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Dumitru Duduman & Michael Boldea Jr’s false prophecies and teachings

I have long been concerned about the prophecies of Dumitru Duduman (author of Through the Fire Without Burning) and Michael Boldea Jr at the ’Hand Of Help’ ministry.  They have not ever sat right with me in terms of ringing true either in their source or their content. I know that in most of Christiandom both these men are very highly regarded. In certain prophecy circles, no prophet is allowed to speak anything that contadicts Duduman, let alone criticise him! Yet when I actually closely examine the content of Duduman’s prophecies, they cause me great concern because of their blatant false teaching as well as their proven falseness.  I would love to say the guy is a true prophet, but I cannot, for he is not.  I see the same errors creaping into his grandson Michael Boldea jr’s writings too.

Here are my thoughts on prophetic accountability:http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/the-growth-of-a-prophet-accountability-prophetic-infallibility/   In a nutshell, I say someone in prophetic ministry should be accurate all of the time in predictive and also scriptural matters. This is what the Bible says too. Now while I said in this article that I may personally choose to overlook one or two prophetic misses in other prophets (depending on how far off we are talking about and what the rest of their track record is like), an extra dimension is that both Michael Boldea jr and his grandfather Dumitru Duduman claim to speak with angels in their dreams and visions which leaves very little room for human misunderstanding or any other error. Duduman also claims to have had each dream TWICE.

While I could possibly understand somebody misunderstanding a vision or imagining a dream or vision to be divine when it is not (though I do not excuse it for someone when in prophetic ministry), to claim an angel clearly spoke words to you is a whole new ballgame. Directly spoken words like this heard in such a clear fashion from angels is not something you would mess up. So therefore if ‘your’ claimed angel gets something wrong, proven through the test of time, scripture or of the spirits, then either you are lying about the experience and saw no angel (most likely), have fabricated some of the experience although not all of it and are embellishing it (a lie nonetheless), you are mentally ill, or you are decieved by seducing spirits as the angel is obviously lying to you.

God’s angels NEVER lie or get things wrong. God is never mistaken. Yet Dumitru Duduman was wrong on multiple scores, indicating the angels in his dreams cannot have been who they claimed to be and that he was a false prophet. Duduman claimed that his way of seeing if any of his dreams truly came from God was to pray, ‘Lord if that is from you, let me dream that again.’   Of course, that is not the Biblical test or standard for testing either a spirit or a prophecy, and opens one up to all sorts of error, fantasy and delusions. One also has to question the fact that God and his angels would consistently agree to this. God is the one in control in this sense, not Duduman. Furthermore Duduman claims that he asked questions in the dreams in an interactive type of way. Are we led to believe then, that exactly the same questions were asked in exactly the same way in each dream? This claim alone causes me to doubt the truthfulness of the testimony, as this would just not happen in reality. You’d ask differant questions after thinking or praying on it after the first night, or you’d maybe see things with a slightly differant spin on them, or you’d try and gain more understanding or interact in a slightly differant way with God or the angels the second time around. However, all these facts notwithstanding, these dreams and visions of Dudaman’s could have been tested by any discerning mind against scripture and found to be false  if following the proper biblical standards. Why few people, if any, have done this bemuses me.

There is a lot of troubling false theology in the dreams, and the very number of angels Dudaman also always claimed to see, almost always Gabriel, also raises a red flag in itself against the reliability of the dream’s source and/or the prophet’s integrity. Intentional false prophets often claim they speak to angels in an attempt to gain extra credibility for their visions. Why he also seeks to draw attention to the ‘manifestations’ to garner extra credibility for the visions is also troubling. For example, he makes sure to mention that he was ‘bathed in sweat’ or he ‘was so afraid he could not sleep the rest of the night’ etc, another indicitive of possible intentional fraud, for a true prophet would know that these manifestations were neither here nor there, but to the undiscerning mind it sounds ’spicy’ and ’supernatural’. I do not think God would leave him in such a fearful state like he claims either.

When reading through his numerous visions, I find Dumitru Duduman to be a prophet Daniel ‘copycat’, I believe he generally misunderstands the nature of true prophetic encounters and has created in his own accounts something to fit what he thought Daniel went through, and what he thinks sounds believable and Biblical to others, while mistakenly mixing it up with Joseph’s dreams and visions (which were not interactive like Daniel’s). Yet Duduman made a fundamental flaw in that he misunderstood the interactive element between the dreamer, God and the angels for dreams such as the ones he claimed he experienced; the visionary though in some sort of an altered state would be fully concious and able to respond and would not be in a normal dreamstate. There is also a distinct lack of any kind of intercession in the claimed interactions, which again raises suspicions to their veracity. Because of this misunderstanding, Duduman has made fatal flaws in storyline and logic, indicating his account is untrue, at least in part. He has not told a full and true account of what has happened: he cannot have. He has at best embellished his story and at worst he has outright lied. There are just too many inconsistencies in what he claims.

In terms of the lies in the dreams of factual circumstance:

In one instance the angels allegedly told a sick Dumitru Duduman that he would be healed to do a lot more work.

‘As I was laying in my hospital bed, looking over the faces of my family, three men appeared beside me. One had a globe in his hand, and he began to rotate it and point out certain countries saying: “This is where the destruction will come from.” I don’t remember all the places he pointed to, but I remember I saw Mexico, Cuba, and the Alaskan border. Then one of the men spoke to me; “we fought against death for you. It was a hard fight. Do not fear you will not leave. You still have work to do.” Suddenly, 3 stars appeared behind them. One of them asked; “Do you know what that means?” “No” I answered. “We won’t say exactly, but it probably means that in another 3 years a great massacre will occur.” Then the stars turned into blood, and everything disappeared.’   (Vision of Dumitru Duduman received November 29, 1996)  

“I won’t say exactly”  and “It probably means….”  Where in the Bible would you find one of God’s messengers giving a confused message like this?  Either God says something or He does not!  This predicted massacre did not come to pass in either Mexico, Cuba, or the Alaskan border, and despite the angel’s apparent fudging, still have not over eleven years later.

Anyway these predictions were proven false just a few months later when he  died, all of this proving that these angels were wrong. (His prophetic ‘mantle’ was then passed onto his grandson, Michael Boldea. This idea of keeping a ministry in the family is not Biblical in itself, another thing that troubles me about this clan of prophets. In this one fact in itself, it undermines the whole integrity of Duduman, Boldea – the lot of them.)

He also gave key dates for a Russia-chinese invasion of the USA and then the end of the world which dates have long since passed. In August 1991 he claimed he saw the back of a book in a vision and counted out 4 remaining blank pages at the end.“When these (pages) are filled,” the angel said, “the book of the Gentiles will be complete. Then I will return to my people.’  (There are some mixed up thoughts there between the angel and the Lord Jesus Christ, indicating the untrustworthiness of the vision.  If it had been Christ appearing as an angel, or as like a son of man, there would have been a lot more awe and wonder on Duduman’s part, there are quite a few cases of similar slips of storyline like this in his other visions, which just would not happen if you are relaying a fully truthful account. (Such slips of logic like this and inconsistencies of fact are normally  indications someone is lying - they have not thought through their story well enough. This is the stuff police detectives look for when testing an alibi.)

 

In January 1996, in a vision, Duduaman said:

Two men ’opened a great book and said, Do you remember how many pages were left to fill when I showed you last time? Now, there is but one page left. When this is completed, what I have told you will happen …..” The man proceeded to tell me that the time it would take for this page to be filled, would not be longer, but shorter.

The time between these visions is four and a half years, and Dumitru Dudman claims it will be less time than these four and a half years before the end of the time of the Gentiles and the return of Christ. Well, at the time of writing this articles, it is twelve years now, so these visions and their source, are patently false.

In terms of the lies in the dreams regarding scriptural error: As well as the inaccuracy of fact, there is bad theology running through the dreams.A black bird, portraying Satan, tells Duduman: “Power has been given to me to be able to come against the Christians in a short time…. I want to make war against the true Christians – those that serve God with their hearts, their lives, and their actions not only in name. We’ll see if they will be able to stand up against me… We’ll see… I am a warrior. I fight against Christ.”‘We’ll see if they will be able to stand up against me…’   Christians are not able to stand up against Satan in the flesh, but only by being hidden in Christ Jesus and overcoming via the blood of the lamb and the words of their testimony. I also debate that Satan fights against Christ. He does not, for Christ’s work is finished and Satan is defeated by Christ and has been hurled down from heaven consequently – Satan’s head was crushed by Jesus 2000 years ago. Satan the dragon fights the church  though, and has power to overcome the saints in persecution.

Note the future  tense. This echos with what his grandson, Michael Boldea jr said recently in his dream of the four horsemen  about Christians needing to take a stand at  the end times.

‘If one word stands out from this entire dream, it is the word ‘prepare’ and we must do so with diligence. The children of God must steel themselves for what is coming, prepare their hearts and settle within their soul that the day in which we will have to stand for truth is soon approaching.’   (Michael Boldea jr)

‘Soon approaching’ - this is obviously very wrong -why? Satan already  comes against the Saints and has done so for centuries – that is why the Bible says the devil prowls round like a roaring lion looking for those he can devour, we must be wary to the devil’s schemes and put on our spiritual armour daily, weild the sword of the word and submit to God, resist the devil and the devil will flee from us. WE ARE ALREADY IN A SPIRITUAL WAR!  However, the devil also makes physical war against the Saints and has done so for many years and has had the power to overcome them through the beast of Rome. History is full of the blood of millions of martyrs, yet according to Duduman and Boldea this war is only future  tense. This is not true.

 

Duduman said: ‘These are the catholic powers which will overtake the holy, that the words prophesied in Revelation may come to pass. A majority of my people will be overtaken and trampled because their lives are not clean before their Lord. Tell this message to them! Do not be quiet! For if you are quiet, I will punish you! The churches are fraudulent (counterfeit, fake). They live a life as their hearts desire, with their hands stained in blood – in adultery, in sodomy, and worshiping strange and foreign gods. Because they have forsaken the true God, He has allowed them to go as their hearts desired. Now, tell them! Cry out loud! Tell them to stop treading the path their hearts desire – to repent with all their hearts, that in the day of the Beast’s anger I may be able to save them, so they would not deny me. The time is very short, and the army of their salvation is already prepared………Look to your right.” When I looked, I saw such a vast army that my eyes could not encompass it. “This is the army I have prepared to save my people from the Beast’s grasp.’

Now this is false. The prophet Daniel says that the Beast will overcome the ‘Holy people’, and the righteous Saints, that he will make war with them and have the power to overcome them. The apostle John says that this time of tribulation calls for ‘great patience and endurance on the part of the Saints’.   The Bible does NOT say that the Saints that are persecuted and martyred or otherwise punished by the evil one’s army are lesser Christians. In fact, it states the opposite. ‘Lesser’ Christians will apostasise and be safe! The martyrs are the faithful ones who loved God more than their own lives and clung to the word.  These martyrs are not saved by a mighty physical army – if only it were so!  Though some Saints still alive shall rejoice at the sight of the Lord appearing in the clouds with his mighty army right at the very end of the tribulation, when they shall be raptured up with him in the air, and then the Beast and the false prophet will be destroyed. Until then, the Overcoming is a spiritual overcoming, not a physical one. There is no divine protection against martyrdom, and never has been since the 1st century (though God does sometimes rescue his Saints in certain circumstances from death). The apostles knew this as did the early Christians who suffered terribly for their faith, thousands being made into flaming torches for sport by the emperor Nero. The Book of Revelation was written against this background – the apostle John had been boiled alive in oil and was now in exile in Patmos. Yet the hope in the book was the Lamb of God who was seated on high. The hope was in the spiritual victory and an eternal kingdom, not a man made one, hence there was no need to raise physical arms. The message was be an overcomer – hold onto your faith til the end despite what the Beast of Rome throws at you and know your reward in heaven will be great. The dignity of the early Christians going to their death was so impressive, sometimes even their executioners were converted and martyred alongside them.

Duduman’s false theology is continued in THE BLACK ARMY vision from May 7, 1993 -

“I am Lucifer!” he exclaimed. “I am the king of this world! I have come to make war against the Christians!”

It looked as though all the Christians were huddled together in one big group. Some began to cry when they heard this. Others began to tremble, while some just stood without saying anything. Lucifer continued to speak. “All of those that want to fight against my army and think they can be victorious; go to the right. Those that fear me; go to the left.”

Only about a quarter of the group stepped to the right. All the others went to the left. Then Lucifer ordered his army, “Destroy those on the right!”

The army began to advance and quickly surrounded the Christians on the right. As they began to close in on us, a powerful light appeared and encircled us. Then, an angel of the Lord spoke. “Take out your swords and fight. Defend yourselves and be victorious over the enemy.”

“What swords?” A man in the group asked.

“The Word of the Lord is your sword,” the angel answered. When we understood what the angel meant, we began to quote verses from the Bible. Then suddenly, as if we were one voice, we began to sing a song. Our voices thundered so loudly, that the Dark army began to retreat in fear. They did not have the courage to come against us anymore.

Lucifer, then filled with rage, turned to those on the left. “You, who all of your life have been trying to please two masters, because you could not stand against me; I have the power to destroy you.”

He then ordered his army to attack. It was a total massacre. The ones on the left could not defend themselves. One by one they all fell. This killing seemed to go on for a long time. After a while we could actually smell the stench of the dead.

“Why could they not be protected also?” someone asked.

The angel answered: “Because all their life they have been lukewarm. Because of their hypocrisy, the true church has been blasphemed. They have brought disrespect to the word of God. They were not clean.”

As we continued to look, we saw the sun coming over the horizon. The black clouds began to break up. Then they disappeared. Only one was left – on which Lucifer and his army stood. Lucifer looked at me shaking his fists and said, “I will destroy you even if I have to throw my spear at you from here!” Then that cloud disappeared too.

As I looked around I began to see faces that I recognized among our group. I saw a pastor from Bellflower – another from Indiana – one from Michigan – as well as many of my American friends. This strengthened me greatly. Then I awoke. The first thought that came to my mind as I awoke was that this had been the last fight of the devil against the church. If we remain faithful, we will be victorious.’

Duduman in A CALL TO WAR vision – September 1993 – says -

“Cease heading the way you have been going and turn to me,” says the Lord. “Lucifer, who is armed for war on his horse, is coming with a powerful army behind him to take vengeance against the children of God. The day is close: a day of terror when Lucifer will try to annihilate all those that live a clean life! A day of pain and terror is near.”

“If you could see what is being prepared and what will happen, you would surely quit doing everything you know in your heart to be wrong, and would seek peace more than ever. Be prepared, be holy, and don’t give in to the temptations and impulses of the enemy. Seek the Lord your God with all your heart. Those who will be clean, those who will be holy, I will not forget. I will save them,” says the Lord. “The armies of the devil are coming with great fury against those who worship Me, and truly seek Me. Pray that I may give you strength, so that before the storm comes I may save you and give you the joy.”

“Those that live in defilement, that meditate upon evil things, will have no escape. They will not have My protection. I will destroy Babylon,” says the Lord, “because of the wickedness and blasphemy of this country. Not only here, but wherever there is sin, I will punish it harshly. Only the righteous will I save; some even out of the midst of the fire.”  

So only the ‘bad’ Christians are destroyed by the evil one in the last days then? This disagrees with the Bible. There is a lot of a works-centred theology running through Duduman’s prophecies, indeed self-righteousness, and this theme is sadly consistent.

In the BOOK OF THE GENTILES vision – November 7, 1993 Duduman claims,

‘…another choir of angels appeared which began to sing….“Jesus the Savior, wants to save the people, but not those who have blasphemed, and cursed Him. Only those that have lived a clean life, and have fought for Jesus, without holding on to this life, but giving it all to Christ.”

Jesus, of course, wants to save everyone. Whether they will have it or not is another thing.

In EXAMINE YOUR HEART vision December 9, 1993 – Duduman says -

‘Terror and great pain is coming upon the earth. The devil will take upon himself power, and he will attempt to make war with the holy. But Christ the victorious one will come and will save His people. Proud men; all those who pretend to be teachers, yet never living the life; all those who say they worship Me, yet their hearts are far from Me,” says the Lord, “I will make them part of the suffering, torment, and terror so they will call upon Me. But I will not answer.’

In LETTERS TO THE CHURCHES – March 1994 – Dudman says of the coming of judgement/end of the world and Christ:

The days have been shortened because of all the iniquities. My people, repent, because the days are numbered.” 

Yet the Bible says that GOD delays the time of the end, that as many will be saved as possible.  It says the days of the great tribulation will be shortened, for the sake of the saints, but this is another thing entirely.

It can be seen, therefore, there is a lot of bad theology running through the visions, and a lack of intercession from the prophet. The God portrayed in Dudaman’s dreams and visions is a cold and harsh one, who seemingly cannot wait to burn America, destoy the world and all the ‘naughty’ Christians along with them. His God seems to take great delight in saying ‘you’ll burn’. There are crucially no visions of anything beyond the judgment, of the glory of God and His Christ etc or even alternatives if people repent to put the harsh warnings of judgment into perspective. All biblical prophets when warning of impending judgment always called the church and the world to repentence, prayer and activity, and yet I do not see this thread running anywhere in these visions. I do not see a true prophets words because of these reasons too.

I commentated on Michael Boldea’s post on the four horsemen on his blog some time ago, in a short and respectful manner, that I agreed with him that the church was not prepared and we must prepare as great devastation was coming to the earth, but I said that day we must stand for truth was already here today (as it always has been). Too many people look to tomorrow  and ignore the importance of today when antichrist systems are already in place and decieving the masses today.  We do not just stand for truth in the very last days of the end times alone as the final Beasts and Antichrist are revealed but now also. Boldea refused to publish this comment, yet has published other praising comments since. What I wrote was biblical, gentle, respectful and not critical. I question that action for deleting what I wrote, and the reasons for this. 

What I did not write then to him, but will say now, is that the symbology in the vision was confused – as the horsemen have been riding for centuries and one is Jesus! An angel would not be confused but a man would, indicating, I think a non angelic source for it. His account of getting the prophecy also did not at all ring true to me.

There are many embellished testimonies I hear on the Christian circuit – (there are so many liars out there! They think they do God’s work by bearing false witness and think what is the harm if it has Jesus name and leads people to him anyway -  ones who lie, ‘I was an ex witch/high priest of satanism/high ranking mason and this is my story’ etc to make a quick buck.  A few claims of testimony from Duduman’s and Boldea’s camp likewise did not ring true to me. (Note this is in additon to prophecies and teachings).

Some of the visions and words contain some truth but then you will get that if using the Bible to prophesy from the flesh it will be a mix. Though Dudman and Michael Boldea jr sometimes speaks truth because he speaks from the Bible, and God can use him just as he can use other false teachers or evangelists or prophets despite their falseness etc, it does not make them true prophets. It really does not matter if they well-intentioned or not.

January 11, 2008 - Posted by endtimespropheticwords | Dumitru Duduman (Hand of Help), False Prophets and Teachers, Michael Boldea Jr (Hand of Help), Rapture, The Prophecy Club | , , , , | 192 Comments

192 Comments »

  1. I’m not familiar with the men you refer to in the post. There are many people out there calling themselves prophets who aren’t.

    Who do you like? Who do you believe is accurate and trackin’ with God (as they say in the south)?

    Comment by cbgrace | January 11, 2008

  2. Michael Boldea claimed after 9/11, that 911 was God’s final warning. ‘THIS is MY FINAL WARNING…The season is at hand’ he said God said.

    Yet this is not biblical. The Book of Revelation reveals warning after warning, in nature with disasters, and with wars and with diseases and signs in the skies, with the sad message that ‘Yet still the people did not repent…’

    911 was not God’s final warning has already been proven by worldwide historical events since 2001.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | January 16, 2008

  3. I have read nearly all of Duduman’s prophecies and watched many videos. I have read Boldea’s reports of what angels have showed him. I have never questioned it.

    In fact, by the Holy Spirit, we are able to discern false from true.

    I recommend to everyone reading the above criticism of Duduman/Boldea read 1 John chapters 4 and 5. In fact, all of the letters of John just before Revelation. Then read at handofhelp website, and then pray for the Lord’s word on it!

    Comment by Robert | January 17, 2008

  4. I want to encourage “endtimespropheticword” to continue this bold work in encouragement and feeding the sheep. I certainly disagree with you on this point, however.

    Comment by Robert | January 17, 2008

  5. I did some searching for this prophecy. I found nothing. I also searched for ‘dumitru duduman false prophecy wife’ and found nothing… only your site.

    You need to repent of coming against a servant of God, remove this debasement of Duduman and be more careful in the future.

    I am carefully observing my spirit in writing this.

    Comment by Robert | January 17, 2008

  6. Robert: there is next to nothing negative on the internet about these men (that I could find anyway). However the fact that very few people have written an article YET that you can find through a search engine under the key words ‘false prophecy’ does not make what I state inaccurate. You need to put other keywords in to find this information I am basing my article on anyway. The things I quoted from are in his own books where no mention is made re ‘false prophet’ (obviously). The conclusions as to him being a false prophet are mine, based on researching the FACTS and his own words.

    Up until recently, when I actually read through his entire book, because everyone else (including legitimate sources) was saying he was a true prophet, even though his words I had read did not sit ‘right’ with me, it did not seem important to ‘call’ him on it. Possibly this is why other watchmen have not YET written on this clan of ‘prophets’ as they take everyone else’s word for it rather than investigating for themselves. However when actually scrutinised there is plenty of evidence that what I speak is the truth.

    I do not need to ‘repent’ of anything, the facts I have stated are true and are from his own words that I have not bastardised. Even if we put aside the specific wife and his death prophecy for now, as I stated in the article there are too many other inconsistencies and bad theology scattered liberally through his writings to say the man was a true prophet. He was not just wrong or off about one or two things.

    If you want to disagree with my article then state your reasons. Do you agree with his bad theology then? Do you agree with his way of testing the spirits? Do you think angels contradict themselves and get things wrong? Do you think his bad date setting is OK? Do you think his slips in storyline and logic are acceptable and reflect a truthful account – could, indeed, anyone go through a genuine experience such as what he claims to have gone through on dozens of occasions and make such fundamental errors in logic, storyline and theology when relaying their account?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | January 18, 2008

  7. Robert:

    > I have never questioned it.

    Why not when the Bible commands us to test everything? You must question everything and weigh it up against scripture. It is because the Corinthians never questioned the super apostles and readily accepted them that the apostle Paul rebuked them. You quote I John, but the apostle John implores us to not just accept anything we see/hear but to ‘test the spirits’. The spirits that appeared to Dudaman (or so he claims) consistently fail the Biblical test!

    > In fact, by the Holy Spirit, we are able to discern false from true.

    But this is done through scripture as well as a testing process of the spirits, not just by ‘feelings’ or via spiritual senses. If we could automatically discern via feelings alone, then I John would not implore us to TEST the spirits.

    The fact is, Duduman contradicts scripture repeatedly as well as getting things wrong. He has failed the Biblical test for a true prophet. If you spiritually discern what he says he is ‘true’, then respectfully YOU are being led astray by either the flesh or seductive spirits and your discernment is ‘off’, as the Holy Spirit leads to all truth and testifies according to it – He does not lead into error.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | January 18, 2008

  8. So Dumitru Duduman dyed and i know Romanian people and this sincere man has nothing to gain from this.Please see some of his testimonies at. http;//onecanhappen.wordpress.com/2008/01/06/dumitru-duduman-wake-up-america

    Comment by nic | January 21, 2008

  9. Thank you for the substantiation. I do believe Dumitru Duduman was and his son Michael is sincere and i think the lattr is doing a good work in helping orphans, but it is true that a prophet who implicitly or explicitly claims to speak in the name of the Lord is to be 100%. No Biblical prophet in so doing was wrong, not Jonah nor anyone else, and God killed and punish men who falsely prophesied, such as Hananiah Shemaiah (Jer. 28, 29.

    But a true man of God repents when he is shown to be wrong, and Michael Boldea is an entirely different class than such exceedingly false prophets on steroid as James Loyd: http://www.beaconoftruth.com/cmn.htm (the author of this site spreads his own errors).

    Comment by daniel hamilton | February 24, 2008

  10. Danie: there will always people we can point to who are worse, but really that’s not the point. False prophets can be sincere, just like Hananiah, who funny enough I am just about to do an article one.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | February 24, 2008

  11. I have not questioned the validity of Duduman because of what Paul referred to when he said “in my spirit” to confirm what he was writing in a letter to be true. In the book of John, we are also told we have the Holy Spirit to discern all things.

    By this, I have always received their words as accurate.

    I also have Duduman’s books. Can you give me the title and page of this prophecy about the wife? I scanned my copies… but found nothing.

    Additionally, the full text of all Duduman’s prophecies are online. I would expect that if Duduman “prophesied” his wife’s continuation of his work, Google would know about it.

    Please, book and page.

    Comment by Robert | March 3, 2008

  12. Well, I just reviewed Duduman’s book – again. Not only did I not find reference to his wife, Maria, assuming his ministry, I noted that the book relates his life and service to the Lord from his leaving the army to his early ministry in America. The last section is the prophecies which are posted all over the Internet. I believe someone misinformed you; you have not read what you claim.

    Additionally, I remember know this: After Dumitru’s death, there was discussion about who should assume the mantel of Duduman’s ministry. It was suggested to Boldea that he take it up. He did not want it. But, the angel appeared to Boldea and continues to deliver God’s messages through him.

    You need to be honest about the origin of your doubts, hearsay, and recant this thread.

    Duduman’s prophecies agree with reports from real prophets like Daniel Rodes and Tom Deckard.

    Comment by Robert | March 3, 2008

  13. Robert: I read through his entire prophecies, and I quoted directly from them numerous times in the above articles. I also directly quoted from Boldea. I quoted from both the horse’s mouth. This is not second hand ‘hearsay’.

    I believe there are slightly differant editions of the printed book available, and I understand certain things were ‘edited’ in newer editions, which may explain slight differences between what you and I have read. Not all I quoted came from the book anyway, some came from Boldea’s blog/website and certain other sources.

    You charge me with not being honest, yet I have provided more than enough supporting evidence and information to show why I say as I do, and I’ve been 100% honest in what I’ve said. Even if you still dispute the history of the wife continuing the ministry claim (a minor point out of many much more serious points as far as I am concerned), Duduman’s theology and practice of discernment etc running through all his prophecies – the main thrust of this article’s arguement – is proven to be wrong and shows Duduman to be false. Duduman is a false prophet proven from both history and scripture, even if we put aside the wife claim. I have far better things to do with my time than annotate this source for you, when so many other things he said and did are false too. If it were the only thing ‘hanging’ him, then of course I’d annotate it. I have mentioned many direct quotes from the Boldea clan and you cannot dispute these quotes as there’s ample evidence for them. The thing is you do not want to believe my conclusion, which is another matter entirely.

    If you want to disagree with my conclusions based on scriptural reasoning, then please go ahead. I really don’t care whether other ‘real prophets’ (interesting enough who are ALL connected with the Prophecy Club who declare none of their prophets can contradict Duduman, so its in their interest and their ‘business’ contract to echo him, isn’t it, whether they hear from the Lord or not – The Prophecy Club is a business) echo Duduman or not. I only care if they align with scripture and speak the truth or not.

    Are you connected with the Prophecy Club?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 3, 2008

  14. Robert – how can the Holy Spirit confirm things that contradict the Bible and also contradict what actually came to pass? He only leads into all truth. This means that perhaps you misunderstand the Holy Spirit, or misindentify your feelings/hopes/the flesh for the Spirit…or even, perhaps, are lead astray by other spirits, which is an easier thing to do than most Christians give credit for.

    I understand that you feel in your ’spirit’ this man was anointed and Spirit led etc. But the true test of a prophet is not be feelings but by proper scriptural testing and weighing. ‘Faith’ can be misplaced, it can be wrong, it can be misunderstood, we can put 2+2 together and make 5. Feelings can be misunderstood and can lead astray. When people only rely on their ‘inner light’, over fact and scipture, this is where people can go wildly off the mark. This is how heresies are made.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 3, 2008

  15. Many of Duduman’s prophecies have come to pass. For example leaving Romania, exiled, on July 22nd at 10 a.m.; the captain torturing him would die, but Dumitru would live.

    Another is coming true right now.

    The angel told Duduman that the bear (Russia) would one day suddenly become powerful again, and attack other nations. Not only has Russia suddenly become very powerful, but the newly elected president (March 3, 2008) is named Myedvedev – which means “bear”.

    Another part of Duduman’s vision was the bear giving his claws to China – this happened. The Russians have sold major technology, including their second-best nuclear submarines, to the Chinese.

    Perhaps you are Catholic? Duduman prophecied about the demonic nature of the seat of Pope, and how that will be used to persecute the Christians. Is this the point of your angst?

    Comment by Robert | March 4, 2008

  16. I am not associated with “The Prophecy Club.” And, I personally realize that Stan and Leslie Johnson are not perfect people, and make some mistakes.

    I do believe God uses them for His purpose. His word is spread by their organizational capacity. I hope they continue.

    Comment by Robert | March 4, 2008

  17. Me, a Catholic?! That’s funny! Have you read what I’ve written on this site about Rome and ecumencisim?!

    The points I made about Duduman’s prophecy was as per the above article. I’ve no hidden agenda.

    Russia and China have always been joined at the hip.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 4, 2008

  18. Dear sister Miriam,
    If we see in part and prophesy in part and God can change HIS mind, is it possible that Duduman”s prophecy was in error because of this?
    I have met Michael Boldea, he was instrumental in my redemption and new birth in Christ. I’ve read and heard what he speaks in his messages of repentance, of walking in spirit and truth and of preaching and teaching the Gospel of our Saviour, if he is walking in deception, then we are ALL lost and deceived. i love michael as a true brother and believer in Yeshua our Messiah, and though i trust no man for every man is a liar and only GOD is true, what Michael teaches and preaches is sound and backed up by the WORD. Have you first spoken to him face to face to accuse him of false teaching? In scriptures we are told to first privately confront our brother in error, then take another witness if our brother will not hear. Is this not how all things are done in order. To restore and not destroy.
    The enemy is in the camp, we know this for the gatekeepers have fallen asleep and allowed the enemy access to turn the hearts and minds against some of those who are speaking the truth in these days of deceit.
    May we all come to knowledge of the depth and height of the love of our Lord and Saviour and bear one anothers burdens, and so fufill the law of Christ, let us do good unto all men, especially them who are of the household of faith.
    Shalom and Simcha
    rebecca

    Comment by rebecca | March 4, 2008

  19. Rebecca;

    I’m glad that you were saved through Boldea’s ministry. I’m sure God uses Michael Boldea, but that’s really not the point here. I can understand you defending him, but it’s not scripturally correct to say that because he is right on some things, he is right on all things, because he does some good in the church, he should not be corrected on any errant doctrine or sin, and to conclude that if he is false on some matters, or even decieving the brethren, we are ALL decieved.

    The facts are – as stated – he is not scripturally right on certain matters – he has a vital heresy (or two) on last days matters as well as how God speaks and how to discern – if you disagree then please point out where I scripturally err when I state what I state, and state why I say it.

    God can change his mind – but if he does he SPEAKS about it with his prophets FIRST, what is supposed to come to pass does not just change or not occur without forewarning. Things not happening then are not an excuse AFTER the event. Only before.

    Sometimes prophecy IS conditional. But if the angels appeared and say you’re going to not die, and don’t give conditions around this prophecy, and then he does die without another prophecy changing the conditions or saying God has altered his mind FIRST, then something is very amiss. The guy is either a false prophet and led by decieving angels or he is a liar or deluded.

    You’ll note what I say about both Duduman’s and Boldea’s errant theologies. I think I more than made my case that error should not occur if they are quoting angels verbatim as they claim, and quite frankly I do not believe some of these accounts. They don’t ring true even if they met false counterfeit angels. There are too many contradictions etc.

    >>In scriptures we are told to first privately confront our brother in error, then take another witness if our brother will not hear. Is this not how all things are done in order.

    This is not the case re false teachers and false prophets in the public arena whom we do not know personally.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 4, 2008

  20. Dear sister,
    Could you please tell me the one or two heresies on last days that are in error? i would like to see this for my own instruction.
    Is there not any men of God that walk in truth on this whole earth?
    I really believed that when i was brought to the truth and knowledge of Jesus as Lord and Saviour, everything made sense and for the first time in 49yrs of my life i could really SEE! i wasn’t blind, the Spirit of Truth opened my eyes to see and ears to hear that in Him there is Life and Truth and we who are called the body are to be like HIM. All i see now is deception everwhere, confusion, chaos and every manner of evil thing to divide and destroy us as a people of GOD. in any army if the troops are divided and not cohesive , the enemy will conquer, we know that in the end he will be destroyed but until then many of our brothers and sisters are being wounded and some even killed in this war on the saints. i am feeling very discouraged and empty lately, please pray for me as i do for you, and ALL the brothers and sisters that we will only walk under the protection of the cloud by day and the fire by night.
    Shalom and Simcha
    rebecca

    Comment by rebecca | March 6, 2008

  21. Rebecca

    The errors were specified and detailed in the article, do I need to make them clearer?

    BTW, I recognise why my ‘knocking’ Boldea & Duduman possibly knocks your faith and why, as you were saved through their ministry – you’ll possibly now doubt how real your salvation experience is, what were lies in that hence what you said if Boldea has not been straight. I understand that only too well, but please separate your experience from the fallen man who delivered the gospel message. People still get saved and touched by God through even charlatans like Benny Hinn!

    >>Is there not any men of God that walk in truth on this whole earth?

    Yes but even in the Bible they were never the majority.

    Keep your eyes on Jesus, the author and perfector of the faith. If my eyes had been on the church, I’d have given up long ago.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 6, 2008

  22. Ask the Lord for discernment concerning what you have written, for the Lord has shown many of the same things to many of His choosing.

    Joel 2:28 comes to mind, “And it shall come to pass afterward [that] I will pour out my spirit upon all felsh; and your sons and your daughers shall prophs\esy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:”

    I will pray for the wisdom of our Lord to be with you.

    Comment by Nila | March 10, 2008

  23. sorry about my spelling.

    Comment by Nila | March 10, 2008

  24. Nila: what do you mean? That there are many other false prophets too that contradict the word of the Lord, and what they say does not come to pass. Is that what you mean?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 10, 2008

  25. i HAVE HAD THREE MEETINGS WITH THE LORD OVER MY LIFE AND SEVERAL VISITATIONS OF ANGELS.i HAVE BEEN PRAYING EPH 1:18 AND HAVE ONLY LAST WEEK COME ACROSS MICHAEL BOLDEA AND D DUDUMAN PROPHECIES.FIVE MONTHS BEFORE 9-11 AMERICAN PROPHET LADIES WERE HERE IN SOUTH AFRICA AND THE SUNDAY AT LUNCH TIME WHILE READING THE BUSINESS PAPER A LIGHT SHONE ON ME AND I WEPT.THE LORD SAID I WAS TO WARN THESE TWO PROPHETS THAT WAR WAS COMING TO AMERICA….AND IT WUD INCREASE AND INCREASE AND WE WOULD SEND A JET TO EVACUATE THEM AND THEIR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN FROM THE SEATTLE AREA STRAIGHT BACK TO SOUTH AFRICA BEFORE THE ENEMY TOOK OVER USA. I BELIEVE THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL FOR AMERICA PROPHETICALLY…PRAY PRAY PRAY THESE PROPHECIES WITNESS WITH MY SPIRIT…THE WHOLE WORLD IS GOING TO BE SHAKEN.. THESE LADIES DO NOT HAVE GRANDCHILDREN YET…REVELATION COMES TO THOSE WHO SEEK HIM..AMOS 3;7 LOVE MICHAEL RSA

    Comment by michael koyd | March 10, 2008

  26. Is what your saying in what the angel told these men, that it didn’t come to pass in the time that man thinks it should have, or is it that it hasn’t come to pass yet? What about the prophecies of Daniel, Amos, Joel, John in Revelation? What about Jesus Christ himself, as much of what they spoke hasn’t come to pass yet, are they then false in the word of the Lord and if so, why do we then bother to read and listen to what they have said.

    Or is it the fact that the angel told these men of God that America is going to be judged for it’s abominations, that it then is so distastful to people that they reject and turn this word away? If God judged His people in the Old Testament and destroyed Sodom and Gommorah, why would He allow America to continue in our sinful ways? “Judgment begins in the house of God first, because there is something to be judged.”

    False prophet, what about the one that had been published and said that the Lord told them that we are going to have a Godly man as president that will change America for the better?

    I am one of those whom the Lord has shown things in dreams and visions, as well as others. Maybe then the nurse that I work with at the jail was right. Maybe I am crazy and need the psych pills that I give my patients because I hear from the Lord. And yes, I am called a false prophet also, because I don’t say peace and safety, because the Lord has said that there is none, not for this nation of iniquity.
    -…I then asked the Lord if the judgment can be overturned and He said, “Only the hearts of individuals can be changed for the sentence to be revoked. But as for this country of iniquity, she would not repent. The cup of iniquity is full, the judgment is set and the sentence is being passed.” 9/9/05

    My cousin had a visit from an angel who spoke to her of things.

    I and these men of God are not alone, as there are many that the Lord has spoken and showed the same things. I again ask that you seek the Lord for the Holy Spirit’s guidance and discernment in what these men say have and what your have written. I am not against you, but concerned for you and will be praying for you.

    Comment by Nila | March 11, 2008

  27. Nila: did you even bother reading my article which said specifically in great detail why I have problems with their prophecies? It’s because they contradict scripture in teaching and also in other things. I never once I have said I have a problem with the judgment aspects of a prophecy ‘against’ America or anywhere else, or that God can speak, or even that God can send angels – please read what I say before you criticise me! I ALSO had a problem with the person who prophesies the president is going to be this and that – I am guessing you mean Kim Clement.

