Todd Bentley prophesying and doing some bad cold reading
I came across a video clip of Todd Bentley some months ago, and was going to include a link to it in a much longer article about Todd Bentley. Unfortunately, I have lacked the time to write this proposed article up properly since, so in the meantime, until I can writer a longer article on Todd Bentley and his beliefs and his ministry and his prophecies, I will release this part, which says a lot about this man and his ministry in just a few minutes worth of video clip.
As background information, Todd Bentley is relatively new on the Christian scene and he’s young (much younger than he looks in the video), and seems to be flavour of the month in certain quarters. He is linked to Patricia King of Extreme Prophetic (who I understand helped bring him on in ministry), and so he is joined at the hip with aberrent Kansas City prophet Bob Jones, who Patricia King is influenced and mentored by. Todd Bentley is very Latter Rain influenced (Latter Rain is a heresy) and Bentley now even claims to have William Branham’s ministry angels helping him. (These angels seem to get about and often seem to be in two places at once, if we are to believe all the ministers who have encounters with Branham’s angels – an alleged encounter being a badge of honour to wear in the current movement, which opens a few doors into churches and gets a few more bottoms on pews.)
There are much longer videos on the web of this man, which I wish I knew how to cut (if anyone knows how…) so you can see the pertinent segments I wish to point to without having to sit through half an hour or more of bad teaching first. I’ve seen him on several occasions speaking tongues publicly – no interpretation of course, like most pentecostals. It is very odd hearing his type of tongue, even for someone like me, used to pentecostalism, charismaticalism and its excesses, and having heard what some of the counterfeit sounds like. It is clearly demonic in his case – go listen to it and you’ll see EXACTLY what I mean. Even on this few minutes worth of clip, there are some odd sounds coming from him while ‘ministering’ – ‘boom bah!’ etc.
Anyway, the reason why I want to highlight the clip in this article, is not because of false tongues, but because the first three minutes of this clip are classic ‘how not to prophesy’. Watch the first three minutes as that’s the section that I want to talk on. Todd Bentley is supposed to be ‘prophesying’ here. Many in the New Apostolic scene call him a ‘prophet’. But what he is actually doing is the worst ‘cold reading’ and fumbling around and backtracking I’ve ever seen. If he were a secular stage psychic he’d had been booed off stage and rightly so, as he is not slick in what he is doing. But as he is in the church, and many Christians are naive and trusting and will not discern and will accept almost anything (apart from criticism of their anointed ones), people will take it from him, and believe him to be anointed because they fall down backwards when he touches them. Even when he directly asks questions of his ministerees, he still manages to get it badly wrong! Look how much he fumbles around with the first lady for example, desperately searching for clues and going by what she gives him – you just know he would have changed his ‘prophecy’ to suit whatever she told him. It is some prophecy and some prophet! To do this lacks integrity, and of course betrays him as a false prophet – for I tell you the truth, if he had knowledge of the true gift he would not dare to do this! After lots of prophetic misses, on several different people, he seems to give up prophesying for a while and instead either asks people directly what’s wrong with them and then quickly ’slays them in the spirit’, or the people fall over themselves helping him out, by telling him what’s wrong.
The clips is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPdS77Z3MBY
Cold reading, by the way, is what fake psychics do – they go off the clues you give them – by your body language, facial expression, by what you say to them. (In the following section you can replace the word ’psychic’ with ‘Christian minister’ or ‘prophet’ or ‘apostle’ to see what I am saying in this case and how it applies to the modern day church). They then speak in broad and vague catch all terms that can be taken and interpreted in multiple ways. (A Christian cold reader can be even vaguer and make the false prophecy dependent on faith so the Christian blames himself when it does not come to pass.) Often when someone goes for a psychic reading, they do almost all the talking, the psychic just agrees with them, smiles, says a few things that can be taken to mean many things, and the person goes away thinking the psychic knew everything – they forget what they told the psychic first. If the psychic is clever and subtle, this can look very effective and the person will swear they did not tell the psychic anything first – as this is what they will truly remember of the incident. The mind filters out the rest - it’s human psychology. In a Christian setting, the one being ministered to is often so caught up in worship or spiritual rapture, or their own internal world or dialogue with God, or desparation, or striving, or in tongues or manifesting or whatever, that they are even more susceptible and even less likely to notice, let alone remember, what really went on during ‘ministry’. One wonders how these ladies in the clip later relayed the incident on this Todd Bentley clip. I bet it will not be ‘Todd had lots of misses and then said this… (the bit they remember)’. They will filter out the misses and fumbling and just remember the good, or what they wanted to hear, or what they thought he said – not what it actually said. The mind is a funny and selective thing. (I’ve had the same thing after a sermon where almost all the congregation will insist their pastor did not really say what he clearly did.)
I’ve known incidents of spiritualist mediums doing what seems to be an amazing reading about a woman’s dead fiance, giving really clear specific details about how he died, his looks, his foibles, his name etc….. it all seemed very impressive – except that this same medium had ’read’ this same woman about six months or so before, and was told all about him then. But the woman being read accepted it second time around as an amazing demonstration of the supernatural!
Spiritualist churches are often relatively small, where after a while almost everyone knows who the regulars are desparately trying to contact, and the same sad events happen week after week with usually fumbled cold (or warm) readings – ‘he’s sending you a rose, love, … love and light’ - with pieces of suitably banal information coming out over the weeks - so all the ‘church’ leader needs to do is prep a visiting speaker in beforehand with some of the regulars’ details and you then have a seemingly amazing demonstration and ‘proof of the spirit world’ by the visiting speaker. This could work just as well in a Christian setting as well, adding in some hallelujahs, worship music, and slaying in the spirit for even more of a ‘powerful’ demonstration of what is actually charlatanism. (Note I am not saying all spiritists or ministers do this, there are some who do not think themselves charlatans and genuinely have occultic encounters, but there are more quacks than occultists on the psychic/medium route, and it’s funny how most of the mediums have to sound camp too, with the same silly stage voice and mannerisms (when actually they are butch off stage. They’re more like Butlins entertainers than occultists – think Derek Acorah with the blonde highlights but a bit more camp.)
I think it was the medium Sylvia Browne who disgracefully used the bereaved, by researching the newspapers for tragedies in a town she was about to visit, contacting a grieving mother beforehand offering to help her contact her daughter, meeting up with her and getting all sorts of specific information, and then asking the Mum to sit in a certain spot in the audience on the night with a bright red dress on, so she could spot her if she got a message from the departed one. On the night, on cue, Sylvia did get a message for the woman in the red dress (making out they had never met and this was all coming to her directly in spirit), and then proceeded to tell her all the Mum had told her a couple of days before about her daughter- nothing more. The mum was disgusted. She saw through it – other grieving parents are unfortunately so desperate they would not see through this, or they would choose not to see through this. Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies. It comforts me. And the rest of the audience, not party to this ploy, thought Sylivia was amazing for knowing all this and their faith in the psychic increased! They were taken as mugs.
Television or stage psychics also have producers and researchers to help them who ask detailed questions before the show is aired. It’s only a matter of trust on the part of the public that this information is not passed onto the psychic by the researcher. Doris Stokes, the world-famous medium, was well known for either planting stooges in her audience, or researching up some of her audience beforehand. Peter Popoff, tv evangelist and charlatan extraordinaire, was caught out by sceptic James Randi, with a hidden ear-piece feeding him audience information that he pretended was prophetic words of knowledge given him direct from the Holy Spirit. Have you ever seen the ‘prayer requests’ you write and fill in at huge pentecostal healing rallies, that you add into the bucket with your financial offering (inferring the more money you give to THEM, the more likely you will be healed or the more likely God will hear your prayer – all major credit cards accepted) containing your specific and often detailed information? This is passed around before the actual ministry starts, often several times. Sometimes, when you have to register for charismatic/pentecostal/prophetic conferences, similarly specific information is asked, often weeks or months in advance that people long have forgotten about writing by the time the conference starts. Can you see how this information could be used to be read back in ministry time to you as a pretend word of knowledge/prophecy? If you don’t believe me, do what James Randi did and fill in some far fetched bogus information on one of these slips and see if it comes back to you as a word of knowledge by your revered minister! (‘But the minister had no way of knowing that’! Really?!)
In a smaller setting, as mentioned, visiting ministers can be prepped by talkative pastors or church gossips. And there are very big name evangelists (not just Peter Popoff) who have been shown to use stooges – that is plants in the audience – who pretend to be healed or respond to an amazingly accurate pretend word of knowledge. But most Christians would never ever even suspect such a thing (I did not) – as they are so naive, sweet and trusting – that is gullible – (I was) – thinking everyone in Christiandom plays fair, and everyone who is spirit-filled loves and honours God as much as they do. Many are so desperate to believe and be healed or get a word or whatever, they will overlook the obvious - but there are so-called ’Christian’ ministers who do do it deliberately and systematically! They lie, cheat, and don’t play fair. The church is easy game. Whose fault is it? Well theirs, and the church’s, if they continue to tolerate them! Peter Popoff was caught out in the act, but many more have not been caught – yet – or if they have, no one really cares, look how many still support Popoff!
Other examples of cold reading include people like medium John Edwards, saying to a large audience very all encompassing things, and general names and initials, and going with the flow, changing the reading as it goes along depending on the audience cues. if you have a large enough audience, any information you make up, even seemingly specific and detailed, is bound to have a hit, so if your information misses with the person you are reading, it will fit someone else who claims the reading. The same can be said for words of knowledge, walk around any crowd, whether they be at a ball game, a burger restaurant or a church conference, with a medical dictionary of common medical complaints, read them out at random, and you’ll get the same percentage of hits. More on cold reading is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading and here http://skepdic.com/coldread.html
Example of a cold reading where the psychic can’t be wrong:
Psychic asks: Did she like dogs…
Answer: yes she loved them – this is a HIT
Response, affirming statement - yes I see lots of dogs around her in spirit, she is with some dogs in spirit
Or
Answer: no she hated them, was scared of them
Quick Response/backtrack – yes, you’re right she hated them, telling me how much (laughs), but you know she says she’s ok with them now…. – this miss becomes a HIT and a confirming/comforting statement
Example 2;-
‘I’m getting a name….a M initial….’
(almost everyone knows someone with an M initial dead or alive, but if they don’t, then ‘look for someone coming with a M initial who will be very important to you in your life…’) Again its either a HIT or a psychic prophetic statement that has a good chance of coming to pass as it is so broad.
An example of a broad catch all statement:
Psychic: I see marriage around you….
Answer: I am married. – HIT Psychic responds to how the response is made, happy or sad facial expression, to say something suitably banal about marriage
Answer: I’m not married. – Miss becomes a HIT, Psychic responds to how the response is made, giggly happy, bitter, or sad ,to say something like ‘you will be’, or ‘your past hurts weighing you down and your divorce is keeping you back…’ or ‘you will minister to the married’ or whatever.
This is exactly what Todd Bentley was doing when he was talking about children with the first lady. He’ll make a way for it to fit somehow. Who cares if what he prophesies is actually true or not?
All Todd Bentley and Lakeland articles here
ya better watch what you say about the man of GOD!!!!!
All your opinions are worthless when people have documented proof of healings. Regardless of how you perceive Todd Bentley… The power of God is working through him.. and people are being healed. Praise God!
Aaron – but if your ‘man of God’ errs, than I am doing him and his adoring fans one huge favour by speaking out, am I not, so they can have a chance to get back onto the right road of truth? And if he doesn’t repent, and they don’t, I still have a biblical duty to warn about ‘men of God’ spreading false teaching, or other errant behaviour. No ‘man’ or ‘woman’ of God is above being corrected. Or would you rather be blissfully ignorant and decieved by decieving spirits – and have your fun while manifesting? Well, you have been warned now, so cannot say you were not warned.
And Carmagail – so what if people are healed, if they are, if they are led to false conversions and spiritual death by false teaching and seductive spirits.
Oh, and by your comments about the ‘man of God’, Aaron. does that mean you think Todd Bentley is on a higer level than us mere mortals (that is above correction, above criticism, above error…) – so you, we, anybody else other than ministers on the platform are not ‘men of God’ like him, we are just ‘mere Christians’ and can be corrected, but people like him cannot as they are not subject to the same plumbline as normal people. If so, you are an utter fool. People like him have a greater plumbline, not a lesser one, with higher standards to live up to, and there is even more reason for public rebuke and correction when they err than for the normal ‘man on the street’.
ps Carmagail – how do you know it is the POWER OF GOD working through Todd Bentley?
Some spiritualists heal too, and none in the church would claim they use the power of God – they would say, rather, it is demonic. I don’t care how much you think Todd is the bee’s knees but please listen to his tongues and tell me that is NOT demonic.
Anyway, if a man comes along performing signs and wonders but preaching an errant gospel, who is aligned with false prophets associated with antichrist doctrine (manifest sons of God/Latter Rain), who is not averse to using fakery and/or charlatanism, what does that make him?
Also Carmagail, whatever you think about the healings, the video clip was about bad cold reading, and Todd Bentley does bad cold reading badly. If you still claim he is a prophet then really, you’ll accept anything as godly, and more fool you for it, it is not an attribute to your credit. The Bible calls such people fools. Will you repent of this foolish behaviour, be wise and actually discern, test and weigh?
Does that mean the Bible is worthless too, for it is the Bible I base my opinions on and quote and follow to this end?
Does that also mean you will ignore everything, however Biblical, that speaks against Todd and his ilk, and go be an anointing junkie… effectively damning the consequences? After all, if it feels good, it can’t be bad …. or can it?
There is a banner running along the bottom of the screen of the currently running Todd Bentley Florida Fire Revival Meeting on God TV. It runs through the remainder of week of 4/21. If you recieve GTV, go check it out. A testimony from a “Richard” claims to have been healed of scars from a hysterectamy and deep cuts recieved from a sheet metal accident. Since when do males have hysterectamies?
My wife and I get a kick out of the “drunks” flying about and dropping to the floor kicking and squeeling. It;s very comical but sad at the same time.
I just happened to come across your blog, and wonder what you are doing to save the lost, heal the sick, cast out devils, etc.
In other words, are you doing anything other than operating as a critic of public ministries who must submit to the pastors and elders of the churches where they minister?
I was born in a Latter Rain church, Bethesda Missionary Temple in Detroit Michigan in 1950. I have heard about lots of supposed excess of pentacostal churches like ours, but never experienced it, in spite of attacks from extremists such as you seem to be. I have also attended and been greatly blessed by ministries of Kim Clement, Rodney Howard Browne, John Arnot at Toronto Vineyard Church to name a few that I suspect you would also paint with the brush of “false prophet” or “heretic”. Jesus himself was proclaimed a false prophet by his religious critics, none of whom could raise the dead, heal the sick, or cast out devils. If you have proof of such manifestations of the Holy Spirit in your ministry, then you might be qualified to criticize others who have such proof, in the spirit of edification, exhortation and comfort. Otherwise, you are just one more self proclaimed ignorant critic who stands on the sidelines throwing stones at those who are bold enough to proclaim the acceptable year of Lord, bringing sight to the blind, and deliverance to the oppressed. I feel sorry for you.
Barnabus – you are closed minded. If you had read any of the rest of this blog you would have known the answer to all the questions you ask, which are not really questions, they are you trying to practise one-upmanship to keep me quiet. Just because someone speaks up about a pentecostal ministry, does NOT mean they deny the genuine power of God or do not experience it in their life. I hate the genuine, but love the true. Now, let’s move onto the subject of discernment shall we – that is discerning between the true and false?
ps How do you have PROOF it is the HOLY SPIRIT, or the manifestation of the Spirit – by what criteria do you judge a work to be from God?
What I really find troubling are all the people who
run to florida because their ears itch because they believe the move of God is happing without them. It appears to me that the blind are just being lead by the blind. Who cares about what is claimed to be happening
No one can raise the spiritual dead except God who draws him near. If you truly have a relationship with the son stop watching God tv stopping running to these events and become committed to your church get underleadership the man of god someone is willing to correct you if needed and not afraid your fellings will be hurt then go out and witness. the problem with most of you are you believe more of what this so called man of God says and you cant compare it with your bible because you dont know what it says.
The Bible tells us we can test the Spirits. Todd Bentley is using Jesus Christ. So, according to the Word of God, he is not being used by a demon. You have a form of Godliness, but deny the power there of. I am a missionary in the Philippines and God is using me to wake up dead denominations to His power. You need to wake up, because you are fighting against God. How do you know Jesus, when you don’t seem to know the Holy Spirit? Kinda like the Pharisees claimed to know the Father, but did not recognize the Son. I am praying for you, that you would not be guilty of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. You know not what you do.
Patrick, you completely miss not just my points, but also the Bible’s points about spiritual discernment, testing those who come in the name of Jesus as well as the obvious false prophets – those whose come in the name of other gods. The most dangerous ones are the ones who are nearer to the real thing – just like counterfeit notes.
this guy (bentley) claims ”look what i did”, ”did you just see me” etc…he gives no glory to Christ who would be the only one responsible for healings. even Christs diciples could not heal everyone (matt ch 17) AND THEY WALKED WITH CHRIST!! if you babble about enough afflictions, you will find someone with something…he said something about a rash on someones hands, i have eczema…guess what, i still do. the only thing we xtians should do is point people to salvation in Christ, any healings should also be attributed to Him (Jesus) as far as knowing what people have what disease, they showed how that works in fletch lives
See also
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/a-false-healing-revival-todd-bentley-and-lakeland-ignited-events/
I won’t attack you for your article, because even though I am a New Winer, I am a bit reserved, and believe that we are COMMANDED to test all spirits. I also believe that if the Bible states that in the end times even the “elect” will be deceived, and if Jesus Himself states, “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” then I have no problem testing all the spirits, including those with devil casting, healing, raising from the dead prophetic ministries. Obviously, someone is going to have a prophetic ministry with signs and wonders and be workers of iniquity.
The trouble is when ALL PROPHETS, ALL MIRACLE WORKING MINISTRIES, and ALL REVIVALS end up being labeled as false on blogs like these.
What criteria do you use to determine that a move of God is false, because I know one thing, when I “test” a move of God, I am very hesitant to state that it is in fact false.
Who in their right mind would want to be guilty of blaspheming the Holy Spirit that way?
Honestly, I have found that it is extremely difficult to label one ministry or another as false- basically because I’ve found that God is in the business of grace, mercy, and forgiveness. I would never say that because people were shaking, speaking in tongues, or being slain in the spirit that I have all the criteria needed to judge a move as “false.” Also, I believe that ministers may make mistakes along the way, but that doesn’t mean it is false, and if God restores, educates, and trains them up- who am I to cast off their ministry?
Now, about Andrew Strom’s word, I would like to see some verification regarding the teaching on “guided visualization” to enter the third heaven (as stated that Todd Bentley and Patricia King teach. I have never heard this teaching, but honestly, I don’t like the sound of that. Any information on those teachings would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Charisse
They aren’t, if you read this blog through you will see I believe in the true. However there is a lot of speaking up about the false as the false is far more common in today’s church than the true.
Nobody, that’s why you test and weigh using the scriptural model and use the gifts of spiritual discernment and wisdom. You should not be afraid to test a teaching or a minister in case you blaspheme the Spirit – that is a fear that keeps many Christians in bondage and deception – if you test wisely and well then you honour God – you rather grieve the Holy Spirit when you do NOT test. Also nobody here is saying that because someone shakes then it has to be false for that reason alone.
Why have catchers in back of you if the lord is going to heal and protect you. Also, you lose all muscle power when you pass out/lose conscience so how can you close your eyes and brace for a fall and gently fall into the arms of the catcher. I bet 100% of these people wouldn’t fall under the power if the catcher wasn’t in contact with their body.
How well does this mere mortal, creature of fallen flesh and dust as the rest of the world is, judge Todd Bentley as though they are the FINAL word on what is or is not of the Father! It is an honor to read something posted by someone who obviously lives in the throne room of God and knows everything that is or is not of God!! To forget that all men are Gods beloved children, and that to slander, gossip, judge, etc. Gods children breaks the Fathers heart. To see such self-righteous implication of perfection as an all-knowing, all-discerning, all-perceiving person is sickening and shameful. Please tell us, oh reader of the Heart and Mind of the King of the Universes, who else is false and untrue? Surely you know, as you would never condemn the work of Christ unless you knew exactly what God is doing? And it is amazing to read the writing of one who is obviously more discerning than any of the 10’s of thousands of people who have been exposed to Todd Bentley’s teaching! Hark! For here is one who has been enlightened and is ultimate in discernment!! What a genius, who can explain for us exactly what is permissable to be from God and that which is not! Oh that I could obtain such an all-encompassing level of discernment such as this! To be so high and lofty in the courts of the Lord that I could declare publicly that someone being used mightily by Jesus is a false prophet! To be so sure of myself, so haughty and sure! What are the intentions of your heart, oh weigher of spirits? Within discernment lies reservation based on contemplation of the Spirit. To claim that what Todd Bentley is doing is false, is to claim that the thousands of fellow Christians that attend his meetings are not filled with the Holy Spirit, for the Spirit cannot bear witness with one on a matter yet not bear witness with another on the same matter. That would be equal to the Holy Spirit lying, which is now blasphemey of the work of the Spirit of the Living God!!!! Now you have begun through your proclamations of heresy, to say that those that agree with Bentley’s teaching are not filled with the Holy Spirit because you are and He is telling you that this move is heresy!! So then, you are the only one filled with the Spirit because surely myriads of people that also claim to be Spirit filled are liars if their spirit bears witness to that which is false! God NEVER contradicts Himself!! He would never allow His Spirit to bear witness with one on a subject and with another say that the subject is false!! Oh blind one doing such wonderous works for the Father! Lol, rather than declaring the Spirit of my Father a LIAR, put that same effort and time into seeking the Father’s heart for this time! Stop wasting time speaking ill of God’s children and go into the highways and byways and compel the lost to come in! That is what you should be doing, oh mighty judge of the Spirit!!!
A.J.
9The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. [2 thes 2:9-12]
24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. [Matthew 24:24]
15″Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ [Matthew 7:15-23]
We are also told to test the spirits by the plumbline of the Word.
I hope this answers your questions/concerns.
Lol. It doesn’t because I never had questions and my only concern is for those that feel they are the authority on what the Holy Spirit will or will not do…and the use of Mathew 7:21-23 is interesting as that then eludes to the fact that someone is judging the depth and validity of Todd’s relationship with Jesus Christ, something NOONE has the right to do, except the Father Himself. Do you then attempt to usurp this right from God and exalt yourself as one that knows the intimacy between God and His child? Hope not!
Also, were is the bad fruit? Stadiums filled with the lost, realizing the awesome power of God and giving their lives to Him? All while some sit and muse as to whether anothers relationship with God is valid as the lost ones around them die in squalor because of jealousy and pride that is sickening and dividing the precious Body of Christ. God-Boxers beware….He can NEVER be put in a box!!! Especially not one created by an impure, imperfect human mind clouded by a stuffy judgemental spirit! So like the Scribes, Pharisees, and Sadducees they are!! Are any of us deserving of the saving grace of Christ? NO! Yet somehow it is conveyed through the pompous writings of some that they are the elect and have full and complete understanding of an Unfathomable God as though an authoratative oracle of the Most Holy One! It is so sad, so shallow, and so shameful. If my Spirit bears witness to what God is doing THROUGH Todd Bentley, does that then make me a heretic?? Does that mean I don’ have the real Holy Spirit and you do? Please tell me, as I’m sure yet another fully correct judgement of spirituality and relationship and charachter will be posted here!
Stadiums filled with the lost? More like full of the church, and these are not stadiums, they are churche sanctuaries, and the gospel certainly ain’t being preached either.
No it makes you decieved or not a very good listener or discerner though between flesh and spirit.
Not necessarily, it just means you are not discerning by scripture or by the Holy Spirit in this instance. It does not mean you do not have a relationship with God and love Him very much and mean well…
The bad fruit by the way includes the fruit of FALSE TEACHING and counterfeit prophecy, and also ‘another Jesus’ spirits being accepted in place of the Spirit of truth. There is a lot of other bad fruit that will not manifest right away. This happened at both Brownsville and Toronto too…..and the fallout is still being felt years later.
AJ
So it is ’shallow and shameful’ to boldly proclaim the word of God is it? Especially when the word of God one proclaims is not just evident from personal revelation, divine insight and spiritual discerment and godly wisdom, as given by God as a spiritual gift to a frail human being, but from tried and tested scripture fronm the REAL APOSTLES like John and Paul?
And if you think this way about me -
then why follow Bentley and his kind, who are not only obviously far more prideful but much more elitist and set themselves up as superior and above rebuke or correction (when I do not), by delaring their OWN revelations which cannot be critiqued, which are not only untrue but scripturally errant by miles? You are being rather hypocritical, and using dual plumblines here! For if you judge me by this measure, then you surely judge Todd one hundred times or more over.
I think it is rather you do not like my conclusions than the fact I speak out. Well that is another matter entirely. Stop being a hypocrit AJ and using dual plumblines. Get back to the word of God and fous your eyes on God rather than men,
And btw, who here ‘judged’ Todd Bentley’s relationship with Jesus Christ? I did not. I spoke against some of his behaviour and his teaching and his prophecy and ministry but that is another thing entirely. For if someone ministers assisted by demons, and the anointing they pass on is counterfeit, wouldn’t you want to know this? I guess not, huh? As your spirit ‘witnesses to it’. Well what about the BIBLE, does that witness to it? Or do you care?
A.J.,
God put himself in a box — it’s the Holy Scriptures.
16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. [2 timothy 3:16-17]
Yes, God will ultimately judge everyone and the unsaved will not make into the kingdom. In looking at the Matthew 7-21-23 text, some who may well think they will make it to the kingdom will not judging by the context.
And, what about the scriptures warning of false prophets and testing everything? Do you just blindly accept everything because you feel as though it’s right? Do you discern truth from falsehood; and, if so, by what standard?
We DO have the right and obligation to discern truth from falsehood. Anyone who aligns oneself with a known false prophet (Bob Jones) must be looked upon as a false prophet.
LOL! All that is being said by this host is that they are the ONLY one discerning properly!! Yes, stadiums around the world FILLED with the lost! Do research, lol. Who are you to say who is deceived and who isn’t? Explain that? You must be the only one that interprets the Bible EXACTLY correct based upon uneducated transliteration! Quite a talent I must say! It is shameful to proclaim the Word of God out of a jealous, pompous, self-righteous heart!! And WHO are you to call me a hypocrite having never met me???? That is so weak and limpwristed and exactly the point!! You so sadly misunderstand the Bible, pointing fingers and declaring this one false and that one. It is you that are FALSE. You twist Scripture to lash out in despicable jealousy and judgment! People being delivered, healed, saved, and set on fire for Jesus…hmm.., yes, the BIBLE does bear witness to that!!! lol. The Holy Spirit will never contradict that which is in the Bible, therefore the Holy Spirit will not bear witness with that which is false. You in context consider anyone that agrees with Bentley to not be filled with the Holy Spirit then. It all comes back around, and ya just can’t beat it! LOL. I have never claimed to “follow” Bentley. I follow Jesus. That’s right, Jesus, the One that TRULEY knows a man’s heart. You don’t! And again, don’t call me a hypocrite because that is also you again judging my heart and walk without ever knowing me! lol. Here’s a shovel, start diggin’!!!
AJ
No, I did not say that, and specifically did not say that. I said they were not weighing up or discerning on these points. It is very easy for a true believer, filled with the real Holy Spirit, to be decieved if they do not test and weigh and keep close to God and scripture.
And you know I did not say that either. Many others think what I say, and say this too. I am not the only one, but even if I was, it does not make what I say untrue. I have another witnesses thank God – Holy scripture and the Holy Spirit.
What you need to do, AJ is stop a minute, pause and reflect on what I am actaully saying, rather than what you in your distates twist me to say, and then go back to the Bible and read about testing the spirits etc and see if I and Lee and others actually have a point.
And for the record, you are a hypocrit as you have dual standards, as you have already betrayed by your words – and yes I do know your heart on this point….even if you had not already made it clear on your post. If you stopped for a minute to properly think and reflect, and/or investigated what Bentley and other prophets linked to him really believe and practice, you’d see the double standard too. Also other aspects of your heart are betrayed on your posts – which are far from pleasant or spiritual – and it is time you got real instead of super spiritual or hyperspiritual.
Now on this particular posting, I wrote about Todd Bentley’s type of prophecy. Do you think that what took place here on this video is true prophecy? Do you think a true prophet fumbles and cold reads and backtracks like this? Some prophecy! Some prophet! Some discernment by you if your spirit witnesses to it!
You must be the only one that interprets the Bible EXACTLY correct based upon uneducated transliteration!… … You so sadly misunderstand the Bible, pointing fingers and declaring this one false and that one. It is you that are FALSE. You twist Scripture to lash out in despicable jealousy and judgment!
I challenge you to show by using scripture just where you think this blog is incorrect and twisting scripture.
Here’s a scripture for you:
12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 1 Cor 5:12
Yes, we are to judge those ‘inside the church.’ And, you stand as judge here while telling us not to judge. Isn’t that a tad hypocritical?
DO NOT call me a hypocrite. I do not have dual standards, and you know nothing about me, and you do not understand my heart, what I’m thinking, where I’m coming from. NOTHING! All this blog is, is a list of people you criticize and judge! Plain and simple. You didn’t get what you thought you deserved when you went to a Fresh Fire event. It is obvious by your articles that you enter these interactions with a critical, unopen spirit. I only base this on what is written as I do not know you. I’m sure you are a great person, but why so bitter? BTW, Lee or whoever you are, i wasn’t telling ‘us’ not to judge because i was never talking to you. You are quite the saunch defender of your friend, which is commendable. But I still am not in conversation with you. Thank you though!
It’s been fun kids, and I’m sure we’ll debate another time. OH, wait, I do have something to tell you LEE, James 4:11-12, Romans 14:1-13 
God Bless!!!!!
>>>I do not have dual standards
You do not see it, but I and Lee have already demonstrated how this is so.
And it is sarcastic and hypocritical to write things like ‘God Bless!!!!!’ to Lee, when you and I both know you do not mean it.
A.J.,
This is an open forum and anyone can choose (or choose not) to answer any post or comment. It’s all out here in the public domain.
Au contraire — you were talking to me. I responded first to your comment and then you responded to my response to you. So, yes you did choose to converse with me. You could have chosen to ignore me and I could have done the same. We didn’t.
The Romans text you refer to above is speaking about not becoming a stumbling block to a weak Christian. Do you think Todd Bentley is a weak Christian?
The James scripture speaks of:
1) not slandering (telling falsehoods)
2) the ‘law’ referred to here is the royal law – to ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’ Is it not loving to show others false prophets and ’snatch others from the fire and save them’ (Jude 23)?
3) (not) judging in a non-loving manner (royal law). However, we are to test the spirits and rebuke others. We are told in Matthew 7 to not judge hypocritically or self-righteously. If I tell you not to smoke, for example; and, I’m standing here smoking a cigarette, then that is obviously wrong.
3)
What an interesting exchange between you guys!.
I am just about to leave my church over this type of thing going on. The Word of God not preached….so-called signs, miracles and wonders not held up to the light of scripture; the proclamation that the fullness of God’s kingdom is here now because heaven is invading earth through events like the Todd Bentley deal in Florida.
Where I’ve been the end-times we’re living is being glossed over, with comments being made that if you believe the doctrine of the rapture and the soon return of Jesus (which causes me to feel an urgency about souls being soundly saved) you are just wanting to escape this world.
Any questioning of ‘how do we KNOW that gold dust, feeling a wind blow by us, or the sudden appearance of gemstones are of the true God’ is met with defensiveness. It’s truly refereshing to see you guys lay out the scriptures about testing things and stand up to this accusing mentality that if you check out the supernatural manifestations of anyone with the Word of the Living God, you are somehow touching God’s anointed.
Thank you. What I’ve read this afternoon encourages me greatly. I love my pastor and believe he is truly desiring to see something happen in this earth other than dry, dead religion, but his desire to see Jesus ‘move’ without keeping the congregation focused on the Wordof God, I believe, is opening the door for some big time deception.
One of our members has gone to Florida to Todd Bentley’s meetings and when he returns, our pastor wants there to be an impartation of that ‘anointing’ on us! This is why I’ve leaving. I love these people, but I just can’t stay in a place where the Word of God is being twisted or ignored.
Anthony:
before you go please warn everyone you can specifically what is wrong as many people have no idea it is wrong and will just go with the flow. People are rarely taught discernment, once you sow the seed and say test and weigh all things some will hear you and heed the warning – more will not, but at least some will hear.
Hey Brother praise God your article was perfect. that being said you really have to consider where the attackers of your article are coming from,….Ignorance of the unadulterated word of God,this is because they are lazy. These types of individuals tend to be Sunday morning cotton candy popcorn scripturalist. If they were in fact reading the word of God,.. not just the scriptures that make them feel spiritual,yes they would know the truth and the truth would set them free. But I love all of this demonic garbage that’s going on because it is the fulfillment of the word of the Lord Jesus. Stevie Wonder could see it. I don’t care what any profit says,wolves in sheeps clothing. God is the head of the Church, the church is not a building, but each and every believer that makes up the Body of Christ,.. the true Church, the Ekklesia, the called out ones. Many are called but few are chosen! READ YOUR BIBLES,FOLLOW GOD’S WORD not the word of some toothy smiley personalities who are leading the beguiled brethren devoid of discernment into the pit. READ IT, IT’S ALL THERE. NOW YOU ALL HAVE BEEN WARNED. Father God The Great I AM, And our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ The Holy Lamb of God, I pray your Lost people be found and returned to you,and set free of the demonic forces that have taken hold of their deluded and simple minds. as it is written so let it be done. amen and amen
I attended the Lakeland meetings last Thursday night. I went to test the spirits whether they be of the Lord Jesus Christ who came in the flesh or of another. Watchinig on television, is one thing. Being there was quite another. I literally began weeping during the service. I saw the crowd as sheep having no shepherd. They were seeking healing, which God desires to give. But they were so bent on getting the healing that they were not seeking God. I noticed that at least three times, we were directed to honor various PEOPLE, including the pastors of the Ignited Church, and Todd Bentley, but there was never really any glory directed to God. At one point I opened my Bible for guidance to a random spot (wanting to start looking in the gospel for the scripture on sheep having no shepherd) and the Lord had my Bible fall open to Mark 13. Verse 5 reads “Watch out that no one deceives you. Many will come in my name, claiming “I am he,” and will deceive many.” I couldn’t have asked the Lord to speak in any clearer way. But that was just one of many things that convinced me that this is an evil deception from the enemy.
There was nothing fake in the physical reactions of people that were touched by Todd. They were being physically affected. I have no doubt that many of their testimonies of “healing” (at least the disappearance of symptoms) were true. But these acts are being performed by demons. Many of the people who fell, clearly were being demonized. I saw a lady pulled to the side of the stage and left manifesting demons with no one to minister to her after she was touched by Bentley. Another girl fell and lay twitching and then motionless after she fell under his touch. She was quickly removed from the stage before she was physically able to stand, and when she was back down off the platform she still could not stand up. She was bent at the waste. The workers form Bentley’s crew didn’t help her. Someone from the audience came to assist her to her seat. There was not gentleness or love being shown these people. At one point, when Bentley accidently touched or directed a “bam” toward one of the “announcers” that was introducing people as the came on stage (a huge guy that must have weighed 300 lbs.), the man lifted up and off the floor and went backwards through the air. The maniacal laughter that rose up from around the sanctuary when someone manifested demons by their violent shaking after Todd’s touch was a sound of mocking. It was not of the Lord. There was indeed power being manifested. But it was not the power of Jehovah God. Bentley no doubt has encourntered an angel. But it is not an angel of the Lord of Hosts. Another thing that was noticabley absent was any mention or sign of repentence. When God’s presence fills a place, the first thing that happens is repentence (see, e.g., Isaiah). I left the meeting after children from a children’s home for abused kids were brought on stage. It broke my heart that children that had already been victimized by the enemy were being revictimized by the demons working out through Bentley and his crew. As we walked away from the event, I and the two others with me were led to pray warfare prayers against the demonic. We together in the car all three broke down weeping because we felt the heart of God for this deception on His people. Sadly, many of those people that were there will need deliverance ministry from the demonization they’ve suffered at the hands of these so called ministers of God. Before going to the meeting, I would have probably simply told people to be careful and test the spirits etc. Now I will tell anyone who asks to stay away. Run, don’t walk, away from this! I have not fully recovered from seeing that abomination. It feels as if I have witnessed some heinous crime like a murder or rape. It makes me very sad. What is most astounding is that God’s people cannot now discern a wolf who is appearing in a wolf’s clothing.
I’ve read that Todd Bentley was convicted of molesting a 7 yr old boy. Is this true and if it is where can I find an article about it to show my pastor before he ‘imparts’ this man’s so-called anointing to our church.
Thanks,
anthony
JM,
Thanks for your firsthand testimony. It’s so sad the widespread deception. I wept as I read what you wrote especially about the children.
People are hungry and these people are getting fed a bad meal with indigestion to last a long while.
Anthony – yes it is true, and the article is on this site, but to be fair, I do not think you should judge any believer for something he did before he came to Christ IF it is repented of. If you are going to warn your pastor about Bentley, the do it based on his unbiblical words and deeds done today, not the actions of yesterday pre his conversion.
Are you not aware of what is happening to people physically in Florida right now? And around the world because of God’s power and Todd Bently being faithful doing what God asks. I have not seen you put any scripture to your ripping apart of this man who is very obviously called by God. What are you afraid of? Christ was a healer and miracle maker. And he told the disciples that with the holy spirit we would do greater things than he had done in his name because he will be with the father and anything we ask for in his name will be done.
John 14:12 12 I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
I have not seen any scripture to back up your constant tearing up of your supposed FALSE PROPHETS. What are you afraid of? God is to be feared, but he is also love and he wants to heal us, and change us. Todd Bently and many others are walking in that faith. Peoples lives are being changed daily. Are you going to tell the guy who regained his sight last night that it was a demonic power that did that. Or the gentleman that had 2 perfect solid GOLD teeth (roots and all) planted in his mouth in an instance that he is full of it. His dentist is in shock and awe, he has never seen anything like it.
Are you a new creation in him. Do you love your neighbor and show that in your life. The way your articles read you seem like a very anger, bitter, unhappy person. But I do not know you personally and will not start writing web pages full of information on you and your ideas and that they are demonic. I pray God will bring a peace over you and an eye opening, heart opening revelation of what God has for you. You have a forum that could be used to glorify God, rather than ripping to pieces his faithful workers.
God Bless
What is wrong with you people? Bentley’s not preaching the true gospel. He’s seeking glory and followers for himself, not Christ. He is clearly a money-changer, a false prophet, a liar, and an antichrist!! This is not based on supposition or personality… it’s based on his own words and deeds don’t align with scripture… it’s based on the truth!
Paul said when he was a child, he acted like a child, but when he became a man, he put away childish things. Some of you need to put away your childish beliefs and desires of the flesh. Get back into the Word of the living God and pray for repentance and discernment. Following this man and this movement will lead you straight to hell!
its crazy to hear all of this blasphemous criticism of men of God…what are any of YOU doing to expand His kingdom, besides sit around with a stick up your butt finger-pointing and being modern day pharisees? none of you are TRUE followers of Christ. NONE!
THIS is exactly why I don’t go to church. All it is is squabbling, gossipping, bitching, jealous, hypocritical, judgemental, complaining, self-righteous, i’m right and your wrong, if its not what i like then its bad, your sins are worse then mine, i’m so holy and righteous…bullshit…your all a bunch of pathetic clowns…i know drug dealers that sit around and talk shit about other people just like you do. Give it up, your all fake and want to make yourselfs feel better about how shitty your lives are and if Christians are supposed to be examples of jesus you are examples of people that hide behind a book and a name to hide how ugly you are inside…your all liars, thieves, adulterers, lustful, idol worshippers, gossipers, slanderers, influenced by the boss of all that…satan….people like you will NEVER influence me or anyone else that your Christian cause you do the same things we do, you just throw bible verses around to sugarcoat your evilness…I’m still waiting to find a “christian” that doesnt do exactly what everyone here does…you don’t “serve” god..you serve yourselves just like everyone else…HYPOCRITES
quick question- so many people here are claiming that this and that is demonic (can you prove it? physically prove it?) and also, since Lucifer cannot create, how can gold dust, oil, and all that stuff appear from someone that cannot create/make things appear? I would like solid physical proof that people falling down under the power of God is demonic. if you cannot prove it, you probably shouldn’t talk about it. prove it, prove it, prove it.
Your are absolutely right about not judging about things that are repented of before. But I’m still concerned about this issue. Has Todd Bentley made it clear that he has repented of molesting that 7 year old and is accountable to other grounded brothers in the Lord now about not being alone with any young children or having any appearance of evil.
This is an issue that matters a great deal to me.
Bless you,
anthony
Actually, Todd Bentley was saved when he was 17 so you must be saying he molested a child as a teenager. Why make up stories, if your people of christ why try to turn us all against an incredible man of God. He prays in jesus’ name and people are healed, just you wait, you will have to stand before our father and answer to him for the disgusting things you have spoke against his servant.
By the way this was written by a 12 yr old.
I noticed that comments people have left in support of Todd have actually been disappearing, it seems you are the deceptive one. People dont listen, this site is working for satan.
How flaming dare you. This site is basically HATE preaching. my God is the God of love, i dont know who you think God is but just let me say,
widespread deception…. from this pathetic liar.
i dont want to put down anything against anyone but in your case, this site is scum.
I bless you! I bless you to know God deeper, fully, more intimately… I bless you to encounter the love of Jesus over and over and over again for the rest of your life…that your heart may be swept with peace, love, joy, goodness, kindness, patience, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. May you grab a hold of every spiritual blessing–this is promised to you. I bless you to recieve from the Lord, and to pour it out on to other people. I bless you with healing in the places you need it, and the ability to bring others healing through Jesus, too. I bless you to continue to grow in your relationship with the trinity. I bless you to relentlessly seek the Lord in all you do…may he constantly fill your cup to overflowing. I bless you to reach others for his name sake..not because they need God but because Jesus deserves for them to worship him. I bless you with wisdom and knowledge and understanding. I bless you with the deep, wide, long, and high love of God. I bless your writing–may it glorify the Lord completely, earnestly, honestly. I bless the words you speak over people–may they be life bring, fruit-bearing, and from God and his grace. I bless you with the protection of the Lord…I bless your family to come to know the Lord in a deeper way. I bless you to become more intimate with Jesus–that the desires of your heart will truly be given to you by Him. I bless you to see past the falseness, to be filled with compassion for these “false prophets” in such a way that you will feel God’s heart for them…that your heart will break for the things God’s heart breaks for, and that you will be able to pray for them. I bless you with humility and friendship with God. I bless you in the name of Jesus.
Not that this is in defense or excuse of anyone’s heresy, or even that I’m “just playing devil’s advocate,” but:
I think it’s important to keep in mind that we all have some wrong ideas about God. This is because God is transcendent, and we are not. We can only know what He reveals to us about Himself– through His Word, through His creation, through His Son, through wisdom and revelation given by the Holy Spirit (those “aha!” moments when the light goes on), etc.
Such revelation is only received in as much as one has a love of the truth (see Romans 1). It is possible to be genuine, but not correct (as you yourself have said). However, I believe that if such sincerity is rooted in a teachable spirit and a desire for Truth, then wrong ideas are exposed and corrected in time by the leading of the Holy Spirit in that believer’s life. I know I’m still on a journey of growing in the knowledge of God. This maturity is a process that continues our whole lives.
In the mean time, I have wrong ideas about God. You have wrong ideas about God. But the Lord is not intimidated or threatened by this. He is a very good Shepherd who knows how to lead us on the path of righteousness.
I’m not saying you should never voice when you feel someone is in serious error, but… Yeah, I’m not really sure how to say what I’m trying to say.
I’ve believed things that I thought sure were rooted in sound biblical doctrine… until I actually read the passages I was using to back myself up in context. Then I saw the Bible was actually saying quite the opposite of what I was believing.* Many times it’s not quite as extreme as that…
So, in conclusion… I’ll have to come back to you on this when I have more time to process exactly what I’m trying to say. Thoughts so far on anything I’ve said?
*I’m not in any way trying to imply anything about anything you express in this article or may personally believe. I realized that sentence sounded like a “hint, hint; nudge, nudge,” which is not what I intended at all.
Anthony – No its all lies
This website is disgusting. If your christians why lie
THOU SHALT NOT LIE
how would you know anyway.
Amen for this awesome blog!! May the Lord open the eyes of those who are decieved (as I once was)!!!
Thank you for Lee and endtimesporpheticwords. I’ve been in this place before several times; the place of anguish over such grand deception.
I’ve asked the Lord to help know how to deal with it. How do you alert people? How do you express warning? Everytime I try (forgive me for saying so, but I’m a gentle person, so I don’t harshly confront), people want to pray for me so that I’ll “get it!” Or, they respond defensively, rebuking me etc.
We had a “healing crusade” in our city about 12 years ago that had all the earmarks of Todd Bentley’s Fresh Fire meetings. It left a terrible trail of confusion among our precious believers. At the time, they were completely enamoured by it all, but afterward their faith was ravaged, and it has taken time to restore and rebuild.
Now, it’s happening again, and again I’m deeply saddened by it. I’m not very articulate when speaking face to face, and I find it difficult to accurately explain my objections. Wow…just as I wrote that last statement, it became quite clear to me that the enemy has been confounding my speech. I immediately rebuked him and asked the Holy Spirit to help me speak the truth boldly and clearly, but always with love.
I will have to leave my local congregation too, since the majority are now taken in by this “wind of doctrine,” and at present, will not be inclined to hear the message of the Word of God. However, I do appreciate the counsel to resist “leaving quietly”.
I have always wondered why God gives me this discernment, if it’s not for the common good. (1 Corinthians 12:7) Now I know it IS for the common good, and I will move forward with it in confidence, regardless of how it is received.
Thank you for this place to share. God Bless you!
In Christ…..Selah
Anthony: I only know the details from this one article that was posted with the information in. I have known several sex offenders who got ’saved’ (or said there were) – several of whom I would not let within even a few feet of any children as they were not repentent and for that reason not healed. One other I knew personally, however he was repentent and also accountable, although not yet fully healed, and it was only early days, so I was still very careful watching him like a hawk when any children were around. You need to be wise and careful for their sake if nothing else – but more than that the kids’.
