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Juanita Bynum demonstrates how not to lay on hands

I found this clip of Juanita Bynum back in 1998 at Azusa. While she is not dressed in her special sacred garments which is she is presently so fond of, and there is no mention of money, this is still a disgraceful show, more fitting for a zoo that church. It demonstrates much that is wrong with modern day Pentecostalism. She is laying on her hands in a disorderly fashion, here there and everywhere, and crucially there is no prayer or thought accompaning the laying on of these hands, and all seems to be about her, the minister, and hyping the audience. What a shame.

http://christianitywatch.blogspot.com/2007/10/someone-please-tell-me-what-this-is.html

December 7, 2007 - Posted by endtimespropheticwords | False Prophets and Teachers, Juanita Bynum, signs and wonders | , , , , | 42 Comments

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  1. This is shocking!! I’ve actually never seen this woman before but looking at her face gives me a bad feeling. It’s odd how some people on the stage seem to run away from her when he approaches them like a raging bull. I would run away as well. I pray everyone runs away from her.

    Something that came to me while watching this: I think a lot of people think church is like going to a concert where you get to jump up and down, scream at the top of you voice and they think the show is not over until someone gets knocked over.

    I’ve always believed for exaple that if you were invited to attend a King’s banquet you would behave in a manner fit for a king. This is not fit for a King – but it’s definitely fit for satan.

    Comment by Deborah | December 7, 2007

  2. Jesus, would you come down
    come down
    with a whip
    please shout, please shout
    cast them out
    cast them out

    Somewhere in the book of Jeremiah the Lord is speaking
    DO NOT PRAY FOR THESE PEOPLE
    and in chapter 15 : Even if Moses and Samuel were standing here pleading with me I would not show these people any mercy…
    Jer.3,1-3
    …is there any place,where you have not acted like a prostitute? You waited for lovers along the roadside…you have defiled the land with the prostitution…You even look like aprostitute, you have no shame…

    Comment by arabella | December 8, 2007

  3. hmm that video reminded me of Benny Hinn :S

    Comment by BrwnBeauty | December 10, 2007

  4. Recently, God gave me a vision regarding Juanita Bynum. Children of God- I too jumped on the band wagon of what was happening with this Tel-Evangelist( in a negative way), after the vision given by God, I had to Repent about speaking against those that God has anointed. What I’d like to say to all, Remember David. After all was said, he was still God’s anointed and God said a man after his heart. To all the True Saints of God, Keep Juanita in your prayers and Repent for your sake if you have spoken against authority.

    The Power of The Holyghost is real, and it is very evident, whats taking place at this Conference must be looked upon in the Spirit, not the Flesh because you will miss it.

    In His Service,
    Robin

    Comment by Robin | December 11, 2007

  5. Robin: Juanita Bynum does NOT have authority to falsely prophecy, fleece the flock of their bucks, lie to them and teach heresy or pass on false anointings – and all these she does. It is this I speak up against, and will continue to do so. As for King David he sinned, he knew he sinned, and a prophet rebuked him and he repented.

    There is nothing to repent of for me or anyone else speaking up about Bynum’s continued wrong doing and teaching – NOBODY IS ABOVE CORRECTION – the ones who in fact should repent are the ones who put up with this and/or do not speak up or continually defend this sinful behaviour.

    As to looking upon what happened at the conference, what Bynum is doing is not biblical, do not give me that nonsense about needing to look upon it in the Spirit or I’ll miss it. Rather I suggest you ask God for the gift of discernment and wisdom, and then go watch it with new eyes for what took place there is of the flesh. She lays on hands but there is no prayer accompaining it or even thought. It is hype and mania mixed with a bit of pentecostal hysteria and mesmerism.

    I believe in the power of God. I believe in prophecy. But I also believe in false prophets and false power and false spirits and delusion. Don’t you?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | December 11, 2007

  6. Robin

    Got a question, who said she is God’s anointed? Did she say she was? Did her friends think she was and she agreed? Did some other minister come along and tell her she was and then tell everyone else? Did she dream she is? Did she have a vision she is? Or did you just assume she is because she is on TV and surely God would never put a non-anointed person on His TV program?

    Let’s say she is, then why is she going against the word of God. Let’s say she isn’t, then it’s obvious why she is going against the word of God.

    Now for a great example in the bible Matthew 21:12-13 (this is actually a twofold example: 1) people who make money in the temple and 2) Jesus getting angry.

    12 Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 “It is written,” he said to them, ” ‘My house will be called a house of prayer, ‘but you are making it a ‘den of robbers.’”

    Now Jesus didn’t walk in there and say, ‘Gosh guys, I think you should move your stuff outside” – give them all a hug and tell them how much he loves them. He walked in there, angry and he threw the tables over and rebuked these men for using the temple to collect money and making a mockery of God.

    Now if Jesus got so angry about this issue, who are we to oppose what Jesus did and said that day? By repenting you are siding with those men in the temple. Secondly, where those men in the temple anointed by God? If they were they would not have been doing what they were doing and Jesus would not have done what he did.

    Stop being so fooled by these people, open your eyes. This woman is NOT called by God, because if she were she would NOT be making a mockery of Him by doing what she is doing.

    Break free from this deception, it’s only going to ruin you in the long run. And I am saying this because I can see you have questioned this woman, and the delusion came back to you in the form of a vision telling you, you are wrong and you need to repent. You’re not wrong, she is wrong and she needs to repent and change her ways for the sake of all those who follow her.

    Comment by Deborah | December 12, 2007

  7. Deborah:

    This woman is NOT called by God, because if she were she would NOT be making a mockery of Him by doing what she is doing.

    I actually think she IS called of God but she is not presently walking in the truth and is sinning against God. What she is doing and teaching now is absolutely not of God – she is not walking right. Is she called though to walk in the right paths. Yes undoubtedly but she has free will and can teach abhorent things, lie, delude others and be deluded.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | December 12, 2007

  8. Miriam, thinking about it you maybe be right, but was there ever a time when she was walking in the truth? That video clip in the above post dates back to 1998 already – that’s 10 years ago.