    If your cousin had a visit from an angel, I hope she tested it according to biblical standards and she wasn’t lied to by an angel appearing ‘as an angel of light’.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 11, 2008

  28. Actually no, I didn’t read it, my husband read it to me. I have asked the Lord questions in dreams, and when your in the presence of a holy angel, there is no question about it. If you say they are false prophets, then their prophecies on the judgment of America is false as well as everything else, think about it. A lie is a lie.

    Good bye, Nila

    Comment by Nila | March 11, 2008

  29. Nila

    Please read up what the Bible says about discernment and testing the spirits. It’s not as simplistic as you’re implying, nor are lies. You need to wake up to what deception is.

    There are false prophets, always have been and always will be. The nature of them is there is often some truth mixed in with their lies and false theology. Because I say that these guys are false does not mean I disagree with absolutely everything they ever say!

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 11, 2008

  30. Greetings in the name of Jesus.
    I found your site viva Google and have been reading your comments on the visions of Damitri Duduman. When I first ran accross his works many years ago I had an unsettled feeling about these visions of his. Especially the rough way the angels talked to Dimitri and threatened him. A few years back I had been listening to a short wave program and it was a sister in Christ reading prophecies on the judgment of America. She was reading Dimitri’s prophecy about the war with Irag stating up again and when she read that Soddum Husaien would use nukes on Israel she went silent then stumbled over the rest of the prophecy. She knew and I knew that the war had taken place and no nukes were fired at Israel. I have read books that have made prophetic statments or dates that did not come to pass and they have gone back and rewrote or edited thier books. The untimely deaths of damitri and his wife and the way they dieded (cancer) disturbs me.
    Sinscerly Ed Hintz

    Comment by Edward J. Hintz | March 11, 2008

  31. Ed: how do you think the angels were threatening or were rough?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 11, 2008

  32. They would say to Damitri if you don’t obey we will punish you, some thing on that order. Not just once if I remember corectly each time they appeared to him. Why would they have to talk like that to a servant of God who has already suffered such things that he says he suffered at the hands of the Romainian Police. Angels are sent to us to minister to us as heir of salvation. The only one that comes to mind that Gabrel sealed the mouth of zack. John the Baptist father was for unbeleif. I have yet an angel appear to me. I get my instrutions and revelation in prayer, the scriptures, and dreams Joel 2 I’m 76 yrs old. I love the Lord who first loved me even when I was in sin. When Jesus says go I go When He says stay or wait I obey. Obediance is better that sacrifice.
    I am enlighten by your web site and love you and your stand for truth inspite of rejection and misunderstanding, hated with out a cause does these thing sound familiar shall we not follow in the foot steps of our Father.
    Your Brother Ed Hintz
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

    Comment by Edward J. Hintz | March 12, 2008

  33. “if you don’t obey we will punish you”

    The Life Guard-
    “…Give My words as I give them to you or I will punish you as I will punish them, for I am the Lord and I have spoken it.” Winter 2006

    Comment by Nila | March 12, 2008

  34. I have been with Dumitru Dudumans ministry Hand Of Help almost 20 years. I have to say that I never worked with a more humble servant of God nor more accurate in words from the Lord. I traveled with him in America and in Romania and everything God showed him from sin in the church, sexual sin in the ministry, was 100 percent accurate. His words from God whether through the Angel of God or in dreams are coming to pass right before our eyes. The words about the filling of the pages did not set dates but time frames. There is also no word from God his wife would take over the ministry. The one being presumptuous is Miriam Franklin. Michael Boldea as well has been a humble vessel who is careful before he releases words from God. As far as praying twice for confirmation this is what a true servant of God does. I find it amazing she denigrates Dumitru over this as many so called Prophets of God in America set dates fleece the flock and never pray for confirmations and some are caught in adultery and still consider themselves to be Prophets. Their dates come and go but as one who knew the manner of these mens lives I endorce 100 percent God spoke and speaks through these vessels of the Lord.
    Bro Geno

    Comment by Geno Schmidt | March 12, 2008

  35. Geno:

    I’m not being ‘presumptious’ Geno – I haven’t ‘presumed’ anything, rather I’ve tested and weighed the prophets and their prophecies as commanded to by scripture, and I find both of your ministry’s star prophets lacking for the reasons stated. Was that very sinful and presumptious of me? to trust the Word of God over the Word of Duduman and Boldea as I know Dudman’s word wins everytime with you and other folk linked to you – it must do, as you think it ok for them to contradict the apostle John’s visions in that dusty old neglected book, the Bible? Naughty me for believing the good book instead of Duduman, how very presumptious and erroneous of me.

    But a true prophet and his ministry would know God never contradicts himself. The word of the Lord endures forever.

    Why don’t you be honest and face facts and live in the light instead of hiding things or double speaking after the fact? You and I both know what Duduman said and didn’t say on certain matters. There’s no such things as ‘little white lies’, coverups or ignoring facts in the Lord’s book – this is actually called ’sin’ and ‘not living in the light’. You may genuinely think you’re doing the Lord’s work, but the Lord doesn’t need you to lie or coverup for Him – far from it! Live in the light and live in the truth and face those niggles! Be honest with yourself and with the world!

    You know Dudman date-set just as well as I do – the whole world can see it in his book. There’s other things I know other people have said he falsely prophesied too re datesetting when he came to speak in person to their churches that I did not include in the article.

    You may despite the contradictions genuinely believe Dudaman to have been anointed of God and will thus make excuses for him, but does he stand up to scriptural tests and the test of time? – the answer is NO, No, No. He doesn’t, and his supposed angels certainly do not either. But the word of the Lord endures forever, so what’s wrong? Oh yeah, it wasn’t actually the word of the Lord he spoke, it was a distortion of it (at best), which is my point all along. At best, there’s been naivity and delusion, at worst, intentional deception and charlatanism, going on in one or more persons (dead or alive) at Hand of Help Ministries for far too long. I dare to say it because this is true and by not living in the light you and the ministry, whether you realise it or not, perpetuate this lie.

    What’s this below, if not date-setting?

    We won’t say exactly, but it probably means that in another 3 years a great massacre will occur.

    and

    Two men ’opened a great book and said, “Do you remember how many pages were left to fill when I showed you last time? Now, there is but one page left. When this is completed, what I have told you will happen …..” The man proceeded to tell me that the time it would take for this page to be filled, would not be longer, but shorter.‘

    There’s a whole catalogue of errors I listed in the above article, not just one or two small minor things. The datesetting, actually is the least of my worries. It is the whole thrust of his bad theology, and the evident contradictions in how/what he claims the angels told him, etc.

    Good on him that he did not commit adultery, but that still does not make him a true prophet of God. If he was humble, ditto – though the ones that people claim are the most humble usually are not, funny enough. I have met many humble heretics and false prophets. His character or holiness is not the test itself. Hannaniah was quite holy and good and very well meaning but was still judged for being a false prophet.

    Why don’t you actually answer the numerous scriptural points made above instead of saying I’ve been presumptious when you know I have not been? If you or your ministry disagree with me scripturally, then come, let’s reason together. If I have erred in what I said, let’s talk. But don’t say ‘I can’t believe you’re saying this, he was such a holy man, how dare you touch the Lord’s anointed! as that is just what you are effectively saying – and that holds no biblical water. If the apostle Paul commended the noble minded Bereans for testing his teaching, then how much more will I test Duduman or Boldea or any other man or woman alive or dead? Do you think these men exempt because they claim angels speak to them? Is this how they avoid all accountability? This certainly impresses the ignorant, just like false prophet, Choo Thomas’s silly spiritual manifestations impress the ignorant, but they don’t impress me! I can see past them – why can’t you? Why don’t you refute false teaching and error as the Bible commands, even when this error is found in YOUR own ministry? Because then perhaps, it all comes tumbling down around you like a pack of cards, for if Duduman’s angels misrepresented one thing, they could have misrepresented everything else. But we both know God’s angels are not men that that should lie – nor do they get things wrong. Why then will you continue to accept these angels, for they are not of the Lord? Do you care which angels you ’serve’?

    >>As far as praying twice for confirmation this is what a true servant of God does.

    ?? Really. This is not a proper biblical test, Geno. It may be what Duduman claims happens or is a true bibical test, so you’ll say it’s what a true prophets does, but its actually nonsense, and proof of nothing, just like many of his other false claims.

    Why don’t YOU follow scripture, Geno, over other men’s reputations, and apply real scriptural tests to your prophets and their beliefs instead of following them and trusting them blindly. Have YOU ever tested the spirits as John commands or do you just accept what you’re told without question? Or is just too much money and acclaim to relinquish? The Hand of Help Ministry and The Prophecy Club brings in a lot of money, does it not?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 12, 2008

  36. I will finish by saying your rhetoric and calling these brethren star prophets proves you are someone who is bitter and unfortunately mis-informed. To argue with you is to bring oneself to a childs level but for sure all that God showed these brethren will happen. These men do and did the work of God without ever regarding silver and gold and I know for sure God is with this Michael Boldea and was the one who sent Dumitru to America. I find your reaction to my comment on these mens manner of life without merit as you never once took the time to know them and talk with them just to malign them.
    Bro Geno

    Comment by Gene Schmidt | March 12, 2008

  37. Gene

    It does not make me bitter, or misinformed. I state facts, you may mislike my language but that is exactly how they are viewed – as ’star prophets’, expecially by the Prophecy Club, and especially by your Hand of Help website. (I also may disagree about an intentional liar and a charlatan being one of my brethren but that’s another matter). Your ministry would not be the same, and would probably not even exist at all without Duduman, not would it get the money it gets, or have its fame or renown. Why don’t you be honest here? You guys ‘trade’ off the back of them, however well meaning or sincere you or they are/were or you or they aren’t/weren’t.

    These men may have not done their work for silver or gold, (although I’ll go so far as to say at least one has intentionally lied at least once for whatever reason, and that lacks integrity) and they even may be very sincere and even ‘holy’ men, BUT it is an undeniable fact it is a large money spinner and you have your job because of it, and many others in the ministry ditto.

    Again, why don’t you be honest here? Can’t you speak the truth? Are you so lost in covering things up it becomes as second nature to you without even thinking? For God’s sake live in the light and face facts – or are you that blinded and corrupted?

    Their sincerity, or intention is not proof of the fact whether they speak the truth, or are true prophets. I asked you, did you weigh their words according to scripture and if not, why not – and your silence on this issue speaks volumes, you hypocrit.

    You say the same thing as all the other false prophets do – you say I did not know them so have no right to weigh their words. What has that to do with anything? I did not know mormon founder Joseph Smith but I can still read his writings (original and revised) and determine he is a false prophet. I never met Shaker Ann Lee but can likewise do the same about her and many other false prophets and teachers too. So why are Boldea and Duduman any different? If I said I had discerned they were true you’d have embraced me with open arms, you just look for an excuse to oppose and undermine me, you hypocrit. Can’t you take the test of the word of God. What are you afraid of from the Word? The word reveals all, doesn’t it my friend, and shows your ministry for what it is – based on lies and deceit.

    THESE MEN’S WORDS CONTRADICT THE BIBLE. Is that Ok with you? Hallelujah anyway? Just who do the angels belong to (if they indeed are real and not deceptions)?

    I don’t malign these men, though I do speak the truth about them – nor do I do it for the sake of it, but for very a real reason. I wish both of them were true prophets. I hate hypocrisy, lies and deceit and these guys blind almost the whole church’s eyes and so false teaching slips into the church unawares. I don’t malign them – I state the facts, they contradict scripture in both word and practice.

    But I’m so naughty and childish – according to you – for loving the word of God more than your hypocrisy, lies and deciet. Yeah that figures. To answer scripture for scripture is not at child’s level. You are an ignorant man, lost in I don’t know what, but wake up and snap to it. Isn’t pleasing God and walking in the truth and light more important than your reputation and fighting for an ever losing cause? Wake up man! Your answer really proves your character, not mine. If I’m wrong, then answer scripturally instead of making unbiblical defences. There’s only one person here being noble minded, and it’s not you. Perhaps I was right about my gut feeling all along – that Duduman was not merely deluded but an intentional liar and charlatan all along, which is why there are so many contradictions in his word (as most liars tend to contradict themselves, only the truthful don’t contradict for they cannot contradict if they relay a completely true account, can they? – and Duduman has no excuse if he saw things at least twice and was told by angels….). If you love the truth more than Duduman’s and your reputation, then for God’s sake, Gene stand up for truth and prove me wrong about at least you!

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 12, 2008

  38. I saw your comments to Geno and your request for him to give you an answer. I know Geno. He’s very busy and I’m sure he won’t mind if I attempt to give you an answer.

    Most of the outline headers are your comments. I intended to go back through Scripture and nail down the exact chapter and verse for each of my references, but I’m sure you know enough of the Word to understand what I’m referring to.

    So here it goes.

    I.“Duduman also claims to have had each dream TWICE”
    A.If you read through all his visions you’ll find that not all of them were given, or requested twice.
    B.Gideon put out a fleece…twice. He also made the request to God; which God obliged.
    C.Isaiah gave Hezekiah a sign to validate the prophecy. If I remember correctly, Hezekiah said what is it for the sun to go forward, make it go back.
    II.“Duduman claimed that his way of seeing if any of his dreams truly came from God was to pray, ‘Lord if that is from you, let me dream that again. Of course, that is not the Biblical test or standard for testing either a spirit or a prophecy, and opens one up to all sorts of error, fantasy and delusions. One also has to question the fact that God and his angels would consistently agree to this. God is the one in control in this sense, not way. Are we led to believe then, that exactly the same questions were asked in exactly the same way in each dream? This claim alone causes me to doubt the truthfulness of the testimony, as this would just not happen in reality. (continued in point III).”
    A.What are the Biblical standards for testing a just received prophecy to see if it was truly from God; aside from the obvious test of it becoming fulfilled?
    i.Isaiah and Hezekiah – the moving back of the clock
    ii.Gideon – Putting out a fleece
    a)Both of these men requested a confirmation from the Lord and received it.
    iii.Thomas requested proof of the resurrection and was given it without rebuke or chastisement.
    B.Apparently there isn’t a one-size-fits-all sign. It seems to be at the persons request; which God seemed happy to oblige.
    III. “You’d ask differant questions after thinking or praying on it after the first night, or you’d maybe see things with a slightly differant spin on them, or you’d try and gain more understanding or interact in a slightly differant way with God or the angels the second time around. However, all these facts notwithstanding, these dreams and visions of Dudaman’s could have been tested by any discerning mind against scripture and found to be false if following the proper biblical standards. Why few people, if any, have done this bemuses ”
    A.To speculate on what you would do after having received a vision is to presume you would know what to do.
    B.Many of the prophets responded differently to a prophecy.
    C.I don’t think you could predict how you would respond to such an event.
    IV.Seeing the angel Gabriel
    A.This doesn’t disqualify his visions, but would be suspect if many other inconsistencies where found.
    V.“ For example, he makes sure to mention that he was ‘bathed in sweat’ or he ‘was so afraid he could not sleep the rest of the night’ etc, another indicitive of possible intentional fraud, for a true prophet would know that these manifestations were neither here nor there, but to the undiscerning mind it sounds ’spicy’ and ’supernatural’. I do not think God would leave him in such a fearful state like he claims either”
    A.Elijah (or Elisha, or some prophet) sat along the river bank stunned for a several days after a vision.
    B.Isaiah feared and tremble over what he was seeing
    C.I can’t remember, but some other prophet was physically sick after what he just saw.
    D.Paul was shaken for several days after meeting Christ on the road.
    VI.“experienced; the visionary though in some sort of an altered state would be fully concious and able to respond and would not be in a normal dreamstate”
    A.The apostle Paul said whether in spirit or out of the spirit I do not know
    VII.“In one instance the angels allegedly told a sick Dumitru Duduman that he would be healed to preach again for a long time and that when he did eventually die, his ministry would be continued by his wife. (This idea of keeping a ministry in the family is not Biblical in itself, another thing that troubles me about this clan of prophets”
    A.I haven’t found anything, anywhere that supports your statement.
    B.Where is your documentation?
    C.If you cannot produce any, this puts your credibility into question.
    VIII. Vision of Dumitru Duduman received November 29, 1996 – “I won’t say exactly” and “It probably means…”
    A.Even though it sounds questionable; they didn’t remove it from the website. A false prophet would attempt to cover up their mistakes.
    B.Mexico, Cuba, or the Alaskan border is where destruction will come from, and not where a massacre would occur.
    C.In the book of Revelation, the seven thunders were sounded, but John was not allowed to write them down leaving us guessing. Why would God draw our attention to something and then cloak it or obscure it? This could be a similar incident.
    D.There is just not enough information here to firmly declare this to be a false prophecy.
    IX. “Where in the Bible would you find one of God’s messengers giving a confused message like this.”
    A.Everywhere
    B.Jesus was to be born in Bethlehem, called out of Egypt, and yet known as the Nazarene. Very confusing to those before Christ, but understood after the event.
    C.Daniel was confused when he received a message. It was not clear to him nor was it for him.
    D. Some of the prophets were confused by what they saw.
    X.“Anyway these predictions given to him regarding his wife taking over the ministry were proven false 4 to 5 months later when his wife died. He then died several months later, all of this proving that these angels were wrong.”
    A.Again…please produce the documentation or your credibility is called into question.
    XI.“4 Pages Remaining”
    A.The pages are not a time line, but a book that records the names of those Gentiles that receive Christ.
    B.The Bible does mention books (Rev. – judged out of the books) that have information recorded in them
    C.The Bible does mention the time of the Gentiles being fulfilled.
    D.But nothing here indicates a specific date being set. Only that 4 pages remain in a book
    XII.“The time between these visions is four and a half years, and Dumitru Dudman claims it will be less time than these four and a half years before the end of the time of the Gentiles and the return of Christ”
    A.No comparison is directly made with respect to the time between the two visions, it just says “that the time it would take for this page to be filled, would not be longer, but shorter”
    B.Shorter then what? Shorter then what it took to fill 3 pages? It’s not very clear as to what it means.
    C.From a Biblical standpoint, many prophecies where obscure until they were fulfilled; (i.e. seen through a glass darkly, we only see in part, etc).
    XIII.“Soon approaching’ – this is obviously very wrong -why? Satan already comes against the Saints and has done so for centuries – that is why the Bible says the devil prowls round like a roaring lion looking for those he can devour, we must be wary to the devil’s schemes and put on our spiritual armour daily, weild the sword of the word and submit to God, resist the devil and the devil will flee from us. WE ARE ALREADY IN A SPIRITUAL WAR! However, the devil also makes physical war against the Saints and has done so for many years and has had the power to overcome them through the beast of Rome. History is full of the blood of millions of martyrs, yet according to Duduman and Boldea this war is only future tense. This is not true.”
    A.Revelation talks about the Devil fighting against the saints.
    i.Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
    ii.Rev 13:7 speaks of an end time war with the saints, in which he will overcome them.
    iii.Therefore, there is nothing inconsistent with scripture to speak of future preparation for a future war against the saints.
    XIV.“We’ll see if they will be able to stand up against me…’ Christians are not able to stand up against Satan in the flesh, but only by being hidden in Christ Jesus and overcoming via the blood of the lamb and the words of their testimony. I also debate that Satan fights against Christ. He does not, for Christ’s work is finished and Satan is defeated by Christ and has been hurled down from heaven consequently – Satan’s head was crushed by Jesus 2000 years ago. Satan the dragon fights the church though, and has power to overcome the saints in persecution.”
    A.Nothing in the text states that Christians will fight him in the flesh.
    B.In another prophecy ( May 7th, 1993 – The Black Army) the Christians are told to take up their swords (the Word of God) and fight against Satan.
    C.Revelation 17:13-14 says that the beast and his followers (kings of the earth) will make war with the Lamb which is Christ.
    i.These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. (Rev 17:13-14)
    XV.“Now this is false. The prophet Daniel says that the Beast will overcome the ‘Holy people’, and the righteous Saints, that he will make war with them and have the power to overcome them……..”
    A.Biblical precedent set for sparing a remnant:
    i.The righteous Israelites were spared even though the Babylonians overcame the city.
    ii.The righteous Christians in Jerusalem where spared from the Romans in 70 AD when they overcame Jerusalem
    iii.Righteous Noah and his family were spared from the flood that overcame the earth
    B.Biblical precedent for martyrdom / persecution / tribulation:
    i.The godly shall suffer persecution
    ii.Many of the faithful Christians were martyred by the Romans
    iii.Many faithful Christians are martyred today
    C.Biblical precedent for some making it all the way through to the end and not dying
    i.The rapture
    D.Your argument seems to be somewhat baseless. You accuse him of arguing from one side while you argue from the other. The Bible speaks of both depending on the conditions and according to God’s sovereign will.
    XVI. Questions about protection and persecution of saints in the Tribulation (The Beast Strikes – Jan 21, 1995)
    A.Dumitru’s highlighted statement by the commentator:
    i.“A majority of my people will be overtaken and trampled because their lives are not clean before their Lord”
    ii.“…that in the day of the Beast’s anger I may be able to save them, so they would not deny me”
    iii.“This is the army I have prepared to save my people from the Beast’s grasp”
    B.Commentator stated; “. The Bible does NOT say that the Saints that are persecuted and martyred or otherwise punished by the evil one’s army are lesser Christians. In fact, it states the opposite. ‘Lesser’ Christians will apostasise and be safe.
    i.Commentator does admit that some will make it through to the end; therefore this group of people will be protected:
    a)“These martyrs are not saved by a mighty physical army – if only it were so! Though some Saints still alive shall rejoice at the sight of the Lord appearing in the clouds with his mighty army right at the very end of the tribulation, when they shall be raptured up with him in the air, and then the Beast and the false prophet will be destroyed.”
    ii.Scripture mentions the Lord using the wicked to punish his people for their sins to cause them to repent of their sins.
    a)The Assyrians
    b)The Babylons
    c)The Romans (not directly, but by a prophecy from Christ for their denial of Him)
    iii.Scripture also mentions Paul turning brethren over to Satan so that they would learn to not blaspheme the Lord and hopefully be saved from judgment.
    iv.God has used a number of methods to punish his people so they would be made clean
    a)King David’s sin caused a plague to be sent against the nation of Israel for his taking of a census.
    b)Israel losing the battle at Ai because of Akins sin.
    c)Elijah asking the Lord to open Elisha’s eyes (I think it was Elisha) so he could see the vast angelic army that was protecting them from physical harm.
    d)An angel went throughout the Assyrian came killing several thousand men, in essence protecting them physically.
    e)The Lord confusing armies, causing them to kill each other physically.
    v.Therefore God can and does intervene physically to protect the saints during certain times. Therefore, why not in the end to bring forth a remnant that will see him coming in the clouds.
    C.“Lesser” Christians will apostatize, but they won’t be safe.
    i.Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
    ii.Apostate Christians receiving plagues is not a “safe” place to be.
    D.“There is no divine protection against martyrdom, and never has been since the 1st century (though God does sometimes rescue his Saints in certain circumstances from death).”
    i.You contradict yourself in your own statement. No divine protect….except for some divine protection.
    ii.Foxes Book of Martyrs records many Christians in the middle ages that were divinely protected from Martyrdom, but it also records many that went to their death.
    iii.Brother Yun (read the book “The Heavenly Man”) was divinely protected many times from death.
    iv.Richard Wurmbrand (founder of Voice of the Martyrs) was divinely protect from martyrdom during his time in Communist prisons.
    E.“So only the ‘bad’ Christians are destroyed by the evil one in the last days then? This disagrees with the Bible. There is a lot of a works-centred theology running through Duduman’s prophecies, indeed self-righteousness, and this theme is sadly consistent”
    i.Psalm 91 speaks of divine protection through troubled times for those that remain faithful.
    ii.Rev 7 and 14 speak of the 144,000 that are sealed and protected through the tribulation. There is much dispute over who these people are along with the number; is it symbolic, or literal. But what doesn’t seem to be disputed is a divine protection over them
    a)Their description is one of being undefiled and holy.
    iii.You need to read through his books, watch his video’s, and listen to their many radio broadcasts to understand that neither Dumitru, nor Michael preach a work’s based salvation. It is however a faith that does work like the book of James speaks about.
    XVII.Commenting on vision Book of Gentiles, Nov 7, 1993; “Jesus, of course, wants to save everyone. Whether they will have it or not is another “
    A.This is true. God wishes that no man should perish but all come to repentance.
    B.But it is also true that God does give the unrepentant over to a reprobate mind.
    C.God also will not listen to the cries of the wicked when they call out to Him with an unrepentant heart.
    XVIII.Commenting on vision Examine Your Heart Dec 9, 1993 and Letters to the Churches March 1994; “Yet the Bible says that GOD delays the time of the end, that as many will be saved as possible. It says the days of the great tribulation will be shortened, for the sake of the saints, but this is another thing entirely”
    A.Here is another moment were you seem to contradict yourself.
    B.The context for many of these visions is the Great Tribulation; which you agree that the time will be shortened.
    C.Therefore, you do agree with his statement, but don’t seem to want to.
    XIX.“His God seems to take great delight in saying ‘you’ll burn’”
    A.Many non-Christians and un-educated Christians say the same thing about God in the Old Testament. The reason they say that is because they don’t read the Scriptures for themselves.
    B.The reason you would say this about Dumitru is because you haven’t read his other material.
    C.The OT prophets spoke judgment for the sake of calling the nation to repentance.
    D.The majority of Dumitiru’s and Michaels message is one of repentance.
    E.Go to YouTube and just listen to one of his sermons and you’ll see what I mean:
    a) http://www.youtube.com/user/HandOFHelpWarnings
    XX.“ All biblical prophets when warning of impending judgment always called the church and the world to repentance, prayer and activity, and yet I do not see this thread running anywhere in these visions. I do not see a true prophets words because of these reasons too.”
    A.You must not be reading the same thing I’m reading
    i.http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_1.php
    a)Because of all the sin, I have left some of the churches. You must yell in a loud voice that they must put an end to their sinning. They must turn toward the Lord. The Lord never gets tired of forgiving. They must draw close to the Lord, and live a clean life. If they have sinned until now, they must put an end to it, and start a new life as the Bible tells them to live.”
    ii.http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_6.php
    a)The voice also said, “There will be a time of preparation for the people. The ones who need to repent should do it now, before it is too late. The time without trouble will last until the total number of the chosen is fulfilled.” (Obadiah 1:4)
    iii.http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_11.php
    a)”Do not cease to tell people to fear me and draw closer to me…”
    b)Do not forget to tell everyone to worship God with all their heart.”
    iv.http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_13.php
    a)On the morning of July 4, 1991, I was counseled by the Holy Spirit who told me this: “What I ask of my people is to keep peace in their hearts. I do allow trials to come over them. This is to keep them humble. Do not wait, but try to get closer to God. For hard days are at hand when a powerful darkness will set over this country. Wickedness and sin have reached their end, and the Almighty and Righteous One will take revenge on the sin. Be holy, and draw near the Lord with your life and a clean heart – with fasting and praying – so I can spare you in the days of trouble. The day of the Holy One’s terrible wrath is getting close, and everyone will receive their just reward; for God is a righteous judge. Do not be lazy, but come before me on your knees more often.”
    v.http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_18.php
    a)”Tell my people to be prepared and be careful,” says the Lord, “for everything I have decided will happen. Do not say in your hearts that the Lord has said many things that have not happened yet because all things are decided by Me and everything has it’s appointed time. Draw closer to the Lord your God and cease doing evil things that I may give you victory. I the Lord will work in ways that you cannot even imagine, but be holy.”
    vi.http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_30.php
    a)The angel gave me a scripture: Joel 2:12-13, “Now therefore says the Lord, Turn to Me with all your heart, with fasting, with weeping and with mourning. So rend your heart, and not your garments; Return to the Lord your God for He is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness; and He relents from doing harm.”
    vii.Etc., etc., etc.,
    a)Read and listen to all his visions, books, videos, radio broadcasts, articles, etc. and you’ll find the call “… to repentance, prayer and activity” that you accuse him of not doing.
    XXI.“I commentated on Michael Boldea’s post on the four horsemen on his blog some time ago, in a short and respectful manner, that I agreed with him that the church was not prepared and we must prepare as great devastation was coming to the earth, but I said that day we must stand for truth was already here today (as it always has been). Too many people look to tomorrow and ignore the importance of today when antichrist systems are already in place and decieving the masses today. We do not just stand for truth in the very last days of the end times alone as the final Beasts and Antichrist are revealed but now also.”
    A.Mike has been preaching a message of repentance for over 20 years. I would say that he is standing for the truth…TODAY.

    Comment by Jeff | March 14, 2008

  39. Will you be re-posting my outlined comments?

    I have read through the many postings with your request for people to comment point by point on what you said. I put it in outline form for that reason; even though it didn’t copy and paste very well. I was using Open Office to write it and still have a saved copy of it.

    If some of my comments were unclear I can expound upon them further. I found you website late at night and didn’t take a great deal of time to expound on every point. I figured you would understand which scriptures I was referring to, even if I had some incorrect names/places, etc.
    Thanks,
    Jeff

    Comment by Jeff | March 14, 2008

  40. Well that was weird…just as soon as I posted my question the other comments popped up. Hmmm…

    Comment by Jeff | March 14, 2008

  41. Final words to you and I shall not bother you again, nor shall I visit your site, it was by accident that I came across it. I have been in much prayer for all of you since I came across this site and I pray that I see you all in that day of eternity with our Lord and Savior (Yeshua Messiac) Jesus the Christ.

    *A Warning to the Church-
    God is tired of the Church playing Church, instead of being the Church!!!

    The church has left Me their first love. You compromise and conform with the things of this world, rather than conforming to Me. And I Will Not Compromise!!! But how can the world come to know Me through you, when you are no different form them? Rev. 2:4-5

    There is a day of trouble coming and it is upon you even now, and there are those in the body of Christ that will not be able to stand when the fire of this day comes. You will look for Me and seek after Me, but you will not be able to find Me, for you will be in a dry place that is afar off from Me. Rom. 5:8-9, Zeph. 1:14-18, Amos 5:14-20, 8:11-12, Dan. 3:1-30 (22-27), Jer. 10:10

    My word says- “If My people which are called by My name shall humble themselves and pray, and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and forgive their sin and heal their land.” II Chr. 7:14

    Humble yourselves before Me now My people and seek Me now, so that when this day of trouble comes, you will be able to go through the fire and find Me, for many will not be able to stand. II Chr. 34:27, Jam. 4:10, Mat. 18:4, 23:12

    On this day, the world will try to find Me, but they won’t know where to look for Me, as they don’t know Me or My ways. They will seek you out, and as My servant Job had to do for his friends and neighbors, you are to pray for them. Job 42:7-8, Ps. 95:10, Is. 55:8, Mal. 2:4,
    Heb. 3:10

    But how can I hear your prayers, when you call yourself My people, and you yourselves don’t even know who I am? With your lips you say you know Me, when you really don’t. You’d rather believe the words of man, than believing the words that I have spoken to you. You say that I am the name of many gods, that they and I are one of the same. NO I say, I am the One True God and there is no other in heaven or in earth. For they are dead, but I am alive. Mal. 2:17, Jer. 7:8, 10:10, I Tim. 2:5, I Cor. 8:4-6, Deu. 4:39, Is. 44:8, Ex. 20:3, 46:5,9, Jam. 2:9

    You pray and ask for revival and blessings. Tell Me why should I? You do not acknowledge Me in your daily walk and am ashamed to speak of Me outside the gatherings of the body. You praise Me in your churches, but you ignore Me and do not talk to Me or read My word in your daily living. You even curse My Holy name openly and in secret, but then you have the nerve to come into My house and ask me to bless you. Your praises have only become that of lip service to Me. Is. 59:3-4, Mat. 15:7-9, Jam. 3:8-10, Ex. 20:7, Mal. 2:1-3

    You, yourselves have made your own prayers and requests null and void, for you ask Me in disbelief. You ask for blessings, healings, and salvation, but after you have made your request known, you say these things and people can’t and will never change. How can I answer your requests, when you have canceled your requests out with your own words? Ps. 66:18, Heb. 3:12, Mat. 6:5-6, 9:24, 13:58, 17:14-21

    You withhold your tithes and offerings from Me, making excuses. Therefore you withhold your own financial blessings, forsaking what I have for you instead. You double minded people, you take what you say you don’t have, then go and buy your lotteries and get rich schemes. Don’t you know that you are rich in Me? Acts 5:1-10

    Your houses and minds have become sewers. For in secret you hide your filth from Me and from the eyes of My people, while professing to live for Me. You watch and listen to the perversion of this world on your TV’s and radios. You hide things in secret on your computers, using secret words to hide your deeds. Do you not remember My Word, that nothing is hid from Me? Return to Me now and repent, from there are consequences for your ways if you do not turn to Me now. Luke 12:2-3, 8:17, Mark 4:22, Mat. 10:26-27, Job 42:2, Jer. 7:8-11, 23:24, II Tim. 3:16, Jam. 3:8-10

    You have even forgotten how to pray to Me. When others seek you out and ask you to pray for them, you do not know how, for you have separated yourselves from Me. Is. 59:2

    You do a work in My name that I have called you to do, but you have forgotten Me in this and have placed yourselves instead in My high seat of honor, and received the glory meant for Me. I tell you that I do not share My glory with anyone else. But I have longed to shower you with My blessings to overflowing, but how can I do so when you choose to receive the glory meant for Me and the blessings of man above Mine? Is. 24:21, Obad. 3-4, Rev. 4:11, Mal. 2:1-3, Deu. 32:4

    I am a jealous God, and I tell you the truth that I will remove you from your high places of honor meant for Me. So do not be surprised when you see these things happen, for I have already raised up a people to take your place, and I will receive My glory! Repent now, for I am already moving against you and your ways. Ex. 20:5, Mal. 2:1-3

    Woe to you ministers of the Word. But what word are you speaking, as they are not My words. This word that you speak is foreign to Me. You do not teach My ways, but rather the ways of division within the body. You are more concerned about denominational doctrine, rather than My doctrine. Mal. 1:6-8, 12-13, 2:1-3, Jer. 23, II Tim. 3:16, Rom. 10:14, Mat. 15:9

    You refuse to acknowledge the Holy Spirit, or to teach My people of Him and His gifts and power that is given to you from on High. Therefore your works are that of just works done in vain, without His leading, guidance, or power. Eph. 4:30, II Thes. 4:8

    You are more worried about being politically correct, than being Biblically correct. For you close your eyes and condone the shedding of innocent young blood. Politics are man made and only for a time, but My ways are law and eternal. Is.59:3-4,7

    You worry more about offending people with My Word, rather than worrying about giving them My Word and feeding their souls. You do not warn those of their perversion and their blood is on your hands. Jer. 23:2

    You depend on your government to do the work that I have called the Church to do. You close your ears to the cries of those in need. You turn your head and close your eyes, saying that you do not see or know of their hurt. As you have turned away from them, so I am turning away from you. Jam. 1:22-25, 2:14-17

    Repent!!! Stop polluting, perverting and defiling My people, for you are misleading them. My Word and hand is strong and moving against you even now. For I have already raised Me up a people, even children to take your place, who will do My bidding, to teach My Word and My Ways, and to lead My people back to Me. Mal. 1:12-13, 2:1-7,
    Zeph. 2:1-3, Dan. 9:3-19

    Do not think that you will not be judged as the others and will escape My Word, for My Word is true. Humble yourselves before Me now and repent. Repent now and do My work that I have called you to do since the days of old. There is no time left, for harvest time is now. Jer. 23:2, 51:23-24 2/18/03

    *The House has to Repent-
    The house of God has to repent and Repent Now!

    The house of God has to get off the milk and get onto the meat of God’s Word, or it will not be able to stand against what is coming, for it stands on the threshold of death at this very moment and doesn’t even realize it.

    “They, the church, will vomit the meat of My Word on this day, due to the reality of what has happened and they will ask themselves how did this thing come to be? They will be as a starving people who cannot handle solid food, for when it is introduced into their stomach they vomit it out. They will have to be spoon fed in small amounts, to be able to tolerate what is given them. For they will be a starved people and will hunger after the food that they have turned up their noses at for so long, saying, “I don’t like that,” and became as a child picking at it’s food.” Prov. 23:7-8, Heb. 5:12-15, 13:9, Eph. 4:14, Rom. 15:18, Is. 28:9

    “They did not seek after My Truth, so it is that they will not be able to come out from the grasp of what has happened, for they did not believe those that tried to give them the meat of My Word. They laughed at the love I have for them. They laughed and scorned those that gave the meat, while thinking within themselves that they could follow their own way instead.” Jer. 51:41, 47
    “The house of God will then turn their heart back to their God and truly learn how to worship Me in Spirit and in Truth, but not without penalty. But what god are they lusting after now?” Jer. 25:5-6

    The house of God has to repent and Repent Now! 2/1/04 and re-spoken 3/4/04

    *Answer to My Confusion-
    For months now, I have continuously been confused about the word of the Lord from 4/7/04, I Will Save the Church. In it the Lord said that He would save the church, but then He also said, “…not all shall survive. For a time is appointed unto each man and I shall call many home.” This to me has seemed a play on words, with them apposing each other. I have repeatedly asked the Lord concerning this and today He answered.

    “I will save My church- those whom I know and call by name, those who worship Me with their whole heart and entire being, those who worship Me in Spirit and Truth. These are the ones that shall walk out of the fire in that day, as the 3 Hebrew children walked out of the fire without harm or affect, and the world will marvel at this.”