Courtney:
Welcome to this site. I am not making up stories, I have not said ‘disgusting’ things (apart from the truth which can be gross but that’s not my fault, – isn’t it the person doing the gross things you should shoot rather than the one who points it out, the messenger – don’t shoot the messenger!) – and yes, if you read the article on this site Todd Bentley was in a sex abuse ring as a teenager and has publically admitted this. Don’t you know that kids can do some really horrible things to other kids? It is not just adults that sin and who are accountable to God for this.
Now that’s out of the way, ‘Courtney’ (whoever you are and whatever age you really are -as someone has been posting in another name too from your computer), why don’t you look at the actual facts that we have spoken about and the scriptures, and the reasons why we are actually worried about Todd and this false revival (which is notthing to do with the sex abuse in this case), which is the real point here of these articles.
Lots of people come in Jesus name but they ain’t true servants of God. Do you believe everything you are told and accept it at face value? Go deeper, Courtney. Just as there are counterfeit banknotes thee are counterfeit healers, prophets and revivalists.
Courtney Taylor aka Angela Whitmore
No comments ‘in support of Todd’ have been dissappearing despite your all only too quick accusation.
This site is moderated so comments take a while to appear live, including yours, whatever name you post in. And yes, despite the spirit they were written in, I still allowed your nasty comments about this site being scum to go live in BOTH of your names.
Tie:
Just because I speak out and warn about, and proclaim certain men and women to be false prophets (based on scriptural guidelines) who says I do not love them or have compassion for them?!!! Love and warning go together they are not contradictions. And what about feeling the heart of God for the misled or abused flock, eh?
LJ:
You are right nobody has perfect theology, and nobody has perfect practises. We are all still growing and learning. But that does not mean that error – any error, however small – should not be corrected when spotted and routed out of the church and the minister corrected.
In the case where a teacher is seriously in error on multiple points AND also FALSELY prophesies AND has some decietful and dodgy practises and teaches multiple anointings, there is even more reason to expose the false spirits at work in that person’s ministry. And when the minister in question is not just naive and sincerely deluded but is actually deliberately doing charlatanism, and merchandises the gospel, then even more shame on them and even more reason to steer clear of them and their ‘anointings’.
End Times:
I was definately not trying to say that you don’t have compassion or love for these people. I simply wanted to bless you with more. Of course love and warning go together–a warning without love always fails… And, of course we need to feel God’s heart for the misled or abused! With as much criticism as you recieve, I was simply wanting to bless you in this particular area of dealing with false prophets. Please understand my heart behind the blessing: it was not meant to be seen as cynicism, bitterness, judging, etc at all. Everyone recieves way too much of that from everyone else. Just wanted to bless you!
Tie:
I saw your heart was to bless BUT at the same time I wanted to make it abundantly clear – not just for you but for others reading – that love and warning are compatabile and not enemies of each other
Thanks
Regarding your reply:
I agree in addressing it, for sure. I think the point I was trying to address in my original comment was not that such people/beliefs/practices shouldn’t be addressed, but that they should be addressed in love and humility, always keeping in the back of your mind that you don’t have the whole picture either and you may not be 100% correct on [fill in the blank] either. I’m not saying there are not absolutes, I’m just saying (as I said before) that we only know in part.
Again, I’m not saying any of this to imply anything towards you. This is no passive/aggressive rebuke or disagreement. I’m saying this simply to bring it to the table, as it’s a good reminder for all involved in any discussion like this.
Regarding this article:
Could some of this just be an issue of semantics and poor choice of words on Bentley’s behalf? I just wonder what he means be “anointings.” Could he just mean spiritual gifts and different emphases of ministry? You know, 1 Cor. 12 sort of stuff. If that’s the case, he’s not quite as far gone. There are, after all, different “callings” and giftings. Not everyone’s a pastor, or a missionary, or have the gift of [fill in the blank]. If by “anointing” he means “commissioned by the Lord and empowered by the Holy Spirit for such-and-such ministry,” that would be very different than “anointing” as he means it now…
And what else would he mean? Something vague and ethereal? I would be interested to know how he would define these “anointings.” Does he just mean various gifts/roles as members of the body over which Christ is the head? And what are the 10 that he lists? If you could point me to some other articles or videos, that would be great.
Maybe I’m too hopeful, but I still think there’s a good chance he genuinely loves the Lord. His “manipulation” in ministry could be in part his great desire to see the Lord truly break in, so he subconsciously and/or intentionally tries to “help Him along”. And a lot of it could just be immaturity. In my own zeal, I’ve done/said/believed some pretty silly things and thought it by God and/or for God. He is so tender and patient with us.
Anyways, I just thought I through some more musings out there.
Not sure about all these people like Todd communicating with long dead apostles – yes the original 12, & other bible characters. The bible clearly prohibits communicating with anyone that is dead. We are to only ask things from God and Jesus. Not dead saints… IOW LOTS of red flags go up when it comes to stuff like this. No biblical precedence whatsoever – its that thing that makes you say “ummm…”.
What is also interesting is that during this florida event when Todd prayed for teens & adults they were falling all over the place (slain in the spirit – twitching, yelling, crawling, hysterics, etc), but when children were prayed for and in the exact same manner, the children about age 9 & below, NONE were slain in the spirit or had the same reactions as the “big people”. Ummm…
Lots of claims for money i.e. sowing seeds so they could reap a double portion of financial blessing, which seems to be a ‘word’ each & every year. Todd & many others claim the church MUST walk in this and receive their annoitings & mantels but it always requires $$$ (going to conf, buying tickets, tapes, CDs, DVDs, partnership/monthly memberships, etc), yet Jesus said “freely you received, now freely give”. IOW if it really was for everyone (a must have to walk in His fullness) in the body of Christ they would give it freely to everyone so as to have treasure in heaven; but apparently it doesnt work the way Jesus and the disciples did it in the bible or first century church. So if you dont have $$$ to purchase these “must have teachings & soakings”, your out of luck & God cant bless you = hogwash. Thats not my God.
This is nothing more than promoting partiality that James warns against. IOW they are showing partiality by dividing up the body of Christ based on how much $$$ one has & is willing to fork over, BUT never do we see this call or command by Jesus or His disciples.
Here is a bible passage that directly deals with this type of thing…
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Ezekiel 34
Prophecy against the Shepherds of Israel
Then the word of the LORD came to me saying, “Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel Prophesy and say to those shepherds, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Woe, shepherds of Israel who have been feeding themselves! Should not the shepherds feed the flock?
“You eat the fat and clothe yourselves with the wool, you slaughter the fat sheep without feeding the flock. “Those who are sickly you have not strengthened, the diseased you have not healed, the broken you have not bound up, the scattered you have not brought back, nor have you sought for the lost; but with force and with severity you have dominated them. “They were scattered for lack of a shepherd, and they became food for every beast of the field and were scattered.
“My flock wandered through all the mountains and on every high hill; My flock was scattered over all the surface of the earth, and there was no one to search or seek for them.”‘”
Therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the LORD: “As I live,” declares the Lord GOD, “surely because My flock has become a prey, My flock has even become food for all the beasts of the field for lack of a shepherd, and My shepherds did not search for My flock, but rather the shepherds fed themselves and did not feed My flock; therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of the LORD:
‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I am against the shepherds, and I will demand My sheep from them and make them cease from feeding sheep So the shepherds will not feed themselves anymore, but I will deliver My flock from their mouth, so that they will not be food for them.”‘”
For thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I Myself will search for My sheep and seek them out. “As a shepherd cares for his herd in the day when he is among his scattered sheep, so I will care for My sheep and will deliver them from all the places to which they were scattered on a cloudy and gloomy day. “I will bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the countries and bring them to their own land; and I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the inhabited places of the land.
“I will feed them in a good pasture, and their grazing ground will be on the mountain heights of Israel There they will lie down on good grazing ground and feed in rich pasture on the mountains of Israel. “I will feed My flock and I will lead them to rest,” declares the Lord GOD. “I will seek the lost, bring back the scattered, bind up the broken and strengthen the sick; but the fat and the strong I will destroy I will feed them with judgment.
“As for you, My flock, thus says the Lord GOD, ‘Behold, I will judge between one sheep and another, between the rams and the male goats. ‘Is it too slight a thing for you that you should feed in the good pasture, that you must tread down with your feet the rest of your pastures? Or that you should drink of the clear waters, that you must foul the rest with your feet?
‘As for My flock, they must eat what you tread down with your feet and drink what you foul with your feet!’” Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD to them, “Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep. “Because you push with side and with shoulder, and thrust at all the weak with your horns until you have scattered them abroad, therefore, I will deliver My flock, and they will no longer be a prey; and I will judge between one sheep and another. “Then I will set over them one shepherd, My servant David, and he will feed them; he will feed them himself and be their shepherd. “And I, the LORD, will be their God, and My servant David will be prince among them; I the LORD have spoken.
“I will make a covenant of peace with them and eliminate harmful beasts from the land so that they may live securely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods. “I will make them and the places around My hill a blessing And I will cause showers to come down in their season; they will be showers of blessing. “Also the tree of the field will yield its fruit and the earth will yield its increase, and they will be secure on their land Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bars of their yoke and have delivered them from the hand of those who enslaved them.
“They will no longer be a prey to the nations, and the beasts of the earth will not devour them; but they will live securely, and no one will make them afraid. “I will establish for them a renowned planting place, and they will not again be victims of famine in the land, and they will not endure the insults of the nations anymore. “Then they will know that I, the LORD their God, am with them, and that they, the house of Israel, are My people,” declares the Lord GOD. “As for you, My sheep, the sheep of My pasture, you are men, and I am your God,” declares the Lord GOD.
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My advice is to “test everything”, seek God, listen & obey only Him.
Love,
steve
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Prophetic or Pathetic Ministry?
So many of our prophetic words, dreams and visions are delivered with impunity, sort of “hit and run” tactics, with no sense of responsibility to the word or the people to which it is directed.. This lack of personal accountability to these “words” gives rise to ministerial malpractice. This ever-growing phenomenon must be called to account and be addressed for the sake of discernment and accurately knowing the Mind of Christ. With the myriads of prophetic words, dreams and visions posted on various websites, it is high time to examine these so-called “prophetic words” which are quickly compiling a track record of being scripturally unsound, or a “one size fits all” form of soothsaying, rarely coming to pass. “God is not a “God of confusion,” offering scores of contradictory “words,” heavy on power and blessing, and lacking in “Christ and Him crucified.”
Employing the Old Testament criteria for judging true prophets and their words would result in greatly reducing all of this free-wheeling prophetic hype we are currently being inundated with. In truth, it would almost be comical if it weren’t so tragic. Not everyone who calls themselves a prophet, is a prophet. Based upon Scripture, it is therefore incumbent upon us to hold these messengers accountable and examine their words carefully, now more than ever. A line by line exhortation of Jeremiah 23 might work wonders in helping to eradicate the artificial and misappropriated prophetic words so commonplace in our day. It has become arguably a scourge of epidemic proportions, of the “prophetic word” made cheap. These things ought not to be.
Can the explanation for this ongoing “Mars Hill” prophetic circus, which continues to grow in popularity, be attributable to a true lack of the fear of God, an over active sense of self-importance or need to garner attention, and a lack of discernment by many who receive these words? Is it worth the risk of being found naked before God and men? You be the judge! Sooner or later, someone in the crowd will speak up and declare what should have been obvious to the multitude. “The king isn’t wearing any clothes!” Going along with the crowd in order to gain tacit approval or knuckling under to peer pressure simply will not fly. There is no escaping personal responsibility as it always comes down to, “Who do YOU say that I am?”
Here is an analogy. Terrorists are cowards at heart, bomb throwers, who use hit and run tactics, who avoid facing their targets directly, do not discriminate between combatants and innocents, and don’t consider themselves accountable for their actions. This is what much of the so-called “prophetic ministry” has become, in word and practice. But, it is even more than that. It is a character issue. It is an integrity issue. It is a heart issue. It is time to come to grips with this matter. It is time to clean house. It is time to repent. It is time to treat this ministry as holy before the Lord. Are we jealous enough to desire to see the reality and purity of the Lord’s testimony? It would serve us well to be restored to a healthy fear lest we “speak that which the Lord has not spoken.” What would be the result? It is quite likely that today’s glut of “prophetic words” would be significantly reduced and its scarcity would once again cause it be restored to its rightful preciousness. What should it be worth to us? No less than everything!
Fred London,
It’s a shame real Christian leaders, especially those in the pulpit will not stand up and denounce the heresy and madness. I just don’t understand it. The Apostle Paul had no trouble naming names no matter the consequences. It seems it’s all left to internet bloggers like Miriam here.
Sadly, a lot of the “leaders” are leading the flock astray…
I came here looking for objective opinions about the Lakeland thing happening. a Few weeks ago I attended a conference in Syracuse, and I was amazed at how many brothers and sisters seem to abandon discernment during meeting. I hear people praising the lake land event and packing up to go to it but they don’t seem to know anything about it or the people doing it.
I want so bad to see real prophecy, healings, and teachings but at every turn, I see falseness. I am sick an tired of prayer for healings that never get answered. I’m tiered of “prophets”, “healers”, and “apostles” seeing a person in a wheel chair or with a deformity and then force a prayer of healing on them just because of what eyes see. I’ve seen so many people hurt by this that it sickens me.
We are all people with all the same ability to laugh and cry, tell truth and lie, Hurt and heal, sin and worship, and to live (abundantly) and die. but to these “ministers” some people are only there affliction.
I believe that it is time that we stand against the liars and fakes, but not like a bunch of nut jobs. So many people go off on brothers and sisters in Christ for silly things like Easter bunnies, Christmas trees, and halloween that they give taking a Godly stand a bad name. When we stand, we must not stand against the People! We must stand against spiritual wickedness.
We all live in the sin (with sufficient grace) we are un-convicted of, at least as long as we feel no conviction. So, when some one is in an Easter egg hunt, you don’t tear them down or judge them. Instead meet the un-convicted at there level. Understand that it is a fun to be in an Easter egg hunt, but teach about the Resurrection! Do you even have to say that Easter egg hunts are evil? Isn’t it enough to ask if it is used as a substitute for the remembrance Christ? Let the Holy Spirit convict whom He will. Conviction is our job.
A friend of mine, fearing that I was sinning and speeding towards hell, once told me that he was going to be a road block on the road to hell. I think that illustrates my point well. If a person is speeding, heading the wrong way on a road and you block the path and cause them to smash into you, it’s over. You are in a pile of burning debris. However, if you ask to ride awhile with them, can’t you at the least prompt them after some time to change course even a little. A few degrees here and a few there will eventually add up to 180.
Bringing the presence of God into a relation ship will shine a light on sin. In time, the person in sin will be convicted. Then they will chose to repent or reject the one with the light.
So is Todd Bentley Evil or Godly? Isn’t that is the wrong question?
“What is most astounding is that God’s people cannot now discern a wolf who is appearing in a wolf’s clothing.”
It could not have been said any more clearly then that. Exactly.
I am concerned when I see that the criteria to find out whether or not a preacher is from God is by the amount of mirracles seen in his minisrty rather than the accuracy of his teachings. It’s like people check their brains off at the door because they might receive the “power” or the “anointing”.
I am sad to see how far off the Christian Church has gone. As if to say that a revival means that people will be falling left and right and have a buzz to make them feel good. What happened to learning from the Word of God book by book and chapter by chapter and living our lives by it? Now that would be a revival! That other new age stuff, that’s not the God of the Bible. If Jesus saw someone acting the way those people are in those videos, He would have command the spirit to come out from them! 2Timothy 1:7 “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a SOUND MIND.”
Galatians 5:22-23 “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, SELF-CONTROL. Against such there is no law.”
William Braham’s angel helping Todd? Having communion with Paul and Adam? ARE WE THAT BLIND TO HERESY? Just because people are being healed folks, doesn’t mean it’s from God! Wake up people, repent, return to the Bible and forget that nonsence.
Are we seeing the power of God at work in the Florida ‘revival’ or the power of TV? How is is that Todd Bentley manages to get the microphone to his mouth for every guffaw and Spirit-induced shout? Where is the love in this so-call ministry? Where is the peace and humility? Where is the sound Biblical theology?
How can a fellow Christian listen to TB telling people to touch their TV screens or computers for impartation and not be alarmed? Todd Bentley told satan “listen to ME!”, is that not offensive to Father God? Why is it that the only gift of God being celebrated here is faith? I believe God has blessed my husband and I with discernment… we share absolute distaste and sadness for this vile deception and the damage it is wreaking on the body of Christ.
All those out there convinced that Todd Bentley is being used by God must test what they’re seeing and hearing against Scripture. They must also do some research about the theology underpinning this ‘ministry’. They should also read Matthew 24’s warning about false prophets and remember that God issues these warnings to protect His children. Church leaders must take their role as shepherds seriously and protect their flocks from this dangerous deception.
Associates of Todd Bentley and the Fresh Fires Ministry are here in the UK. A healing conference is currrently touring the UK, hosted by various charismatic churches. I was invited. Praise God for the discernment He gave me. I hadn’t at that stage even heard of the Florida ‘outpouring’. My spirit as troubled and I didn’t know why, I only knew I must not go. After a little detective work I discovered the two are connected.
I believe Todd Bentley started out on God’s path but became influenced by satan. Listen to or read TB’s testimonies about angels. Listen to his ex-colleagues who warned him of impending dangers. Todd himself isn’t evil but the spirits who have attached themselves to him are.
Beware false prophets church!
Let’s pray for true revival, a true outpouring of God’s glory which will magnify Him and bring glory to Him. And Him alone.
I have a couple of question for the writer of this blog.
1. It is obvious that you have labelled Todd Bentley as a false prophet/teacher etc. Would you then say that he has evil intentions consistently with this revival? Or he is simply immature in God?
When Jesus weighed the churches in Revelations He said that they do some things well and rebuked other things yet in my mind they were all still His no matter how bad the “bad” things were.
2. If you are saying Todd Bentley is a false prophet thus evil, then what is his motivation for these meetings?
I am a minister and I know how difficult it is to consistently minister let alone to minister for 35 plus days.
-It has been established that Bentley has refused any money from the offerings taken in the meetings and is being covered by the salary he receives from his own ministry Freshfire (Canada). So it can’t be money.
-If it is fame he is after, how could this happen? If God is not moving are you saying the enemy has enough power to draw so many people from the world to this event? The enemy is a counterfeiter and always mimics something truthful that God is doing. So what is the genuine move that is being counterfeited?
Just curious….
I just logged on to this site for the first time. I will not comprimise the word of God. Let God be true but every man a liar. I know i am an imperfect vessel, and i do not claim to be something i am not. I am child created by the most high god, I only believe in his one true word, Jesus Christ. I seek after him daily, my desire is not to lead anyone, except into his presence. We will all stand before God and be judge. I want to comment on a statement made on April 24. Ref: Falling out under the spirit, without a catcher. Let me say I am a sinner saved by the grace of Jesus Christ. Blessed are those who are presercuted for his name sake. I can honestly tell you that one night (in a different unrelated revival) God used a preacher to call me out. He laid his hand on me, I never saw him before. As he laid his hand on me the power of God overtook me. I had no control over anything, but the desire and hunger for God. When God overtook me, the power of God shot through my body, like a mighty rushing wind. I had no idea, of what was going to happen when that preacher touched me and spoke to me. But I had Faith in Jesus Christ, the living God. God is alive, His Spirit is real, The power of God is greater than ever before, so do not doubt, I know God can touch anyone willing, I did not know someone was standing behind me, because I did not know what was going to happen. Please seek God, know that HE loves you. Stop worrying about other people, seek his face, while he may be found, He loves you. I pray for you to hunger and thrist for Him, that his anointing will over take you and that you will have an even greater ministry than this, Just as Paul was on the road to Damascus, I pray you will have that same encounter, God is AWESOME, please seek him, set aside all that is decieving you, and seek Him, just as David, a man after God’s own heart did. In Love may the peace of God that surpasses all understanding surround you. Love you brother God Bless, In Jesus Name.
Dave –
You say ‘it can’t be money’, but then you say this based on what you are told (by them), not by what you actually know for a fact.
A false prophet is not necessarily evil in the sense you mean it – they can be very sincere but very wrong – but in Todd Bentley’s case he is not that as he is not sincere, or immature even – he is a liar and mocker of God and men and a charlatan on many points and hypes things up. His intentions are not good and godly. He is linked to an antichrist movement whose intentions are anything but godly and this ‘revival’ comes from the pit – and yes, some leaders do know exactly what it is they do (not all of them though).
How could a sincere minister let Pal Cain lie in the way he did the other night unrebuked or corrected – that is just one example of many obvious lies?
Regardless the point is, not is he sincere, (but how can anyone be sincere to talk or minister as he does – did you see his mocking blah blah blah video? http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/a-video-for-all-you-todd-bentley-healing-revival-fans/ ) but does he preach a true message and is it really the power of God doing what is claimed and not flesh or worse, demons? The answer of course is no, it is not God and the teachings lead astray and are false and anti bible and anti christ. True signs do not, and cannot, testify to false words, false prophets and false christs.
Ok if you say that todd takes all the glory for himself, then howcome at last nights services for over 2 hours the praise and worship went on saying all glory for you, praise your name, or bless you lord. “obviously” hes taking all the glory for himself by saying these things. Cmon people! Wake up, Jesus wants to have a encounter with you!
Plus it is not our Job as Sons and Daughters of God to Judge people! That is Gods Job, and Gods Job alone! The holy spirit will convict people when they are doing wrong, PERIOD! It is our job as christians to love people! And all these scriptures that you have on judging people, All of them were said by JESUS! the onlyone who can judge people! Thankyou God that you are man and that we can trust you! Todd has some immaturity’s, But dont we all!! don’t mistake immaturity for The demonic people! You can tell a person by his fruits, and Jesus is moving in those meetings, so there must be some good stuff going on there, cause jesus is the ultimate fruit. Todd bently is a son of God and so am I! The healing power of Jesus works through his sons and daughters, PERIOD~! Wake up, and ask the Holy spirit people!
“Plus it is not our Job as Sons and Daughters of God to Judge people!”
Actually if you look at scripture we are told to judge “with righteous judgment” & not with appearance or being hypocritical. The bible commands us to TEST EVERYTHING and to expose those who are false teachers, false prophets, etc who preach a DIFFERENT MESSAGE.
The problem with false teachers/preachers/prophets is that they think they are doing God’s work but when compared to the ‘in context’ standard of God’s word, they are found to believe & promotes lots of heresy. I am sure Todd & others are really nice people who have nice families, but God’s word says that these false teachers will be IN the church already (and they are) and if they wont turn back to the truth, God will turn them over to their own debase minds and a great delusion. What greater delusion is there when you see some signs & miracles happen despite the fact that these people regularly communicate with the dead, which the God & His word forbids?
IOW these people are seeing stuff work, so it must be God right? Wrong, the enemy also has lots of signs & wonders.
People say Todd is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but look at Todd’s conversion/testimony, not once does he say he repented of sin, nor ask forgiveness from Jesus, but rather the Apostle Paul appeared to him and gave him a special “anointing’ and ‘mantle’. He also spoke with Abraham, David, angels and others, but no mention of repentance or confession of sin. Why is that? Simple because its a false conversion. Its heresy thru & thru. Did you know that Todd claims to have spoken with the dead apostle Paul and that Paul said he didnt get the book of Hebrews from God, Jesus or the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, but by communicating with dead Abraham? No where in scripture is this condoned or seen = a lie & a different & false teaching.
The question is…
Are you going to follow the set standard set down by God in scripture? or chase after people who do things that are considered an abomination by God?
The choice is your Bryce, but I pray you make the right decision. Ask God to rip, tear, shred & burn out anything in your life that offends God and that He would draw you close to Him; to have God refine you with His fire and that that of those who are preaching/teaching a false and different message which the Apostle Paul said…
2 Corinthians 11:3-5
“3But I am afraid that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, your minds will be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ. 4For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.”
Galatians 1:6-9
“I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; 7which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!”
IOW Paul is saying that what He preached & is recorded in scripture by the inspiration of God, is the only gospel/standard we have and that even if he, be alive or dead, or even if an angel, gave a different message, he said to not believe it, but that even he was to be accursed.
We can plainly see that Todd & lots of others are preaching a DIFFERENT MESSAGE which they receive from dead people and angels, so we must be on our guard & follow on Jesus Christ & God’s word. Check out this scripture…
1 Timothy 6:3-5
“3If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, 4he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, 5and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.”
For those who are eager to have Todd or anyone who preaches a different message &/or engages in false prophecy to have them lay hands on them and get “imparted” anything, you really need to consider this scripture…
1 Timothy 5:22
“Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men’s sins: keep thyself pure.”
Why is this such a danger the laying of hands by false prophets & teachers? Because there is the spirit of God (who gives good gifts) and then there are other spirits that are not of God. Please everyone be careful.
Love,
steve
Endtime,
I understand what you are saying about the money issue but don’t you also make assumptions about Bentley based on only a little evidence?
I have heard a lot of what Bentley says and much of it leads people to Jesus. I think the critical issue is, what do people do when they are under the “anointing”? I have felt the power of God in ministry and I tend to do and say many more bold things than I would in a normal environment.
The blah, blah , blah video can be nothing but a mistake or an aberration from normal ministry. Bentley is definitely fiery. Furthermore, I do believe God gives such a high value on our free will that when any of us feel the power of God we all are still given free will with what to do with it.
God’s evaluation of our ministry is based solely on heart issues which we ultimately cannot see or judge.
Bentley comes from a completely “heathen \” background with no church upbringing. He has always been one to push normal religous standards to the edge. My thought then is that this does not make him a false prophet but just different. It is possible to make mistakes in ministry or say or do things that you regret later on in life. I sure have… haven’t you?
MIRACLES, SIGNS, AND WONDERS AREN’T FRUIT! THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT IS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN MR BENTLEY FROM WHAT I’VE SEEN AT HIS LAKELAND REVIVAL. THE PROOF IS IN THE FRUIT & HIS SMELLS BAD.
he’s gonna have some neck problems whippin his head back and forth & side to side like that. dudes gotta a demon on him.
four nights ago i had this dream, and two days later saw what God was showing me in the two videos of todd bentley on you tube. in my dream this little guy (i now know he was a demon) came up to me in my house and started saying things to me that one minute would make me feel bad and the next minute not so bad (thats b/c at first i was having mixed emotions about the revival, a guy mentions the name of Jesus and you think he’s legit. uh uh even the demons believe, and even the devil can quote scriptures). i remember he then ran out of my front door. well, i looked out of my window and across the yard i see a boy coming out of his house and he looked crazy & he quickly walked up to his brother and smashed him in the head with a 2×4 wood block. it knocked him clean to the ground, then the brother got up and he “returned” the favor doing the same thing to his brother. all of the sudden that little guy mischievously ran over and sat a little box on the ground beside the parents who were in attendance watching it all. i had a feeling that something bad was about to happen. i started screaming and shouting and pointing. as they jumped back the box exploded into a mystical orangish red fire. one parent got consumed the other didnt. both kids were consumed i think. i ran across the yard and all of the sudden this cloud/fog looking thing was frantically attacking people. as i started saying the “Our Father” prayer it attacked me and so i was swatting and praying, it was trying to get inside of my mouth and was choking me and it had an aweful smell. i just cried out “God, Jesus help me!” and then i woke up. the crazy thing was i stumbled across a video of todd bentley 2 days later and he was explaining an angel he saw, and i believe this “encounter” to be the day he received his “POW-er” or deeper “annoy-nting.” here’s the video link:
http://www. youtube. com/watch?v=kSlt0_8HwMk&feature=related
AND WHILE YOUR ON YOUTUBE LOOK AT TODD BENTLEY & THE PILLAR OF FIRE
and check out luke 6:20-26
When I saw Todd’s Florida’s event (it’s still on) I wondered if anyone else was as moved as I was so I came online to see. Yes, I feel the man is a false prophet. But who am I to say God can’t use him in his plan for mankind? God gives gifts to people for the benefit of others. Who is a prophet to himself? The gift of discernment is just that. A gift, to be shared because everyone doesn’t have it. It’s just the discerner’s job to observe and share what has been revealed to them. That’s it. What you do with those statements is up to you and God. If this stikes a nerve, maybe it’s just God’s way of saying “Let’s talk.” So pray and found out what God wants you to get out of Todd or this subject in general.
I don’t think the moderator has ever said that any of the things in Todd’s performance are fake experiences, just most of the ones we see there! That is, of course people are miraculously healed by God thru healers. Are most of the ones I witnessed tonight ‘real’? I don’t believe so.
I have been ’slain in the spirit’ and I didn’t even fall over. I sat there and felt God move through another person and into me. I did not need a catcher. God was having a moment with me and he was all I needed. I did not pause to straigten my shirt or look to anyone for cues.
I think God meets us where we are in the circumstances we are in. Jesus told us that we cannot comprehend what’s really going on here nor what Heaven is like. We need to accept this and realize that none of anything works for everyone.
I’ve learned to thank God for everyone. We can learn so much from others if we keep an open mind and ask God to help us understand things as they relate to us.
To: endtimespropheticwords – If your intent here is to share in such a way as to help people and not just stimulate passionate comments, then perhaps a slightly different approach may be useful. If you’ll read “How to Win Friends and Influence People” you’ll learn how to tell people what the NEED to hear in a way that they can accept it. I think the book is second only to the Bible. Also, if it is your job to discern, then please use more scriptures to explain yourself. Lee did a great job of using Scriptures to explain his points of view. You do a great job informing people about techniques used (such as cold-reading). He uses alot of pure sales tatics as well. Not to mention some hypnosis techniques. You might also share some of what you consider ‘truth’ as well. Share what you think are good fruits that people could use as criteria.
Just a couple of thoughts for you to consider.
Love endures long and is patient and kind;love never is envious nor boils over with jealousy, is not boastful or vainglorious, does not display itself haughtily. It is not conceited (arrogant and inflated with pride); it is not rude (unmannerly) and does not act unbecomingly. Love (Gods love in us)does not insist on its own rights or its own way for it is not self-seeking; it is not touchy or fretful or resentful; it takes no account of the evil done to it (it pays no attention to a suffered wrong). It does not rejoice at injustice and unrighteousness, but rejoices when right and truth prevail. Love bears up under anything and everything that comes, IS EVERY READY TO BELIEVE THE BEST OF EVERY PERSON, its hopes are fadeless under all circumstances, and it endures everything (without weakening). Love never fails.
Jesus was the epitome of love, He was a servent to all men and died for us. He was our example. We are to be like Him. Jesus said we are to LOVE the Lord God with all our hearts, minds, souls, and strength and to love our neighbor as ourselves. This is first and second greatest commandments. Matt. 7:2 says, For just as you judge, you will also be judged. He is warning us not to be quick to judgement. Discernment is based in LOVE. Love says I will die for you. If you are not functioning in love your not truly discerning properly. Prov. 3:5 says, Lean on, trust in, and be confident in the LORD with all your heart and mind and DO NOT rely on your own insight or understanding. That really leaves my opinion out of it. The Lord sent the comforter to lead and guide us into all truth. The only way for that to happen is to be on our knees in prayer seeking Him with our whole hearts. Please remember that, It is He who has qualified us (making us to be fit and worthy and sufficient) as ministers and dispensers of a new covenant, not ministers of the letter (of legally written code) but of the SPIRIT; for the Law KILLS, but the SPIRIT gives life. It is also my prayer that you don’t fixate on one thing you may disagree with me on and thereby disregard the whole thing, but that you will receive this in love and allow the Lord to speak to you on these things.
You accuse Todd Bentley in the most unloving, ungracious way. Can I just point out that accusation is of the devil, who is called the accuser. This is not the way that Jesus would correct Todd Bentley, were he indeed in error. The Lord Himself NEVER accuses us, or speaks to us with a harsh voice. When you begin to be gracious and concerned for this man, then perhaps people will listen to you.
Also, they have had two documented resurrections from the dead, and the devil has NEVER been seen to do this. By their fruits shall ye know them. The fruit I see from Todd’s ministry is hope, grace and genuine drawing close to God. I know because I have experienced it myself, and I am a mature Christian, so I think I’d know deception when I see it.
I would just like to say this , We all need to look at the word we have been given from above and know this, i nor any of you know it wheil enough to say i got it down pat.
God says he is the same yesterday and today and does not change.
When we go through the old testment there are some thoings happening there are out there for the natrual mindto understand right? We must be in the spirit to truely get in and remember all the ones you read about in thebible lost it once or twice , or might we say they got in the flesh for a bit because we are in the flesh and we have to over come each second of the life even in our dreams we have to overcome. Jesus is the only one who hasit all right when they tried to trick him into a wrong answer they spon them selfs into a word game they always came up losers because Jesus was God in the flesh showing us the way but we have to win the battle daily.
Now has for Todd can he get into the flesh yes he can just like any of us but for now God is doing some great things and alot of people are comeing to know the Lord. remember you only see things your nimd lets you see its a fleshly problem you have to live in the spirit and say nothing untill he gives it to you, You might be right that Todd use bad ways and didnt have the true calling of a prophet but maybe he is flowing in knew found area that God is called him for he is good at getting the people together and lifting up the name of Jesus and people are getting healed.
Just think if we all would be vessels that let God spirit flow through us and not be afraid of what others might think or say.
has for the post number 43 please don’t look at the flesh to figure out if the spiritural things are real.
We are not to look at man we are to look at Jesus and learn his ways, only the Holy spirit can help you now, because you have built up a big distrust for man and i feel you like the flesh because you used alot of fleshly words to explain yourself , well maybe you where just trying to shook other readers but Jesus knows your heart and he will love you and lead you if you look to him and just do the things he says to do. i’m on his holy space alot and you can find alot of good people there to help you walk through this fleshly battle
Well to all might i ask that the Holy spirit move on us that we can all grow in our needs to be better hears and doers of his work and dont put down others let God destroy the false teachers and bad leaders he seems to be doing a good job of letting sin be found out.
Remember He is the one in control reather we like his plan or not. His ways are not our ways and our ways lead to destrution.
PLEASE FORGIVE MY POOR SPELLING AND GRAMMER BUT I HOPE MY HEART FEELING AND THE SPIRIT IS ALL THAT CAME THROUGH . PLEASE lORD HELP US TO WIN THE BATTLE OVER OUR FLESH AND HAVE OUR MINDS RENEW BY YOU
“Todd bently is a son of God and so am I!”
“It is our job as christians to love people!”
You do not know what love even is, you serve a false gospel and you do not care to warn others of the damnation they will face if they dont repent of their doctrines of devils and false christs and false gospels.
IT IS YOU WHO NEEDS TO WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE OR YOU WILL BE LOST.
2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies
Well I have read all the comments against the Revival at Florida
I am 63 years of age have family all married & following
the teaching of Jesus. Just finished watching the revival on GOD t.v.I saw a man testify & all worship was directed to Jesus cannot understand why all the people have written against, what is truly a move of the Lord.
So sorry you can’t sense the anointing of the Holy Spirit in relation to this.
Bryce,
“Plus it is not our job as Sons and Daughters of God to Judge people! That is Gods Job, and Gods Job alone!”
Your statement has an element of truth… but the rest of the story is:
1Cr 5:9-13 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.
But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges[fn2] those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
We in the church do have a right and an obligation and in essence a command through the Holy Spirit to JUDGE within the church.
I have been watching dome of the Todd meetings on God TV and although I desire to be open to the Holy Spirit and I want to see people saved, delivered and healed, theres just something about this whole ‘movement’ ‘revival’ call it what you will, that keeps the alarm bells in me ringing. We are warned in scripture that many false prophets will go out into the world, but i’m sure most of them will not be OBVIOUSLY false. Satan wants to deceive even the elect if that were possible. As children of God we have to be wise and discerning without being cold-hearted and cynical… its hard to get the balance.
But we cannot just trust our feelings or accept things only on outward appearance.Look up Marjoe Gortner – a lot of what went on in his meetings looks scarily similar to the Florida revival meetings… but he was faking it all along.
I’m not judging anyone, maybe Todd’s heart in all this is genuing but he himself is deceived, maybe I am wrong to be so skeptical and God will prove me wrong and show me this IS from Him, but I keep finding scriptures which make me more guarded about all this rather than more open to it.
God bless you all and may our hearts not be content with anything but the TRUTH
I was concerned and disappointed that most of these entries are clearly judgement…when we are specifically told very clearly NOT to judge. Moreover, the scripture in Corinthians which lists the gifts of the spirit states the gift of discernment of spirits… which is so often misread and misunderstood – NOT the Spirit of Discernment. I also have been seeking to understand… and a very wonderful man of God answered my question with a question…. Would Satan heal someone? The Word says that Satan comes to kill, steal, and destroy….. is that not rather contradictory? Again, I too am seeking to understand all of this controversy. I am not new to the Christian faith and am not new to pentecostal, evangelical, or charismatic faiths either. However, without seeming to be to simplistic and too “old school terminology”, my question to all of us is this…. What WOULD Jesus do in this situation? He that loved the unloved, the unworthy, the unjust, the impure? He who would not judge the adulterous woman?
The Word tells us that we don’t think as God thinks… So… again, knowing that God has made us in His own image, the only thing left to do is use our own brains, hearts, and souls to seek each of our own personal relationship with God.
God is our ultimate judge – are we willing to take the chance that we are WRONG and force our beliefs on others?
As I used to teach – I do not ask you to think as I think – JUST THINK.
I think you have a seriously bad attitude. The article is written with attitude and so are your replies to posts. I don’t believe God calls anyone to the ministry of Watchdog to the Body of Christ. You could even learn from the Pharisees! If this is of God, the fruit will continue and if it is not of God it will pass. If there is even the tiniest chance that you are wrong (and I hope you don’t claim to be perfect) then by publishing your criticisms you are running the risk of fighting against God. Not worth taking a chance with that one. Like others, I would like to know what miracles, signs and wonders accompany your ministry. I think your energies would be better spent making disciples and healing the sick rather than criticising the ministry of another, however controversial they may appear.
You are entitle to your opinion. Just because a person has a negative thought or opinion about Todd doesn’t mean that person is judging him. How many saints would pass out and fall badwards if there wasn’t any catchers behind them? The saint passes out because they know a catcher is behind them because the catcher makes physical contact with each saint. My opinion of Todd—He’s a phony just like Benny Hinn.
Matthew 23: 13 “but woe to you scribes and pharisees hypocrites because YOU SHUT OFF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN FROM MEN FOR YOU DO NOT ENTER IN YOURSELVES NOR DO YOU ALLOW THOSE WHO ARE ENTERING TO GO IN.”
Matthew 23:29-36 29″(A)Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! FOR YOU BUILT THE TOMBS OF THE PROPHETS and adorn the monuments of the righteous,
30and say, ‘If we had been living in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partners with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’
31″So you testify against yourselves, that you (B)are sons of those who murdered the prophets.
32″Fill up, then, the measure of the guilt of your fathers.
33″You serpents, (C)you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of (D)hell?
34″(E)Therefore, behold, (F)I AM SENDING YOU PROPHETS and wise men and scribes; some of them you will KILL AND CRUCIFY, and some of them you will (G)scourge in your synagogues, and (H)PERSECUTE from city to city,
35so that upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous (I)Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the (J)son of Berechiah, whom (K)you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36″Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon (L)this generation.
one of the biggest ways to tell if you have a religious spirit is the way you treat the prophets. if you cant stand them, and just struggle with them at all, that is an indicator that you have a religious spirit. i love you enough to tell you the truth.
Xian – I don’t have a problem with prophets, just false ones.
Then you are under just another heresy like Todd Bentley. There are no prophets in our time. Once the Bible was finished, His Word is the only word that is revelation from God today. Deluded heretics you will never learn.
Max: where does it say in the Bible that the gift of prophecy finished, or the ministry of the New Testament prophet finished, at the closing of the canon or end of the first church age, or whatever era you are going to say it finished? There is NOTHING. Rather, there is much to say that prophecy etc continues…but just as there were ALSO false prophets in the Ist century AD there are also false prophets today.
IMO, what I see in this so called revival is where do they say “repent, sin no more?” The spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus (do we see that in this revival?) We are not to add to or take away from the scriptures and are warned about it Rev 22:18,19. Scripture also mentions a falling away first.
Rev 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
I have found you to be the Jezebel in the end, not only following after your own choice of heresies but acting in the position of an Christian authority as a woman which the holy Bible commands against. You are just another heretic like Todd Bentley. I just used your site to expose the damnation of Todd Bentley’s Gospel, but you will be exposed for your heresies as well.
1Cr 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
When the Holy Bible was finished, IT WAS FINISHED and the special miracles at the time of Jesus and the apostles also. Your claims to new revelation from prophets in our time is a lie and just the same kind of heresy that comes from Todd Bentley’s vile heretical gospel.
Keep seeking for new revelations from your prophets, you won’t get any apart from the Bible.
Max
It is all very well calling me a Jezebel, but why not get your scriptures (and facts) right first?
The Corinthians scripture talks about the ‘perfect’ appearing – but the perfect is not yet here in the sense Paul meant it is it?
Furthermore I have not taken away, or added to any of the words of the book of Revelation. Rather I testify to John’s words, not against them. As for any new revelations, you will not find anything in my writings that is super-scriptural, or heresies, so several strike outs, try again.
Furthermore there were both female prophets and apostles, Max.
ps Max, why do you keep posting your comments under different names?
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
The Revelation from God is the HOLY BIBLE alone, and the Bible is FINISHED.
Another example is supernatural speaking in other languages. This was a sign given at the time the Holy Spirit came for the unbelievers who were from other nations to hear the Word of God as given to the apostles for them to take it back to their nations. If such a miracle existed today tens of thousands of Christian men who are missionaries would never need to take decades and their entire life just to learn a language so they could translate the Bible into other languages as the Holy Spirit would give the same miracle to these Missionary men to just walk into these other nations and just open their mouths and out would come the gospel in these other languages just exactly as it was done in ACTS with the unbelievers from other nations hearing the gospel in their languages. NO, NOW we have to learn languages, just like we have to LEARN the Bible, we have to LEARN how to be healthy (there are no such things as those born blind and dead for days to be raised in our times anymore).
Special miracles were for the time of Moses, the Prophets, Jesus and the apostles. The miracle that exists for us today is that we have the FINISHED Work of Christ done for us and we have copies of His words in the HOLY BIBLE for us to learn of His Revelation to mankind.
I don’t expect heretic jezebels like you to heed THE WORD OF GOD. You will fall under the judgement of God for your heresies just like Todd Bentley.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Max
You have not supported your arguments by scripture, and instead insult calling me names. You quote 2 Pe 1:20 but what is your point? It does not indicate in the slightest prophecy is not for today. It just means that scripture is God breathed which nobody here, least of all me, is disagreeing with.
You misquoted I Cor 13:10 and yet when challenged completely ignore it, and pull out other scriptures which do not really say what you want them to say either. If you value truth, Max, then quote what you wish to say in context – otherwise you are no better than Todd Bentley and all the heretics you spit fire at, for you do not love truth either.
I note the way you throw the word ‘Jezebel’ at women, but ignore what is really means and says in context as the man ‘Balaam’ is in the verse before it in Revelation, and so this is not talking about women or even men teaching, but more lying teachings and spirits through false teachers and prophets of BOTH sexes.
If women are to keep silent as you twist and distort, then how do they prophesy or be apostles, as they clearly were even in the first century? It means you distort and do not understand the passages you quote. But I will not go into detail on their meaning here, as I know you do not want to know.
Though the book of Revelation is the last book in the canon, John was not to know this, and also he did not mean what you are implying anyway about adding words. And like I have said, I have not interfered with any of the apostles words, in any of their books. Nor did Philip’s daughters, or other NT prophets, (and even many OT prophets) but they still prophesied – you have a very narrow and unbiblical view of prophecy, if you think a prophet’s sole function is to write scripture! I have never claimed to write any scripture. So what is really your point? And why be a bit deceptive in using multiple names to post your comments (many of which I deleted as spam)?
I am not the one adding to the apostles words, rather you are, Max, by distorting them. Please, for God’s sake love truth, Max.
“I am not the one adding to the apostles words, rather you are Max by distorting them.
Wicked vile heretic of Satan, you will be judged.
Max,
regarding tongues:
I know someone personally who, when on a mission trip to China as a musician, felt led to speak to a a group one evening. The missionaries had an interpreter to intrepret the message. Well, at the moment he was to begin this teaching, bright sunlight came over his Bible. He squinted but still could not see what he intended to speak on; so, he became anxious for a bit. Then words just began to flow out of him.
When he finished, a group of 150 or so (I forget the number right now) came forward to accept Jesus as their saviour. Astonished he looked over at the interpreter who himself was astonished and asked this missionary “Why didn’t you tell me?”
“Tell you what?”
“That you could speak Chinese!”
“I can’t speak Chinese.”
“Well, you just spoke perfect Mandarin Chinese!”
My friend was amazed. He doesn’t remember feeling as though he was speaking anything but English.
The gifts in 1 Cor 12 – 14 are for today; but, they are given “to each one, just as he determines.” [I Cor 12:11 NIV]
To Lee:
Then what was the interpreter translating? Dare to find out?
I am sure your friend learned some basic Mandarin before he went to China didn’t he? And during his sermon spoke a few phrases with a near perfect accent (which anyone can learn how to do after a little practice) and that is what the interpreter was referring to in order to give him a friendly complement like you do to a foreigner when making small talk. Your friend most likely misunderstood his comments and created something in his own mind out of it and he has elaborated it over time.
When trying to compare your life to the apostles if you give into wishful comparisons you can create any kind of wishful stories you want if you only have a few misunderstood comments to base it upon and no group of unbiased witnesses or any actual evidence for others to examine the claims made. Biblical miracles were out in the open and provable by evidence and witnesses sometimes of thousands of people, they were not examples of wishful thinking, slight of hand trickery or mere unverifiable stories alone.
Gifts of other languages was given to the apostles so they could preach in languages of other nations to bring the gospel to them. None of them spoke any of those other languages yet spoke to the unbelievers and many witnesses heard it (the only example recorded with details is in Acts), this was also to fulfill the old testament prophecy of what would come in the last days. The Bible says it is a sign for unbelievers to hear the gospel.