    So you’re saying that she is actually called by God but she was deceived or chose to accept deception somewhere along the way and now continues in this manner.

    Hypothetically, what happens if she was never called by God but by a another spirit instead? This is possible.

    But I will apologise for the sake that I am wrong and agree that yes she is called by God. Because maybe she didn’t start out thinking this way and doing these thing, but got horribly lost in false teachings somewhere and this has developed over time into something even more unsavory.

    Comment by Deborah | December 12, 2007

  9. Wow, wow, all I have to say is that we are all human. The only person who cannot make a mistake is God. We seem in this world to have sat on the seat of God by simply judging other. I do not know why we play God. I do not know who made us judge of who is anointed and who is not. We are not even close to do as Jesus did when He got into that temple. That is His job not ours. If we think someone is not walking right, then we pray but some of us use the bible very interestingly. If we looked at our lives, we are not even close to perfect. Anointed or not, someone is a human being and God taught us to love. How is it that we call ourselves Christians but we are busy tearing ourselves apart. Whether anointed or not, there are comments we should never make about a person because God simply loves them. Pray for one another. Love one another. Give grace to each other. I do believe Juanita is anointed just like many other people are and I can promise you mark my word, if she truly is anointed whether you believe it or not, you are going to sow. I can guarantee it. One way or another you are going to sow. Moses did something wrong when he took an Ethiopian woman but his sister Miriam talked about it. She got purnished and she was sick. It is in the bible. I feel so sorry for some of us and not only sorry scared. I know in my heart that we are not doing what is right by judging who has been called. And for you who does not believe that she is walking the right way, how would you know. You talk like you spend every minute with this lady. Like you absolutely know her. My advice, let us all look at our live. Woe unto us if God was to show our skeletons that are hidden from our past to our present. Then one would not be able to stand and say anything about anyone. God bless you and may He guide you so much. May we learn to spend more time knowing how God wants us to walk. Read the bible, and look at your life and if you are perfect, may you cast the first stone.

    Comment by Grace | December 12, 2007

  10. Grace: ah, so we cannot judge, but you can judge me for speaking up about heresy and apostasy?!!! If you want to rebuke someone then at least do it based on truth rather than your own corrupted ‘anointed version’. And then you threaten me with ’sowing’ something horrible because I do as the Bible commands which is to speak up about heresy and sin – which you would know is the right thing to do if you loved the word of God more than your cherished leaders. You people would shout down Jesus, honestly, you do not know what is righteous any more, far less anointed. You do not know the Bible very well at all do you? Miriam was struck with leprosy because she coveted what Moses had, because she thought she could self appoint herself and usurp Moses’s unique God-appointed prophetic position, not because she spoke up about any ’sin’.

    Are pentecostals really so ignorant these days in your quarters? No wonder people like Bynum gets away with murder! You let them!

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | December 12, 2007

  11. Deborah, there is no need to apologise, you are free to have your own opinion.

    I know God gave me a vision of her some months ago and showed me that once (when, exactly, I do not know) she did know how to listen to Him genuinely. I was surprised at this, but hey, all people can sin and go astray and get very greedy. See here http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/09/01/a-prophecy-for-prophetess-juanita-bynum-weeks/

    It does not necessarily mean she was ever theologically perfect then, but it means once she knew God and knew how to hear his voice – and was a lot more genuine. There is a genuine Spirit in there under all the rubbish which she has ignored and pushed aside for years, and I think a genuine prophetic gift also – but she has not spoken for God for years, only herself and only prophesied lies and taught vile teachings. This is what the Lord says about her.

    There is a lot of false things presently there in her and coming out of her too, and in this scenario it is possible for true and false to co-exist. She could have a calling to be a true prophet but because she does not walk in it and obey it and lies instead for money etc – a spiritual whore – she becomes thus a false prophet instead.

    I do not for one moment condone her, and I do not want people to think that because I believe God has said she did once have a genuine ear that I say her present teachings or prophecies are Ok and from God, for they are very clearly not and God say this most clearly. The woman is abhorent and God says what she spits out is ‘vile’ and it chokes the flock. However, if she properly repents then God will restore her, and we can then back her and say she genuninely ’speaks for God’. Until that time though where she publically repents for false teaching and false prophesying, have nothing more to do with her.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | December 12, 2007

  12. Grace: Your ’silence is golden’ approach can be deadly. Did you know that? When there is sin and apostasy running amock in the churches, it is folks like you that will gladly look the other way while it is tearing and rending the flock limb from limb. I should know, I’ve had a wolf or two sink their fangs & claws into me. And sisters like you chimed in with their ‘touch not my annointed’ schpiel and enabled these horrorshows to stay in business. And more young people went on to recieve their abuse and destructive teachings, which is akin to spiritual slaughter. I have recovered and gone on. None of the others have.

    So while protecting ‘The Annointed One’, when comes the outcry for the littles ones stumbled? Why do you not use your voice to speak up for the power-less, just to defend the power-ful?? Does not the plight of a poor single mother in some inner city whom Juanita Bynum commanded to send in her last 5 dollars to ‘change her situation’ only to be evicted and subsequetly worse off than before move you? Or do you just get nervous and cry out when your latest Christian Idol is exposed?
    I read this saying once: “The lowest part of hell is reserved for those who in the midst of a moral crisis…do nothing.”
    Now this isn’t a Biblical verse, but it is a scathing indictment of those who would willingly prop up wrong-doing.
    Think about it.
    JJ