    “But then the world will ask, ‘How can this be, for many who perished were well known among the people and prominent within the church?’ These are the ones who did not worship Me with their hearts, they did not draw close to Me while there was time. They did not heed the words I gave to My servants the prophets and did not run to safety as My watchmen stood on the wall and blew the horns, sounding the warning. They who called themselves My church, refused to budge from the middle ground remaining lukewarm, while allowing in the things of this world into their synagogues. Thus they perished in the fire of that day and the world shall then know who are truly of Me.” Jam. 4:4

    “The world will then try to seek Me and try to barter with Me, but I will not hear their prayers. They will then seek you, My people out and it is you who shall lay hands on their sick and pray in My name, and they shall recover. But they will not be without penalty, for they did not prepare their hearts before the day of trouble.” Amos 8:11-13

    “In that day, they will be jealous of you and will despise you and seek to destroy you, saying that you brought this on us. But do not despair, for I the Lord your God will be with you in that day and you shall do great exploits in My name.”

    “Seek Me while you can- with all your heart, with all our mind, seek Me in Spirit and in Truth, draw close while there is still time, for there is no time left. Fast and pray, sound the warning to those all around that they too may be saved. I am the Lord that loves you My bride, but how can I save you when you continue to be disobedient to Me and My word. Run and draw close to Me now, that I may save you in that day.” 9/6/06

    You have come up against 3 men of God. Bro. Dumitri, Bro. Michael whom I have met 2 times and is a humble man and Bro. Geno a true servant of our Lord and also works outside the ministry to help pay his bills. I visited Hand of Help this past December and I saw a small old warehouse that was not laberately furnished, as one would think from seeing pictures of other ministries. They get by with what the Lord has supplied to them and they don’t complain for their lack, but consider it enough and rejoice for what they have, utilizing it to their abilities.

    I fear for you Miriam.

    Matthew 10:11-15 “And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. And when ye come into an house, salute it. And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.”

    Comment by Nila | March 14, 2008

  42. Nila

    >>I fear for you Miriam.

    You ‘fear’ for me – why, what kind of superstition and ‘touch not my anointed’ kind of garbage is that? The things I’ve said have all been biblically based – I’ve used sound argument and logic based on the scriptures and reasoning and historical fact. I’m the one obeying scipture here to test and weigh EVERYTHING as well as to test the spirits. I’ve invited people to answer scripturally back where I’m wrong if they think I’m wrong but that hasn’t happened yet – just off topic points made mingled with insults and character slurs and threats. Charming!

    I’m also not rejecting either Christ or the gospel, you fool, I’m rejecting false teachers and false prophets, so don’t go twisting scriptures like the one in Matthew at me to threaten me to keep quiet – that is grossly abusive and manipulative. Anybody would think by the way you guys are persecuting me, that I’ve made these things up! (I haven’t, they are well documented).

    The apostle Paul never warned the Bereans for testing his words, you arrogant thing, you….so Duduman and Boldea are not exempt from testing, angels and reputation notwithstanding, and should rejoice someone listens enough and cares enough about what is actually said to scrutinise it before swallowing stuff – or should we just swallow blindly? – and they shouldn’t call that person testing their words ‘childish’, more that is the stuff of maturity and integrity, and that person should be commended and called noble minded – not insulted. It’s not my fault that Boldea’s and Duduman’s words and angels don’t come up to meet the scriptural plumbline test and fail, is it? If you’re angry, take the anger out on the one who falsely prophesied and/or got your hopes up – don’t shoot the one who points out the obvious fact that what they’ve said has already failed or will fail as it contradicts scripture – these guys are wrong on certain matters so are spreading delusion and/or lies around – that’s a fact. However well meaning, humble or genuine there people are, error needs to be corrected. If they are genuine servants then they’d appreciate the correction, not get shirty about it.

    Nobody yet has answered the points I made, you keep going on about how humble they are/were. Well bully for them – and they were holy too – great, I’m not being sarcastic but that’s not the issue here. They falsely prophesied including date set which is what the article is on – false prophecy – the article is NOT on humility and holiness.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 15, 2008

  43. ps

    Nila, would you like the whole church to be in so much fear, they dare not raise a voice in protest about what is being preached or prophesied from the pulpits in case they get struck by lightning or something? All hail our noble flawless leaders we must not question, and all that? How does that make us any different from the papists? Why should leaders be put on pedestals like this, aren’t they just fallible men in the need of the body, like you or me?

    The Lord rebuke you, you hypocrit, and may the Lord bring on out the people with noble minds who love truth over all else and will dare to fearlessly question and raise their voice when they hear error – whoever says it, whatever their reputation in the ‘industry’, and however many angels they claim to have seen.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 15, 2008

  44. Jeff

    If you read through all his visions you’ll find that not all of them were given, or requested twice.

    Dudman implies somewhere in his book that from when he first asked ‘let me see this twice’, he saw everything twice. Whether he saw everything twice, or almost everything twice, or only some things twice is neither here nor there – seeing anything twice confirms nothing anyway, it’s ignorant to say this a biblical test, as it’s not.

    Gideon’s fleece is not the same thing as seeing a dream or vision twice. Gideon’s fleece laying was actually a sign of his doubt he was hearing God’s voice over his own – it was not doubting the voice’s words or content (that was clear), more that it was actually doubting whether it was GOD’S voice he heard – hence he looked for supernatural confirmation in his natural world with the fleece and the dew to prove it was from an outside agency - God. NOTE HE DID NOT ASK TO HEAR THE VOICE AGAIN/HAVE ANOTHER VISION – OR ASK TO BE TOLD THE SAME THING AGAIN. Gideon wanted confirmation from outside his own internal world that the God of Israel was really with him and he was not imagining it. God met Gideon’s wishes the first time to prove Himself, and even the second time but from then on in, Gideon did not have to go and lay a fleece each time God spoke to him, he KNEW God was with Him – and God would have been surely angry at such a thing and would NOT have continually complied with such requests in the future.

    I agree that God does answer fleece requests sometimes, but if a child of God is continually fleece laying, it’s a sign of their doubt, immaturity, lack of knowing God or his ways, lack of character and real relationship etc etc. And for Duduman to continue to claim that over an ongoing period he continued to set fleeces, I just do not believe or accept that God would continue to tolerate this over such a long period, He’d have surely said something especially as he was sending angels each time (apparently). Besides which, dreaming/hearing something twice is NOT proper fleece laying or proper testing anyway. Dew on/not on a fleece proves supernatural intervention whereas a dream being dreamt again does not prove supernatual intervention, let alone true divine intervention. Fleecelaying also needs a control, so if it does not happen that must mean something too, yet we apparently no longer have this control if he did not see everything twice. It’s no fleece without a control!

    Again the Hezekiah sign with the sun/shadow, I agree God gives signs many times. But this sign was for the King who lacked faith and wanted a sign (not to Isaiah the prophet who had faith and did not need the sign to know it was His God speaking to Him and did not need to be told anything twice). That’s one big difference already with Duduman. Both the fleece setting and the sun shadow, and even Thomas asking to see the Lord, are in a totally different context to testing and weighing a prophecy, Jeff. There are scriptural guidelines given in Corinthians about weighing prophecy and getting something twice is not one of them (UNLESS it is from two different people).

    My point is that dreaming or seeing anything twice (even if this is a true account and it really happened) is not a true biblical test. It’s not testing the spirits – we don’t see any of that going on in Duduman’s visions, despite the apostle John’s command not to take the spirits as read as many false spirits, prophets and teachers have gone into the world. It’s also not testing any new revelation against the word of God as written in the Bible (essential – where do we see this – Duduman never once mentions this – did he test anything scripturally personally (he can’t have done as he his angels have very bad theology in parts) and did any other folk linked to him test his dreams and if not, why not? Are we supposed to just accept the visions because angels supposedly told all this stuff?), it’s also not testing any revelation against the word of God in our day to day relationship/walk with him in prayer and scriptural meditation etc etc. Because that’s another very worrying thing about the Dudman visions, they are completely stand alone: ‘I dreamt this, the angels said this’ – he does not mention anywhere speaking to God about his visions, praying further into them, any of that which is key and a natural overflow. This is the key thing a genuine prophet is made up of, you can’t help but do it if you’re in a genuine relationship with God – you take things to God, and get further insight while ruminating on them or prophesy or get inspired again while meditating on them. Even with Gideon when he’s off the clock, you see the continual dialogue going on. But Duduman there’s none of this dialogue with God – it’s just ‘angels said this, period’. Why? Is it possibly because it is a made up or groslly embellished account hence all the other contradictions? (You say I didn’t know Duduman personally, well, I wish I did to be able to look into his face as he made his claims and call him on them. I know his testimony lacks truth in parts. At best he exageratted and embellished, at worse he outright intentionally lied. I’ve met many other such well meaning ‘liars’ on the Christian circuit, all exagerating their supernatural experiences and ‘testimonies’ – and when you call them on it, they blush and change their tune or keep quiet. Their lies vary from childish exagerations ‘it was awesome’, to much worse for money or fame, or even misguided faith helping God aline. They think they are doing the right thing by lying but they ain’t, no such thing as white lies ‘thou shalt not bear false witness’.)

    People who don’t have a good relationship with God, or who are not prophetic, perhaps are impressed because they hear ‘dreams’ and ‘angels’, ’supernatural’ – wow! they say and stop there- and they don’t think any further than that or examine it for what it really is. So what if it’s angels speaking, if it contradicts the word of God – so what? I’m not impressed even if he did really see real angels because the angels are not belonging to my Father in Heaven. Not because God can’t speak or send angels, but because the angels don’t know what they’re talking about and lie.

    Someone who does know God, who does have dreams and visons knows there’s far more to prophecy than just ‘having a dream’, and also knows it does not work in the way that is claimed and also knows God’s character on certain matters to say ‘it doesn’t work like that’ or ‘that is contradictory and does not make sense’. I don’t perhaps have to specualte or imagine in the same way as others who do not have this experience as I have been there so the contradictions are thus glaring to me. If someone lied about going up Everest, I possibly wouldn’t know it, unless I’d been up Everest myself and could thus call him on their contradictions about their route taken etc. Then I could say with great assurance ‘you’re lying’ or at least, ‘you’re mistaken’ (or deluded).

    To speculate on what you would do after having received a vision is to presume you would know what to do.

    Well yeah I do ‘presume’, because I get visions and have done so for many years now. And also I know other people who have visons and dreams. While I know everybody is different and one size does not fit all, there are common denominators and also basic human psychology as well as scriptural guidelines. Think about it – if you saw a vision re something as serious as Duduman claims he saw, would you not look more carefully the second time you saw it, ask the angels more the next time etc. Of course you would! Anybody would. If he were genuine, he’d have been mediatating on the first vision a large part of the previous day and asking God about it, searched scripture etc etc anyway even before then, so there should have been that dialogue before too. Do you honestly think that if he went through another identical interactive dream he would not ask for more insight. Of course he would! Anyone would. If there account is true.

    I don’t say that seeing the angel Gabriel disqualifies his visions or means they must be fraudulent. However they certainly raise the bar, if you like, and increase that likelihood, as do those dreams and visions of most people claiming angelic encounters with lower ranking angels in them than Gabriel.

    I agree with you – one can respond to a genuine supernatural experience in a variety of ways including physical weakness, fear, trembling etc, sorrow, fasting. However that was not my actual point. My point was that his EMPHASIS was on these things – ‘look what happened to me, I was covered with sweat after it…’ and that becomes the focus and the source for belief it was divine rather than the actual word or vision content. There is the continual undertone running through on the manifestations: ‘I conversed with angels, and this happened so you should believe me’ rather than GOD SAID this and it;s true. Do you see the subtle but huge difference in focus? I should believe him because he sweats when he dreams? I don’t think so.

    The apostle Paul said whether in spirit or out of the spirit I do not know

    Yeah but he still had his full marbles in that state, and was able to ask questions etc.

    Even though it sounds questionable; they didn’t remove it from the website. A false prophet would attempt to cover up their mistakes.

    There have been a number of revisions and removing from the website and I understand slightly different editions of the book to date.

    You’re continually pointing to the wife thing to try and undermine me. I will try and document this better but in the meantime, just like I told the person before this is a MINOR thing out of many far more serious points. Put it aside for now if it makes you any happier and look at the numerous other points that have all been documented instead that you can’t deny. Look at what he said the angels allegedly told him about himself/his own health: ‘Do not fear you will not leave. You still have work to do.’ Yet he DID leave. etc etc

    please produce the documentation or your credibility is called into question.

    I love the way you Duduman supporters will try to question and undermine my ‘integrity’ when there is ample physical and sciptural evidence you’re supporting false prophets. Why don’t you look at this ample evidence. Just one scripture (if you’re open minded) viewed in its proper context (and you’ve not yet done that) should pull your whole support down for him like a pack of cards.

    In the book of Revelation, the seven thunders were sounded, but John was not allowed to write them down leaving us guessing. Why would God draw our attention to something and then cloak it or obscure it? This could be a similar incident.

    Being shown something by God and not being allowed to speak on it is another thing entirely to saying God or his angels fudged when speaking. I don’t see any ‘probably means’ anywhere in scripture.

    Where in the Bible would you find one of God’s messengers giving a confused message like this.
    A.Everywhere.

    No, not at all – not ever. There may be a clear message that is not understood at the time, but that is competely different to fudging in the message’s original delivery. Also its very clear what he meant about the book pages at the time and afterwards re date setting. And it should also be read in context about what he’s said about what was to happen ‘in three years time’ etc, he obviously thought war was coming then and ‘Armageddon’. Obviously you have to put a new spin on to what he said NOW and look for alternative meanings as the time is long past, but that is not good practice – it lacks integrity. Remember he is supposedly quoting verbatim the angels, its not just him getting the wrong end of the stick.

    Daniel was confused when he received a message. It was not clear to him nor was it for him. Some of the prophets were confused by what they saw.

    Sure, that is normal. But it wasn’t Duduman but the angelic messengers who were apparently confused and fudging! That’s a huge difference.

    A.Revelation talks about the Devil fighting against the saints.

    Yes but Revelation is not just futurist – don’t you understand this? There’s a battle NOW.

    Therefore, there is nothing inconsistent with scripture to speak of future preparation for a future war against the saints.

    Actually, there is. The bible’s message is to FIGHT NOW not just to ‘prepare’ to fight at some point in the future. This has long been the message for the church including in the apostle John’s time as Revelation was written to them too. Yes, there is an end times war too under THE final antichrist and false prophet, but to focus on this at the expense of the present war against antichrists and false prophets and the evil one and his schemes now IS indeed erroneous and unscriptural….and very foolish. God would not get this focus wrong when speaking with a prophet.

    Biblical precedent set for sparing a remnant:

    First off, our righteousness is in Christ Jesus and his blood, it is NOT based on works (as is implied) to spare us, that is false theology.

    The Rapture is post tribulation and it is false prophets who say it is pre tribulation to spare the church or the remnant. I know there’s a teaching only the holy enough (by works not by blood) will be raptured up and the unworthy Christians will be left behind to suffer – this is false.

    Your argument seems to be somewhat baseless.

    What scripture is now ‘baseless’?! To say that many saints (even the ‘good’ and holy enough ones by Duduman’s reckoning) will still be around in the tribulation and that their good works will not save them from martyrdom – if anything by being uncompromised, it will get them martyred and persecuted? Why else would scriptures tell us this calls for great perseverence on the part of the Saints, and that if anyone is to be killed, he will be killed….you cannot spare yourself from it by being holy and good enough or have faith to spare you? Don’t you think John would have ‘holied ‘himself out of being burnt alive in oil, or Peter etc from being crucified and all the other numerous Christians fed to the lions and burned alive as torches for Nero would have saved their and their children’s skins? Don’t you realise this was what John was talking about not just the 21st (or whatever future) century still yet to play out?

    Scripture mentions the Lord using the wicked to punish his people for their sins to cause them to repent of their sins. Scripture also mentions Paul turning brethren over to Satan so that they would learn to not blaspheme the Lord and hopefully be saved from judgment.

    Yes it does, but nowhere does it say that martyrdom at the hands of the many antichrists is judgment, God’s punishment or is church discipline – the big difference here is the context, you’re taking things hugely out of context! Nowhere does it say that the martyrs get ‘done’ in because they aren’t good enough – and that is EXACTLY what Duduman is saying, and exactly what he meant, as this theme of self righteousness runs right through all his false theology and ‘visions’

    Therefore God can and does intervene physically to protect the saints during certain times. Therefore, why not in the end to bring forth a remnant that will see him coming in the clouds..

    Obviously there’s going to be a small remnant alive to see him coming at the end of days. BUT to imply this remnant must be the most righteous, faithful or holiest ones (by their works) is not scripturally correct. It is by grace alone these people are still alive – and possibly, some would claim, they have suffered more from being alive as ‘blessed are all those that die in the Lord from now on…’ etc

    There is no divine protection against martyrdom, and never has been since the 1st century (though God does sometimes rescue his Saints in certain circumstances from death).” Contradicts

    You know exactly what I meant in its context. What I meant is, there’s no automatic carte blanche keep safe, get out of jail free card or golden ticket to kep you from martrdom – obtained by faith or good works or anything else – if your number is up, your number is up – to the sword you will go – hence the need for great perseverence on the part of the Saints. For Duduman and his angels to say otherwise is seriously flawed. Some people will be rescued. Many will not be.

    The reason you would say this about Dumitru is because you haven’t read his other material.

    I read pages and pages and pages of his material. If he cannot get across what he really means in all those many pages, then there’s a major problem – and it ain’t with me. There’s numerous problems running through his book. It’s a theme. I don’t just take little things out of context, its consitent themes. He’s quite clear what he says and what he means. I don’t understand why you are defending the biblically indefensible. How has he bewitched you? Why do you say this man is a prophet of God – I mean really? Don’t say his holiness or humilty. Why do you think all his words came from real angels, and how can you continue to defend this when these angels contradict God’s word? Have you ever specifically asked God about whether Duduman is true – rather than assume or take others words for it? Have you ever tested Dudaman’s spirit he speaks by and his words? Should anyone speaking by an angel be believed?

    You have taken many, many things out of context.

    “Yet the Bible says that GOD delays the time of the end, that as many will be saved as possible. It says the days of the great tribulation will be shortened, for the sake of the saints, but this is another thing entirely”
    A.Here is another moment were you seem to contradict yourself.

    I don’t contradict myself, you are confusing two things. One is saying that the length of the Great Tribulation suffering will be shortened so some can survive it – it is NOT shortened because of people’s iniquities but because of God’s grace to the suffering. Duduman says that God is bringing on the time of the end because the earth is so sinful, but this contradicts what the Bible says about the general time period up to the Tribulation (not the Great Tribulation itself) that God extends it so as many can be saved as possible. Two different things, no contradictions, please study the word better. Perhaps you should spend more time reading and studying the Bible than you do Duduman?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 15, 2008

  45. Thanks for your timely reply. I do agree with many of your statements on the application of Scripture for testing a prophet. It just seems to me by your accusations that you haven’t thoroughly read through all of their material, even though you say you have. For almost everything you accuse him of not doing, I seem to recall the opposite. For example when you stated;

    “All biblical prophets when warning of impending judgment always called the church and the world to repentance, prayer and activity, and yet I do not see this thread running ANYWHERE in these visions. I do not see a true prophets words because of these reasons too.” [emphasis added]

    Even a cursory ready of just a few of his visions would contradict your statement. That is why I included links and quotes to just a few of his visions where he is doing the thing you accuse him of not doing. Therefore, that is why I don’t believe you have actually read as much as you say you have. In fact, you don’t even give a rebuttle to my rebuttle of your accusation.

    Many of your arguments seem to be based on how a person should or shouldn’t react to a vision, dream, visitation, etc and what should take place in that vision, dream, or visitation. I think it’s clear from Scripture that not every prophet responded the same way, nor was every dream, vision, or visitation the same. Hence, the reason for my mentioning of things like Gideon, Isaiah / Hezekiah, John, etc. Therefore, I don’t think I took things out of context, because I was trying to make the point that neither men nor the angels react the same way everytime; and neither does God take the same approach every time. It’s the same with miracles that Christ performed. He didn’t do the same type of miracle the same way everytime.

    If I understand you correctly, there are three areas of dispute.

    1. How the angels deliver a message.
    2. How a prophet should respond.
    3. How God should deliver His message.

    You state that Dumitru doesn’t match any of these; however, I and some of the others have shown him to meet these requirements from a Scriptural bases.

    Also, about the wife thing. I only mentioned it twice, because you mentioned it twice and I was trying to follow the flow of your argument, point by point. Unfortunately, all it takes is to flub up one fact to cause others to questions your research. In fact, this wasn’t your only flub. You accused Dumitru of not calling the church to repentance, prayer, and activity; which I have shown from just a few visions on his website that he does; to which you did not reply.

    Obviously the bantering going on, on this website is becoming pointless. I say you’re incorrect in your assumptions from a Scriptural view about Dumitru (to which I documented), and you say that I and many others are wrong in our assumptions of Dumitru from a Scriptural view.

    Like I said above, I do agree with many of your views on the application of Scripture. I just don’t agree with your view of Dumitru. I’ve been researching Hand of Help for over three years now, and have yet to find any inconsistencies in their story. Some of the revisions made to the book you mentioned were due to the fact that it was mistranslated from Romanian and mishandled by those assisting in his publishing of the book. I believe this is why they self published all subsequent editions.

    I’ve contacted Voice of the Martyrs to confirm many of the things they say about their association with Richard Wurmbrand; to which they replied in the affirmative. I found a non-prophetic source going back to 1967 that agreed with their assessment of America being Mystery Babylon. I gave this book to Michael when he came to speak at our church, because I mentioned to him that I prayed and asked the Lord to show me if this was a new interpretation, or had somebody else seen this purely from Scripture and not from a vision, dream, or visitation. For every question that arose, I was able to find a scriptural bases for it, or some external source to confirm what they stated.

    In the end…it won’t matter what we think of Dumitru, or Michael, or anyone else calling themselves a prophet. It only matters what we think about Jesus Christ. You can accuse me of twisting Scripture, but I can accuse you of the same. Therefore, we’re not getting anywhere with this.

    I wish you the best.

    God Bless,
    Jeff

    Comment by Jeff | March 15, 2008

  46. Jeff:

    I have not answered every single one of your points yet, not because I could not, but because of time limitations when I was responding very late last night OR perhaps, in some cases, I may have thought it repetitive or unnecessary bearing in mind what I’ve already said several times.

    There is the difficulty here with you thinking I’m saying one thing and thinking I am being contradictory, when in fact there’s some basic misunderstandings you have from scripture which twists what I’m actually REALLY saying – hence things being out of context etc. I assumed my readers have some background Bible knowledge so I don’t need to over explain things, and lash what I’m saying with quotes – if I was addressing a more mixed background I would over explain and dot every ‘i’ and cross every ‘t’ – but it’s apparent some readers do not have Bible knowledge about even some of the elementarys. I’m not having a dig, Jeff, it’s just I don’t understood how you, who are not a new Christian, can you have such big misunderstandings on key points of doctrine.

    What I was saying abut the repentence element was not the message ‘repent and come to Jesus’ (important though that is) or even ‘repent and get your own house in order – be holy as God is holy’ (which is again very important) OR ‘Repent everyone because God IS going to pour our judgment and the last days will be terrible (regardless of what you and the world do, do repent or not)‘ but the true message to the world is rather ‘repent so God does NOT pour out his wrath on this generation’. It’s a different repentence message entirely – a bit like Jeremiah calling them to repent so the horrors of the seige COULD have been avoided. Not repent, for I’m going to smite you anyway. God does not delight in smiting, but Duduman seems to delight in saying ‘America will burn’. Where’s the intercession asking God so that America does not burn, saying it is not a given, or the dialogue of asking of basic questions of the angels/God as any normal person – and certainly all biblical prophets – would?

    Many of your arguments seem to be based on how a person should or shouldn’t react to a vision

    There are contradictions running through them, yes, and not just by how he’s supposed to have reacted to them. It’s very important to mention these because its a very high indication of fraud. But even if these were not included in the article, and we decided to cast them aside, then the scriptural things by themself (the false theology) are more than enough to say he’s false. You misunderstand me totally when you say God does not work each miracle the same, thus each visionary experience will vary – that’s twisting things out of context. I’m basing things on God’s charater. He would not repeatedly allow fleece-laying, giving the same genuine dream twice, far less allow for it be thought of as confirmation. (Also note that fleecelaying to work has to have a ‘control’. So if x happening means ‘yes’ then x not happening must mean ‘no’. You cannot have x not happen and still be able to say it can still mean yes (though I know many Christians do or they keep laying fleeces in a type of lottery til they get the answer they want to hear)! That’s ridiculous but that’s apparently what Dudman claims if what you say is true (that he did not have every dream he mentions as prophetic twice). He’s having it both ways, then! And if he did not have every dream twice, how did he test those dreams he only got once, seeing as he mentions in his book seeing things twice is the true way to test dreams? Is he saying he did not test everything he passes on in his book (even by his poor unbiblical way).

    You still haven’t answered me as to whether you’ve tested the spirits begind Duduman.

    If I understand you correctly, there are three areas of dispute.
    1. How the angels deliver a message.
    2. How a prophet should respond.
    3. How God should deliver His message.

    No, that’s part of it but there’s far more. I’m not nitpicking over little things, these things are massive. My problems are:

    1. False theology in the prophecies – but the theology should be perfect if given by angels and heard twice. The wrong thrology includes about the Last Days and about self righteousness/works.
    2. False prophecy/date setting
    3. An angel does not fudge or contradict or give false information
    4. God/his angels would not repeatedly agree to come another night to repeat the exact same experience as ‘confirmation’ for the prophet
    5. Contradictions in storyline indicating lies or embellishment or carelessness and splapdashness with reporting
    6. Emphasis on the manifestations and the angelic experiences, again possibly pointing to deception
    7. Lack of Biblical testing by him and others
    8. No testing of the spirits or even awareness apparently it should be done
    9. Naivity when accepting any words heard from angels (if his account is true)
    10. Lack of narrative with continued dialogue with GOD (as compared to angels) about his dreams and visions and lack of ongoing revelation from personal time and scriptures, and no intercession on it either.
    etc etc

    I and some of the others have shown him to meet these requirements from a Scriptural bases

    But you haven’t. How can you accept such blatant false theology from him – apart from distorting scripture in the way you already have?

    Some of the revisions made to the book you mentioned were due to the fact that it was mistranslated from Romanian and mishandled by those assisting in his publishing of the book. I believe this is why they self published all subsequent editions.

    Even you said false ones can cover up their words after the event, and I said they DID change things consequently and you say ‘ah! yes but because of mistranslation’. So there’s excuses for anything and anything can go. Even if they are totally genuine and there were mistranslations or misprints, can you see the potential for fraud or fudging here to get out of being shown to be false? To claim it was ‘mistranslated’ as a way of getting out of ‘I did not actually say that’? If we are to say the guy is genuine, we have to allow for some HUGE mistranslations.

    BTW, do you know exactly how much money the book has made the ministry to date? Or how much money Duduman and Boldea have made The Prophecy Club and others?

    Jeff, I think your problems are that you have found Duduman’s prophecies and his ministry and have been enamoured by them. You want to believe, of course you do. (I wanted to believe too as I have a particular affinity with Romanian Christians since before the wall came down, praying for them despite their tremendous beatings and persecution – (but some have lied to the church about what they experienced for sympathy, fame or embelisshment’s sake). But I cannot believe Duduman as the facts betray him.) Thus your research about Duduman has NOT been with an open mind – as you seek to back up what you already believe to be true, not to scruitinise and weigh it from a neutral stance or testing the sprits. When you search the scriptures you do so looking for stuff out of context to justify what you already think to be true. Lots of people can do that with false theology, taking stuff out of context to back it up. This is not proper weighing and testing. I ask again, why you do you think he is a true prophet?

    I can understand you wanting to believe he is true. I can understand your faith. But misplaced faith is foolish. You have nothing to fear from proper scriptural testing – neither does any true prophet. If Duduman (or any others) folds under this timeless plumbline, then don’t attack the plumbline, attack rather the one that does not come up to it.

    You can accuse me of twisting Scripture, but I can accuse you of the same.

    You can accuse me of it – in fact you have – but it won’t be true.

    I found a non-prophetic source going back to 1967 that agreed with their assessment of America being Mystery Babylon

    How exactly is this theology BIBLICAL? And 1967 is hardly a long time anyway. I do not agree with America being mystery Babylon – though many modern day ‘prophets’ spout this rubbish (many echo Duduman as he is so well thought of) – as it is not a proper interpretation of scripture by an means. If you really value scripture and truth, then read it and study it properly.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 15, 2008

  47. ps

    In the end…it won’t matter what we think of Dumitru, or Michael, or anyone else calling themselves a prophet. It only matters what we think about Jesus Christ.

    That’s a very naive thing to say. It does matter what we think and what we do about false prophets and teachers. The church should contend with them, and rebuke them and expose them. A little leaven runs through the whole loaf…… do you not know this? False prophecy – from however a humble or holy a man is dangerous.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 15, 2008

  48. pps

    Unfortunately, all it takes is to flub up one fact to cause others to questions your research

    I still like the way you won’t allow me one ‘flub’ (which you only say is a flub because you dispute it, not because it is not actually true) when you’ll allow him many flubs! So everything I’ve said is called into question (taken from documented facts and his own words) because of one minor point made which I even said you can strike out for the sake of this discussion – you demand perfection, yet I’m not prophesying here, far less by angels, so the same biblical plumbline does not exist anyway to be 100% correct (though obviously I try to be and do not intentionally include error or falsely testify) and this report is essentialy accurate as can be? Yet you will not hold that same perfect plumbline and demand for perfection against your prophet where 100% perfection is demanded to qualify as being from God?! Isn’t that using uneven scales and being a tadd hypocritical?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 15, 2008

  49. Perhaps you can clarify another matter for me?

    I remember reading an acount (which I think involves Virginia Boldea, Duduman and Michael) who were asked to attend a Mormon church/convention and speak there, and apparently the LDS members saw an angel at his side while he was speaking and were convicted he was a true saint etc. Can you validate when and where this happened exactly and who were involved – or is it just another urban legend?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 15, 2008

  50. Okay..let me try this again. You said your issue is with Dumitru NOT calling the people to repent so as to avoid His wrath:

    “Repent so God does NOT pour out his wrath on this generation”

    But once again, I have seen the opposite to be true. Throughout most of their books, videos, radio addresses, articles, and what not, there was always a desire for America to repent for the sake of NOT, I repeat, NOT receiving God’s wrath. It was only sometime last year that Michael stated in one of his times of pray for America to repent that he heard the Lord tell him; “No more warnings”. In other words, the time for repentance to spare the nation has ended. As you know there was a point in Israel’s past when they too had reached the point of no return.

    Eze 14:20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

    Therefore, there is a period of time in which repentance will spare the land, but there is a point in time which even the most righteous among us could not spare the land from God’s wrath; not even their children if they walked in sin. Many times I have heard Michael say that he wished that America would be spared and that he and his grandfather would look like fools.

    You also asked the following:

    “You still haven’t answered me as to whether you’ve tested the spirits begind Duduman”

    I’m not sure what word you were trying to use here (begind – behind maybe), but I think you’re asking if I have tested the spirits with respect to Duduman. To that I say yes. For almost three years now I have been testing him against what I see in Scripture with respect to the message of a true prophet and a true man of God. These are some of the criteria that I used:

    1. Does he call people to repentance – YES
    2. Does he warn of impending judgment – YES
    3. Does he seek to turn away God’s wrath – YES
    4. Does he agree with Scripture – YES
    5. Is he humble – YES
    6. Has his faith been put to the test – YES
    7. Does he seek to serve the Lord more than himself – YES
    8. Has he demonstrated a life of commitment to serving other Christians – YES
    9. Has he demonstrated a life of commitment to serving the lost – YES
    10. Has he demonstrated a life of service to the poor, the widows, the fatherless, etc. – YES
    11.Does follow the Word of God in every area of his life – YES
    12.Does he have an unwavering desire to hold to the truth, no matter what the cost – YES

    In each one of these I’ve found him to fit the Biblical description of not only a prophet, but of a man of God.

    Let me try to answer each one of you points:

    1. False theology in the prophecies – but the theology should be perfect if given by angels and heard twice. The wrong thrology includes about the Last Days and about self righteousness/works.

    I haven’t found anything that is contradictory to Scripture or sound doctrine in his writings. There is an emphasis on holiness, righteousness, and living a faith that works, but he doesn’t preach a works based salvation. If you read through his non-prophetic material, you’ll find he is Scripturally sound. Paul was accused of lasciviousness because he emphasized grace; while many today accuse James of a works based salvation because he said; “faith without works is dead”. As you know the Catholics lean heavily upon this book for their justification of a works based salvation.

    Also, for him to ask twice on some of these dreams doesn’t constitute a contradiction with Scripture. It may reveal that he is unsure of himself, but that doesn’t mean that he isn’t hearing from the Lord.

    Can you show me from Scripture where it is sinful to ask for multiple confirmations, or to question the Lord several times, when it is coming from a righteous person? Abraham asked the Lord multiple times in his pleading for his nephew Lot. My point being, that the Lord doesn’t have a problem with someone asking Him several times, if they are sincere in their asking.

    I know I have asked the Lord to confirm to me again and again that He was the maker of heaven and earth when I was researching the creationism / evolutionism debate. I brought up countless objections, but the Lord was able to answer them all because I was sincere in my asking. I know this isn’t in the context of prophecy, but it is in the context of questioning God.

    2. False prophecy/date setting

    Again, I don’t see any false prophecies here, because no hard dates were given except for the one that is very confusing if your referring to the one entitled “Maybe Three Years”. (“’We won’t say exactly, but it probably means that in another 3 years a great massacre will occur.’ Then the stars turned into blood, and everything disappeared.”).

    Could it be like the prophecy of Jonah (“Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown”)? Nothing happened in 40 days because Nineveh repented. I don’t think you would say that Jonah was a false prophet would you? Could there have been a spirit of repentance sweep across America because of the Y2K scare? Maybe. I know that many Christians were praying because of what they thought was to come. If that’s true, then maybe that’s why they used the words “maybe” and “probably”.

    For the mere fact that they included this particular confusing prophecy within their repertoire of writings testifies to me that they are willing to remain faithful to what is given to them.

    Now that I think about it, the only other prophecy that had a hard date was the day they were to be exiled from Romania; which did come to pass. Not only was it the correct date, but also the correct time; down to the exact minute.

    3. An angel does not fudge or contradict or give false information

    Again, if your referring to the “Maybe Three Years” vision, I do agree that it’s a bit confusing, but I don’t see any fudging or false information being given. The issue can be over the word “massacre”. What massacre are they referring to? The one to come from the places mentioned, or was this something entirely different? I don’t know. Again, it’s too confusing.

    I’ve read scripture where two completely separate events are coupled together as one. Isaiah 61:2 says; “To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;” When Christ read this scripture in Luke chapter 4 he stopped at “to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord”, because the day of vengeance was not yet to come.

    Maybe these were two separate events; the destruction of America and a possible massacre around 1999/2000. But, I don’t know. There’s just not enough to declare it to be false.

    4. God/his angels would not repeatedly agree to come another night to repeat the exact same experience as ‘confirmation’ for the prophet

    Based on what? Can you show me from Scripture where God would not agree to repeat the exact same experience? There are a many examples in Scripture where God is willing to repeat something in order to confirm a message; (Gideon and the two fleeces, Peters vision of the sheet let down three times, Josephs two dreams of the sheaves, and the stars, etc.).

    I think your contention is over the fact that Duduman asked that it be repeated exactly the same. To which I reply…SO WHAT. Why can’t we ask God to repeat something to be certain it was from Him. Isn’t this a way of testing the spirits like Gideon did. I tested the spirits by asking for multiple points of confirmation when I did my research into the various areas of apologetics.

    And so what if Gideon only did it once and then didn’t ask again. This doesn’t constitute the only allowed method of asking for confirmation. Can you site any Scriptural reference to which Gideon would have been allowed to “put out a fleece”. NO. There was no precedent set in Scripture at that time that said you can confirm a message from the Lord by using a fleece. Therefore, by your standards, I can disqualify Gideon and his account, because nothing in Scripture that preceded this event was recorded that said this is the proper method of discerning a message from God. Right?

    Therefore, who’s to say that you cannot confirm a message by asking for it twice. If Gideon didn’t have a Scriptural precedent for doing what he did, then who’s to say that Dumitru didn’t have one either. I do however believe that he had one because of the numerous examples I sited earlier.

    I can’t remember, but I think you accused Dumitru of not asking for confirmation from Scripture. When an angel told Dumitru that America was Babylon he asked the angel to show him where in scripture that this was true.

    Taken from The Message For America [September, 1984] (http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_1.php)
    “When I heard all of this I said, “if you are truly the angel of the Lord, and everything you have told me is true, then all you have said must be written in the Bible.” He said, “Tell everyone to read from Jeremiah 51:8-15, Revelation chapter 18, and Zechariah chapter 14, where Christ fights against those who possess the earth”

    Therefore, Dumitru did ask for confirmation other than a second dream. Sometimes the confirmation came immediately by an event that took place the next day.

    Taken from The Message For America [September, 1984] (http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_1.php)
    “How will I know that this is for real -that it will really happen?” I asked. “As a sign that I have spoken to you, tomorrow before you wake, I will send someone to bring you a bed, and at noon I will send you a car and a bucket of honey. After which I will send someone to pay your rent.”