After the Apostles the Bible was finished and we are to learn languages or work with translators in order to bring people of other languages the Bible’s sound doctrines. You can pray for your entire lifetime to get the gift of languages, you still will not get it as 2000 years of Christian history has proven that. I am sure millions have prayed and tried though which you are free to do if you think you are going to be some special exception the Holy Spirit will make. Who knows you may be the only one in 2000 years, it is possible.
But as history and the reality of Christian life is since the apostles, unless you STUDY and learn the language or work with a translator, you will not be able to take the Bible’s teachings into other languages.
Your friend did not perform the Biblical miracle of speaking in other languages, otherwise the entire crowd of people would have only needed your friend to speak, and NOT any translator for him to preach the entire sermon without knowing even one word of Mandarin. I am sure if you actually questioned him more specifically including the witnesses that were there, more details that he left out of the story would begin to emerge, but both you and he want to keep the wishful story alive because it makes you feel blessed and lets you associate your lives more in direct relation to what Jesus and the apostles did, with things like walking on water, moving mountains, teleporting in the spirit, raising the dead, making withered limbs to instantly reform, commanding the maim to get up and instantly walk, miraculously speaking in other languages, etc. etc. and all the other Jesus and the 12 apostle special miracle examples.
Go tell the thousands of self sacrificing Christian men who give their entire lives to translate the Bible and preach in other languages through translators that such special miracles are still available to us today, none of them will be able to give you any evidence of any man of God they know being able to exercise this gift today as was done in the Bible by the apostles. You can spend your entire lifetime looking for examples but all you are going to get is wishful examples like your friend’s one with no group of witnesses or list of evidences that verify the claims beyond wishful thinking and mishearing or misunderstanding someone’s off the cuff comments.
This is the same for the Biblical types of healing miracles. Benny Hinn, Todd Bentley, etc. etc. all claim to have performed Biblical level healing miracles such as witnessing people healed who were born blind, raising the dead, limbs reforming instantly, etc. yet when anyone had the guts to question the “stories/claims” and actually did serious research, they have always found mere wishful bits of stories a few people put together over time without any true basis in reality/fact. The only stories a handful few doctors out of millions of stories are willing to say “perhaps” to, are internal or pain related, or other examples where other regular people have healed over time from anyways and it does not prove a true miracle occurred. Some people have naturally overcome cancer even over time through various therapy and are not even Christians. Something over time appearing “better” then before is not a BIBLICAL example of a miracle such as done by Jesus or the apostles.
Since the time of the apostles, no one on earth has ever produced evidence of instantaneous withered limbs being restored, people being raised from the dead after days, those born blind being made to see instantly, etc. like were done in the Biblical examples by Jesus and the apostles. If these gifts are for today’s Christians then you would see these actual examples today with evidence to verify them, you would not just hear wishful elaborated stories which in the end is what all these false miracles are created from, people wishing God would do something, then feeling nice for a moment, then telling someone they feel something. This is not what a Biblical miracle is. That is why for 2000 years since the first believers started doing charity work we still have Christian orphanages and outreaches for the TRULY damaged people like the Blind, Deaf, Maimed, and those who no medical miracle has been found yet for. Even in the end of Paul’s ministry it is recorded that he left someone sick, that he obviously could not heal. Such special miracles faded after the apostles. There are no more apostles today either.
Those Christians in the most pain and suffering never seem to “get instantly healed” like those with the back aches and the stomach cramps at all these crusades, ever notice that. I guess God supposedly decided that the people with cramps and back aches (varying unprovable examples or examples in which endorphins, loud trance music and hype can temporarily cover up) are more worthy of His favor, or they have more faith then the really and truly blind, maimed, or in other words those Christians who never are truly healed in our time no matter how many prayers and laying on of hands they get. History shows this as well minus the exceptions of medical related therapies and such.
Today God has blessed us to be given medical knowledge and allows us to learn healing methods through medicine, nutrition, therapy, technology and learn of the natural healing processes in the Body that have always been a part of us that God created in us from the beginning. People gain their health back over time of various minor health problems which prayer can play a part for certain things, but Biblical level instantaneous miracles like the ones mentioned in the Bible (raising the dead, reforming limbs, truly born blind to see, etc. types of things) have no evidence in our time beyond wishful thinking no matter how much we pray for the person.
God can do anything He wants to do, but this is still the world of sin and God has decided not to change this world of sin until the new heavens and new earth after the day of judgement. All of us will die in the body of sin we live in, prayers and faith will not save us from death.
Pray for people’s health yes, but 2000 years of Christian history proves that God will only heal certain things instantly which are part of the bodies natural endorphins and healing process, otherwise one should study medical, nutrition and therapy alternatives for the person to find healing. Face reality and use what God has given mankind to use today, don’t tell people like Todd Bentley does to throw away their wheelchairs, glasses, etc. or you are tempting God and have no idea what the reality of this sinful world is. You cannot induce God or His power, He is not our little genie spirit who serves our every whim and command.
Wishful *stories/claims* of instantaneous Biblical types of healing exist everywhere today in all religious cultures and even in our culture exhibited in books like “Ripley’s believe it or not”. Such stories are different then what happened in reality though, but in all of these stories it is always convenient that there is no witnesses or evidence to back up the claims through any type of legit verification process. The only ones with any claimed “proof” are vague to begin with and are nowhere near the types of examples as were done in the Bible.
Max,
believe it or not…. I was with an Elder’s wife from our ministry at a Todd Bentley meeting in Kansas City. I had never been to a meeting of his before. She had an enlarged kidney that was causing her pain and health problems. To start the meeting Todd called this very condition out accurately and she “ran” forward. (she was in her late 60’s at the time. Her and her husband were missionary’s in Indonesia for years. He was a bush pilot and they have had to rely on God many times. I have never seen her run like that) Todd simply pointed at her and said Bam! or something similar. She feel under the power of God and was completely healed. She is not given to emotional outbursts or mania. THat was in 2003. She has been healed to this day…
I have personally seen miracles of various kinds in my own ministry. I prayed for my nice 2 years ago who has had a fairly severe case of scoliosis since birth. Nothign seemed to happen until one minute late when she began to cry and her back felt on fire and suddnely her spine straightened. We were all in shock but her mother (my siter) was with her and verified that her spine was straight. Needless to say they kept checking with joy the rest of the night.
Since the revival in Flordia in which our senior leader at our ministry went to and “imparted”, i have prayed for a lady that had a “sharp point” on her skull and and increasing flat spot beside the sharp point. It was increasingly getting worse like something was growing underneath it. She was very worried and was soon going to have to check it out. After prayer later that day when she checked it both the point and flat spot were suddenly gone… In all these cases everything was verified and genuine. Everyone glorified God for His goodness….
Wow, Max…
you are WAY out of line.
Absolutely incredible.
Be thankful she even approved you comments to be posted here.
I wouldn’t be so kind, encountering one like yourself.
Max,
My friend knew absolutely no Chinese whatsoever. Still doesn’t. That was the whole point of the interpreter who had been translating quite a bit up to this point — until that afternoon. My friend did not realize the interpreter was not translating during his teaching.
Max, you know nothing of the Azusa Street Revival or Aimee S. McPherson. Show yourself approved. The gifts are for today. That is the problem with Todd Bentley — people like you who claim to be a Christian but do not understand the truth of the charismatic movement.
If you DID, you would understand why Todd Bentley and William Branham tried to add a false leg of false doctrine to what happened when the gifts fell at the beginning of the 20th century.
Show yourself approved. The way that the previous blogger wrote about speaking in tongues is EXACTLY how tongues fell at Pentecost. THIS IS THAT that the Prophet Joel spoke of. But the Prophet Joel and Peter did NOT speak of the false “Latter Rain” movement of Todd Bentley and Bob Jones et all.
Dumping on the charismatic gifts of the Holy Spirit is a tired game and easily disproved by a true reading of the Bible, though teachers like John McCarthur try very hard to cut out large chunks of the New Testament.
You disqualify yourself to discern what really is up with Todd Bentley and his fellow Elijah Listers, especially Rick Joyner and Paul Cain and Bob Jones and C Peter Wagner unless you understand how they are misusing, abusing and teaching apostasy with false signs and wonders.
Go get born again again. Come back when you either speak in tongues or have a vision or prophesy — just as happened when Paul laid hands on John the Baptist’s disciple. The guy was immediately filled with the Spirit and began to prophesy.
And then study the last hundred years of the Pentecostal movement. Then you’ll get it about Todd Bentley, his angel “friends” and this END TIME APOSTASY.
You’d better. Don’t forget if we cannot properly discern false prophecy now, how will we discern the Antichrist when he is heralded in by his False Prophet as is described in the Word?
Todd Bentley may or may not be false, but one thing is for sure. God is moving in the places he preaches. People are being saved, and healed. Don’t forget that God can use something meant for evil, and turn it around and use it for good. Moreover, as for the author of this blog, and who has responded to many people, I’ll tell you one thing: solely from reading everything you’ve said to other people, you do nothing but attack other people’s opinions, and defend your own. You call people closed-minded, yet you refuse to consider the fact that you can actually be wrong. It is obvious from the way you speak that you believe yourself to be close to God, but if you were half as close as you think you are, you wouldn’t be shooting down everyone who posts a comment that disagrees with what you think. Don’t you realize that? That’s all I have to say.
There is NO man of God that is going to get up on a stage and say, “BAM!!!” while hitting someone’s forehead on the same time to be healed!! It is a FAKE!! DO NOT follow this guy! He will lead you the opposite way you need to be going to live eternity with the One and Only, Jesus Christ. And if he was real, then he would have enough respect to take them stupid earrings out!!! You are suppose to treat your body as a Temple! Women and piercings…fine. Men and piercings…gay!!! Bottom line! If he was sincere, he should at least take them earring out. Men should NOT have earrings! I don’t believe this man is true for nothing! I do believe there are some people that are gifted with the healing. BUT…they are NOT going to be up on a stage publicized doing it!!!! That is wrong! God would never give anyone that talent if they were going to flaunt it around like that. PLEASE do not follow this phony! God Bless!
The Florida Healing Revival: Heaven or Hype?
On returning from a teaching trip to the Philippians.
We were keen to emphasise the supremacy of Jesus, the completeness of the Gospel of Grace and the need for the Church to be obedient to whatever Jesus, the Head, commanded. There was a tremendous response from those attending the daily sessions and there was a real desire among the churches represented to bring the Gospel of Jesus to the rest of society.
We returned, full of enthusiasm, determined also to see our own home church become more overtly evangelistic, proclaiming the Gospel in a direct and accessible way. Our church, has been heavily involved in community outreach through service, in championing social justice issues and in partnering with churches, schools, orphanages and hospitals in Ghana, Uganda, India and Brazil. We now wanted to ‘sharpen’ our proclamation of the Gospel, introducing, among other things, a weekly ‘Church in the Café’ on Thursday evenings.
Just as the first of these was about to begin we became aware of a growing interest in the God Channel’s coverage of ‘The Great Florida Healing Revival’. Mildly interested, we watched one of the services and over the past few weeks we have watched about a dozen more. We have seen services attended by a few hundred people become events filling small stadiums, with hundreds of Christians, including pastors and ministers flying in from all over the world. Many thousands have been following the meetings on the God Channel and on the internet. As one of them, what have I seen?
Firstly, I have been struck by some really excellent worship-leading. It has been consistently focused on Jesus and on God’s glory, it has not lapsed into ‘me’ sentimentality and, at times, I have found myself being truly captivated by thoughts of Jesus as I have listened to the words and music of the songs.
Secondly, there’s Todd Bentley! I accept that different personalities and styles appeal to different people, but I must confess that I have not found what I have seen and heard, naturally attractive. I don’t like to say it but my first reaction was that I found his style bombastic, his oratory alarmingly self-focused and his mannerisms more than vaguely annoying. More worryingly, his theology comes across as an ill-defined mixture of the Bible (though with little evidence of an understanding of hermeneutics), popular ‘spiritual warfare’ speculation and personal ‘revelation’. His presentation of the theology of the Gospel is unclear, his spirituality involves a highly developed but also highly speculative and questionable angelology that tends to detract from the centrality of Jesus and his emphasis on ‘the anointing’ and on ‘the Glory’ depersonalises the presence of God. (Latterly, however, this last point has been addressed as he has begun to stress regularly, that ‘Jesus’ is ‘the Glory’.) It is also true that he has promoted the ‘revival’ by encouraging those watching on the internet and on TV to get on the next available flight so that they can experience the ‘revival’ and bring it home with them to their churches and communities.
With the appearance of a number of established figures from the ‘renewal/revival’ movement such as Steve Hill, Che Ann and Bobby Connor, there has been evidence of Todd Bentley placing more overt emphasis on Jesus and the Grace of the Gospel rather than on ‘the revival’. To his credit, he has also talked less about himself and his role in ‘the revival’. Controversially he invited Paul Cain to speak at one of the stadium meetings. Paul Cain has been a controversial figure in Charismatic/Pentecostal circles for decades and recently had been ‘under discipline’ for alleged ‘moral lapses’. What is also true is that Cain has had a long track record in proclaiming very accurate ‘Words of Knowledge’, especially in the context of healing meetings (I have personal experience of this). It is also important to point out that Bentley’s decision to invite Cain, ought not to be criticised on the grounds of Cain’s past failings; Grace does include the concept of restoration!
Overall, what I have outlined so far, apart from the worship, would not cause me to give the programmes more than a cursory glance. What I have outlined so far, however, is not the full story.
There is no doubt in my mind that Todd Bentley wants to see people saved and that he wants them to experience God’s healing power and presence in their lives. His theology of the Gospel may be ‘sketchy’ but his proclamation of Jesus as Lord and Saviour is clear and clearly presented. People are given an opportunity to respond to Jesus as Lord and Saviour at every meeting that I have watched and many hundreds of people do so. Of course, it may be objected that the ‘Jesus’ that Bentley proclaims is not the Jesus of the Scriptures but I think that it is difficult to sustain this claim. People listening to him, recognise Jesus as the real historical person of Jesus of Nazareth who died on the cross for their sins and who must be confessed as Lord. Certainly those who are responding to the offer to come to Jesus have as much understanding as the dying thief on the cross and, more pertinently, the same faith in the same person. To try to argue that Bentley is proclaiming a ‘false Jesus’ would require him to be denying that Jesus is Lord and Saviour in his preaching. Whatever other short-comings there may be in his preaching, this is not one of them.
There can also be little doubt that some genuine healings have been taking place. Even when the hype, the wishful thinking and the spurious have been dismissed there are convincing accounts of real, confirmed physical healings. It is true that the evidence for many of these have come from personal testimonies though some of these have been backed by church leaders affirming that members of their congregations have been healed. There have also been assertions that doctors have confirmed some healings but, of course, I have no way of checking this out. There have also been ‘instant’ healings captured by the TV cameras and, again, while there is no way of checking that these are not ‘set up’, the emotional sincerity of the individuals and the surprise and joy evident on their faces would require a cohort of well-trained actors to falsify. In short, the same sort of evidence is presented as was presented in the Gospels and in the Acts of the Apostles: people claimed that they were ill, they were brought directly or through prayer to Jesus and they and onlookers claimed that they were healed. In truth, it is difficult to believe that the meetings would ever have attracted the crowds that they have if there were no healings to substantiate the claims that this is a ‘healing revival’. Wishful thinking can only go so far.
It is equally clear that Bentley and others with him have faith to believe that Jesus both saves and heals and that they are prepared to act on their faith with a degree of boldness and enthusiasm that is not generally evident in the Church. Regardless of whether or not Bentley presents an attractive figure, he does display faith as he prays for people to be healed and it is clear that his faith is in Jesus, the healer. I acknowledge that I find the ways in which he sometimes pushes people and shouts ‘Bam!’ irritating, unnecessary and theatrical but I don’t find that they compromise the reality of his faith in Jesus. Bentley may be dismissed as a ‘fool’ by some but ‘holy fools’ have been an important ingredient in the Church throughout its history. Maybe seeing one close up isn’t quite what we imagined him to be, but then again, figures like Francis of Assisi and Smith Wigglesworth were also far from ‘normal’. (Francis was given to preaching the Gospel to animals and Wigglesworth used to thump those he was praying for at the site of their illness!)
So what have I found in the Florida Healing Revival? Negatively, some very poor theology, an unappealing level of hype and self-promotion and an individual whose public persona I have difficulty in relating to, (I say this because the private Todd Bentley may, for all I know, be quite different from the one that I have seen on TV and he and I could get on like a house on fire).
The emphasis on the role of angels is particularly worrying since the Apostle Paul specifically warns us against getting caught up in such thinking, ‘Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.’ (Colossians 2: 18, 19) This is a stark warning for all of us not to take our eyes and focus off Jesus, who alone is the One that we follow and who alone is Lord, Saviour and Healer. Even if Todd Bentley’s theory of angelic activity is right (which I doubt), there is no reason whatever for him or for us to be interested in and intrigued by angels. Such an avenue leads to experience-seeking rather than Jesus-seeking; to foolish and misguided activity rather than to obedience to Jesus, the Head of the Body. Angels are messengers from God and it is His business how they go about their work; our calling is to focus totally on the Lord, not on His servants. As we look for salvation and healing for those, as yet, outside the Kingdom of God, we look only to Jesus. This cannot be said often enough or loudly enough!
On the positive side, I have also seen a coming together of three things: the Grace of God, a response of faith and human hunger. I believe that Bentley and others have responded in faith to Jesus the Saviour, Lord and Healer and that, in faith, they have proclaimed Him to an audience hungry for this reality. The result has been messy, it has been immature and it has been wrapped up in some bizarre packaging. Much of the Church, however, is in a mess, immaturity takes many forms and there are many bizarre rites and rituals that Christians adopt that appear ‘normal’ just because we are used to them. The results, however, of the recent events in Florida have also been of people being saved and healed and of many Christians waking from slumber.
I say this because I have seen Christians in our own Church sparking into new life as they have been challenged by the message to proclaim Jesus as Lord and Saviour and to believe that He is still the Healer today. I have also seen people returning to discipleship who had wandered away and I have seen people confess Jesus as Lord. There might be a lot of bathwater around but there is a baby that we ought not to throw out! All that is good about the events in Florida comes totally from God; all that is bad comes from human sin and weakness. So it is, throughout the Church; it can never be any other way.
One more thing…..we have started the Church in the Café on Thursday evenings which has meant that we simply do in a café, what we do in church. We worship, we teach and we pray for one another. One difference is that we can be seen clearly from the street as the café has very large windows on two sides. As you might imagine, some people have watched us from a distance and last week one man came into the café during the day. He spoke to two people who had been worshipping the previous evening. He had a question for them. He had first of all thought that a party was in progress but as he watched he realised that the hand-raising and movements were not dancing but some expression of worship. His question: What was it, that he saw all over the room descending from the ceiling and touching peoples’ heads as they sang and prayed? What indeed?…….
Whether Bentley is a man of God or whether he is a false prophet, keep in mind that discernment is one of the gifts of the spirit, so it (discernment) must be necessary. This gift was given to the Church by the Holy Spirit. Discernment is not the same as judging or name calling, etc. Because Satan is a liar, we need to all pull discernment out of our holster at all times. I think it is the wise Christian who will do this. Scripture says that even the ELECT will be deceived by false prophets. The Bible said they would perform signs and wonders. It doesn’t say the signs and wonders would be false. It said the false prophets would successfully perform them in order to deceive. Even if Bentley is the real deal, hey, discern, pray ask the Lord to show you. This is commanded all through scripture: Test ALL spirits–Not all spirits are of God. How clear is that? If he is the real deal, just think. you practiced using discernment. You prayed for discernment, you are a discerning Christian. Don’t argue anymore okay? I discern that is what Satan wants. A house divided against itself cannot stand.
I’ve taken the time to do quite a bit of research about Todd Bentley and his ministry. I watched a lot of clips of his services on youtube and finally got to watch a full service through the Internet last week. Up until then, I would only catch the tail end of the meeting when everyone was coming up to testify. That’s what got me started in my research of him. I won’t say that he’s a false prophet or that’s he’s the real deal. However, there are some things about his services that cause red flags to come up. In all of the clips and the service I saw where he shares God’s Word from the Word itself. I never once saw him open a bible and read from it. There is NEVER a call to repentance and holiness. How are people to know that they need saving if they aren’t shown that they are a sinner in need of a savior? They are given a great feeling and all run to the altar to “get saved”, but what happens when the great feelings and emotions go away? They aren’t given any sort of foundation to lay their faith on. Right now our church leadership is taking a middle ground and praying about the whole movement. I think this a very wise move for all. With everything I’ve read, I’m close to coming away from the middle ground and declaring him to be false. However, I don’t want to be wrong if this is in fact a move of God. I would appeal to everyone who is commenting to not let your emotions get the better of you. PRAY and SEEK God about all of this. Don’t be deceived one way or the other. Give God a chance to show himself. Proceed with all caution. Keep testing the spirit. Let God make the declaration.
And to Crystal about his looks. Don’t get caught up in religion. God can and does use people with body piercings and tatoos. Remember that man looks at the outward appearance but God looks at the HEART. Don’t make the mistake of judging someone because of their looks. My husband loves it when people start in on tatoos. His favorite way to come back against it is to say that Jesus himself has a tatoo. Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and ON HIS THIGH a name written, King of Kings and Lord of Lords. As for body piercings, there are a lot of places in the bible that talk about nose rings. Isaiah 3:21 is a quick example, but there are others. Look it up. Research it. God Bless!!
Somebody emailed me privately and said: ‘Had Bentley been wearing a $5,000 suit, and no tattoos, he would have been accepted.’ This is absolutely not true. Todd Bentley is a false prophet and false teacher because of the words that come out of his mouth. In this video clip above I do not see tattoos, although I do see cold reading, and it is this that I criticise, not his looks.
His appearance alters nothing in this regard – although I have to say there is some inverted snobbery going on so people focus on his appearance and not his teaching as a basis for deflecting the criticism.
For a supposed Christian website you spread alot of untruths and I detect hatered towards Todd Bentley…a true man of God..jealously and evy are sins…and your full of both…but bless you.
Julie -
Where are the untruths – please be specific?
I can annotate what I say with Bentley’s own words so I am not lying – and Todd is proved by scripture and other facts to be spreading untruths and lies.
So how come then I am not Christian (by your implication) for spreading untruths (an accusation not proven by you or scripture), but Todd Bentley is a man of God? (when it is proven he lies?)
Just looking at the signs and wonders, and ignoring everything else, hey?
I havent seen any of the meetings etc. i just been reading up & watching youtube videos.
begining of April I heard about this. My first response was “this is wierd, what is going on!” I forgot about it till lately when my mum started to research it.
firstly, the tattoo on his arm, the Japanese Kanji. the symbol in the middle, no1 knows what it means right? Mum is getting it interpreted. She asked someone about it & their first expression was shock, distress. they didnt understand why you would tattoo this. the ‘fire’ around it really distressed them. they said the kanji in the middle is a very ancient symbol & they are going to research it but the other 2 symbols refer to God of earth/Tao’s or something like that. Will comment again when i know exactly what it means.
anyway.
someone mentioned about accusation & that people here are accusing him.
accusation & conviction look very similar. But conviction allows for change, accusation makes you sink deeper into the pit you dig yourself. conviction makes you want to change, accusation says you cant change.
Reminder:
in the bible it says to speak the truth in love. if the truth is that someone is a false prophet, speak it! but do so in love. If i have not love.. say what you must, but do so in love. 1 my ‘policies’ i have made for myself is never to respond when I am angry – it comprises your witness, you dont think clearly & you say stupid things. People should be drawn to our love for each other despite our disagreements.
just a few notes/questions.
what type of Christianity are people being saved into? are they repenting, really repenting of sin? or is there a message of “jesus wants to be your friend, welcome him into your heart if you need ….” the gospel message is Gods love, yes, our need for him in life, yes, but soooo much bigger than just that! Jesus came to save us from sin & hell, so we can be forever with him in heaven! This is the thing I hate most. half gospel. are we so desperate for numbers that we reduce salvation to being a “quick fix for life”!. it is so much more!
Is the focus here, from christians, on what God can give me or glorifing, giving back to God. Our motivation can be so wrong sometimes. God had given us EVERYTHING! he DIED for us! & we hav the gall to demand more of Him? he will bless us but that shouldn’t be our motivation for loving him- to get more more more from him!
the numbers of people that accept christ, how many will return to their old life the nest day? or the next month? soo many do! not just in this event but in many events like this.
Im sick of conferences, rallies, ‘revivals’ that produce nothing more than a few signs 9or many sign) & a lot of back-slidden Christians. I have lived it for most of my Christian life & i want more, deeper. This doesn’t appeal to me. I need to dive deeper into God, not events like this.
to quote a phrase from a book by Ted Dekker (fiction writer) “who said a healed hand is more dramatic than a healed heart anyway”
I havent made my mind up on him, but i dont like what i have seen so far.
just a quick note on what someone said about God not doing things like they happened in teh bible.
God is the same, yesterday, today, forever. jesus promised we would do greater things than he. God heals today like he did then. i know people who have seen limbs grow, God has healed me. He still works today.
Do you still go to God to seek His face on behalf of people?
Well, I watched some it over a few nights. One thing I thought wass odd was when a woman in a wheelchair responded to a Word of Knowledge; she wanted to go up to speak to Todd. But, when Todd was told she hadn’t been healed, he didn’t want to know, but, ‘only those who have been healed’ he wanted up on stage.
Strange. Just thought it odd he didn’t want to speak with her.
Would Jesus have turned her away? No.
to t-ski
she’s shooting certain comments down (easily i might add) precisely because their arguments are full of holes. and i for one am glad, it is providing an invaluable service to me and anyone else reading who is looking for scripture and sound doctrine regarding this matter.
Can you not see the fruit thousands being healed and many more thousands being saved. Judge a tree by it’s fruit.
15″Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Matthew 7:15-20
People getting healed and saved seems to me that that is good fruit, Jesus said a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Thank you so much for maintaining this coverage. Very helpful.
But Nelly – you say judge a tree by its fruit and that is exactly what I do – the tree falsely prophesies and this fact alone proves Todd is a false prophet! So why will you not judge the tree and its fruit?
I recently had to travel on business to Florida and based on a tip from a close Sister in the Lord I took my wife and attended Monday evening services at the Lakeland Center. We started whorship before 7 and left at midnight. I have been a spirit filled believer since conversion, 25 years ago and regret not checking this movement out before attending. I did not know who this man was and still don’t for that matter. But can report that all born again believers should stay clear of this movement and concentrate on glorifing God as He directs you. This movement is NOT! about the “great comission”. This movement brings glory to man’s gifts and abilities. Jesus came to glorify God the Father. The Holy Spirit was sent to glorify Jesus, not man. Why don’t we ever see these guys on the five oclock news walking down the aisles in a childrens hospital instead of on there stage. I flipped Him a $20 but only to cover the lights and the plumbing I used. I’m still ashamed I went.
Statement of faith taken from Fresh Fire Ministries website.
Statement of Faith We believe there is one living and true God who has revealed Himself in three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, infinitely perfect and eternal in existence and equal in glory, majesty and power (Matt 28:19; Luke 3:21 -22)
We Believe in…
1. THE WORD OF GOD
We believe the Bible, both Old and New Testaments, is fully inspired by the Holy Spirit and without error, unified in their redemptive purpose, yielding a complete revelation of God’s will for the salvation of mankind. We hold the Bible to be trustworthy, the only supreme authority in all matters of faith and conduct. Scripture is our source of revelation of God, the knowledge of salvation, the origin of all things and of the hereafter-it is the final Court of Appeal on all points of doctrine, life and godliness. (2 Tim 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20-21; Hebrews 4:12)
2. THE PERSON OF GOD
We believe there is one living and true God who has revealed Himself in three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit, infinitely perfect and eternal in existence and equal in glory, majesty and power (Matt 28:19; Luke 3:21 -22):
a) God the Father is the Creator of all things and the Author of eternal redemption. (Matt 6:9)
b) The Lord Jesus Christ was manifest in the flesh as the very Son of God-fully God and fully man, Creator of all things with the Father, and the appointed Judge of all men (John 1:14 ,18; Col 1:13-20; Acts 17:31; Heb 1:1-4).
Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the virgin Mary, lived a sinless life, died on the Cross for our sins, was buried, resurrected bodily on the third day according to the Scriptures and appeared to his disciples (1Cor 15:1-8). He ascended to the Father, where He continues His High-Priestly ministry. He will personally and physically return for a glorious Church and execute judgment upon the wicked. (1Thess 4:16 -18)
c) The Holy Spirit is The Comforter, the Promise of The Father (Acts 1:4), the Revealer of Christ and His work on the Cross, the Empowerer and the Distributor of gifts and graces upon the Church.
3. HUMANITY’s FALLEN NATURE AND NEED OF THE SAVIOUR
We believe the human race was originally created by God, in His image, to have dominion over His creation (Gen 1:27 ). However, with The Fall of humanity, sin entered through disobedience and rebellion. Humanity became separated from God and totally incapable of saving itself (Rom 5:12 ). All of mankind needs to turn from sin and trust personally in the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ, to receive redemption. (Rom 3:23 )
4. SALVATION ONLY THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST
We believe the power of sin and death was broken when Jesus bore our sin at the Cross and rose again, providing the only way of salvation for the whole person: spirit, soul and body. (Heb 4:12 ; 1Thess 5:23 )
Mankind can only be saved by grace through repentance and faith in Christ’s perfect and sufficient work of the Cross. We receive remission of sins by Christ’s substitutionary sacrifice for us, redemption through faith in His shed blood and regeneration by the Holy Spirit’s power. (John 3:5)
5. EMPOWERMENT OF CHRIST’s PRESENCE
We believe the Lord’s Presence, Peace and Power are manifest in His Body in various ways, which are not, however, to be regarded as a means of salvation. We regard:
a) The Lord’s Supper as a means of fellowship of the spiritual body of Christ, and as a way of partaking of the spiritual benefits bequeathed to New Covenant believers.(1Cor 11:17-34)
b) Water baptism, by immersion, as the obedient response to the Lord’s command (Acts 2:38 ; Matt 28:19-20) and a visible representation of our death, burial and resurrection with Christ.
c) The baptism of the Holy Spirit as a valid and important experience for believers today. The Holy Spirit was poured out at Pentecost and is present for all believers today, often subsequent to the new birth and evidenced by speaking with other tongues (Acts 2:1-4;10:44-46; 19:1-6) and empowerment to witness (Acts 1:8). This baptism is also accompanied by grace gifts and fruit of the Spirit (Rom 5:5, 1 Cor 12:5-11; Gal 5:22 -23).
6. THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH
We believe the Church is the Body of Christ ( 1 Cor 12:12 -14; Eph 1:22 -23) , His Bride (Eph 5:25 ) and Temple of the Holy Spirit (1Cor 3:16 ), the expression of the present rule and reign of Christ’s Kingdom of God on earth. Christians are members of the universal, mystical, body by faith-they are a holy priesthood of believers. Believers need to live out their commitment to Christ in love, unity and community with other body members in the local church-this is the practical expression of Christian faith in action. Christ gifted His Church with unity and a five-fold ministry of apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers for maturing, ordering, equipping, and releasing the whole body to do the works of service that reveal His glory. (Eph 4:11-16)
7. DIVINE HEALING
We believe divine healing is within Christ’s work of atonement (1 Pet 2:24 ) and great gift of salvation. Healing, communicated by God’s grace, gifts, laying on of hands, anointing with oil, and simple faith alone, minister healing for the whole person (emotional, mental, physical) and deliverance from oppression by the devil (Acts 10:38; Mk 16:17-18;
Jas 5:14-16). The gospel is not only in word, but in power and “these signs will follow those who believe.”
8. THE LAYING ON OF HANDS
We believe that the laying on of hands, as practiced in the New Testament, is an operation of the ministry of the Holy Spirit for:
- healing the sick
- baptism of the Holy Spirit
- receiving spiritual gifts
- dedicating children
- ordaining ministries
- and sending out ministries (Acts 13:3)
9. THE CHRIST-LIKE ABUNDANT LIFE
We believe all Christians are called into a life of separation from sinful practices and they should take every opportunity to promote righteousness and godliness (James 4:4; Romans 12:1-2, 13:1-10; 2Cor 6:14 -18; 1 John 2:15 -17). Holiness is the release of Christ within each and every believer, changing us into His image, from glory to glory. (2Cor 3:18 )
10. EVANGELISM
We believe the mandate and privilege of every Christian is to spread the Gospel to the lost world by making disciples of all nations, baptizing and teaching them to obey everything He commands (Matt 28:18-20). This lifestyle of evangelism is accomplished through prayer, living out our faith, preaching the Word and sacrificial giving. (Acts 1:8; Luke 10:2; Matt 10:7-8; 1Cor 9:19 -23)
11. THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST
We believe the Ascension and Exaltation of the Lord Jesus Christ to the throne of the Father proclaims His present rule and reign over the universe. His Kingdom is revealed here on earth through His Body, the Church, resulting in a glorious Church and global harvest at the end of this age. He will be finally revealed through His personal, physical, and soon return and the events described in the following scriptures, including the resurrection of the dead (the just to everlasting life and unjust to eternal separation from God (Acts 1:11 ; 1Thess 4:16 -17; Titus 2:12 -14; 2Thess 1:7-10).
12. FURTHER REVELATION
We recognize that God is continually restoring truth and light to His Church. Therefore, we place no limit on further revelation; however, each must be substantiated according to the Scriptures.
To make a few comments:
First of all. When ANYONE starts to begin to operate in their spiritual gift it should be known that they will make mistakes. I think that many of us fear operating in a word of knowledge because we fear being wrong rather than learning from our mistakes and letting the Holy Spirit teach us and lead us into all truth. Grace is part of the equation that seems to be missing in many of these posts against Todd’s ministry.
There is a specific story in the scriptures in which Jesus was called demon possessed. How rediculous to think that Todd’s “false ministry” would be dubbed deception to “real believers and Christ followers” if he is preaching Jesus Christ, the repentance of sins, healing in Jesus name, Casting out demons, etc…
The case for which Paul said to judge those inside the church was concerning a man in blatent sin, not a man who is powerfully displaying the fruit of the Kingdom.
Test the spirits, yes, and ask the Lord for discernment, DEFINITELY… but you better have some real evidence for claiming mass deception and false testimony against a child of God who from everything I have seen in person and on T.V. is a follower of Christ, and a preacher of the Gospel with an annointing on His life to be used mightily by God. My spirit has testified to this.
Know the truth and the truth will set you free. DO NOT JUDGE, this is GODS JOB
Let me start off by saying I have not read every post here, and forgive me if I offend any of you. But if I were a non believer and stumbled upon this blog and read some of these posts, then I would be completely turned off by your so called God and your so called Christianity. Because most of what I did read were attacks on each other for their beliefs. I thought that we were suppose to love one another and build one another up, not chastise them for their beliefs. Iron sharpens iron, but here I’m afraid the sword is cutting deep.
Churches need to fast for people’s eyes to be opened!
I watched on internate and listerned to testimonies of the extremly excited christians in “florida revival” who are accepring what is going on without testing the spirit.
If you can fast, please do it, lets hold hands and pray asking the Lord to open the eyes of people attending Florida revival to perceive the deception.
If you know someone there or you have gone there yourself, this is how the bible tells us in John to test the spirit:
Ask which master do they serve?
If they confess Jesus, that is not enough! they must confess that Jesus who died for our sins and rose again, and now seated in the right hand of the Father. ( there is no demon spirit which can dare confess that Jesus rose from the dead. Do not accept any angle that seems like is coming from God ( please whoever can get near to the german man fron England who saw an angel should help him. There is a big possiblity that this was not an angel from the Lord for the bible says even satan himself can transform himself to look like an angel of ligh. The step this man missed is just following the so seemingly an angel without usimg scriptures to test if this was truly an angel from the Lord or satan.
I am shaken at the amount of deception that christians are taking in because of lack of knowledge.
AGAIN I REQUEST ANY CHRISTIAN WHO IS UNDERSTANDING WHAT I AM SAYING TO FAST JOIN HANDS WITH OTHERS AND PRAY FOR PEOPLE’S EYES TO BE OPENED and for our merciful God to help them perceive the deception.
Every man works out his own salvation with fear and trembling.
Apart from GOD, man can do nothing. But through GOD ALL things are possible. dont put any limits on the things of GOD. We have access to them because we are His, sons and daughters.
If you really want to know the truth, the Bible says, “Call unto me and I will answer you and show you unsearchable things that you do not know.”
All of this grieves GOD, God does not want his kingdom on earth to be divided, but he calls us to unity. We are the body of Christ. IF we keep on biting and devouring one another we will destroy ourselves.
Wow. This site does make me wonder. Well, all I can say I am probably not as learned as you all are in the bible. I will say one thing and make it very clear. I am as free from sin, and closer than I have ever been to my Lord Jesus and his Father today than before I went to a couple of the revival meetings. I am leading people to Jesus “not Satan” these days. Guess what, I even healed someone in Jesus name! That is what is so suprising to me. Well the house must be divided for Satan, because many are now going to Heaven as long as I am alive and kicking!
A house divided against itself will not stand. All God’s people need to stop biting and devouring one another or you will destroy each other.
Not only that, but we will be accountable for every word that comes out of our mouths. We also will be judged, in the same manner we judge another. God said, the greatest of these is love. We are to love one another, not tear the other apart.
This,,,, that is going on here,, is a battle, that needs to be given over to GOD, not to other people. Take the battle to GOD first!!! The bible says, the battle is HIS. We don’t war against flesh and blood, no, we war against evil powers of the unseen world.
This is ridiculous,
“If GOD be for us, who can be against us.”
This is the scripture refers to the house of satan divided would not stand. I doubt Gods house divided will have any major problems. It’s just sheep and goats. Look how this applies to this very blog. Here it is.
Trust me, I have no problems with sites like this because the same thing happened to Jesus in this sripture. He even spit in mud and healed an eye for someone, which is very out of the ordinary wouldn’t you say.
God bless.
Jesus and Beelzebub
22Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebub,[d] the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”
25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
(Right here) 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29″Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.
30 “He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
33″Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
35T he good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 36But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 37For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
In 1973, having recently heard the Gospel and obeyed Jesus’ call to follow Him, I found myself in a situation in London, where people were preaching something a little different to the Gospel I had heard and the Spirit I had received (II Cor. 11:4).
I was concerned not so much in the things that were being said but the “spirit” of them. I was just a babe in Christ, not even weaned then. So I wrote to a brother back in Cardiff, South Wales, explaining my concerns.
His reply was simply and Scriptural. “Alex, there is an anointing within that teaches us all things…”
That was probably the best advice I have ever received from another brother in the Lord.
Discernment, discernment, discernment!
Read the Scripture I John 2:18-29 (KJV please).
Without the Spirit of truth in us (the anointing, the true Christ) we WILL be deceived – it’s guaranteed – for these last day’s deceptions will be so powerful that “if possible” even the very elect will be deceived. My advice to all (if I may give it) is to ensure they are really and truly born-again according to the teaching of Holy Scripture, the Lord Jesus Christ and His Apostles (i.e. Paul, Peter, James, John, et. al.), and having been born from above by the Spirit of God, to ensure that they ABIDE IN HIM, where the “wicked one touches us not.” Amen, and amen.
I came across this looking for info on todd bently, after hearing from a friend of the “amazing things” that are happening in florida.
In desiring to be discerning but not jump to conclusions concerning his minisrty, I chose NOT to allow his creepy appearance to contibute to my decision. Once I dismissed that, I realized a lack of humility in his speech, from the brief review I witnessed on god tv. Todd had a “co-minister” with him on stage from Africa, and completely interrupted his comment mid sentence. The way he moved his hands and fingers seemed strange to me, but I didn’t want to use that against him.
Overall, at this point, I have enjoyed reading opinions on both sides and appreciate the patience and committment of the author of this blog to all the comments concerning this article.
I am not convinced that Todd is truly a man after God’s own heart, or what is going on with him.
I don’t think “touching your screen” is logical at all to receive healing or be a part of God’s miracles and touch. I beleive that by having a relationship with Christ, we have the gift of coming to Him on our own accord or with our fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, and shouldn’t think that only by being a part of an elite revival, attending, touching, or talking over the phone will allow our healing to take place.
So I am skeptical still – let’s all continue to ask the Lord for wisdom from heaven that is pure, but above all seek the Lord’s face.
Hiya
I Had Seen What Happened Th eLAst Time The Prophetic Movement Happened…
After Readin (Please Dont Say I’m Judging Todd On The Past.. And About Matthew 7)
I Really Like What The Actually Blog (Not The Comments) Says..
Todd Went To Heaven.. He Was Abducted In An Alien Manner?
Todd.. Was In A Convineint Store And The Power Of God Came upon Him… He Got On All Fours And Roared Like A Lion?
Huh??!! What’s That About?
Then This Stuff About Angels Called Promise And Emma.. is The Worst Part Of It All.. Now I Know That’s Made Up!
The Tattoos: What About Making No Marking On Your Body?
Finally: Research Reveils Todd Was Convicted Of Rapeing A 7 Year Old Boy. He Was Sent To Jail For This.
I Am Anti-Todd Bently..
He Has People Like Bob Kane And That As His Mentors
One Of His Mentors Is Gay!!
Doesnt That Just Say There’s Something Wrong?
I’m Only 18 But… I Don’t Believe A Word Of What He Says And What’s More, I Really Don’t Listen Or Watch It Anymore.
It’s Trash…
I Know Of Two Churches Taking A Stand Against This Movement/Revival… Only Two? I Pray There’s More.
I went to this revival and was in awe of the unity across all denominations. The worship was incredible as people were united and so excited about worshipping Jeus Christ. Person after person testifying about healing and such a move all before Todd Bentley prayed. I’ve gone 2x to the revival and seen literally hundreds give their lives to God. The focus has been off of Todd and so much on God -Incredible is all I have to say. Thank you Jesus that you can forgive me and the Todd Bentley’s of this world and use us in mighty ways. It is awfully hard to test the spirits, when we have pre-conceived ideas about someone. Blessings
It is amazing just how widespread this movement is becoming, if it is causing thousands and millions of people to question their spiritual standings (whether Christian or not) then there has to be some value in that!
I was wondering how you can say that Todd’s speaking in tongues is ‘clearly demonic’? I have come in contact with the gift of tongues on many occasions and each time they have been manifested differently, how can you say therefore that Todd’s are demonic? what defines ‘true’ and ‘false’ tongues?
Also if there are hundreds of people giving their lives to God in the meetings this has to be real – how can you be ‘falsely converted’ God is God, however you pray to him it is still the same God (Jehovah i mean, i’m not getting into other religions here!) if you are saying that Todd is false then why is he encouraging conversion to Christianity?
I have not been to the meetings myself i as i am in the Uk but i have been to some in Dudley (England) where a very similar style movement is breaking out, and the first thing that struck me was the amount of time devoted to seeking God during worship, if Todd is demon possessed then how could he be worshipping God in that place? surely being in a place of genuine belief in Him, and hunger for His presence through worship must be incompatible with the workings of Satan?
Blessings
Tim
God’s proud of you, Jamie
Thank you, Helen – 100% agreement, yes, “Pray for your enemies”.
Oh my…Kelli’s post reminds me of just how persuasive and aggressive the spirit behind this “revival” is. Unity at what cost?
People, I have read Mr Bentley’s articles, he is a false teacher. He is false through and through. You are being deceived. Can you not look for yourselves and discern that this man is a false teacher? Do you not care as long as you get a “good feeling” from this?
Through the scriptures we learn that God Himself will send a “STRONG DELUSION” to those who don’t love the truth. Don’t be among the deluded. Search the scriptures and see if what Mr Bentley says and does lines up.
I went to the [ healing revival]last Tuesday to see for myself what exactly was taking place.I prayed for desernment before hand and this is what I saw.At the begining of the service was alot of worship music that was really awesome but somewhere after the first hour I began to feel very uncomfortable,worship should not wear you down it should lift you up.This man came out I am not sure who he was but he began speaking and he directly said [quote] religion sucks!! and what this generation needs is the new fire, Now I know that religion can be misused but it does not suck!!Those are not phrases the Lord would use.It was also said that EVERYONE in the building would be healed by the end of the evening,[BY THE WAY I STILL HAVE ALL MY AILMENTS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM]NOW THERE WAS ALOT OF SPEAKING IN TOUNGES[WHICH BT THE WAY THERE NEVER WAS AN INTERPETER]there also was a man who came up on stage and got the service fired up for the moment that the service was about to go live it reminded me of my younger days when I would go to rock concerts the man told everyone to that on cue they should all start shouting and like a bunch of hypnotized robots they did exactly as he said.Now when Todd Bentley finally came up on stage he fell to the floor as if in a trance and some other men followed him in doing the same.He lay there for a good while,he starting shaking and laughing.When the healing service started he first called up to the stage all of the 13 year old virgins,and then he changed his mind and said for all the teenagers between 13 and 18 to come up and of course he toched them or blew on them heck he even kabammed some of them[wow he is trying all kinds of new stuff I wonder how many times Jesus kabammed the ones he healed]!!!I remeber Jesus healing and then telling the healed to go and sin no more!!anyway he said that the teenagers represented the 13 virgins who was the 13 new churches that were being birthed in Lakeland,ok,,now the time came for him to start calling out healings and what not ,people fell to the floor and shook violently he even said he put the annointing on this one man and sent him in the audience to take the annointing to them Wow what a show.My ending comment is this The word of GOD is not a 3 ring circus!!!GOD is being mocked and there are serious consequnces to this kind of behaviour.I dont know how GOD will treat this problem but I am sure he will deal with it.Revival is about lost souls being won.and repentance,and forgiveness and spirirtual healing of the lost and hurting.a fresh start for us to return to him in humility.The word of GOD says that many will come and say I come in the name of the Lord that in the end times there will be many decievers claiming to be doing his work.Saints do not be decieved get on your praying bones and ask for wisdom and disernment I have been loving the LORD for many years He will answer the questions you have.And lastly we all need to be praying that these people would come clean and ask for forgiveness, even the deceivers are promised forgiveness if the accpt the LORD as their savior and mean it in their hearts,We have to love these people enough to pray for them.satan we come against you in the name of our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST and cast you out by His name,you will not continue to decieve, you are the father of all lies and you have been exposed for what you are,NOW RETURN TO THE PIT OF HELL WITH YOUR DARK ANGELS,we have the victory already in JESUS and we are claiming it,Father I pray that you would remove the scales from the eyes of the ones who have strayed and have mercy on them,thank you for the finshed work in JESUS name AMEN
DONT YOU ALL KNOW THAT satan MIMICKS FOR EVIL READ THE BOOK ALL THAT GOD INTENDS FOR GOOD
FALSE READING HAS BEEN AROUND ALONG TIME DO THE RESEARCH AND SEE FOR YOURSELF
I live next to Ignited Church where some of the revival was held before moving it to Auburndale…then Tiger Stadium then to the Civic Center. I have met and spoke with TB and his counterparts DAILY. See I work in a restaurant that they all seem to be addicted to after their services. I wish all they did was eat and I would have no problems but they don’t. They try to keep their “energies” going by screaming and yelling in the store almost a cackling and shaking heads back and forth almost putting you in mind of someone who would be mocking a retarded person. From day 1 of meeting them I have felt the most CREEPENING feeling I have ever felt in my life. It takes alot for me to be convinced of something so the slaying in the spirit theory I don’t give any grounds to be something that happens nowdays. (I can see it happening perhaps evilly such as the wolf in sheeps clothing) To watch how his followers are acting, to see true emotions of rudeness/selfishness/needing attention and even cursing because they didn’t get their food in a timely fashion and to feel the cold air that seems to encapsulate TB and Dave’s vehichle as they drive off cements my affirmation with demonic connection. I see these people everyday for the past month and I feel physically ill, I know that’s not right to say and I am supposed to love my enemy but I have never encountered such a “repelling” before. I see him preaching everday as I drive home on Ignited’s Electronic billboard with a vid clip and it makes me sick. Todd and Dave both tried to get me numerous times to attend their revivals but when they found out that the simple “food clerk” had bible knowledge I was avoided with “We’ll talk more later!” Their biggest miracle they claim was Angels sung thru the microphones for 15 minutes, multiple wheelchair healings ect…They were supposed to only be here for 3 days that got switched to a week then a month now I am hearing possibly a year. I hope not but I am very greatful to find that others feel the same as I do!!! I never knew of TB before Lakeland. ALmost forgot…money…some of their “groupies” I call them…I believe from the way they speak that they are being slotted for possible openings of actual employment in his evangelism I overheard them speaking of how much money they could make at this and that ministry. Just straight up talking about money doing the lords work right in front of me like they were protected with some invisible sound booth. Not even slick in the slightest almost “in your face-don’t care what u think” attitude. I have prayed which I don’t do often at all for God to help move this gang along their merry way, hopefully he will hear me.