    Comment by JJ | December 12, 2007

  13. We all have our own understanding of the bible. I know when I read numbers 12:1-12 the first sentence says that they start talking against Moses for he had married a cushite. Anyway, it is not about who knows the bible or who does not know the bible because none of us can claim to know the bible better than the other. God reveals things differently and there might be two messages in one verse or even chapter or even section. For someone who felt I judged them, I deeply apologise. I obviously as you have stated do not know the bible very well because not one of us knows the bible well enough. We are all learning. I have seen men of God fall and I have learnt one thing, pray for them so I do not really cherish leaders more than I do God. I am not a pentecostal or of any other religion because I have learnt not to bother myself about religion but God. God has taught me that He loves everyone of us not matter what. There is nothing wrong with talking against sin. As a matter of fact, it is important as it is in the bible. It is the way we address it that matters. Jesus knew Judas was going to betray him, however, he still treated Him with alot of love. Paul was persecuting Christians but Jesus had alot of grace and he wrote many books in the new testament. David sinned but God still called him a man after God’s own heart. Samson, anointed to be a leader did not live right but God still forgave him. I have personally gone through alot with leadership in church because I believed that would be the only place I would never be put down and I would be loved so but I was naive then. I have come to realize that we who are in the church are human beings too and we have our own issues that God is dealing with. But my whole thing is edification of the church. Building up one another in love. The word of love is used for rebuking, correction, encouraging etc. When one of us is falling, let us raise them up in prayer. I wish I could find a blog where we would be raising up people in prayer and commiting them to God. That is what I would like.

    Comment by Grace | December 13, 2007

  14. I meant the word of GOd is used for rebuking, corretion, encouragement etc.

    Comment by Grace | December 13, 2007

  15. Have a great day and I pray that we all can have even a deeper understanding of the word of God from the Father so that we will live lives that worthy to be called His followers. My prayer is found in Phillipians 1:8-11 9And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, 10 so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless until the day of Christ, 11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God.

    Comment by Grace | December 13, 2007

  16. That is true, I am free to my own opinion, however I can’t make a statement like that by just presuming – I presumed she was always like this. In fact when I was writing that particular sentence a little voice popped into my head and asked me ‘is that true?’ but yet I continued to say it never the less. I should have heeded to the Holy Spirit’s voice, but I didn’t. I have to learn to listen, it’s one of my little downfalls. I sometimes have ‘chronic jumping to conclusion’s syndrome’

    Comment by Deborah | December 13, 2007

  17. Grace:

    >Paul was persecuting Christians but Jesus had alot of grace and he wrote many books in the new testament

    But the thing is that is was what he WAS before he found Christ and was forgiven! He did not carry on persecuting them while writing the New Testament (or is that what you think?) He also spoke up about the same people like he once was and spoke very strong words about them. Strong words can be loving, can be right – do you not know this? Read some of the things Jesus said about the pharisees being a den of vipers, and the account of him turning over the tables in the temple. He did not just smile sweetly and give them all a hug but he had more love than you or I would ever have. That’s what I meant about you and others like you would reject Christ today if he walked into your churches and rebuked your behaviour or teaching, as you surely reject his word when you rebuke me and others like me for standing up for truth. You do not recognise this behaviour as Biblical because of bad teaching you have had from wolves, lack of personal knowledge of the word or God and his ways. Have you even read the Old Testament prophets? They are extremely critical!

    >it is not about who knows the bible or who does not know the bible because none of us can claim to know the bible better than the other

    Yes of course someone can claim they know the Bible better than another person if it is the truth in that instance! It is not about bragging or one-upmanship but about truth. Even the apostles ‘judged’ and said similar about other Christians only knowing the milk of the word when they should know it much better and be onto the meat. If someone is ignorant of what is written and/or speaks nonsense, it is perfectly right to say they contradict the Bible and/or do not know it, if they think this is what Christianity honestly is.

    If someone told me that William Shakespeare wrote ‘Paradise Lost’, I would be right to say they do know English Literature very well, if someone told me that Sir Isaac Newton invented the DVD player I’d say they did not know science or history very well – but I am not allowed to say the same when someone poorly asserts what is in, or not in, the Bible? I would not be either arrogant or mocking or saying I know it all by saying someone was wrong in these instances, it is a question of truth! How ridiculous it would be for that person to ignorantly assert that everyone can find their own way and own interpretation about Newton and Shakespeare and everyone is correct and they should not be told they are wrong when they clearly are. We should all love each regardless of error? Can you see this happening in schools and universities so truth just become relative and everyone is ignorant yet everyone is also right? Yet people claim we can do this for the Bible and also religion? Yeah right!

    You have ignored multitudes of scriptures about standing up for truth, rebuking false teachers and so on. You are also apparently ignorant that Christians are ALL anointed, not just leaders. By the way, the apostle John in 1 John says the true anointing will lead us not to sin and into truth, and away from wordliness and materialism, how do you read that when your highly anointed one Bynum intentionally lies and decieves and loves the things of this world very much (see the post about Bynum talking about a 5 thousand dollar pen for example)? John would say that this is obviously false anointing of an antichrist spirit. Can you not see this – really? Is the church so blind today?

    Also, you keep going on about love, as if my criticism is unloving. On what basis do you base that, apart from the fact you are a Bynum fan and do not like what I say about her? Where is your evidence I do not love Bynum? I hate her behaviour and her teaching, but I do not hate her. And like JJ said, what also about the thousands of others Juanita Bynum leads astray and robs. Don’t you love them? Shouldn’t we love them by leading them from the savage wolves? That is surely the loving thing to do, right?!

    Ah but the wolves are anointed! Yeah right.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | December 13, 2007

  18. My message is still clear. Pray, love. Thats it. Again, one can take a sentence and understand it very differently from another. That is life and that is the way it is. Not everything is truth but people interpret it differently. The words one uses or however it is they say speaks alot. We know that Jesus called them brood of vipers but we also know that God is love. Comparing what Jesus did and how we do it are two different things. Anyway, I do not want to take line after line trying to break it down because then I will get into a discussion that will involve doctines and whatever else. Just the way I do not know anyone’s background who has written, the same way, no one knows mine. And by the way, talking about love, endtimepropheticwords, it was not your comment that made me write about it. Not at all so I did just want to clarify. Another thing I wanna clarify, I am not a fan of Juanita. I do not even have a book nor a cd, nor a tape of her. I just have heard her a couple of times and thats it. Anyway, I am done. This comments do not edify me and we will go back and forth because I do believe you have taken it to be on a personal not. All I can wish you is God’s blessings in your life and continue to work out your salvation in fear and trembling because all these things shall pass away but the word of God will prevail and also when we stand in judgement before God, I do not want to be asked why I wrote something on a blog that I should not have. May God continually grant everybody peace that surpasses human understanding. And I thank God for Paul because he suffered persecution for the sake of Christ after Jesus appeared to him on the road to Damascus so I know he did not continue persecuting anyone after that. Have a great and blessed week, month, life. May God continue to show you the tools that you need to use in order to continue to live life to the fullest. May he allow you to see all His Glory. May nothing come you way that is going to stop you from laboring for His sake. May we glorify God in everything we say or do. May we be built in the most Holy faith and most of all may we love God will all our hearts, minds and souls. May He countinue to fight our battles because they are His. May we be filled with His beauty and may we always know how He wants us to conduct ourselves. Amen.

