More on Patricia King and Extreme Prophetic Ministry

See previous post here: http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/patricia-king-extreme-prophetic-bob-jones-rick-joyner-kansas-city-prophets/

I did more researching and finally managed to find out a bit more about the controversy with Patrica King of Extreme Prophetic and the letter sent out to local church leaders in Phoenix. The information is not at all easy to find on their website, and some of it has only just been posted on there.

Extreme Prophetic: Over the past three years, several leaders in the prophetic and apostolic community have publicly shared concerns about Extreme Prophetic’s Glory School and about our beliefs and teachings regarding the Third Heaven….As some of you know, we submitted the Glory School to an intensive theological audit by Dr. Alistair Petrie. The Glory School and Third Heaven teachings passed the theological review.

Me: The ‘intensive theological audit’ consists of just one person – not two or three. ‘Let any matter be established by two or three witnesses’. Furthermore, Dr Alistair Petrie is far from being an outsider or neutral. He has known Patricia King aka Pat Coking since at least 2002, as Extreme Prophetic’s website carries one of his prophecies from that date where he was at a conference with her and other Elijah List favourites. Dr Alistair Petrie of Partnership Ministries, endorsed by C. Peter Wagner and Cindy Jacobs, is part of C Peter Wagner’s neo-gnostic network ’round table’ of apostles and prophets. He is an elder, answering to such heretics as C Peter Wagner, Bill Hamon and Chuck Pierce. He is a dominionist aka transformationist into ‘cleansing, preparing and healing the land’ with an unbiblical bent on spiritual warfare. He is very much Latter Rain influenced. His theological audit’s endorsement of King’s ministry is therefore troubling in itself. Anybody directly connected to Wagner and his round table is extremely worrying as per my previous posts.

Extreme Prophetic: Following the meeting, Peter Wagner, who oversaw the meeting, issued a public letter stating that none of Patricia’s or Extreme Prophetic’s theology or doctrines were in error.

Me: C Peter Wagner, the self proclaimed head apostle of the new world church of false prophets says Patricia King is Ok does he? Ah, that puts my mind at rest then!

Extreme Prophetic: In 2003, Patricia King was questioned/challenged by a few leaders in the Body regarding her Glory School teaching and in particular the aspects of Third Heaven, terminology, and experience. At that time she had a theological review done by Dr. Alistair Petrie and her teachings passed the theological audit. In 2005, some concerns in the Phoenix area were made known publicly by a respected prophetic network in the region. The network never dialogued with Patricia in regards to these concerns, never allowed her the opportunity to clear up hearsay, never returned phone calls or emails from Patricia requesting a meeting to address their issues and talk it through; they simply issued a warning letter via email to their entire network of pastors. This letter was then forwarded to many and the ripple effect has spread to enormous levels of exaggeration and unwarranted concern. In the letter, they stated, “there remains a residue of the New Age in her ministry that can be spiritually misleading and therefore potentially dangerous.” As a result, there are rumors spreading that Patricia is operating in witchcraft, new age spirits, and is influenced by regional principalities of witchcraft.

Me: I have not seen this letter so cannot endorse its contents or comment on the way it was handled as I do not have the full facts to hand, neither do I know which particular Phoenix based prophetic ministry sent it out. However, regardless of this, there are serious concerns I have about Patricia King and her associates – the prophetic knights of the round table – and the church definitely needs to be warned about them. The church must be warned as they are so dangerous. (As an aside, I have noticed that the Phoenix area in particular seems to attract a lot of new wave prophecy people. It seems to be a ‘hot spot’. I wonder if this is because of the occultic illuminati symbolism of the Phoenix arising from the ashes.)

Patrica, before becoming a Christian, by her own admission was involved in the New Age and Occult communities. She claims, ‘When you come out of the false, there is nothing in it to entice you.’ This is not at all true about the spiritual nature of deception and is rather a naive and possibly elitist view. (‘I am above being decieved’). Satan is far smarter than Patricia gives him credit for and deception can be very subtle and seductive.

The Book of Enoch, which was recognised by several of the apostles (eg Peter) as they directly quote from it in their letters, show what happens when humans hobnob with angels/spirits too much, as in the days of Noah before the great flood. These were God’s beautiful and mighty and intelligent and awesome angels, yet they led mankind astray into all kinds of wickedness. They had sex with the women and begat children from them giving birth to the nephilim race, and they taught humans all sorts of knowledge - which although acknowledged as being ‘true’ knowledge was nonetheless forbidden by God. The people probably thought they were learning things of heaven – as the angels were from heaven and were beautiful – when in fact, they were learning things from hell.

In these Last Days, humans are doing the same thing as in the days of Noah, even within the church. They are biting into the forbidden and hidden – that is ‘occultic’ – knowledge and realms. I do not care if their experience or revelation bears the name of Jesus Christ on it or not, it is still forbidden, and it is still ‘occultic’, just as there are numerous superstitions, charms and spells with the name of Jesus on them that are still occultic in their origin and should be avoided as they are forbidden by God and are not Christian.