I tried to read all the comments, just couldn’t get past all of them the post is too lengthy. But in a overall view of what I’ve read, I must say that it is very hard for people to separate what is from God and what isn’t. NO ONE I mean NO ONE is greater or the least among the sheep. So therefore I find it hard to understand why ANYONE would hold any other man in high esteem even above themselves just because they think he is a man of God. If he is then so be it, so is everyone else who really knows God. But the last thing I’m going to do is go flock to some service just because they show some signs and wonders. That could be a fatal mistake on my part. Would I be cheating myself from a move of God on my life, not if it isn’t from God, should I take the risk just to go and see? That would be like playing Russian roulette. Why would that be you might ask, well because my first mistake would be to go to a service like that just so I could see signs and wonders. The only wonder I need to be concerned with is the wonder of my faith and the work that is being done in me by Christ, not by ANY other man, which couldn’t do anything for me when it comes right down to it. It’s God who writes names in the book of life, it’s God who heals, it’s God who delivers, it’s God who forgives sins, it’s God who knows my heart, and it’s God who does anything that I need. And God is still God EVEN IF he choose NOT to do anything I mentioned. EVEN if God slay me YET shall I trust him!! Seems to be a lot of emphasis on what this man does or that man does or that man has an anointing SO WHAT hes NOTHING without GOD PERIOD! THAT guy is leading many to Christ that guy is healing people nonsense people JESUS is the author and finisher of our faith, and if your faith is in a man then JESUS isn’t the author of it!!!! WHOM do you serve, WHOM do you believe in? God said my spirit will not always strive with man, and since it don’t we are to trust him anyway. BE VERY VERY cautious about these moves in services like Bentley’s or Hinn’s or anyone that seems to have a GREAT move of GOD EVERYTIME you go see them. EVEN JESUS didn’t do that. GOD cannot and will not move on people unless their sin is taken care of first because it’s our sins that separate us from him! Why is it that God is blessing in these places EVERYTIME and YET the world by in large is getting DEEPER in SINS? You don’t see a problem here then you’d better put your glasses on! Look folks God don’t work on feelings your not going to get a move of God everytime. Most of the time God has to take care of your SIN problem before he will do ANYTHING for you. That unless of course you don’t have any sin and you THINK it’s already taken care of and you don’t ever sin, in which case then if God moves on you and you get all touchy with feelings, you’d better bet your NOT getting the REAL move of God on your life and it is demonic spirits masquerading. Satan could care less about your sins or doing anything about them, he’ll even tell you your alright just say a little prayer and everything’s fine. PEOPLE for crying out loud most of you have NO idea how Satan even works do you? You think hes just going to come in with the obvious horns a tail and a fork? WAKE UP!!!
wow,this is a pretty big deal, i love God and i think questioning people like Todd is good, but we are born with a sin nature, people are being healed, and coming to Christ, and its in his name, Glory to God
what i mean saying we are born with a sin nature, is that we can not expect everyone to be perfect, or to judge them against perfection, but good things are happening in this revival, and its great to watch, i wish we would all stop bickering over things, this man believes what the bible says, and is getting reved up in the holy spirit.
“People will rise up and say LORD LORD did we not prophecy in your name? Did we not expell demons in your name??? (My favorite part)”Get away from me you workers of LAWLESSNESS…I don’t even KNOW you!”
From what I have learned is that the narrow path leads to god not the wide. How is this relative? A faith that will combine other denominations into one big mass and state that this is the new way acceptable to gain everlasting life without changing any root fundementals gives me CAUSE…sets off a little discernment. The devils greatest weapon is FALSE RELIGION and I have no problem accepting that as THE TRUTH. How do you know it’s Christ they are coming too? How do you know the devil is not laughing his butt off having the time of his life KNOWING good and well they are following the Pied Piper into their unbeknownst doom. If true discernment is something you may not feel comfortable with yet…make a pro’s versus con list. I believe if you can separate your empathey/pride/ignorance(something we are born with!) and use reason/objectiveness/remove all your conflicts of interest…you should have an answer. Also most times if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck…stand to reason? Sorry guys, just not buying it.
I watched a video on You Tube, where IHOP in Kansas City, they’re sending out people two by two to go in the streets and witness to the poor, the needy, the unsaved, and seemingly the unreachable. This in itself is a good deed and it is what we should be doing when we are called to do it. But we should be called to it, and lead by the spirit of God to do so, not from our own means and thoughts. If we do works such as this by our desires then it gets in the movement of the flesh not by the move of the Holy Spirit. Though we are called we are also to be lead by the spirit of God, one without the other, opens doors to our own influence, not the influence of the spirit of God. The unsaved by the way are not promised Gods gifts the bible says so, the ONLY thing the unsaved are promised is salvation from turning from sins and turning to God. If the unsaved receive spiritual gifts, without repentance then it is NOT a move of God but a move of unfirmiliar spirits, demonic spirits who could care less about your sins, and is more than willing to fulfill your needs for the sake of deception. The video clip I watched was more of a advertisement of IHOP and what they’re promoting, it did not ONE time show anyone witnessing to the unsaved about their sins and that they needed to turn from it or else they couldn’t receive anything from God. On the outset from a spiritually blinded persons perspective, there seemed to be no harm in what was going on, after all it looked like people were turning to God, but the question is where they REALLY? Now I’m not familiar with IHOP in Kansas city that well, and I just came across it from another You Tube video rebutting IHOP, so I began to investigate. Now if IHOP have good intentions for the unsaved their advertisement left out the SIN problem that actually keeps them from coming to God in the first place, which leads me to the conclusion to question WHY? What exactly is the foundation that’s being laid out from the move of IHOP? Are they actually building their foundation on sand or the rock? The bible says except for God build the house, they that build it labors in vein. It is a very subtle move, and one that is real hard to see for the spiritually blinded. The first step one MUST NOT overlook when it comes to the unsaved coming to God is the acknowledgement of the SIN in ones life, if they’re NOT pointing that out to the unsaved they can preach and witness Gods love all day long, it is not going to do them one bit of good. I don’t care what they feel or what kind of touch they seem to have, it’s NOT God if they don’t recognize what actually keeps them from God to begin with. I’m not saying that no one in that movement doesn’t actually witness in the right manner, but the video sure didn’t show it, and if they think the unsaved can actually receive the same things as the saved then they’re blinded to the facts of what the bible actually teaches. God only receives the sinner from a contrite heart of repentance, which without they cannot come to God to receive anything from him. The very foundation that must be built is the foundation of repentance, otherwise your building the house on sand not the rock of Jesus Christ. And Jesus said that NO one comes to the father except by me, you can’t bypass Jesus to get to God, and you can’t come to Jesus without a contrite repenting heart. So if the unsaved are receiving anything from God without going through the actual steps it takes to really be saved then they are coming to another God and another Jesus all together. I don’t say this out of ridicule and judgement and many times I myself have problems with sin issues…who don’t? But just like what AA meetings teach and their right by the way, the first step into recovery is admitting your mistakes and sins, and desiring a NEED to turn from them. You can’t come to God still wanting to hang on to your sins, it won’t work! I know this first hand, and it’s a endless fight, and it gets you NOTHING!!! YOU MUST have change of HEART, and you can’t have that, which will bring you to salvation, unless you see what you really are and desire a need to turn from it. These last day movements are very deceptive, because most people overlook the sin issue, they want God, and yet they want their sins, PEOPLE LISTEN you CANNOT CANNOT have both!!!
i find it such a laugh at those who seem to think that if we question the authentisity of Todd bently we are blaspheming the Holy spirit dont these clowns know how to properly interperet gods word i think it is about time they got rapured out of Never land and started to ground them selfs on gods word as none of what todd is about is biblical it is total herisy. firstly blasphemy was not a question of the miracles that jesus did nor was it the works that christ did but rather it was a total rejection of christ himself here is the blasphemy of the holy ghost the holy spirit was only known for two functions under old covenant firstly he was a messenger and secondly he made the message recondnisable the message is the cross of christ and him crucified and todd bently is highly guilty of rejecting such a message and todd and anybody else who puts manifestations or anything else above god word is in thin ice indeed gods word is the final court of appeal the canon of scriptures means measureing rod the bible is our measureing rod and we have a right and responsibility to measure all things if we dont were just downright foolish on that day of judgement jesus will not ask why did you not accept my miracles but rather why did you reject my word .
I have just finished watching videos about the ministering Todd Bentley is doing. I also have read various bloggs concerning his past. WE all have a past. And if you are saved by Jesus Christ the past is gone. Which one of us would like stuff revealed? Ye who has no sin throw the first stone. All sin is bad none is worse than the other. God can and will do the impossible. God also will tend to choose those that which we look at with our eyes and
saying NO Way. But God says YES to them. I believe He is able to teach them easier because they do not have the pride to get under control. I have seen many wonderful things in the 30plus years as a christian and what is going on in Florida and many other states and cities is a move of God! Those who choose to be non participents or condemn this will have their day with God. They will loose out on some of the most beautiful and exciting works of God. Also, I move in the gifts of the Spirit. This was nothing that I asked for nor claimed. This is something that God chose to give for Him to work through me. I also believe a christian should know the fruit of the Spirit.(galations5:21-26) And the acts of the sinful nature are found in (galations5:19-21) Check yourself which are you? It is not my job to judge I only will inspect the fruit that comes out from you. Once you know which you are then you and God will have to deal with the issue. The Bible also says to not come against His Prophets for if you do that it will be not good for you. It is not that He will “get” you it is that you yourself will cause the damage because of your actions and words.
again i must say that the bible is the final court of apeal not any prophet but rather gods word. let me tell you in any genuine revival there is a serius awareness of hell and an increased awareness of there sin, where the spirit of god is sin must be confronted their has not been any genuine revival where the preaching of the cross and christ and him crucified was not proclaimed the preaching of the cross was central and men and woman were so terified of the consequences of their sin they gave their life to christ in genuine repentance in this florida so called healing revival where is the cross where is the word of god iv yet to see somebody with a bible let alone expound from it where is the hell fire preacher as the scripture says How will they here without a preacher where is the preacher all i see is a man spouting a whole lot of claims of healings where the cross of christ is absent we have another gospel and it becomes no more than a cain offering a bloodless offering without the cross of christ there can be no remissions of sins
John – Amen. Well said, and with wisdom from knowing God and His Word.
What you say is partially true. What good is the Bible when someone is blind and cannot read or deaf and cannot hear? Even Jesus fed the people food for the flesh so they would be able to spiritually take in what he had to say. I also know that he healed before they came to him. What purpose is it to have a hell and brimstone teaching in a sense knocking them in the head and causing fear in their lives which the enemy will use to drive an even bigger divide between them and Jesus. Jesus was firm but he never caused them to come to Him by that method. I have myself used a much better method. That is the Love of God! it wins everytime. This is revival meetings. The indepth teaching should be at the churches where they attend. There is a difference. I myself have many times experienced healing and blessings from meetings as such as these. I know when someone is annointed and when they are not. Any way you must make your own decision.
victoria, You are right to a point, but we as people must question people’s motives, and motives are clearly seen by what they teach in churches. What is the emphasis, and the over all message one teaches is what we should be concerned with. The bible says some are saved by fear, and some by love, you leave out one or the other, and only teach one then your NOT showing the truth. Jesus did do the things you said and more, but he also taught on hell more than he did heaven. He had more to say about money and the evils of it than he did about the gain of it in this life. So Jesus emphasis on hell and the evils of money for out weight his teachings of the opposite. All I see from a lot of these church movements, are how to get in this life, money prosperity, God loves you, setting up a broad picture of a give me God. While what they teach is true, their main message for outweighs the main message of what Jesus taught.
You won’t even hear or rarely hear them teach on hell and the falls and evil money can be in this life, as a matter of FACT the very emphasis is MONEY and GAIN and HEAVEN. They teach Gods grace, but NOT his judgement. With teachings such as this sounds good and has some truth to it, it’s ONLY partial truth, and as a matter of FACT, what it’s doing is promoting God while ignoring our SIN issue. That in turn elevates man and brings God down to our level, whether they realize it or NOT it is. It’s a very subtle move on our psyche, keep teaching like that, and the next thing is people are brainwashed and take no note on the SIN issue, actually ignoring SIN instead of facing it head on. You think these movements in some of these churches are going to change people, well your right, it will change them straight in the pit of Hell itself, because they ignored the one thing that God MUST address, and that is SIN. I hear this a lot and have debated on You Tube about it with atheist, well if God is merciful then why is there a hell? The answer is real simple most pass it right up. I can answer it and not even say anything about the holiness of God. Answer, what’s the need for mercy, if there’s no judgement? The very fact God is merciful tells us he has a need of mercy or else he wouldn’t need to be merciful. Mercy doesn’t mean you ignore sin but that it has to be addressed, in order to fulfill mercy. If mercy isn’t fulfilled then only judgement is left. Jesus addressed the sin issue on the cross, and leave out the cross and all you have is JUDGEMENT, see what I’m saying? Our emphasis should and must be about what Jesus did on the cross, and you cannot exhaust it. Instead all you see in a lot of these church movements is the opposite, God is merciful, God wants your needs met, give and God will give back, visions signs and wonders. These things are a side issue but are receiving more credit and addressed much much more than the cross of Christ, this SHOULD NOT BE!!! If we as people do not address the sin issue on the way it’s meant to be addressed then Satan will address it for sure. He will find every reason to overlook it, and get our attention away from Christ and the cross and give us religion instead. He don’t mind anyone teaching the bible just leave out the cross of Christ, and he will leave you alone. That seems to be the very case in what’s going on with a lot of these church movements.
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This dialog is interesting and it seems to alot of people speaking in a way that is dishonoring to Jesus. yes we need to have the gift of discerning of spirits wich is a spiritual gift.I am interested if the you are healing the sick and casting out spirits . I believe we can all do what we are called to do in our cities healing casting and loveing . Loving being the first of these.Faith working through Love . blessings
we have a duty and a commision to go out into all the world and preach the gospel what gospel is being preached in this so called florida revival the bible says clearly that if any man add to or take from his part shall be taken out of the book of life this was the final seal being put on gods divine word this is a severe warning to any body who invents and runs after so called new revelations or mystical experiences we must be very carful of what we accept as a so called new work of god, and by the way the pentecostal movment was birthed on preaching such as hell fire preaching and it brought millions of souls to christ i hear of many in modern day circles wanting to be like elijah where are the john the baptists of this late hour {REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND} in the talk of revival in the azuza street revival there was a prophecy which is a stern warning lets look at this prophecy shall we
in the last days of the pentecostal movement three things would happen
1 there would be an overemphasis on power rather than righteousness
2 there will be an overemphasis on praise to a god they no longer pray to
3 there will be an overemphasis on the gifts of the spirit rather than the lordship of christ.
william booth founder of the salvation army who was a passionate soul winner uttered these prophetic words
the chif danger of the twentieth century will be
a religion without the holy ghost
christianity without christ
forgiveness without repentance
salvation without regeneration
and a heven without hell
oh i hear plenty about heaven today but nothing about the consequencies of sin oh people are told to say a prayer and accept jesus into there heart that is not salvation friends salvation is a death burial and a resurection
a sinner comes to the cross of christ the old man is put to death he is buried which baptism in water means and the new man is resurected behold all things have become new i dont hear this being preached much today but oh this was the fruit of all genuine revival where is the testimonies today of people standing up weeping as they give there testimonies of what christ did for them as he saved them from the destruction of where they were heading i cant wait till the trump of god sounds and the dead in christ rise first then those which are alive in christ and remain shall be caught up to meet him in the clouds all this deception will be behind all of us who are genuinly born again in christ and i wish that people would not just be a zombie of some false prophet who speaks and his words are taken as if from the throne of god
Ron
Yes you do have a point. There is a time for everything. That is why it is so inportant to know what and how God wants it to be accomplished. The local churches need to preach and teach with balance. People need to realize that yes there are consequences for their actions and words. Motive is I agree important. That is why the scripture says “you will know them by their fruit”. And,”what comes out of the mouth is what is in the heart”. The cross of Christ should be preached. The realness of what Jesis did needs to be told. Sin should not be tolerated. People then should be taught what is sin. The local church is responsible and so is every christian to teach and mentor those that are in Christ too. We all bear the cross of making sure that their walk with Him is thoroughly understood. They need to know both the blessings and rewards of it and the consequences if they refuse to follow the principles set for them. A decision to follow Christ is not one of sitting back and enjoying life. It is one sometimes with great dificulty and pain for doing what is right. I have been there but will never turn away from the one who is Lord and Savior in my life. I myself have in the mamy years a christian wittnessed and in myself also seen and experienced miracles, deliverences, healing, and so much more that I am not able to put it in print. We as christians need to remember to not put God in a BOX. He is a creative God and will use whatever and whomever will yield themselves to Him. It is not always what we might perceive to be someone he should use. I know this because I have seen many times Him using someone that in the world we would see as a no way! I have learned to trust the Spirit within me. If something is moving with the wrong spirit it will be revealed. We as christians need to not be “trigger happy”. More anointed people have been refused by this than any other. Yes we also must watch our attitudes and how we present ourselves to the world. Who wants to follow a God that protrays anger, judgment, hateful and foul words? Who would want to follow a God where those who profess to be His followers chew each other up spit then out. Or that gossip,kill their wounded, and strike them when they are down? Some of the comments I have read on this message page have been as others have stated really bad. If someone who was not a christian were to read this they would turn and run the other way. Do they that speak and emit those things realize that they will answer on Judgememt Day? And to those who are reading these messages and have not made Jesus your Lord and Savior, please realize that to put on the title of a christian does not necessarily mean that they are serious about it. This is not the way christians should act. We are to to be Christ like. That is what the word Christian means. Not all of us are like what is a negative hateful judgmental attitude.
guys God is weaping, as the fact that he is finally bein able to heal people is causing arguments in the church. how silly does that sound? for those of you who are saying sweeping things like ‘todd bentley doesnt give glory to christ’ yes he flippin does, you must be stupid to not hear him say ‘thank you jesus’ in that crazy voice of his every time. those of you who have a go at what his tongues sound like…… are you God? have you studied heavenely languages at college? is his pronouncsiation not right? pfft. i’ve made my point about that argument right…?
guys, lets be united in the body of christ, please…..
i wont doubt that anyone in this conversation knows God through jesus christ by the way. oh my point is just to stop judging one another, pray for todd with all your heart that he never bows down to any thing except jesus reigning in his heart which is 100% what i believe he is doin after watchin the florida revival once or twice.
victoria, Many people really don’t understand what fruits are, and testing the spirits are. This has NOTHING to do with works. If that were the case, stop and think a moment, Satan would be on the top, when it comes to works. Need I say more? When the bible says, you will know them by their fruits, this does not mean works. But all to often, when someone uses that as a witness to what they are, they automatically point out the works they have done. If Jesus can tell some depart from me, after those who pleaded their works, then Jesus couldn’t do it, because they then would have their works to proof their fruits. So fruits isn’t works. Those people Jesus was talking about, had all kinds of good works in Jesus name, but their fruits didn’t bare witness to Jesus. Your works can’t justify yourself, and never will. If works could then what did Jesus die for? You put your faith in your works, then Jesus is omitted. That’s why I said we need to find peoples motives, we need to see their intentions behind what they do. Your NOT going to see it by their works because they have plenty of it. This is NOT judgement of the person, but the judgement by the spirit they come in.
Testing of the spirits, will reveal their motives, despite the fact they have works. By what spirit do they come in? Self motivation, greed, prosperity, prestige, and popularity? Can God work by such? Although I don’t limit what and how God can work, I’m not inclined to believe God will work by the motives I listed. By the motives I listed, is what Satan uses, not what God uses.
Our warfare is not in flesh and blood, it is only revealed by flesh and blood. So if one looks at works and test it they then will be testing it by the natural. Because the works is revealed in the natural. We are to test spirits by the supernatural, not seen by the natural. So testing of the spirits by works won’t work, you then still remain blind to see the fruits, because your seeing it by the natural, the law of works.
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh, just listen to what some are saying and referrer back to what I said about the main message of what some are teaching. And it’s crystal clear what their motivations are, MONEY, GAIN, GIVE and GET back, materialism, it’s all based on the greed of the heart, even though it comes in with works, and great works at that. So God is not moving in a lot of these new movements, it’s a counterfeit of the works of Satan. And yes Satan can do supernatural works, he has that power, he did it in the day of Moses, when they copied the miracles God did through Moses. Our condition and our motives of our heart is what God works through, when it’s in the right place with God, out of a pure heart, bent towards God, like David was. Otherwise the Holy Spirit is working though the darkness of our hearts, and he CANNOT do it that way, and NEVER will. This is a very deceptive, and one many can’t see, their needs are so great in their lives they don’t bother to search it out. We don’t judge the person but by the spirit they come in. I hope this makes it more clear, and I hope you take the time out, before falling for the first movement just because the works are there.
You are so full of your self you can not see God. You will one day.
If there were any such thing as TRUE modern day healers, then why are they not at the local hospitals emtying out the rooms? This is a very simple question we all should ask, and it makes it easy to discern who is real and who is not.
Joy1490.com is a very informative website. It helped me answer a lot of bible questions that were confusing to me. Learning right division has changed everything.
I haven’t visited this blog before and to be honest I have not read all the comments. (I read quite slow)
I have the following question/statment.
Jesus himself said the end of the world will come when the kingdom (of God) is preached to all nations(Math24:14 no exact day/hour given).
The Bible does say that many false prophets will arise.
My question: Where does it say that true prophets will arise close before the second coming of Christ?
My view is that all prophets that arrise that do not preach the kingdom (of God) are false prophets.
The presence of God is so awesome! I’m not getting involved in bashing Todd or anyone for that matter. People are being healed and demons are being cast out of people. Christians are taking this out to the streets and if anything I believe that this is causing a global awakening of the church to get believers outside of the church walls. I want to see more people start going out to the streets and being on fire for God and to bring healing to the world.
I think some people need to forget about talking badly about Todd and focus their attention on God and what He is doing in this revival. It’s not about Todd, it’s totally God working through Todd. I think it’s awesome that Todd has realized the great gift that God has given to him, but we all are told to heal the sick and raise the dead if we are disciples of Christ. Jesus even says that we will do greater things than He did. That is a pretty awesome statement to me. Why has the majority of the church ignored this fact? It’s time for the church to come into the fullness of the power of God instead of being paralyzed in their thinking about the gifts and supernatural.
I really hope this mobilizes the church to reach out to the world!! Start a fire in your community!!
God bless…
Greg –
‘The presence of God is so awesome’ = this makes me feel great. That ain’t biblical. How do you know ‘it’ is God?
Its not the’feelings’ so much as the Power of ‘God being released and ‘experienced’. If you have never experienced God’s Power in your life then you have no idea what is being talked about.
Biblical feelings are expressed everywhere in Scripture, LOL!
Read Gals 5:22-23. If you are joyful and happy, do you Feel it?? If you are full of PEACE do you feel it? If you are in LOVE do you have some feelings sometimes!?!?
OF course you do unless you are a robot! God HAS FEELINGS, so it cannot be unbiblical to have the same as God, after all we are made in HIS IMAGE and LIKENESS!
Maureen
You miss my point.
Feelings are not the ultimate truth or test. Many are saying they ‘feel’ the glory/presense of God, but my question is how do you know it is GOD – do you test the Spirits, or do you just think because it feels so sweet, and so strong, and people manifest and there are signs and wonders, this is of God. if we go by this yardstick, many many religions, cults and sects meet with ‘God’.
I do not deny for one second that you may ‘feel’ something when the Spirit comes in power, but the feeling is not the ultimate test or the ultimate fruit.
BTW, I have experienced the real thing. I have also experienced the counterfeit because I did not test and weigh. The counterfeit tends to be more fleshly and sensual and the genuine not sensual at all.
If as I keep saying there is falsehood and lies and deciet and profiteering and much bad fruit and so on going on in this move, how it be God being imparted by these men? Really? Todd Bentley’s fruit is lies, charlatanism, false prophecy, false healing, lies, more lies, false teaching. Do you really want what he has got, because it ain’t God? If he ‘had’ God and was passing on the Holy Spirit, he would not act or talk in such a way. If he the imparter is not walking in the truth, or his associates and mentors, look what his spirits and anointings have done to him over years. Todd cannot get it right, so why want his impartation and anointing? It is disgusting vile vomit and leads into all lies, not all truth.
How do you know if the feelings come from GOD or the devil?
Look at the footprints and the fruit! Simple!! Good fruit results in LIFE and HEALTH, JOY, LOVE, PEACE and FREEDOM!
Bad fruit leads to the fruits of darkness.
Like, bitterness, slander, and criticism, judgments, lies and on it goes! Often sadly, all in the name of spiritual discernment. Well that is what the Pharisees did too and they killed Jesus!
“DEATH and LIFE are in the POWER of the TONGUE and those who love it will eat its fruit” [Prov], either from their life giving words or their death producing words eh!
endtimespropheticwords,
I’m just saying that God’s presence has showed up in my house as I watch this revival. I know the presence of God. I’m not saying that I’m watching this revival blindly though. I believe that you can over analyze what happens at the meetings and really miss the good things that are happening. I know that these meetings have brought me closer to God. I’m not saying Todd is right or wrong. I believe that God is showing up no matter what is going on.
God is being lifted up and being worshipped passionately. Say that everything Todd is doing is of Satan, I believe that there is a majority of people attending there who are passionate for God. I believe that God will bring this to light if it is not of Him. I can’t deny though that I have built up more faith in my heart.
Greg
Ok Maureen
So by your own words you testify against Bentley who is a liar, deciever, trickster, false teacher, false prophet and profiteer. Do do you still want his anointing.
Greg - how do you know the ‘presense’ you think is God is really God? Because you just know without testing? How do you know? Because you have felt it for years? This is no test for truth.
There is a psychological peace from the mind and the flesh and emotions alone, there is also a counterfeit spirit from Satan that is incredibly sweet and senusal and amazing.
I have known people test the ‘peace’ or ‘heat’ or what they think to be God’s ‘presense’ and they find it testifies to obvious falsehood – eg burns even hotter or gets even more sensual when certain questions are put to it meaning it must be a lying spirit. Try yours and see – and wake up and realise it just may not be God you feel – or you misunderstand what you experience and think God testifies something he does not – as God does not testify to lies and is ultimately not about sensual experiences either but about truth.
How could God possibly witness to Todd Bentley, his teachings, prophecies or anointings? God’s Spirit leads into all truth, not all lies.
You know what we WANT to see sometimes we will see and that will becomes our reality! IF we want to see evil and to Call GOOD, EVIL then we chose to deceive ourselves.
Righteousness brings ‘PEACE’ not division and speaking evil against others. To say the things you are saying about Todd Bentley is Not speaking or LIFE, but DEATH and darkness. Its is the sin of slander and lies.
Sorry to have to speak so strongly. But what you are saying has NO FRUITS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS attached to it.
False peace does not bring in the KINGDOM OF GOD and reveal the HEART OF GOD, which is always to SAVE. SOZO in the Greek means not only salvation, but also HEALING of the spirit, the Soul and the Body!
Wow isn’t that Awesome! And my friend that is what is happening in LAKELAND!! IF only you had eyes to see and Ears to hear and a HEART to receive, like those there who are being Healed and set free by the MIRACULOUS POWER OF a ‘LIVING’ GOD who LOVES HIS children so much he actually WANTS TO HEAL THEM! He doesn’t even care if his chosen vessels have some flaws! And we who point the finger, should be very careful indeed. Discernment isn’t for the purpose of bringing fear and slandering people and ministries, or there would NOT BE ONE MINISTRY STANDING in the Earth! Not even this one, rather its for the purpose of bringing revelation that produces LIFE!
So how much LIFE is being generated here and bringing the KINGDOM OF GOD down here, on EARTH, AS IT IS IN HEAVEN? Remember ‘HEAVEN’ is the MODEL of what its meant to look like here! THats what JESUS told us to PRAY for remember!
Is there any Cancer, or pain or other gross diseases, or mental illness, or evil speaking and slander in Heaven? I don’t think so!!
So its not hard to discern the fruits of Righteousness.
GREG:
You are being BLESSED, because you choose to be like the ‘little Children’ Jesus told us we needed to be, to be able to experience and enter the Kingdom of Heaven!
Good on you! GO for it GREG and don’t let unbelief, or fear enter your mind and heart!
“If we who are evil, know how to give GOOD GIFTS to our children, then HOW MUCH MORE WILL THE HOLY SPIRIT GIVE ONLY GOOD GIFTS to HIS CHILDREN!!” Healing and Wholeness are the Children’s BREAD!
THIS WAVE GREG, is going to bring GOD’S GLORY to the Unsaved and to bring God’s HEALING POWER to the broken in the Earth. GOD has promised that the Knowledge of HIS GLORY IS GOING TO COVER THE EARTH AS THE WATERS COVER THE SEA!! GO GOD!!!
This is MORE than EXCITING! ITS WHAT people all over the Earth, have been crying out for, and seeking GOD for, for years!
BLESSINGS and PEACE and GREAT JOY in the HOLY SPIRIT!
May you receive all the Desires of your heart and far more than you could ever imagine in your wildest dreams or desires!
Be a ‘BIG WAVE RIDER’ GREG!!
Maureen –
You are a hypocrit because you say what the fruits of righteousness are and are not, yet none of these fruits are coming from Todd Bentley. So why will you not weigh him by your own words? What is blinding you so? Wake up, wake up – I rebuke that deaf spirit in your inner spiritual ear and say, wake up, woman, in Jesus name!
You accuse me of slander yet I can prove what I say so it is not slander – proof not only from scripture but also from Todd’s videos or writings. But you ignore it, why? If what I said was lies, you would have every right to accuse me of slander and unrighteousness, but see what I have written an examine it impartially, and you will see what I write is true – his own lies testify against him – frequently.
I have seen him lie to millions saying scars were gone when they were not. It was caught on camera as were other lies when the disease was still rhere. Are you Ok with this? Why would a true healer and a true prophet want to or need to lie like this – is this a fruit of the Spirit? Is this the work of a man of God or charlatan and deciever who has no fear of God or man?
There are many documented lies coming out of the Lakeland revival yet you refuse to even examine them. Obvious, obvious lies, lies and more lies. Why are you being so foolish? Because it is a fun ride and feels good to you? Oh woe to you, Maureen, wake up woman! This is not about a man with flaws. It is about a crooked, evil man who is intentionally pissing on you foul stenching infected urine and laughing and gloating and mocking you while he does it and you bathe in and swallow and ride the wave in it. Yes I speak shockingly but that is what it is – this is how God sees it.
What impartation are you recieving when these men are such liars and false prophets and false teachers. Do you want to be a false prophet too? Do you want to be a liar and deciever and one who mocks God? Is it that important to you. Oh woe to you Maureen for your foolishness! Seek truth while it still may be found. Delight yourself in the Lord, not in sensual experiences. Seek the real fullness of Pentecost not this mockery of it.
You said it.
HAVE YOU TESTED THE SPIRITS? IF NOT WHY NOT? WHY IGNORE AND DISOBEY GOD. DON’T YOU CARE ABOUT TRUTH?
If you don’t – drink Todd Bentley’s piss then. GET DRUNK ON this counterfeit ‘new wine’ and become crooked like him and his associates and join the harlot church. But don’t claim to be following God, or be pleasing Him while you do so. And don’t say you were not warned.
Blessings and Peace! Whoever you are. Sorry I don’t know you or your name. Is it endtimespropheticwords!!?!
Maybe you should go to Lakeland and see for yourself, instead of believing you can understand it from watching it all on TV and then forming such strong judgements, which you cannot verify, despite your what you believe about that.
Testing the Spirits is, like I said before, looking for the fruits of the Spirit and TODD actually has HUGE GOOD FRUIT for those who WANT to see. Also that Fruit has been verified by those who are His Spiritual leaders and to whom he submits himself too. Some of these, I know and can totally attest to their character and their Spiritual Love and relationship with Jesus.
Maybe you should go to Lakeland and talk to those who have been radically healed eh! You might get more than a shock! WOW! You might even become a believer!
ABUNDANT PEACE, BLESSINGS and GREAT JOY be all over you.
So that means you’ll ignore the lies then? Which I can prove? Shame on you!
Do you really lack that much integrity? Do you really despise truth so much you’ll trample over it? You willingly exchange the truth for a lie, Maureen.
No shame on me! I don’t receive that curse word over me,at all.
In fact, I have the LIVING GOD IN ME and I AM FULL OF LIGHT, LOVE and TRUTH!
I am a NEW CREATION and I AM a SAINT of GOD meaning, ‘HOLY ONE’, And as a SAINT I am no longer a sinner, because my sinful nature died with Jesus on the Cross 2,000 years ago so ‘by faith’ I am redeemed and am now a New Creation.
Do I sometimes still sin? Yes, but that is no longer my Identity! My identity is that I am a SAINT of GOD and a NEW CREATION! If I believe I am a sinner then I will sin by faith, because that is where my faith lives. If I believe I am a Saint of God then by Faith I will live in my NEW CREATION!
That then is the Truth, and TRUTH is always expressed and rooted in LOVE. NO LOVE, NO TRUTH!
So we are ALL learning to live at that level in our truth eh! You and I. Living like I Cors: 13 speaks of. Love always believes the BEST and not the Worst, love is patient, kind gives mercy and GRACE and so on it goes. None of us have got there yet, but we are growing towards our destiny and our Inheritance in Jesus and HIS KINGDOM OF LOVE! Hey thats exciting eh!
So I SPEAK a BLESSING OVER YOU! To Love and to experience the DEPTHS and the HEIGHTS and to KNOW THE LOVE OF CHRIST which surpasses knowledge! Even the ‘knowledge’ of the truth.
Maureen, By what your saying, from your post, you make it look as if we can bring Heaven down here on earth. YOU never once mentioned ANYTHING about why mankind is in the state he’s in, in the first place! WHY? You claim righteousness, yet refuse to say why there isn’t righteousness to begin with? Why is it, people who are all for these so-called moves of God NEVER bothers to mention what KEEPS man from God in the first place? What in the world do think Holiness is anyway?
You really think we can bring the kingdom of God to people without the preaching of the CROSS of CHRIST? What do you think the kingdom of God is…heaven? If so I got news for you it’s not Heaven, the kingdom of God is on our hearts. There are two kingdoms, the kingdom of Heaven, where God resides, and the kingdom of God, where the spirit of God resides, in our hearts. You can’t have the Gods spirit residing in our hearts, without righteousness, you can’t have righteousness, without COMPLETE TRUTH! NOT even partial truth. JESUS said he was the way the TRUTH and the life, no one comes to the father except by me. So without the preaching of the CROSS of CHRIST you have NO truth, because Jesus said HE was TRUTH. We have diseases. cancer, mental illnesses, pain because we live in a fallen world, a fallen world corrupted by SIN, but yet you gave NO remedy for it, NOT ONCE!! Jesus is the remedy for these things, and YOU never mentioned him at all. You never even mentioned SIN and why these things we have are so. You want Gods spirit, but yet you want your sin too? Jesus said NO one comes to the FATHER except by “ME”. But you never mentioned Jesus! HOW can you come to God and receive all the things you said and by pass JESUS CHRIST? I got news for you, and I’m going to blunt about it, all you have is RELIGION and nothing else if you think people can ignore the SIN issue and by pass Jesus. THE EMPHISIS on real revival MUST be the preaching and the teaching on the CROSS of CHRIST, NOT lying signs and wonders, or even healing. If all you have is signs and wonders and healing then that’s where your emphasis is, so if you do receive these things without the preaching of the CROSS of CHRIST, then you can bet your top dollar your NOT receiving the TRUE spirit of GOD guaranteed!!!!! All those things you mentioned don’t mean squat, without JESUS and him crucified, go back to your bible and read and study what PAUL the apostle said about preaching another gospel!
All these new age movements, or new signs and wonder movements are NOT of God without repentance, you along with many others so elegantly pick and choose, what scipture sounds good, and use it to sugar coat the FLAT OUT FACT, that wihtout remission of SIN there is no revival!
By the way, atheist have a good life, they have good feelings about it, they have joy, in their eyes peace, happiness, money, health, the list goes on and on, but without Jesus all it is, is feelings, that’s it! You claim God is all for all of these feelings, well your right, and so does Satan, so long as he can use it to blind you. Atheist even have good works, they give to the poor, the needy, treat their neighbor good, most of them are upstanding citizens, they do more for other than some who claim God, but what separates them from Gods people..? There’s only one thing that can, and it’s not feelings, or works, or fruits of the spirit, some of then have good fruits of the spirit, their kind, gentle, loving, generous, but they have NOT the TRUTH of JESUS in their heart for salvation, which is the ONLY thing that can bring righteousness. All you have is works of the law, and nothing more, your trying to fulfill your own righteousness, by feelings, HOGWASH, it won’t stand up in GODS court, you’d better start putting your faith and trust in Jesus and him crucified, and forget feelings. Look, faith isn’t based on feelings, if feelings is all you want then that’s all your going to get, and when the time of TRUE testing comes, you won’t last, because you won’t have them feelings. Those feelings will be hardship, hurt, disappointment, despair, doubt, how then will you get past that, beings you based your trust on feelings?
I totally believe in the Preaching of the Cross Ron! I was saved through Jesus death for me and for my sin.
BUT NOW I LIVE FROM the PLACE OF HIS RESURRECTION and total VICTORY OVER SIN and DEATH! This has nothing to do with feelings!!
Everyday I live from the place of HIS DEATH AND HIS RESURRECTION by FAITH!! If I sin I then receive ‘by Faith’ ALL HE DIED on the CROSS to give me. COMPLETE FORGIVENESS, restoration and wholeness! So I can then continue to LIVE BY FAITH IN MY NEW CREATION BEING that HE DIED TO GIVE ME!
If we don’t ‘LIVE’ at that place then I am NOT tuly believing in the Resurrection and the VICTORY OVER SIN, that He suffered and died to give me and as Paul said, Jesus would then have DIED VAIN.
YES I Do believe we by faith can bring Heaven down to Earth!
WHY? Because JESUS SAID TO PRAY, “Your Will God, be done ON EARTH as it is DONE IN HEAVEN!”
That’s the VISION and GOAL OF MY LIFE to see ALL THAT JESUS DIED TO GIVE US, BECOME OURS, not just in theory or in a theology, but in actual experience and to see the Earth we LIVE IN TRANSFORMED BY HIS PRESENCE, LIVING IN AND THROUGH US HIS CHILDREN. That is why HE gave us HIS SPIRIT to LIVE In us! So we could be HIM in the EARTH and DO the SAME WORKS that HE DID! WOW!! How amazing is that eh!
So even if I never live to see the FULL Manifestation of that and HIS GLORY HERE, I have a VISION and I have a HOPE for the NEW HEAVENS and the NEW EARTH wherein dwell RIGHTEOUSNESS and where HE DWELLS and HIS CHILDREN LIVE IN RIGHTEOUSNESS and LOVE and PEACE, because HE THE KING IS LIVING, and not just existing, in and through US HIS PEOPLE.
Blessings, Hope that helps Ron.
Oh Maureen, why can’t you wake up from your la la land? You can’t tell what’s from God or not, you have absolute zero discernment. I’ll repeat what Miriam been telling you…WAKE UP!! Be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, to search the scriptures to see if it was so. I want to ask you…you know when Jesus said in Matthew 18:20, “For where two or three are gathered together IN MY NAME, there am I in the midst of them.”? (emphasis mine). Have you noticed they haven’t mentioned the name of Jesus in scripture, worship, or prayer? They don’t put emphasis on His name at all? It’s always God, Lord, Spirit, angel, “feel the presence of God”, etc., but hardly ever mentioned His name, which is JESUS. Be honest with yourself, while you were worshipping at one of Todd Bentley’s service or others like that, did you get caught up with the “feelings” of the worship songs, that nice, peaceful feeling, feels like you had a wonderful rest after a good nap? Are you focusing on Jesus or how you “feel”? Be honest now. Was Jesus’ name elevated, with adoration, and reverence? If Jesus’ name is not mentioned, He is NOT THERE! What you are feeling is a counterfeit, a false “peace”.
“And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.” (2Corinthians 11:14). As with Todd Bentley and his associates, the next verse after that it says, “It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.”
Don’t you see? In the last days many will be deceived “even the elect, if that were possible.” (Matthew 24:24) Do you think these counterfeiters are some quacks like David Koresh, Heaven’s gate cult, which everybody knows they are loons? No, they are WITHIN OUR CHURCH! The very people you trust!
Please Maureen, I’ve been there myself, I know what it’s like. I implore you, search the scriptures, test the spirits, and keep your eyes on Jesus at all times. Don’t go by feelings, go by what God’s word says, not man’s. Don’t believe anything they say that is “NEW”, “new-renewel”, “new revelation”, “new outpouring”, where everything is new and “up-to-date”. There is nothing new under the sun. It smacks of elitism, it’s pride. Remember what Jesus said about who’s the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? It is the servants, not somebody up in the pulpit shaking, jerking, head-banging, barking, and saying BAM! give me $25,000!
Look at it objectively, from the outside looking in. Read your bible. Ask the Lord for discernment. When He reveals these lies to you, repent, and run to Jesus away from these charlatans!
In Jesus name.
Maureen,
I don’t think testing of spirits means looking at the fruit of a ministry. “Do not believe every spirit since not every spirit comes from God.”
This means literal spirits can infect a person’s beliefs and teachings. Seducing spirits can be very deceptive. Spirits can glorify Jesus Christ or lead away from Christ. You also have to study what Todd is teaching and examine his teaching with scripture. Can you actually say with a clear conscience that Todd’s teachings are scriptural? Do you really think God is being glorified and reverenced each time Todd says BAM!? Isn’t He a Holy God- A consuming Fire?
Maureen, I think you have been confused on what Jesus said by praying for the will of God. When Jesus said that, he meant pray for salvation. Pray that Gods will be done on earth as it is in heaven. You must ask, what was the will of God?
Take this scripture for example, Gods not willing that any should perish but that all come unto repentance. So in this passage, it’s clear what Gods will is, for us to come unto repentance, and be saved. Jesus ask God let this cup pass before me, but nevertheless not my will be done but thine will be done. So here it is again, what was God’s will? Gods will was to send Jesus to the cross to redeem mankind.
Where do you get Gods will is to bring down heaven on earth?
Gods will in heaven was the same will he fulfilled on earth by sending Jesus to the cross for our redemption. Why do you think Jesus prayed that prayer to begin with, when in fact Jesus fulfilled it when he did go to the cross? You have that scripture all wrong, and have taken it out of context. Praying heaven to come to earth is utterly senseless, not counting the fact it’s not possible. Plus you are confused by the two kingdoms the bible talks about and I addressed that in my last post.
We can pray for Gods kingdom yes, but Gods kingdom is in our hearts, but the kingdom of heaven is not, that’s a different place we have yet to attain, and WON’T until we die if indeed we are saved by faith in the atonement of Christ. And by praying for the will of God, we are praying for his kingdom since in that his kingdom is in our hearts, pray that others receive this kingdom of God. So that they can be in heaven when they die. Your asking God to bring heaven down to earth in a fallen world, God can’t abide in sin. He can’t even abide in our hearts if there’s no redemption. You show me where in the bible it says that we can pray heaven to come to earth, it’s not in the book, not the book I’m reading, and I read the KJV bible. Now Christ will rein on earth during the millennium and the new Jerusalem will come down from heaven, and saints will also rein with Christ at that time. But this is NOT bringing down heaven to earth. The bible says my people perish by lack of knowledge, that’s a hard cold fact, have you even studied the bible and asked God to give you the meaning..? or do you just take it for granted someones right? Let me tell you, if you use one scripture for a reference, to try and prove a point, and and can’t find at least one other passage to back it up, then more and likely, you have taken the passage out of context. Besides all of that God is willing and wants to do a lot of things for people, but even he don’t get everything he wants. I bet you haven’t heard that before, you know how I know this? Look back at what I said. Gods not willing for any to perish but for all to come unto repentance, now, is ALL going to come unto repentance?, no, but that’s Gods will. You might have a will and dream that your child will grow up to be lets say a doctor, but you might not get that, why?, because of free moral agency, you can’t force you child, well neither can God force people, that would go against his nature. And as long as we have evil in this world, we all will have to pay a price. Be ye not deceived that whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Your praying for perfection, your not going to get it, you wouldn’t even know it if you even seen it. God never promise a bed of roses Maureen, a life without sin and death and sickness, but he did promise to get us through it. So long as we keep our hopes and trust in him, not our trust and hopes in bringing down heaven to this earth. It’s not what you go through that matters, it’s what you do with it that matters.