    Comment by Grace | December 13, 2007

  19. Here’s a nice example (me and my examples ;) ) of rebuking someone and loving someone at the same time, and see it goes hand in hand.

    You’re kid just won’t listen to you, you tell him he is doing wrong and if they do it again you are going to spank them. So they do it again. And you spank them. Why did you spank them? Because you love them, trying to teach them the difference between right and wrong and raise them up to be decent adults one day.

    If you left this child to his own devices the chances he would have seriously hurt someone the next time round playing his little games were good. So in order to stop this from happening again he needed to hear loud and clear that what he is doing is wrong. The kid cries, and says “I sorry, I won’t do it again”

    Proverbs 13:24
    24 He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.

    Can you now clearly see the difference between:

    “Rebuking someone because we love them and showing them what they are doing is wrong so they can change their ways and repent. In turn saving their followers from deception”
    vs.
    “Keeping quiet and loving everyone. But in the meanwhile they’ve gotten totally out of control and in the end they will destroy themselves and bring their followers down with them”

    Comment by Deborah | December 13, 2007

  20. Grace:

    You are being hypocritical not to mention contradictory. In your final ‘benediction’ you say you wish us to walk in God’s paths, do what is right etc etc, yet when told what God actually wants, indeed commands, you do not want to know or do it claiming the discussion is not ‘edifying’. Why? (Because you do not want to be wrong? Don’t you love truth over saving face?) There are numerous sentences in the Bible that cannot be read any differantly, even by someone who does not know much at all about anything, about standing up for truth, rebuking falsehood etc.etc. This is clear cut and is NOT a grey area Christians can agree to disagree on. If you want to disagree with me, go ahead, but do not then claim to be a true follower of Christ or a true Christian for you are not. The Bible says not revering and ignoring scripture makes you a disobedient heretic or apostate.

    You seem to be a buffet ‘Christian’ taking and leaving what you want from the Bible, ignoring the parts you don’t like, following your ‘heart’ instead of the word which the Bible says is decietful above all things. ‘I know in my heart that we are not doing what is right by judging who has been called.’ Yet your heart contradicts scripture, you do too. Yet you rather dismissively do not think it matters. Why, do you not love the truth? And do you not know to test those who are called or those who claim to be? Why did Paul rebuke the Corinthian church? They accepted the so-called slick apostate ’super apostles’ without questioning their calling or teaching! Don’t take things at face value or by what your heart says. Be a noble minded Berean and search the word of God, and test and weigh the spirits and teachings by the word of God. Then you will please God.

    And do you not realise that what I said applied to Juanita Bynum applies to you also – if your ‘anointing’ leads you to believe unbiblical notions or to not love and revere the word etc it is antichrist. If your ‘love’ does not cause you to test and weigh false spirits and teachers and get rid of them, then ditto. Ah but that is not edifying for me to say this? Tis true though, the apostle John testifies as do a myriad of witnesses with me – and if this inconvenient truth saves you and/or others from hell, then all the better for me to say it.

    Stop ‘playing’ at Christianity! Stop following a God of your heart’s own making – that makes Him an idol! If you love God then obey his word on these points even if your heart does not like it! If you are going to be a Christian then for God’s sake (and the church’s) be one! And stop trying to silence God’s obedient servants by lying to them with a theology of your own making (for it is not God’s) and threaten them they will sow sickness or worse because of speaking up. You speak for Satan, do you not know this? The Lord rebuke you, Satan! Grace, if you want to be an apostate and/or a coward go be one, but don’t lead others astray with you. You say you not want to get into ‘doctrine’, but the unbiblical doctrine of your own making is there nonetheless and leads many other people miles off course with you. Wake up! Wake up to your peril! Love God and obey Him! Uphold his word! Uphold truth!

    If all we should do is ‘love’ and ‘pray’ then the Christians would not have been persecuted so much in the early church, nor would they be now in many parts of the world. What did men lay their lives down? Love or TRUTH? They confronted falsehood and spoke boldly. But you are willing to throw their sacrifice away to mean nothing – everything goes it seems with no rebuke, when do we speak up about anything? Your message just to ‘love and pray and that is it’, is corrupted and antichrist. The protestant martyrs would not have been burnt at the stake if all they did is loved and prayed by your definition. They spoke up about Roman Catholic heresy too! (But how judgemental and foolish they were! They could have saved themselves from martyrdom by just loving and praying for the Catholic Church. After all, by your reckoning, who are we to judge heresy?)

    But you are willing to throw the truth part out of ‘The way, the truth and the life’ - why because you not like it? Is truth relative or universal? So all religions can lead to God now as well? Does anything go. At one point does a Christian speak up – never?

    You want to ‘love’ and ‘pray’, but do not seem to really care about truth or upholding it, neither do you seem to know it. The apostle John says true love is active anyway and is obedient to God and serves others. It speaks up for truth. Love is not just a charismatic group hug being at peace with the world by never rocking the boat. If you genuinely know God, then go read the book of Titus and Jude – they are only one page each or so and then talk to God on these things. Ask him about the things ‘you know in your heart’. You may well be surprised. But any answer must be undergirded by scripture.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | December 13, 2007

  21. Grace said: “I have personally gone through alot with leadership in church because I believed that would be the only place I would never be put down and I would be loved so but I was naive then.” (Post 13)

    Grace, shame on them. Someone should have had enough Christian character to speak up for YOU!