The early church gnostics had the name of Jesus written all over them and their experiences but they were still wrong, they were sinning and undiscerning and they were led into serious error. The knights templars and other mystics also acknowledged the name of Jesus (albeit another Jesus) – they added however a holy grail and other mystical occultic stuff to their quests. The ‘holy grail’ to the new wave church seems to me to be new revelation obtained in the third heaven – obtained through occultic practices. The new wave church is becoming more and more occultic. As well as the apostolic-prophetic stuff, Tony Campolo is coming out with ideas of winning souls by sending messages to the lost via a form of telepathy akin to witchcraft.

Occultic stuff does not have to bear the name of foreign gods, new age tags or Satan to be occultic. You can have God’s people ‘innocently’ biting into the hidden forbidden – Adam and Eve did, and you can be sure they thought they were getting a taste of heaven and not hell! The rise of bridal mysticism could also lead to sexual encounters with spirits (as in the days of Enoch) when taken to extremes, as I am already hearing worrying things about ‘feeling the kisses of his mouth’ and going into the king’s bed chambers for intimacy with God, and men and women claiming they are feeling things they should absolutely not in these times. It is mysticism gone way too far.

The recieving of ‘hidden’ mystical knowledge from angels/spirits is no better or more godly in these days than in the days of Enoch or in Eden! It is still wrong. It is still satanic-inspired! (NB, I believe angels can appear and give godly messages with no occultic influence. However, I do not acknowledge this experience should be actively sought by a Christian, and if it does happen, the angels/spirits must be tested. Man should never ‘pray’ to angels, yet many in the new wave church are, as well as conversing with demons.) Like I said, I do not care if it has the name of Jesus attached to it or not, it can be still wrong.

Adam, with Eve, was seduced by the serpent (an ancient symbol of wisdom) by eating of the tree of knowledge in Eden with the tempting notion they would then be ‘as God’ in their spiritual knowledge. (Some traditions hold that Eve had sex with the serpent too, which bearing in mind the Book of Enoch’s revelations about ‘the daughters of Eve’ having sex with angelic beings may not be as crazy as it first sounds.) Now with new wave ‘third heaven’ experiences or angelic encounters, the new church attempts to be in the same way ‘omniscient’ and ‘as god’.

The prophetic has gone beyond its God-given bounds. It is one thing to talk with God and walk with Him, and have him share his words and heart with us so that He may be our God and lead us as His people, the people being completely humble and dependant on Him for everything – in Him we live and move and have our being. It is quite another to have ‘divinatory’ knowledge for self-empowerment and to become as infallible and invulnerable ‘gods’ – which is exactly what the Latter Rain movement aspire to. The sign of the serpent is clearly in their midst. (As to third heaven experiences, yes they are Biblical, Paul and John and others had them and I do not see a reason why they cannot happen today, BUT I do not believe they resemble what Patricia King and her associates teach, neither do I believe they are common place.) It all comes down to a rebellious and disobedient church with itchy ears not interested in the truth.

I was reading just last night of the prophet Micaiah’s confrontation with the evil King Ahab. (1 Kings 22) This passage is fascinating. It says that God purposely sent a lying spirit to communicate a false message to the king through the king’s prophets, in order that Ahab might be deceived and ultimately be killed in battle. Ahab was awaiting God’s delayed punishment for his treatment of Naboth in the vineyard episode, and so this is one of the reasons God made it happen. However, also Ahab complained that the one godly prophet on his ’staff’, Micaiah, never said anything good about him (as no godly prophet could – Ahab was evil!). Ahab only wanted to hear good stuff – which would be, by default, lies in his case – from the false prophets and so God let him hear what he wanted to hear. And so with many in the church today.

Much of the modern church is heartless, rebellious and disobedient: rather than wanting to hear about repentance leading to righteousness and true discipleship and obedience, and a preparation for tribulation, the modern church wants to hear only the good: blessing, prosperity, anointing, power, signs and wonders and revival and overcoming. They therefore, consciously or not, willingly deceive themselves as they are not ‘lovers of the truth’. The truth is hard. Conviction -ugh! Anointing – yee hah!!!

The emerging church ‘gospel’ proclaims a Jesus without repentance, a type of godliness dependant on worship and anointing, and signs and wonders and revival without anything ‘hard’ like conviction and repentance coming first. I note that Patricia King’s statement of faith is very much based on experience and signs and wonders with pages dedicated to this yet absolutely nothing on godly living or true holiness and sanctification. She says: ‘I believe that an individual is saved by personally accepting Jesus as their Savior and Lord. This results in the experience of being “born again” and grants access into the Kingdom of God.’ She does not mention the key words – ‘repentance’ or ‘righteousness’ – anywhere in her lengthy doctrinal statement. It is a very worrying omission.