You talk about living in total victory, like one day we will have no problems, God will cure us of all our sickness and diseases, but victory, isn’t the lack of problems, it’s the overcoming them, despite them. I could go on and on, on this subject, but to advertise as if God will give us our request at the drop of a hat is not even CLOSE to the truth.
ONE day all of sin will be addressed, the former things will have passed away, but that is NOT something that we can just pray to happen, it’s already in Gods time clock, nothing we can do will change that. Stay focused on redemption for the lost and of yourself, not bring down heaven, which cannot happen anyway. GET out of the religion and GET into JESUS and the PEACE of GOD, forget the rest Maureen.
Hey Bub I got news for the ole fighter in you…be afraid be very afraid! The church of Jesus Christ has risen from the dead! (That is the dead denominational bondage that reaks with leftover papal residue! FINALLY!) GOD ROCKS and so does his silly 100% human but annointed guy- TODD– along with about a billion other tongue talkin Peticostals! I feel sorry for poeple like you all grumpy and downcast what is your personal life like geez. I PRAY THE FIRE ON YOU! FIRE FIRE FIRE HAHAHAHAHAHA! You just crack me up. Jesus is King he dosen’t need a Barny Fife next to him…He needs 100% human/YES men and women on fire! Put the pistol down!
Poop pee or GET OFF THE POT!
PS: BAM!
PSS: Sorry for all the typos…I guess you could call it writing in tongues!
This will be my only post.
1.There is a major lack of discernment amongst professing Christians.
2.Read your Bible and History, the masses have never turned to Christ.
3.We only have the Word of God that is totally dependable, yet it is hardly even quoted on sites like this. Heb 4:12
4.The Bible foretells a great falling away not a great coming to. II Thess.2:3
5.Fruit must be evident in a Christian’s life, yea freedom from sin. Matt 7:20, Titus 2:11,12
6.You people that are chasing around for the next big Bang in your life, how is your quiet time with the Lord, Bible reading and prayer in your closet. Matt. 6:1-18
7.How about victory over sin, you know, that sin that you never admit or confess or repent of.
8.See, you do not need to convince me of anything, it is God you answer to.
9.If you answer this post negatively then I will assume
that your conscience is not clear, because you need not convince me, but God. See I don’t know you and you don’t know me.
2 Peter 2
1-But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2-And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3-And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
What does it matter if Todd says BAM. It’s God that does the work anyhow. I think people can get into a mind set that God has to work through a person in a certain way. We have been programmed to think by the church that there is a certain way God moves. Why do we limit God by our man made thinking and rules.
There is therefore no condemnation for those in Christ. Some of these posts are very judgmental. I mean how do you know the mind of Christ and what He is thinking? How can you say that something is of the devil when there are people being saved and healed. I mean I have been healed of sickness just by sitting in the presence of God before. How
I think that people need to get into the presence of God and stop of this bickering about who’s right and who’s wrong and just focus on Christ. It’s not about me or Todd or anyone else for that matter.
I am sure that some people have been wounded by the church, but to say these meetings are of the work of Satan and speaking badly of others is wrong too. God would not be throwing out half the comments being sent out on this blog. There is definitely a spirit of division here. This is what is currently wrong with the church and part of the reason me and my wife almost gave up on church less than a year ago.
Satan will try to divide and will start with the church. Don’t give him a foothold and miss out on what God is doing in this revival.
Greg
This blog is interesting reading to say the least. I am an Assembly of God pastor who believes in the operation of the Holy Spirit and the miracle working power of God. I preface my comment with such to avoid silly accusations of “doubt” and “criticism” etc. The problem with such “moves” of God is the blind acceptance of manifestations that are chalked up to being of God because the name of Jesus is being mentioned. I think though, that a lot of the frustration that comes from supporters of the movement is the ammount of revelation of the false and fake without a commendation of True moves of God or authentic Healing ministries or ministers. My advice to the moderators of this blog would be to share some Godly ministries that are rightly dividing the word of truth. Places where people can hear the un-adulterated word of God, preached under the annointing of the Holy Spirit with signs and wonders comfirming the Word of the Lord. The Lord bless you for the work you are doing.-
ps- Faith Assembly of God is located in So. California, in the Palm Springs area for those that are seeking a spirit filled church that is preaching Christ and Him crucified! The Lord bless you.-
I live in Lakeland, Florida, just a few blocks from Pastor Strader’s Ignited Church. I have lived here for 30 years. Google the criminal history of the Straders if you want to find out what kind of person is leading the Ignited Church. I went to one of the Strader’s previous churches back in the 80’s (Carpenters Home Church) and found the same thing that is now at Ignited , except back then it was Rodney Howard-Browne performing the “healings”. I know not to trust anything that goes on at a Strader’s church. I am saddened to see the same thing happening all over again – different decade, different “healer”, same old bs.
Lisa: can you give some specifics. I know about the criminality/fraud cases, but what about documented lies and bs from the pulpit?
If I.. a 16 year old can tell this is the work of Jesus and you cant then I think you need to rethink your life and get closer to god. NO EVIL WANTS HEALING FOR OTHERS think about it Satan does not heal he destroys cant you see that what GOD is doing through Todd Bentley and the others in Lakeland IS GOOD and evil does NO GOOD that’s basic logic. And Satan would NOT raise the dead so that they can give their life to God. That is God’s work only.
And This work at the revival is not Todd’s it is Gods as you will have seen even when Todd went to attend his wedding anniversary with his wife, The same stuff still is happening.
If you cant recognise gods work then you are not saved and you will unfortunately have to face it on judgement day.
So please think about it no one deserves Hell.
And Lisa…… ever heard of Forgiveness
If what is being done in Lakeland is false, it will go away. If it is of God it will continue. Everybody wants to judge everyone. STOP! Love your neighbor as yourself. This is why the Secular world gets a bad taste in their mouth about Christianity. To para-quote Smith Wigglesworth, “If you are not praying, seeking God, reading His Word, obeying the commandments or not fellowshiping, You are backsliding.”
Don’t seek men for the answers, seek ABBA Father. We are commisioned to love so let’s start doing it.
The Bible says no man shall judge to not be judged. Dont mutter your title or society position you are wrong when you think that you’re wright. Repent
To all of you out there that claim to be christians why are we always trying to discredit our fellow brothers and sisters? Such disunity among God’s people. Are we then serving God or satan? What ever happen to asking God for some discernment? I have watched the revival on TV and I also went to Lakeland. Weather or not Todd Bentley is allowing the Holy Spirit to lead and guide him that is something he will have to answer to on his day of judgement. If your not sure if he’s the real deal how about a little PRAYER. If you are truly saved and the Holy Spirit is within you God will give you discernment. Instead of critizing him HOW ABOUT WE PRAY FOR HIM….Wake up Christians we are to uplift one another not tear down. TO ALL OF YOU OUT THERE WAIT UNTIL YOUR DAY OF JUDGEMENT…I want everyone that reads this to ask themselves one question: HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU LEAD TO HELL WHILE PROFESSING TO BE A CHRISTIAN? Instead of waisiting time complaing about Todd Bentley or some other people WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING. PRAY PEOPLE PRAY.
It is interesting that the most(every one I’ve spoken with)person who criticizes there being a tongue without an interpretation, come from a church where tongues WITH interpretations don’t exist. This is interesting to me.
As a matter of fact there church is nothing close to being like the church that Paul describes in I Cor 14:26 How is it then? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
How does someone who have never even experienced tongues with interpretation, even comment about tongues without.
Come on!!
Mark 16:15
The Call: And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned.
The Empowerment:
17. And these signs will follow THOSE WHO BELIEVE. In MY name they will cast out demons’ they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents, and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick and they will recover.
Unfortunately, organized religion(mostly int he U.S.)argues this away…
Jesus Christ of Nazareth commissions us to PREACH THE GOSPEL, heal the sick, and cast out demons – however, preaching the gospel, repentance, bowing the knee to Jesus Christ as LORD seems to be missing in these internet video feed events. Please hear me out:
DISCERNMENT – If your child keeps asking you, “Dad/Mom, who gets the house when you die”, or “who gets the cars and your money when you die?” – And your children stayed focused on your benefits and your stuff and pursuing these things, how would this make you feel? You would probably be hurt and wonder why they don’t want you. Wouldn’t you want them to know that an automatic bi-product of knowing you would be your stuff and that they shouldn’t seek after your stuff, rather what is most important would be their wanting to spend time with their Mom/Dad?
There is a tremendous amount of energy spent by people traveling to these meetings, seeking after signs and wonders (God’s stuff) Please – It’s simple – We are to abide in the vine. Psalm 91: We are to “dwell (live and stay in) in the secret place of the Most High and abide (live and stay in) in the shadow of the Almighty…” The gifts of the Holy Spirit, having that divine appointment, and ministering in the superNATURAL power of our Precious Father will be an automatic bi-product of abiding in the Vine (in His presence).
This year, I have known the Lord for 30 years, and throughout this time, my wife and I have experienced THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY/GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISSAC, AND JACOB work in tremendous, powerful, and miraculous ways, in us, and in the lives of many He has used us to minister to. It is amazing to me how many people who have been Christians for many years have a problem recognizing Him. I have to say – and not being boastful – but after walking with The Lord for 30 years and in His Word, you get to know Him, His character, and His Heart. From knowing Him and His Word, you can recognize what He would and wouldn’t do according to what He laid out in His Word. I have to tell you, when I see these internet video feeds, for the most part, I do not recognize my Precious Father – The Holy One of Israel.
MINISTERING IN GOD’S POWER AND AUTHORITY – We must not be ignorant to the schemes of God’s enemy. Question: According to the Word of God, how long does it take for Satan to show up to kill, steal, destroy, deceive, distort, distract from, and pervert what God has done or is doing? Immediately, right? So, check this out – When in a meeting where God is obviously moving in His awesome power, ministering to, delivering, and setting his children free, we must know the enemy is present at the same time. Allow me to explain: I have seen the gifts of The Holy Spirit move in power and so beautifully, and then, even as the person being ministered to starts rolling their head around, slurring their words, thrusting their hips, or whatever – the pastor or the person God is using to minister should then take authority over that which is trying to pervert what is going on. Listen people – In Matthew chapter 5 when Jesus delivered the man that had a legion of demons, in verse 15, as this man was ministered to, he was then “sitting, clothed, AND IN HIS RIGHT MIND. And they were afraid.” Right Mind: sophroneo Strong’s #4993 – To be of sound mind, sane, self controlled, serious, moderate, SOBER MINDED, RESTRAINED, DISCIPLINED, and able to reason.
A WORD FROM THE LORD TO A PASTOR (WILL YOU DISMISS WHAT GOD SAYS HERE?) A pastor friend once explained he was in the back of a church meeting where many were being “slain in the spirit”. Side note: This pastor lived a lifestyle of always acknowledging God in everything; asking for wisdom. This pastor, knowing and experiencing His Father in heaven as always guiding him, leading him, and instructing him, and moving with tremendous power through his life, while standing in the back of this service, he prayed and asked God to teach him and show him where He (The Lord) was working in this service. The Lord spoke to his heart and let him know very clearly that He (The Lord) desperately desired to bless and minister many things to his children in this meeting, however, those leading that service were allowing the enemy to short-circuit these opportunities in the following ways: The Lord brought this pastor’s attention to a lady that was upfront in line to get prayed for. The Lord wanted very much to deliver her from what troubled her with healing and deliverance, but more importantly, God wanted her to leave with specific instruction for her to follow and walk in after she left that meeting so her lifestyle would reap the things of God, not leaving opportunity for the Satan to steal from her any longer. However, the people going up for prayer were falling down instead. This has been a popular device of Satan. If he can get you on the ground – you will not get your instruction, deliverance, or the specifics of what God has for you. People – just because something is commonplace does not mean it is from The Lord. How can all these ministers be wrong? Again, I believe God is there and is moving – but I also know that Satan is there too, and that many ministers are not walking properly in God’s authority as His ambassadors! Because of this, these meetings are a tremendous playground for Satan and his demons. In fact, these events become Satans’ nightly entertainment!
CAN THIS BE TRUE? Satan is pretty slick. He will not try to get you (a believer) to do something wrong! Rather, he would want you to do the right thing wrong – doing the right things in a wrong way. Pretty slick right? Satan masquerades around as an angel of light. Scripture tells us not to be ignorant of his devices.
DRUNK IN THE SPIRIT – Many Christians use the scripture in Acts (Acts 2 entire chapter) to back up this behavior. Please read this scripture for yourself. It is clear that there were devout men from “every nation under heaven” present. The countries they represented are specifically listed: Parthians, Medes, Elamites, Mesopotamia, Judea, Cappadocia, Pontus, Asia, Phrygia, Pamphylia, Egypt, parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes. Verse 11 says they heard the disciples speaking in their own tongues the wonderful works of God. The focus of this passage is that the disciples were speaking in tongues – but very clearly in these various dialects so that they were clearly understood. Not drunken and slurring their words. These devout men did not have to struggle to try to understand them – Verse 12 says they were all amazed and perplexed. Here were blue-collar Galilean fishermen speaking clearly in several dialects to the point that they knew this was a miracle which caused them to ask what this could mean. If the disciples were wobbling around, acting drunken, and falling down, they would have dismissed this. The word does not say they were acting drunk. It only says there were others (not the main audience) that dismissed it by mocking and saying “They must be full of new wine”.
BIG RESPONSIBILITY – Many Believers want the power of God to move. Many believers want to walk in His power. This is fantastic – but please asks yourself – why? For what reason? If we are to do one small thing in the Holy Spirit of The Almighty God – is not there to be fear and trembling? Should we not have the heart and mind of humility, brokenness, and reverence? Yet the opposite is seen throughout this country. Many platforms are filled with egos. Many websites resemble modern-day temple money changers selling their books, DVDs, and CDs.
THIS IS OUR FAULT – Scripture is clear. We are to bring “all the tithe into the storehouse” Mal. 3:10 Why do I go here? Christ is the head of the church. He gave some to be apostles, prophets, evangelist, pastors, and teachers (Eph.4:11) It is clear that God established His church and that throughout scripture we are to submit to Him and to the authorities He places us under – yet Christians send their tithe (offerings) to various ministries all over the country side. Don’t shut down here – check this out – If we, believers – brothers and sisters of the same family of God – directed our entire tithe and offering to the local church that God directed us to attend, and if the only place these individual ministries got their support from were from the church and not from individuals – then the church, who has the responsibility to be submitted to Jesus Christ and His authority, would be lead to direct, support, discipline, and maybe even eliminate some the rebellious ministries that are so rampant today.
IN HIM AND WITH HIM – Please, it is simple. His yoke is easy and his burden is light. God loves you so very much. No one can ever accuse Him of child abuse. And if you simply seek His face and abide in Him, asking Him stuff, acknowledging Him with your every day everything, I can make you a guarantee: You will not be disappointed! God doesn’t want you to chase signs and wonders all over the country side. He doesn’t necessarily want to doing stuff for Him – but He does want you to do everything with Him and in Him. Doing stuff for Him (trying to do Christianity/trying to be a Christian) is religion. Doing everything with Him and in Him is the relationship that God has yearned for since He created man in His image.
God gave us minds,and expects us to use them.None of these proclaimed men of God are Jesus the Christ,so dont worry about blaspheming the Holy Spirit.Jesus knew we would live in an era fraught with false prophets and deceivers..do you honestly think He expects us to blindly follow every Pied Piper that comes along?DO some research about this guy William Branham that Todd Bentley claims to be getting his angels from.This dude was looney as all get out,a true heretic,deep in error of all sorts!!!We are to judge,to test the spirits,otherwise we would be forced to be fools.Dont let decievers hide behind claims of being Gods anointed..every born again believer is Gods anointe,dont you realize that,Christians?This is scary stuff,remember ,miracles happen at Virgin Mary shrines,too.Alease Davis
I got tired of reading some of these messages but what I did read, I am responding to,,
Read Matthew 10,,,
JESUS said, (vs7&8) “As you go, preach this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven is near.’ Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give……….”
Does it say to preach the cross? No, the cross is part of the good news. There is so much more to the cross, I do not take the cross lightly, one bit but,,,,what about the resurrection? HE is no longer dead, He no longer hangs on the cross, He is victorious over death!, He has triumphed!, conquered! He took out the enemy! He made a spectacle of satan! HE disarmed him!, Satan and his demons are defeated! The only power satan has, is only that, which ‘we’ and GOD allow. What about freedom from sin? What about deliverances? What about a new hope of a life that is eternal? What about a supernatural God, who can do all things? What about LOVE? What about prayer, intercessory prayer, praying for your friends, your enemy? What about sacrifice? What about the part where Jesus remembers our sins NO MORE, as far as the east is from the west. Our sins are erased, forgotten, forgiven, Which brings up, FORGIVENESS?????
Oh Yes, and angels, The Angel of the LORD, Michael and Gabriel, what about them? They still exist today. Do they not? YES! They do. What about the Comforter, Jesus left to be with us, THE HOLY SPIRIT?
There is so much to share with others. It doesn’t have to be only the cross, tell the whole story of JESUS!
Mark 16:15-18 NIV) “He said to them, ‘Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.’”
I believe all of this. Paul was bit by a poisonous snake it had no effect on him. Just as a sting by a bee to someone who is suppose to be allergic, (like me) it had no effect on me when it was taken to the LORD in prayer.
Early on in this blog, you talk about Todd, needing to be corrected???? Ok, what does the Bible say about correcting your brother? Evidently, you do not know, because you have not taken the proper steps.
Matthew 18:15-17 (NIV)
1) “Go and show HIM his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.
(2)But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.
(3)If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church;
(4)and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you wold a pagan or a tax collector.”
Don’t point fingers,,,, you have 3 pointing back at you or how about 6.
They call people like me Pharisees caught up in the JezebelSpirit.But dont you realize that Jezebel loved the prophets,in fact surrounded herself with prophets?The problem was that they were False prophets!Have you ever studied William Branham,the man whos Angel Todd Bentley claims to be getting his healing power from?Branham is highly revered in Charismatic circles,I know because I am one(was one),at this point I dont know what you would call me)Branham taught so many heretical doctrines,it is truly frightening.His parents were nonbeliebers,and had dabbled in the occult.A light was reported to have appeared at his birth.He taught that woman is the most evil of Gods creations,Eve had sexual intercouse with the Serpent,there is ni Trinity,any Christian who calls themself by a denomination has taken the mark of the Beast,that he was Elijah the Prophet,that Angels appeared to him while in a cave,giving him insructions(this happened on many occasions.Photos(if they are genuine)show him with what he called the Pillar of Fire above his head.Now,I hate to even say this,it sounds so crazy,but this thing above his head appears to me to be phallic shaped.Look up the photos,and judge for yourselves on that one.A young man,in Canada,who enthusiastically assisted Branham,while there on a crusade,had an interesting story to tell.After Branham left,in the months that follows,this young man was dismayed and heartbroken to discover that those healed by Branham,in fact were not healed at all.Some died.This is the man who Todd Bentley claims to be getting his healing angel from!And,no,I am not afraid of Blaspheming the Holy Spirit,Touching Gods Anointed,or being struck dead,Sapphira style.We Christians have allowed ourselves to be frightened into silence,by these threats,for far too long.I tell the truth.and I love Jesus Christ.He gave me a curios and enquiring mind.I accept nothing at face value.ALWAYS LOOK DEEPER<IF SOMETHING IS TRUE<IT WILL HOLD UP…If not,you will find out.(Please forgive my spelling errors,I am a one finger typist)The fact that people are getting saved is wonderful,but it does not make a leader from God.When I was 15 I joined acult called Church of Bible Understanding.I genuinly accepted Christ.There was just enough truth to have the doctrine of salvation taught.But the other 95% was false teachings by a leader called Stewart Traill.I cannot begin to tell you the damage and havoc it brought into my young life.When I left I had a nervous breakdown.Get out of this heresy while you can..RUN!!!!Alease D.
ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS ARE GODS ANOINTED>DONT BUY INTO THE FALSE TEACHING THAT ONLY SO CALLED SPECIAL CHRISTIANS ARE GODS ANOINTED>WHEN YOU ACCEPTED JESUSTHIS IS A FALSE DOCTRINE INVENTED TO TRY TO SAY WE ARE NOT ALL EQUAL IN CHRIST<ANDTO TRY TO BRING US INTO SUBMISSION TO THOSE WHO HAVE THIS SPECIAL GIFT<WE ARE NOT LIVING IN OLD TESTAMENT TIMES<WHEN ONLY KINGS AND PRIESTS WERE ANOINTED<WE ARE PRIESTS THROUGHT CHRISTS DEATHDONT BE DECIEVED<MY BORN AGAIN BROTHERS AND SISTERS<YOU<YS<YOUAND SO AM I!!! Alease D.
W were given theHolySpitit when we accepted Christ.He is a Person,how can we have part of Him,more of Him,a double portons of Him,a triple portion of Him.When my husband married me,he got all of me.Since then he has learned more about me every day,and visa versa.But he did not get part of me,more of me, a special gift of me,a triple portion of me.I know this sounds silly,but Im trying to make a point.If the Holy Spirit is a Person,how can we have part of Him,but not all of Him?Todd Bentley believes that both the Holy Spirit and Demonic Spirits can inhabit the same person.Hes always casting demons out of Christians.Show me this in the New Tesament,demons sharing a human body with the Holy Spirit.The demons cast out of Mary Magdelene was before,or as,she accepted Christ.Would the holy Spirit live with a demon.Could a demon withstand the Holy Spirit?It all sounds ridiculous to me.Alease
I agree with what is written in #201 (someone who loves God) People need to read this again.
Yes, people might be getting ministered to, however, it is obvious that satan is showing up and is being allowed to manifest in these people right at the point of their healings and deliverances.
Never in scripture do you see someone acting like a weirdo as they are being prayed for.
I believe this is how the enemy is infiltrating the camp. Christians (multitudes) are leaving these meetings in worse condition, more in bondage than when they came.
Jesus Christ is to be your “All in All” not Todd and not signs and wonders. Again, signs and wonders are not to be the focus of our attention.
Scipture clearly says that false prophets will work powerful signs and wonders in the last days and that the elect will even be decieved.
I dare you to answer this – WHAT WOULD HAVE TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN FOR YOU TO RECOGNIZE DEMONIC ACTIVITY? the thing about being decieved – the ones that are decieved do not realize it.
Do you love the Lord enough (ARE YOU HUMBLE ENOUGH)to ask Him what the truth is? I have. And like #201 says – I do not recognize The Lord God Almighty in the Todd Bentley shows.
As a Pentecostal believer I am greatly disturbed at the way pastors are willing to suspend proper Biblical judgment and ignore seeking the gift of discernment.
Thankfully some pastors are waking up and becoming more alert to these issues. The pastor at the local A/G fellowship refuses to cave into an elderly saint who insists that Bently is God’s man of the hour. He continues to stress revival as he seeks to win the lost in our community.
Another A/G pastor that I sat under for years has almost completely left his Pentecostal roots. He hosted a revival as an evangelist saw many visitors including some converts make their way to the alter. As he watched greed enter the evangelist’s heart, he brought the special services to a close and refuses to invite him back again. Having met the evangelist myself, I only wonder why he didn’t shut him down sooner. Sadly, the pastor is turning toward a seeker sensitive approach and forsaking Pantecostalism and the call to repentance.
I can’t believe what I am reading about what you say of the Man of God. I am simply asking you to please stop talking about Todd Bently and His ministry. You are not proving any point to anyone who has experienced the love of God and His consuming fire through the ministry of Rev. Bentley. All I read is a bitter spirit coming from your words. May God Bless you as you continue to find your way to the Lord and His truths.
Amen JP – More and more pastors need to protect thier flocks by taking a stand: teaching their congregations what is right knowing that some will leave. It is sad to see many in a church in our community being seduced and pulled in by this circus act. And when I say seduced I mean this literally. There are seducing spirits associated with this show (sorry, I cant call it a ministry)
But Myron, JP is not giving his mind to his own bias – he, like myself – we are simply appauled by someone who is misrepresenting our Father and Lord. Would’nt you be upset?
It is so amazing to me to see how many believers are being decieved by this guy when a child can spot this scam a mile away. It’s not like it isnt obvious – you dont have to look real hard. And it is not a “we dislike him” situation or “we dont like his style” or the fact that he has tatoos – it is the fact that he is giving major ground to the demonic! Satan is using him to infiltrate and cripple the ranks. What has to actual happen for you to recognize demonic activity? answer that! People like JP and myself are bowing the knee asking God for the truth in this matter and having it confirmed over and over that this is a fraud.
There has never been an authentic revival that revolved around a man. Yet, with Todd, his followers speak of him and defend him as some sort of elitist. Someone privelidged of the Lord – give me a break!
Obviously there is no reasoning – nothing that can be said. Time will tell, but then there will be someone else putting on a circus act and people will be chasing after that person and not The Lord. That is the very prophecy being fufilled!
From Todd Bentley: During this visitation the pastor’s wife (it was an AOG church) got totally whacked by the Holy Ghost- she began running around barking like a dog or squawking like a chicken as a powerful prophetic spirit came on her. Also, as this prophetic anointing came on her, she started getting phone numbers of complete strangers and calling them up on the telephone and prophesying over them. She would tell them that God gave her their telephone number and then would give them words of knowledge. Complete strangers. Then angels started showing up in the church.”
“Squawking like a chicken” and “barking like a dog” are attributed to the Holy Spirit by Todd Bentley. This is blasphemy. His “angel” Emma is the described in the same way by Johanna Michaelson, author of The Beautiful Side of Evil, in which demonic forces portrayed themselves to her as being full of goodness and light. It was only later that they revealed their true faces to her. These counterfeit angels are bringing further confusion on the church and promoting doctrines of demons, namely the idea that we need to see into the supernatural realm and that we need the intercessory help of angels. Hebrews 11 tells us that faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen! But that won’t draw a crowd like these “manifestations”.
Fair warning!
{18}Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. {19} He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
- Source: Colossians 2:18-19 NIV
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http://endtimesdeception.com/?cat=31
God TV Europe
I am interested in why God TV Europe is still promoting Todd Bentley and appear not to have used their spiritual discernment and basic common sense (no rudeness intended) to see that there are serious and glaring issues. People are not being negative but are saying – hey there is a problem here, please stand back and look at it. I have written to God TV Europe and AOG (UK) a very basic and straight forward email with details of what I have seen with my concerns from the broadcasts that I and my Christian friends have watched. This was prior to me googling Todd Bentley and seeing that others also have concerns.
There are plenty of examples and Bible quotations in the comments. So I am simply going to ask my question – is God TV Europe and the AOG evaluating what is going on – how long does it take to continue to promote someone that many people have serious spiritual concerns about?
It is interesting how differently each of us views the Bible, God’s character, and the way He does things.
When I read the Bible and the various miracles, it seems to me that God took pains throughout His involvement with man to not
allow himself to be ‘put in a box’ or to become predictable to man.
I believe we take for granted the way God has involved Himself with man. Let’s get real. I can guarantee that if a voice began to speak out of a bush that was burning with fire, declaring himself to be God, the critics on this site would be screaming, “It’s demonic, it’s demonic.” And you would have never led the children of Israel out of Egypt
What about if you were holding a stick and it turned into a serpent in your hand? Would you discern this as being from the Lord, or would react typically to your current reaction.? “It’s demonic, it’s demonic”
What if you were ill and God told you to go dip seven times in a muddy river? Come on! We have read about this for years, but what about if we had never heard of God’s miraculous hand? If your pastor told you to go dip seven times in a muddy river to be healed, would you discern this as being from the Lord? Or would you do your righteous best to have him removed, in the name of God?
What if you went up for prayer and your pastor ran outside to get some mud, came back in and began to rub that mud in your eyes? Of the Lord or demonic?
God has done no miracle the same…He has turned water into blood, sent frogs, lice, flies, parted seas, raised the dead, had a large fish swallow up and vomit out a man, allowed a woman to touch the hem of His’ robe to be healed, and even raised up a hammer out of the water because the man had borrowed it from a neighbor.
I waa raised Baptist, so I myself have had a critical spirit. Sadly, it took God years to break me of it. And He used an interesting Scripture to do so.
In II Samuel 6 the Ark is brought back to Jerusalem. During the celebration, which often includrf dancing unto the Lord, it says in vs 14 “Then David danced before the Lord WITH ALL HIS MIGHT, and David was wearing an linen ephod.”
vs 16 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with Shouting and the sound of trumpets.
If only we celebrated God the way they did in days of old: With all our mights.
But here’s the kicker: David’s wife had a critical spirit..
20. Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, “How glorious was the king of Israel today, uncovering himself today in the eyes of the maids of his servants(oh, doesn’t she sound so holy)as one of the base fellows shamelessly uncovers himself!”
In the natural mind, she sounded like the holy one before God. Becasuse God couldn’t possibly be pleased with David’s actions. God couldn’t have possibly been blessed by David dancing more Israel half naked in the streets. So, holy Michal was going to rebuke those actions.
But as it turns out, God was pleased with David’s heart, but not Michal’s prideful one.
vs 22 I will be even more UNDIGNIFIED than this, and will be humble in my own sight. But as for the maidservants of whom you have spoken, by them I will be held in honor.
Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death
Similarly, she did what many with a critical spirit do today. They attribute to Satan, that which is from the Lord Believing themselves to know God’s heart, but truly knowing nothing of who He is.
GW,
Colossians 2:18-19 great scripture when looking at Todd’s teachings. Need anyone say any more? If that doesn’t convict and set people on the straight and narrow then they truly wish to be deceived.
Dear Reader
Thank you all for having a part……..
You have to be educated before you judge anything, if you beleive the Bible is True then you will understand what happening in this world as well whats happening in Todd’s meetings. Bible says satan never against his own kingdom or destroy his own kingdom…. and he naver support for God’s kingdom…. if Todd bringing people to God’s kingdom God never hate or against it….. all mirecles can happen by the name of God but, if there no salvation for people then, am 100% agree what this article says……………. but if you see Todd’s meeting so many wonders and mirecles happened as well as people Saved thou!!!!!!!!!!!! you cant never judge anything onesided………….. you are correct but not the way you see this meetings in Florida……….. If you love Jesus and his Kingdom then you ll love this meetings in Florida today and love Todd………….
Todd is doing a good work for God’s kingdom and he is trying spread the Gospel of Jesus around the world………..
so thank God for his ministries … and be part on this …………
becareful & watchful …. of your salvation ….. Jesus is coming Soon…………………………
Kathryn (#215),
It is not the miracles I have a problem with. I have experienced and seen miracles that would blow most away. What I and others have a problem with is 2 things
1) When Todd prays for someone, the enemy comes immediately to pervert what God may be doing – you can see the change happen as the person being prayed for starts acting out in all the wierd manners – When this occurs, he or any other minister needs to take authority over this. The fact that it is not discerned, recognized, and dealt with allows a demonic stronghold to begin to take root in that persons life and they end up leaving in worse shape than when they came.
2) Todd is asking people to believe in his angels. He literally is telling people that they already believe in Jesus, and now its time to believe in his angels: the angel of finances, angel of healing, EMMA, etc… He is literally saying that Jesus is a stepping stone to bigger and better things when Jesus (God) is to be your “All in All” Thats the problem, not the miracles! Please do not be decieved any longer Cathryn.
Sorry, I spelled your name incorrectly Kathryn with a K – sorry
Kathryn (#215),
I re-read your comments and got to thinking – You are correct in that we cannot put God in a box or in categories that we are comfortable with. You are also correct that it is walking on very thin ice to attribute anything God or His Holy Spirit is doing to satan. It is also a very frightening thing to rebel against Gods’ annointed and join the ranks of Korah where the ground opened up and swallowed them up with their belongings.
It is also a huge responsibiltiy to walk in Gods’ authority and operate in the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Many treat this as a play thing, instead they should walk in fear and trembling. However, many seek the signs and wonders rather than the Lord Himself. Their priority is wanting a sign. They get caught up in the experience and emotionalism and this becomes an idol.
The arguments you raise are good ones, however, does this mean whenever there are signs and wonders we are NOT to use discernment?
Are we also to check our brains at the door?
And you must know that just because there are signs and wonders does not mean that God is the one performing those signs and wonders. You do know that, right?
Matt.24:24-26 “For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible , even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore, if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it.”
2 Tim. 4:3,4 “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.”
In addition to this, God tells us in His Word something about His Word:
2 Tim. 13-17 “But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. But you must contunue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspriation of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God MAY BE COMPLETE, THOROUGHLY EQUIPPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK.”
Todd is teaching that you need additional revelation. Yes he is! Todd teaches that you need more. “Come and get some!”, he says. And that you will get this “more” when you accept his angels so you can go with him to the third heaven. “You need to open your mind” Bob Jones and Todd together were teaching that everyone should go into the third heaven at least once a day and that Bob helps many children go there. And that when you begin to enter the third heaven, it smells like vanilla, the vanilla smell is the annointing. Then you get the to point that the “hooks come out” as Bob put it. Thats right, the hooks come out in the thrid heaven. These are the sins and weight of this world, etc… Sounds good, right? (that’s the seducing spirit at work)
Well, what if Bob or Todd said there were ice cream sundaes for everyone up there in the third heaven?
1) Would you believe it?
2) Would you dare question it?
3) Would you test the spirits according to God’s Word?
4) What do you use as a guideline? The Word? If its’ not found in The Word, what are you basing your discernment on? Where is the measuring stick or line of demarcation?
Robert Liardon said in his book that when he was taken up into heaven, that he saw a large star of david in heaven and then they gathered in a large stadium to worship and when Jesus came in, that Jesus sat right next to him in the front row.
How do I know this is not true? I know for a fact its’ not true because the star of David is not in scripture anywhere. It was in fact one of the gold idols that was given to Israel in the exodus. I also know that Jesus did not come and sit next to Robert Lairdon in a stadium in Heaven where they gathered to worship because Jesus will be the object of our worship in Heaven. “Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever!” Rev.5:13b
Again, Todd Bentley is saying clearly that God told him the people already believe in Jesus, now you need to get them to believe in the angel! They need to believe in the supernatural.
Kathryn, there is a strong seducing demonic spirit at work here. Jesus is not the focus of these meetings. Todd is the focus. The signs and wonders are the focus. Todd’s angels are the focus. They are getting the glory.
Every true revival throughout history had nothing to do with a man.
ANYTHING THAT MAKES SOMEONE LOOK IN ANY OTHER DIRECTION THAN JESUS CAN NOT BE FROM OR OF GOD!
“But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel (good news)to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have recieved, let him be accurse.” Gal.1:8,9
I pray God protects you and that no weapon formed against you will prosper.
Hey what about Oprah? Is she not teaching a false doctrine? Yes, she is and it is growing. MIllions of people perhaps billions are going and being brain washed. To me, when I see this, She is coming as a False christ and false prophet. She has major influence on all people. They have watched her from the 80’s? She is introducing “The Secret”. Leading many astray even Christians, those who do not know the word.
What they say sound like something you would find from the Bible but it is not. It is twisted and many are believing that there are many ways to get to heaven. You can have your own god and you can live in sin without consequence. Sin doesn’t exist because with sin comes a sacrifice and if you have to have sacrifice then happiness cannot exist and god wants us to have perfect happiness. To me,,,,that sounds demonic and many of God’s people are being deceived. So sad.
I think maybe you need to let the world know about Oprah.
look whoever wrote this you do know that people do get things wrong?? you do know that things from God ie phropecies can be distorted by our minds the devil etc! the human mind cannot understand phropecy and despite how many theological courses we go on it will not be enough. not one christain can say they have given a phropecy or a word of knowledge that was a 110% accurate or even correct. we all make mistakes we’re human. since people of God cannot under stand the Holy Spirit or indeed the gifts of the holy spirit then they or we as christians resort to doing what has been mentiond in a few of the posted articles above.. ie bitch backbite an so on. i could through scriptures at you for the rest of eternity but but i wont for goodness sake stop it support ur Brothers & Sisters In Christ. Trust In YESHUA
Read the comment written in numbered#36. I wholeheartedly agreed with him. while I was not in Florida at a service, I watched on line. People are seeking the healing, not the Healer, the gifts and not the Giver of the gifts. The apostles never, in the former rain, asked that they be aknowledged or praised. The praise went to God. Sin was dealt with first, then healing. I do not see the blood of Jesus here.
The problem I have with most critics of the Lakeland and other revivals: God is moving mightily elsewhere, as well…
They generally come from backgrounds where displays of emotion are forbidden. Satan has successfully managed to take away worshiping God with ALL OUR MIGHT! OT reveals an acceptable form of worship:
II Samuel 18:6 Now it happened as they were coming home…that the women had come out of all the cities of Israel, singing and dancing, to meet King Saul, with tambourines, with joy, and with musical instruments. So the women sang as they danced…
Ps149 Let them praise His name with the dance.”
We all have Concordances, we can all find the various ways that God’s people expressed their love and adoration for Him, Old and New Testament.
ITim 2: 8 For I desire therefore that the men praying everywhere, lifting up holy hands without wrath and doubting.
My point is that God created us with emotions, and I believe that He wanted those emotions expressed to Him. We have no problem expressing our God given emotions in every other area(I’ve seen how men act over their sports teams and the emotions expressed with they score)I think God wants a little of those emotions expressed toward Him in praise and worship. He gave us these emotions; they aren’t sinful when expressed.
Another point in this area is it seems that the critics would rather have NOTHING out of fear of people getting in “the flesh” I say, “SO WHAT” We are fleshy people.
A. When the Supernatural meets the natural, something is gonna give:
IKings 8:10 And it came to pass, when the priests came out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the Lord, so that the priests could not continue ministering because of the cloud; for the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord
IIChron 5:12 …and the Levites who were the singers…clothed in white linen, having cymbals, stringed instruments and harps, and with them one hundred and twenty priests sounding with trumpets-indeed it came to pass, when the trumpets and singers, were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the Lord, and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the Lord, saying: :For He is good and His mercy endures forever.” that the house, the house of the Lord, was filed with the cloud, so that the priests could not continue ministering because of the cloud, for the glory of the Lord filled the house of God.
7:1…and the glory of the Lord filled the temple, and the priests could not enter the house of the Lord, because the glory of the Lord had filled the Lord’s house. When all the children of Israel saw how the fire came down, and the glory of the Lord on the temple, they bowed their faces to the ground on the pavement, and worshipped and praised the Lord..
More and more people are realizing that experiencing God’s manifest presence is not wrong. There is power in His presence. There is deliverance in His presences. There is healing in His presence. And more and more people are getting tired of others telling them that they shouldn’t seek His presence and ALL that entails, which is going to be and expression of emotions.
B. When people are set free from years of bondage, I say let them praise God with all their might, even if it seems a little weired to people who lack love and embrace a critical spirit.
Todd is doing what God has commissioned us to do…preach the gospel, heal the sick, raise the dead…etc. Who here has right to say how anyone is supposed to respond to the manifest presence of God. I’d rather have a few people acting weird than have nothing at all, which really is what most with a “religious spirit” want, nothing at all, if it’s not done according to how they believe it should be done.
So, bottom line, what is it that you want? For Todd to be shut down?
Angels: I have been TIVOing the Lakeland Revival and have yet to hear Todd speak out of balance concerning angels. Perhaps I missed it. So, all I will say is go to your Concordance, find angels, and read of their purpose. They are mentioned frequently.
“There is coming a time of testing. Forsake thy sinful ways. Look to Calvary, for I have brought you out with My right hand; to lead you into a land flowing with milk and honey.” This is a prophetic utterance that was given a few weeks ago. I believe that we are in, and will continue to enter into times of testing in the “evangelical church.” This country is in a state of biblical ignorance like we have never seen before. If judgement begins in the house of the Lord, then let the people of God pray in repentence and turn from our idolatry and sin.
ps. YOUR “FEELINGS” ARE A FAULTY TESTER WHEN IT COMES TO JUDGING THE CLOSENESS OF YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. WE NEED ONLY BE LED BY THE WORD OF GOD FOR IT ALONE IS THE FOUNDATION FOR OUR FAITH IN CHRIST.
I am happy that someone is writing about these things.
I agree, that people need to be warned of this.
I went to a conference of his (only for the first few days… I refused to go to the rest)
People need to read the word, because if we really knew the bible as soon as some prophet speaks something AGAINST the word (or something taken out of context) it helps us to discern what is really going on.
Many of the responses say that he can’t be used by demonic spirits because he says he does things in the name of Jesus.
Number one… lots of the things he says don’t involve God.
Eg..We’re gonna bring the glory… (Who’s glory?)
From the videos I have wated I have not heard him speak of “Gods glory”.
And only God can bring his glory.. we can’t suck it out of him and spread it around.
And just because he may mention Jesus every once in awhile dosen’t mean he really is a Godly messenger. Remember… even the Demons admit to a God… so can a false prophet.
2 Peter 2:1
[ False Teachers and Their Destruction ] But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
Hmm heresies..
-Visitations of the third heaven (QUESTION MARK!?)
-Recieving and taking your Angel Emma. Who births these ‘outpourings’/revivals…(Whoa back up there bud, Angels are messengers of God.. Only God can birth outpourings and revivals)
-Gold dust prosperity messages… (QUESTION MARK!?)
Gold dust… um.
One thing I realize is that wiccans delight in natural resources… Wood, Water, Stones… most likely gold too!
I could see one of them throwing gold dust around but not a Christian speaker.
Ah well. those are my thoughts.
I haven’t read much of the above article but it is very interesting that many critics have no power themselves and can only use what they have their mouths. Before you criticise someone who God is evidently using make sure that you are doing sometihing constrictive yourself.
Kathryn,
I agree – We need to worship God with everything we have, and if that includes expressive dancing, singing, shouting his praises, etc.. – thats great. the problem is, that is not what is happening in their ministry times.
People are screaming in pain. Men and women feel like something is trying to split them in two, like their heads about to explode with burning. Women are seen bent over as they run through the room because they feel that something is sexually ravaging them from behind. These are all quotes and if you would like, I can point you to video feeds where you can see this for yourself, and to the testimonys from many that describe the above.
Men and women say they are forced to the ground by unseen forces against their will and held there while they are screaming in torment.
God will not override the free will he gave us. Another words, He will never force Himself on you, overpower you, control you and violate what He set in place (your gift of free will to choose)
Other video feeds: Todd explains his visitation from these angels (angels who did not identify themselves). He talks about a “portal” pillar of fire that appeared to him. He asked God what it was. God told him it was a “portal” and he was to get into it. Once he did, Todd says it transported him into heaven. Once in heaven, 4 angels (who again did not identify themselves)tied him down on an operating table, cut him open while he was screaming in torment. Todd say his guts came out and saw his internal organs. Then these angels? started to stuff him with white boxes, etc… then it continues to get very ubsurd from there (if you would like to see this clip, let me know. This resembles an alien abduction.
I love your heart for worship. I have led worship for over 20 years and share you heart, however, please show me in scripture where God communicates to His people with fear, torment, holding someone down against their will – over-riding their free will where they are screaming in pain and fear uncontrollably while they are forced to the ground and held there?
A PORTAL IS described by another prophet as a gateway to the demonic spiritual realm. It is a 2-way path. You can go in, however, at the same time, armies of demons come out. It origins are from the Dahli Lama, from Tibet, from witchcraft, and the occult.
Once someone opens a door to satan and the demonic, the demonic forces have a legal right to move as they will in that persons life.
In a family, if the head/priest of the home gives the devil a foothold, satan has a legal right to infiltrate into the whole family and down through the generational line.
However, in the case of this movement, the strategy is – if they can seduce the leader, then they have the legal right to infiltrate the entire camp.
It gets worse –
Todd focuses on “getting your impartation”. Another words, we will impart into you what is happening in the siritual realm here. Then you are to take that back to your church.
This is very dangerous.
People from our church visited another church in our area who just came back from Lakeland. They were passing around a peice of coal that Todd prayed over. Each person held the peice of coal while they prayed that what Todd imparted into that piece of coal would come on to them.
So do we denounce this movement?
No church is perfect. We’re human and make mistakes. When a pastor makes a mistake or stretches a scripture beyond where he should, should we throw the baby out with the bath water – NO! We are responsible to check everything with the Word of God as the pastor is responsible to rightly divide the Word of God.
This however is different. It is not a church that is making an occasional mistake. It’s spititual foundation has been corrupted. Jesus is taught in subtle ways to be a stepping stone to bigger and better things. “You must believe in the angel” “You must honor the angel of finances” when God is to be your source.
Todd is saying that those that are opposing his movement are being used by satan when the exact oppostite is happening.
The seducing spirit in this movement is very strong. The attractiveness, the pull, the draw is powerful. It is amazing when people see and hear for themselves what is described above and are still decieved not recognizing anything wrong.
“It is not the critic who counts, not the one who points out how the strong
man stumbled or how the doer of deeds might have done better. The credit
belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred with
sweat and dust and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short
again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and
spends himself in a worthy cause; who, if he wins, knows the triumph of high
achievement; and who, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so
that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know
neither victory or defeat.” -Theodore Roosevelt (1910
It is easy to “hide” and be critical in the blogs. Why don’t you stand up and get on the front line battle for Jesus? Why are your castle walls high and gate closed? You need to examine your heart. Like Hank Hanograph you are quick to beat up things that don’t fit in your “box”. God doesn’t and never will.
Some are so willing not to be conformist they will open any box , until they find and open some Pandora box. They don’t even see the darkness and stench from hell that comes out from there. Maybe they think having found another pearl of great price ; what have they done of the original one ?
Huhtala: it’s Hank Hanegraaff just thought I would throw that in there in case someone wanted to Google his name, not being a correctionist here.