    If someone had put those leaders in check (who were themselves probably being unloving) then maybe they would have felt convicted, repented, changed their approach and started treating people properly by the time you came along.

    Would this have been better for you as a Christian just trying to go to church and fellowship? I’ll bet so.

    See, this is why speaking up is so important.
    Thankfully you’ve chosen to go on with the Lord. I’ll also bet that others folks whom the leaders mistreated have dropped away from the faith completely (don’t tell me you were the only one who was a recipient of their ire!)

    What of the ones who fell away never to seek Jesus again?

    You can speak up too, Grace and still be loving and prayerful. And if you personally know how damaging and hurtful it is to be rejected and accused by so-called Christian leaders- speak up when it happens to someone else.

    Your silence screams agreement.

    JJ

    Comment by JJ | December 14, 2007

  22. I have read all the stuff that is up there. It is so funny how we get into heated discussion about outdated stuff. Now I wanna know who Juanita is, I am sure she has a testimony, then I will get to understand her. I just saw someone rebuke Satan. If I am not mistaken, Jude, even the archangel Michael could not rebuke Satan. He said the “the Lord rebuke thee”. I saw someone else say give an example of spare the rod spoil the child. This is my opinion, I would think that would apply if you are talking to the person who you are rebuking. What I get from this blog is not really rebuking someone but shredding and trashing them. I do not get it. If you took your child and instead of beating him you went around to the neighbours house talking about him and how bad he is, then how would that solve anything. I think it is important to rebuke but you tell the person and not other people about the person. Then you are not rebuking. Can you imagine if Paul told the Ephesians ” People do not be like the Foolish Galatians who do ABC and DEF, I wonder if that book would have been cannonized. endtimespropheticwords, not sure who you are, never want to know you or be associated with you because you just absolutely put me off. From you comments, it feels like you are so angry. I am so put off to point of being disappointed. The word said go ye into the world. The bible never says trash your sister or brother. Your truth is not necessarily everybodys truth. And again, I wanna know who Juanita is because if she were to start a blog about you, then I would really wonder about her. I am gonna do like Grace did. Ciao. This blog does not glorify my Father in heaven. No way. Not by the little comments I have read. I wonder why? Bye

    Comment by Paul | December 14, 2007

  23. Paul:

    >It is so funny how we get into heated discussion about outdated stuff.

    This is not at all ‘outdated’ stuff. Though the video is now almost 10 years old, the activity on it still continues today in the modern church and Juanita Bynum is a huge name in ‘Christian’ circles – even bigger than she was then – and far worse in her theology and activity.

    >I just saw someone rebuke Satan.

    No you did not. The comment said, ‘…You speak for Satan, do you not know this? The Lord rebuke you, Satan!’ If you misread this and twist it so badly to claim I said something I did not, then what else do you misunderstand about what I said that I did not actually say?

    >What I get from this blog is not really rebuking someone but shredding and trashing them.

    Not true. You have a poor understanding of what correction or rebuking is, or even standing up for truth to say this. The fact is you do not like WHAT I say, not so much how I say it.

    > I think it is important to rebuke but you tell the person and not other people about the person.

    In some cases, when someone sins privately against you this is the right course. However when a teacher/prophet like Bynum is in the PUBLIC domain, and sins in the public domain, they ought to be rebuked and shown up in a public domain. This is scriptural. We do not this not so much for Bynum’s sake but for the millions she potentially leads astray and robs, and the apostles command us to do it to maintain fear of God etc.

    As to trashing any sister, I have not. I have never trashed anyone. I will speak up for truth and if someone sins I will call it sin, and if they claim error is biblical truth then likewise I will say it is not. This is completely differant to trashing anybody.

    Can you imagine if Paul told the Ephesians ” People do not be like the Foolish Galatians who do ABC and DEF,

    Don’t you know these letters were circulated around the churches?

    >Your truth is not necessarily everybodys truth

    Ah yet again truth is relative and not universal! Truth is absolute and not relative on many matters. If you want to believe otherwise then go do that and believe anything you like but don’t think you can invent truth or even decide it for yourself. Look, Paul you can believe anything you like, and decide ‘truth’ for yourself (while it may not be actual truth), but do not claim to be a Bible believing Christian if you contradict the Bible for you are not – that is ALL I am saying. Nobody would have a go at me if I told somebody they were wrong saying Isaac Newton invented the DVD, or Shakespeare wrote Paradise Lost so why I am suddenly the big bad wolf and ‘trashing people’ because I say people like Grace have a very poor understanding of the Bible and ignoring whole parts of it? Truth is truth. We are talking about what is and is not in the Bible, what is clearly written and in the public domain, not some obscure matter that cannot be searched out. There are some grey areas Christians can agree to disagree on, but not certain matters like rebuking false teachers. Have you even read Jude or Titus? These things are in the BIBLE in plain sight of all who will look!

    >This blog does not glorify my Father in heaven.

    And your father is who exactly? The father of lies? For there is only one who contradicts the word of God and does not want lies stood against? ‘Christians’ like you, Paul, do the devil’s work for him. I am not trashing you or shredding you, but I speak the truth when I say it. I say it to try and waken you up to reality and the truth. It is for ultimate upbuilding which you would know if you loved the word of God over your own relative truthisms. I say it again, people like you would throw stones at Jesus in these times.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | December 14, 2007

  24. so since according to you, Grace does not know the bible very well, the only way to show that she is blind is by telling her and I quote “You seem to be a buffet ‘Christian’ ” You are being hypocritical” “Stop ‘playing’ at Christianity! Stop following a God of your heart’s own making – that makes Him an idol! If you love God then obey his word on these points even if your heart does not like it! If you are going to be a Christian then for God’s sake (and the church’s) be one! ”
    This is my best “You speak for Satan, do you not know this? The Lord rebuke you, Satan!” If you were trying to win this person to see the truth, would you do it this way? That is why I said again, there is no way I would want to get involved with you because you do not know whether this person God saved yesterday, two weeks ago yet you use heavy words on her. You do not know anything about her. absolutely nothing. I will ask you, don’t you see something is wrong with that. I am also glad you are trying to open my eyes since I must be so blinded. Again, your err, you do not know me. You do not know whether I am saved or not. You do not know whether I go to church or not. You do not know whether I am just here so as to say how Christians are so messed up. You do not know anything about me. If you wanted to say something about Juanita, then you should have said she did this and that and stick to that. For example, this is what she is doing. The bible says, … however you look like you have gone out of the topic that is suppossed to show the lady Juanita as a “false Prophet”. That is it. This is my last comment. I do not intend to go back and forth because we will both be “trying to open each others eyes”.