    It was stated by Michael on a radio show that Brother Wurmbrand (Richard Wurmbrand, founder of Voice of the Martyrs) was one of the men that came to bring them some rent money; which was a confirmation of his vision. This is what prompted me to contact VOM to see if this was true; to which they confirmed.

    5. Contradictions in storyline indicating lies or embellishment or carelessness and splapdashness with reporting

    Again, I don’t see any of these contradictions that you accuse him of.

    6. Emphasis on the manifestations and the angelic experiences, again possibly pointing to deception

    You do admit that it’s a possibility, but not an absolute confirmation that it’s a false prophecy. But again, I’ve shown in previous posts that other prophets had similar experiences (fear, shock, illness, etc.)

    7.Lack of Biblical testing by him and others

    I believe that I’ve shown throughout this post and others, that I have tested him against Scripture.

    8. No testing of the spirits or even awareness apparently it should be done

    Again, I’ve tested him and found him to be true.

    9. Naivity when accepting any words heard from angels (if his account is true)

    I have not naively accepted his words. In fact, I have demonstrated a greater depth of knowledge of his background than you have. You however have demonstrated multiple lapses in your research. I know you hate the “wife” thing, but your research should have flushed this out and found it to be false. My guess is that you found that information from someone that had a bone to pick.

    Plus, all these accusations you make against him personally would have been flushed out as well in your research. I’ve seen this countless times in my research, when commentators do not go directly to the source and rely heavily upon secondary sources.

    10. Lack of narrative with continued dialogue with GOD (as compared to angels) about his dreams and visions and lack of ongoing revelation from personal time and scriptures, and no intercession on it either.
    etc etc

    I believe most of my previous comments will suffice for this one. However, he did have an ongoing dialog, he does testify to an ongoing revelation from personal time and scriptures, and he did intercede for America for many years.

    Now…on to your next comments:

    ——”Even you said false ones can cover up their words after the event, and I said they DID change things consequently and you say ‘ah! yes but because of mistranslation’”

    When the Duduman family came to America, none of them spoke a lick of English. It is reasonable to assume that some things got lost in translation when they put together that first book. Also, hate to mention it again, but it does help me to make a point. Where did you get the information about his wife taking over the ministry? I don’t think you would just make that up; therefore it came from somewhere. You assumed your source was correct; but as it turns out it was not. Therefore, isn’t it possible that the Duduman’s trusted someone to faithfully translate their story, when in fact they got some of it wrong? If anybody could understand that I think it would be you.

    Let me answer this one as well.

    ——”BTW, do you know exactly how much money the book has made the ministry to date? Or how much money Duduman and Boldea have made The Prophecy Club and others?”

    All proceeds from the book were poured back into the ministry. Seven family members lived in a two bedroom apartment in a bad section of town in California and never used any of the money to purchase a home. Several pastors and other ministries suggested they take the money and purchase themselves a home, but Dumitru always put it back into the ministry to help his persecuted brothers and sisters in Romania.

    In fact, Hand of Help is the largest, non-governmental orphanage in Romania. They have built several churches, have feed and clothed thousands in Romania and continue to do so. They never fleece the sheep for more money and leave it up to the Lord to keep them going. Michael and his wife live in a small apartment. Mike’s wife works to support them, while Mike goes out preaching the same message of repentance that he and his grandfather preached for over twenty years in America. But again, you would have known this if you did your research.

    I’ve included an article below that I wrote to another website about the relationship between Dumitru and the Prophecy Club. The commentator went ahead and posted my comments to her website. She did however leave out some pertinent information about the relationship between Mike and Stan.

    —–”When you search the scriptures you do so looking for stuff out of context to justify what you already think to be true.”

    My Scriptural references where not taken out of context to explain my position.

    —–”This is not proper weighing and testing. I ask again, why you do you think he is a true prophet?”

    Please see my above comments on the testing of a true prophet.

    __________________________________________________

    This is the article about the relationship between Dumitru and the Prophecy Club. Most of my comments are dealing directly with her statements. I hope you’ll notice that Stan Johnson embellished some of Dumitru’s writings for his own purposes. Therefore, it’s easy to see that some people have changed Dumitru’s words like they did in that first edition of his book. So please don’t treat my comments about a mistranslation as specious.

    Hello Vicky,

    I was reading your web page: http://www.seekgod.ca/prophclub.htm#dud and came across Stan Johnson’s statement: “I treat all dreams and visions as “thus saith the Lord” and don’t make any changes, even spelling or grammatical changes without the permission of the author.”

    Apparently, Stan seems to do the opposite of what he says. According to your source (point 21) Stan wrote down the following “unchanged” prophecy:

    4 Pages Remain
    Dumitru Duduman -August 1991
    “…Then he opened the back of the book and counted out the remaining blank pages at the end. One, two, three, four. Only four pages left….”

    The wording is incorrect according to the Hand of Help website (the official website for Dumitru Duduman’s ministry)

    http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_14.php

    “He opened the back of the book and counted out 4 remaining blank pages at the end…”

    What’s written on the Hand of Help website is the same as written in his book; which I have a copy of: “Through the Fire Without Burning” by Dumitru Duduman; pg. 173; ISBN 0-9635055-0-5; 2nd Edition (1992).

    Your source (point 21) seems to indicate it’s publication date as July 1997 (www.prophecyclub.com/july97/1.html) which is 5 years after the publication of Dumitru’s book. Clearly showing that Stan altered the original wording of Dumitru’s writings. It appears that the Prophecy Club has since then removed this page.

    Also, I have heard Stan on his radio show, and read in his writings, this oft repeated phrase; “It will start with an internal revolution, started by the Communists.” This phrase was never used in Dumitru’s writings. What is written is the following:

    The Russian spies have discovered where the nuclear warehouses are in America. When the Americans will think that it is peace and safety – from the middle of the country, some of the people will start fighting against the government. The government will be busy with internal problems. (pg. 161, Through the Fire Without Burning)

    It doesn’t say that the Communists will start an internal revolution; just that the Russian spies have discovered where the nuclear warehouses are in America.

    This has actually been confirmed by a former defected Russian KGB agent. He stated that the Russian spetsnaz (spies – special forces) know the locations of the nuclear warehouses and will use the information to destroy America. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to find my source on the name of the KGB agent.

    Also, there is a growing movement within America to “take it back” from the politicians that want to undue this country. The recent immigration debate along with the much debated SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America – which is a Bush Administration endorsed plan to unite Canada, United States, and Mexico into a super-nation like that of the European Union) ; has fueled a growing hatred towards the current administration. This could easily turn into a major “internal problem” for the government. We’ll have to wait and see on this one.

    Stan Johnson also royally messed up this one; which seems to be a major point of your argument (which I agree with – that being, there is only one book of Life):

    Clouds in the Sky; 3-1/4 Pages Remain
    Dumitru Duduman -1991
    When these pages are filled, God’s grace will leave the Gentiles. Then we will go to The Jewish Book of Life….”

    The original on the website and in his 1992, 2nd edition book (pg . 174) (http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_15.php) states the following:

    When these pages are filled, The Grace will leave the gentiles. Draw closer to me now, more than ever – and be holy, because hard times are coming.”

    He changed the wording from the original (the Grace – to – God’s grace) and then proceeded to add something that was not there in the original (…Then we will go to The Jewish Book of Life….)

    It seems then that your argument is not so much against Duduman as against Stan. In fact, from all the visions that are posted on the Hand of Help website and in his books, only one has the word “Jewish” in it:

    http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_1.php

    “I have blessed this country because of the Jewish people who are in this country. I have seven million Jews in this country, but they do not want to recognize the Lord. They didn’t want to thank God for the blessing they received in this country. Israel doesn’t want to recognize Jesus Christ. They put their faith in the Jewish people in America. (also on pg 162, Through the Fire without Burning)

    No where else is the term “Jewish” used in conjunction with the words “book of life” in any of Dumitru’s visions.

    Also the book of the Gentiles is never referred to as the Gentile Book of Life in Dumitru’s visions. This appears to be another Stan Johnson embellishment. There is only one book of life mentioned in his visions and that is the “Book of Life” which goes on to say that “…Whoever finds his name in this book will be saved…” This of course correlates with what is written in Rev 20:15.

    Throughout Dumitru’s writings, when it came to this vision of the book of the Gentiles, I always associated it to Luke 21:24;

    “And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”

    I haven’t found a mentioning of this specific book in Scripture, but it does mention a time to come when there will be a fulfillment of the Gentiles; thus a completion. Scripture does however mention that there are other books besides the book of Life; referred to as “books [plural]”.

    Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

    These “books” that are opened could include a “book of the Gentiles”. Scripture does not tell us what these books are, except that “… the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books”

    Therefore you are correct…there is only one Book of Life; but there are other “books” which very well could include the “book of the Gentiles”. The only place the “Jewish Book of Life” appears is in Stan Johnson’s embellished writings. So much for Stan not making “…any changes, even spelling or grammatical changes…”

    I have had the opportunity to speak personally with Mike Boldea and had the opportunity to discuss his relationship with the Prophecy Club. For a long time, I had my concerns with his relationship with Stan. I find Stan to be an opportunist that wants glory for himself and his ministry rather than for Jesus Christ. In fact, Stan has now elevated himself to an apostle….sorry…an Apostle…with a capital “A”.

    Mike related to me his frustration with Stan on a number of things. Apparently the Prophecy Club was really big on the Y2K scare. I didn’t discover Prophecy Club until about 3 years ago, so I didn’t know them before that. (In fact, I found out about Hand of Help through the Prophecy Club…a diamond in the rough…so to speak). I found out later that Stan’s ministry went down the toilet a few minutes after midnight on January 1st, 2000. It has taken him a long time to rebuild it to this level.

    Mike told Stan that there was nothing to Y2K, but he didn’t believe him. Stan pressed Mike to give him a “thus saith the Lord” that Y2K WASN’T going to happen. Mike didn’t have a “thus saith the Lord”, but only said; “the Lord doesn’t work that way” (meaning – God doesn’t set dates). Once he said that, I remembered a discussion that Mike had with Stan on a radio broadcast about the Y2K scare. Mike, on air, reminded Stan what he told him about Y2K (that it was going to be a big nothing); which Stan affirmed. Stan tried to defend his position, but had nothing to stand on. I can’t remember which broadcast it was, but you can listen to the ones with Mike in them at: http://www.prophecyclub.com/audio_boldea.htm

    Also, Mike did a prophecy conference for Stan in which Stan said he was going to take up a free-will offering and give it all to Hand of Help. At the end of the night, one of the workers that was counting the money mentioned to Mike that the amount was over $15,000. Later, Stan approached Mike and said (something to this effect); “Great News…we collected $3,000 from the free-will offering.” I may have the amounts incorrect, but the point is that Stan lied to Mike and kept back a large portion of the money that was going to be given to Hand of Help.

    Plus, Stan says he had a vision that he was Dumitru Duduman. In other words Stan was claiming that the “mantle” of prophecy pasted to himself. Well…it appears that “prophet” wasn’t good enough. He has now chosen the title of apostle…sorry…Apostle with a capital “A”.

    My reason for this long dissertation is because I have been researching Dumitru Duduman and Michael Boldea for over 3 years now, and I find them both to be humble men of God. Not only have I read about them, but I have meet Michael.

    I’m very much the skeptic and I do quite a bit of research before I receive anything as true (see my website at: http://www.godsproof.com). In my research I found out that Dumitru and the founder of the Voice of the Martyrs (VOM) (www.persecution.com), Richard Wurmbrand, worked together in Romania to smuggle Bibles into Romania and Russia. I contacted VOM directly to find out if this was true and they confirmed it. Richard also helped Dumitru when he came here to America.

    I was following, and contributing to VOM for at least 3 years prior to that of Hand of Help. Richard Wurmbrand suffered in Communist prisons for (I think) a combined total of 12 years because of his preaching of the gospel. He was truly a godly man, and godly men typically don’t work with ungodly men for an extended period of time. A man that walks with God will soon discover if there is a wolf in sheep’s clothing in his midst.

    I appreciate your desire to root out false doctrine. I see too that it is our duty as Christians to point this out to others when we see it. I agree with your assessment of Stan, but I do not agree with your assessment of Dumitru.

    Take a look at the Hand of Help website (http://www.handofhelp.com) and get a hold of his books if you can (I noticed that none of your sources included material from Hand of Help). See if you come up with the same assessment as I have. I think you’ll find a humble man that was faithful to the Lord in calling a sinful nation to repentance.

    God Bless,

    Jeff Sievertson
    Editor – God’s Proof
    http://www.godsproof.com

    emailed to: ephesians4v29@seekgod.ca

    Comment by Jeff | March 16, 2008

  51. I said it “won’t” matter and NOT, it “doesn’t” matter; future tense. I was alluding to His return.

    Comment by Jeff | March 16, 2008

  52. Your “wife” flub points to a lapse in research; which calls into question your assessments of him. And this isn’t the only flub. I’ve pointed out several more above.

    Also, I have put Dumitru to the test time and time again. I find him to me a man after God’s own heart. He makes mistakes like you and I; but I don’t find a mistake in his reporting of what God has given to him.

    Comment by Jeff | March 16, 2008

  53. You asked the following:

    “I remember reading an acount (which I think involves Virginia Boldea, Duduman and Michael) who were asked to attend a Mormon church/convention and speak there, and apparently the LDS members saw an angel at his side while he was speaking and were convicted he was a true saint etc. Can you validate when and where this happened exactly and who were involved – or is it just another urban legend?”

    This is true. You can hear it directly from Dumitru’s lips on the video at:

    http://handofhelpmultimediachannel.magnify.net/item/FJD0ZJT3FF9PKV84

    He told them that Joseph Smith was a false prophet and all his writings were false. He said the only book from God was the Bible.

    Comment by Jeff | March 16, 2008

  54. I said it “won’t” matter and NOT, it “doesn’t” matter; future tense. I was alluding to His return.

    IT STILL MATTERS. The parable of the good and unworthy servants/talents (talents include discernment and warning and teaching ministry inc teaching about error), the warning to the watchmen about blood on their hands, the warning about the millstone around the neck to those who lead astray, the parable of the sheep and goats etc etc, are all about what happens after when Jesus returns. So yes it does matter then, whether you’re a false prophet now, or did not warn the flock of, or discern false prophecy and teaching now, or whether the church ‘judged’ its own now. It matters now and it will matter then.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 16, 2008

  55. Throughout most of their books, videos, radio addresses, articles, and what not, there was always a desire for America to repent for the sake of NOT, I repeat, NOT receiving God’s wrath.

    That is not at all apparent in the book I read. If you’re saying I need to trawl through all his other books, videos etc to find this essential information, then something is seriously wrong.

    It was only sometime last year that Michael stated in one of his times of pray for America to repent that he heard the Lord tell him; “No more warnings’

    Thanks for pointing out another false prophecy – how unscriptural is that statement?

    You still haven’t answered me as to whether you’ve tested the spirits behind Duduman – which is actually more than testing it against scripture. And it’s been shown that you’re willing to take scripture out of context to justify him and/or have a poor overall scriptural understanding or knowledge of God or his ways in the first place so aren’t scripturally testing him anyway – in word or practice or spirit. Testing the spirits include praying and seeking God and asking Him about it, using spiritual discernment, and also literally ‘testing the spirits’ behind a prophecy – not just its actual words and doctrine.

    I haven’t found anything that is contradictory to Scripture or sound doctrine in his writings.

    But it’s already been pointed out, and you refuse to listen to it or acknowledge it. Do you, apparently a Christian for more than a few years, really have such bad scriptural knowledge, or are you that enamoured you are blinded to what is in plain sight and are willing to distort things to justify someone who cannot be biblically justified? Such is the nature of deception, I suppose, but please wake up!

    I’ve already made abundantly clear that my problem was about the consistent long term pattern of asking for something twice – all the other examples you mention are one off episodes. Furthermore, asking for confirmation/a sign and asking for something to be dreamed twice as ‘confirmation’ are two totally different things from each other. Furthermore I don’t know any scriptural examples where someone had the exact same prophetic encounter twice – after a request for a second thing to come as confirmation. Usually once was more than enough. And any confirmation/clarification came in other different dreams or visions or answers, not exact clones of the previous encounter. God does not work like that – ever.

    Can you show me from Scripture where it is sinful to ask for multiple confirmations, or to question the Lord several times, when it is coming from a righteous person?

    We are righteous by faith, so don’t imply here that Duduman was ‘more righteous’ by his deeds.

    The general thrust of scripture shows the character of God. Though fleece laying was not a biblical precedent before Gideon, Gideon understood enough of God’s ways, glory and power to know that if it was God speaking to him, He’d affect his nautural world as a sign of it no problem. So the precedent was already there, as it was based on the already revealed faith in God’s character, on who he was. However the same faith is not there by asking to dream a dream twice as ‘confirmation’. That is based on ignorance and misunderstanding and a lack of faith – in God or himself as it is not based on God’s character, it is based on ignorance. God would not comply with such a request, far less repeatedly, and that is my understanding based on the whole thrust of scripture (not just one or two things taken out of context) plus my personal knowledge of God and his ways which backs this up too. Any of the biblical prophets would have been rebuked had they asked such a thing. They would also have had the insight to be able to find out in other ways whether it was indeed the word of the Lord. The most basic way would be to pray to ask God about it – not ask to dream it again.

    As Duduman does mention this is the way he sought confirmation, for you to say he did not get it always despite this is worrying, as he is not even following his own albeit unscriptural plumbline – or is that another ‘mistranslation’ I read so he did not really say this?

    Your comparison with the evoltion debate seeking for answers is something very different. God has no problem with continued dialogue, or seeking and sincerely asking him the same questions. He welcomes it. However it’s the repeating of the exact same vision or dream or supernatural experience that is the point of issue – as confirmation – as it is not biblical testing, it is not confirmation, and it is not part of God’s ways. Do you really think that God would send his angels again to repeat the same thing again continually (even if this allegation is true)?

    The date setting was the three years thing and also the pages of the book (among others). It’s so easy to claim it did not happen because the people repented. Apart from the fact the people obviously did NOT repent in Y2k or any other time on a large scale – as the fruit of repentence is changed lives - if it did not happen because of repentence or whatever, then Duduman would have been told this and should have made God’s change of mind public FIRST. God does NOT stop something he threatened to come to pass without telling his prophet he changed his mind, and the specific reasons for it. Therefore if something does not come to pass, and no reason is given before it does not come to pass by the prophet, THEN that person is a false prophet.

    Could it be like the prophecy of Jonah (“Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown

    No, it couldn’t at all. That was a specific prophecy. There was no fudging or ‘probablys’ or ‘we won’t say exactly’. It did not come to pass as Nineveh repented but Jonah was told this by God BEFORE and the whole world knew this was the reason so. and why it did not come to pass as forewarned. That is completely different to prophesying and saying after the event it did not happen because of x or y. Any false prophet can say that. Jesus warns about those sort and says not to fear them.

    Again, it’s too confusing…Maybe these were two separate events; the destruction of America and a possible massacre around 1999/2000. But, I don’t know. There’s just not enough to declare it to be false.

    No, it’s not confusing, it’s as clear as daylight and there’s plenty enough to declare it false. You cannot see it though as you support him as a true prophet.

    I’ve read scripture where two completely separate events are coupled together as one. Isaiah 61:2 says; “To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn. When Christ read this scripture in Luke chapter 4 he stopped at “to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord”, because the day of vengeance was not yet to come.

    No, it’s not the same context at all, you’re twisting things again in your desparation to make them fit – as Jesus did proclaim both of those ‘days’ in his ministry just as Isaiah said and it was clear they were separate events to Isaiah and most of his audience and to others in the NT. The day of favour was proclaimed in Luke 4 as the Messiah had come and his ministry had started, hence Jesus saying ‘now was the day of favour’ but that did not mean he did not proclaim there was a day of vengence to come in his ministry! Context please, Jeff, is key!

    Peters vision of the sheet let down three times, Josephs two dreams of the sheaves, and the stars

    I’m not sure why I’m taking so much of my time talking to you, as you seem to have no real interest in the scriptural truth. You’re once again taking things out of context. Peter saw the sheet coming down three times, but it was the same single vision at the same event/period of time. He did not ask to see the same vision three times on three subsequent occasions. That is a huge difference. And he certainly did not ask to see it twice or three times as confirmation. Joseph’s dreams varied albeit it was the same message. They said the same thing in a different way, and again he did not ask to redream anything as ‘confirmation’.

    I think your contention is over the fact that Duduman asked that it be repeated exactly the same. To which I reply…SO WHAT. Why can’t we ask God to repeat something to be certain it was from Him. Isn’t this a way of testing the spirits like Gideon did

    No it’s not, and that’s my point. Aren’t you listening? How is dreaming anything twice confirmation of anything in itself, let alone certainty that God is in anything? Supposing I dreamt a nice dream – from my flesh and not from God. If it’s on my mind the next day and I liked it or wanted it again, there’s a high likelihood I’ll dream it again, especially if I want to! God’s nowhere involved in this though, its psychology, just as if I told you not to think of something you’ll think of even more. How many recurring dreams has anyone had in their life? Does that mean God is in all them too?! How many other false deluded prophets see the same dream opr vision about Sai Baba or whatever. Does that mean they hear from God too and are testing the spirits by biblica standards – of course not! I repeat Gideon looked for confirmation in the natural, not to hear the voice again. Gideon was not testing the spirits in the 1 John sense either.

    I think you accused Dumitru of not asking for confirmation from Scripture

    Looking for confirmation from scripture is more than asking an angel ‘where is it in the Bible’ as Satan quotes scripture well – pp the episode of testing Jesus in the wilderness. The scripture must be in the right context and studies properly too, and it should be from personal study not just ‘an angel told me an quoted a scripture’. Note Duduman still did not properly test the spirits here.

    Tell everyone to read from Jeremiah 51:8-15, Revelation chapter 18, and Zechariah chapter 14, where Christ fights against those who possess the earth

    That’s not an answer. It is fudging again. It’s no answer, let alone a clear answer at all and full of false theology.

    I have not naively accepted his words. In fact, I have demonstrated a greater depth of knowledge of his background than you have.

    I am talking about scriptural knowledge not Duduman knowledge. You may well know all his tapes, videos and books inside out. But that’s not what I’m talking about, I’m talking about naively accepting his word of being true and as from God, which is rather different.

    I know you hate the “wife” thing, but your research should have flushed this out and found it to be false.

    You say it’s false because you disagree with me. I don’t ‘hate’ it but I have said you can put it aside for now as there are a multitude of other things – each individually in themselves that are more than enough to betray he is false without it. Yet you continue to ignore this and continue to point to it. Yet this is only ont thing out of many more, all of which are true and you cannot dispute. And I am not prophesying so do not have to be perfect anyway. Yet you will not apply the same plumbline to Duduman, and when you come up with a contradiction you excuse it, ignore it, twist scripture to fit it, or claim it’s based on mistranslations.

    Plus, all these accusations you make against him personally would have been flushed out as well in your research

    What other ‘accusations’ should have been flushed out? I researched, I read his entire book. I made the comments. You don’t like what I say and desire to see it ‘flushed out’, but my research has been biblically based on proper exposition of the scriptures, from a neutral standpoint towards Duduman – and yours is not a neutral stance nor has been made by proper exposition of scriptures.

    Like I said in a previous post, it is easy for someone to fool somebody they have climbed Everest, if the hearer has never been to Everest and knows nothing about it. It is easy for somebody to say they went to the Artic Circle in the summer and it got dark at 7.30pm each night, if you live in Central Europe and this is all you know where it does get dark about that time in the summer. However if you’ve been to Everest or have knowledge of it or climbing, you can see the contradictions in someone’s deceptive account of climbing Everest, or if you are schooled and/or have been outside Central Europe you’ll know it stays light in the Artic Circle in the Summer til near midnight. So false prophets can fool some people who have no real knowledge of prophecy (or scripture) who’ll be impressed by their claims, but they will not fool me – I’ll see the glaring contradictions in them, just as the climber or traveller will see the glaring contradictions in the examples I gave re Everest etc.

    If someone says they prayed and God was a different charcater to what the Bible reveals and what I know Him to be, I’ll call them on it. Likewise will I call them on it if they claim to have prophetic encounters with God and his angels which contradict the character, nature, and word of God as revealed in scriptures and also by personal experience.

    However, he did have an ongoing dialog, he does testify to an ongoing revelation from personal time and scriptures

    This is not mentioned in his book, and it is crucial.

    Therefore, isn’t it possible that the Duduman’s trusted someone to faithfully translate their story, when in fact they got some of it wrong

    It’s absolutely possible BUT it would mean there are huge mistranslations in all of it, that have still not been corrected to date despite revised editions and a better grasp of English. I also said, it leaves a huge potential for fraud and calls for a large degree of trust. Boldea speaks English now, does he not, yet there are the same problems running through his theology?

    But again, you would have known this if you did your research.

    You seem to imply I said they lived in mansions. Where did I ever say this or said they ever fleeced the sheep?

    I said how much money has the ‘Duduman prophecies’ made? It is neither here nor there for the sake of the point I was making that the money was poured back into the ‘ministry’ – as my point here was that the prophecies were and are a money spinner for the ministry and also for others like the Prophecy Club. To admit they were wrong or false loses that money – whether that money buys orphanages or cars for the preacher.

    So Stan Johnson of the Prophecy Club embellished some of Dumitru’s writings for his own purposes and is money led. Good, I’m glad you’ll at least admit that, although the changes made you mention are nothing to do with my assessment of Duduman and clan. So how much money has Duduman made The Prophecy Club, do you have any clue? People like him obviously have an agenda to keep hidden if Duduman is false. And if that’s the case about Stan then why isn’t he publically rebuked by the Hand of Help ministry and any copyright permissions withdrawn as he still touts their materials?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 16, 2008

  56. ps

    If there are continued mistranslations in the books and any other material (as promoted by Hand of Help OR the Prophecy Club) generating such huge misunderstandings among the people of God when reading them, then the ministry has a responsbility to correct these now and make a clear statement correcting any such misconceptions, so that the people of God are not led astray to follow doctrine that Duduman was not really actually teaching, after all – if it were really only translation errors.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 16, 2008

  57. “Vision received by Dumitru Duduman on November 29, 1996
    As I was laying in my hospital bed, looking over the faces of my family, three men appeared beside me. One had a globe in his hand, and he began to rotate it and point out certain countries saying: “This is where the destruction will come from. I don’t remember all the places he pointed to, but I remember I saw Mexico, Cuba, and the Alaskan border. Then one of the men spoke to me; “We fought against death for you. It was a hard fight. Do not fear; you will not leave. You still have work to do.”
    Suddenly, three stars appeared behind them. One of them asked: “Do you know what that means?”
    “No,” I answered.
    “We won’t say exactly, but it probably means that in another three years a great massacre will occur.” Then the stars turned into blood, and everything disappeared.”

    It is interesting that this datesetting points to the Y2k superstition as of course the year 2000 was almost exactly three years away. Many ‘prophets’ came out of the woodwork proclaiming 2000 was the end of the world or the beginning of the end and were left with egg on their faces. Duduman died in 1997, literally just months after this alleged prophecy. He did leave despite the angels’ promise: ‘We fought against death for you. It was a hard fight. Do not fear; you will not leave. You still have work to do.’ and his legacy was left with proverbial egg on the face, to all who will open their eyes and face the truth.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 16, 2008

  58. Jeff

    Thanks for the link. I was actually wanting specific details. Where exactly in Utah was this meeting, and when, and who can testify outside the ministry that the ‘whole room’ saw an angel of the Lord by them as per Duduman’s claims and that so many mormons were excommunicated afterwards for their new found faith because of Duduman? If so many saw this angel, witnesses should not be hard to supply.

    It is interesting that this video was filmed at the heretical Brownsville and that Duduman in the video says he feels ‘plugged into them’.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 17, 2008

  59. http://www.whatsaiththescripture.com/Prophets/Prophecy.Duduman.America.html

    The Angel of the Lord story on this website has the info you may be looking for.

    Comment by cheryl | March 17, 2008

  60. Thank you Cherly, but it still does not have specific time, place on it to be able to verify it?

    Mr. Duduman was addressing a group of people in Utah (USA), who were mainly Mormon (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints).

    In the early ’90’s, Virginia Boldea (daughter of Dumitru) was approached by Mormon church officials, seeking Dumitru to speak in their churches. Duduman had previously declined to do so. Her father being away, Virginia attempted to politely, but firmly decline their request. When they continued to press her for a positive commitment for Dumitru to come; she flippantly said– to her immediate regret– her father would come if they would fulfill some ridiculously extravagant demands. They agreed, to her dismay. Dumitru learned of his new commitment, and determined that this was the LORD’s way of showing him something that he must do.

    In Utah, Dumitru was shown a picture of Joseph Smith. There were high Mormon church officials present. They asked him through Michael Boldea, his grandson and interpreter, what he thought of Joseph Smith. Dumitru boldly stated that Joseph Smith now stood at the hand of Satan. Michael told his grandfather that he couldn’t tell them. Dumitru told Michael to say it exactly that way. On doing so, the dignitaries kept a straight face, showing no emotion.

    Dumitru Duduman spoke at a large church for about three hours. All present were strangely quiet. No one moved about or left. All stared straight at Duduman. Michael related that he had not seen this happen before, since he had been Dumitru’s interpreter at all the other engagements. After the lecture, many wanted to touch Mr. Duduman– for some strange reason. When numerous people had cleared away, the mayor approached Mr. Duduman, and asked him if he always had an angel when he spoke. Michael replied that they believed that every Christian had a guardian angel. The mayor told him that as Duduman spoke, there was a huge angel behind him. The angel (probably Gabriel, who had appeared to Dumitru many times in his need) was so large that he covered the pipes of the organ. Evidently, the angel was visible to the audience, thus accounting for their deathly silence. As a result of Dumitru’s ministering to these people, reports had been received that 200 to 300 people had accepted Jesus Christ.

    God will send His angels to protect His people. “For He shall give His angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways” (Psalm 91:11). We can be delivered from physical danger, as well as inopportune situations that our tongues drag us into! “Set a watch, O LORD, before my mouth; keep the door of my lips” (Psalms 141:3).

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 17, 2008

  61. There was a massacre that was about 3 years after Dumitru’s prophecy (Maybe Three Years). It had some very prophectic overtones with respect to the girl that was killed that said she believed in God. They even called it a massacre.

    Columbine High School massacre
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

    The Columbine High School massacre occurred on Tuesday, April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School in Columbine in unincorporated Jefferson County, Colorado, near Denver and Littleton. Two students, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, embarked on a shooting rampage, killing 12 students and a teacher, as well as wounding 23 others, before committing suicide. It is the fourth-deadliest school killing in United States history, after the 1927 Bath School disaster, 2007 Virginia Tech massacre and the 1966 University of Texas massacre.

    Comment by Cindy | March 18, 2008

  62. “Thanks for pointing out another false prophecy – how unscriptural is that statement?”

    Read your Bible for crying out loud. There was a point in which God said that Israel would be destroyed…PERIOD; and there was nothing that even a righteous person could do to stop it. My goodness…are you that ignorant of the prophets?

    “That is not at all apparent in the book I read. If you’re saying I need to trawl through all his other books, videos etc to find this essential information, then something is seriously wrong.”

    It was apparent to me. And once again you have proven my point that you haven’t done your research. Before you malign someone you might want to make sure that you get your facts straight; which you clearly have not.

    ——–For everything else you wrote——–

    I have tested the spirits from Scripture and through prayer and find him to be a man of God. I’ve taken the time to put him to the test. From my assessment of your statements; you gave a cursory glance at some of his material and proceeded to destroy his name. I’ve read through several of your others postings and I’m detecting a hint of jealousy on your part with respect to Dumitru’s call to be a prophet to Amercia. Smuggling Bibles into a Communist country for 20+ years while having to go to prison for your faith (and to be beaten, tortured, and put on the electric chair TWICE [there's that “twice” thing again]) could cause others to salivate just a bit.

    — ALSO —

    You haven’t made a clear case from Scripture.
    Your assessment of Dumitru and Michael are clearly inconsistent with the evidence.
    You clearly haven’t done your research.
    You are fast and loose with your accusations.
    I have not taken scripture out of context.

    Therefore….

    You have wrongfully maligned a man that was faithful to what God called him to do.

    I think I’ll just follow Geno’s lead and leave you to your devices.

    Comment by Jeff | March 18, 2008

  63. Yes, I’m sorry I just reread the article and noticed that. I too have heard ABOUT this incident, but can never find the exact details. It’s like a “word of mouth” story.

    Comment by cheryl | March 18, 2008

  64. Cindy – the massacre that Duduman was referring to was not a relatively small scale school shooting in the context of his prophecy. They are not technically massacres in this context, however dreadful they were.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 18, 2008

  65. Jeff

    Let me spell it out for you even clearer, although I’ve already made my case abundantly clear. I said Michael Boldea’s statement that ‘there would be no more warnings’ was unbiblical and also contradictory with history – he’s already been proven wrong by other prophets, for example, SINCE making that statement. And pointing to the Bible to illustrate what I say – many more sciptures can also be provided IN CONTEXT – Jeremiah warned for about 23 years before the captivity and then CARRIED on warning during the captivity about how suffering could be lessened and pointed to future hope and restoration despite the fact they did not heed the warnings beforehand. God does not discontinue speaking – through the word and through his prophets. I was not saying that it was not biblical that there would be wrath poured out etc – I said it was not biblical that God would allegedly say ‘no more warnings’ – as God does not act like that or speak like that and it is a false prophet who says he does.

    I’m really surprised that not only will you twist the word of God out of context to back up someone who is obviously false on at least some points, but you’ll twist what I say too, and then have the audacity to say I don’t know the bible/biblical prophets, who I obviously have a better of grasp of than you do, for you to have twisted things so badly and out of context as you have scripturally! And why I’m so surprised is because you obviously are not a new or even fairly new Christian who could be cut a lot of slack for your basic misunderstandings.

    When I have pointed out your (and Duduman’s) obvious scriptural twisting and misunderstandings you ignore me and simply gloss over it, and apply even more scriptural twistings and distortions to make it fit or claim ‘I have not researched properly’ or claim that I am the one that twists things (with no evidence provided for this). Neither you or ‘Brother’ Geno have been able to demonstrate properly by proper scriptural exegsis where I misunderstood or have got it wrong or have twisted things on my numerous scriptural points – which, as I have continued to say, are more than enough in themselves to proclaim Dimitri Duduman as a false prophet. But then there’s all the other evidence on top to proclaim he’s false – not necessary to prove the case, but extra back up proof nonetheless.

    You harp on about the wife claims which I said you can disallow as I don’t need it to make my point but that’s all you can really attack. But then in the same breath I spoke about his wife, I said his angels promised him he would not die – yet he did. And you know this is so as it is written and you can’t deny it, so the angels obviously lied to him, didn’t they? And why should any man in Christ fear leaving in death anyway, far less be told by angels ‘not to fear, he’ll not leave’ – note, these supposed angels of the Lord tell him not to fear because they said it would not happen (yet it did), not because there’s nothing to fear for those in Christ Jesus whatever time someone dies and goes to glory? I would have thought the Lord would get this basic right. For it is Christ (not angels) who fought against death and took away its sting and victory, and took the fear of death away from true spirit filled children.

    Then you claim ‘mistranslation’ errors – yet Michael Boldea jr still speaks English well today, does he not, and yet continues to make errors by these alleged angels? – and despite many years and many people like you helping them, their ministry have not corrected these many ‘errors’ if they are all really down to ‘translation’ scribes alone. I have very fairly said, IF it is genuinely down to this, then it should be corrected with the utmost urgency.

    None of you answered how much money his material has brought in to date, however this money has been spent.

    Then you blame Stan Johnson of the Prophecy Club for changing Duduman’s words, yet I do not base my assessment on what Stan has quoted, but rather on what Duduman has said in his ‘authorized version’. Furthermore, it is up to the ministry to publically rebuke Stan if he has done such a naughty thing as to change words – have they rebuked him, if so?

    You keep saying I haven’t done my research, but yet you have not demonstrated that, you only say that to try and undermine me because you do not like my conclusions based on my research and you continue to show your continued delusion and lack of love for the truth.

    ‘Before you malign someone get your facts straight.’ and ‘You are fast and loose with your accusations.’

    But, ah, I have done my research. I may not have had to buy up ALL the Duduman material or to watch or listen to ALL of it, but I don’t need to watch and read EVERYTHING a false prophet has said to be able to proclaim he’s a liar/deluded/teaching false doctrine after reading SOME of it. After reading his whole book, there’s a major problem somewhere if he cannot get across what he REALLY means in all those pages and someone like you has to come and explain it to me away and say I should listen to other things as well to understood what he really meant. I may not have all the badges and stickers and be a paid up member of his fan club, but that does not mean my facts are ill-researched or are even maligning. If the evidence ‘maligns’, then the evidence portrays Duduman for what he is, not me who points to this same evidence – although I’ll go on record here and say both Boldea and Duduman are liars.

    The word of God is my base, and these men disagree and contradict with the word of God on many scores – in word and practice. I’m not ‘maligning’ someone by speaking out the truth, though when I touch your idols you obviously feel deeply injured. Get over it and get into the truth instead. For the truth also commands us to contend with liars, false teachers and false prophets.

    Finally your jealous remark really takes the biscuit. Ah, so my motive is jealousy now? And Geno said I was ‘childish’ for loving the word of God over Duduman’s words? You’re pathetic Jeff, you and Geno to have to resort to such tactics to try to undermine me. And besides which – you don’t know how much I’ve suffered for the faith do you? And do we all have to be allegedly electrocuted (twice) before we can speak out about anything anyway? (And if Duduman was ‘holy’ or ‘righteous’ or ‘faithful’ enough, surely by his own prophecies he’d have been rescued from this persecution even happening to him by the angels? Can we have it both ways – proclaim he’s righteous for being persecuted and righteousness should prevent persecution?)