The Apostle Paul tells us that God will send ’strong delusion’ in the Last Days because people will no longer love the truth – they actually want to be deceived so God gives them what they want in their heart of hearts. ‘Rahab’, who I had a ‘debate’ with in the previous post on Patricia King, is a typical example of someone who does not love the truth. ‘La, la, la, I am not listening!’ so God will give her and others like her over to this delusion.

‘The coming of the lawless one (the antichrist) will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter. ‘ (2 Thessalonians 2:9-15)*

The protection against believing this delusion is making sure one is a lover of the truth – are you a lover of the truth? – and standing firm on the teachings of the early church’s apostles such as Paul – that is the written word of God which takes precedence over any so called ‘rhema’ or ‘revelation’.

Patricia King’s way of discerning things is very telling.

Extreme Prophetic: ….However, in order to honor the concerns of those who would bring up the possibility of my being influenced by demonic forces, I have submitted myself to (8) people (seers/discerners/intercessors) I trust, to have them pray for discernment. I asked them to break the power of any demonic influence or stronghold in my life if they discerned anything. Following their time of prayer, none of them discerned any witchcraft or occult influences or spirits in me or through me although a couple of them believed that I was being assaulted by some principality forces that were using others to falsely accuse me.

and…’According to rumors, some believers felt they had discerned Patricia was operating under spirits of witchcraft or the new age and in some cases felt that principalities were channeling through her. As a result, she insisted on submitting herself to discerners in the Body. She wanted to be clean of anything that was ungodly. We chose discerners who we trust. Some knew her and some did not know her well. After seeking the Lord for insight and discernment, all reported that they did not discern any demonic activity in or through her whatsoever.’

I note that these people did not test and weigh up her practices and words against the word of God. They trusted in their neo-revelation and spiritual warfare. Note these people are linked to her – in the same gnostic camp – and also note that King again says if they ‘discerned’ anything this way they should ‘break anything over her’ through spiritual warfare – not bring it to her attention, so she may change her mind and lead her to repentance and correction. It is all gnostic.

>believed that I was being assaulted by some principality forces that were using others to falsely accuse me.

I cannot see anyone ‘falsely’ accusing her. The church has a perfect right to have concern over her and her ministry and to question it.

I further have doubts about her discernment. Quoting Patricia -

I remember the first time I roared in 1995. I had heard about the roarings and I was troubled by it. Charlie Robinson was over at our place as he had just returned with our team from a cross Canada tour. He shared that he had “roared” when he was in Toronto. I was concerned but decided to hear him share. He showed me scriptures and shared testimony. Suddenly, I received an urge to get down on all fours…..it was not a sovereign power that came on me just a stirring in my spirit. I resisted it at first and then I felt I should obey the “nudge”…as soon as I got down on all fours the power of the Spirit came on me and oh my goodness…things really moved then with full roarings and everything. I had to step into it first by faith though…following through on the simple, quiet, nudging of the Holy Spirit. Since that time, I have been in prayer meetings and the Holy Spirit has led me to move into groanings and roarings. I did not feel naturally inclined but moved into it by obedience….after the choice to obey then we experienced great anointing.

>Over a number of years (since 1994) the Lord has revealed to me in diverse ways (…such as ..) trances

I saw visions of the church moving in true supernatural acts. One specific and very vivid open trance vision in February 1995 revealed a corporate group of Christians rising up off the ground during a worship encounter. In the same vision, I also saw Christians being transported in the spirit from one geographical location to another. I saw them soaring in the spirit over cities and nations making decrees of the Word of God in full authority. The voice of the Lord spoke clearly during this encounter saying, “Many of My own people will say these experiences are empowered by occult power but what you see is not fueled by a false source. It is My power being displayed. Many signs and wonders will occur.”

“At that time the sons of God will be fully manifested on the earth. Widespread spiritual warfare will result with the sons of God doing battle with Satan and company, the non-Christian nations of this world will also be defeated. Once the earth has been subdued, Jesus will come back to earth and be given the Kingdom that has been won for Him by this “manchild company.” The Manifested Sons of God doctrine teaches that these sons will be equal to Jesus Christ: immortal, sinless, perfected sons who have partaken of the divine nature. They will have every right to be called gods and will be called gods.” (Bill Hamon).

This is NOT the gospel of God. Steer clear of King and her cronies and sound the alarm.

**(And for those pre-tribbers who believe Christians will be raptured before the tribulation. I’d like to point out verses 1 and 8: ‘Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him…..And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.’  This is entirely in accord with post tribulation doctrine, the antichrist gets destroyed when or just after  Jesus returns. It is when  Jesus returns that he gathers his saints to him: ie the rapture, which takes place right about the time of the destruction of the antichrist. As no great tribulation would occur if there is no antichrist, so the tribulation must have occured before  the return of Jesus and the rapture for this to make sense!)