    Comment by Paul | December 15, 2007

  25. As I have said, God has given me a vision,I have repented for speaking against Juanita Bynum, and that will not change. Should David have not repented for touching Saul. You do remember Saul.

    And NO, noone is above correction not even you. Has God sent you to correct Juanita Bynum?, have you had the opportunity to speak with her and outright rebuke her.

    I am telling you, I have repented, And I will say it again it will not change. You want to persecute me now, because I have said, Pray for her. Pray for her. Pray for her, Saints of God until The Almighty God, tells you she is above reproach.

    Were you in the room last night with Bynum?, Do you know what God speaks to her about? Maybe she repented last night for what’s going on in her life? She could have. Maybe when she gets the wake up call to Repent and Turn from the wickedness, You will still be stuck on the same page. Continue with the clips you show in love and oh yeah, rebuke. Because it is obvious, The gift of the Prophetic is only operating in your life, Right!

    P.s. And if I am not mistakin, you prophesied previously, that she was going to get in a car accident, get hurt but God was going to move in a mighty way in her life again. She is going to have a limp when she walks, you also said, something about her in Africa.(I viewed the prophecy on the previous page)

    It appears God has shown you a piece of a final outcome.

    I guess we should continue to crucify her, huh Prophetess until God moves. Oh I forget, God has called you to openly rebuke her. Is that what you are really doing?

    In love, consider repentance. I know controversy and clips like the Juanita Bynum and others gets you more hits. You know, Really- I have yet to see you discuss some of the Generals you listen to preach the Gospel. The Word of God.

    In His Service,
    Sister Robin Harris- Martin

    Comment by Sister Robin | December 15, 2007

  26. Sister Robin:

    >You do remember Saul.

    There is a huge differance between touching (in order to physically harm) and to SPEAK against something a person does in order to ultimately encourage and build up the church and also to warn the flock about savage wolves in their midst. David respected Saul’s kingship and refused to physically harm him, but he still spoke up about Saul being wrong.

    >And NO, no-one is above correction not even you.

    If I have errred then I will be corrected by anyone, beggar, prophet or king. For the record, I have never said I am above correction.

    However, if you then say nobody is above correction, pointedly nodding at me, then why do you then complain when I speak up about what Bynum does which is obviously unscriptural but nothing I have said so far is? If you say you must repent for rebuking or speaking up about one of God’s anointed, then why not repent for what you have said about me, for I am (just as all God’s true servants) are his anointed? (Not that this is what I ask of you, I just go by your logic).

    >Has God sent you to correct Juanita Bynum?

    What Juanita Bynum does and teaches is obviously wrong, and I have previously said it does not take a prophet to see and say she is unscriptural and sinning. However, God has specifically spoken to me and I have passed on the message about her and some other false wolves to the church. (I have also tried to personally contact her with the vision I had). Even if God had not given me the specific vision/s, there are the numerous general instructions from scripture re rebuking falseness and heresy that I am obeying by speaking out. One has to ask any Christian, with the scriptural commands in mind, has God uniquely sent them not to speak up about heresy and wolves? And if so how and why are you unique to every other Christian that has ever lived? If you see someone robbing another person, do you let them carry on unhindered? Should not yell out ‘thief! robber!’ and at least try and warn? Does the watchman not then become just as culpable if he lets a wolf savage the lambs without shouting out a warning? The watchman claiming he just prayed for the wolf to repent would be really ridiculous! What of the lambs? He must surely do both!

    >You want to persecute me now, because I have said, Pray for her

    I am not persecuting you! There is not even a hint of that in what I said to you in reply number 5 here! I agree we should pray for her, but you are absolutely wrong to say we should keep silent about her sin, and you also wrong on other points. I have said you are wrong, but Robin, this is not persecution. Are you really that foolish and unable to accept ‘correction’?

    >Were you in the room last night with Bynum?

    No, but what’s that got to do with anything as I was not writing last night? God spoke to me weeks ago and He knows what’s going on better than you or I. What I said God said about Bynum and Weeks months ago has been proved by their continued sin and apostasy. God called her then to repent. If she does, praise God, and I have continually said God will restore her if so – but until she publically repents (as per scriptural principles) then the church should have nothing more to do with her. We do not wait for God to move. No he waits for her to move! Do you not know this?

    >Maybe when she gets the wake up call to Repent and Turn from the wickedness, You will still be stuck on the same page.

    Ah so you agree she is wicked? And this wake up call to repent and turn has already been delivered, including by me – but I am not the only one, far from it! But you throw stones at me and the others for delivering this message! You hypocrit!

    As to being stuck on the same page – well yes, I would be, because I have already said that the church may embrace her if and when she publically repents?

    >Because it is obvious, The gift of the Prophetic is only operating in your life, Right!

    When have I ever said this? NEVER. You are bitter because I have said YOU are scripturally wrong, and you do not like what I say. Well get over it and learn from scripture!

    >I guess we should continue to crucify her

    Nobody is ‘crucifying’ her, here anyway. Wake up to yourself and learn from God what is good and right.

    >It appears God has shown you a piece of a final outcome.

    As to what I previously prophecied re Bynum, it was conditional on her REPENTENCE hence the call to repentence.

    >I have yet to see you discuss some of the Generals you listen to preach the Gospel. The Word of God.

    Have you even read the numerous other posts on this site?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | December 17, 2007

  27. Paul:

    >You do not know anything about her. absolutely nothing.