The fruits of the Spirit include gentleness, peace and SELF-CONTROL–not the bizzare displays of total lack of all control that we are seeing in Lakeland. What is being demonstrated there is the exact opposite of what the Holy Spirit produces. We pray for discernment for our brothers and sisters in these last days.
This article is ridiculous.
No repentence, no salvation. No Gospel, no Christ. Man-centered, fleshly excess exhibited by lost sinners recognizing need by the small spark within them, but led into great darkness by antichrist spirit. Bentley claims that man can “go beyond the Holy Spirit”. That is enough for me. Go beyond God? And so many defend his evil work.
Peter,
The “box” is God’s revelation. His Word. We are to follow it, and not go beyond it. It will not make your flesh feel good. It will not “give you your best life now”, not as man views it. Standing for Christ will bring suffering and persecution in this life. Or would you dare call the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, a liar? You may hate doctrine, but the Christian is commanded to obey–not to be saved, but because he has been. The Christian obeys in grateful love and great fear of a Holy God. Pick and choose only what does not offend your flesh, and you will die in sin. Go to Jesus. Repent. Confess. Ask for forgiveness. And read His word. Maybe you will see that in Matthew 7 He commanded that we not be critical of the motives of those who obey Him in love.
God, have mercy. Jesus Christ warns us of false teachers. He said we would know them by their fruit. What is the fruit of a teacher? Yes, their teachings–their doctrine must be held to the light of the Scriptures. Public teaching (prophecy, for us) is to be judged by this light. A wolf will lead you to follow Him, even while he destoys you. Many will prophecy in His name, cast out demons in His name, and perform miracles in His name, and yet they will hear from the King of kings and Lord of lords, “Depart from me, sinners, I never had a relationship with you.”
GW, yes, I would appreciate any links to anyone who has been at the Lakeland revival.
Also, I’d like Scripture references for this:
“A PORTAL IS described by another prophet as a gateway to the demonic spiritual realm. It is a 2-way path. You can go in, however, at the same time, armies of demons come out. It origins are from the Dahli Lama, from Tibet, from witchcraft, and the occult.”
More or less references to “You can go in, however, at the same time, armies of demons come out.”
I’m familiar with “Generational Curses’ and demonic control, etc.(I believe power must be surrendered, by a Christian, however, as the Christian has all authority over Satan and all demonic forces)
The whole “one goes in and many come out” is new to me.
Gotta have Scripture for that one..
Appreciatively,
Kathryn
Kathryn,
The “portal” thing can be found in books by Theosophists/New Agers; but, I’m guessing you knew that already. In fact, that’s where you’ll find a lot of Bentley’s teachings. However, they’re masked in Christian lingo.
I can’t even begin to remember every comment to which I wanted to respond, so:
First, I’m tired of everyone ONLY concentrating on the false prophets and signs and wonders.
Acts 4: 29 The Apostles PRAYED “Now Lord, look on their threats, and grant to your servants that with all boldness they may speak Your word by stretching our Your hand to heal and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus. And when they prayed, the place where they were assembled together was SHAKEN, and they were all filled with Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word with boldness.
NOTE: they ASKED for signs and wonders
Acts 14: 2: …but the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brethren(sigh). Therefore they stayed there a long time, speaking boldly in the Lord, who was bearing witness to the word of His grace GRANTING sings and wonders to be done by their hands.
And Stephen full of faith and power, did great wonders and signs among the people. Acts 6: 8
I would recommend highly one getting out his Strong’s and looking up signs and wonders and seeing how God often had sings and wonders accompanying the preaching of the Word. Those gifts were given to all from Jesus on….
(So, what is the criteria for a true minister of signs and wonders? That the people don’t move a muscle while being healed?)
Also, in keeping with “the box”, God’s revelation and keeping it: Actss 5: 14- And believers were increasingly added to the Lord, multitudes of both men and women, so that they brought the sick out INTO THE STREETS AND LAID THEM ON BEDS AND COUCHES that at least the SHADOW of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. And a multitude gathered from the surrounding cities to Jerusalem, bringing the sick people and those who were tormented by unclean spirits, and they were ALL healed.”
Acts 19:11 Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, so that even HANDKERCHIEFS AND APRONS were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them.”
Can you imagine, seriously, the “field day” the critics were havin’ over that? Oh my! I can guarantee there were screams of “idolatry” toward those who dared take an item of his clothing to heal their sick. I can guarantee that many “discerned” this as being from the pit of hell….because why in the world would God use a mere man’s clothing to heal the sick? Wouldn’t that draw too much attention to THE MAN!!
I mean where is God in all this? What in the world was He thinking? Doesn’t He understand that this will take the glory away from Him and put it on Paul?
I will tell you what He was thinking. He was thinking that, from the time He created man, He has chosen to line up with them to do His work; to use them as vessels, extensions of Himself. Literally, being his hands! We are carriers of God not only in word, but in deed.
And those who understand this, as did our forefathers, will do mighty things WITH Him, and those who don’t, WON’T.
John 14: 12 Most assuredly(strong word there)I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also, and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it
Please note that along with preaching the kingdom, almost His entire ministry was a healing ministry, full of signs and wonders(even something that would have gotten a few tongues wagging: being concerned with wedding guest running out of wine and therefore turning some water into wine for said guests. Yes, he seemed to care about “the little things.”
“According to your faith, let it be done unto you.”
GW, of the five fold ministry: Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Preacher, and Teacher…I’d be curious to know, of the current
five fold ministry, those of whom you DO approve? You’ve listed many, many of whom you don’t; but I’d love to have a few on your approval list. Thanks
Kathryn, you asked : So, what is the criteria for a true minister of signs and wonders? That the people don’t move a muscle while being healed?
In the Gospel , when Jesus healed the sick or cast out devils, those were all in their good sense, even the poor demonic man of Gerasa Jesus delivered from a legion of demons. Some praised God and worshipped at the feet of Jesus, others were more ungrateful. But all were in their good sense although in a great joy. When the Lord Jesus delivered me from alcoholism, or when He healed me of a heart beating too fast and of various pains , I felt nothing at all except pain is gone and deep peace. It is true i’ve never been in a “healing revival”, Jesus does things marvelously where you are.
Kathryn,
You are fond of the book of Acts. Here are some verses to consider, beyond those you selected to defend the man-centered religion of these deceivers. “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.” Has anyone at this circus been convicted of sin and called to repentance by the preaching of the Gospel? Right–the Gospel is not preached here. And what is the gift–the Holy Spirit, not angels, not out-of-body experiences, none of this fleshly mess. People came seeking salvation from their sin and heard the word “REPENT”. “Save yourself from this crooked generation.” “And they devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching…And fear came upon every soul, and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles.” Are any in this mess devoting themselves to the apostles’ teaching? No, their itching deaf ears prefer the occultist, new-age spiritualist, demonic angel garbage spouted by men with seared consciences who are greedy for temporal gain. Do any express a fear of a Holy God, One Who can cast both body and soul into hell? No. Instead they are giddy with “drunkenness”, and the Holy Spirit, Who teaches us of Christ so that we may become like Him, here supposedly causes people to act like animals and call out to angels for money. Okay…yeah. And Peter, after performing a miracle in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth–did he allow any to focus upon him? Not a chance! He magnified Christ, and again called all who saw to “repent…and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out”. He said, “why do you stare at us, as though by our own power or piety we have made him walk?” Such blessed humility! Such glory and honor for the Righteous One! Is this not lacking in this sensual circus? Yes, our Father uses His faithful servants to do great works that bring others to glorify Him; “Here am I!” they answer to His call, and having done all they were commanded, they say, “we are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty.” And so let us remember to judge rightly, by the word of God, not holding one man as more pious than another by the work he does in view of others,but judging each by how they hold to revealed Truth as it stands for all time in Scripture. By this do we honor our Lord, by abiding in Him, and by rebuking those who lead others into error, that those who submit and commit to the Truth may be saved. May the Lord have mercy. By the way, judging the relative piety of men, or the motives of the heart, breaks the command of Christ in Matthew 7. But we must judge the words of those who propose to teach, that the flock might be protected from the wolves in sheeps’ clothing.
I will give you this, GW, I watched the first part of the video with Todd, Bob Jones and Patricia King, and I definitely question it. I’ve had some experience with what I’ll call New Age, though it’s def not new, and that does sound like out of body contacts/experiences
After discerning ; ) the spirit behind some of these emails I’ve read, and being shocked at the venom and lack of love. I must apologize for my own attitude, and the way I’ve been critical of all your responses.
If Todd is unsaved and being deceived by Satan, or even if he is saved and deceived, we are called to love. It is one thing to judge the fruits; it is another thing entirely to spew hate and venom. Judgment should come from a heart of love. I don’t see the Fruits of the Spirit in very many posts, including my own, though I sound more sarcastic than I truly intend.
If Todd is wrong, he should be treated like any other creation of God-whom God loves dearly-with heartfelt prayer of true concern. When we respond with criticism, bitterness, and anger(all under the guise of “righteous indignation” we are opening the door to the enemy and actually bearing his fruit.
Matt 7:1- is obviously talking about the self righteous attitude behind our judgment.
I will try to be less sarcastic in my responses.
Kathryn – read some of Jesus remarks. You’d have rebuked him too – turning over the tables in the temple was so divisive and unloving (and they were not nearly the crooks Bentley is)! And calling the pharisees ’snakes’, he obviously had a spirit of criticism and opened the door to the enemy and was not bearing good fruit by his speech, by your reckoning! Yet he was loving – hmm. Must mean soft love is not biblical love – tough love is sometimes called for, too. Will you be biblical or will you be politically correct?
He was dealing with people with a religious spirit, attributing to Satan that which was of God. They didn’t recognize the signs of the times. They didn’t recognize truth when they saw it. I see no similarity to Todd. I see more similarity of this in you.
My apologies, I singularly referenced you in above comment, and it was not to you I was referring, but to critics, in general.
Kathryn, GW here.
The Five Fold Ministry: Certainly scripture tells us that Christ is the head of the church and that He gave some to be Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors, and Teachers, and it is a wonderful thing when the five-fold ministry is allowed to function as God intented.
My cautions do not come from denying miracles, the prophetic, or anything that God wants to do according to His Word.
My caution stems from who Todd is taking his marching orders from – according to his own words in the following video you will see in this link: http://endtimesdeception.com/?cat=31
Once you are on this page, please 1st scroll all the way to the bottom of the page to the 2 videos (part 1 and part 2) to see where Todd bases the foundation of his entire movement.
This is the video where Todd is visited by spiritual entities that do not identify themselves and ask him to enter the portal.
Portal scriptures: I never mentioned I had any. I just found it odd for 1 prophet (Todd) to say God told him to get into one and another prophet saying portals are gateways to the demonic. Google YouTube and search “Gates and portals” for this video.
Then, if you get back on the link: http://endtimesdeception.com/?cat=31 , scroll down to the third video feed from the top. This is where Todd says God told him that we are to believe in the angel; that they already believe in Jesus.
Here is the link where Todd suggests we honor the angels: the angel of finances, healing, and Emma http://www.etpv.org/2003/angho.html
This is a tremendous article on angels, however intermixed with truth, there are a number of things that do not line up with Gods’ Word –
Testimonials from those that have attended: Please read throughout that “end times deception” page and then you might as well watch the other video feeds as well.
It is lengthy, but there is also a prophetic word on that page from a gentleman in 1965 that witnesses with my spirit.
Hope you are doing well.
Respectfully,
GW
Kathryn:
If Todd is wrong he should be treated like any other creation of God-whom God loves dearly-with heartfelt prayer and true concern.
Yes you are correct in that statement, and we shouldn’t be critical, and I will admit I have at times myself done that. I try not to be to harsh about it, but sometimes I get carried away.
A side from that though, what would we be and where would Gods people be if everyone sat by and let false teachers do their thing and said nothing due to loving them? You know you can love people to hell in that frame of mind? Should we just sit by and say nothing? Well yes we should pray for them, but what good would that do if no one pointed out their errors? We are Gods vessels, and God uses us to speak and we have the bible for God to speak to us.
Even atheist are Gods creation but yet you wouldn’t want them to do Gods work if they aren’t called or in error would you? I would say not, and if one did would you then say nothing and do nothing?
Todd is not just in some error a little here and a little there, the guy is way out in left field. Left field is what you would expect from an atheist, but not from someone who claims to believe in God and the bible!
So absolutely he must be exposed, evidently hes not hearing from God. We can pray this, that he takes those who do expose him serious and turn from his false teachings that’s leading people to HELL, that’s being blunt but TRUE! God is speaking to Todd, and I see it on the net everywhere. I know of and heard from good God fearing heart felt ministries that are confirming what’s on the net about Todd’s teachings, and their saying the same things, Todd needs to be exposed, and none of them are trying to make Todd feel like hes unsaveable, but that he needs to get on the right track with his teachings, Hes off coarse badly!!
Peter wrote of false teachers: “They are blots and blemishes, delighting in their deceptions as they feast with you, having eyes full of adultery and always looking for sin, seducing unstable people, and with hearts trained in greed. Accursed children! By abandoning the straight path, they have gone astray…These people are springs without water…The gloom of darkness has been reserved for them.”
And Paul: “But even if we or an angel from heaven should to you a gospel other than what we have preached to you, a curse be on him!”
How unloving and critical!
“If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a slave of Christ.”
Ron, I agree with you, I was merely referring to the spirit behind the exposure.
Darren – I agree with your very wise comments. God bless you brother and keep up the fight as a soldier in our Lord Jesus’ Army.
Perhaps this will be my last post. There is no need to debate for the sake of debating.
I was raised in what I call a “franchise” church: Baptist. They were certainly Christians, but lacked power and did not know the true heart of God. They also taught false doctrine and left out whole books of the Bible. When we gathered together as believers, there was no similarity to the gathers of the first believers: I Cor 14:26
“How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, had an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.”
As I did not get into the Word myself, I simply believed everything preached from the pulpit. I walked away from the Lord when I was 18, coming back in my mid 20’s. I certainly don’t have the years in the Word as some of here, but I’ve studied it a little bit.
What I do see throughout the Bible is people having experiences with God. Everyone that God used mightily, had mighty encounters with Him. Perhaps they weren’t seeking the experience, but they got it.
I see also, that they weren’t perfect. The most amazing account of this, to me, is from Elijah. How in the world could he have the faith it takes to call down fire from heaven(IKings 18) and then the next minute run in fear from Jezebel, end up in the woods, praying that he would die. And he had seen God’s miraculous power on more than that occasion. How many times did the angel have to come to him before he shook off his depression? More than once. God had to send a bird to feed this mighty prophet because he was so depressed and fearful.
Why God chose to line up with we humans, I will never know…LOL
Jump ahead: The best thing that ever happened to us was the day of Pentecost: Prophets prior had to be anointed for specific purposes, but we now He’s available to all. Thank God for that empowerment. Thank God for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Of course, when Jesus came, people experienced God even more. I think it quite wise of God to lend variety to the way He revealed Himself to His creation. See Miracles in your Strong’s. What a wonderful way to shut the mouth of man who would try to limit God.
Of course, Satan is the counterfeit. But his counterfeit is always based on something that IS REAL AND TRUE. Fear of Satan’s deceptions has allowed Satan to steal so much from man in his interaction and experiences with God. Which usually means removal of power.
There seems to be a discrepancy of what will take place in the last days, so I will end with this wonderful Scripture:
Peter who was transformed after being filled with the Holy, from a man unable to stand up for what he believed to a mighty man of God
Acts 1: 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were filled with the Holy Spirit, and began to speak with other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Now that is experiencing God!!! Not anywhere in there do you see them “testing the spirits” (I know we have to test the spirits; don’t start on me)
But the best part of all this is am amazing revelation:
The people thought they were drunk, but Peter gives them/us a revelation and insight:
Acts 2: 15: To the critics he speaks:
For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But THIS IS what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God.
That I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh
Your sons and DAUGHTERS will prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions
Your old men shall dream dreams.
And on My menservants and on my maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
And they shall prophesy.
I will show wonders in heaven above
and signs in the earth beneath
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke
The sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon into blood
Bfore the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord
And it shall come to pass that whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
So, God used people as vessels to do the miraculous
God sends dreams
God give visions
God uses his creations, male and female to prophesy
God sends his angels to His bidding
So, let’s go to I John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are from God…
AND WHAT ARE OUR GUIDELINES FOR THIS: VERY SIMPLE
VS 2. By this you will know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.
Todd Bentley isn’t perfect. I pray that there are spiritual fathers in his life to guide him in wisdom as he moves in revelation and power. But I’m not ready to say that it is Satan’s power that is on Todd. I do believe wisdom must be adhered to, but I do believe that this is a move of God. And
that in answer to many prayers of revival in this spiritually defeated nation and as God’s return is soon, He is revealing Himself in power and might…
Satan gets waaaaay too much credit…Way too much! You’d think he was God, or something
Please take time to pray protection for Todd, Shawna, Dave and those involved in Fresh Fire. It has the potential to be a cult, with the strong following Todd has. I don’t think they have crossed that line yet (or at least not as of a few weeks ago) but the enemy is definitely attacking them. There are many involved that are sincerely and genuinely seeking God for Who He is, and God promises that those who seek Him will find Him. But, as was mentioned several times as well, there are many who are seeking what God can do, the signs and wonders, instead of the Author and Finisher, and so are open to any manifestation. So, that could be why both sides (Todd’s a false prophet, Todd’s a man of God) are fairly strong about their positions. There are God ordained happenings at Fresh Fire conferences, but there are also twisted and strange happenings.
Now isn’t that wonderfully politically correct, we are all right!! HA HA!!
I really don’t care about that, but God has a bigger purpose to this, and He is sharpening us through this process. There are some amazing insights that show a lot of depth in the faith journey, but there are also some awful accusations and yucky attitudes (kind of like the mix at the meetings). Remember, we are all suppose to be on God’s side. Keep sharing, reading the Word and sharpening each other…
And keep them in your prayers, especially through June 7 if that is the God ordained timeframe for them, including discernment for those involved. We will not let the enemy take any more, as much as we can pray to prevent it. God is sovereign and His purposes cannot be thwarted. So pray His will be done.
Blessings.
ps I attended a conference sponsored by Fresh Fire, but not any in Lakeland. I also know several people involved in Fresh Fire as their base is in a neighboring community.
Heeeey, who stuck the smiley face in my post…?
What’s up with that? : )
I think you are correct. you comfirm what i have been thinking about this todd guy. i live in lakeland were he preaches and every day i see a huge amount of people going to that church. my father’s friend, looked this church and guy up online and found him to be demonic. you can just tell by the way he looks and smiles. i even heard him laugh and it is not very pleasent. it sounds evil. once i went to southeastern university and he came, he pasted out envilopes asking for money to raise this “ignited” church. and on his page up top it reads “fresh fire”, the name “ignited” means, in flames. what kind of “man of god” would proffess dark titles like the ones i have mentioned?
What does the Bible say about correcting your brother?
Matthew 18:15-17 (NIV)
1) “Go and show HIM his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over.
(2)But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.
(3)If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church;
(4)and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you wold a pagan or a tax collector.”
Peace
This is a site for gossip, which is a seductive spirit. A site for critics which is a critical spirit. Beware of the things you say and do. GOD is watching and He sees everything and knows everything. GOD is in control, not the enemy.
If GOD is for me, who can be against me.
Th th th th th thats all folks
Angie – that scripture Matthew 18:15-17 is used out of context by you and is not talking about judging false prophecy or things done in front of many witnesses.
And BTW, if you really believed this, why did you not come to me in private first?
Angie….In truth, there are some who post here that have a critical spirit. The devil always has his plants among the brethren. So it is up to each of us to discern truth and false. That is the Christian life, isn’t it? While some think that no harm can come to us because we are Christians, then why would all the warnings in the NT be given to believers?
Read 2 Cor. 11:3-4. There, Paul is writing to people he knew were already saved. He is warning them about receiving another spirit, brought to them by a false prophet. This spirit, in addition to the One they had received from Jesus.
That Scripture should also be considered by those who do not believe that evil spirits can be in a Christian. …DavWms
Public teaching is not the subject of Matthew 18, which concerns the restoration of a straying believer in the local church. Public teaching becomes public knowledge, and must be measured by Scripture. We should avoid judging what we cannot know, such as people’s motives, but we must judge teachings–Jesus tells us to care for the flock, so allowing wolves to teach heresy to His little ones under the guise of false humility, or “judge not…”, or “let us not be critical” is to allow a breach in the integrity of the faith once for all delivered to the saints, and thus to allow great damage to the flock. This “uncritical” line of thought allows “choice” in belief, and is not biblical. Airesus–”to choose”–to depart from the truth–HERESY. Choose your own course of belief and you are to be considered a heretic (airetikon in the Greek–translated “factious” or “divisive” in Titus 3:10). But now, if one reproves heretical teaching, his spirit is “discerned” as “critical”. People, this is critical! A false gospel is damning, and must be openly refuted and rejected. “But even though we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed.” Galatians 1:8. “Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God…” 2John 1:9. Angels who fetch you money…Emma the spirit guide (demonic by the way)…”go beyond the Holy Spirit”…
Let me ask you “uncritical discerners”, how far is too far? Revival will come when God’s people submit and commit to stand within the boundaries He has set for us, not living in lawlessness and “choice”, and contend for the once-for-all delivered TRUTH. There will be people who call Jesus Christ “Lord”, who prophesy in His name, and who will perform many miracles, and yet these are false prophets if they practice lawlessness by refusing to abide within God’s boundaries, and thus prove they have no relationship with Christ–read Matthew 7:20-23. Children of God, pray that the western church be purged of spiritual adultery, pray for God’s mercy to be extended that many may come to repentance.
Preach it Brother Darren!
Amen Darren!
Thank you Darren
Acts 5: 38-39
“Therefore, in the present case I advise you: Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from GOD, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against GOD.”
My last comment
I have a question concerning Matt 7:21 It says,”Not everyone who says to Me,’Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, BUT HE WHO DOES THE WILL OF MY FATHER IN HEAVEN.
So, I was just curious who here is walking in the commission of Christ, with signs following: Mark 16:17 AND THESE SIGNS WILL FOLLOW THOSE WHO BELIEVE(believe in Jesus) IN MY NAME, they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues, they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly it will by no means hurt them, they will lay hands on the sick and they WILL recover.
I was just curious if this resembled anyone’s life here. Those you who are greatly concerned with “doing the will of the Father” in Matt 7 Because it says those who do the will of the Father will enter the kingdom of heaven. And we are called to pick up where Jesus left off in His ministry.
Of those of you who have clearly discerned that Todd is basically demon possessed, and that you have all authority over that. Why not, based on Acts 16, where the Lord, after three days of her following him, opened up Paul’s eyes to the fact that the girl had a spirit of divination, and cast out the spirit. Clearly, of Todd, you feel as if your eyes have been opened.
Rather than sit around posting on a website of how evil Todd is, why don’t you go take authority over the spirit. The way you talk, he is the devil incarnate. : ) I would think you would want to deal with it rather than have debates over it.
Wouldn’t that make more sense? That seemed to be the way Jesus(and what we are told to do)handled demonic forces. He took authority over them.
And with what I’ve read on this site, it doesn’t seem to matter whether the person agrees or not(free is not involved)you have all authority. So, go take care of business. Todd is just a vessel of a demon that needs to be cast out. Go deal with it. Go cast it out.
Kathryn – you are right, we could take authority and cast out the spirit of divination. But that is not the main issue at all with Todd. The main issue (as I keep saying) is him making things up and lying. It is not even as if he is sincerely seeing these visions or angels in the first place and being led astray by counterfeit spirits – rather he is a pretender. While you can cast out a lying spirit, you cannot stop someone lying unless they repent.
Well….. Todd Bentley finally made it to MSN….. In the MSN Extra People section…..
extra.msn.com/people.aspx?GT1=34122
Oh, ok, so you, endtimespropheticwords, and Darren, are not on the same page. I suppose my comments were directed to him, then.
Let me be clear: You don’t feel that he has a “lying spirit” which is why you don’t go cast it out. You just believe that he is lying, in general, and thus won’t stop until he repents. Is this correct?
But wouldn’t you agree that a spirit tempting a person to lie would be more of an “oppressive” spirit, rather than the person actually being possessed with a “spirit of lying”?
There is a huge difference between oppression and possession. I highly doubt that Todd is possessed with a spirit of lying. I highly doubt that Todd is possessed at all.
Kathryn
I do believe there are spirits that could be cast out Todd Bentley – he is dark indeed – including lying spirits. But my point is that it would not do much good because he is an intentional fraud and liar and needs to repent and this work does not come from deliverence but his own volition. If his mind is corrupted and bent towards lascivousness and greed – and has no fear of God so will make it up as he goes along – then only he can help himself in that regard by repenting! One cannot be delivered from SIN and CORRUPTION except by confession and repentence. So many spirits could come out of Bentley but if he is still corrupt, what good does it do, they will just go right back in and he would still lie! He needs to stop sinning!
The slave girl example is not at all relevant in this context. She was not inventing her prophecies and the spirit of divination was really reponsible for what she really ’saw’. Todd however does not see most, if not all the things he claims to ’see’ to begin with, – he brazenly lies about them and invents them – so it is not a spirit of divination is it, he prophesies by, it is a lying spirit – his own – but that is because of his lust for fame, money, whatever and his SIN – and not a demon’s fault so much – though demons’ happily assist and he helps demons out too. He teaches the doctrines of demons and imparts demonic stuff.
Satan met Todd in the desert, and Todd accepted his offer. That is clear to me.
Hi there,
Is it not simpler to ask the questions -
Are people coming to know Jesus as Saviour?
I have heard of many coming into the kingdom through the lakeland revival.
Can demons be cast out by satan? (that’s the inference if one is saying Todd Bentley is not operating under the power of God)
Jesus was accused of that and warned us against grieving the Holy Spirit when we are labelling what is of God as being of the devil.
None of us are perfect and I’m sure Todd is making some mistakes as we all do, but at least he is out there trying to help people through the power of the Holy Spirit and the risen Lord.
The scripture “Judge not or you will be judged” would make me wary of casting any stones….Todd needs our prayers of protection from accusation, judgement and criticism so that he can keep on the right path and see people coming into the kingdom, broken lives healed and restored….. How many of us, who are writing on this blog, are seeing this happen through our lives on a daily basis?? I admire him for stepping out….May God bless him and continue to keep him on the right path…. And bless all of you guys who are concerned about it. I think God is big enough to defend His own corner….wouldn’t you agree?
ETPW, I’m almost certain that I am going to regret asking this, but isn’t it a tad bold of you to speak as if you are 100% certain that he is intentionally lying about what he experiences. How is it that you don’t feel that a demonic spirit is revealing itself to him, thus he “believes” that he is telling the truth.
This is what Darren believes.
I, of course, believe you both to be wrong, but that is neither here nor there.
One of you believes that he has opened the door to the enemy and demonic forces(spirit guides)are revealing themselves to him and the other believes that he is lying about ALL of it, making it up as he goes along.
I guess we all have a different opinion about Todd. Guess only God knows the heart. I suppose if I had to choose between the two of you, I’d have to go with Darren, because I don’t believe that he is intentionally lying. IF IN FACT, he is being deceived, I believe he did have an experience with the supernatural and believes they were from God.
Perhaps because I’m more familiar with that situation, with my sister(through yoga, after she renounced Jesus)opening the door to spirit guides that ended up wreaking havoc on her life until she once again called on the name of Jesus
and a friend who had a mother who opened the door to the same. It was a six year horrific battle for her(my sister) and us.
Demonic indeed.
Yes it is bold, but I can bold when I am certain about something – why do you refuse to listen to truth or reason? Have you seen the amount of contradictions in his tall tales? He contradicts not only God but himself – the signs of a sure liar. Have you noted his body language? (If he was sincerely decieved by demons he would not contradict himself would he, it is only liars that cannot keep their own story straight).
I also say he is opened up the door to dark forces nonetheless.
Well, as Satan is a liar and the father of lies, he could and would contradict himself.
Give the guy some grace. He only gives bits and pieces of recaps. We both know that when doing so there may appear to be some discrepancies, but it is but the way the story was retold that caused the confusion. Blatant lying is not necessarily the intention. Perhaps he is overzealous..; )
Kathryn – would you give Todd so much rope if he were not a Christian? Like if he was a doctor or politican? I think not.
Miriam, HOW DO YOU DO IT??? I guess you have more patience than me because this is what God has called you to do, and He has equipped you well. Half the time while I read all these comments supporting Bentley I want to pull my hair out in frustration! How can these people be so blind to what’s going on here? God is VERY clear in His Word regarding the likes of Todd and his associates. The other half of the time I feel such compassion for them, as they are obviously so very deceived.
Each day that passes further convinces me that there is a very strong and very evil spiritual force directing Bentley’s ministry, to so totally blind this many people. So please keep up the good work! There are MANY of us praying for you daily, and for all those falling away.
The reason I refuse to listen to YOUR truth and reason is because I’ve already gone before the Lord with this.
There are many, including myself, who have been praying for revival in this country. We know of how God is revealing and manifesting His presence in other countries. This country is spiritually anorexic when it comes to God’s presence. Ohhh, we have all kinds of knowledge; we’ve got all kinds of education. But we have no power and we barely have the presence of God. And we wouldn’t know the Holy Spirit if He slapped us upside the head.
I was raised Baptist. I have now been Baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues, but I am still pretty conservative. I’ve never rolled around on the floor. ; ) Doubt I ever will. And I can’t say I understand how needy a person must be to cover himself head to toe in tattoos. But I’m hungry for more of God and all that entails. And if I have to press in to get Him(if you seek me with ALL YOUR HEART, you will find me)then so be it.
My spirit man came alive when I began watching the revival. Do I believe 32 year old Todd needs to use a little more wisdom? Sure. Do I think he should be careful when he says,”I guarantee someone is being raised out of the morgue?” Yes. Unless someone does, of course.
But it doesn’t mean that I don’t believe God is using Todd to touch His people. I believe that miracles are being done and I do believe people are being raised from the dead and I don’t believe God gave Satan the power to raise them.
After coming to this site, I went before the Lord-just to be sure. But I believe the Lord confirmed the truth to me.
As I said, I haven’t watched the revival in a few days, but will begin again and watch for the signs you mention. I have heard what could appear to be discrepancies, but also know how easy it is for that to happen, and choose to believe in integrity until the Lord shows me otherwise.
The Bible is full of all that Todd is doing, so I’m not ready to attribute it to Satan, just yet.
Kathryn
>> Rather than sit around posting on a website of how evil Todd is, why don’t you go take authority over the spirit.
If this were entirely true, it would mean that ‘free will’ plays not part in us, and no demon would have any influence on men if we all just took authority over the spirit(s) in others lives. What a wonderful world it would be.
Unfortunately Todd needs to make that decision first. We can pray, and do pray that Todd listens to the Holy Spirit and that he himself seeks deliverence and is set free from all this.
But we can’t take authority over a spirit that’s oppressing someone when the actual person harboring the spirit does not think there is any spirit to begin with.
As I said above, all we can do is pray that Todd acknowledges something is wrong, due to the Holy Spirit’s convictions and seeks divine help from Jesus, where he himself will take authority in Jesus Christ Powerful Name.
That’s my point exactly. People don’t so accept a counterfeit.
So how do you know this is God, when you claim he confirmed it? You feeling alive and excited does not mean this is God. You talk about integrity, but integrity is honoring the word as the light for your feet, not your understanding.
If your God confirmed this, your God is very forgetful in his old age, isn’t he, not to mention dithery and contradictory. And he is changed a lot and has go a tad eviler and more money grabbing. Oh well.
Err not, it is not, unless you mean the false prophets and Simon the Sorcerers. But you’re not truly interested in truth as previously discussed – you want this to be revival and so make it revival. I want the real thing, but I am not so desperate to accept anything, K.
What would you make this attribute it to Satan? When Todd has horns? (Oh but then you’d only say I was criticising his appearance….)
Deborah
I am with you re the free will thing but not this -
This is not scripturally true?
I love how all these revivalists seem to forget the other gifts of the spirit.
Seems like only the supernatural gifts are mentioned: Prophecy, tongues and healing seem to be the only ones noticed and most coveted. This allows them to ‘feel’ super spiritual.
These are the gifts of the Holy Spirit:
1. Wisdom – desire for the things of God, and to direct our whole life and all our actions to His honor and glory
2. Understanding – enable us to know more clearly the mysteries of faith
3. Counsel – warn us of the deceits of the devil, and of the dangers to salvation
4. Fortitude – strengthen us to do the will of God in all things
5. Knowledge – enable us to discover the will of God in all things
6. Piety – love God as a Father, and obey Him because we love Him
7. Fear of the Lord – have a dread of sin and fear of offending God
I would hope that people would desire these gifts before the supernatural. I think the supernatural only comes with much obedience and submission to God.
Desire a relationship with God first, whether you recieve supernatural gifts or not.
According to ICor 12, I thought the Gifts of the Spirit were:
The Gift of the Word of Knowledge
The Gift of the Word of Wisdom
The Discerning of Spirits
The Gift of Faith
The Gift of Working of Miracles
The Gift of Healings
The Gift of Prophesy
The Gift of Diverse Tongues
The Gift of Interpretation of Tongues
That is not the only scripture that talks about the gifts
Also a little commentary from by Bob DeWaay below:
“The Corinthians believed that gifts confirmed the presence of a superior spirituality in certain persons. Not the case, says Paul. The gifts are for building up the body of Christ, not exalting one over another. If the Corinthians were operating in the love of Christ they would have been concerned about the welfare of others, not selfishly parading their own spirituality before the church hoping for glory in the eyes of others.”
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Every instance where Paul gives extended teaching about the charismata he emphasizes the importance of each member of the body. This is the case in Romans 12: “For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.” (Romans 12:4,5). Verse 6 then uses the term charismata.
Even more striking in this regard is the teaching found in 1Corinthians 12. After describing a number of gifts, Paul writes: “But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills” (1Corinthians 12:11). The charismata have nothing to do with an elite group of spiritual people who, having been uniquely gifted above others, become the focus of attention. Nothing could be more foreign to the Biblical teaching on spiritual gifts than for some people to claim special anointings that make everyone else dependent on them. If indeed someone seems to be superior as far as spiritual gifting is concerned, such a one must adopt an attitude of humility and service, esteeming others as better than himself. If some seem to have less outwardly dramatic gifts, perhaps considering themselves lacking in many ways, those persons ought to be esteemed all the higher by the rest of the body.
Here is the Biblical teaching on this:
On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary; and those members of the body, which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our unseemly members come to have more abundant seemliness, whereas our seemly members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked, that there should be no division in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. (1Corinthians 12:22-25)
Sadly, if in our day God works through a person in a powerful way, such a one is likely to find every stage available and promote himself as God’s great man of power. Such claims evidence the m,carnality and lack of concern for Christ’s flock that really are motivating him. Simon the magician wanted spiritual gifts for this purpose and was sharply rebuked by Peter (Acts 8). Today he would be flown all around the world and given a TV show.
Let us go a little bit further into 1 Corinthians
For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries. But one who prophesies speaks to men for edification and exhortation and consolation. One who speaks in a tongue edifies himself; but one who prophesies edifies the church. (1Corinthians 14:2-4)
Paul’s definition of tongues and prophecy does not view them as adding revelation beyond the teachings of Christ and the apostles. Paul had written earlier in this epistle, “not to exceed what is written” (1Corinthians 4:6b). Already they had received the true gospel of Christ and the truth from the apostles, plus the already completed Old Testament scriptures. They needed no new revelations, they badly needed to walk obediently in the ones they already received.
Tongues will always have an interpreter if spoken publicly.
More verses about spiritual gifts besides 1 Corinthians:
1 Peter 4:11 :
* prophecy as from a prophet (oracle-giver)
* service, from strength given by God
Ephesians 4 : roles for people in the Church : apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers; for
* equipping,
* building up, and
* maturation.
Romans 12 : on attitude about spiritual gifts, and the gifts of
* service,
* teaching,
* exhortation,
* giving,
* leadership,
* the showing of mercy.
Isaiah 11:1-5 : verse 2 speaks of many things the Spirit of the LORD gives to those it rests upon – the spirit of :
* wisdom (also James 1:5),
* understanding,
* counsel,
* strength,
* knowledge, and
* the fear of the LORD.
According to the next two verses, God also gives such people :
* a special force or effectiveness of words/communication (v.4b; see Romans 12 ‘exhortation’), and
* a gift for being just to the oppressed in an unjust world (v.4a).
(When Paul spoke of how the warrior of God is dressed (Ephesians 6; 1 Thessalonians 5:8), and when he said that we walk by faith and not sight (2 Corinthians 5:7), he drew from this passage of Isaiah.)
Not everything Scripture describes as gifts from God are found in lists :
* James 4:6 — grace
* Philippians 4:7 — peace
* Hebrews 4:1,9 — rest
* John 10:28; Romans 6:23 — eternal life
* Psalm 127:3 — children
* Ezekiel 11:19 — a new heart
* 1 Corinthians 7:7 — celibacy (without being ruled by lust)
The spiritual gifts are what the Spirit gives you to build up others. The spiritual fruit are the dimensions of Christly character the Spirit builds into you.
I appreciate your thoughts. I suppose I am overly sensitive to individuals(which would include myself it I were to do so)who leave out or add to Scripture to influence their point.
I grew up in a franchise church that omitted whole books of the Bible, never teaching from them, though the Bible clearly warms against removing or adding of Scriptures. I guess they feel this only applies to false religions. But to me, there is little difference, and leaders will stand before the Lord for this.
God will deal with the self-exalted man. God raises up and God tears down. I try not to concern myself with that. The gifts were given to the Body for a purpose and we should walk in that purpose. We need all the help we can get; but fear of that which is unfamiliar seems to rule, and so the church ends up powerless….
Just my thoughts…
I Cor 14:26 “How is it then, brethren, Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
Love that Scripture…
Kathryn,
But the problem is, sometimes that strictness really should be discerned as discipline which kept us out of trouble. Discipline can be a good thing, just as an athlete is very disciplined about their workouts and diet. They wouldn’t be a good athlete without it.
You should be sensitive to anything being taught, so don’t feel bad about that. I was also raised baptist with a very strict background and so when I had the chance to break free…I did!
Now I’m no way condoning the abuse that arises from these denominations because there are many, but I learned a really strong biblical foundation as a child and I have to say it has proven itself of keeping me from following after disturbing heresies and deceiving doctrine as an adult.
Raise a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it.
And yes, I think this is a great verse.
I Cor 14:26 “How is it then, brethren, Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
You may be an ear and I may be an eye. Each of us has a different function in the body of Christ, but our function will never lead away from glorifying Him, just a small rule among many to follow by when measuring spiritual gifts.
Do they edify God or do they feed my ego?
Thank you for the dialog Kathryn
Thank YOU, for the dialog, Servant. You are wise, indeed.
Todd Bentley teaches heresy. He causes people to look to other sources for “spiritual power” rather than to Jesus Christ alone. He is deceived, and has become a deceiver. He lies without repentance, and thus shows himself to be a liar. The truth is not in him. He does not abide in Christ, for by his own admission he seeks and has supposedly been granted knowledge from other spiritual forces. There are serious consequences for not abiding in Christ–”If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out…”–is this, then, the man you would follow? He is leading many who have barely escaped back into darkness. Jesus said, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.” Here the Lord refers both to His resurrection and to the preaching of repentance, “and indeed a greater than Jonah is here.” DEMANDING SIGNS IS EVIDENCE OF UNBELIEF–NOT FAITH. The self-centered (not God-centered) cry out for signs and gifts–”Heal me! Give me wealth! Give me health!” Self is on the throne and their “religion” means nothing. The eyes of God’s children are set upon Him as the greatest treasure, not upon any other gift as the flesh would have it. In faith and love we are to accept with thanksgiving all circumstances, and seek His will in all things, for it is His will that we be holy as He is Holy, and this is the Way–that we be conformed to the image of His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the author and finisher of our faith, blessed be His Name. Oh, turn again, and look only unto Jesus, the precious Righteous One, the chief cornerstone, and do not join with those who are disobedient to the word and thus stumble upon Him, for to the disobedient He is the stone of offense. Believe in Him, and seek Him alone with all your heart, for those who believe are His own special people, and these do not seek greatness for themselves, but they proclaim the praises of Him who has called them out of darkness, out of the dominion of sin, and into His marvelous light. This is LIFE! This is the MIRACLE! New birth! We have obtained MERCY! For freedom He has set us free. And for you who would deny there is power in self-denial and submission to the Father unless it would unleash a sensual circus–look again to the Cross of Christ Jesus, and humbly bow there in faith. Stand and take that message of the cross to the streets and alleyways, the homeless shelters and hospitals and jails, to your workplaces, to every place your feet may take you, and fill your heart with the love Christ Jesus has for every lost and broken sinner the Father may place upon your path. And to them speak the gospel, not with cunning or deception, but plainly, and you will witness the great power of God to snatch sinners from death and impart eternal life to them. For the self-centered, the message sounds absurd. But by those to whom He has been calling, your preaching of the gospel will be met with a response of humble faith. Oh, the blessed grace of our Father! He does not look for workers, but believers, and to these He gives the likeness of His Son to do as He did on earth–call others to love God, and to live for His glory and honor. “And we carry this message in jars of clay so that none may boast…”
servant and Kathryn,
Thank you for your recent posts. Please forgive me if I have caused any offense. I do passionately believe that a lack of Biblical preaching from the pulpit, lack of discipline and discipleship among believers, and the acceptance of heretical teaching (word-of-faith, emergent church, new age spiritualism) is doing great harm to the witness of the church in this nation, and dishonors our Lord. But I am wise enough to recognize my ignorance and great need to sit at the Master’s feet. May God bless you as you seek Him. Love, in Christ, Darren
Thank you, Darren, for your words.
Darren,
No offense taken. It heartens me to see people striving to get God’s true message out there. We all feel a sense of urgency and how can we sit in comfort knowing that there is not only the lost, but also our brothers and sisters are being dragged away by wolves. It is a terrible sight to behold.
How can we look on and do nothing, you know?
Kathryn,
Thanks for the ‘wise’ compliment, but I gotta give God the credit on that one…he led the topic and put it on me to deliver he knows what everyone needs to hear. I’m just glad if I could be used in any way to help others.
I know this site and many of the people on here God has used to help me with my walk with him, I couldn’t be more thankful for so many willing to be obedient to him and say the truth…even if it is ‘unpopular’ and stings with correction at times.
Thanks again to Miriam, who runs this site. Her obedience and submission to God started this eye opening event for so many of us. She is a true servant to God.
Servant, Kathryn & Darren, I enjoyed ‘watching’ your dialog here.
Hi Miriam
Sorry, I meant to say deliver.
Yeah, don’t we represent Christ well…; )
Just so that you know, the revival that will supposedly never end, is about to end. The ministerial association in Lakeland has asked that Todd and his team pull the plug and get out of Lakeland. From my understanding things have gotten really ugly, so much so that even Pastor Strader from Ignited Church is wanting out of it. We will see what happens but it doesnt look good for Mr. Bentley.
Ok, I take that back. Servant speaks from a humble heart. Darren and I have a ways to go.
Wow. A whole blog dedicated to the tearing down of one mans ministry!! How shameful. As brothers and sisters in Christ should we not be praying for the move of God in power and in might? Isn’t the power and evidence of God what the world is seeking after?? Why are we limiting ourselves to the earthly realm?? Why shouldn’t God move in miracles and healings like He did in the days of old?? Why have we put God in a box and limited Him in what He can do to bring the lost to Him??
Why aren’t we seeking His face like Moses and Abraham and Isaiah and all the prophets back in the day?? I think it’s because so many people are wasting time criticizing men of God and spending time on their computers looking for evidence that it is a false move of God. Get off your computer and on your faces to seek out the Lord your God and don’t worry about the next guy. You are not accountable for Todd Bentley’s ministry or for the people he ministers to. I can assure you of this, if you rise against a man of God you will be judged accordingly. Be careful what you say. The very fact that you have not learned to control the smallest member of your body speaks loudly of the level of spiritual growth and discipline you walk in. I am speaking to every single person who has criticized and judged another christian in this blog.
I have been listening to Todd Bentley’s teachings regularily for a few months, and I have not found a single word come out of his mouth that does not line up with the word of God. I also have NEVER heard him glorify himself through the healings, he always points to Jesus, and recently he REBUKED the church for seeking after money and position over hearing and discerning God’s will. This is a man who is on his face for sometimes hours a day talking with God. I find it hard to believe that anyone with true spiritual maturity would spend so much time and energy in tearing someone down when they should be investing that energy in pursuing a deeper walk with the Father.
As for Max’s comment about women being silent in the church, you should do your research buddy. That scripture was written at a time in the church when men were going out during the day and receiving teaching and then going home and NOT SHARING IT WITH THEIR WIVES. The wives were then asking questions during the sabbath teachings because they did not understand BECAUSE THEIR HUSBANDS DID NOT FILL THEM IN on what they were being taught. I think God proved well enough the validity of women in the church when He revealed to Anna the Prophetess that Jesus was the savior when Mary and Joseph took Jesus to the synagogue for his circumcision, and again when He chose to appear 1st to a woman after His resurrection.
The spirit of Religion is alive and well in the church!!! Get a grip! God is no respecter of persons, and yes, wives need to submit to their husbands, but do not forget than the husbands need to love their wives as they love their own bodies and they need to submit to Christ as the head. How many men are filling that role today? A lot of the men I see in the church today are overweight and out of shape (not loving the temple of the Holy Spirit), not very nice to their wives and have no living relationship with the Lord to speak of. They are complacent and luke warm. Then they have the nerve to claim they are superior to woman as if God cares that they have male genitalia instead of breasts.
This blog is further evidence to me that the church is largely in part still not seeking God’s heart, because they are too busy tearing each other down. It’s really sad.
As for all of you who have defended Todd’s ministry GOD BLESS:) It’s nice to know that there are still people out there that are seeking for deeper things of God and have moved past the surface “appearances” of what is appropriate in the church.
Also, I have a feeling a great number of you critics have never even heard Mr. Bentley preach, and yet you are calling him a liar and a heretic. You had better search your heart and make sure that you are not the one deceived here.
I’d like to ask who of you believe that the Azusa street revivals were of God or of Satan?
natanis,
“I am speaking to every single person who has criticized and judged another christian in this blog.”