    I’m not jealous of anyone who twists scripture – rather I covet the word of God – and nor am I jealous of one who is welcomed to the heritical and sinful Brownsville with open arms and feels at home there and feels ‘plugged into them’. Perhaps he felt plugged in as there was a lot of lying and covering up going on there too.

    I have nothing to gain in church circles, the internet or anywhere (except by honoring and pleasing God and rescuing the Saints from delusion) by speaking out against Duduman or any other ‘big names’. If I wanted to be more famous, rich and popular I’d sing the tune everyone wants to hear which is not the actual truth. I’m one of the lone voices out there against people like him, and I know he is very well thought of by major places. In fact I have much to lose as it’s not just the Prophecy Club that demands we elevate Duduman and Boldea to the status of a prophet. By speaking out as I have, I’ll never get invited to speak to these places. Just like speaking up about Toronto and Brownsville and other tomfoolery strikes me off many Christmas card lists also. But I’d rather speak the truth than be popular because hey – I love the truth more than ear tickling. Don’t you? (Love the truth that is).

    ps If you hate persecution, you might consider not ‘persecuting’ those who speak the truth about Boldea and Duduman.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 18, 2008

  66. Jeff and Geno

    Can we have exact times and locations please for the Mormon/angel story?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 18, 2008

  67. Do you have evidence for the electrocutions too, which we’re at it?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 18, 2008

  68. I want to invite Miriam to visit our ministry to see first hand that we try to do the work of God humbly and honestly before God and man. She is welcome to sit down with Michael Boldea who traveled with Dumitru and ask anything about the words given to Dumitru by the Lord as he lived with Dumitru and traveled with him across America. Since accusations are being made against these men we humbly will do what the bible says meet face to face. We have nothing to hide and we stand 100 percent behind the fact these prophecies are from God and we will also treat you as you visit our ministry as we do everyone with Gods love and servanthood.

    Also please bring written proof of Dumitrus wife taking over the ministry as we don;t have it. Also Rebecca please contact me as well as I will have Michael Boldea himself answer the charges Miriam has made against him.
    Bro Geno

    Comment by Gene Schmidt | March 18, 2008

  69. Gene: I welcome the invitation and will take you up on it when I am able – which won’t be for a while as I live in another country. So, in the meantime, are you able to answer some of the specific questions here – ? The LDS one should be an easy one to remember.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 18, 2008

  70. This is totally off subject, but I just came across this and HAD to share…

    http://www.alittleleaven.com/jesus_junk/index.html

    –(cooleyhigh/haroldmaude)

    Comment by cooleyhigh | March 18, 2008

  71. Cooleyhigh: thanks for that, it made me laugh. I especially like the ‘Respect your elders or be eaten by bears’ shirt.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 18, 2008

  72. With respect to the jealousy remark, I do feel that some of your arguments against Dumitru are because of this. They reminded me of men in the Bible that maligned the apostle Paul because they desired his position within the church. Even though Paul never made himself out to be anything super; some around him wanted his prestige but without the pain and suffering that came with it. Sorry that hurts, but it’s what I’m seeing from here. Maybe it’s better that you see this now and repent of it before it consumes you.

    Also, let me clear up something. Geno and I are not affiliated with each other, except for being brothers in Christ. I only know him through the occasional email. So please don’t think that I’m in collusion with Hand of Help to “gang up” on you. I’m only speaking for myself. I feel that it’s my duty to defend a faithful brother in Christ when someone is saying something about them that isn’t true.

    Also, neither Geno nor I have resorted to any tactics to undermine you. You have undermined yourself with your faulty research and twisting of Scripture to fit your case. It just so happens that in this instance, somebody pointed it out to you.

    I may have used some blunt, pointed, and sardonic language at times, but that’s just my way. I’ve corrected a few Christians to their face to which they stormed off in anger, but some time later returned and said thank you for that rebuke. I’m sure that someday you will thank me and a few others for correcting you on this issue.

    If I were you I would take Geno up on his offer. If you can’t go their, then maybe you can give them a call to talk this issue through. Don’t you find it odd that a person you call a false prophet is wanting to solve this Biblically? Try and get Benny Hinn to do that. How many others, for whom you have criticized, have treated you like a sister in Christ?

    I certainly don’t hate you or wish any ill will upon you. I just hope that you will take the time to fully reassess your position by going to the source. Maybe you two could do a call in Radio show to discuss these issues.

    Anyway…I wish you the best, and I’ll keep you in my prayers.

    Jeff

    Comment by Jeff | March 19, 2008

  73. Just to clear up some loose ends. You said the following:

    “In one instance the angels allegedly told a sick Dumitru Duduman that he would be healed to preach again for a long time and that when he did eventually die…”

    This is what it actually says.

    “Do not fear you will not leave. You still have work to do”

    Can you help me find where it says that he will preach for a long time? All it says is that he will not leave and that he still has work to do.

    Question:

    Was he healed? Yes
    Did he die in the hospital? NO
    Did he work some more? Yes

    Therefore, where did the angels lie? No where.

    Jesus did his most important work in three days. I think Dumitru can get a few things done in a few months don’t you?

    _________________________________

    Also, I just noticed in your intial arguments that you didn’t make any reference to any hard scriptures. you alluded to a few, but most the time you said thinks like; “proper biblical standards”, troubling false theology”, “true nature of prophetic encounters”, “The Bible does not say”, “bad theology”, etc. To make a solid case you should have expounded upon these statements you made with actual Scripture. Most of your statements are accusing Dumitru of violating Scripture without actually showing where he violated Scripture. I know you’ll say that your audience should know to what you are referring to, but that is a cop-out.

    I however, made several references to hard Scriptural passages (which of course allowed you to falsely accuse me of twisting Scripture) along with actually quoting from Scripture.

    Funny…I never noticed that before. So for all these times you say you’ve made a solid case, I really…really beg to differ. Hmmm…

    Comment by Jeff | March 19, 2008

  74. One more thing…

    You do need to “trawl” through all the material, because you never know when somebody like me, who has done his trawling, will come along and tear apart all you arguments.

    A good attorney knows the answer to his question. And a good critic knows the rebuttal to his critic.

    Comment by Jeff | March 19, 2008

  75. Here is the massacre that began in 1999. It was refered to as the Račak massacre.
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    Racak massacre haunts Milosevic trial
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1812847.stm
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    Račak massacre (Kosovo War)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War

    KLA attacks and Serbian reprisals continued throughout the winter of 1998–1999, culminating on January 15, 1999 with the Račak massacre. The incident was immediately (before the investigation) condemned as a massacre by the Western countries and the United Nations Security Council, and later became the basis of one of the charges of war crimes leveled against Milošević and his top officials. The details of what happened at Racak were revealed shortly after Serb paramilitaries left the scene of the massacre. Rolling TV cameras featured the head of the (KVM) Ambassador William Walker walking through mutilated bodies of Albanians. Shortly after that he held a press conference where he stated that he had just witnessed Serbian crimes against civilians[2]. The massacre was the turning point of the war. NATO decided that the conflict could only be settled by introducing a military peacekeeping force under the auspices of NATO, to forcibly restrain the two sides. A carefully coordinated set of diplomatic initiatives was announced simultaneously on January 30, 1999:

    NATO issued a statement announcing that it was prepared to launch air strikes against Yugoslav targets “to compel compliance with the demands of the international community and [to achieve] a political settlement”. While this was most obviously a threat to the Milošević government, it also included a coded threat to the Albanians: any decision would depend on the “position and actions of the Kosovo Albanian leadership and all Kosovo Albanian armed elements in and around Kosovo.” In effect, NATO was saying to the Serbs “make peace or we’ll bomb you” and to the Albanians “make peace or we’ll abandon you to the Serbs[citation needed].”
    The Contact Group issued a set of “non-negotiable principles” which made up a package known as “Status Quo Plus”—effectively the restoration of Kosovo’s pre-1990 autonomy within Serbia, plus the introduction of democracy and supervision by international organisations. It also called for a peace conference to be held in February 1999 at the Château de Rambouillet, outside Paris.

    Comment by Jeff | March 20, 2008

  76. Jeff –

    But what has a massacre in the Balkans got to do with the context of the original prophecy? There are massacres every year. For someone to prophesy wars or massacres or starvation or disasters will occur in any year in the future somewhere around the globe, is not rocket science, neither is it prophetic – a child could do the same. It is whether they specifically predict the nature or place of the massacre, or give some identifying details surrounding it, that is surely rather one of the marks of the prophet.

    >> “This is where the destruction will come from.” I don’t remember all the places he pointed to, but I remember I saw Mexico, Cuba, and the Alaskan border. Then one of the men spoke to me; “we fought against death for you. It was a hard fight. Do not fear you will not leave. You still have work to do.” Suddenly, 3 stars appeared behind them. One of them asked; “Do you know what that means?” “No” I answered. “We won’t say exactly, but it probably means that in another 3 years a great massacre will occur.” Then the stars turned into blood, and everything disappeared.’ <<

    How is what you pointed out in the Balkans any way related to bordering countries to the USA – even historically by knock on effects subsequentally affecting these nations if not literally at the time? They don’t and you’ve had eight years to look at any linking events if they existed and link them. And furthermore when did the stars turn to blood, and everything disappear in 1999 or 2000. It didn’t. Or soon after. Symbolically or literally. And almost anyone knows what that verse about the moon and stars turning to blood means in the context of the End Times – don’t try and fudge your way out of that one, everyone knew exactly what Duduman was implying at the time – it is only afterwards you’ll fudge as it did not happen as predicted. How lacking in integrity that is! If you’re going to research someone as you have, surely you should look at these points too.

    Duduman was implying a Russian attack on the United States coming around the year 2,000 prefixing Armageddon and the end of the world. This is within the context of all his other prophecies. It didn’t happen though and you pointing out this massacre as confirmation, only undermines your position, not strengthens it when you are willing to scrabble for such ‘confirmation’.

    Have you found the details of the LDS angel yet? Would have thought that would be very easy to verifiy – if true.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 20, 2008

  77. An article by Lori Eldridge

    http://web.archive.org/web/20040203194510/http://www.evangelizeamerica.org/general/dumitru_duduman.htm

    The following critique of Dumitru Duduman’s Prophecies of America examines Duduman’s claims that an angel (which testifies of himself) told him that God would judge America; that there are two books of life–one for the Jew and another for the Gentile. He also claims that Grace will leave the Gentiles; that we can lose our salvation. He also offered several prophecies that failed. Other critiques of Duduman are listed below -

    Dumitru Duduman appeared to have a heartfelt concern about America and his whole focus was to warn America to repent and turn back to God/Christ. There is no harm in that, whether he was a true prophet or not. However I do have some concerns about what he said that doesn’t match up to scripture and therefore I do not think this message was from God.

    #1

    Duduman’s very first prophecy indicates that America will burn and then China, Japan and other nations (Kings of the East) will fight the Russians. They will then unite against Israel. This would put America’s burning some time before Rev 16:12– before 6th bowl– by my reckoning. THEN Israel repents AFTER America burns. THEN the Messiah comes, THEN the church is Raptured, THEN the Battle of Armageddon.

    Right here this tells me that the Angel is proposing a Pre-wrath Rapture or some semblance of it. It can’t be Post Trib. because the burning of America occurs before Armageddon.

    #14

    Referring to the angel, Duduman said: “He opened the back of the book [of the Gentiles] and counted out 4 remaining blank pages at the end. ‘When these are filled,’ he said, ‘the book of the Gentiles will be complete. Then I will return to my people.’ ”

    Do angels have “people”? I don’t ever recall any scripture where angels consider their fellow counterparts as “people,” nor were they created in the “image” of God. They are spirit beings, messenger’s of God, agents of his will, and God’s angels never testify of themselves.

    The angel continued: “Some of the names that are listed here will be erased. I will erase the names of those who have mocked God and tested the Spirit of Grace. I will replace them with other names.”

    In several places in these prophecies the angel indicates there are two books of life–one for the Jews and one for the Gentiles. However scripture teaches us that all believers, both Jew and Gentile, are all part of one body (Romans 11). If it is true that names can be erased from the book of life then we have to ignore John 10:27-29 and most of John Ch. 6 and many other texts where eternal salvation for all true believers is assured.

    #15

    The angel warned Duduman, “It won’t be long. Be prepared. When these pages are filled, The Grace will leave the gentiles. Draw closer to me now, more than ever – and be holy, because hard times are coming.”

    This is also not scriptural because Grace is a prerequisite to salvation and there are multitudes of Gentiles saved during the Tribulation.

    #19

    A black bird, portraying Satan, tells Duduman: “Power has been given to me to be able to come against the Christians in a short time…. I want to make war against the true Christians – those that serve God with their hearts, their lives, and their actions not only in name. We’ll see if they will be able to stand up against me… We’ll see… I am a warrior. I fight against Christ.”

    Satan already has the right to come against Christians and that is why we are told to put on our armor daily. (Eph. 6:10-19)

    #23

    “My people, wake up! Do not tarry! Do not wait! The time is very short! Until now many have traveled on the wide path, but now you must travel on the narrow path that you may be saved.”

    Dumitru Duduman is teaching a works salvation here because he is implying that God’s people, i.e., believers have to do something besides believe to get saved.

    #24

    “The armies of the devil are coming with great fury against those who worship Me, and truly seek Me. Pray that I may give you strength, so that before the storm comes I may save you and give you the joy.”

    More works salvation. Scripture instructs us to pray that we may weather the storm but it has nothing to do with our salvation.

    And then he continues on by saying “only the righteous will I save.” If he truly believes that true Christians gain their righteousness through Christ’s death on the cross then there is nothing we can do to earn it, except believe, or loose it either. We are declared righteous because of Christ, not because of anything we did, or didn’t do, of ourselves (Ephesians 2:8,9)

    “Be awake and watching because if you will not you will be punished as the wicked and also lose your salvation for your disobedience.”

    More works salvation.

    “Judge no one”

    As good Bereans we are to judge everything everyone says and especially prophets. And those saying things that don’t match up to the Word of God we are to ignore (1 Thess 5:21).

    #29

    In this vision Christ is supposedly saying: “I am Jesus Christ who gave my life for you. Many of those whom I gave my life for, today dishonor me, living in sin and things that are wrong. The honor and glory I deserve is not given to Me. For this I have no more mercy, but will soon return in glory and honor as judge to judge all the inhabitants of earth. But first, I will judge those that carry the name of Christians, yet have tried to deceive Me. Because of them My name was, and is, dishonored and blasphemed before those that do not know Me”.

    Scripture doesn’t say anything about a separate judgment for those who claim to be Christian but aren’t. ALL UNBELIEVERS will be judged together at His return. And besides–the true church will not be judged at all, at least not that will affect their salvation. Their works will be judged so that rewards can be given but it is not a negative experience–the outcome is good for all who are privileged to be judged at the Bema Seat judgment of Christ (2 Cor. 5:10). Those merely “claiming” to be Christians will not be in attendance at this “judgment,” This is not the White Throne judgment.

    #33

    “Why do you keep so much sadness in your heart, and such a great mourning because I took your wife? ”

    A few visions back the “angel” said he would “heal” his wife. Did the Angel make a mistake or did God change his mind? Does God change his mind? Does God make mistakes? (Num. 23:19).

    #35

    Several times Duduman sees a vision, is confused, and someone has to tell him to pray about it to get the answer. After this many visions does he still need to be told to pray about it?

    #38

    In the Hospital now. Nov. 29, 1996. Dumitru is told “We fought hard against death for you. It was a hard fight. Do not fear. You will not leave. You still have work to do.”

    (Dumitru Duduman died about 6 months later on May 5, 1997. According to the Nov. ‘97 issue of Prophecy Club his grandson has decided to take over his “work” after his grandfather’s death.)

    Then the angel tells Dumitru the meaning of the 3 stars: “we won’t say exactly but it PROBABLY means–in another 3 years a great massacre.”

    What good is a “Probably” answer ? Is this angel speaking for God or not?

    IN SUMMARY:

    Duduman’s distortions of scripture:

    1. There are two books of life–one for Gentiles, one for Jews.

    2. Telling Christians they must follow the narrow path to be saved=works.

    3. Claiming that believing Christians will be judged “by” their works which will affect their salvation.

    Inconsistencies in his prophecies:

    1. The angel told him his wife would be healed and then she died.

    2. The angel telling him “do not fear–you will not leave.” and then he died.

    Sorry. Duduman’s prophecies are not convincing for the reasons I stated above. I believe he was misled by evil spirits whose main purpose is to get people to put their faith in something else besides God, i.e., a prophet, and turn away from worshiping Christ and believing in His Word. Scriptures tell us what will happen in the end times. For some people, this isn’t enough. They want to know more details. If God wanted us to have more details he would have told us in His Word.

    However, let me clarify that I do believe America is in for hard times because of her sins and we will probably get attacked and destroyed, but only by God’s Holy Angels–not one of it’s enemies (see related scriptures–Russia does not qualify for one of God’s “Holy” ones. I do not believe Dumitru Duduman is speaking for God, therefore, I’m not going to listen to his scenario of events either.

    Let me close with a caution from Apostle John: “Believe not every spirit but try the spirits whether they are from God because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” (John 4:1)

    How do you know if a spirit is from God? Compare what the “angel” says with the Word of God. Just one serious discrepancy should be enough to discredit a message from a supposed angel. Even if you are a Pre-Wrath Armenian there should be enough flaws in this story to convince you that something doesn’t quite match up here.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 20, 2008

  78. I’ve got an interesting question here:

    How can Duduman be a prophet when JESUS CHRIST WAS THE LAST PROPHET?? In Islam, Mohammed is called the Last Prophet (mimicking Jesus Christ), go figure!

    Comment by Deborah | March 20, 2008

  79. Deborah:

    Prophets were still a recognised NT office, and prophecy a legitimate New Testament spiritual gift, so it is scriptural to be called a prophet in these days/dispensation - if one is, that is. If Jesus were the last prophet in this context, how could John have had his prophetic visions for Revelation and how could Agabus (who was sent to Paul/Saul) be called a prophet?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 20, 2008

  80. That is true, however I think what the disciples considered a prophet in their time is very different to what we have today. The disciples never called themselves prophets only disciples, even though they prophecied etc, John included. I’m beginning to wonder if the only 2 real prophets this age will ever see are the 2 mentioned in Revelation who are murdered and then rise again 3 days later.

    Men always seem to place their utmost faith in other men who they think are ‘prophets’, i.e., Duduman or Brenham for instance. These men are almost worshipped and their writings/teachings seem to be read and studied more than the bible. Sad.

    Comment by Deborah | March 21, 2008

  81. You are correct there are massacres everywhere, but this one was very significant on the world stage. For once the NWO was able to bring a head of state up for war crimes. Now was this the massacre that the angels were talking about. I’m not real sure. I only offered it up because it made the news the world over and it occurred within 3 years.

    Many make the same criticisms with respect to what Christ said about wars and rumors of wars, along with famine, pestilence, etc. I’ve heard time and time again people say; “Every generation has had enough signs to declare itself the last generation”. Yes, every generation has had earthquakes, and floods, and pestilence, etc. But what Christ mentioned was of a greater scale and increased frequency.

    Massacres have occurred the world over, but this one was very significant. Columbine was also a very significant massacre that occurred in the same year. This too made headlines around the world.

    At this point it doesn’t matter what is put before you. You’ll brush it aside without consideration.

    Comment by Jeff | March 21, 2008

  82. Okay…now for the Mormon thing.

    I’m currently in contact with a gentleman in Utah that claims to be the guy that initially invited Dumitru back in Sept of 1991. He claims to have a copy of the video and I’m hoping to get a copy of it to watch. I’ll let you know more if this pans out to be a good source. So please hold your judgment until later.

    Comment by Jeff | March 22, 2008

  83. Jeff:

    Re the massacres:

    At this point it doesn’t matter what is put before you. You’ll brush it aside without consideration.

    That’s what you’d like to think about me, no doubt, to prove I must be closed minded and blinded because I will not agree Duduman is a true prophet. But I actually have an open mind – unlike some here – I look at the evidence, and the evidence does not pann out.

    Duduman was not prophesying Columbine or something in the Balkans – both do no fit with what he said and also what he meant. Please maintain some integrity at least and show you have a discerning mind of sorts, to maintain any degree of respect on here.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 25, 2008

  84. Jeff

    please hold your judgment until later

    It was I that asked you for the evidence re the Mormon story, BEFORE ‘judging’ this particular episode.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 25, 2008

  85. I found the man that published the first edition and here’s what he had to say.

    Hi there Jeff:
    I published the 1st edition in ‘91 based on a disk Dumitru gave me that a ghostwriter had put together but Later I heard Dumitru didn’t proof it as his english was poor. He later had the book read to him and corrected the errors…though I never really knew what he changed.
    Chip Rohlke
    President Christ is Creator.com Ministry
    321-298-9796
    Melbourne Fl.

    Comment by Jeff | March 25, 2008

  86. I’ve been reading through your other posts and found what you said about your approach to discerning Rick Warren to be very interesting:

    Prophecy re Rick Warren, Purpose Driven Life, Purpose Driven Churches
    http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/prophecy-re-rick-warren-purpose-driven-life-purpose-driven-churches/

    ### “However, to be fair, just because someone is on an ecumencial very pro Roman Catholic panel – does not necessarily mean every individual on the panel is that way inclined – perhaps they were trying to be salt and light on that same panel, light among the darkness.”

    ### “Part of the debate on Rick Warren I was pointed to brought up this same issue:- if we get invited to speak at another faith’s headquarters (or at an apostates’ HQ), or to speak at an interfaith gathering, does that necessarily make us belong to that other faith? No, not at all – of course not, it is what we do or say at that gathering that says whether we are being an effective evangelist or a worldy and compromised inter-faith inter-everything ecumenicist. Christ dined with prostitutes, tax collecters and other ’sinners’, and hung out with Samiritans and lepers and even gentile Roman soldiers but he was not a sinner or unclean or compromised – far from it. We cannot, therefore, in this context, make someone guilty by their association alone – though I know some do.”

    ### ” And to be fair, some people nowadays do seem hounded by association alone – for merely appearing at certain events – when they have not actually compromised their faith. (But to be even fairer, there are very few uncompromised ones at these gatherings.)”

    If this is true then why did you criticize Duduman for being at a church you deem to be heretical? Can’t the Holy Spirit be in a place where a man of God is giving witness to the truth of His word like you say? Even if the church is heretical, cannot there be enough of God’s people in that place for them to get “plugged in”? I agree with your statement above, but again, I think you have misjudged Dumitru on this point as well. Here’s some more of your statements that I found interesting:

    ### “So anyway, was Rick Warren one of these uncompromised people trying to be salt and light, light among darkness, I wondered. Had the sector of the church criticising him misunderstood him, his teaching and his motives? I decided to investigate – but first I wanted to ask God about him, and get God’s view on Rick Warren. I wanted to come before God enquiring as neutral as possible before I’d read any more. Then I’d go research. I was quite prepared for God to say ‘Rick is a true servant’, I was also willing to hear the opposite, or a mixture of the two.”

    You stated above that your approach to Rick was to enquire of God first, remaining as neutral as possible, and then do your research. My question is; Why didn’t you do the same for Dumitru. You gave a very long vision that spoke about Warrens heretical theology (which I agree with you about) but you didn’t ask the Lord to give you a similar confirmation about Dumitru. You never said anything about going to the Lord for understanding. You said the following:

    ### “I have long been concerned about the prophecies of Dumitru Duduman (author of Through the Fire Without Burning) and Michael Boldea Jr at the ’Hand Of Help’ ministry. They have not ever sat right with me in terms of ringing true either in their source or their content.”

    Your statement sounds like you let you feelings be your guide, rather than going to the Lord first like you did with Rick Warren. It’s become clear to me that you didn’t do an indepth study on Dumitru and his theological viewpoint based upon your comments. Even if you read only the visions on the website you should have understood things like; their call to repentance with a desire for God to turn away from His wrath against America:

    http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_46.php — “For fifteen years I have prayed this time would not come. I hoped against hope that my Grandfather was just another Jonah, and that I would be mocked and laughed at for continuing to speak this message of repentance and judgment. My family, and even Hand of Help, would have gladly endured the ridicule if America would have repented and turned to God and in turn, God would have held back his wrath.”

    Also, you said that Mike’s statement of “No more Warnings” was unscriptural, but I came across this the other night as I was reading in Amos:

    Amos 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

    Therefore, like I stated before, God does reach a point with a nation to where He would say; “No More Warnings.” Israel reached that point of no return, just as America has reached that point as well. Salvation and protection through the destruction was still available to those that would surrender to the Babylonians; but the nation was going to be destroyed.

    Miriam…as I read through your posts, I find myself agreeing with your theological viewpoint on numerous issues. I’m just having a problem with your discernment of Dumitru. I was surprised to see the inconsistencies with the different approaches you took between Rick and Dumitru. I agree with your assessment of Rick (and many others on your site), but not of Dumitru or Mike.

    I’ll keep reading your posts so I can understand you better.

    Comment by Jeff | March 25, 2008

  87. Jeff:

    I do not have to ‘prophesy’ everything to be right about something or to be able to express an accurate and Godly and rightful warning about something – I can have a studied opinion based on what is plain before my eyes as is the case with Dimitri Duduman – using wisdom and discernment given from the Lord and also applying scriptures. When something is plain before me, why would I test the Lord by asking the Lord specifically about whether a servant of his is true or false lloking for visions or dreams – that’s playing silly games if I already have followed scriptural guidelines and know the answer through spiritual discernment – which is still linked to the same Holy Spirit of prophecy? Asking the Lord why Duduman or Boldea may have lied or embellished or what exactly happened instead is another thing entirely.

    I have been neutral about Rick Warren as I’d never read any of his stuff before – as soon as I did alarm bells rang. I could not take the exact same neutral stance about Duduman as I had read his material and already discerned something was wrong – ‘I have long been concerned about his prophecies’ as I have always spiritually discerned they were ‘off’ from first reading them some years ago. However I still had an open mind when testing and weighing them specifically whether they were true or false. I would much rather they were true as it’s not easy to fight against the tide of church opinion. I would much rather have the ‘company of prophets’ around me in Boldea, than exposing yet another false one.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 25, 2008

  88. Fair enough, Jeff about the first edition – and thanks for the info.

    But my point is that all of the errors have still not been corrected years later, so they cannot all still be blamed on bad proof reading or mistranslation. Boldea consists in spreading the same false theology too, and his English is good enough to be able to say better, so it is evident that the bad theology is not all down to mistranslation anyway. Even going by the the very latest translation of Duduman’s visions, my arguments about him still holds.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 25, 2008

  89. Jeff;

    Amos 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

    But apart from you taking that Amos scripture out of context, warnings have rung out since Michael Boldea said that re America last year….so what he prophesied cannot be true, can it?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 25, 2008

  90. I can disagree with you about Duduman it is very common for Yahuah to use the angels he used them with Daniel/Isisah/in Revelation with John/ Yahushush in the desert/with the Apsotle Paul and the other Apostle when imprisoned/ in the book of Exodus there was always an angel when the pillar cloud and fire went before the Israelites an Angel stood at the entrance of the tomb of Yahushuah/Angels came to Abraham the 3 young men in the book of daniel who were in the fire so you see it is biblical and Duduman is line with a prophecy I was givin as well as a friend of mine was givin and I knew not of Duduman until now my question is this all prophets aren’t the same and the bible proved that if you read like you say you do Yah gives gift by measure and you need to open up and hear more brother before you judge this man because the true make of a prophet is if it comes to pass.and we are still in the birthing pains of the things to come

    Comment by ApostleProphet Alonda | March 28, 2008

  91. Alonda:

    Nobody said angels are not biblical – how could I? You’ve completely missed the point here.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | March 29, 2008

  92. I have many things to say to you, but what Nila wrote in POST #41 says it all. All I will add is that JUDE 1:11-12 warns that many will come in the name of Christ, changing God’s grace into a license for immorality, and when openly invited to repent of such a way of thinking and living, by someone like Brother Duduman who exalts holy living as a condition for seeing God (HEBREWS 12:14, MATTHEW 5:8), they will not repent, but will utter the very words that cause them to “perish in the rebellion of Korah.” What did Korah do? He spoke out publicly against Moses (except, he was confident enough to do so to Moses’ face) and gathered others in opposition against Moses. Likewise, you speak out against Duduman and Boldea and seek to gather others in opposition against them. Read NUMBERS 16 if you really value your soul enough to repent of the rebellion of Korah, before the ground opens its mouth and swallows you alive. No joke! That’s what happened in NUMBERS 16 after Korah opposed Moses! Spiritually speaking, you have fallen into Korah’s rebellion and have “put to death those who should not have been put to death,” following in the footsteps of the ones who put to death the Christ. You are crucifying Christ afresh and putting Him to an open shame. If you are wrong about Duduman and Boldea (and you are) then you have rejected Christ, for He Himself said, “Whoever rejects you rejects Me and whoever rejects Me rejects the one who sent Me.” This website will stand as a testimony against you on that day, unless the fear of God drives you to remove it.

    Whoever taught you, “once you’re saved, you’re always saved,” will pay for teaching you a doctrine that gives you no fear of saying, “…you fool…” and “…you arrogant thing, you…” (your reply to Nila’s post #41). Do you not remember the warning Jesus gave in MAT. 5:22? “But whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be is danger of hell fire.” Jesus said “WHOEVER” – whether you have ever been saved in the past or not, you are in danger of hell fire just over those words, “For by your words, you will be justified, and by your words, you will be condemned.” If you had known that you could forfeit your salvation and become “TWICE DEAD” by committing the rebellion of Korah, as JUDE 1:21-22 teaches, “you would not have been so quick to condemn the innocent” (said Jesus) and speak out against God’s true servants, as Korah did against Moses, while exposing all of the false ones. Though you expose many false teachers, you have only defiled your work by spiritually “crucifying Christ among thieves” – you did this by condemning Duduman and Boldea among the real thieves. You will answer, just as the original crucifiers of Christ answered, because you got so caught up with the real thieves thsat you did not recognize these two true servants of Christ when God sent them to you, thanks to the heresy known as “unconditional eternal security,” “once saved, always saved,” “sinner-saved-by-grace” teaching which inspired you to revile them. In eternity, I will smile at you if these words brought about your repentance (if you have not already committed the unpardonable sin by declaring that Duduman and Boldea both had/have and unclean spirit – pray hard that God doesn’t render your words that way, because if He does, then nothing I say can help you escape your coming condemnation).

    Comment by Chris | April 1, 2008

  93. Now, having purged my wrath, let me ask you:

    Is anything too impossible for the Lord? Where in Scripture do you read that God is not able to cause a prophet of His to re-dream dreams? Or that He is not able to use martyrdom to cause some saints to renounce their lukewarmness, while other saints who are not lukewarm are preserved alive through the wilderness (the “Daniel”s, the “Joshua and Caleb”s)? Do you not recall that among all of God’s people who were delivered (saved) from Egypt, only two (Joshua and Caleb) were worthy to be preserved alive in the wilderness while the rest of them died? Eveything Duduman and Boldea declare about this is Scriptural. Either you ask God to perfect you BEFORE your time of testing comes, or you give God no other choice than to perfect you by way of martyrdom. Daniel met God’s condition for this before his time of testing came, and therefore, God judged that Daniel did not need to be perfected by way of martyrdom! This is how it will be for a small remnant of saints who are being perfected NOW before their time of testing comes. The burden of proof is on you to supply one Scripture showing that God has no ability to nor grants any permission to command His angels to bring the same vision twice “over and over and over again with each and every dream” as you say. We read in HEBREWS that angels are God’s ministering spirits sent to minister the needs of the saints. That’s all we know from Scripture. To assume that you can identify one way that God has placed a limit as to how angels can minister the needs of the saints is invent your own doctrine and to show yourself disqualified to render Biblical judgment.

    Comment by Chris | April 1, 2008

  94. Purged YOUR wrath? That says a lot.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 1, 2008

  95. Either you ask God to perfect you BEFORE your time of testing comes, or you give God no other choice than to perfect you by way of martyrdom.

    What utter ignorance and twaddle! You really believe this? Honestly? So you think all the apostles (barr John) and Paul and Stephen too were not perfect enough, so they were martyred as punishment in a warped perfection process – do you think God is a sick sadist – what are you on to think this?

    I have already shown some scriptures to show what you are saying is not true. The apostle John knew it which is why he wrote Revelation as encouragement. Persecution and martyrdom is NOT a punishment for a lack of faith or lack of holiness or of not being one of the elite – in fact persecution for being a Christian often indicates the opposite, that you are doing something right and are Christlike – for if the world hates you, they hated me first, said Jesus. The world does not persecute compromised Christians – they are no threat, they do not upset them and make them either glad or mad, they leave them neutral.

    The martyrs are more perfect if anything, not less so – read what it says allegorcially about them in Revelation about them – though none of us are, or will ever be perfect in charater or works on this side of heaven, though we should be becoming more so if in Christ Jesus as His spirit perfects us.

    The wilderness experience is completely different to persecution, and it cannot be compared. Your sort of comment indicates why Duduman’s false prophecies and theology is so dangerous. For after striving to make yourself perfect, how will YOU stand when heat comes? Have a faith crisis? Fall away? Follow the false prince?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 1, 2008

  96. Chris

    >>many will come in the name of Christ, changing God’s grace into a license for immorality

    When have I ever done this? Far from it, the opposite – so why even mention it? How then can you compare me to this, or even compared to Korah. Duduman is not Moses and Duduman has never been appointed my spiritual or political leader. I have not rebelled against God, or even leadership, rather I have honoured his word. We are commanded to test and weigh, are we not? And I have tested and weighed these ‘prophets’ both and found them wanting and unscriptural. Neither Boldea or Duduman are sinless or innocent.

    >>following in the footsteps of the ones who put to death the Christ. You are crucifying Christ afresh and putting Him to an open shame.

    That’s a bit melodramatic isn’t it? Since when is speaking out about false teachers and prophets ‘recrucifying Christ and putting Him to public shame’? Even if I were wrong in my surmises about Duduman, the scripture you quote is speaking about publically renouncing and apostasing to follow Jewish laws and ways, leaving grace for the law, it is certainly not recrucfying Christ to speak out about anyone – as Duduman is not Christ either. I put Dudaman ‘to shame’ by exposing him – but Christ, never. You are being idolotarous! Though I do not crucify him, his false teachings and lies should die as they do much damage in the body – as you amply have demonstrated.

    >>before the ground opens its mouth and swallows you alive.

    Oh well, you are competing now with William Branham’s disciple to see who will get me first…they threatened me and my husband with being run over a ten ton truck for speaking out about false prophet Branham, so you’re choosing the ground swallowing me up for speaking up about false prophet Duduman. Nice of you! Christlike of you! And I could lose my salvation now for it too as well, so judgment not just now but eternally for following my conscience and the Spirit of God? Dodgy theology there on your part. That would get the fearful trembling and keep them quiet, and your secret safe, but not I, for you distort the word so – even if I were wrong about Duduman, what you are saying is false about someone losing their salvation for it. How dare you! (And hey, if your bad theology is right, you risk by your own standards bringing wrath on yourself for judging me, one of the Lord’s anointed and chosen, and one of his true servants….)

    None of you should fear testing and weighing – or even honest debate – if your Spirit and prophet is good, that is. It certainly is not blaspheming the Spirit to be a noble minded Berean. If the Bereans can test Paul and not have him or his followers get shirty, or issuing threats about it, I don’t think Duduman or Boldea are exempt from being tested, or should get shirty when the scriptural plumbline finds them FALSE.

    Paul called the Galatians ‘foolish’, so your quote about Jesus sayings about going to hell and losing one’s salvation for saying ‘you fool’ is totally out of context or Paul would be in hell – Jesus was talking about hypocrisy and the fact all men have sinned and totally missed the mark, and the heart matters as well as the outside deeds – hence the need for the cross and salvation and GRACE to be saved from sins on the inside as well as the outside. You need to know about GRACE and study it a lot more as you have have been influenced far too much from works theology from the Duduman camp.

    Nila and youself have both been very foolish here theologically so I’ll call you both fools for it. I think you’ll also find the word Jesus used was a bit ruder and stronger than the English for ‘fool’.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 2, 2008

  97. It seems like Chris could fall into the category of idol worshipper since he associates loss of salvation with speaking out against Duduman. Boy someone touched his hotspot.

    Comment by Mary | April 2, 2008

  98. Hello,
    It saddens me to have read all this venom being poured out by what I believe are people that should be upholding each other in Christ. I do not know which side is right in this debate over Duduman. I’m not in one camp or the other I just pray that I do and believe what is right in THE LORDS eyes. I believe everyone here is a well meaning Christian so it seems to me that if there is disagreement(s) over this that posts 68 and 72 which invite the sides to dialog (being out of the country might make a phone call more convenient) should happen. The posts back and forth are going nowhere as important questions are not being addressed directly, just accusations about who knows more about scripture, who is deluded, a fool, etc. The offer for face to face dialog (or phone, radio, etc.) so that the disagreements can be settled according to the Scripture seems genuine. If that does not happen it would be very telling I believe. I pray for all of us so that we can see what is true and please the LORD.