    Ah but I do, Paul. But nonetheless, what I said to both Grace and you is the truth. You are angry, but then truth can provoke this result in people. You do not like what I say, examine youself why this is so, could it be it hit a raw nerve in you?

    You spoke for Christianity yet you were wrong also, Paul.

    >If you wanted to say something about Juanita, then you should have said she did this and that and stick to that. For example, this is what she is doing. The bible says, … however you look like you have gone out of the topic that is suppossed to show the lady Juanita as a “false Prophet”.

    I said what I said and as per usual was shot down by people like Grace for saying it. I defend my position and get called unloving etc etc by people who do know know, love or defend the word of God. It is totally on topic to respond to these accusations as it happens all the time to watchmen. And yes, in Grace’s case she is a hypocrit for the reasons stated.

    And do you not know the Lord himself rebuked Satan speaking through Peter?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | December 17, 2007

  28. It’s really unfortunate that some will go to any lenght in defending these apostate ministers. It does prove the state of delusion that many have been plunged into.

    I guess most of what we have today is a fulfilment of the scriptures in 2Thess2:10-12 “The people did not welcome the truth but refuse to love that they might be saved, therefore God sends upon them a misleading influence,a working of error and a strong delusionto make them believe what is false”

    This would be the only explanation for people to keep listening to Juanita Bynum and her fellow pimps.

    Comment by micheal | December 18, 2007

  29. You really amaze me. If we don’t agree with you about something, we need to repent, oh now, I’m a hypocrite.
    As I have said, and for the last time, God spoke to me through a vision about my comments regarding Juanita Bynum- and I have repented.

    As you have said, God has called you to be a watchman and you are warning the flock, right. Let everything be done in decency and in order. I did not come to bring confusion, I simply left a comment regarding the vision God showed me and how I have repented for the negative comments I made about her and How we should Pray,Pray, Pray for her.

    If you think I am wrong for that, take it to Christ in prayer.I’m sure he’ll tell you this to is my servant, and Yes! I have spoken to her. Love you.

    Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
    Sister Robin

    Comment by Sister Robin | December 18, 2007

  30. I do beleive juanita BYNUM is call by GOD.for some people to put her down it a shame.GOD is love.we pray for our sisters and brothers not slander them.when the man ear was cut off in the bible.God heal his ear he didn,t slander him so who is we to do so.get it to gather before it,s to late.

    Comment by catherine ward | December 19, 2007

  31. TO say and speak bad of a person is surely not rebuked. not one time did I hear any one rebuked satin.to slander is one thing and rebuked is another.

    Comment by catherine ward | December 19, 2007

  32. Robin:

    >If we don’t agree with you about something, we need to repent

    I have never said this at all, you can disagree with me freely about anything but do not contradict obvious points made in the Bible and then claim your beliefs are either ‘biblical’ or ‘Christian’. And if you do contradict scripture and/or do not obey God’s clear word, then yes, you (or anyone) should repent – do you not agree on this?

    You have numerously mis-stated what I have said, claiming I have ‘persecuted’ you etc etc. This is not just a silly charge bearing in mind the facts are in full view, but it is a lie. Stop deliberately twisting things around to try to make someone who speaks against your ‘anointed ones’ look bad.

    Face it: Bynum’s words and actions are plain evil. Evil prospers when good men do nothing. Evil prospers when certain ones in the church lovingly decide they will just ‘pray’ (and maybe shoot down those ones who will speak out) rather than speak out against this evil themselves. HYPOCRITS. YES HYPOCRITS. HYPOCRITS. HYPOCRITS. HYPOCRITS.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | December 19, 2007

  33. catherine ward: Juanita Bynum is not called by God to lie, spit forth vile teachings that will choke her followers, to falsely prophesy, or to rob the flock, she is not called to sin and disobey God. She is not called to love the things of this world and live in such a lavish style at the church’s expense. She is not called to be high minded or rebel against God. She is not walking in her true calling which is rebellion. But saying the same things to people like you who refuse to listen when the truth is in plain sight is getting tedious now. If people like you want to stay ignorant and defend the one who robs you spiritually and financially and leads you astray, and instead criticise the ones who warn you about these wolves in your midst… then frankly you deserve all you get …. go get bitten by the wolf and enjoy it. You deserve it. Or will you save yourself and listen to the truth? The truth! The truth! Does anyone care about the truth any more?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | December 20, 2007

  34. Why do you still not get what I have been saying all this time. Again, MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT—-

    Recently, God gave me a vision regarding Juanita Bynum. Children of God- I too jumped on the band wagon of what was happening with this Tel-Evangelist( in a negative way), after the vision given by God, I had to Repent about speaking against those that God has anointed. What I’d like to say to all, Remember David. After all was said, he was still God’s anointed and God said a man after his heart. To all the True Saints of God, Keep Juanita in your prayers and Repent for your sake if you have spoken against authority.

    The Power of The Holyghost is real, and it is very evident, whats taking place at this Conference must be looked upon in the Spirit, not the Flesh because you will miss it.

    I am not blind to the Devils devices, tricks, etc. I can clearly see she has recently been off track for a minute. SO AGAIN- AND AGAIN- AND AGAIN- AND AGAIN- I SAY PRAY FOR JUANITA. THAT GOD ALMIGHTY BRINGS HER TO A PLACE OF REPENTENCE SAINTS OF GOD, and THAT RESTORATION TAKES PLACE. Let’s not count her out-We can do so much more good to the body of Christ if we would pray.

    And I have repented for jumping on the band wagon against her instead of praying for her.

    Another comment to the clip-
    The Holyspirit is present and moving upon many of the Saints.

    Again- if God has called you to be a watchman and speak out and have clips to expose ministries, I pray the Holyspirit leads you and directs you in all you do. Love you and I apologize for any misunderstandings.

    In His Service,
    Sister Robin

    Comment by Sister Robin | December 20, 2007

  35. thank God for showing you the truth sister robin I trust God that every body that spoke against our sister will get off that band wagon and pray for our sister in christ the time use to put her down we can spend that time praying and up lifting her. because the devil is using this tube to bring God people down. may God bless us all.