You stand guilty of your own charges.
From what I read, your “discernment” is subjective, not objective, which means you do not have it. Do you know the difference between objective and subjective discernment?
As far as judgement is concerned when hearing “one who is prophesying”, consider Paul’s statement in 1 Corinthians 14:29–”And let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgement.” And then in verse 31, “For you can all prophesy one by one, so that all may learn and all may be exhorted.” So then, we who hear one prophesying are called to pass judgement, to discern what holds to the Truth of Scripture. We are commanded to reject what does not hold to the teachings of Christ Jesus and His apostles. Man’s or woman’s subjective grasp of truth is ever-changing and subject to error; not so the objective Truth of God revealed in Christ Jesus.
Todd Bentley does not hold to Scripture. And this has nothing to do with surface appearances of what is appropriate in church. Again, your comment is subjective, not objective, and thus is in error.
If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, “Let us go after other gods,” which you have not known, “and let us serve them”, you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Deuteronomy 13:1-3.
Did you know Emma O, or any of the other spirit beings being pushed by Todd Bentley before he told you of them? He is teaching people to follow after other “gods”. Do you love the Lord your God with all your heart? Then turn again, and repent of following after other “gods”, pray for ears to hear Him alone, and eyes to see Him alone, and a heart to love Him alone, and for His grace and mercy that you may follow His Son, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and no other.
“It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” For the Lord will judge His people. And “how much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?” Hebrews 10: 29-31
Study 1 John, particularly about the antichrist spirit. Do you think that to “confess” Jesus is merely to utter some words? Or does it pertain to speaking the objective truth about the Gospel and about Christ in the flesh? Does confessing Him have something to do with preaching the Gospel Truth, and holding to it even if it meant physical death?
What are your views of Christ? Did the Messiah come in the flesh?
JB – You have some inside info? Do you live in Lakeland? I hope you’re right, I’m just curious as to how you know this. Not doubting you, just wondering. Thanks!
Darren – Once again, you hit the nail on the head. Amen!
natanis:
Your right the spirit of religion is alive in churches, and has been for years and years, and that is exactly what has been mans problem all this time!!! When all you have is religion then that’s all your going to get. Jesus said he was the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, where do you find religion in that passage? So if all you have is religion then you couldn’t possibly have Jesus because he isn’t religion, he said from his own words he was TRUTH!
If that is the mind set of people that it’s all about religion then no wonder things get all messed up on out of focus, filled with all kinds of craziness in Gods house. Just remember what Jesus had to say about those of his day. And if you have forgotten, then maybe you should go back and study what Jesus said so you can get a refreshed memory of it. I find it ironic that many seem to ignore the teaching of the son of God himself, considering when he said when you seen him you have seen the father! Go figure!
I think there should be some distintion here between the Office of the Prophet and the simple gift of prophesy, which we are all told to covet.
ICor 12 included three utterance inspiration or utterance gifts: prophesy, diverse kinds of tongues and interpretation of tongues.
Prophesy, as you all know, is a supernatural utterance in a known tongue. I believe the Hebrew word means “to flow forth” like “to bubble forth like a fountain, to spring forth. In the Greek it means “to speak for another”
ICor 14 tells us to “Follow after charity(love), and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may PROPHESY. Later to “covet to prophesy’
But this should not be confused with the prophetic office or prophetic utterances that may come forth in the prophet’s ministry.
Paul said,”But he taht prophesieth speaketh unto men to EDIFICATION and EXORTATION and COMFORT. 14:3 There’s no revelation to that gift.
In the Office often revelation or foretelling will come forth.
Old Testament prophesy was essentially foretlling, but in the NT we see that the gift of prophesy shifts strongly to forth telling
This should just be made clear when you start giving prophesying(in general Scriptures)VS the Office of the Prophet included in the Five Fold Ministry
Todd has been asked by the Ministerial Association to leave TB??? Is that just a rumor, or, can that be substantiated? JB, I’d like to know.
Kathryn,
Good points!
I think though that many people covet the gift of prophesy over the giver of prophesy. That’s what erks me.
For years I’ve been a dreamer and many times a picture or scenario will pop into my head. For a while, I figured that I had a special gift and found myself ’special’. It was not until this site that I learned that much of what I dreamt was fleshly or could be demonic in nature meant to lead astray and everything needed to be filtered to see if they were directly from God or my own understanding. There were very few after looking at them properly and discernment that I found to be of God. So now, I’ve learned to rarely pay attention to my dreams unless there is something truly significant that needs to be examined. Believe me, I sleep a whole lot better now.
What I’m getting at is when I got full of myself…the grander the dreams and ideas got. Were the dreams exalting God or my ability to dream and see what others didn’t?
Yes, I covet/desire to prophecy and so should others, but do they desire it to serve the Lord, to truly hear him and be obedient to his commands or are they doing this to see themselves as ’super’ spiritual (pharisee attributes I might ad.)
Call me cautious as well, I find prophecy to be a huge responsibility. What if I delivered my own words and not Gods???? I don’t want God to not be listened to based on the fact that I was a bad representation of Him. Hence, testing and weighing.
I’ve also noticed people get prophecy as needing to speak NEW Revelation… and the Bible speaks against that.
>>>”“not to exceed what is written” (1Corinthians 4:6b). Already they had received the true gospel of Christ and the truth from the apostles, plus the already completed Old Testament scriptures. They needed no new revelations, they badly needed to walk obediently in the ones they already received.”
So, yes the edification in prophecy for the christian will be conformation of what has already been written. Basicly, telling you what you already know to be true…a reminder of your place with God.
Oh and your right, Office of Prophet will have revelation and fortelling, but what I’ve noticed with people in the true Office of Prophet there are very few. They are a rarity and usually average folk…not super pulpit pimps.
There are way too many claiming that office today on the grand stage of Christendom…don’t you think?
Amen, Kathryn. The office of prophets are usually people ordained (by God) to warn people of error. I have yet to see any church leaders listen to the warnings they bring. Maybe it does happen sometimes, I don’t know. But many who prophesy how greatly God is pleased with us are fully applauded. The leaders call this, “Edifying the church.”….DavWms
Some of you, don’t these words scare you? Have you become stumbling blocks to young believers? Search your hearts…please…
Matthew 12:36-37
“But I tell you that every careless word that people speak (“or put on a blog”), they shall give an accounting for it in the day of judgment.
“For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Matthew 18:6-7
but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
“Woe to the world because of its stumbling blocks! For it is inevitable that stumbling blocks come; but woe to that man through whom the stumbling block comes!
Ester – you have conveniently forgotten about the watchman with blood on his hands if he does not warn aloud.
Under the New Covenant, John warns us of those who claim a special annointing–false annointed ones, antichrists–for all believers are annointed by the Holy Spirit and need no man to teach them. There is only one Annointed One–Christ Jesus, and He has come in the flesh and delivered His teachings, which are the words of the Father. There is no need for new revelation, only a holding fast to the Truth revealed to us by God in Christ Jesus Who was heralded by His prophets as the Holy Spirit came upon them.
Name a prophet, who has held the “office of prophet”, who has lived sometime in the last two thousand years. There have been none. None have been needed. Remember, this prophet must meet God’s guidelines delivered in Deuteronomy 13 and 18. Have any claiming this office been 100% correct? Pay attention to the techniques of any you may think to name, for God’s prophet would not follow the error of Balaam, nor any other false prophet–no necromancers, spiritualists, fortune tellers, astologers, or other occultists. God has kept the secret things to Himself, and God’s man knows not to go there.
Under the New Covenant, prophesying is not delivering “new revelation”. “For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy” (Revelation 19:10b). The prophet of this day, filled by the Holy Spirit, will testify of Christ in all His glory, and the prophet’s words will proclaim the implications and applications of Scripture. And his words must be judged by those who hear, not subjectively–for all flesh is apt to rebel and every heart is wicked and none are righteous–but objectively by the revealed Truth, God’s Word.
Matthew Henry, on 1 Thessalonians 5:20–”Despise not prophesyings; for, if we neglect the means of grace, we forfeit the Spirit of grace. By prophesyings here we are to understand the preaching of the word, the interpreting and applying of the scriptures; and this we must not despise, but should prize and value, because it is the ordinance of God, appointed of Him for our furtherance and increase in knowledge and grace, in holiness and comfort.”
These are my beliefs. I write them to clarify my writing to natanis, where first I wrote of prophesy in the church, then of the office which some wrongly attribute to a heretic named Todd Bentley.
God guides us providentially. Stay far from the occult. Look only unto Jesus. Keep yourselves from idols.
“We may not hold a doctrine, or seek an experience, except in Christ. Many are willing to seek power in order to perform miracles, draw attention and adoration of the people to themselves, thus robbing Christ of His glory, and making a fair showing in the flesh.
Any work that exalts the Holy Ghost or ‘gifts’ above Jesus will finally end up in fanaticism. Whatever causes us to exalt and love Jesus is well and safe. The reverse will ruin all. The Holy Ghost is a great light, but focused on Jesus always for His revealing.
Where the Holy Ghost is actually in control, Jesus is proclaimed the Head—the Holy Ghost, His executive.
—Frank Bartleman, quoted by David Wilkerson in “A Christless Pentecost” (Last Days Magazine, nd)
If God is about to do all that the prophets predicted He would – WHAT A GLORIOUS FUTURE JUST AHEAD!
A purged, purified ministry!
A Church that God is calling back to repentance and holiness.
A people washed, cleansed – offering praises in true righteousness.
A revival among our young people! Drug strongholds coming down! Alchohol and divorce no longer prevalent among God’s people.
The sound of prayer-intercession!
A people of God who will discern between the holy and the unholy!
Everywhere, God’s people turning again to the Word.
A tested, tried people, once again devoted to the Person of Jesus Christ!
His Person being lifted up to draw all men to Him!
Christ no longer the stranger in our midst, but CROWNED – PRE-EMINENT!
A Pentecost that truly exalts the name and power of Jesus Christ, the Lord of all.
A Christless Pentecost
Is Christ Becoming A Stranger Among Us?
David Wilkerson
from Last Days Ministries website
Amen, and amen! Come, Lord Jesus!
“If you do not have a consuming love for Christ, you do not have a Holy Ghost baptism!”
I take it that we all agree between Acts and I,II and III John references the current Church. Thus, if we want to know what God’s will is for us currently, we need only study those books.(I understand the need for the OT, so let’s not argue that point)
While Christ was on this earth, He represented God. The Gospel reveal exactly how He represented Him. The awesome thing is that He truly did represent Him as the great I AM everything you need. When Christ was to leave, He passed His mantle, if you will, onto the Church, telling them: “And these signs shall follow those who believe, In my Name(we are the vessels, He is the power)they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues, they will take up serpents, and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them, they will lay hands on the sick and they WILL recover.
We were supposed to pick up where He left off. As He came in human body, he had to go, but He was sending the Holy Spirit to empower us to do the same work as He.
Acts 10:38 …how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.
I’m not trying to be difficult here, but how is that people who are trying to walk in the will of God are accused of self exaltation?
We are vessels empowered and used by God. If the Holy Spirit truly is in us, why wouldn’t we truly be God’s hands?
He empowered us with gifts. They are gifts, not curses. Why are people so afraid of them. They are given “for the PROFIT of all.”
Don’t we want to be given supernatural knowledge, supernatural faith, the empowerment of God to heal the sick, the working of miracles, to discern spirits, to speak in diverse tongues/languages and to be able to supernatural interpret them, and to be able to speak the heart of God through prophesy?
What is wrong with speaking edification, exhortation and comfort? No wonder God says to “covet” to prophesy. All we are doing is speaking God’s heart to one another.
For whatever reason God has chosen to line up with His creation to be vessels of Him. But we aren’t walking in that.
Don’t we want that?
And regardless of who wants to recognize it, God has APPOINTED to the NT church, for it’s empowerment Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, Preachers and Evangelists.
Funny how some have no problem with the evangelists, the teacher and the preacher, but have decided(removing from the word)the other offices. But just because they aren’t acknowledge, doesn’t mean God hasn’t appointed them.
When I was attending the Baptist church, they didn’t preach out of the book of Acts. But that didn’t mean that it didn’t exist. It only meant they were doing what they were commanded not to do, “adding to and taking away”
Future revealings don’t necessarily “add to the word.
In Acts 9: 10-15 Ananias had a vision and the Lord told him exactly what to do(in the future)
11 Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul of Tarsus, behold, he prayeth. and hath seen a vision(future) a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hands on him that he might receive his sight….For he is a chosen vessle unto me, to bear My name…
Here we have the word of knowledge: specific facts as to where to go, etc…and word of wisdom revealed the plan and purpose of God..
None of this had taken place yet. But this does not “add to the Bible.
In Acts 8 an angel of the Lord spoke to Phillip, telling him to “Arise, and go toward the South unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza which is Desert…Then the Spirit said unto Philip, go near and join theyself to this chariot.
The angel gave instruction regarding God’s plan for Phillips immediate future.
And what about in Acts 21: 10,11
And as we tarried there many days, there came down from Judaea a certain prophet, named Agabus. And when he was come unto us, he took Paul’s girdle and bound his own hands and feet, and said,’Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jurusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.
The Holy Spirit revealed something to Agabus.(a word of wisdom)
Acts 27: ..there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve, saying, “Fear not, Paul…Got hath given thee all them that sail with thee.
Also, concerning the office of the prophet and the gift of prophesy, we see a good example with Agabus
Acts 21:9 Now this man had four virgin daughters who prophesied….10 And as we stayed many days days a certain propeht name Agabus came down to Judea..
God has empowered us with Himself. He has given us many gifts to use to represent Him. Many of us don’t seem to be representing Him very well.
I did not proofread above post; please forgive my errors.
Also, the people on this site seem to place the Prophet in a Godlike category, as if they were perfect. I’d like to point out a very unloving prophet: Jonah, who had to be forced into obedience. And even after God practically had to force him to obey, in the end, he never even had the heart of God.
Jonah 10 Then God saw their works that they turned from their evil way, and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them(God changed Him mind. I wonder if the prophet who prophesied destruction was accused of being a false prophet..; )
BUT IT DISPLEASED Jonah EXCEEDINGLY(it didn’t just displease Jonah that God changed His mind, but he was EXCEEDINGLY displeased.
…”Ah, Lord, was not this what I said when I was still in my country? Therefore I fled previously to Tarshish: for I know that You are a gracious and merciful God, show to anger and abundant in lovingkindness. One who relents from doing harm.
And now, how pitiful is this from a PROPHET
Therefore now, O Lord, please TAKE MY LIFE from me, FOR IT IS BETTER FOR ME TO DIE THAN TO LIVE.
And I’d just like to point out that many prophets foretold of the coming Christ, but never lived to see it fulfilled. Many prophets prophesied of events that would never take place in their lifetime. Revelation is a good example.
Regarding #218, in one of the last couple of days (I can’t remember which one) I heard Todd say there is no female angel named Emma. That is the only time I heard him say anything about Emma.
Jeff,
Here’s Bentley’s whole treatise on angels before “Emma” was exorcised off of this site:
http://www.etpv.org/2003/angho.html
Scroll down a bit over 3/4s down and you’ll see EMMA, ANGEL OF THE PROPHETIC.
“Don’t we want to be given supernatural knowledge, supernatural faith, the empowerment of God to heal the sick, the working of miracles, to discern spirits, to speak in diverse tongues/languages and to be able to supernatural interpret them, and to be able to speak the heart of God through prophesy?”
“Don’t we want that?”
“…many believed in His name when they saw the signs that He was doing. But Jesus on His part did not entrust Himself to them, because He knew all people and needed no one to bear witness about man, for He Himself knew what was in man.” John 2:23-25
“I’m not trying to be difficult here, but how is that people who are trying to walk in the will of God are accused of self exaltation?”
Seeking the gift, Kathryn, not the Giver, is self-exaltation. Who do you claim is “trying to walk in the will of God”? For the will of God is that we deny ourselves, believe in and follow after Jesus Christ. Where is the commanded denial of self in seeking after great things for the self?
Study Paul’s work in Ephesus, which he later refers to as Asia, to see what happens to those who desire miracles, but who do not accept the offense of the Cross of Christ Jesus. (I will give you a hint–all but a tiny remnant depart from the faith to follow after wolves, just as Paul predicted.)
Also do a word search on “suffer” in the New Testament, and see where those verses fit into your man-centered view of the faith.
The gifts are given, Kathryn, to those upon the narrow path, not the wide. And every gift of God to His children will shine light upon Christ and the gospel, not upon sinful man and his fleshly felt needs.
His will be done. The great apostasy will come dressed in all the fleshly garb of man-centered religion. The false ones will be near Him with their mouths, but far from Him in their hearts. He has told us what to expect. And it just may begin with these “revivals” led by antichrists who work signs and wonders for their father, that the way of Truth may be blasphemed, that the stage may be set for the Antichrist. “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ’. Christ–christos in Greek; annointed one. How many on the stage now claim a special annointing? These are the antichrists, and they will lead you astray. The Lord Jesus Christ said they would. “And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.” And Paul said that among these “are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning but never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.” And he said, “Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.” Where in these words, Kathryn, do you see the self-exalting, man-centered gifts you desire? Lawlessness will increase, for the gospel and the cross will not be tolerated. These false prophets will not preach the gospel, but will preach to man’s felt needs–like the seeker-sensitive self-esteem heresy movement, emergent heresy church, purpose-driven heresy, word-of-faith man-is-a-little-god heresy–oh how wide is the gate and wide is the road that leads to hell!
Jesus has commanded His flock: “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.” DO NOT BELIEVE IT. “For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.” Who are the false christs? The ones who claim an annointing beyond that granted to every Christian.
“But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”
The righteous shall live by faith–and what is faith but the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
“Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, and thus let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverance and awe, for our God is a consuming fire.”
“Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Do not be led away by strange and diverse teachings…let us go to Him outside the camp and bear the reproach He endured.”
“If anyone has no love for the Lord, let him be accursed. Our Lord, come!”
“Have I become your enemy by telling you the truth?”
No, do you hate me for telling you the truth? ; )
Kathryn,
No, I do not hate you. But I do wonder what truth you think you told me.
In your lust for miracles, you run right to the feet of an antichrist, and in the ensuing delusion you are unable to accept the warnings of Scripture. Repent of following after this worker of iniquity, and may God open your eyes to His blessed Truth.
It’s pretty obnoxious of you to say that I’m lusting after miracles, Darren. In your arrogance, you presume to know my heart.
Todd Bentley is a mighty man of God….. I myself doubted his calling but have come to realize the awesome presence of revival and healing that is spreading throughout the earth.
Be careful of your judgements….is one clip enough to form your prejudices?
an awesome presence of revival and healing that is spreading throughout the earth ? by Lakeland perhaps ? You must be kidding !!!!
And even if it was true (which is not), that would not make of it a sure sign to testify of its origin.
In the gospels, the miracles were only one of the witnesses that testified of Jesus’origin. According to the law, one wintess is not enough to establish truth. Other witnesses of Jesus’ministry were the Word , the Father, JohnBaptist the preacher of repentance….
All this hype and boasting and unscriptural sayings, how could that be a revival ? by which spirit anyway ?
Be careful of your naivety.
Darren, if you want to have a guideline for revival you need not go very far. I’m sure we would all agree that the Bible is our guideline. If you want to know and follow the guidelines of revival, you need only go to our beginnings and to the acts /actions of those God used in said revival: The book of those acts or actions…The Book of Acts
A true revival broke out on the Day of Pentecost. As I’ve mentioned before, Peter was changed from a man who was too weak to stand up for what he believed nor did he have discernment
(Matt 16:24: Jesus to Peter “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense(snare or stumbling block) to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”
Of course, this changed after the infilling of the Holy Spirit:
Acts 1:5 for John truly baptized you with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit, not many days from now. 8 But you shall receive POWER when the Holy Spirit ha come upon you…”
And he did…3: 8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “…”
The book of Acts truly does reveal the acts that take place during a true revival..a true move on God.
But God did tell us what signs would follow those who believe(Guess nothing follows those who don’t):
Mark 16: And these SIGNS will follow THOSE who BELIEVE: In My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues, they will take up serpents, and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick and they WILL recover.”
So, the Lord said that this is what would follow true believers. And it was what followed:
2:43 Then fear came upon every sould, and many wonders and signs were done through the apostles
4: 29 Now, Lord, look on their threats, and grant to your servants that with all boldness they may speak your word. (BY)stretching out your hand to heal and that signs and wonders may be done through your holy Servant Jesus. And when they prayed, the place where they assembled was SHAKEN, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word with boldness. (Please not that they were already Christians when they were filled again with the Holy Spirit)
5:12 And through the hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people.
5: 14-And believers were increasingly added to the Lord…so they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow, the shadow, the shadow, the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. ….and they WERE ALL HEALED>
6: 8 And Stephen, full of faith and power, did great wonders and sings among the people
8:4 Then Phillip went down to the city of Samaria and preached Christ to them. And the multitudes with one accord heeded the things spoken by Phillip, HEARING AND SEEING THE MIRACLES with he did. For unclean spirits, crying with a loud voice, came out of many who were possessed and many were paralyzed and lame were healed.
13 The Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Phillip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done.
No need to go on…you get the point of revival and a move of God and what accompanies it…
But, of course, there were the naysayers..
Matt 12 When Jesus healed on the Sabbath, which was not according to the way the religious leaders thought it should be done.
15 …and great multitudes followed Him, and He healed them ALL..Yet He warned them not to make Him known.
22 Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute, and He healed him, so that the blind mute both spoke and saw.
Then, after Paul was finally convinced that he was wrong and fighting on the wrong side: “Then Saul who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit looked intently at him and said, “O full of deceit and all fraud, you son of the devil, you enemy of all righteousnes, will you not cease perverting the the straight way of the Lord> And now, indeed, the hand of the Lord is upon you, and you shall be BLIND(physically, as he was spiritually)not seeing the sun for a time. And immediately a dark mist fell upon hi, and he went around seeking someone to lead him by the hand. Blind, blind blind leading the blind…AND THEN THE PROCONSUL BELIEVED, WHEN HE SAW WHAT HAD BEEN DONE, being astonished at the teaching of the Lord.
OHHHHHH, but those with a religious spirit could not stand that. It was not done according to what they believed to be truth:
But Jesus knew their thoughts(condition of their hearts)
“Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every cit or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can one enter the strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strongman? And then he will plunder his house. He who is not with me is against Me, and he who does no gather with Me scatters abroad.
Therefore, I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the SOn of Man, it will be forgiven him, but anyone who speaks against the Holy SPirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.
Be careful, Darren, before you so easily attribute to Satan that which could be from God. You do so easily and without thought. Have some humility.
13: 38
“Behold you despisers
MARVEL and perish
For I work a work in your days
a work which you will by no means believe
Though one were to declare it to you”
next chapter……who bearing witness to the word of His grace, granting signs and wonders, to be done by their hands.
8 …a man without strength to his feet was sitting, crippled from his mother’s womb, who had never walked. This man heard Paul speaking. Paul observing him intently and seeing he had the faith to be healed said with a loud voice,” Stand up straight on your feet! And he leaped and walked.
They didn’t listen to the naysayers, or those who said that they were self exalted. They just went along with signs following…
17: 5 But the Jews who were not persuaded, becoming envious, took some of the evil men(and gathered on a website)from the marketplace, and gathering a mob, SET ALL THE CITY IN AN UPROAR…saying “THOSE WHO HAVE TURNED THE WORLD UPSIDE DOWN HAVE COME HERE TOO’
Oh how they hated them….
Say what you want, Darren, you can’t deny the word of God. Oh you can and you do, but it still stands as truth…
They were attached by people like you, but that didn’t stop them, and God continued to back them up to such a crazy degree that “19: 22 Now God work UNUSUAL miracles by the hands of Paul, so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and THE DISEASE LEFT THEM AND THE EVIL SPIRIT WENT OUT OF THEM…
This is the Word of God and this is the truth and this is a biblical recording of revival…and what takes place…
“Do you hate me for telling you the truth?”
So Kathryn , do you have these signs and miracles following yourself ? If not , are you a false convert ?
I’ll discuss this with you off this site only…
To you who started this blog, who fears not the Lord: Read your Bible and pay attention to the Scriptures, especially Proverbs 6:16-19, paying special attention to the fact that sowing DISCORD among the brethren is an ABOMINATION (a disgusting thing) to the LORD. Amen.
what does it say about false prophets please?
I’m glad those in the modern prophetic camp are coming up with more scripture to throw after those of us seeking Truth. This is only the 2nd time I’ve seen the Proverbs passage used (the first was against me personally). Usually it’s the tired old:
- Remove the beam out of your own eye (used by the same individual who use the Proverbs verses on me)
- Who are you to judge
- touch not mine anointed
- you’re not loving
- Love covers but judgment uncovers.
- If it is not of God it will fail but if it is of God you can’t stop it.
- Look at the fruit.
- God offends the mind to reveal the heart.
- You have a religious spirit
- you have a jezebel spirit
- satan is the accuser of the brethren
Deut 13: 1-
If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, “Let us go after other gods”- which you have not known-and let us serve them, you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the Lord your God is testing you to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has spoken in order to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of bondage, to entice you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to walk.
If your brother, the son of your mother, your son or your daughter, the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, secretly entices you, saying…”
THIS IS NOT WHAT TODD BENTLEY IS DOING…
Oh, but of course, he doesn’t realize he’s doing it. He’s praising the name of Jesus. Lifting up the name of Jesus..giving all honor and glory to God, but it’s all a lie, either out of ignorance of the demons at work behind the scenes, or because he is lying about while lifting up the name of Jesus.
But that is not what this Scripture says, so that doesn’t apply.
Either way, if he is in fact a false prophet, the Lord, who is the one who builds up and tears down, will certainly take care of business.
Jeremiah: “I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name…who try to make My people forget my name by their dreams which everyone tells his neighbor, as their fathers forget My name for Baal.
“The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream
And he who has My word, let him speak My word faithfully
What is the chaff to the wheat?” says the Lord
Is not My word like a fire?” says the Lord
And like a hammer that breaks rocks in pieces”
“Therefore I am against the prophets who steal My words everyone from his neighbor… Behold I am against those who prophesy false dreams and tell them, and cause My people to err by their lies and by their recklessness. Yet I did not send them or command them; therfore they SHALL NOT PROFIT this people at all, says the Lord.
As for the prophet and the priest and the people who say, “The oracle of the Lord!” I will even punish that man and his house…40 And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you, and a perpetual shame, which shall not be forgiven.
It would be best to read the whole of 23
I think the Lord will take care of Todd if in fact he is a false prophet.
But even more, I think these Scriptures should be a warning to ALL who are so quick to proclaim the words of the Lord in dreams and visions and words…especially when they are speaking for God to condemn, criticize and tear down another prophet of God. It seems that many are so quick to speak for God without fear or reverence.
If Todd is indeed a false prophet, God will deal with Him and bring Him to naught. He is quite capable.
I have never denied the miracles of God. But you, like all in your man-exalting, self on the throne, camp quote only those verses that make your flesh feel good. Do you not notice that you never quote Who these men exalted, from Whom and for Whom this power came? No, you don’t, for you are caught up in the original sin–you can be as god, that is what your false teachers have told you, these little gods who will be written in the dust. You quote again and again “they bore witness”–do you even know what that means? Do you even want to know? The men you quote did not live in mansions bought with the last pennies of the poor, they did not draw disciples after themselves, and they loved not their lives, but gave all, even suffering death that Christ Jesus might be exalted by those whom He had ransomed from sin and death. Would you make your sinful self on level with Christ, to do as He did on earth? Or do you claim the heresy of a second level of Christianity? You exhibit all the errors of the carnal Corinthians and have taken to the heresies of the Colossian false teachers.
Sorry, that last post was for Kathryn.
And you judge me, Kathryn. You say I would have attacked those who witnessed Christ and spoke the Gospel Truth. The gospel reveals our sin and our need. Because I will not recognize your false teachers, you would accuse me of hatred towards those who for the sake of the Messiah had denied themselves and faced death for revealing the truth, and who were given the power to work great signs among those who were perishing? Who are you to say that I would not have responded to the grace of God, or that I have not responded now to that same gospel and grace–for there is no other, regardless what your false teachers have convinced you to follow. The miracles were for those who by hearing alone would not believe and be saved. Why judge me this way? Have I sought to exalt myself with the words I have written? Is it because I will not follow your antichrist teachers? The Word proves them to be antichrist. But you have not dared answer to that. You focus upon the miracles, but you fail to take heed to the words spoken by these antichrists. Is “doctrine” a dirty word to you? “To the teaching and to the testimony! If they will not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn.” Isaiah 8:20.
Seeking the gift, Kathryn, not the Giver, is self-exaltation. Who do you claim is “trying to walk in the will of God”? For the will of God is that we deny ourselves, believe in and follow after Jesus Christ. Where is the commanded denial of self in seeking after great things for the self?
The false ones will be near Him with their mouths, but far from Him in their hearts. He has told us what to expect. And it just may begin with these “revivals” led by antichrists who work signs and wonders for their father, that the way of Truth may be blasphemed, that the stage may be set for the Antichrist. “See that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ’. Christ–christos in Greek; annointed one. How many on the stage now claim a special annointing? These are the antichrists, and they will lead you astray. The Lord Jesus Christ said they would. “And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.” And Paul said that among these “are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning but never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.” And he said, “Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.” Where in these words, Kathryn, do you see the self-exalting, man-centered gifts you desire? Lawlessness will increase, for the gospel and the cross will not be tolerated. These false prophets will not preach the gospel, but will preach to man’s felt needs–like the seeker-sensitive self-esteem heresy movement, emergent heresy church, purpose-driven heresy, word-of-faith man-is-a-little-god heresy–oh how wide is the gate and wide is the road that leads to hell!
Where in this, Kathryn, you accuser of the brethren, is my denial of the Word of God?
Lee says “I’m glad those in the modern prophetic camp are coming up with more scripture to throw after those of us seeking Truth. This is only the 2nd time I’ve seen the Proverbs passage used (the first was against me personally). Usually it’s the tired old:
First, may I ask what is the “modern prophetic camp?”
Second, you may want to reword your claim. You may be giving too much credit to some.
I can tell you right now that the majority of people on this site are not “seeking” truth…PAAAALEASE!!! There is too much arrogance here…too many blanket and bold statements from individuals claiming visions and dreams that are said to expose, tear down, discredit and remove from ministry. And not just of a few ministers..countless ministers.
There’s too much chewing up and spitting out for people here to be “SEEKING” truth.
No, the truth has been found without a shadow of a doubt and the piranhas are ready to eat their victims alive, stripping every bit of flesh from their bones…
No, Lee, there is no searching or seeking….
I’ve just read this article, and comments of those opposing and supporting the revival. Lets make one thing clear, our opinion does not mean anything, we should wholly rely upon scripture and interpretation of. The person who wrote this article constantly uses scripture that clearly tells us to be wary of these such things. Is Todd Bentley a false prophet? I cannot inconclusively say so. However, my Father tells me in Matthew 24:24 ‘For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible’.
Therefore we cannot say that someone is of God if they perform miracles. Although, we can gain a general understanding of their theology to suggest where their heart lies. And Bentley’s reference to female angels, and going into a third heaven are totally unscriptual. And also his infamous talk on leg dropping a Pastor (on a popular video website), and kicking a woman in the face – is this scriptual?! Many people have argued that Jesus used unconventional ways to heal people, including spitting on the eyes of a blindman. But this was not violent – Jesus was a man of compassion and kindness. Bentley through physical attacking someone (which would see many get arrested) for healing – is not showing kindess which is included in the fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 2:22)
So is Bentley really who he’s deemed to be – a man of God sent to bring revival. The healings may suggest so, but the words that proceed from his mouth and the associations he has with disgraced ministers suggest otherwise.
I liked what Lee said (above) when mentioning the scriptures used by the prophetic camp against those who disagree with them: “If it is not of God, it will fail, but if it is of God, you can’t stop it.”
I doubt anyone of the prophetic camp is listening to any of this, but since I USED TO BE out of Word of Faith, I can say from experience, DOUBLE CHECK EVERYTHING.
OK, OK. It might look really good and the speaker might throw out a scripture to “BACK” what he’s preaching, but ya gotta ask yourself, “Does this bear witness with my spirit – with what I’ve learned in the Bible?”
If the answer is: “I’m not sure.” Then you’ve got to know the Holy Spirit is showing you something. i.e. NO.
I keep hearing the phrase, “Growing in THE prophetic.” No one person has been able to point out to me where “THE prophetic” is in the Bible. I have not been able to find where any one of God’s Bible prophets have missed it when phophecying. It ain’t like taking baby steps where you fall and get up, fall and get up.
Anyone want to tackle that one?
SP
Kathryn – that is only one example of a false prophet out of many (but Todd fits that criteria is it is another Jesus, an antichrist one – have you read up on Latter Rain yet?).
There are also other scriptures that show false prophets did speak in the name of the genuine Lord, albeit falsely or presumptiously. Hannaniah for example in Jeremiah. They were still false.
Now you know Todd is false, Kathryn, so why you following him? Seriously?
1 Corinthians 4:20 — “For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.”
To those who attack Todd Bentley: Are YOU moving in the power of God? If so, how? Post it. Explain it. Show the “deceived” the way…if you are on it.
Are you hearing and obeying God? Think about it. Are you healing the sick, raising the dead, casting out demons, moving in any (?!) of the gifts of the Spirit (1 Cor 12), speaking in tongues, or been given any office gift of Christ? If yes, what is it, or, what are they?
1 Corinthians 2: 1-5 (Paul speaking)
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
There is a kingdom of God and it certainly is one that is not in word, but in power. Interesting that Paul writes, “I determined NOT TO KNOW ANY THING AMONG YOU, SAVE JESUS CHRIST…and MY PREACHING WAS…IN DEMONSTRATION OF THE SPIRIT AND OF POWER….
To what end? That our faith not be in the wisdom of men (and their petty arguments), but in the power of God.
“Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters…” (Isaiah 55:1)
Oh my gosh, Darren, do I write the same amount to you? It must be so annoying!
Maybe part of the problem with people not understanding the concept of antichrist is with the prefix, anti. It can mean “against”, but it also means “in place of”. That is the definition to keep in mind when reading 1 John. How could an antichrist draw Christian disciples away from Christ if they were openly against Him? Ah, the deception of those who put themselves in place of the Annointed One by claiming an annointing that belongs only to the Lord Jesus Christ. That is why John reminds the Christian that he has an annointing–that all who are in Christ share the same annointing and need no one to teach them. This does not mean there are none with the gift of teaching, but these will claim no “special revelation knowledge” beyond Scripture; they are simply more mature in their grasp of holy verities and have a God-given ability to teach others.
This particular tool of satan has been most useful in our day through the heretical antichrist teachings of the word-of-faith camp. These seared-conscience liars have deceived many, but you get what you look for–you want little gods, you want to be a little god, you are still a wordling unwilling to submit to a Holy God. Scripture is available; do not twist it, read it straight and pray.
“Yet I persistently sent to you all my servants the prophets, saying, ‘Oh, do not do this abomination that I hate!’ But they did not listen or incline their ear, to turn from their evil and make no offerings to other gods.
They have not humbled themselves even to this day, nor have they feared, nor walked in my law and my statutes that I set before you and before your fathers.” Jeremiah 44:4,5,10.
What prophet of God turns the eyes of God’s people to gods they have not known, to serve them thinking they may be blessed with health and wealth, power and fame? Would God’s true children fail this test? What prophet of God would call himself a god, or a christ, then plead for money for his ministry? NONE! For the true prophet of God speaks from His Word which alone contains the power to save sinful man from the dominion of sin and from the pit, and it is this Word the true prophet has written upon his heart and from it he speaks in fear of the Holy One. It is an antichrist who draws your eyes to the ends of the earth, causing you to dishonor Christ by choosing your own way in following after a man. The Lord Jesus says to those who hear, “I am the Way,” yet you stop your ears and follow the flesh, follow your sinful desires and refuse the cross by which you might be saved.
And Jeremiah, despised and rejected by the people, but full of the Holy Spirit, gives voice to the word of the LORD:
“Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD. They say continually to those who despise the word of the LORD, ‘It shall be well with you’; and to everyone who stubbornly follows his own heart, they say, ‘No disaster shall come upon you.’ I did not send the prophets, yet they ran; I did not speak to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in my council, then they would have proclaimed my words to my people, and they would have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their deeds.”
“Let the prophet who has a dream tell the dream, but let him who has my word speak my word faithfully. What has straw in common with wheat? declares the LORD. Is not my word like fire, declares the LORD, and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces?” Jeremiah 23
Turn from serving the antichrists and serving the lusts of your flesh and the lusts of your eyes, turn and serve the Lord Jesus Christ alone, for to Him belongs all glory and honor and praise. Amen.
Brokenhearted Joy
This is foundational to everything. Being a Christian means being broken and contrite. Don’t make the mistake of thinking you get beyond this in this life. It marks the life of God’s happy children till they die. We are broken and contrite all the way home—unless sin gets the proud upper hand. Being broken and contrite is not against joy and praise and witness. It’s the flavor of Christian joy and praise and witness. I close with the words of Jonathan Edwards who said it better than I can.
All gracious affections [feelings, emotions] that are a sweet [aroma] to Christ . . . are brokenhearted affections. A truly Christian love, either to God or men, is a humble brokenhearted love. The desires of the saints, however earnest, are humble desires: their hope is a humble hope; and their joy, even when it is unspeakable, and full of glory, is a humble brokenhearted joy. . . . (Religious Affections [New Haven: Yale University Press, 1959], pp. 339f.)
Amen.
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© Desiring God
John Piper. Thank You, Lord.
Prophets and kings, priests and preachers all look one way–they all stand as the cherubs did over the ark, desiring to look within and to read the mystery of God’s great propitiation. Even more obvious in the New Testament we discover that Jesus is the one pervading subject. It is not that He is mentioned every so often or that we can find Him in the shadows; no, the whole substance of the New Testament is Jesus crucified, and even its closing sentence sparkles with the Redeemer’s name. We should always read Scripture in this light; we should consider the Word to be like a mirror into which Christ looks down from heaven; and then we, looking into it, see His face reflected–darkly, it is true, but still in such a way as to be a blessed preparation for one day seeing Him face to face. The New Testament contains Jesus Christ’s letters to us, which are perfumed by His love. These pages are like the garments of our King, and they all bear His fragrance. Scripture is the royal chariot in which Jesus rides, and it is paved with love for the daughters of Jerusalem. The Scriptures are like the swaddling clothes of the holy child Jesus; unroll them, and there you find your Savior. The essence of the Word of God is Christ.
taken from “Morning and Evening,” written by C.H. Spurgeon, revised and updated by Alistair Begg. Copyright (c) 2003, Good News Publishers and used by Truth for Life with written permission. Scripture quotations are taken from Holy Bible: English Standard Version, copyright (c) 2001, Good News Publishers.
In his book, Passion, Karl Olsson tells a story of incredible patience among the early French Protestants called Huguenots.
In the late Seventeenth Century in… southern France, a girl named Marie Durant was brought before the authorities, charged with the Huguenot heresy. She was fourteen years old, bright, attractive, marriageable. She was asked to abjure the Huguenot faith. She was not asked to commit an immoral act, to become a criminal, or even to change the day-to-day quality of her behavior. She was only asked to say, “J’abjure.” No more, no less. She did not comply. Together with thirty other Huguenot women she was put into a tower by the sea…. For thirty-eight years she continued…. And instead of the hated word J’abjure she, together with her fellow martyrs, scratched on the wall of the prison tower the single word Resistez, resist!
The word is still seen and gaped at by tourists on the stone wall at Aigues-Mortes…. We do not understand the terrifying simplicity of a religious commitment which asks nothing of time and gets nothing from time. We can understand a religion which enhances time…. but we cannot understand a faith which is not nourished by the temporal hope that tomorrow things will be better. To sit in a prison room with thirty others and to see the day change into night and summer into autumn, to feel the slow systemic changes within one’s flesh: the drying and wrinkling of the skin, the loss of muscle tone, the stiffening of the joints, the slow stupefaction of the senses—to feel all this and still to persevere seems almost idiotic to a generation which has no capacity to wait and to endure. (116-117)
Oh, the wonderous power of Christ in the heart of the true believer! To know that one is a sojourner here…
“Only love for Christ has the power to incapacitate the sturdy love for self that is the bane of every sinner, and only the grace of Christ has the power to produce that love.”
- Paul David Tripp, A Quest for More (Greensboro, NC; New Growth Press, 2007), 105.
Again, none of you ramblers sound like Paul here: 1 Corinthians 2: 1-5
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
I think all of you are wasting your time commenting and pickering back and forth. If Todd is a against God then he will be revealed. Is it so bad for the sick and poor to have hope. Afterall, he does teach from the Bible so there’s got to be some kind of filing a person can receive from the ministry. Even if he is a false prophet. What a waste of time I can’t beleive I wasted my time typing this be done God will reveal.
BP, you said:
“To you who started this blog, who fears not the Lord: Read your Bible and pay attention to the Scriptures, especially Proverbs 6:16-19, paying special attention to the fact that sowing DISCORD among the brethren is an ABOMINATION (a disgusting thing) to the LORD. Amen.”
I couldn’t agree more!! But you missed Paul’s NT explaination of that, in Romans 16:17 -
“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.”
You see, by the standard that YOU set forth, it is TODD BENTLEY who is causing divisions by teaching doctrine contrary to the biblical doctrine.
Please be consistant and write a post warning Todd Bentley and his followers about the dangers of sowing discord.
I’m looking forward to it.
BP, you also said,
“To those who attack Todd Bentley: Are YOU moving in the power of God? If so, how? Post it. Explain it. Show the “deceived” the way…if you are on it.
Are you hearing and obeying God? Think about it. Are you healing the sick, raising the dead, casting out demons, moving in any (?!) of the gifts of the Spirit (1 Cor 12), speaking in tongues, or been given any office gift of Christ? If yes, what is it, or, what are they?”
I guess the real question is – is Todd Bentley doing any of these things? I mean, I know he’s claimed that tons of people have been raised from the dead, but we’ve yet to see evidence of that. We do know from one of the earlier posts here that someone Bentley claimed was healed died a few days later. Is that the kind of healing you’re talking about?
Also, if you’ve read the site here, you’d know that Miriam, who runs it, is a prophet.
So I guess that by YOUR standards that YOU set up, YOU can’t question anything that SHE says unless YOU are operating in the prophetic as well. Isn’t that where the illogic of your statement leads. (Rhetoric question – of course that’s where your faulty logic leads. I guess that’s the kind of thing you have to resort to when the bible is no longer your standard of truth.)
And finally, BP, (in a truly amazingly misguided effort to make a point), you had this to say:
“Again, none of you ramblers sound like Paul here: 1 Corinthians 2: 1-5
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.”
I think your point here is that if someone truly were speaking the truth, that they’d probably be doing it similarly to the way Paul did it, right? And also, here Paul gives us kind of a template so that we can look at what proper Christianity and teaching look like, right?
You know what, if that was your intention, I’d have to say I agree with you. Paul does give us his story and tells us as well what true teachers might look like. Good comment there, BP.
Oh, and by the way, just off the top of my head – If you were using what Paul said there in the scripture that YOU used, in your opinion does Todd Bentley seem to line up with Paul, or is Todd Bentley almost THE EXACT OPPOSITE of what Paul says there?
OK, I’m sorry, enough subtle sarcasm from me, I can’t hold it in any longer…
HOW CAN ANYONE WHO CLAIMS TO SUPPORT TODD BENTLEY TRY TO USE THAT PARTICULAR SCRIPTURE, AND THEN NOT SEE THE ALMOST TOTAL UTTER LAUGHABLE HYPOCRISY IN IT. WOW. DOUBLE WOW.
BP,
Let me venture a guess–Copeland fan, right? Word-of-faith, oh my.
Here are a few verses to add to your repertoire:
2Corinthians 12:7-10; 11:4
1Timothy 6:3-5
Colossians 2:8; 2:18,19
Your Bible does contain these verses, yes? Study them for yourself. And please study the verse you continue to quote. I do not think you understand the power Paul was referring to when he came to them in weakness and fear.
Turn off TBN, and study for yourself.
BP you quote 1 Corinthians 2 , but none of these super prophets evangelists and apostles preach and share Jesus and Him crucified. All those others who encourage “experiences” and share “secret revelations” are antichrist and false prophets. They and their followers don’t even believe in the finished work of Jesus at the Cross : “It is finished”. Just an example : Todd said that he will give them the fruit of the Tree of Life to eat, something like this. But the Truth is that every believer in the finished work of Jesus has ALREADY communion with Father and Son by the Holy Spirit. No true believer has been born by the will of the flesh but they have been born of God. And NO man on earth can give to another one the fruit of the tree of Life , the Life eternal is in the Son of God, not at Lakeland or anywhere else. These men are antichrist for they do not point to the finished work of Jesus at the Cross and to the communion/obeidence with Father and Son, but to something else. Follow your supermen if you want, boast of these “signs” and “mantles” and “impartations” if you wish , me and my household will serve Father and Son. Jesus said : my sheep hear my voice and will never perish.
Darren, thank you for your posts !
Apostle John who fought against the gnostics of his time says that if we keep what we have received since the beginning, we are in God and God dwells in us. And we have received His anointing who teaches us to dwell in Him, in His love and His commandments.
And we have received His Spirit , and we receive grace upon grace and walk from glory to glory when by faith we deny our self , pick up our cross , and follow Jesus gladly in the midst of His tribulations. Paul says that God forbids he glorifies of anything but of the Cross , by which he was crucified to the world ; and that he was crucified with Christ and Christ lived in him. Oh the glory of the Gospel of Jesus Christ , that has the power to really set free , free from any lust , free from the trickery of men and lies of the devil ! The old serpent wants the believers to forsake or doubt what they have received since the beginning and switch to another gospel with a different power and wisdom. We know though that it is the preaching and principle of the Cross which is the true power and wisdom of God.
Hi there,
I don’t know who you are, but you seem to have some knowledge of The Lord….I do know of and respect the comments of Rick Joyner however, and perhaps you would like to comment on his articles below.
God bless you, whoever you are.