    GOD Bless You All

    Comment by Dov | April 3, 2008

  99. Dov: there is no reason why it has to be face to face – there are a lot of reasons why this would be difficult and costly at this time to implement anyway – and Boldea and the ministry cannot simply answer the points put to him here. Obviously, I welcome the chance for a face to face encounter in future – but in the meantime it has to be here.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 4, 2008

  100. I’ve been sitting back and watching your postings on this matter for some time now. I agree with Gene’s open invitation to you (Miriam) and agree with Dov’s comments on the matter. It truly saddens me also and I believe that this has placed a black-eye on the church as a whole. I have said repeatedly that Satan’s greatest victory in the house (body of Christ) is the house divided. Matthew 12:25 says, “And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand,” I believe this to be true here and now on this site.

    Miriam, have you taken Dov’s suggestion and called Gene? I just looked it up on their site 1-(866)-371-7636. I also read your post of inability and cost to go see them at this time. If it is a matter of money, may we be allowed to take up a collection for you to accomplish your meeting with them?

    Yes, I feel that this matter needs to be concluded and all of us who have been reading, watching and praying on my end will continue to do so for all parties involved.

    God will judge true and false, every word that comes out of each individuals mouth, including what is typed from their fingers onto a blog. But most importantly, may God be praised and glorified in all that we say and do, let us stop bringing shame to his holy name.

    My prayer for all of us is that God’s truth will be heard and the hearts of those who speak against truth repent to our God, for his grace and mercies are sufficient. Amen

    Comment by Karolyne | April 4, 2008

  101. Karolyne:

    You’re missing the point here. They can easily respond on this blog as Gene et al have still not answered many of the points raised here on this blog. They tried to fob me off with the standard patter they give most folk, threw in a few insults along with the standard ‘touch not my anointed’ rubbish, but it did not work on me. Their offering a meeting is thus really a smokescreen and achieves nothing….(though it makes them SEEM very reasonable)…. for the points still need answered out in the open, with ideally more than one independent witness, and they have not been answered despite a request to do so…and it is more than evident they are aware of not only this blog, but also my specific points that have not been answered. I have not been in hiding or fobbing off or raising a smokescreen.

    Having a ‘meeting’ – or even calling on the telephone – is no more biblical than talking on a blog about something like this, when it effects the whole body and is testing and weighing both prophecy and the prophets. It is also scriptural to publically rebuke false teaching and prophecy. Telephone calls and meetings are also hard to prove after the event what was and what was not said at them – it is my word over someone else’s – and this is very important in this scenario where there is some distrust among some that they faithfully relay the accurate truth of events 100% without embellishment, lies, twisting or fraud or ‘translation errors’.

    Boldea speaks enough good English to be able to make his points here NOW, and dialogue, and it can be far more effective than a meeting, with many independent witnesses for good measure.

    I still welcome the opportunity for a meeting with him face to face – but it is honestly not possible for various reasons at this point in time for me to go over to the United States. It is not a question of money – but thank you for the offer – (although as a careful steward I question the wisdom in spending money on a trip ONLY for that reason to speak to Boldea face to face, saying the same things as I already have on here, when it can be done just as effectively here.) This can be ‘concluded’ here, right now, if the ministry are prepared to be open, honest and accountable, and answer the scriptural points raised and provide the other evidence requested. I am not stalling at all – it is they that are.

    I see Karolyne, that you have already judged me because of what you say – yet I have not erred, rather I have spoken out based on the word of God as my plumbline.

    This has not placed a black eye on the ‘whole church’, though it gives Boldea’s ministry a blackeye – and rightly so – when it has such dangerous errant teaching mixed in with what may or may not do some good. And so my speaking out achieves what it is supposed to be achieve – but those who are blinded to the truth by trusting man’s word over God’s, or those who have been decieved by Boldea and Duduman are not going to like it. Well tough luck – such is the nature of deception and false teachers. I am not going to shut up because you guys don’t like it, even if I be in the minority on this one. If I were not confident of what I was saying I would not dare say it.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 4, 2008

  102. Miriam,
    Why are you so angry? Your last post seems to lash out at Karolyne saying that she has judged you, wants to “shut you up”, etc. Forgive me but I didn’t see anything of the sort in her post #100. She seems to be saying that we should strive to be in agreement and I didn’t see her coming down as a judge against you or Gene, Jeff, me, etc., I just think she was saying that GOD would not like the bickering and that if someone is lying or being intentionally decietful that they will be judged by a higher authority (don’t you agree?) Again, I’m not affiliated with anyone other that my local church here in Montana so I don’t want you to think that I’m for/against anyone. I just think that we should get along if possible. Just reading all the posts in this thread it seems to me that Jeff in particular has made a sincere effort to address your questions, concerns and points. I’m not saying that he is correct but he does say, quote- “as I read through your posts, I find myself agreeing with your theological viewpoint on numerous issues. I’m just having a problem with your discernment of Dumitru.” end quote. I don’t know what else to say other than you seem to have made up your mind about this man (Duduman) and nothing will change that. As for me I am not a follower of his but I don’t see any fault with the core of his message(s) which seem to be repent and come to Jesus. Even if he is not a prophet, that doesn’t seem to be false or harmful to me at least. My post was just a suggestion that the salient points may be missed in this posting back and forth and maybe could be reconciled by phone? I’m sure that there is nothing preventing you from doing that at no cost other than the lack of a phone or a physical problem that hinders your ability to use one? In any event, this is all really none of my business, I just happened on your blog and after reading it had hoped that reasonable people would try to understand each other’s viewpoints.

    God Bless You

    Comment by Dov | April 4, 2008

  103. Miriam,
    I hope I am being clear. I am not a follower, (are the people affiliated with his organization followers?), I just don’t see the harm in what he has said. I cannot discern if what he said was divinely inspired or not, I just don’t see the message of repentance, coming to the LORD, etc. as being harmful. I don’t want to be a “folower” of anyone except JESUS, but neither do I want to put down anyone who is trying to win souls for him. If the organization is trying to make people do things that are contrary to scripture, then I have a problem. Otherwise, they should go in peace.

    I hope what I’ve said does not insult you and makes sense.

    God Bless You Again

    Comment by Dov | April 4, 2008

  104. The ol’ Matthew 18 as an ‘out’ has been used over and over to try to silence the false teachers’ critics. I like what was written over on the Sign of Jonah blog on this:

    http://signofjonah.wordpress.com/2007/02/06/defeating-defeater-4-go-to-your-brother/#comments

    This next post is also good. Even though the main subject of the post is IHOP/Mike Bickle, the principles remain the same in any post:

    http://signofjonah.wordpress.com/2006/12/13/defeating-defeaters-so-we-can-talk/#comments

    Comment by Lee | April 4, 2008

  105. Miriam, thank you for your expose. Personally, I am a bit gullible and believe ‘right off’ some of the things I hear in Christendom. There is enough Scripture in my heart to detect many things that are wrong, but those things closer to the real are harder for me to identify. Reading this whole thread (and I used to love reading Hand of Help) revealed another side. I hear both sides now and the reaction of the pro Duduman camp are rather unChristlike and threatening in their manner. Not to mention all the doubtable theology and supernatural experiences. By their own words they put Duduman on a pedestal. I love your feisty honest defense of Scripture. Thanks for being the lone voice, many of us out here in the wilderness do have ears to hear. Please don’t despair or give up. All you folk in the Duduman camp, if you would tout for Jesus as much as you do for Duduman……..?

    Comment by shoshana | April 5, 2008

  106. Dov

    >> just don’t see the message of repentance, coming to the LORD, etc. as being harmful.

    Dov, that message is not harmful. The thing with false teachers and false prophets though, is that they mix dangerous things or the lies, ‘just’ a little off course perhaps, but still dangerous, among the good things and the true things, and the church swallows these things too because they do not obey the Lord’s command to test and weigh….and the church gets damaged. (Read the prophecy about the locusts attacking the wheat en masse to see the danger of ‘little errant bits’, to see God’s overall view of false teaching – a little leaven works through the whole batch, how true! http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/prince-charming-and-the-forgotten-gospel/ )

    IF we should just leave them to go in peace (as you imply) as they preach a repentence message and may do some good, or even have signs accompanying them, then why did Paul contend with the so-called super apostles and warn the church about them etc, as the super apostles do not sound too bad, on the face of it – but they were, and they spoke about Jesus too so by your logic should have been left alone – they were probably just a bit ‘off’ but Paul knew how much damage they could do, hence his speaking out. Also Duduman and Boldea are not just a little off on some points of theology, they are a long way off – eg. their teaching that works and holiness can save one from the end time persecution/tribulation is heretical and extremely dangerous.

    Why am I being attacked for pointing out the scriptural inconsistensies with this ministry – as well as the problems with logic and his storyline? It is not hard for anyone to see that I am right on at least some points – it’s been proven by history – and Duduman is a false prophet. How people, therefore, can think there is room to manoevere, and still idolise him, is beyond me – but such is the nature of deception, I suppose.

    Supporters of Duduman are acting as if I have blasphemed the Holy Spirit, and I even have had threats on my life for speaking out about him – yet I have not made up anything about him, all this is in the public domain! BUT EVEN if I were wrong with my conclusions (which obviously I do not think but for the sake of argument, IF), it has never been wrong or sinful to debate things and weigh them up, if one is being a noble minded Berean. No ministry, or prophet, has anything to fear for someone applying a scriptural plumbline to their fruit. And if the fruit cannot be shown to be good – why attack the one holding the plumbline, surely one should ‘attack’ the one whose bad fruit it is!

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 5, 2008

  107. ps

    Dov, I’m NOT ‘angry’, but I do say what I mean boldly – people do want to shut me up, and people have judged me, threatening me with death etc…but I will not shut up because of it. They do not like my conclusions – tough. To say ‘tough’ and to say I will not be silenced, is not ‘anger’ – it is saying clearly what I mean. (Would you not say similar to a Hare Krisha who was offended by what you said, or a Mormon or whoever? ‘You don’t like it? Well tough, I will not be quiet because you are offended by my conclusions about your false religon, and to say it is lies’?) (It was quite clear what Karolyne was really saying – you may have missed it, but I did not.) I did not think you insulted me, by the way.

    This is also not ‘bickering’ or even ‘not getting along with’. You fail to see the damage of false teaching and false prophecy in the church, hence you call it mere bickering when it is actually something far more important than this – and is literally life and death for some folk.

    Supposing you knew someone had deliberately made up religious experiences for his own gain, and was going around the Christian circuit with his dangerous made up stories and lies. Would you tolerate this – would you not warn the church who were taken in by it, and believing it, swallowing it hook, line and sinker? There are many on the Christian circuit today who are liars – for various reasons, self promotion, money, control, scheming, whatever. I know it, and many in the church know it, yet they tolerate it, and even welcome it, thinking if it saves some, it is ok, the end justifies the means as they still talk about Jesus so they must be good. This is not righteous, let alone biblical, or living in the light.

    I don’t know what else to say other than you seem to have made up your mind about this man (Duduman) and nothing will change that.

    Well, of course I have made up my mind about him – because I have read his stuff and the errors within it are glaring – just like I’ll never change my mind about the errancies of Mormon LDS founder Joseph Smith. However, if the Hand of Help ministry care to show me where I have MISUNDERSTOOD what has been said, I am all for scriptural debate on some points. I even ‘gave’ Jeff the fact there could be mistranslation errors accounting for SOME of it – (though they have still not been corrected to date if so, and there is also no doubt of some of what he meant as Boldea repeats it too today…) Yet, I have still not had answers yet to my questions from the ministry, or the supply of the evidence I asked for re a famous story.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 5, 2008

  108. Lee

    Thanks for those links, they are well put.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 5, 2008

  109. Here’s yet another great post describing ‘loaded language.’

    http://signofjonah.wordpress.com/2007/08/18/the-loaded-language-of-the-prophetic-movement/#comments

    Comment by Lee | April 5, 2008

  110. Shoshana,
    You made a really good point. If the supporters of Duduman
    would tout Jesus as much as they do Duduman…
    Someone somewhere said contending for the faith does not mean defending the actions and authenticity of another person. When supporters spend more time defending the person, you really have to wonder where their faith is placed.

    Comment by Mary | April 5, 2008

  111. It seems Duduman has replaced Jesus as being ‘the be all and end all’ of everything ’scriptural’. As I said in a previous post, it appears Duduman is actually worshipped by his ‘followers’.

    As for the death threats; well now we know what spirit is operating in the minds of Duduman’s followers. You don’t even have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!

    Comment by Deborah | April 5, 2008

  112. Miriam,
    I certainly do not condone falsehood and was unaware that some have threatened you for your opinion. Again, I just was reading some of the visions attributed to him and happened upon your blog and hoped that it was just a misunderstanding between 2 sincere fellowships. I don’t really know enogh about them or you to give an opinion that is meaningful. If his followers are indeed worshiping him I think we all know that is wrong. My intent was just to try and be helpful but perhaps I should bow out of this due to ignorance. I sincerely hope that we all know that in the end, CHRIST and GODS Word through the bible are what we should be counting on for our salvation.

    GOD Bless All Here

    Comment by Dov | April 6, 2008

  113. PROVERBS 16:7 When a man’s ways are pleasing to the LORD, He makes even his enemies to be at peace with him.

    These “enemies” can be people, nature, the weapons people use, and even death! When a man exercises the authority God has given Him by faith, nothing can by any means harm him without his spirit and God’s Spirit coming into total agreement that the time has come to “enter into rest” (DAN. 12:13), and if that time should come, “death” will not be accompinied by “the sting of death” but will be met joyfully and gladly, as if God removes the spirit before the “sting” is felt; 1COR. 15 refers to “death” as an enemy, and calls identifies its sting as sin; but when a man’s way are pleasing to the Lord, sin is already dead so that physical death presents no sting. This explains every saint (such as Stephen in ACTS 7:54-60) who has ever died with a smile on their faces. It is said of Paul that he hurried out in joy to be beheaded when his time came. Jesus said, “If anyone keeps My word, he shall never taste of death.” Though all (except 2) have died, none who kept Christ’s word tasted their death – they gladly welcomed it and died with a smile on their faces – there was no agonizing “sting of death” experienced by them, for God was gracious to them to make their enemy (death) be at peace with them.

    Now, concerning the fact that such a man’s spirit and God’s Spirit are in total agreement before he can be put to death, we see in the Scriptures that Jesus had multitudes of chances to be put to death before He willingly laid down His own life. He said, “No one takes My life, but I lay it down on my own accord, and I have the power to take it up again.” He also said, “As the Father has given Me authority, so I give you.” What was this authority Jesus was given so that we might exercise it? Comparing MAT. 8:23-27, MARK 4:36-41, and LUKE 8:22-25, we learn that though Jesus was given the authority to command the violent sea storm to be still, He rebuked His disciples, who thought they would surely die, for not using that same authority while He slept on His cushion! Imagine that. He has given such authority to us and rebukes us when we do not use it! He had the opportunity to be put to death by people who wanted to throw Him down from the cliff, but He exercised the authority to pass through the midst of them and go on His way (LUKE 4:28-30)! At other times, He was hidden from the eyes of the people who wanted to stone Him to death (JOHN 8:59). Finally, when He was willing to lay down His life, He refused to exercise the authority He had to call upon 10,000 angels to keep Him from dying. Even while hanging on the cross, Jesus spoke the words, “Father, into Your hand, I commit My spirit,” immediately before He breathed His last. This tells us that when a man’s ways please God, his spirit and God’s Spirit will be in total agreement before he can die.

    Some might say, “That was Jesus!” but as we saw from MARK 4:36-41, Jesus expects us to use the same authority which His Father gave to Him – He said, “As the Father has sent Me, so I send you: Raise the dead, cleanse the leper, heal the sick, etc.” The Bible sums up the gospel in just three words: “Christ in you” – if you say Christ is in you, then is He “the same yesterday, today, and forever” as the Bible says He truly is, or do you believe the one who is in you is a weaker “Christ” than the one you read of in the Bible? This wasn’t even a question for men like Peter and John and Paul and…Just like Christ, these men had several chances to be put to death by “the beast” before their death finally came. “The beast” tried locking them in prison (ACTS 5:17-26, 12:1-19, 16:22-34), only for God to send angels to break chains, open prison doors, and lead them past sleeping soldiers, etc., just so that they could go back out and preach in the temple! And when kings pursued those who were not ready to die (ACTS 12:1-23), God brought sudden death to them, and when necessary, He warned His own by way of dreams to flee, and told them where to flee and what to do when they get there! Later, He would say, “Return, for those who sought your child’s life are dead.” All of this says that a man’s spirit will agree with God’s Spirit before he dies, if his ways are pleasing to the Lord. These men could not be put to death until their spirit was in total agreement with God’s Spirit that the time for them to “fall asleep” (1TH. 4:13) had come. Peter had at least one chance to be put to death before he finally laid down his own life – he had been thrown in a prison cell awaiting his execution, locked up with chains, while a soldier guarded his cell, and yet, beyond all the laws of nature, God brought Him out and commanded Him to go back to work! God honored Peter’s faith; God honored Daniel’s faith (DAN. 6) when the Medo-Persian beast tried to put Daniel to death in the lion’s den; God honored Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah’s faith (DAN. 3) when the Babylonian beast tried to put them to death in the fiery furnace. God honored the faith of Jehoshephat (2CHRONICLES 20) and Gideon (JUDGES 7) when three giant beasts came against them from three directions to put them to death, only to end up killing each other and leaving the children of God alone with the plunder of three kingdoms! Do you want to be invincible to the beast? Then start praying, fasting, and seeking the Lord right now! Daniel was so close to God that even when he was thrown into the lion’s den just for praying to his God (as some will face death just for refusing the mark of the beast), the king acknowledged, “Your God whom you CONSTANTLY SERVE will Himself deliver you.” Imagine that! A pagan king acknowledged that Daniel was a man who CONSTANTLY SERVED his God, AND even he (the king of one of 8 beast empires in the Bible) had more faith that God would deliver Daniel than some people who claim to be Christians have today! That is the sad in which the church is today, but God will change that during the great tribulation! Why did God do for Daniel exactly what the king said He would do? Because, as Daniel said, “I was found innocent before Him.” When a man’s ways please the LORD, He makes his enemies (the lions, and even the king himself, in this case) to be at peace with him. Was the king angry? No, we read that he was PLEASED and gave the order to lift Daniel out and to throw in the men who maliciously accused Daniel. There will come a time when those who shine most brightly for God will be accused by “wise men” who seek to destroy them, and their own trap will not kill thosew who “are found innocent in God’s eyes,” but THOSE WHO MALICIOUSLY ACCUSED THEM! It happened to Haman in the book of Esther. Mordecai the Jew…OH, he is another example I could expound upon, but you’ll just have to read the whole book of Esther, because the same characters that appear in the book of REVELATION are there in type in the book of ESTHER! Mordecai is a type of those who are to be kept alive during the coming great tribulation – “because he was found innocent in God’s eyes” when Haman set a trap to take his life, and the trap ended up taking Haman’s life instead! These same truths are repeated in DANIEL 3.

    If and when it is your time to die, your spirit and God’s Spirit will be in total agreement, if your ways are pleasing to God, before He allows you to “lay down your life of your own will” even as Jesus laid down His life without calling on 10,000 angels to rescue Him. During the great tribulation, very few of God’s people, because they did not prepare ahead of time, will not be aware of the authority they have aganst the beast, and they will submit to death; but even for them, death will be a joy if their ways are pleasing to God. Others will use the authority God gave them and will be among those who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord. When the beast tries to touch the mountain on which they stand, they will die. ISAIAH 35 is God’s promise to supply a “highway of holiness” on which no beast may walk when that time comes, and those who will be on that highway are walking in holiness right now, as it is written, “The unclean will not travel on it, but it will be for him who walks that way!” Are you walking that way now? When a man’s ways please the LORD, He makes his enemies to be at peace with him. Your walk today determines God’s divine protection of you until either the rapture comes first or until your spirit and His Spirit are in total agreement that you must enter into rest until the resurrection. Death will be at peace with you in the latter case.

    Be it unto you according to your faith.

    What did Michael have to say to me about Miriam?

    As far as the lady’s webside, I cannot give her what she wants, for I cannot add to what I have seen. In the end, God will judge us all. I have always been of the mindset, and will continue to be so until my dying breath, that men could think the worst of me, as long as they believe the best of Christ.

    Let us all make our ways pleasing unto the LORD so that He can make our enemies to be at peace with us. I will pray for you, Miriam and all who have spoken against Christ – not against Boldea, not against Duduman, but against Christ IN Boldea and Duduman. “It is not I who live, but Christ who lives in me.” That’s the gospel, and I believe it. Let all who would say “AMEN” say it here as we all go back to our Bibles before we draw conclusions from what others say to us about whether or not someone has the Spirit of God or the spirit of antichrist. A wrong judgment could lead to blasphemy against the Spirit of God. See MARK 3:28-30 (…because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”) Finally, brethren, remember what our brother, John, has written in 3JN. 1:11 – “Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good.” John wrote that while he was passing judgment between someone who was evil (Diotrephes) and someone who was good (Demetrius), and so, let us judge, yes, but let us be sure that the judgment we render is God’s judgment and not based on our mishandling of God’s word. Again, let all who would say “Amen” say it, let all who would remain unrighteous, remain so. As Brother Boldea said, “I cannot give her what she wants, for I cannot add to what I have seen. In the end, God will judge us all. I have always been of the mindset, and will continue to be so until my dying breath, that men could think the worst of me, as long as they believe the best of Christ.”

    Let all who would repent repent, and let all who truly walk with “Christ in them” prepare themselves today for the season that is coming, when God will restore to His people the faith to believe for the prison doors to open! Amen?

    Comment by Chris | April 8, 2008

  114. Chris:

    Your theology conclusions are all unfortunately hogwash, blasphemy on your part and also idolotary.

    During the great tribulation, very few of God’s people, because they did not prepare ahead of time, will not be aware of the authority they have against the beast

    Authority against the beast. Hmm have you forgotten the scripture, the power to make war against the saints and to OVERCOME THEM. ‘It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him,..’ (Rev 13:7) – Weymouth translation says ‘And permission was given him to make war upon God’s people and conquer them; and power was given him over every tribe, people, language and nation’. Revelation 11:7 ‘When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them.’ and Daniel 7:21 ‘I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them’ and ‘He SHALL DESTROY THE MIGHTY AND THE HOLY PEOPLE-Dan 8:24 We could go on continuing to demonstrate how your theology is just not true. Is this heresy and foolishness the result of what Duduman teaches and prophesies?

    Does Michael Boldea agree with your assessment, that by my expressing concerns about his inherited prophetic ‘ministry’, and his ancestor Duduman, I speak against Christ and not THEM personally? If he does, then the Lord rebuke him, and the Lord rebuke you all who think it too! I speak against THEIR WORDS and never Christ or HIS word, because of the ample evidence in the public domain that betrays THEM as false prophets – not because I choose to think the worst of them for the sake of it – so get rid of the persecution complex and the false super spirituality and prepare to measure up against the biblical plumbline.

    What I am doing is also a huge leap away from the pharisees criticising Jesus, the Son of God, who was NOT doing anything wrong, as compared to me criticising Boldea and Duduman, mere men, who I believe ARE doing something wrong, after I weighed them by biblical standards with an open mind, and the word of God, and not hypocrisy or unbelief. These men are not beyond reproach or criticism, as no man is. They should be able to provide answers when sought on critical issues, when there are glaring problems staring at us when their ministry is examined. I am not nitpicking about tiny things – these problems are huge. I was a Berean and found them wanting. If I have erred scripturally then you should welcome the chance to scripturally show me where I am wrong, but none have so far – all I am hearing is dangerous heresy and scripture twisting.

    >>That’s the gospel, and I believe it.

    So when someone falsely prophesies or lies, it is Christ in them lying is it? These men are errant men and not infallible gods. The apostle Paul commanded us to test and weigh all teaching and prophecy – why don’t you, Chris, instead of idolising the so-called prophets? The Lord rebuke you for your foolishness and gullibility in this regard and all the errant doctrine that spills forth from your lips – guard what you say as life and death is in your tongue!

    >>What did Michael have to say to me about Miriam?
    As far as the lady’s webside, I cannot give her what she wants, for I cannot add to what I have seen

    If that is a true comment, that Boldea really said, then this answer is hogwash too. I never asked for him to ADD anything to what he has allegedly seen, but he can EXPLAIN or clarify it, especially where the prophecies its current form, clearly contradicts the word of God as well as defies logic, reason and history.

    If he has nothing to hide, he can answer the numerous concerns put here about the practice and theology of his and his grandfather’s prophetic ministry over the years. Boldea, answer the qestions put to you biblically if you can, as well as give the data I asked for re the LDS angel etc (why has this data been so hard to supply, surely you should remember something so meaningful?) – don’t hide behind pretend superspirituality: ‘I have always been of the mindset, and will continue to be so until my dying breath, that men could think the worst of me, as long as they believe the best of Christ’ – which although it sounds very pretty to the undiscerning is actually fobbing me off, deferring from being accountable, and is actually the sort of behaviour more belonging to hypocrits and deceivers than to those walking in the light.

    WILL YOU BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT YOU HAVE TAUGHT AND PROPHESIED over the years, MICHAEL BOLDEA?

    IF NOT, WHY NOT? If it can be proven that you have erred in what you have said, biblically or historically, or are perpetuating falseness by handed down false prophecies from Duduman (even if it be unknowingly til now), will you be accountable for the false words spoken and passed on and sold and publically repent and apologise to the church and withdraw what was said? Instead of keeping them out there uncorrected in the public arena to continue to lead multitudes astray?

    And will you stop listening to the erroneous angels? Can you accept that if your experiences with angels are true and not made up, lied about or embellished, that you could have been led astray as you did not properly discern their true source or properly test and weigh them scripturally? Do you accept that what is given by angels must be 100% true or it reveals the angels’ identity as not being from the Lord God? Do you ever test and weigh what you hear or see ‘prophetically’, Michael? If not, why not?

    What do any of you have to fear from Biblical scrutiny for what you say? Don’t you want any of the church that hears you to discern and weigh what you teach? Why am I being shot down for loving the word of God and truth more than a man or a ministry’s reputation? If you truly love the word of God, if you love God, if you love truth, you should thank me for correcting you – even if you wake up to the unpleasant truth you have been led astray by decieving spirits, if spirits indeed have been speaking to you, and it is not just deliberate lies and misreporting of events for whatever reason? In which case, you have chance to repent.

    Are of you the mind I should be ‘judged’ for speaking out about you and your Duduman too?

    I advise Michael Boldea to personally come and answer these points in person here so we no longer have ‘he said she said’ Chinese whispers and any room for misunderstanding, but will hear from the horse’s mouth exactly what he believes on the matters raised – it can be clarified once and for all. At the moment several people (including those working at his ministry) are digging an even deeper hole for him, unfortunately, by making him look even worse by coming up with even more errant doctrine than is in the propheices and some very questionable behaviour. While I cannot blame Boldea for the sins or foolishness of his followers, in the absence of his direct response here, when he knows of this blog’s existence and has done so for some time, what is one supposed to conclude – that he condones this behaviour and errant theology? Do you, Michael – do you?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 8, 2008

  115. Dear Miriam,

    I have no interest or inclination in commencing a war of words with you. Although you may find me a worthy opponent, I am far too busy, and the entire exercise would prove futile at best. With that having been said, know that this will be my first and last post, and as such will be quite lengthy. This post is not due to your constant goading and attempted baiting, but rather due to the request of a sincere hearted individual who asked me to respond to certain obvious falsehoods.
    Let me begin by saying that I am not writing this in the hopes of convincing you of anything, or bringing you over to my side as the saying goes, for I know your mind is made up, and nothing I say will sway your stance. Contrary to your obvious beliefs, neither my grandfather (not my uncle as you have stated) nor myself sought out a following, and once the message that God had given was spoken, our duty was done. Whether men believe or not is entirely up to them. I speak what I see, and my hands are clean. My constant battle cry is look to Jesus, the author and finisher of your faith, for all men are, are signposts to Him. Having said ‘think the worst of me, but believe the best of Christ’ was not an attempt to ‘fob you off’, but my sincere stance on this matter.
    For the record, I do not believe God is ‘cold and harsh’ but I do believe He is just and righteous. I believe He judges sin without partiality, and said judgment begins in the house of God first and foremost.
    Since you seem to clutch onto hearsay as a drowning man would a life preserver, I will now point by point go through some of your assertions, and ascertain which are fallacious, which are factual, which are taken out of context, and which have been rehashed and reinterpreted by well meaning but evidently undiscerning men.
    What God has shown my grandfather and what He continues to show me is made available to everyone for free. We do not copyright any revelations, they are made available to the public domain, but I have no influence over the fact that some have taken these dreams and visions, made them into books and sold them, or interpreted them by way of their understanding at the time.
    1) My grandmother died two years before my grandfather’s passing. There was never any ‘word’ given that she would take over the ministry. Her involvement with Hand of Help extended only to packing boxes of clothing and food to be sent overseas to families wherein the man of the house was either in prison, or had been martyred for the cause of Christ.
    2) The meeting to which you allude took place in Provo Utah in a college auditorium. As my grandfather and myself stood behind the podium a shout of hallelujah rang out. Although neither my grandfather nor myself saw the angel, we were told after the meeting was concluded that they had seen an angel descend behind us as my grandfather began to speak.
    3) I do not believe grace and works to be mutually exclusive, but rather that they work together toward a common goal. I believe works are an integral and necessary byproduct of a life in Christ, and that God does judge our works. It is incumbent upon the individual to repent, it is incumbent upon the individual to flee from evil, and it is incumbent upon the individual to strive for holiness.
    James 2:14, “What does it profit, my brethren if someone says he has faith bud does not have works? Can faith save him?”
    James 2:17-20, “Thus also faith by itself if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, ‘you have faith, and I have works.’ Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe – and tremble! But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
    James 2:24, “You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.”
    James 2:26, “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
    Revelation 3:1-2, “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive but you are dead. Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God.”
    4) I do not believed in the once saved always saved doctrine, and yes, I do believe that man can forfeit his birthright.
    Hebrews 6:4-6, “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.”
    5) My grandfather never claimed to be a prophet. Neither he nor I have claimed this title, although it would seem some have no qualms, and are even nonchalant about elevating themselves to such positions. He was a man who put Christ first, and abhorred any glory directed toward him personally.
    6) Yes, I believe there are many in the world today that call themselves children of God, but are in fact illegitimate sons and daughter, those whom God has never known. I believe it was this segment, those who are Christian in name only, that the vision of the black army was referring to.
    7) My grandfather never in his life set any dates. If any date is attributed to him it is by way of others interpreting his dreams or visions, and taking them out of context.
    8) My grandfather’s primary message to the church in America was not judgment, but repentance. After every sermon, he would kneel by his bedside in whatever hotel room we happened to be at the time, and ask God to make him a liar, to cause this nation to repent, and therefore be spared judgment. His reasons for traveling throughout America and preaching repentance were neither fame nor fortune, for I remember vividly having to carry him from cars to hotel rooms when his arthritis got too bad, and him asking God to release him of this responsibility. His only reason for doing what he did was obedience.
    9) Neither my grandfather nor I asked for this responsibility. After having suffered what he did in Romania, he believed, as did our entire family that we would come to America and have a respite from the labors, yet upon our arrival God burdened him with the message for America. Please keep in mind that my grandfather did not even know what or where Florida, Las Vegas, or New York were, his only point of reference in America being California where we were first brought after being kicked out of our home and our country.
    10) I realize full well my word carries no weight with you, but I can attest to the fact that he would come home bruised and beaten on quite a few occasions, and the memory of the police searching our home on a constant basis is still fresh in my mind. If you require independent corroboration of his testimony, I would suggest you travel to Romania and scour the Secret Police archives, some of which have been opened to the public.
    11) I have never taken up an offering in my life, and to the best of my knowledge neither had my grandfather until the day he died. The money that comes into the ministry goes to provide three meals a day, three hundred and sixty five days a year, to over one hundred children currently residing in a orphanage that the ministry built from the ground up, which also happens to employ over sixty locals who are in turn able to feed their families. If there is anything left over at the end of the month, it goes to make food packages that are distributed to the poor in the rural parts of Romania. If you believe either myself or any member of my family has grown rich, or profited from the gospel, madam, you are truly deceived. I rent an apartment in what amounts to a village in the dairy state of Wisconsin, and when I needed extra cash, I worked third shift at the local Wal Mart.
    12) Neither my grandmother nor my grandfather died of cancer as one of your comments stated. My grandmother died due to a congenital birth defect, a hole in her heart, and my grandfather’s body eventually gave out due to the tortures he underwent, the cause of death being attributed to renal failure.
    13) I believe the judgments of God have already commenced against America, by way of natural disasters, economic distress, warranted, or unwarranted hatred by other nations, and it will only increase exponentially as time passes.
    14) When referring to the protection of the saints in the last days, it was from the plagues that would come upon the earth, not from persecution or martyrdom. Yes, I believe that the pure of heart will be spared the wrath of the end times, the wrath that God will pour out upon the world, but they will not be spared persecution, for all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus, will suffer persecution.
    15) The Word tells us to test all things, and whenever I have a dream or a vision, it is exactly what I do. I spend time in prayer and fasting, and will not release a word until I have received confirmation. I am well aware of the gravity of the calling God has placed upon my life, as well as the severe punishment reserved for those who speak when God has not spoken. As one who is working out his salvation daily, with fear and trembling, I would rather be silent for the rest of my life, than speak when God has not spoken.
    16) I am certain I’m missing something but alas, this is all the time I have. One last thing, and certainly not least, if anyone did threaten you, shame on him or her! There is no justifiable excuse.

    With love in Christ,

    Michael Boldea Jr.

    Comment by Michael Boldea | April 9, 2008

  116. Dear Michael

    First of all, thank you for very much for coming and posting something here. However, it is a shame that you use such loaded language about me from the start of the post.

    I have no interest in a ‘war of words’ either – but I do have an interest in the truth. Now, if you want to call it a ‘war of words’ for me to ask pertinant important questions and make points, and disagree with others to get to this truth, and needing to be bold and steadfast in rebuking falsehood et al when falsehood is spoken, then so be it, but it’s a shame that you use such loaded language to paint me – and people like me – in a negative light.

    You claim the ‘entire exercise’ would be ‘futile’ (loaded language again, insinuating it is ignoble to be accountable to the body and answer crucial questions put) – yet it is not futile at all. If there are misunderstandings within the body of Christ about what you or Duduman have said, and you can clear these misunderstandings up so they are no longer believed or repeated, then that is far from futile – I would, in fact, say it is critical! And if error stops getting spread by repentence on the part of the one spreading this error (for whatever reason, whether it was innocent or intentional), then again this is not futile but wonderful. I have also said from the beginning if people show ME where I am wrong I am more than happy to talk and to correct it where applicable – this does not make me someone with a ‘closed mind’, unwilling to reason – despite your insinuations. I am in fact, quite the opposite (which you would know if you have discernment and heard from God.)

    >>This post is not due to your constant goading and attempted baiting,

    You claim I am ‘constantly goading’ and ‘attempted baiting’ – (more undermining and character assination just in those few words), yet I am not. I continue to assert my position when presented with ridiculous doctrine from your ‘fans’ and supporters, including those who work with or alongside your ministry, but to assert one’s scriptural position against heresy and foolishness is not goading or baiting. Obviously my conclusion about you and your relative’s ministry is not what you would like, but that does not make me, by default, a ‘nasty’ or ‘goading’ individual. That’s rather low of you, Michael – I expect better from any minister of the gospel, and certainly more from a ‘prophet’, I mean, one who claims to prophesy.

    I asked you to post personally, as I said in the last post, so we could get it from the ‘horse’s mouth’, exactly what is and what is not believed by you, as a lot of rubbish was posted in the interim. If I had no interest in the truth, Michael, and no desire to reason, and just wanted to dismantle your reputation and blacken you, then, among other things, I would not have allowed posts here, far less personally invited you here to speak!

    >>This post is not due to your constant goading and attempted baiting, but rather due to the request of a sincere hearted individual who asked me to respond to certain obvious falsehoods.

    Again, that’s rather a low blow. Your are implying the person who made the request of you was ’sincere hearted’ but I am not sincere hearted (because I disagree with you and have spoken out). Only your followers are ’sincere’ then? or those who keep quiet about the contradictions? Because someone rebukes your practices or theology does not make one insincere, in fact it is likely quite the opposite – do you only want surrounded by ear ticklers, Michael, who will agree with your every word and will not speak out when what you say is biblically errant?

    You obviously do not like me because of all the loaded language used by you (despite the ‘love in Christ’ at the end of the post, which kind of doesn’t have quite the same effect or sound of sincerity in this light) and are angry because I have spoke out about you. Therefore you paint me as the blackest individual just as Gene, your worker, made some low blows about me personally (the digs about me by you and Geno including: ‘insincere’, ‘undiscerning’, ‘presumptious’, ‘twisting’, ‘bitter’, ‘mis-informed’, ‘maligning’, ‘jealous’, ’self exalting’, ’self appointed’, ‘goading’, ‘baiting’, ‘decieved’, claiming you are a money grabber, ‘clinging onto hearsay’, and so ‘desparate’ to prove you wrong I will cling to nonsense even though I am drowning – quite the opposite, more then enough evidence betrays you, I am far from drowning. Rather you know I have show you up, and you are the ones that are drowning, as at least some people readihng this post have woken up – thank God. You are personally undermining me or attempting to, which again is lowdown and not what I would expect, even of you. I stuck to the points about you and Duduman based on the evidence – perhaps you could do me the honour of doing the same instead of fighting ‘dirty’. Can’t you answer scripture for scripture instead of getting personal and character assasination? – these are, after all, diversion tactics, used cleverly from answering the real points, critical points, which have STILL not been answered. In fact your post raises even more questions.