    Comment by catherine ward | December 23, 2007

  36. Miriam,
    You are doing great! I am cheered up to have such a sister,
    I love how you love the truth and there is only one and is a person.
    …God himself will send strong delusion…
    for those, which do not love the thruth.
    Juanita Bynum might be sent from God – as a strong delusion ????
    Was Judas, the apostle chosen by Jesus ? Yes he was. Even chosen, to betray Jesus? Yes he was. What he did, he did voluntarily.
    How dare we speak about him, call him a thief…when he was called and annointed enough to preach and heal and cast out demons (Luke 10) and yet he is the son of disaster ?
    If only Grace and Mercy had prayed more and hugged him more and told him, that Jesus loves him …
    …and yet they are enemies of the cross …

    Comment by arabella | December 24, 2007

  37. There are vessels born unto honor and dishonor. Judas, Pharoah, etc. Again Saints of God- Pray for Juanita Bynum. Unless God has told you otherwise.

    In His Service,
    Sister Robin

    Comment by Sister Robin | December 28, 2007

  38. I see alot of people speaking condemning comments against Prophetess Bynum, with little cause or proof. This clip shown of her is ten years and was during a time when she was preaching from a rebellious and back-slidden state. She HERSELF admitted to this on the stage in front of thousands for Bishop T.D. Jakes’ “Women Thou Art Loosed” conference in 2003. In that conference she admitted her sins and repented. THAT is why she looked like that in that lip, because she WAS rebellious at the time.

    Yet you all miss one thing: what does the Bible have to say about such a thing that you all are doing? ROMANS 8:27-39; ROMANS 14:7-13.

    Read them and take heed to your words.

    Be blessed, speak blessed…..
    to be a blessing, and speak a blessing…..

    Your brother Trevor T.G.
    Prophet from GOD,
    Priest of the Most High,
    Apostolic King

    Comment by Prophet Trevor T. Greene | December 28, 2007

  39. The mark of the beast,
    on the forehead
    on the right hand

    This seems to be the way to receive the mark of the beast:
    the false annointing from the hand to the forehead.

    Comment by arabella | December 31, 2007

  40. Trevor T.G.

    The clip shown illustrates not just what was wrong with Juanita Bynum’s ministry then, but what is wrong with the crowd for accepting it, and the church for advocating it. This type of behaviour continues every day in pentecostal circles, (in fact is worse today), by many other ministers and you know this. The fact the clip is ten years old is neither here nor there.

    If Bynum has really repented of this behaviour as you claim (which I dispute as I have seen her ‘repentences’), then that is one thing. But the people and church have never repented and still accept this rubbish! The clip still holds, regardless of where Bynum is at, as it shows what is wrong in the Church. It still speaks and still teaches.

    Furthermore, if you read my other posts about Bynum, they show that Bynum has got more and more sinful and proud and high minded and heretical and idolotory and greedy as time has gone on. You say ‘little cause’ or ‘proof’, yet there is abundant proof out there from 2007. What more do you need? To see horns actually coming out of her head? Are you that naive? And you call yourself a prophet?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | December 31, 2007

  41. Listen guys, as mentioned earlier this is our sister in Christ and we need to hold each other up in prayer. See according to the Bible we are family and this is not how family acts. When i have a fault with a sibling, we talk about it and try to work it out, or i pray about the situation and there is always these two outcomes:
    1. Either i have a change of heart about the situation
    OR
    2. The other person changes

    When was the last time you actually, truly prayed for these people? would you like something like this website dedicated to you, everytime you said something wrong? I’m not saying they always say the right things, but they say a lot of good things too and are helping many people. Because of the magnitutde of the lives they affect, pray that they will speak with the clarity and purity of Jesus Christ. Afterall the effective fervant prayer of a RIGHTEOUS (not gossiping – that’s what this is)person avails so much.

    Comment by Victoria | February 13, 2008

  42. Again, Thank God for you Miriam.
    I have jsut read through ALL this blog, and totally agree (again) with your statements and convictions and warnings.
    I don’t know a lot about this woman, but did know she has been in the news lately…..so all the above commentators
    speaking about loving and praying, do they think that their love and prayers came to naught, when this woman is STILL so off-track, and doing all this in Gods Name.
    Has their love and prayers turned her from her deception,
    would it not have been more fruitful for the Body of Christ,
    like Paul said to address her, and stand her down UNTIL she repents and turns from her wicked ways, rather than being
    a so-called spokesperson for Christ.

    Continue Miriam, I thankyou for your willingness or should I say obedience to the Word of God and how Jesus and Paul
    dealt with situations like ‘hers’ with all the leaders, and
    those who were false prophets and false apostles, Jesus and Paul dealth with, and warned of, and so should the watchmen of today.

    This was a comment I just found while searching to find what is was that she had been up to lately, while
    still holding the position of spokensperson for Christ,
    and leader in His Body….anf oudn this…

    Anonymous said…
    TRULY I FEEL THAT THEY BOTH NEED TO STOP POINTING THE FINGER AT EACH OTHER AND ACCEPT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THEIR FAULTS . THEY NEED TO BOTH GO BEFORE GOD AND REPENT AND TO EACH OTHER , AND THEY ESPICALLY NEED TO REPENT TO THE PEOPLE WHO THEY WERE LEADING AND ASK FOR THEIR FORGINENESS ,BECAUSE THEY REALLY HURTED SOME PEOPLE AND LED THEM TO STRAY BECAUSE OF THE MESS THAT HAS CAME OUT ABOUT THEM , THE BIBLE SAYS THAT THE BLOOD WILL BE REQUIRED AT THEIR HAND , IT IS A ASHAME THAT THIS HAS HAPPENEND , HOW CAN YOU LEAD PEOPLE TO GOD AND YOU ARE MESSED UP , BISHOP WEEKS AND PROPHETESS BYNUM NEED TO CHECK THERE SALVATION OUT , BEACAUSE IT SOMETHING GOING WRONG IN THEIR LIVES.

    Comment by Paula | March 23, 2008


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