    As to ‘obvious falsehoods’, only one comment has been shown to be false (which I have corrected immediately) – about Duduman’s wife, which I have continually said could be discounted anyway and was of no account in coming to my conclusions about Duduman. Although it was made in good faith, I apologise to you and all for that specific comment nonetheless, and will not repeat it.

    >>Contrary to your obvious beliefs, neither my grandfather (not my uncle as you have stated) nor myself sought out a following

    Firstly, when did I ever say that you sought a following? This is not my ‘obvious belief’, and also, so what if you did seek a following? That point is not what is at stake here in betraying the words spoken as false, and is nothing to do with why I have spoken as I did.

    I stated ‘uncle’ in the previous comment (although not in the article), which was my slip ‘of the pen’ when writing the comment in a rush – as I too, I have many time demands, Michael, but yet will sacrifice a lot of my time and money for the sake of revealing TRUTH. I have corrected this uncle error now.

    >> and once the message that God had given was spoken, our duty was done.

    But this issue here that the messages were clearly NOT from God, or were a mixed bag at the very best. You are accountable for what you say – you can’t just say ‘job done’ and that’s it.

    >>I speak what I see, and my hands are clean.

    If that truly is the case, Michael, and you are truly reporting what is really shown by what you think are God’s angels, then although you may be genuinely and sincerely thinking what you see is true and you are being obedient, your hands are NOT clean in that you have not tested and weighed what you have heard and seen or passed on, neither did Duduman. You are accountable for false things passed on – whether innocently or not…. just like Hannaiah in Jeremiah was ‘judged’ though no doubt he meant well. While we can all make mistakes, and all be led astray, you are accountable and should examine yourself so as not to repeat these errors – whether done innocently or not. Speaking of deciet, and the spirit of error, what do you think of Duduman’s claim about feeling at home and liking the spirit at Browsnville? What do YOU think of the Toronto Blessing?

    >>Since you seem to clutch onto hearsay as a drowning man would a life preserver

    When have I ever done this? Again loaded language that is low-down of you and beneath your dignity. The one point that people raised and questioned to date was about Duduman’s wife, and I repeatedly and continuously said about that point, you can disregard it, this is not necessary for the sake of my points, as there are plenty of far more bigger and important things that we can PROVE that betray Duduman as a false prophet. I hardly, therefore, ‘clutched onto’ this information – and this can be proven to anyone who will read back! I think that statement can be said to be only piece of ‘hearsay’ in the article as everything else is based on theological assessment of words and practices. I have removed this claim from the article anyway now and have publically apologised for it and withdrawn it. See, I am not as bad or as ‘unmoveable’ or bloody minded as you claim. But withdrawing thi one comment – which I have always said is of no consequence for the conclusions come to – in no way changes my the assement of your prophetic ministry. I do accept your word on some things – although I will not accept your word on all things. How can I, when I know there are/have been lies coming out of the ministry that at best could be called ‘exageration’ and ‘embellishment’ and ‘false testimony’, at worst ‘fraud’, – and ‘double speak’ is used at times that is intended to be misleading which is not living in the light either (eg. the points about taking an offering which are misleading for reasons I’ll go into later)?

    But however strong my words about or to you are, if you have discernment, if you hear from God, then prophecy this to yourself: that if you are truly a servant of God and will to walk in his ways, I am not against you but for you! However, as I have repeatedly said, I love the truth and the word of God more than a man or ministry’s reputation, and you are not above being questioned, rebuked and/or corrected. Know this, that whatever has occured in the past, and whatever its reasons, if you vigorously rid yourself of the leaven then no-one will be more for you than I.

    >>What God has shown my grandfather and what He continues to show me is made available to everyone for free.

    Fair enough, but there is no denying that a large business is on the back of it – whether it be through donations, videos, books and DVDS or whatever.

    >>>some have taken these dreams and visions, made them into books and sold them

    And it was your ministry – not others – that published and sold the book for money, right (according to Jeff you self published editions), and it was Duduman that wrote this book – right? That is a lot of book royalties, bearing in mind how many copies have sold to date, however this money is disseminated afterwards.

    You also sell your own books, DVDs and tapes etc from your website and they are NOT cheap. It can hardly be said (as you imply) you only give away the word free and it is everyone else and not you merchandising it.

    >>I have no influence over the fact that some ….interpreted them by way of their understanding at the time

    You do have a responsibility though to clarify as much as possible what is said, and to correct errors if there is a common thread running through any distorted beliefs.

    >> The meeting to which you allude took place in Provo Utah in a college auditorium.

    What date about, please, and can you refer me to witnesses – if there were 250 or so, then one or two should not be hard to find?

    >> My grandfather never claimed to be a prophet. Neither he nor I have claimed this title, although it would seem some have no qualms, and are even nonchalant about elevating themselves to such positions.

    Your grandfather claimed to get dreams and visions given from God c/o angels. You and he claim to prophesy and to get prophecies. It is splitting hairs to say you do not claim to be ‘prophets’ as that is neither here nor there for the sake of discerning and weighing up what you say, or how I have weighed what is said. Would you rather I call you false teachers than false prophets instead? But if someone prophesies, and not just teaches, and what they prophesy is false, what shall we call them? If their angels prove false, what shall we call them? Decieved or decievers? There is far more accountability when prophesying as nobody expects a perfect teacher.

    Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with calling yourself a ‘prophet’ if that is what God has truly called you to be.

    >>My grandfather never in his life set any dates. If any date is attributed to him it is by way of others interpreting his dreams or visions, and taking them out of context.

    Your grandfather may not have said ‘Ist January 2000′ or whatever (though it was eluded to like many pre 2000 ‘prophets), but he did give approx timeframes, as already referred to. It is not taking them out of context, to say what I have said or to interpret them in this way – rather it is taking them out of context and distorting them to make them NOT be false and their dates already well gone. You really lose YOUR integrity by claiming this, in order to try and keep his reputation. For if you admitted he was wrong, you show him and possibly yourself up to be false.

    >>If you believe either myself or any member of my family has grown rich, or profited from the gospel, madam, you are truly deceived

    More loaded language again from you, Michael. When have I ever said this? That is one allegation I have never made about you, as I have no proof of it, neither do I think it. There can be many reasons why people lie and embellish testimonies and prophecies on the Christian circuit, other than money – although money is a major one. Some are genuinely decieved and sincerely heretical. Some make money for others and not themselves. I have never made such a claim about you or Duduman’s personal financial motives or lifestyle, although I have said Duduman’s prophecies are money spinners – for whoever – and it is perfectly right and fair to say many people do benefit financially from the money brought in from them. Therefore to admit ‘we were wrong’ or ‘we lied’ would stop money coming in, wouldn’t it – for whoever? There’s a lot riding on your ministry admitting ‘we were wrong’.

    You claim all the money from the ministry goes to support oprhans etc, but then how do you support yourself, how do you live? (I have no problem with anyone drawing a reasonable salary by the way).

    I have never taken up an offering in my life, and to the best of my knowledge neither had my grandfather until the day he died

    Furthermore to claim you or Duduman have never taken an offering, I suggest is double speak. If you do not have your own church, but rather are itinerent out on the road, then no visiting minister usually does takes an up offering himself (which is not his place), but the home minister takes the love offering on his behalf, and/or offers an honarium/expenses. That is the practice in most churches I have been to. In addition leaflets can be handed out, and the ministry otherwise promoted at the venue, and books and DVDs etc sold. So although you may never have personally passed around the collection bag, a collection bag is still passed around virtually under your nose, its proceeds for YOU/your ministry. You know this, I know this, so why use the double speak here? It does not help your cause at all, it just makes it appear you have something to hide.

    Furthermore YOU do take up an offering from your website under the DONATE tab. You also sell books, DVDs and tapes etc from your website and they are NOT cheap – there is significant markup. If your interest is to disseminate the word, then why not sell these at only just above cost?

    As for offerings, I think it was Gene from your ministry who mentioned about the short changed offering c/o Stan Johnson and the prophecy club?

    “Also, Mike did a prophecy conference for Stan in which Stan said he was going to take up a free-will offering and give it all to Hand of Help. At the end of the night, one of the workers that was counting the money mentioned to Mike that the amount was over $15,000. Later, Stan approached Mike and said (something to this effect); “Great News…we collected $3,000 from the free-will offering.” I may have the amounts incorrect, but the point is that Stan lied to Mike and kept back a large portion of the money that was going to be given to Hand of Help.”

    Why are you zeroing in on an allegation about you and money that I have never actually made, and ignored pretty much all my main points that betray Duduman?

    It was not I that said he or his wife died from cancer, by the way, it was another poster.

    >>When referring to the protection of the saints in the last days, it was from the plagues that would come upon the earth, not from persecution or martyrdom.

    But that’s NOT what the prophecies say at all, nor is it what your followers think – even your most die hard fans who have all the videos etc. How come you are now disgreeing with what the angels allegedly said to Duduman?

    >> I will not release a word until I have received confirmation

    Confirmation being what for you exactly?? And what happens if you get confirmation and release a word and it is still wrong, as has been the case before?

    >> if anyone did threaten you, shame on him or her!

    Well, it’s a relief that YOU do not condone this, but I am rather dissapointed overall by your response and its tone.

    >>rehashed and reinterpreted by well meaning but evidently undiscerning men.

    That’s rather rich, bearing in mind ther lack of discernment shown by your ministry to date with its unbiblical theology :(

    What are your links to Catholicism, by the way?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 10, 2008

  117. I said this and not Geno:

    “Also, Mike did a prophecy conference for Stan in which Stan said he was going to take up a free-will offering and give it all to Hand of Help. At the end of the night, one of the workers that was counting the money mentioned to Mike that the amount was over $15,000. Later, Stan approached Mike and said (something to this effect); “Great News…we collected $3,000 from the free-will offering.” I may have the amounts incorrect, but the point is that Stan lied to Mike and kept back a large portion of the money that was going to be given to Hand of Help.”

    By the way….I’m still trying to get the video from the Mormon fella’ but he’s being unresponsive. Maybe he searched on my name and decided to not communicate.

    Comment by Jeff | April 14, 2008

  118. “You claim all the money from the ministry goes to support oprhans etc, but then how do you support yourself, how do you live?”

    From what I know, his wife works and supports them. They have no children and live meagerly.

    Comment by Jeff | April 14, 2008

  119. Jeff and to whosoever will, there is an article on the GJIGT website called “accuser of the brethren” which is scriptural and speaks of many of these things we are all hearing and seeing in these days.
    Continue to stand and be strong and of good courage for the days are evil. Pray for all of our brothers and sisters and pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
    Shalom
    rebecca

    Comment by rebecca | April 15, 2008

  120. Thank you Miriam for standing up for the truth even though after reading the comments you had much opposition.. This is a quote from the author of “The Kingdom of the Cults”, “Controversy for the sake of controvery is sin, controversy for the sake of truth is divine.”

    Thanks again for your love of the truth.

    Brenda

    Comment by Brenda Kitchens | April 15, 2008

  121. http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org/?page=judgment

    Comment by Ecclesiastes 1:9 | April 16, 2008

  122. Ecclesiastes: I know God can change his mind and defer judgement but that is really not the main points here when what Duduman and Boldea said was unscriptural etc etc. Did you also read about what I said if GOD does genuinely change his mind – eg He lets his prophet know first to clearly forespeak it, and the specific reason for changing his mind, rather than just leave their words unhung and unfulfilled, for the prophet then to use as a cop-out when their predictions do not come to pass - ‘God must have changed his mind?’ God always vindicates His prophets, He does not leave them looking like false ones after the event – unless they are false ones, that is.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 16, 2008

  123. Dear Steve, I know your’re wrong about Dudaman’s prophecies because you are wrong about our father’s ability to heal anyone without the aid of sorcery(doctors).My Lord never used a doctor to give healing to anyone.

    If you understand our lord Yehowshua(his name is not Jesus) he said he does not know the day nor hour of his return and that statement remains true today. When we as christians are given direction, our father has to use [symbolization] in dreams and visions to help us understand exactly what he want us to know because we as humans sometimes like to assume to much and therefore misunderstand his direction. He would not have to do so as much if his children would put their noses in the book that he gave them and study like crazy. Your perception of God’s ability to perfectly heal without the aid of doctors is impaired because you don’t believe that by the wounds of Yehowshua you were healed. Whenever a Physical attack comes upon you or your family fear grips your brain and suggest that you need help and you may not understand that the battle is not yours but the Lord. you therefore retreat without Yehovah’s permission and go to your favorite doctor.

    You have been given by our father Yehovah ,multiple repetitive dreams that you believe are attacks of satan. You therefore misinterpret them and get the message wrong.

    Please go into supplication and prayer because within three years our father is going to begin raising many of his people from the grave by his Sons for there are many of us who will honor his will for in these last days the whole earth is waiting for the manifestation of the Sons of God. If you commend us for our wonderful works of God you will lose a many crowns as you just did by claiming that my brother is a false prophet.

    Remember angels are messengers for those who will listen and God sends his voice through donkeys to those who don’t.

    Comment by Adyeshuwa | April 17, 2008

  124. Brother Duduman was and Brother Boldea is an anointed man of God

    2 Peter 2

    1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

    2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

    3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

    4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

    5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

    6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

    7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

    8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

    9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

    10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.

    11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.

    12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

    13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

    14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

    15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

    16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

    17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

    18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

    19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

    20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

    21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

    22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

    Comment by Brother Eric | April 20, 2008

  125. Adyeshuwa

    >> If you understand our lord Yehowshua(his name is not Jesus)

    That’s quite telling…isn’t it – ‘his name is not Jesus’ so who is your Lord then?? *ponder, ponder, ponder*

    >> Remember angels are messengers for those who will listen and God sends his voice through donkeys to those who don’t.

    And the Holy Spirit comes to abide in those those who are truly born again and brings the person into all rememberance and understanding – heard of Him? Obviously not.

    Comment by Deborah | April 20, 2008

  126. Lastly, who is Steve? I searched this page and can’t find that name anywhere.

    Comment by Deborah | April 20, 2008

  127. Very well done endtimespropheticwords! Iam very happy to see Gods warrior’s defending the truth. Because you are the salt of this world. Without it, this world its not worthy its dust.

    To many are afraid of Duduman and Boldea, but what does the bible say?

    Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

    Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    What did Jesus say about false prophets?

    Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
    Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

    Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

    How come many falls in traps, and what happens to followers of a false prophets.

    Jer 5:31 The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end?

    Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
    Jer 14:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.
    Jer 14:16 And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them.

    What does God want from us regarding the truth?

    1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    endtimespropheticwords, May God bless you!

    2 Tim 4:2 [NIV] Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction.
    2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
    2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

    Comment by Shlomo | April 20, 2008

  128. Have ya’ll prayed about who is right and who is wrong, yet?

    I’m sure you have, but who is the false prophet if the nice man from Romania has never called himself a prophet.

    Dimitri(I can only spell his name the way it sounds) came to my church in San Diego back in 89 or so and I had never or nor have I ever met a man so humble in my life. He spoke in Romanian with an English spokesman.

    His stories all seemed so true … his testimony of God delievering him from cruel men is one of the best I have ever heard.

    I just found out about Dimitri and his angel visitations spelling out the end times last November. I wondered about what had happened to him and typed in his name to a search engine.

    He had been dead for ten years before I knew of these angel stories. At first I didn’t want to believe in the dream of Russia defeating USA in a surprise nuclear attack, because America has a war with China and Russia pushes the panic button.

    I saw all of the men, women and children around me dying in the Pacific Northwest and it hurt, it hurt bad. Still does, but if it is God it is not contestable.

    I have been more sober since November … can that hurt anything to be more sober from a vision or a dream this great man of God has had?

    Worldly sorrow leads to death, but Godly sorrow leads to repentance.

    I found this blog by looking up another prophet Bob Jones and I was grateful to find out his mistakes before I made one in accepting his prophecies, but Dimitri?

    I wll be gad to meet this great warrior for God someday in heaven.

    Have you ever been delivered from a cell full of rats?

    I don’t think so … niether have I … I don’t even want my faith to be tested like that.

    That ole devil is lying to someone, uh?

    The devil is a liar and a murderer …

    God bless the truth being your witness on both sides.

    The truth is we don’t know if Dimitri is right or wrong, but we do know that God doesn’t want us to be afraid. He wants us to be ready … lets be soul savers and keep the faith till the end. The end of time as man knows it.

    I have been humbled by this conflict … I will go and rest and pray about it now.

    Love you all,
    geetrue

    P.S. That old devil’s real name is the hinderer. He is a hinderance to our ability to precieve Gods perfect will.

    Comment by geetrue | April 27, 2008

  129. sorry adyeshuwa (my husband got this false christian website) from a link called apostasy watch, the ministers name is steve.

    who by the way removed your rhectoric of mike and dimitru with my pleading with him to consider what the implication of accusing a brother might come to.

    did you go to gjgt and look under accuser of the bretheren like one of your visitors asked you to?

    you are under attack mam, and are really like i said and will say again, a silly woman laden with divers lust(desiring to be a teacher)

    the wrath of God abides near for you and i urge you to humble your self and repent for this post. please.

    what you are doing is not worth the punishment you will recieve, you must not understand anything the bible constantly warns about this type of activity.

    God is the one judging and separating sheep from goats right now!

    from one lady to another your hurls are so unattractive and would run any decent man shooting in the opposite direction.

    if you are married i can assure you your husband is miserable and if you are not married then this loud behavior and broom hilda, jeezabeel activity will most certainly keep you an old maid forever.

    please do what steve lumbley did and remove this stuff from you sight

    your not going to post the truth though……are you?

    Comment by lynn | April 28, 2008

  130. Lynn:

    Your comments are really Christlike aren’t they, and show what kind of spirit they are coming from exactly….

    If you disagree with me, then why don’t you just scripturally point out where and how I have erred, instead of resorting to nasty below the belt insults, threats and superstitious mindsets provoking unholy fear.

    I will not remove stuff from this site because you do not like it and feel all superstititious because I have ‘touched’ one or two of your anointed. I WILL remove anything and more than happily apologise for it and retract it, if you (or anyone else) show me scripturally or historically where I have got it wrong.

    >>my pleading with him to consider what the implication of accusing a brother might come to

    So does that mean, then, that Steve Lumbley should remove all the links to warnings written about Joseph Smith, Peter Popoff, etc or whoever too? You are using a false unscriptural theology to protect (proven) false prophets.

    The ‘accusations’ I have made towards Boldea and Duduman have been based on facts out in the public domain, and by scripture. Now if you do not want to test and weigh false prophets, discern spiritually, or listen, then on your head by it, but I will continue to speak out, thanks all the same.

    …your not going to post the truth though

    But I just have and you neither like it or recognise it.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 29, 2008

  131. Lynn,
    You personally insulted Miriam and went way out of bounds. If you are as godly as you think your teachers are whom you are protecting, I think you should apologize and show your christian maturity. Stick to scripture and maybe someone will listen.

    Comment by Mary | April 29, 2008

  132. well at least you posted this last comment of mine

    this is a spirit of warning and yes i would take the time to give you a dozen or more scriptures, but since mike made an attempt to reason with you and give you scripture you yelled and refused to even give him a chance,not a chance. He’s not my prophet

    …..and IF…. IF… you would listen one could explain things to you, like he was 12 when his (none english speaking severely abused, twice eletrocuted until blood ran out of his mouth, broken ribs and elderly wife being beaten in the next room)grandfather asked him to interpret their message.

    How well do you think you could interpret Romanian at age 12 after being exiled from Amercia to a filthy condemned apartment,all the while having no money or food.

    I don’t think you read that book I can assure you. You would have a unbiased opinion even if you didn’t agree with everything.

    Your understanding comes from a very very watered down Amercian view of Christianity and you can’t recieve God’s scripture with your natural mind. You don’t even know why the name of Yehoshuwa is IMPORTANT (instead of American name Jesus…. with pagan origin Zues)

    Most folks say Jesus but you didn’t even try to understand that there is something wrong with not growing and staying a baby.

    call them and ask personally. I guarantee someone will talk to you and if you told him that it was you calling and that you wanted to really know his story( instead of abusing the internet and withholding your true identity behind the computer)….. I know he would talk to you…. But you are simply not willing. Your spirit is not right.
    And yes my harsh words may seem ungodly but even “Jesus” spoke out against this type of activity.

    your mind is made up

    I find it impossible to give a person who has the spirit of a swine…. pearls…….. I hope that’s not you.

    you are obviously a person who has suffered very little for their faith…..it’s easy to throw words around lightly when you are raised and sheltered in the suburb or the likes. Is that you?

    if i gave you scriptures even if they were true, you are too mean spirited and blind to see anything…… blind guides lead other into a pit.

    romans 1:29 you are full of debate……i’m done now you’ll go on forever

    Comment by lynn | April 30, 2008

  133. You accuse Boldea of being selective on his postings and myself and others find that you do the same, for my fears of you and for you are confirmed, for you have been found out.

    But not only did he reveal you to me, but he has also shown it to others in these posts, as mentioned by Lynn #133. His scriptural reference of you is correct, but the whole scripture needs to be brought in so it can be looked at in it’s whole context, Romans 1:18-32.

    Romans 1:29 you are full of debate… It’s not even debate on your part, as the Holy Spirit revealed, it is hate venom as was mentioned to you.

    You are in danger of hell fire, and it’s not for coming against Duduman or Boldea, it is for coming against the Lord himself that abides in them. Matthew 5:22 “But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” You have not just done this to these men, but to most who post here who have tried to reason with you, but mostly you do so to the Word of God.

    So again I ask the same questions to you that were posted to you before, as you are scared to post them for fear of being revealed, as they are scriptually sound and were revealed by the Spirit of God. But again I remind you, that by other people’s postings you have been found out!

    good day madam or sir

    Comment by Karolyne | May 2, 2008

  134. Karolyne:

    You accuse me of this with zero evidence whatsoever. On the basis of your one comment (posted only recently not yet being live) you accuse me of not allowing everyone a fair pop – yet there is ample evidence the Boldea camp have more than had their fair chance to have their opinion expressed – however rude, however insulting, however threatening, however unscriptural.

    And now, according to the gospel according to false prophets supporters, I am in danger of hellfire for warning about false prophets and/or not posting your latest accusatory diatribe? Get real. I have no interest in dialoguing with such unsavoury characters as yourself or Lynne anyway, Karolynne, and there is no law or even moral or ethical code that says I have to post all insults or threats live onto this site anyway, however scriptural you think they are. (In fact many folk would say the opposite, to automatically delete all hate mail. In comparison, the comment I posted onto Boldea’s site was polite and sincere and scriptural and respectful and did not accuse.)

    No others have found out the same as you – they cannot have as it is untrue, although some accuse me of it when their comment does not get posted live on the site immediately (which is impossible even if I sat at my desk 24/7) – your comment, like many hundreds of others was in the moderation queue, and there have been hundreds of comments posted here in the last few days to go through as well as extremely heavy traffic on this site compared to normal. You are all to quick to judge but neither careful or discerning. Does that mean you should go to hell too for false accusations against a servant of God – by your reasoning, not mine, I may add?

    I post both opinions from both sides of the spectrum, however insulting, however unscriptural, however accusatatory. I unlike others here, are not afraid of the truth. All Lynn’s comments, for example, were posted despite their tone and despite her implications.

    I have not been ‘found out’ (rather I have been accused and slandered by you with zero evidence) – and rather you display your own prejudice, arrogance, blindedness and contempt, ‘Karolynne’.

    Boldea and Duduman are both betrayed to be false prophets by scripture – how on earth can you justify that, Karolynne, scripturally?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 2, 2008

  135. I scriptural respond back to you with the previous posting that was submitted to you before. As you wanted answers from Boldea, will you not answer my questions?

    I John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

    I John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

    Galatians 6:1-5 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another?s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself. But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another. For every man shall bear his own burden.

    Miriam, I am not a follower of Duduman, Boldea or anyone else, but I am a follower of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who does the will of the Father and asked the Father to send the Comforter. This is the same Jesus and Holy Spirit that abides within me and you can tell me no different.

    You tell everyone here to prove themselves, but you have not proven yourself here on your own blog. You are stuck in theology and the teachings of man, you have no Biblical proof for what you speak, as you only speak with head knowledge of scripture, not heart knowledge, having no discernment of the Holy Spirit. None here claim to be prophets, none claim to be above you, but we are all to be brothers in sisters in our Lord. My question is to you then, are you our sister or are you a wolf in sheeps clothing or are you a witch meant to divide the people?

    I Samuel 15:23 For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness [is as] iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from [being] king.

    Galatians 5:13-20 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. [This} I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not filfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; … idolatry (added), witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies?

    We need repentance and a clean heart, then we need to ask for the Holy Spirit as he will lead us into all truth.

    John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

    Revelation 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

    Miriam, you condemn most on your blog, calling them fools, hypocrites and rebuking them. I hear the hate venom dripping from you lips. You have lost your salt and you savour, and you have no ears to hear. You have no power over these men and women of God and you shall hurt them no more. Your words are not even fit for a dunghill the scripture says. Yes, I know, I know, I?ll hear your criticism of me and you?ll damn me to hell, but I have proven these words to your scripturally and have not taken them out of context as you accuse everyone of. As some one said before, I fear for you Miriam.

    Luke 14:34 Salt [is] good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned? It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; [but] men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    For all that have ears and will hear, let us pray for Miriam, for that of repentance to our Lord, for restoration of her soul to the body for the glory of the Father and that He may be manifested through her some day, that we may be able to call her sister. Amen

    Comment by Karolyne | April 29, 2008

    Comment by Karolyne | May 7, 2008

  136. Karolyne/Lynne:

    Like I said in the last post, I have absolutely no interest in dialoging further with you. You have more than shown your hand already (or should I say your finger?). But I will, as I always have, more than happily speak to someone who actually asks genuine questions wanting genuine answers.

    All YOU want to do is accuse me. You are not interested in my answer – whatever I say. Enough scripture has been provided, more than enough evidence to decide this matter but you have no desire for truth. See how you distort and twist scriptures (out of context) here to poke at, to criticise and to pull down. See your mocking prayers – not said out of concern at all, not even said because you mean them and are sincere (that is total hypocrisy) but rather said to dig at, destroy and pull down – yet like others you pretend to be so concerned and the voice of love and reason! That’s why I righty use the word ‘hypocrit’ of you and others like you, for that is what you are on these points.

    That does not mean I am ‘hateful’ for saying it, it makes me honest and bold of what I see – I am not an ear tickler to this end. I do not play games.

    I won’t damn you to hell for being nasty and sinning against me – I have never done that to anyone, nor could I. Rather I seek to snatch people from it, not curse ones and push others into it. It is you that has damned me to hell for speaking out about your anointed ones, remember? And other Duduman supporters have similarly cursed me. Scripturally sound for threatening with hellfire for speaking out about falseness and charlatism – wow!? Which bible is that you read?

    AND ALL THIS FOR SAYING THE GUY IS A FALSE TEACHER AND FALSE PROPHET. Wow again.

    Don’t you guys like or value the bible any more – I mean, really? That is no venomous to ask this question. But I guess like the apostle Paul, I am venomous by your definition drippping hate if I use the word ‘fool’ for someone who consistently ignores truth – for that is what they are – most foolish. I have provided scripture enough already why Duduman is wrong and am not going to endlessly repeat it for someone who has their fingers stuck in their ears and keeps ignoring it, replacing it for ‘touch not my anonted’ or similar, or just drops that and goes for accusations!

    You want to accept false prophets? that’s now your lookout. I have no time for you though.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 7, 2008

  137. Dear Lynn

    >> You don’t even know why the name of Yehoshuwa is IMPORTANT (instead of American name Jesus…with pagan origin Zues)

    In English, regardless of its origins, it is Jesus. In Hebrew it is Yahshuah. Jesus means ‘God is salvation’ in Enlgish and Yehoshuwa means ‘God is salvation’ in Hebrew. There is power in the name of Jesus and millions upon millions have been saved using His English name.

    The New Testament was written in Greek, and the name Jesus here means the same in Greek as the Hebrew name Joshua. Joshua/Yehoshuwa means literally ‘God is salvation’. So the angel’s message to Joseph was “You shall call His name ‘God is salvation,’ for He will save His people from their sins.

    English has a name for the Savior and one for the pagan god – two different names. The two are not synonymous with one another. Jesus is not Zeus, and Zeus is not Jesus. Jesus means ‘Saviour/God is salvation’, Zeus means ‘the powerful one’. Spot the glaring difference?

    First, the two names, Jesus and Zeus are spellt differently then and now.

    Secondly, the meaning of the name Jesus by Christian doctrine and definition, is the same as that of Yahshuah.

    And thirdly, the same meaning or definition is not given to the name of Zeus as to Jesus. Jesus is the Son of God. Zeus is a demonic entity.

    My name in hebrew is Devora and means ‘bee’ but in English it’s Deborah and you wont believe it but it still means ‘bee’.

    Jesus and Yahshuah are two different words in two different languages. While they are two different languages, the meaning is the same. Zeus’s meaning on the other hand is NOT the same.

    Furthermore, this notion that we must use Hebrew, especially with Biblical names is just rediculous. Was it not God Who divided the people into nations by language differences at the tower of Babel? He is the Author of the diverse languages.

    To say that only by the use of YHWH’s Hebrew Name or Jesus’ Hebrew name can men be saved, is to say that not one single man could be or has been saved since that time outside of Hebrew language.

    This notion is just rediculously stupid.

    Comment by Deborah | May 7, 2008

  138. “You are not interested in my answer” Just as you yourself have no interest in other people’s answers, let alone Boldea who did take the time to answer you as he said after you goading him. As you asked him questions and he answered, I notice that you have not answered mine, as to if you are a sister or a witch to divide the people.

    I will continue to pray for all on this site and that includes myself. May the wisdom of God come upon us all and abide with us in truth.

    I shall not bother you again,
    Karolyne

    Comment by Karolyne | May 8, 2008

  139. I want to thank you Miriam for your effort to help the body of Christ build on the Rock, the Cornerstone, and not on sand.I know it’s thankless and lots of believers will misunderstand you or your motives, but I believe Robert above, should remember that the reason the Holy Spirit was sent was to lead us into all truth, the Lord didn’t give us a “How To” book for dummies to lead us into all truth, not even the bible is to replace the Holy Spirit, because it’s the letter that kills unless the Spirit gives LIFE. We are told that “you have no need that any man should teach you because the anointing you have received of Him (Spirit of Jesus) abides in you”. And again:
    Also see 1 john 5: 5-12. I read Mike Boldea’s blog almost daily and find much teaching of good value, and I do believe that he through these teachings, seeks to have people hunger after God, and have them build a solid relationship with God. As to his dreams and visions,I defer to those more experienced – though I see the same type abounding via http://www.revlu.com, http://www.americaslastdays.com, wwww.prpheticwatchmanvine.com (the last one being Matthew Stephen who has held conferences with Mike Boldea.

    Comment by Paul Morris | May 8, 2008

  140. I think to be fair to those like Geno, Mike, et al, and to Miriam, and the Truth, we must all prayerfully discern mixture. In the OT God took pains to outline to Moses mixture that would not be permitted.I believe it was because one of the enemy’s tactics is always to mix truth with untruth in differing proportions.We as humans have a tendency to consciously or unconsciously absorb from our surrounding environments, if we are not careful to ensure we examine ourselves to see whether everything is in agreement with God’s Word, and God’s Spirit. My parents are old time Pentecostal (being both almost 80 yr old), who saw a lot during their Christian lives (and still seeing). They sat under the ministries of A.A. Allen, Oral Roberts, Jack Coe, ,Billy Graham, Kahtryn Kuhlman, and others. They said in every move of God’s Spirit the enemy would also move thus the fire of God’s Spirit would be countered by wildfire (a term they use for both carnal, fleshly, emotional,excesses, and demonic manifestations, or both together).They said that there were ministers who knew how to discern and deal with this when it happened. A big concern today, (ie Todd Bentley etc), is that there is wildfire that isn’t being discerned and dealt with that is being used to discredit and derail God’s fire.We need for more of the gift of discerning of spirits to be wielded by those with authority to come against the fleshly and the demonic to root it out and be rid of any barriers to the move of God’s Spirit in refining fire.

    Comment by Paul Morris | May 8, 2008

  141. IF WE DO INDEED LIVE AS SPIRIT FILLED SPOKEN IN 1JOHN2:27 THEN WHEN WE READ ANY ONES WORDS TO AGREE OR DISAGREE BUT HANG OURSELVES ON THE ANNOINTING WE HAVE RECEIVED, THEN WE CAN SAY ” GODS WILL BE DONE FOR WE KNOW HE WILL JUDGE ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO HIS RIGHEOUSNESS AND NOT OURS:
    I RECALL IN THE WORD OF GOD : PROPHECIES MAY FAIL ALONG WITH A LIST OF OTHER THINGS! WHY? BECAUSE WE DO NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND AT THIS TIME BUT WHAT IS IT THAT SHALL NOT FAIL? WHEN WE SEE HIM FACE TO FACE!
    BY THE WAY , DOES ANYONE REMEMBER WHAT THE SIGN OF THESE THINGS WOULD BE WHEN THEY SHOULD ALL COME TO PASS? I REMEMBER DUDUMAN SAID ” WHEN THAT WOMAN BECOMES THE PRESIDENT!” WHO KNEW

    Comment by DEBORA GIULIANO | May 13, 2008

  142. It is hard for me to tell the difference between false and true prophecy. But I have found a few commonalities in the false ones. Here’s my two cents, or maybe one cent, I dunno.

    1) The person having the visions is special, specially chosen, etc. They feel elect somehow, this feeling comes through in the way they write about the experience. They want to communicate with others who are also elect. If you don’t agree, you’re not elect.

    2) There is a big focus on scary things/death/hell. Things like “stench of the dead” “demons from hell.” It’s gratuitous. There’s no message of hope or redemption.

    3) The dreams feature an easy familiarity with Jesus. He comes to play football, whatever. It’s all good. But in the Bible when people saw Jesus in vision they fell down like dead people and needed help to recover. They weren’t frolicking with him in a grassy meadow.

    4) They have an important message, but it isn’t the MOST important message. It distracts and makes people obsessed.

    When the disciples asked Jesus what was going to happen at the end of the age, he gave a really succinct summation of many bad things. Then he lifted their eyes up, figuratively, described his coming and told them to be ready for him. Now that’s the most important thing. Eternity with the KING! Keep your eyes on the prize not the sad, bad things.

    Comment by Karina | May 20, 2008

  143. Well, I came full circle here. I went looking for Michael Boldea, because on another blog here he was tied to Matthew Stephens who I have been asking questions about. As I was looking your site came up as to stating Duduman and Boldea are false. I did have my doubts also. I had read Duduman a few years ago and had doubts then. Seems Matthew Stephens is echoing them. I know the Lord’s judgement is coming. I know Jesus is coming. (A teaching and truth that has fallen by the wayside because of the dominion thing.) Anyway I believe the questions I had have been some what answered. I look for Jesus to come. Even so come quickly Lord Jesus. Until then I will occupy until that day. Good stuff Karina. Thanks.

    Comment by jennifer | June 4, 2008

  144. http://www.scribd.com/doc/3280940/TODD-BENTLEY-CURSED-PROPHECY-OF-DOOM-AT-LAKELAND-FLA

    He’s a Morman and has joined a group of “Prophets of Doom”
    (The following e mail from an unknown Matthew Stephen friend is exactly as I received with exception that I underscored “I am Pastor Matthew Stephen, a friend of Bob Jones). “Pastor” Stephens went to the Lakeland Florida Ignite Church with the intention of unleashing “God’s judgments on the Outpouring Lakeland Revival and to pronounce death upon Todd Bentley and all the pastors the leaders and pastors worldwide! Although Stephens perceives himself as an Old Testament style prophet who sees an angry God Who is unmercifully ready to destroy America and everyone both the unrighteous and righteous alike.
    Incredibly, he showed up to the Lakeland Church and deceitfully finagled a spot on the platform by claiming an association with the Kansas City Prophets and a personal prophetic relationship with Bob Jones who is Todd Bentley’s mentor. So, he came the in power of the name of Bob Jones that enabled him a forum to do his wicked deeds of cursing the church, Todd Bentley and all pastors, the State of Florida and America. It’s enough to make one shake in your shoes when he takes his ever intimidating staff in hand, thundering his hollow words of his demonic destructive dreams and visions.
    See curse above

    Comment by pat holliday | June 9, 2008

  145. You are saying Matthew Stephen is a mormon Pat?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | June 9, 2008

  146. Miriam
    I will not get into a protracted battle over the legitimacy of Mike Boldea with you. I am not an expert in prophetic ministry or interpretation so I would have no leg to stand on, to discuss your issues with him, with you. I will say that I read most of his teaching stuff at his blog and can really find no skewed mindset there. Read this post from recent times Miriam, and tell us what’s “off” about it please.
    http://mikeboldea.blogspot.com/2008/06/way-into-kingdom.html

    Comment by Paul | July 7, 2008

  147. Well, anyone thinking Mike Boldea and Matthew Stephen are of one accord needs to get the most recent news: There is a long explanation at http://www.unleavenedbreadministries.org

    I have personally witnessed an odd, lustful spirit working in Matthew Stephen.

    However, I still fully believe that Boldea and Duduman are servants of God.

    Miriam, again: Please continue your excellent ministry, but please change your posture on Duduman & Boldea.

    My own mother finally accepted Christ after watching Duduman speak. Consider the fruit!

    Comment by Robert | July 29, 2008

  148. In his book, “Through the Fire Without Burning”, Dumitru Duduman claimed to have been torchered for his work as an underground missionary. I was informed this was not true and Christian book seller refused to continue selling his book. Was there also a scandel regarding his children using ministry contribution for their personal use such as building homes for themselves?

    Comment by annette | August 10, 2008

  149. I was informed by a christian bookseller that a background check was done on Dumitru Duduman and no facts could be found on his claim of being torchered because of his work as an underground missionary. He was arrested and let go-no torcher. Upon learning this, Bookseller refused to sell Dudman’s book and told me Duduman was a fraud In addition, there was a serious problem with his children regarding contributions to their ministry. I also doubt very much Duduman ever met Richard Wurmbrand, a true man of God, as he claimed in his book. Duduman said he had a meeting with Richard Wurmbrand in his home in California, but Richard Wurmbrand lived in OK. not CA.

    Comment by annette | August 10, 2008

  150. Annette, you may check with Voice of the Martyrs and they will confirm the meeting of Richard Wurmbrand and Dumitru Duduman.

    Comment by Sitting in the Background | August 10, 2008

  151. I corresponded with VOM years ago and confirmed the relationship between Richard Wurmbrand and Dumitru Duduman. Which publisher did you contact? Was it the real estate agent from Florida? Give us some documentation; names, dates, companies, contacts, etc. so we can confirm your findings.

    Comment by Jeff | August 12, 2008

  152. I am kinda shocked at the effort to flag these two as a false prophet considering the hour in which we are in. I know that we must test the spirits, but its almost as though you had something against them both as though you had to prove them false. Nevertheless i remember when the Lord revealed to me the judgements i had asked HIM to lead me into all truth. Both brother Michael and Dumitru confirmed much of what the Lord showed me was coming upon America. Nevertheless i honour the Lord and will trust in no man but in HIM alone, and follow HIS Spirit that will lead me into all truth. Im not saying that you are wrong (even though i do feel you due to the fact that the Lord has showed me them to confirm what HE is showing to me) but if you can truly say that you are filled with the HOLY SPIRIT and you tested what they received with the HOLY SPIRIT’s guidance praying that God will alow now carnality in you discernment, lol just bascially asking the LORD GOD, if they are from Him. If i find someone doesnt sit right with the Truth then i ask God and He shows me if they are of Him or not. lol no offence but the Holy Spirit was promised for a reason..
    LJ,P
    In Christ

    Comment by James | August 20, 2008

  153. >>its almost as though you had something against them both as though you had to prove them false

    Not at all. I much rather they were genuine. I get no brownie points for speaking out because they are so well thought of by many.

    But they have spoken falsely and spread forth bad doctrine and heresy supporting it as “prophecy”. Some of their prophecies have historically failed and there is evidence of contradictions that do not add up to real encounters with God or his angels. What does that make them?

    You talk about discernment, but what about the word of God? The Spirit of God promised for a reason wrote that same word that you ignore at your peril. It does not matter what you ‘feel’ if it does not align with the word of God or history.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 20, 2008

  154. By the way, should you make NO effort at all about heresy and false prophets?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 20, 2008

  155. Just a single “prophecy” is ALL that is needed to PROVE that Dumitru is a false prophet, just one…
    ————————————————————
    “America the Falling Star”
    http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_16.php

    DDV – “He said, “The star represents America. The reason the tips are crooked, is because America has fallen away from the Truth, and the Way of God. The eight horses, and the men in the chariot, represent eight kings that will rise up against America and will overcome her.” Then the dream ended.”
    ————————————————————
    Eight kings????

    Its 10 horns, not eight kings.

    Revelation 17:16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.

    He took away AND added to the book of Revelation. You want to add or take away from the book of Revelation and…. well I’ll let The Word of God speak for itself….

    Revelation 22:18,19 18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
    ————————————————————
    And just one more is all that is needed to PROVE grandson Michael has joined the ranks of grandpa as a false prophet. Only difference is, Michael MAY be able to repent and avoid having his name taken out of the Book of Life.
    ————————————————————
    “The Dream”
    http://www.handofhelp.com/vision_56.php

    MBV – “As soon as the doors were fully open, I saw an angel that looked very much like the one standing beside me, except without the armor, leading a white horse by its reins. The horse was large and muscular, but he followed the angel obediently, with its head bent low. The angel’s countenance was somber as he led the horse away, and for some reason this registered with great clarity.

    I looked up to the messenger whose hand I was still holding, but he merely nodded toward the white building and the open doors, and said, ‘witness.’

    Another angel soon appeared in the doorway, holding the reins of a red horse, following after the first. I began to realize what I was seeing, and in silence watched as two more angels appeared, each holding the reins of a horse, one black, one of no discernable color, just pale. All four angels were dressed alike, and had the same somber, sorrowful countenance.

    I stood and watched as all four horses were led out of my sight, and finally when they had disappeared from view, the messenger turned to me and said: ‘Go an tell what you have seen. The riders prepare, the horses are ready, and soon they will descend, soon they will be loosed.”
    ————————————————————
    Great clarity? The only thing that is greatly clear is that Michael thinks we need to know more than the Apostle John was given to share with Gods people.

    There are false prophets out there that THINK they know what the seven thunders spoken of in Revelation 10 are. Of course you have to buy their material to find out. I don’t think I’ll be wasting my money…….

    Once again, we see here that Michael took away AND added to the book of Revelation. Revelation 6 to be exact. And once again, we see from The Word of God, there are temporal and ETERNAL consequences for doing so…

    Revelation 22:18,19 18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    Comment by James | August 21, 2008

  156. And BTW, I’m not the blind sheep James from post 153.

    James from post 153, you need to stop trying to scare people out of testing things by The Word of God.

    Things are to be tested by The Word of God, not by what you THINK The Holy Spirit has shown you. I know what the scriptures say. All the answers are in there and they cannot be broken.

    Paul wasn’t afraid of this….as he had NOTHING to hide.

    Acts 17:11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

    You search the scriptures DAILY to see if what people are saying is true, NOT get a supposed word, vision, prophecy or dream…

    Unless you want to be deceived that is…

    Comment by James | August 21, 2008

  157. And one last thing.

    1 Corinthians 4:6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.

    not to think beyond what is written……

    That means if you THINK you heard or were shown something by God and it contradicts His Word, it wasn’t from God.

    Comment by James | August 21, 2008

  158. Correction of post #156:

    “We see here that Michael added to the book of Revelation. Revelation 6 to be exact. And once again, we see from The Word of God, there are severe consequences for doing so…”

    He didn’t take away from Revelation 6, he added to it.

    I sincerely hope he repents while there is time.

    Comment by James | August 21, 2008

  159. Correction of post #156

    “Once again, we see here that Michael added to the book of Revelation. Revelation 6 to be exact. And once again, we see from The Word of God, there severe consequences for doing so…”

    Michael also runs a 501c3 state approved organization, thereby rendering to Caesar the things that are God’s for a tax break. Jesus told His disciples to pay taxes to Caesar. Is Michael better than them?

    And let us not be deceived into thinking that feeding children and widows will buy Michael a place in the kingdom of God.

    Ephesians 2:8,9 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

    Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?’

    Surely it is a wonderful work to feed children and widows, but to promote and defend his grandfathers clearly false prophesies and to false prophesy himself while doing so, is being a worker of iniquity.

    Comment by James | August 21, 2008

  160. Forgive me for my last post lol it was late at night, way past my bed time and i simply just wanted to scramble some sort of defense together for Brother Michael.
    I was not trying to scare anyone out of testing the spirits since we are commanded to do so, with the Sword of the Spirit. Please i reasure you when i have been shown something by the Lord God i do not just go ahead and beleive withought receiving confirmation from the Bible testing to see if it lines up with scripture. But i do this under the direction of the Lord praying that He lead me into all truth. I know the Lord has shown me what Michael has received from Him, to confirm things He has shown me i.e. “The Dream”.
    Im not really interested in getting into a battle over the validity of Michael Boldea because i know your mind is made up. Lol i dont think i’d win in any debate, only a year and a half old in the faith i dont have as much biblical knowledge as you, but i thank God for the Holy Spirit, who leads me to understanding of His word as i read each day, the Good Shephered whom i trust to keep me from the wolves.
    I will simply pray for us all that we lean on and follow the Lord our God not bickering about who is true and who is false unless God has led us to expose a wolf in our midst. If God told you they are false, showed you the scriptures to proove it and led you to post this article then so be it. Please pray for me brother James and Sister Mririam,

    May the Lord bless you and cause His face to shine upon you always.

    Love in Christ
    James

    Comment by James | August 21, 2008

  161. The Lord also bless you and cause His face to shine upon you always!

    Comment by James | August 22, 2008

  162. Your attack on Duduman and and his grandson remind me of a gentleman we had in our Bible Study that was determined to rid the world of all pastors and teachers “he thought” were wrong. He not only created alot of trouble but ended up disgacing himself and his family. You may not agree with Duduman and his grandson but the Lord has given similar visions to a number of others who don’t even know who he is. I believe the Lord is attempting to warn us of the things to come. We can ridicule, bury our heads in the sand, or become aware that something terrible is coming here and soon. Heads up, we are in for difficult times and if you want to go after a false teaching try the Pre-Trib Rature theory that has the church unprepared for what Jesus warned us about in Matthew 24.

    Comment by Sandi | August 23, 2008

  163. My “attack” is exposing false prophets for what they are, false.

    I sincerely do hope that Michael repents of adding to the book of Revelation.

    No doubt that terrible things are coming to this wicked nation that has corrupted the entire world with the filthiness of its fornication but I don’t need Dumitru or Michael to tell me as its in The Word of God.

    For example:

    Isaiah 13, 14, 18, 21 and 47
    Jeremiah 50 and 51
    Ezekiel 38 and 39
    Daniel 7:4
    Obadiah
    Habakkuk 1 and 2
    Zephaniah 2
    Zechariah 5
    Revelation 17, 18 and 19

    And one other thing is in The Word of God:

    Proverbs 30:6 Do not add to His words, Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

    The Word of God rebukes Michael for adding to it, are you going to go after The Word of God and say its judgmental?

    Paul named names:

    2 Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him according to his works.

    John named names:

    3 John 1:9 I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to have the preeminence among them, does not receive us.

    If you are afraid to defend The Word of God because you fear man, you need to repent.

    Comment by James | August 24, 2008

  164. Hey I just read Russian are setting up weapon for Cuba and Venezuala. So I think Dudumon prophecy is happening right before our eyes.Check out this AP report link http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iHvE2zvwkZUbF3qqvLMu7g5-H2XQD93BLGM80

    Comment by booklet | September 22, 2008

  165. You’ve made points why you don’t trust Duduman’s prophecies, this response is not arguing for or against Duduman.

    When you read about the signs of the end times in the Books of Revelation, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Daniel and John it lists many descriptions of the “new” Babylon or “mystery” Babylon. Many generations who have witnessed horrible things have thought that possibly they were in the end times.

    They were obviously wrong because some important events had not happened, the restoration of Israel and the restoration of the Hebrew language. Now that this has happened and we witness the famines, earthquakes, rumors of war, wars and all the other signs God told us to look for, what should we believe?

    We certainly need to see the third temple rebuilt in Jerusalem which is quite possible in the near future (and you’re aware of if you follow politics and Middle East news). But what of the timing of the destruction of Babylon? It’s not clear whether this event is before or after the construction of the third temple.

    If we are in fact nearing the times discussed in Revelation (which aren’t really “end times” because Jesus comes in his glory to rule for another 1000 years) then you must ask: Who fits the description of Mystery Babylon?

    Unless you are in complete denial the only answer is the United States of America. Unfortunately most Christians are in a state of complete denial. So Duduman may not be a prophet, or he may be a prophet, but we know he nailed it right when he named the United States of America as Mystery Babylon.

    Comment by DS | November 11, 2008

  166. Dear Miriam,
    concerning your statement
    It was only sometime last year that Michael stated in one of his times of pray for America to repent that he heard the Lord tell him; “No more warnings’

    Thanks for pointing out another false prophecy – how unscriptural is that statement?

    I have to object. Why do you view that as unscriptural? The bible states that we should seek the Lord while he may be found. In his dealings with Israel in the OT there came a time when the Lord was done with them
    Jeremiah 15:1 KJG Jeremiah 15:1 ¶ Then said the LORD unto me, Though Moses and Samuel stood before me, yet my mind could not be toward this people: cast them out of my sight, and let them go forth.
    You refer to a couple of verses in revelation where the people still did not repent. IMHO the calamities and vials of wrath will not be meant to lead anyone to repentance. The time will be over by then and it is just for the sake of records that the evil state of the remaining people is reported that will prevent them from repenting.
    I see Duduman’s comment on 9/11 in that way that this was the last warning for the USA as a nation to repent and turn from their evil ways but now there is only mercy left for individuals.

    Comment by GetYourOwnDeliverance | November 13, 2008

  167. “I’ve got an interesting question here:

    How can Duduman be a prophet when JESUS CHRIST WAS THE LAST PROPHET?? In Islam, Mohammed is called the Last Prophet (mimicking Jesus Christ), go figure”

    I have an interesting answer, go read Joel 2:28 KJV

    And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

    I believe it says your sons and daughter SHALL PROPHESY.
    GO FIGURE!

    Comment by david1057 | November 14, 2008

  168. Could anyone point me to the scripture which supposedly says that Jesus Christ would be the last prophet?
    There was a prophet in Paul’s days with the name Agabus and he is mentioned in Acts.
    I know that they say of Muhammad that he is “the seal of the prophets”, probably meaning the last one.

    Comment by GetYourOwnDeliverance | November 15, 2008

  169. i found this article to be more of a theological debate against Dunitri than actual facts about him being a false prophet. No offense, but i have to dismiss this blog to be overly subjective, hence not adequate in informing about Dumitri Duduman.

    Comment by evan | December 18, 2008

  170. I agree with you Evan. I have seen his prophecies in my own dreams. They will come to pass.

    It would be wise to pull/delete this thread as Jesus is coming soon and we will be held accountable for our actions. One’s time would be better spent on one’s knees.

    Comment by Sharon | January 12, 2009

  171. I am concerned when any so-called prophet is put beyond question, I think even Paul would welcome it if it was from an honest heart. I thank God that He has put ALL my sin under the blood of Christ and my acceptance before God is based only on Jesus. I want to live for God with all my heart but the truth is that I often fall short and find His grace always there… always enough “Praise God!”. The truth is we serve a living, risen, Saviour and all who put their hope in him will not be disapointed. And the only God sanctioned authority for us is HIS WORD! If your feeling or spirit is in contradiction to HIS WORD, then your feeling or spirit is WRONG! Quit looking to men, but rather look to Christ the author and finisher of our faith.

    Comment by barry | January 15, 2009

  172. I’m amazed at all the fuss this article of yours has generated. I stumbled across it and liked the fact that you always bring them back to the Bible. You know if you read the Bible, you’ll find some very interesting stuff, like “America will burn” – along with about 80% of the rest of the world. When the book of revelations gets to the fifth and sixth vial of God’s judgement, I wonder how many people will actually survive the appearance of Christ. If you read it in the spirit of what the writers were conveying, you’ll begin to see that most of these catastrophes are man initiated and the days are shortened so that we don’t annihilate everyone. The main reason why the bible doesn’t give us specific dates is that there is still a great deal of work to do and we must work right up until the end. This work is to preach the gospel and do our best to live exemplary lives so that we become effective witnesses to God’s saving grace through our Lord Jesus Christ. If we spend all of our time chasing end time prophesies and looking for specific dates we will slacken off the work that God has for us and will begin to live for the “End of days” siren so that we can down our tools and go home. To think that people are prepared to validate their “dreams and visions” above the word of God.

    Comment by Simon | January 16, 2009

  173. I have read many of Mike’s teachings, and agree with the blogger above, that his PRIMARY message is holiness, purity, repentance, and his secondary focus is attending to the poor, the widows, the orphans, the hungry, and needy as Jesus instructed us to. He also has spent many hours on his knees grieving and praying for the state of the church, and the lives of those in it. It’s interesting that he’s not the only one who felt the impending judgment of God was forthcoming (tho’ he may not have known or know WHEN), as well as God being merciful as you say Miriam, and wanting time for repentance for humankind, so that perchance they would not perish, has delayed and staeyd His hand, but I believe that now, has begun to lift that Hand of His, so that events are moving toward judgment (which will start at the house of God)

    Comment by paul | February 2, 2009

  174. You need major help and will pay you will reap it. Wake up! Obama is the antichrist and there is ample truth and proof. Jesus is comonig very soon. Come out of the church system of man!

    Comment by Diane | February 10, 2009

  175. Well done. This blogger. Testing the spirit is a biblical command, and two different test results are listed in the comments made by people to the blog post. This blogger has a “hearing ear”, the others most certainly do not. As I tested the spirit of Dumitru, and this blogger’s comment, the Holy Spirit bore witness with my spirit that this blogger is accurate because he has a hearing ear.

    The rest of you need to repent. There are familiar spirits lying to you. Listen carefully:

    1. The Holy Spirit cannot lie, and leads us into all TRUTH.
    Dumitru counterfeit spirit, a deceptive familiar spirit, told him things that did not come to pass according to the time frame given by the “angels”. It is therefore a lie, when this occurs, for He, the Holy Ghost came to guide us into to all truth, not into a lie or series of lies.

    2. Under the Better Covenant, the Holy Spirit guides us into ALL TRUTH, and not a single lie or falsehood. The prophecies failed. Though under grace , one is not stoned due to false prophecies, a new testament prophet has as high of a standard in prophecy or revelation, and it must come to past. If not, the a demon has taken over.

    3. Paul stated “If a prophet speaks let the others judge”. This was the missing ingredient, I have seen the tapes. Leaving this scriptural principle,”let the others judge” in any given meeting, results in one failing to “be a doer of the word, and thus a forgetful hearer, thus deceiving himself”. Dumitru entered into a spirit of deception for failing to be a doer of the word. to have his prophecies tested.

    Paul cast a spirit of divination out of a damsel, though there were facts spoken through her by the evil spirit.

    Comment by John Tucci | February 17, 2009

  176. I have now further tested the spirits of many who have posted in defense of dumitru here. The Anointing inside of me, Who is TRUTH, witnesses the following:

    The old man, a stronghold in them, does not allow them to be “doers of the word” and test the spirit by the inner witness and the logos/written word. In their earthly and devilish wisdom, they argue based on carnal feelings, and not plain to see biblical facts.

    Please repent for your heretical behaviour, based on arguing with your ex boyfriend or girlfriend, the same type of God forsaken controlling tendencies, that used to get your way in the world and with your ex, seducers and seductresses. Get out of Babylon the Whore.

    The bible speaks about avoiding unreasonable people. It is UNREASONABLE to debate this blogger’s scriptural foundation and the wisdom that he receives from his “hearing ear”. YOU
    cannot resist the spirit and wisdom by which he speaks, not truthfully resist him.

    GET OUT OF BABYLON or you may partake of her judgments soon. This prior sentence is to be heeded above Dumitru’s false prophecies. DO NOT BICKER WITH ME EITHER. STOP FORSAKING THE LOGOS AND THE INNER KNOWING.

    Comment by John Tucci | February 17, 2009

  177. Over a period of two days I have read this entire blog and appreciated the fact that Miriam has love for the integrity of God’s Word.I believe that prophesy, especially public prophesy that states “Thus saith The Lord” should be held up to the light of God’s eternal word.I have SILENTLY dis-agreed with many of today’s so called Prophets due to the fact that so many fellow believers will vigorously defend them even though there is no scriptural basis for doing so and then view with disdain any who do not agree with them. I have been convicted! We must choose our words carefully and consider what we speak at all times. I am stunned by some of the attacks on her in this blog for critizing visions and asking for scriptural support for them. It’s scary actually, considering that Jesus spoke The Word of God when critizing the scribes and Pharisees.God himself tells us not to go beyond the word. If any part of prophesy goes beyond the word, then it is not to be believed. I believe Michael is sincere in his faith and convictions however; as spokespersons for God we cannot afford to be passive about what we speak in His Name. I am not going to agree or dis-agree with Michaels visions or those of his grandfather. I will stay my opinion until such time as The Lord gives me truth and enlightenment in this regard but I will say that many of the comments on this blog is certainly not a reflection fo the true spirit of Christianity. ( I am referring to the threats, the loaded langauage ect.) against Miriam. As has been brought out in some of these blogs, not everyone who calls themselves Christian is a genuine follower of Christ nor a lover of God’s word.In what name or spirit does one speak when they say someone is going to go to hell? Does not scripture tell us that Jesus Christ is our only judge? In my opinion, there are some apologies and repenting sorely needed on the part of) some for their comments and statements to Miriam.By the way, why the focus on America? I believe God’s judgement has begun on ALL NATIONS so that those who are yet to come to Christ will repent of their sinful ways and be saved.Babylon in scripture reprents the empire of false religion. Does that not concern us considering that America claims to be predominantly Christian?? Today’s Babylon, geograpically is IRAN. ( At least so far as my source is correct)One last thing-Diane, who told you that Obama is the Anti-Christ? Is he one of many or is he THE ONE? I don’t like what he stands for and I can’t believe that so many who call themselves Christian, voted for him and reacted very negatively in response to any critisizm of him but calling him the Anti-Christ? Perhaps having the spirit of Anti-Christ? Those seem like awful strong words to me.

    Comment by GAIL D. | February 23, 2009

  178. I read his prophecies after reading your arguments against him. Unfortunately the majority of your complaints lack rational thought and/or have taken the Bible out of context.
    You may also want to learn how to spell certain basic words like “different”.

    As I read between the lines, you are most likely an American who is denial that America is Mystery Babylon. Unfortunately for the United States if we are in the prophetic end times and believe the prophecy about the generation that witnesses the rebirth of Israel, then Mystery Babylon must be the United States of America.

    Comment by Dave | March 17, 2009

  179. Well, I wanted to put my “two cents” in as it where and chime in on this blog concerning Mike Boldea Jr. and Dimitru Duduman. I have been a subscriber to the Hand of Help newsletter since late 1999 and have been following them off and on since then. My wife and I moved from Washington State to join with HOH in June of 2006 and contribute our talents and resources especially since my wife is from Moldova. Unfortunately, things did not work out as we had planned and we broke fellowship with HOH and Christian Life Fellowship (the church affiliated with HOH) partially due to what I will be sharing here. We still live in the Milwaukee, Wisconsin area (Oak Creek).
    Firstly, I would like to state that I stand behind Duduman and his prophecies and until the preponderance of evidence proves to me that he was truly a liar and deceiver I will continue to do so. To date I do not feel that the preponderance of evidence proves that he is a false prophet, but if that changes in the future I will change my opinion of him. That being said, I have some severe problems with Mike Boldea Jr. Beyond simply doing internet research, I have actually talked with some past members of HOH and Christian Life Fellowship (the church in Watertown, WI affiliated with HOH), have listened to many of his internet interviews, and closely studied his so called “prophecies” and have found significant problems.

    Here is the some of the evidence I have so far. More evidence will be posted in subsequent posts in the near future addressing other problems.
    Mike Boldea Jr. including some other members of his family and members of HOH where named twice as defendants in lawsuits accusing them of financial mismanagement of donor contributions. This information is very hard to come by and you will not see a trace of it anywhere unless you have been following them for years and carefully doing your homework. It is going to be revealed here though, and in other posts I will be making elsewhere. I will also provide the case numbers and the locations of the court filings so anyone who has an interest in confirming what I have to say can see it for themselves.

    The first case was filed in Wood County Texas court by a man named T.D. Saul and his wife Susan Saul in the spring of 1999; case number 99-288. Mr. Saul was acting as Chairman of the Board of HOH at the time and he accused Mike Boldea Jr. and Virginia Boldea et al of financial “improprieties” and had traveled to Romania to do an investigation. The Boldea’s in turn, as quoted from the court documents, had “serious concerns about how the finances of the corporation are being handled by the Saul’s”. Each side accused the other and each side defended themselves with the final outcome being settled out of court. The Saul’s resigned from the board of HOH as well as numerous others resigning around the same time.
    The second case was filed by the next Chairman of HOH Cecil Pagel in January of 2002 in United States District Court, Northern District of Texas; case number 3-02cv0148-p. In 2002, I had received a four page white paper with photos of various homes and properties Cecil claimed where owned by Virginia Boldea and other members of her family that where, according to him, “hidden from the board of directors”. It also described Cecil’s activities working with HOH as president of their management company, and his struggles to bring “stability to the organization”. Virginia then wrote a short article in the April/May/June 2002 newsletter denying any ownership of the properties Cecil photographed. In the court documents, Cecil accused Mike Boldea Jr. ,Virginia Boldea, Gene and Anne Schmidt, along with some other members of the Boldea family and others within HOH, of financial misappropriation of HOH donor money among other things. They in turn accused him of financial misappropriation as well as numerous other things. The case settled out of court with HOH retaining control of the orphanage in Botosani, Romania and Cecil Pagel being given control of an orphanage facility in Brosteni, Romania previously held by HOH.
    The outcomes of each court case where clearly not victories or total losses for either side and seemed to represent ties or stalemates at best. Again, these public court documents can be reviewed and you can make your own decisions, but the question must be asked as to why would two individuals and two separate boards take such risks, go to such expense, and make such accusations and then resign if everything they presented and claimed where total fabrications? It just does not make sense.

    I may post both public court records which will be accessible at another site as well as Cecil’s white paper for research and review purposes.

    Following Christ Only,
    Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

    Greg Wetterauer

    Comment by Greg Wetterauer | March 31, 2009

  180. Oh boy. Well, that is a couple of hours I will never get back. I just wanted to thank you for your breakdown and insite on Duduman. I had never heard of him, and stumbled upon one of his dreams, which he says was not a dream, he was awake. And it struck a chord with me, it just didnt sit well. I didn’t know why exactly, but after reading your blog I think I know now. More accurately, after reading his “minions” responses…see, you are taking someone who claims to be a prophet, not a Christian, or an insurance salesman, but a prophet, something that BEGS for disection and inspection, and doing just that, disecting and inspecting. Anyone who claims to be a prophet is to tested with scripture and prayer. That is our duty as Christ’s followers. We are dealing with the king of lies. Now you are attacked and ridiculed because of doing what Christ asks of us? That, to me, smacks of defensiveness and fear. This guy and his grand kid claim to be given information from God. Well, anyone with more than a couple of brain cells is going to want verification. If you blindly believe anything someone says then you are a fool. You are being decieved. If you attack someone that decries or debunks what you believe you must back it up. You, Miriam, do that with scripture. Hard to argue that. These fools do it with emotions, dreams, and just plain bad math. Oh, well he is humble so he is right??? C’mon. My husband read something to me, and I dreamed the same thing, so it must be right? Gimme a break. So then, I watched a scarey movie the other night. Then I had a dream that zombies were gonna get me, but I jumped into a banana and got away. Well, it’s nice to know that I have my emergency escape banana to whisk me away from the coming zombie outbreak. People, if you have ears to hear or eyes to see, then please, for your own souls sake, do your homework. Read your bible, ask God for guidance, LISTEN, and question anything that contrasts the scripture. Don’t rely on your dreams, or your cat’s dreams, or the coast to coast radio program. Rely on Jesus. HIS prophets have NEVER been wrong, no not once. If you claim to be a prophet and are wrong, even once, then you are a liar or you are getting your info from the wrong news source. It doesn’t necessarily make you a bad person, it just makes you WRONG.

    Comment by Rob | April 8, 2009

  181. From Boldea’s web site:

    A Great Earthquake coming
    February 3, 2006

    Dear Brethren

    Isaiah 24: 19-20, “The earth is violently broken, the earth is split open, the earth is shaken exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall totter like a hut; Its transgression shall be heavy upon it, and it will fall, and not rise again.”

    While I was in Romania, one night after my devotions I went to bed, exhausted and in need of much sleep having ridden in a truck all day delivering food to families. It had been a hard day, and we had to push the truck out of snow banks and ditches more than once. My body ached, and all I really wanted was to get some good rest.

    As I fell into a deep sleep I had a dream. I dreamt I was in a hotel room, asleep, when the bed began to shake violently. I knew what was happening right away. Having lived in California in the 1980’s I was keenly aware of what an earthquake felt like. Suddenly I was no longer in bed, but high above San Francisco bay, looking down on the golden gate bridge. As I watched it, it began to shudder, break apart, and fall into the waters below. I continued to watch the devastation, seeing buildings collapse, and masses of people trying to find shelter. Then a voice spoke out of the heavens, a voice I had never heard before, a voice of great authority. “I will shake this land from its foundations, such as the eyes of this generation has not seen. The world will stand in awe, and tremble in fear, as even the very geography of this nation will be transformed. My wrath is ready to be poured out, for sin has overrun My temple.”

    In my dream I began to weep, not due to the devastation I was seeing, but due to the great power of the voice I was hearing. I woke up trembling, unable to breathe, and tired as I was I could not go to sleep again.

    Shortly before sunrise, my phone began to ring, and when I answered it, it was my brother Daniel. “Are you awake?” he asked, “Yes”, I answered.

    “I had a dream last night,” he continued, “it was a terrible dream. I dreamt of a big earthquake coming to America.”

    When I told him I’d had the same dream, he was silent for some time then said, “I’m coming over so we could pray.”

    He had just arrived at my apartment, when my phone rang again. It was a brother from 200 kilometers away, who is prophetically gifted, and has spoken many words over me that have come to pass.

    “Is this Mike?” when I answered in the affirmative, he said, “I had a dream last night, and I felt I needed to call and tell you about it. I dreamt of a terrible earthquake in your country, I saw a big bridge that just collapsed I saw destruction as I have never seen before. Does this mean anything to you?”

    It took me some time to find something to say. I was speechless, and could find no words. On the same night, three different people had the same dream, with the same vivid details. Knowing that the brother had a prayer group that met nightly, I asked him to remember America in their prayers whenever they prayed, and he said he would. Before he hung up he said, “Mike I’ve had many dreams in my life, the Lord willed it so, but none has scared me as the dream I had last night. Only God can protect someone through something like that, there is no other hope but to run to Him.”

    No matter what may come upon this land, we know that God abides with His faithful, keeping them, guiding them, and protecting them. Events will begin to unfold upon this earth, that will make even the mightiest of men tremble in fear, but knowing that we have a shelter from the storm, a sovereign God who watches over us, fearlessly we press on faithful in all that He asks of us.

    Psalm 91:7-11, “A thousand may fall at your side, and ten thousand at your right hand; But it shall not come near you. Only with your eyes shall you look, and see the reward of the wicked. Because you have made the Lord, who is my refuge, even the Most High, your habitation, no evil shall befall you, nor shall any plague come near your dwelling; For He shall give His angels charge over you, to keep you in all your ways.”

    With love in Christ,

    Michael Boldea Jr.

    Yeah, no San Fran earthquake…3 years and counting…

    Comment by Rob | April 8, 2009

  182. Yeah, no San Fran earthquake…3 years and counting…

    To be fair though, unless Michael mentioned a specific date we cannot hold this against him as some things God says/warns take time to happen.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 8, 2009

  183. One more, this time from our buddy Geno.

    The Finger

    Vision given to Michael Boldea.

    I must relate to all who read our web-site the Revelations from the Holy Spirit as they were given to our ministry prior to 9-11 and last fall. About a year before 911 Michael Boldea and I were driving to the airport in Seattle Washington. Michael was driving and I was sleeping. It was about 3:30 in the morning. I know that I heard the car almost go off the highway and as I woke up Michael was alarmed and he looked very disturbed. I asked him if anything was wrong and he said “I will tell you later.” The next day I again asked Michael what happened as he was driving and he said “I had a very powerful vision.” “In the vision I saw a map of America and a finger approached the map and dug itself into the map up to the knuckle of the hand.” “A voice started speaking…” I will allow a great event over this nation to try and wake her up.” Michael asked why, and the voice said “because of this!” and Michael was taken to the inside of a large Church and he was in the foyer area of the church as they were having service. He heard alot of snoring coming from inside the church and it was so loud he could hear it in the foyer. The voice spoke again, “beacause many of my people are still asleep.” “Many refuse to wake up, and this is why I will allow this trial to come over America.” The vision disappeared and Michael said it was all like watching a movie. It was not long after this that 9-11 occured.

    Bro Geno.

    ——————————————————————————–

    The Fist

    Prophecy given to Michael in Romania.

    I picked Michael up to start our fall 2002 tour from O’hare airport. I wanted to know if the Holy Spirit had said anything about America while Michael was in Romania. It was clear God had and Michael related to me about the vision with the finger in it and asked if I recalled that. I said I did and Michael said the Holy Spirit is warning that if America does not repent it will not be a finger that represents God’s warning or judgement it will be a fist. This means the protection of God will draw back and America will have a cataclysmic event take place greater then 9-11. We pray this does not occur but God has seen what is clear to many of us that His warning on 9-11 was only heeded by a small number of people and apostacy, indifference, sexual sin, divorce, removing references to God from court houses, schools, and even an attempt to take “under God” from the pledge all mean one thing. America is stubborn and proud and has not repented.

    Bro Geno

    Wow, well when you say things like “about a year before 9/11″ and “not long after that 9/11 occured”, I get a bit confused. No exact date, but a year is not really “not long after”. Also, why didnt Boldea post this instead of bro geno? That like the whale telling the story of Jonah, innit? Also, why, bro geon, would you want to know if God had spoken to this esteemed prophet in Romania? Doesnt he get cnn, err, rather, divine prophecy in the US?

    Comment by Rob | April 8, 2009

  184. Yeah, I hear ya, on the date setting. It just reeks of donation seeking. Lets see, an earthquake in California? Yeah that NEVER happens. For the record, I am not holding anything against these people. I dont hate them. I fear for them, and I get feelings of Jonestown from them. Dont drink the prophetic cool aid.

    Comment by Rob | April 8, 2009

  185. Is there any record of the finger vision posted or said before 911 occured?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 8, 2009

  186. “Dont drink the prophetic cool aid.”

    yes, and beware of the ides of March !

    after reading the babylonian Internet that talks about “prophecy” for the last 5 years, I have never seen anything that came to pass, it all seems to be nothing but private dreams and opinions. And it does not matter where people see themselves, on the receiving side or the “discerning” side. Both are under the exact same influence and need to repent from the daily deception they engage themselves in. Maybe you know how the dialectic works inside deception? Satan has both sides covered. Some obvious deceptions are created for easy detection, so you have an easy occupation for your mind, that loves to mind these cases with a religious intensity and keeps you away from what you actually should be doing (if you are a child of God) that is minding the things of God.

    now back to the Daily Hollywood Informer. May I note that I get a bit bored with the usual cast of niche characters of Todd, Rick and Chuck. How about extending that niche with the other related one that has less creepy visuals, more believable scripts, professional production and real stories like the sister industry of Brad, Jennifer and Angelina Jolie?

    Comment by BabylonOnBothSides | April 9, 2009

  187. I’m referring to the previous blogger’s comments in regards to Michael Boldea’s vision at 3.30am while he was driving his car from the airport. That sounds like quite a lengthy vision to have in a car while you are driving. I usually have visions in bed at that hour, called dreams; are you sure he wasn’t having a micro sleep?

    Comment by Simon | April 10, 2009

  188. To whomever writes endtimespropheticwords

    I totally agree with your scriptual assessment of these two false prophets. You have more than made your case so I would tell you to close the “comments” and leave those who want to ignore the truth to continue in their error. This back and forth is going nowhere and only serves to cause strife. You certainly have better things to do than refute those that do not want to hear truth. Leave them in God’s hands and move forward. Thank you for exposeing this lie.If you would like to reply you have my Email address.

    Comment by Jim | April 18, 2009

  189. “This back and forth is going nowhere and only serves to cause strife.”

    PHIL 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.

    If we accept Jim’s words then apostle Paul caused strife by repeating the same things over and over again!

    It’s always safe to warn about false prophets and their false prophecies!

    Comment by Barry | April 18, 2009

  190. Jim
    it’s not a question of who is more right in this regard. even books like revelation and daniel or ezekiel have visions and dreams that no specific date or year were given. I believe that God works in mysterious ways, and btw, I haven’t drank any kool aid, prophetic or otherwise. I have no problem with those who are like Bereans, either. I will say that having read many of Mike’s teachings and sermons, I find at his blog, he’s always been scriptural and has a heart for both the lost, the needy, etc, and the church. He and others have laboured for nearly 30 yr in the extremely poverty stricken country of Romania, running orphanages, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the forgotten, bringing comfort and cheer, as well as life and hope, to many who would not have otherwise been ministered to due to the greedy mindset of the West, and their preoccupation with their own wealth getting etc. He certainly is not “in it to get rich” and I would imagine that the level of need they are trying to ease in Romania takes lots of money. So, maybe you or I don’t understand or agree with all his “visions”, but that doesn’t mean he’s out to lunch spiritually himself, or has his mind set on building a NAR type empire, or a Benny Hinn like ministry that would give him a more opulent life style. He lives a very fiscally restrained life, endures more financial shortfall of his own in order to aid those less fortunate, than probably any of us do, and pours himself out in love, to minister & aid in areas where certainly none of us are doing so. I would really hesitate, unlike a lot of others, in throwing stones about his character, and motivations, etc, when I know myself I haven’t endured deprivation or lack to the degree he has.

    Comment by paul | April 18, 2009

  191. I am amazed at all of the chatter.. But equally amazed at the lack of scripture to back up all such talks.. for we should all know that 2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: We are continually told it says in the Bible.. with no references.. Is not that the same as ones prophetic word.. with no back up. 1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. I would have to say from much of what I have read.. Not many of you would I trust.. Including the blogger.. I am trying the spirits.. and saying JESUS I know and Paul I know but who are you???

    Comment by Eliazbeth | May 31, 2009


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