Nick
Melkbosstrand
Cape Town
South Africa
http://www.morningstarministries.org/Publisher/article.aspx?id=1000031549 and http://www.morningstarministries.org/Publisher/article.aspx?id=1000031456
Hi again…..my comment is directed at endtimespropheticwords
BP,
The interesting thing is you prove OUR point with the passage you cite. Bentley does not preach ‘Jesus Christ, and Him crucified’ rather he preaches about a ‘tangible transferable anointing’ provided by his ‘healing angel/s’ –NOT the Holy Spirit (Well, on a few occasions Bentley has credited the Holy Spirit but most times it’s his angels providing the healing power. It’s difficult when you’re a liar to keep the stories straight).
“That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of me, but in the power of God” — but, you, yourself are supporting MAN, Todd Bentley and not God. I certainly do not see Todd Benley in “weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling” (well, the “trembling” in his shaking and convulsing perhaps). In him there is not fear, but rather arrogance and pride.
Signs and wonders ["demonstration of the Spirit and of power"] come during/after the preaching of the Gospel. Since Bentley is not preaching the Word one must wonder where this power is coming from. Signs and wonders devoid of the Word will not be from the Holy Spirit.
Jamie
>>>>>After all, he does teach from the Bible
ha ha ha ha ha!
You are not serious?
Well, it looks Andy, Eric Claire and I all jumped on the 1 Cor 2 reference or BP. Oy vey…
Uh.. OF BP — not or BP.
Endtime,
I wonder if you ministered on television for 60+ nights straight with a world audience if we would catch you making any mistakes? The problem with bloggers such as yourself is that you have concluded Todd has evil intentions and is evil. AS a result, then any mistake will be seen as a “proof” of those intentions. To me, that type of labelling is much more dangerous than being “swindled” by a false prophet. For if Todd is from God, and you are labelling him evil, than you are fighting God.
I have always wondered in this case, if Todd is a false prophet what do you believe is happening to the people that attend? Do you believe that Christians from around the world are so empty-minded that they are “swayed” away by a tattooed minister? Nice try. I have been to Florida for 4 nights and while there are things I would not do, I have concluded that it is from God. I have a graduate education in Counseling and was not swayed by emotionalism, “dangerous spirits” etc. By the way, the only discernment for a false prophet that the Bible warns us about is to not follow those that say they are the Messiah and then also we would know them by their fruit. Please don’t assume that hundreds of thousands of people worldwide are so susceptible to “swindling” in the way you are suggesting.
Lee,
Do you find it a bit telling that the three of us – who don’t fall for Bentley’s schtick and respect the Word of God – found it so easy to see the fallacy of what he said; while he (the defender of the Bentley) couldn’t even see the tiniest problem with the scripture he was trying to use.
Gotta mean something, don’t it? …. double-edged sword and all that.
Nick,
I’m not sure when Miriam will be able to get back to you, but if you want to get a sense of how she feels about Rick Joyner, you should go to the home page, look in the categories section, and you’ll find 13 articles in some way related to Rick Joyner.
Dave -
This is more than about making mistakes. And you cannot blame his hectic schedule either as he made ‘mistakes’ on Day 1 of the revival and even before. These mistakes by the way are called ‘greed’, ‘pride’, ‘manipulation’, ‘lying’, ‘charlatanism’, ‘false teaching’, ‘blasphemy’, ‘iolotory’, ‘heresy’ and ‘false prophecy’ which we are commanded not to accept.
Christian TV exists. Peter Popoff exists. Benny Hinn exists. Todd Bentley exists. I rest my case. You are proud if you think you are immune to deception. The apostles had to test the spirits, so why don’t you. Are you more enlighetened than them?
I know many very intelligent and ’spiritual’ people who were fooled by Toronto… (I was one!)
The devil or false prophet is going to be much more sophisticated then Todd Bentley. The false prophet will be a like a angel with no past history. Not a man who has nothing and addictions criminal background. No, he will be like a worthy sheep smelling like roses. Do you think the devil is that stupid. He wants (the devil) to discredit the man (Todd)who had nothing.
Dave,
What is the fruit of a teacher? Yes, that is right, his words, his teachings. What is another word for “teachings”? Doctrine. The fruit of the prophet, one who speaks from the word, or the teacher, is his doctrine, not any miracles or signs he may show. Christ knew that signs could blind the fleshly to the truth, but the word remains steadfast. If signs were fruit, what would you make of Simon the sorcerer? Christ warned believers to beware the deceiving miracles of false prophets, and He warned us of those who would lead us away from the truth by pushing doctrines (teachings) contrary to the faith.
“Please don’t assume that hundreds of thousands of people worldwide are so susceptible to “swindling” in the way you are suggesting.”
Dave, you must be kidding. But this is not funny. Like his progenitor Hagin, Kenny Copeland, antichrist teacher to untold thousands, is still bilking the blind and deceived out of millions each year; and this is only one of that antichrist word-of-faith camp. How many, worldwide, do you think are now being actively swindled by these unrepentant liars? Do you know of their teachings?
“The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” 2Thessalonians 2:9-12. How long, O Lord, and how many?
“because they refused to love the truth and so be saved”
Sorry–”refused” is so important here!
Eric,
You are welcome, and I thank you also for yours.
Mariam, why did you delete the article from Rick Joyner; it was actually written by him, and not second hand info?
Why would you delete it? Rick’s ministerial integrity is in question…well, along with countless others. The article explains in detail how he feels about revivals.
Endtime,
These mistakes by the way are called ‘greed’, ‘pride’, ‘manipulation’, ‘lying’, ‘charlatanism’, ‘false teaching’, ‘blasphemy’, ‘iolotory’, ‘heresy’ and ‘false prophecy’ which we are commanded not to accept.
You’ll have to explain this statement to me. Because you have concluded and judged Todd of all these things. This is fully based on YOUR evaluation and you call this discernment. While I understand why you might conclude these things about Todd, to me it is a prideful notion to say that you can see that Todd is guilty of ALL these things. The reason I use the term mistakes is because I can pull probably a few statements a night and fit them into one of the categories you are accusing Todd of. However, only God knows where his heart is at. I have made confusing statements from the pulpit in my own ministry that people have made drastic false assumptions about. I meant good by those statements… I have learned from counseling not to conclude anything about anyone unless I know them well and talk to them frequently. Have you ever talked with Todd? Do you know him? By the way, I have thousands of hours in counseling/ministry experience and part of those hours i have dealt with demons. I DID discern the spirits in Florida. I will never suggest that I am immune to deception. I am very careful in any meeting I go to. I have enough experience to know that things are not always as they seem.
Furthermore, when I talk about fruit, I mean healings, salvations, deliverances that can be verified in people. The leader I travelled with is 2 years removed from a heart transplant. His lungs were greatly affected by the damage of his old heart. He could barely move around without having to sit down and catch his breath. he was healed of his breathing condition. He danced for the first time in 4 years and sustains this new found energy at home to today. We checked his vitals every night together. He is in his 60’s, a formy Army Ranger from Nam, and has been in ministry for years. He came down to verify if the revival was from God or not. He was profoundly touched by God. I was profoundly touched by the Lord and I have a new found boldness. I participated on the ministry team with Freshfire because they choose approx. 30 senior leaders from the nations to help them. I verified healings myself, including a shocked lady that was nearly completely deaf in both ears and was holding her hearing aids. Her friend was weeping profusely with joy. I verified that she could hear. They definitely do NOT contrive healings. The locals in Lakeland also told us many happy testimonies of healings salvations and the nice people from the nations. They are now ministering in the streets every weekday during the afternoon. That’s what I mean by fruit.
By the way, what happened in Toronto?
The article was way too long as a comment and was also too far off topic for this post. Post points where they are relevant.
I think perhaps I am confused about the theological belief of the majority here. Could someone, besides Darren, please give me an idea of the basic belief here.
Is the miraculous(what I would call Godly intervention in the lives of His creation in a way that clearly only God could do, not man) accepted, at all?
Yes, I know that when God allows, Satan does duplicate. As he is certainly a copy-cat in a perverted way.
Is there any minister that is used as a vessel of God to heal, deliver, etc that IS accepted here?
I am in no way asking this in a sarcastic way. I just haven’t read any posts that support the Bibilical accounts of God’s supernatural intervention in the lives of His creation.
Thank you..
Kathrun – most of the people that come here are pro healing, pro prophecy, pro all the gifts – they are not cessationists. I have been miraculously healed and use the gifts of the Spirit, as do many others. The case as we keep on saying is we are against the false – is that so hard to understand?
Dave
I spend a lot of time creating an index to all Todd Bentley articles for a reason – please go check it out of top right of this blog.
You say only God knows where his heart is at. Well I know, on many points (not all). Greed, lying, pride. And this is proven – follow the links. Are you ok with all his lying?
We pray for you to realize your mistakes. You are a sad sad fool
Aw now Bob. That was not very loving! Touch not my anointed. Who are you to Judge. Wait to See The Fruit. It’s is in the name of Jesus and she has miracles too! How can it be of the devil when miracles follow her? Pharisee! Such a religious spirit! Jesus loved!
who is “bob” talking about and who is the “we”?
Darren,
From a Biblical study I believe that fruit is more equal to “good works” than doctrine or teaching. I believe Scripture bears this principle out. True good works are based largely on love. If fruit was teachings and doctrines, God would have given a believer a larger platform to “judge”. We are not to judge one another. I FULLY understand to be wary of false signs and wonders. To be honest (I really enjoy healings and miracles) I did not go to Florida for the signs and wonders and doctrine. I am saying that Jesus said in the gospels that many would be LED astray by the signs and wonders. In 2 Peter false prophets and teachers will introduce destructive heresies and some of those heresies will deny Jesus. Being led astray is not a momentary lapse of judgment. Being led is an ongoing, deliberate process that ultimately leads away from the Lord. I am also saying the key that Jesus used to mark a false prophet is by their fruit/good works. Todd has not denied Jesus, He gives glory to Him. There are many good works coming out of the revival. I have had change in my own life and have verified many, many others. That is why I am asking the question: What do you believe is happening to the people that are going to the revival? How are they being misled? The approx. 25 people that have been down there from my ministry have come back loving Jesus more than before. I have watched them carefully and their love has begun to bear fruit.
While I don’t have enough time to continue “debating” the revival, I will respond about fruit.
You use 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12. Are you saying that every person that goes to Florida does not love the truth and they are taking pleasure in unrighteousness or wickedness?(using v. 12).
My ulitmate point in all of this is that we have to examine false prophets by their fruit/good works not their fruit/teaching/doctrine UNLESS their teaching/doctrine leads people away from Jesus being Lord and Savior. Todd is leading people to Jesus. He has a different ministry style but he is leading people to Jesus. Therefore, it is extremely dangerous to assume he is a false prophet unless you have proof of something I don’t. He is leading people to jesus and good fruit is coming out of the revival…You have concluded something else. You must have more than you are letting on…
Endtime,
. I am not ok with lying but I also know how hard it is to remember everything you have said publicly the last 10 years. I am saying that we can NOT make judgments for sure unless we know the person. The internet blog phenomenon is an explosive untamed “horse”. I have found it full of misinformation.
Sorry for long post. I was trying to respond to your response to my former comment. I did not try and stray off topic. It was much longer than anticipated
Endtime,
I also believe that Kathryn made a good point and deserves to be answered. Is there a public minister that you do approve of?
I just got back from seeing Todd B. I love Jesus;but this guy is a joke.
Dave
No, this is not about that Dave, or about simple and innocent slips. (But if something is the truth, you would recall it perhaps vaguer but not have glaring contradictions) This is also about frequent lies – did you look at the index of lies and contradictions and cover ups in the last few weeks alone. You simply cannot justify that or excuse it.
Mariam says of Bob saying: “We pray for you to realize your mistakes. You are a sad, sad fool.”…
…”Aw now Bob. That was not very loving! Touch not my anointed. Who are you to Judge. Wait to See The Fruit. It’s is in the name of Jesus and she has miracles too! How can it be of the devil when miracles follow her? Pharisee! Such a religious spirit! Jesus loved!”
Are you all insane? How in the world can you criticize the multiple ministers on your “hit list” and believe that God ordained a Prophet who would speak with such venom. Talk about a spirit of guile.
You guys crack me up..Talk about deception. Oh my!!!
You don’t even know the heart of the God you claim to serve.
No Kathryn does not ‘deserve’ to be answered. What is her motive for asking this qurstion? It is not real interest to know the truth, but it is done in order to try and be sarcastic and undermining (as she has done several times and thinks I do not know) – just like the questions ‘do signs and wonders follow your ministry’?
Both of these questions, apart from not being questions with interest in the truth in the answer, are not the right questions to ask anyway. I would say this to whoever they were asked of. This is not about defending me, it is a principle about any one who rightly shouts a warning, anywhere -
If I reported a robbery to the cop station, would they ask me first who I thought someone who was NOT a thief was? No, of course not, it is irrelevant and diverting. It is either true someone is a robber, or it is not. No need to point the finger anywhere else.
If someone said to you, “that minister raped me!”, would you demand signs and wonders from the witness as evidence the person was telling the truth about the fact the minister was a rapist? It would be an irrelevent diverting question to get to the truth in this case – and so with this re Todd Bentley.
One does not have to be able to parly off a list of true ministers on request, and have signs and wonders following them, to look at all the biblical and physical evidence and say – Todd is a liar and cheat! He abuses the saints. He is a greedy charltan with no fear of God. He is a false prophet etc.
So Kathryn - at last you judge yourself! I have only quoted all the critics of me, including you – you evidently do not realise sarcasm when you see it.
So if I speak by the spirit of guile, and am decieved and venomous, for saying these things (Oh let me add more here, ‘do not blaspheme the spirit’, and ‘let him who is without sin cast the first stone’ and ‘let the wheat and tares alone’ and ‘God is the judge’ and ‘how can you know my heart for God alone is able to know’ ) what spirit do you speak by Kathryn? For you have said many of the exact same things except said not tongue in cheek to make a point, but in order to attempt to undermine and not build up – and without wisdom or God’s counsel. Oh, the hypocrisy of you, Kathryn! I have known all along what you are and what your agenda is, but some others here have not seen it. Why? Why? Why? What’s with you? Repent Kathryn! Love truth.
I WOULD BE VERY CARFULL SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT GOD ANOINTED,TODD IS A MAN OF GOD
Endtime,
Fair enough. I think I agree with you. You do not have to give a list of your approved ministers. I guess I am simply wondering what causes two people, you and I who obviously love Jesus, to have such differeing views on a major event such as a revival or one man such as Todd Bentley. I too have been divinely healed by God. I have a healing ministry with verified healings in it. It seems that you have operated in the gifts of the Holy Spirit also. It is amazing to me how we can look at something so differently.
Anyway, I know you don’t have to answer this and probably won’t but I would love your thoughts about Bill Johnson and also why so many Christian ministeries have endorsed the revival as being from God. (Like CBN, Charisma magazine, IHOP, Morningstar, God TV etc.)
I guess we can laugh about this in Heaven.
And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God…..
…that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
To the mockers of “the tangible transferable anointing” Todd discusses and declares:
2 Timothy 1:6
Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, WHICH IS IN THEE BY THE PUTTING ON OF MY HANDS.
Whose hands? Paul’s.
Just a noval thought,
Two months ago I tuned in to Godtv and saw this strange looking man (tattos& piercings)praying for people to be healed and they clamed to be healed.At first I thought he was a fake ,but I could not deny what I felt in my heart and spirit.Would God,could God,use a man like this, I thought God will tell me if he is real.My wife and I agreed
in prayer.About two days later I went to bed and the holy spirit started to move me and I heard God say the name Tood Bentley.In an instant, I also saw the name Todd Bentley and I started to feel the fire of the holy spirit so strong it lifted me almost off the bed.
If people would pray and ask God if someone is real before you rush to judge, he might
tell you.
I wish God would speak my name that way.
PS.No one is perfect but Christ
Miriam, can you explain to me how you test the presence of God?
If you test the prescense or peace or heat as you mentioned it earlier by asking questions, how do you know that the lysing spirits is not just faking answeres??
Could not a lying spirit just say ” Yes I confess Jesus Christ came in flesh”?
The reason I am asking these queastions is that i have never heard of this kind of testing before.
I have always been taught when God speaks or mainifest you would just know it is him. I cannot see the apostles questioning the spirits when they gained divine insights in the book of acts. They just boldy proclaim god told me this, the spirit showed me this …as if they instantly knew it was god and did not have to test it.
If one has tasted the real precense and peace of Jesus my thought have always been that one would recognize this instantly.
I have become very clear to me the importance of testing spirits after reading this blog. If you e.g apply A.w Tozer ‘testing the spirits’ on Todd bentley it becomes pretty obvious what he is.
Is it not so that perople can experience the geunine presence of God in lakeland despite Todd bentley. Like you say in another post, many genuine believers really had godly encounters in Toronto.
I would really like to have some of your thoughts on this.
(you can just mail it privatley if you want to. It’s the same to me)
Thnks!!
If God is the centre of this current revival…and people are looking to Jesus the Redeemer and not a man does this mean God is not working? Would it not be prudent to do as the high preist in the books of Acts and say…if this is of man it will die and if it is of God trying to stop it is sheer folly? Surely if the centre is Christ this is of Him? People are focused on God the Father and Jesus Christ..not a man….bears thought you think?
endtimespropheticwords- i’m glad you did this article.
There is such a lack of wisdom in the church nowadays that it seems like people are happy to believe anything.
My mother is into this guy, i keep telling her to stay with the church. Most people just want the sugar rush and when they experience the ’spiritual’ lows they start to blame the devil.
One more question for you Miriam.
I cannot recall where in the bible, but in one of the gospels there are a story where the diciples asks Jesus if they should prevent someone who where casting out demons and healing people in Jesus name, but where not in their company. Jesus tells them not to do so.
I have heard pastors use this verse to support Lakeland.
Is this right?
Do you know these verses and their meaning?
I am not sure what to think of them.
Thnks!!
Morten,
Look at NASB Philippians 1:15
Some, to be sure, are preaching Christ even fromenvy and strife, but some also fromgood will;
16 the latter do itout of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel;
17 the former proclaim Christ out of selfish ambition ratherthan from pure motives, thinking to cause me distress in my imprisonment.
18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed; and in this I rejoice.
Yes, and I will rejoice,
19 for I know that this will turn out for my deliverancethrough your prayersand the provision of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,
OR
NASB Luke 9:49 John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name; and we tried to prevent him because he does not follow along with us.”
50 But Jesus said to him, “Do not hinder him;for he who is not against you is for you.”
That is why we have to be careful who we judge especially since Todd is NOT leading people away from Jesus
“And now I will show you the most excellent way. If I speak in tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophesy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I AM NOTHING. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I GAIN NOTHING.
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror, then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
And now these three remain faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.”
GOD EXALTS CHRISTLIKE CHARACTER MORE THAN A MINISTRY, FAITH OR THE POSSESSION OF SPIRITUAL GIFTS.
GOD VALUES AND EMPHASIZES CHARACTER THAT ACTS IN LOVE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS, UNSELFISHNESS, HATRED FOR EVIL AND LOVE FOR THE TRUTH, HONESTY AND ENDURANCE IN RIGHTEOUSNESS MUCH MORE THAN FAITH TO MOVE MOUNTAINS OR TO PERFORM GREAT ACHIEVEMENTS IN THE CHURCH.
THE GREATEST IN GOD’S KINGDOM WILL BE THOSE WHO ARE GREAT IN INWARD GODLINESS AND LOVE FOR GOD, NOT NECESSARILY THOSE WHO ARE GREATEST IN OUTWARD ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
GOD’S LOVE POURED OUT WITHIN THE BELIEVERS HEART THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ALWAYS GREATER THAN FAITH, HOPE OR ANYTHING ELSE.
Oh my, the reactions of God’s people. Is there love? This little scriptures is for both sides of this debate.
The FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with it passions and desires. Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. Let us not become conceited provoking and envying each other.
Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted. Carry each others burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. Each one should TEST his own actions. Then he can take pride in himself, without comparing himself to somebody else, for each one should carry his own load…….REad on in Galatians 5:19-26, 6:1-10.
Gal. 5:15 If you keep on biting and devouring each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
Kathryn,
I believe every word in the Bible. So, yes I do believe in miracles. I believe in the empowering of the Christian by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And I believe the Holy Spirit bears witness of Christ, and Him alone, as the center of all things in life.
I knew that you worked in some gift, for you jealously guarded it, and fear of man kept you from revealing what you believe is God’s work through you. I do not say this to deny your work. What alarms me is that to seek verification of your own gift, you would guard a man who is obviously, by his teachings and his actions, in error. Is the Spirit not grieved by lies, by greed, by fleshly pride? The Holy Spirit reveals Christ and our great needfulness of Him-as we are darkness without Him–for He consecrated Himself for our sanctification in the truth; by His grace we seek purity, not power; His kingdom, not our own here in this sinful world. We come to Him, not angels of money and healing, no matter what we “feel”, no matter what we see.
“Sanctify them in the truth; your word is the truth.”
And where this truth is not spoken, deception will reign.
What would the healing and health and wealth group think of this?
God’s Painful Exegetical Help
Posted: 12 Jun 2008 06:17 AM CDT
(Author: John Piper)
In this week’s Taste & See Article, I pointed out from Psalm 119: 67 and 71 that God sends affliction to help us learn his word.
Before I was afflicted I went astray, but now I keep your word. . . . It is good for me that I was afflicted, that I might learn your statutes.
I didn’t ask how affliction helps us understand God’s word and keep it. There are innumerable answers, as there are innumerable experiences. But here are five:
1. Affliction takes the glibness of life away and makes us more serious so that our mindset is more in tune with the seriousness of God’s word.
2. Affliction knocks worldly props from under us and forces us to rely more on God which brings us more in tune with the aim of the word.
3. Affliction makes us search the scriptures with greater desperation for help rather than treating it as marginal to life.
4. Affliction brings us into the fellowship of Christ’s sufferings so that we fellowship more closely with him and see the world more readily through his eyes.
5. Affliction mortifies deceitful and distracting fleshly desires, and so brings us into a more spiritual frame which fits God’s word more.
I pray that we will not begrudge the pedagogy of God.
i’ve been watching this revival down in florida. there are some things that i do not agree with, but the first night i watched it, i got chills. i think you have to be pretty sure about what you are saying before you publicly criticize a man of God. Regardless of how weird Todd is at times, people are getting healed and there are documented healings…. isn’t that what being a Christian is all about? or what it should be about…
Emily,
Please post just ONE of those ‘documented healings’, because I haven’t seen any documentation.
And Christianity is most DEFINATELY NOT about people getting healed. If you think that’s ‘what it’s all about’, then you need to stop listening to the health and wealth teachers and read your bible.
Christianity is about following Christ and being obedient to His Word, something that Todd Bentley has failed at again and again. (and that IS DOCUMENTED right here on this site)
People say ‘he is healing people’.
Some are even saying there is documented proof.
Please, i beg you, give me any proof you have, any contacts, any names, time of the event.
Give me absolutely any proof of this happening.
You say there is proof then give me one lead. If you are unable to give me any evidence or lead then check yourself.
I’ve seen the program, i’ve seen his ‘claiming’ healings.
Give me the number of one of these people who have been healed. Anything please. I am a sceptic as you can see by my rant but to be honest if i was able to verify one healing it would be much more convincing.
I personally attended the Lakeland FL Revival back in April. And I will never be the same – it has ignited a fiery passion of God in me and is contagious. Many of my church members and friends have also attended the revival. My pastor and his wife are very good friends with Todd Bentley. They just came back from the revival and were also powerfully touched by the Lord. We are familiar with his ministry and know that the fruit he produces in the Lord is good fruit. Todd’s testimony is incredible. He was supernaturally delivered by the Spirit of the Lord from drugs and alcohol and has been serving the Lord faithfully for ten years. He is a powerful teacher of the Word of God and has a love and passion for the lost, the orphans, the widows, the sick. That is why God is using him so powerfully. God uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise.
Since my return from Lakeland, I have been witnessing miracles for those that I pray for. I will list them below – and I am just getting started – praise God!
A friend and I prayed over the phone while he was in FL and has come out of the revival. His little niece who lives in the state of Washington was very sick and was running a very high fever. Her grandmother had taken her into the emergency room because she couldn’t get her temperature to come down. Once my friend Sal and I prayed she was instantly healed in the emergency room. I received a call back from my friend about one hour later saying that Jesus healed his niece.
I prayed for my friend Joyce. She had a growth on her neck which the doctor identified as a “tag”. It was the size of a large wart and she said it was very painful. I cursed the growth at the root and commanded it to go in Jesus name. A couple of days later she realized that it hadn’t been bothering her and when she looked at her neck – the growth was completely gone!
I visited a nursing home with my friend Joyce to visit a man that she does house cleaning for. He was very depressed and has cancer. When I prayed for him he felt the depression leave him and felt joy. He received Jesus as His Lord. He also felt no more pain in his body. The man next to him happened to be a preacher who also needed healing in his body. I prayed for him and the pain in his foot left! He had suffered complications from diabetes. I believe the Lord will heal them both, in Jesus name! We will go back to the hospital again to visit them.
Then I prayed for my friend Joyce again who had been having pain because of a car accident she had a few years ago. The pain left her back, her neck and the sciatic pain in her legs was gone!
This anointing is transferable and contagious! I am a minister in the healing rooms in my church and I am believing for more miraculous healings and signs and wonders – in Jesus name!
A prophet is recognized as true when the word he has spoken comes to pass. If it doesn’t, it was not the word of the Lord. Deuteronomy 13:1-5; 18:21-22; Jeremiah 28:9
The source of a ministry cannot be determined merely by signs of the miraculous (Deuteronomy 13:1-5). Satan can perform lying signs and wonders. Exodus 7:11; 8:17-19; 2 Thessalonians 2:9, 11, 12; Revelation 13:13, 14
If the person entices people to follow after another god (Revelation 13:1-5), or speaks of another savior, another spirit, or another gospel, he is not sent by God (2 Corinthians 11:4).
Who is emma o?
I know that if it doesn’t center on and exalt the person and work of Jesus Christ, it’s not Holy Spirit-breathed revival (John 16:14; Colossians 1:18).
I know that if it wasn’t produced by the preaching of the Word of God, it’s not Holy Spirit-breathed revival (Nehemiah 9).
I know that if it doesn’t produce greater conformity to the written word of God, it’s not Holy Spirit-breathed revival (Psalm 138:2; Matthew 28:18-20; John 8:31-32; 2 Peter 1:19-21)
I know that if it doesn’t produce holy living, which includes adorning behavior and specifically self-control, it isn’t Holy Spirit-breathed revival (Galatians 5:22-23).
I know that if the leaders of it aren’t men well-known for embodying/pursuing the pastoral traits of 1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:6-9, and specifically for being in subjection to, and for soundly teaching, the whole Word of God, it’s unlikely to be a Holy Spirit-breathed revival.
Mr. Bentley is a certified false prophet/teacher from the infamous Elijah List, an umbrella group that markets all the bogus “prophetic” material their many seers sell. Many of these forerunners for the antichrist are heralding this outbreak as the much touted outpouring of the “Latter Rain” and “Third Wave”. One of the main problems with Mr. Bentley’s healings though, is that he is doing so(admittedly) by the power of a supposed female angel named Emma-O. This is the same spirit that supposedly “birthed” the Kansas City Prophet movement & The Pensacola and Toronto Revivals (among her many accomplishments). The Encyclopedia Britannica identifies Emma-o in Japanese Buddhist mythology as the overlord of hell. The information contained in this teaching is truly unbelievable but easily verifiable & well documented.
One eyewitness described the manifestations
going on at the impartation of Bentley’s “anointing”:
“These are the effects that I have witnessed on people who have attended this movement and either have had hands laid on them or claim to have been imparted with ‘the spirit’: -They come back with this kind of childlike drunken stupor. -Descriptions of a burning sensation either in their veins,
heads or stomachs. -Descriptions of being washed back and forth like the waves in the ocean;-Dancing about like drunk…-Inappropriate yelling and screaming like they’re at a football game;-Young men whistling over and over and holding their heads and claiming that they ‘feel the Holy Spirit about to split them in two’; -One young man’s back two teeth turned completely to some metallic finish.-People with their eyes rolled in the back of their heads and weaving around like they’re lost.-Women just gyrating
and pulsating like they’re being ravaged from behind from some unseen force. -Drunken uncontrollable laughter in the middle of a solemn prayer time…-People being ’slain in the spirit’… just falling down and being unable to move (like something’s holding them down).”
Bentley’s Source of Power
We don’t have to play a guessing game to discern the source of Bentley’s power over undiscerning people. His own testimony reveals how he reportedly tapped into the spirit realm for the key to do signs and wonders. In one of his “Fresh Fire” classes called “The Secret Place” (circa 2005, CD on file), Bentley takes his followers to Psalm 91 for his proof-text in examining how to get power.
Here is the text in Psalm 91:1-2
“He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. I will say of the Lord, ‘He is my refuge and my fortress; My God, in Him I will trust.’”
And here is Bentley’s paraphrase of it that he gave in a gravely shouting voice:
“He who dwells, not visits, dwells in the abode of God shall be like the Most High in that you will be uppermost, far above, in the highest excellence of anything that you do in your life as supreme ruler in your circumstances. He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High is supreme, far above uppermost, highest heights of heaven, lofty,
excellence, overcoming Christian. Are you understanding me?!?”
So, according to Bentley, those who dwell in the secret place are “supreme” –supreme what? Lofty? Uppermost? Do those words sound familiar?
(Isaiah 14:12-14)
It is hard to tell the difference between the words of Bentley and those of Satan!
He went on to elaborate:
“You see, I want to be fruitful; I want to be far above. I want to be a conqueror; I want to be a mountain of strength; I want to be greatness. You know, we like that word greatness. Well, he who dwells in the secret place
of the Most High automatically comes into everything that the Almighty is. It happens.”
And here’s God’s response to the devil and to Bentley if he does not repent: (Isaiah 14:15)
The parallel passage to the description of Lucifer in Isaiah 14 is the 28th chapter of Ezekiel. Here God further describes His arch-enemy as one who has a great
love for treasure.
Contrast that with Todd Bentley’s focus on riches as documented in an article called “ANGELS” & the FLORIDA HEALING REVIVAL – Warning!” written by Andrew Strom, a historian of the Charismatic Movement, who quoted Bentley
from an article Bentley wrote in 2003 called “Angelic Hosts.” Bentley wrote:
“So when I need a financial breakthrough I don’t just pray and ask God for my financial breakthrough. I go into intercession and become a partner with the angels by petitioning the Father for the angels that are assigned to
getting me money: ‘Father, give me the angels in heaven right now that are assigned to get me money and wealth. And let those angels be released on my behalf. Let them go into the four corners of the earth and gather me money.’”
Todd’s money-gathering angel’s name is Emma, who his good friend Bob Jones (discredited “prophet” who was disciplined for using his prophetic office to get women to undress for him) credits with birthing the discredited Kansas City
Prophet movement of the late 1980s.
Scott Johnson, The Lakeland Revival
Okay, ye deceived, is any of this untrue? Delusion, deception, madness, disorder–how long Lord?
“We saw the miracles, you pharisee, and we believe!”
And Todd says “come and get some! BAM! BAM! BAM! HAHA! OH yeah, we are drunk but not as you suppose!”
Head shaking,falling on the floor–oh Lord God, how long? People can you not see the irreverance, the mocking of God? How can you watch? My heart is broken. Where are those who mark all by Scripture? Let those who are destined for captivity be taken captive, but brothers and sisters–flee from this and let no man pass this antichrist “annointing” to you. The enemy is in the camp, has been, and is now emboldened further. Christ Jesus is the victor, He will purge His people of their sin, oh Lord help us
Darren and John Henry,
Have you ever preached or conducted healing ministry of any kind? People do many things under the anointing. Todd’s personality comes out and he is pretty radical. You call it irreverance, however, Jesus said we are to become like little children to inherit the kingdom. Was King David irreverant when he danced like he did? Were the disciples irreverant when they were “drunk” in the Holy Spirit at Pentecost? I understand that you have already concluded that Todd is evil and so there is no turning back for you. You need to clarify how to perfectly minister for God. What would you say? How would you minister? By the way, you are very dramatic in your language also…
One of the leaders of our ministry had his lungs healed at the revival. He is an army ranger from Vietnam and has been through many things in his life. He has been in ministry for years. he went down to check out the revival to see if it was authentic and God healed him. He had a heart transplant 2 years ago and his lungs were greatly damaged. They said he would never regain his enrgy. He would have to sit and get his breath after climbing ten stairs. We were at the revival 4 nights and he nearly had more energy than me. He danced for the first time in 4 years and his enrgy has stayed since we have been back. That was 3 weeks ago. He is healed. He is not one to lie or dramatize anything. I’ll even ask him if you can call him and I will come back to this blog and give his phone number…
To all the blind guides here:
Luke 11:44 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! F90 For you are like graves which are not seen, and the men who walk over them are not aware of them.” 45 Then one of the lawyers answered and said to Him, “Teacher, by saying these things You reproach us also.” 46 And He said, “Woe to you also, lawyers! For you load men with burdens hard to bear, and you yourselves do not touch the burdens with one of your fingers. 47 Woe to you! For you build the tombs of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. 48 In fact, you bear witness that you approve the deeds of your fathers; for they indeed killed them, and you build their tombs. 49 Therefore the wisdom of God also said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and persecute,’ 50 that the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world may be required of this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah who perished between the altar and the temple. Yes, I say to you, it shall be required of this generation. 52 Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did not enter in yourselves, and those who were entering in you hindered.” 53 And as He said these things to them, F91 the scribes and the Pharisees began to assail Him vehemently, and to cross-examine Him about many things, 54 lying in wait for Him, and seeking to catch Him in something He might say, that they might accuse Him.
Lord Jesus, purify your Church. Endtimepropheticwords, I truly appreciate how well you’ve responded to so many of these blogs and the honesty and, I believe, genuine sincerity of concern for truth to be upheld. While stumbling across this and perusing the following interchanges I’ve gained quite a lot of respect for your love of Christ and dedication to Scripture and correct interpretation of it. Regardless of my personal feelings about Todd, the main thing I was struck with was how incredibly un-Christlike the vast majority of this forum was! These are supposed to be Christians, lovers of Jesus and each other, squabbling and bickering over doctrine in judgment and hypocrisy? Truly the need for prayer is more urgent than ever. I will agree desperately in prayer with you and everyone else who truly loves the Lord that we can be knit together in unity “that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.” Everyone who has written a critical word on here, will write or is thinking of writing, please stop and ask yourself: What is my heart for the people I am speaking to? Who are you glorifying, Jesus or yourself? Todd Bentley? Any of the other aforementioned Christian ministers? Speak with the heart of Jesus, pray and seek the Lord before condemning anyone, judging their words or actions and remember, you will be accountable one day for every word you have spoken.
BP, (which I assume stands for blind Pharasee)
Once again, you do a great job of making our point for us.
First of all, I guess the point here in your selection of scripture is that for centuries the scribes, etc. did not heed the words of the prophets. In fact, the woman who runs this site, Miriam, is a prophet.
And since YOU refuse to heed her warnings about Todd Bentley, I guess that means, BY THE STANDARD THAT YOU SET FORTH IN YOUR CHOOSING OF SCRIPTURE, that you are CALLING YOURSELF a Pharassee and a hypocrite.
Isn’t that correct? Isn’t that the point that you were trying to make? Well, good then, point taken. Please now begin to recieve the words of the prophet so that you won’t be like those Pharassees you mention.
By the way, I don’t expect you to answer this directly, since, just like the last time you tried to use scripture to defend Todd Bentley and of course in ended up accusing him instead. (see #353 and the posts that follow it)
You see, BP, it’s painfully obvious that you don’t understand the scriptures. You throw up a scripture where Jesus criticizes the Pharassies, but you don’t put up any explaination of how that applies to anyone here. Anyone can post that scripture and then call someone a Pharasee, but the real question is this – What was Jesus criticizing the Pharasees for?
Well, it appears from the text that Jesus didn’t like the way they defended their form of religion while ignoring the true revelation of who He was. A parallel today would be defending and approving of anything religious while ignoring the revelation given in the Word of God.
So, to pull an example out of thin air, let’s say there’s this religious activity going on in, I don’t know, let’s say Lakeland, Florida. So the modern day Pharassee might defend and prop up this religious activity while ignoring the words of scripture which say that:
false prophets will appear and do many signs and wonders,
we are to test the spirits and see if they’re from God,
we are to judge those inside the church who are sinning,
not trust those who claim to be super apostles, etc.
Anyway, that’s what I modern day Pharasee might look like and what he might do. Let’s join together and oppose these Pharasees and warn the church about them, OK?
“People do many things under the anointing.”
Yes, I have seen the things that are done under this “anointing”.
The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Godhead, He is not some force to be manipulated or bought. “Come and get some!” Get some what? Just what do you believe this man– who does not hold to Scripture–is giving you? Does Todd Bentley deliver you from your sin? Why do you think you defend him, not Scriptural Truth? Why do you defend one who teaches of manipulating the spirits, one who lies, one whose doctrine of Christ is in error, and one who treats the blessed Holy Spirit as a force and not as a Person? One who would distract you with “angels”, not draw your eyes to Christ Jesus? Because you have seen miracles? So did Simon the Sorcerers followers, but was he not in error? If it does not stand in the light of Scripture, no matter what you feel or see, it is deception and error.
“You call it irreverance, however, Jesus said we are to become like little children to inherit the kingdom.”
Yes, we must look to our Father in absolute dependence and trust and love for all things, living in His providential care and accepting His discipline that we may be purified of sin, and worshipping Him in truth and in spirit. His children will not be swayed from the truth of His revelation in Scripture. His children cling to the cross of Christ Jesus and count the world and the flesh as nothing. They overcome all in faith.
Though others may, I will not boast in what the Lord in His grace has given me to do, but I will say it does not take a stadium filled with money to accomplish; there are hospitals and homeless shelters and alleyways–no stadiums and no church buildings, only a hungry and thirsty and perishing world blind to its need of Him.
“You need to clarify how to perfectly minister for God. What would you say? How would you minister?”
I preach Christ and Him crucified. Felt needs are of no matter. We have no freedom of choice in beliefs and actions that have once for all been prescribed by the Lord Jesus Christ. I refuse to hear or teach or preach any other Gospel than the one delivered by Christ and His apostles. I have not been to seminary, nor received any other training by men. Two years ago, I heard and I believed and I set down my life; this was no emotional answer to an “altar call”; it didn’t even happen in a church. I thank God for the obedience of his servant who brought me the Good News. The Lord brought radical change to my life, which I now count as nothing that I might come to know Him. The life He has given me to live now is the greatest most wild adventure I could ever dream, and the glory is His alone, and the increase is His alone, and to Him there has been increase, praise the Lord our God and His Son Jesus Christ! He has sheltered me in the storms and He has protected me when I walked into dark places following Him. Brothers and sisters, we are all equal at the foot of the Cross. Let no man be exalted for a gift, but let all be humbled by the greatness of our God.
The Gospel is His appointed vehicle of sinful man’s deliverance–there is no other.
One of the main problems with Mr. Bentley’s healings though, is that he is doing so(admittedly) by the power of a supposed female angel named Emma-O. The Encyclopedia Britannica identifies Emma-o in Japanese Buddhist mythology as the overlord of hell. The information contained in this teaching is truly unbelievable but easily verifiable & well documented.
How do you disciples of Bentley answer to this?
I know that if it doesn’t center on and exalt the person and work of Jesus Christ, it’s not Holy Spirit-breathed revival (John 16:14; Colossians 1:18).
I know that if it wasn’t produced by the preaching of the Word of God, it’s not Holy Spirit-breathed revival (Nehemiah 9).
I know that if it doesn’t produce greater conformity to the written word of God, it’s not Holy Spirit-breathed revival (Psalm 138:2; Matthew 28:18-20; John 8:31-32; 2 Peter 1:19-21)
BP, talk about scripture twisting for your own agenda. We are believers and are saved. You just don’t like what we have to say. No one here is a jewish scribe or Pharesee. Man you really need to study your Bible better.
I guess you won’t like this but soo applicable to today’s revival-
“The prophets are prophesying falsehood in my name. I have neither sent them nor commanded them nor spoken to them;they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds.”
Jere14:14
Luke 11: (again…v52-)
Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did not enter in yourselves, and those who were entering in you hindered.”
And as He said these things to them, the scribes and the Pharisees began to assail Him vehemently, and to cross-examine Him about many things,
lying in wait for Him, and seeking to catch Him in something He might say, that they might accuse Him.
Darren,
You have an awesome testimony and I don’t want you to think I am taking away from that. It sounds like the Lord has touched you. I also am not defending Bentley as much as it seems many are. I have an enormous concern for those that have concluded evil about someone who I believe to be the Lord’s. I would defintely have concern if Todd had ongoing and intimate association with an angel called Emma, but from what I understand he said he saw a female angel in a meeting years back. Bob Jones defined it as the angel Emma. It might something good in that meeting. It was not an evil thing. It was a one time thing. Todd has currently stated that he has no affiliation with female angels and doesn’t believe there are female angels. What he saw was a representaion of something God was doing in the meeting.
Anyway, the hardest thing for me is so many conclusions are drawn so quickly about people. I have read more of this site and you can quickly conclude from this site that a large segment of the ministers of the body of Christ are “allegedly” false. And millions more are “deceived” by them. Where does that leave the pure and spotless Bride? that Jesus will come back for?
Hey guys,Todd Bentley is no idol of mine,and I set my heart to follow Jesus and not man. But if the sick are healed and people have been set free or delivered, then who are we to judge? Todd Bentley ,like all of us are accountable to the one true God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who is one with the Father.
“And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.Luke 9:49-50.
Has anyone seen Todd Bentley casting out demons in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. If so, then how can satan cast out satan. Can a divided kingdom stand if it is against itself?
“But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth. If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub”.Luke 11:17-18.
Now, as for any works of the flesh that this man may have committed in your sight,he is not accountable to you but to God.Did you know that being an ambassaddor of Christ is not just about being on stage preaching. Every day we make mistakes and stuff up and even make up the odd exaggerated story. I have to truly repent of course.
Has this man ever denied Christ or never thanked God for his salvation through Jesus?
So let God be judge and give him glory for the wonderful works.
To all the people who follow the “experience” and the “man”, I say, follow and worship and love Jesus with all your heart and desire him more and more and he will keep you safe.
To the moderators of this site, I would say,That if your time is so consumed with continual judgment then I fear that you will never see revival in your own lives because you are so obssessed with finding flaws in everyone elses lives. Love in Jesus Name (and not being sarcastic)Gary-A chief sinner saved by the wonderful grace of a loving God.
The simple truth is in what Jesus said, “satan cannot cast out Satan.” People have been delivered from demonic activity in their lives in Bentleys meetings. That’s the work of the Holy Spirit of God. I visited the revival for 4 nights to see for myself what was happening there, and I was blessed and touched by the presence of God. There was no money hunger, no false teaching, no apparrant self seeking, just lifting up Jesus for hours and hours each night. I wonder if many people are not simply jealous that someone spends more time lifting up Jesus Christ than they do, and getting better results in their ministry because of it? It’s all about Jesus, or it aint ministry.
We are living in the last days and we need to be careful. This is another good website to check out.
http://www.raptureready.com/featured/chambers/jc21.html
Dave: Todd lied about Emma repeatedly and we can prove it – in addition to numerous other lies. She is not just in the past, Bob Jones prophesied her there on May 13th. I actually have more concern about someone lying about not saying something they have done, than believing something false in the first place. It indicates they are callously deceptful and not sincerely wrong.
Wow, I think I got half way through the comments when my heart couldn’t take reading anymore.
I find myself deeply grieved to hear you guys fighting in the name of God and it I think it gives all of us a bad rap… especially for others trying to find out the “truth” that don’t even know Jesus. Imagine coming upon this page after searching for “Jesus” which is how I came across this.
Please pray about this guys. It’s really sad. Put down your weapons…no one is winning here and you’re doing more damage than good. Calling people “a fool” if they disagree is definitely not cool and makes me feel like I wasted my time reading your article. If this is how you treat people, how am I to respect what you are teaching right or wrong?
And you know, the majority of you took offense so much that you acted in the exact spirit you were trying to come against. Ironic isn’t it? If I didn’t have my own opinion, I’d be inclined to listen to neither side from anyone that posted here. While some relied solely on the Word of God, most used it as a weapon and not in a good way. This is the kind of thing that makes people angry with “Christians”. What do you have that’s so special, that makes you have such grace and kindness to others even when you don’t agree…what makes me want what you have that’s missing from my life? You have to slam each other over the head over and over until it dies? Is that Jesus in you? No thanks.
This isn’t directed to all of you.
Amen Jane, you said what I have tried to say, but they don’t listen, they ignore it, so they can keep on in the name of Jesus and the word of GOD. This is a spiritual battle and needs to be turned over to GOD and let him deal with it and we should pray for our brothers and sisters.
Angie and Jane,
The truth tends to separate people. That is the real spiritual battle. Souls are being led away into deception and apostacy.
Jane and Angie,
Let’s say that instead of Todd’s angel in Lakeland, we were discussing Joseph Smith’s angel of Mormonism.
Since Smith’s angel came on the scene, literally millions of people have been led astray and led to hell by that false teaching.
I guess my question is this: If you were there at the outset of Mormanism, would you be warning and pleading Christians to stay away in the strongest possible terms, or would you be urging them “play nice” and not get involved.
I agree Mary, but I’m looking at the presentation of the truth and neither side has really demonstrated Christ like character and that is my point. But like Angie said, God will deal with it and to anyone that came across this that doesn’t know Jesus, please don’t let this be something that keeps you from further pursuing Him. Contrary to how some of His followers behave, He wouldn’t treat you this way ever. I believe this is an example of great intentions from people that possibly really do know Jesus but the effect of their message has been spoiled by immaturity. Love is patient. Love is kind. We all have stuff to learn… we’re only as strong as our weakest link everyone… That’s all I’m really saying. The bride of Christ isn’t looking very beautiful from this angle.
If you want to win someone’s heart, you don’t need to pummel them into believing you. Punching each other in the head verbally while getting all riled up over who knows Jesus best is really really counterproductive and it’s embarrassing frankly as your sister in Christ.
I’m all for a good debate but only when it is honorable and people treat each other with respect. Who knows, I might end up changing my mind. Pride will get you no where and you can tell where someone’s heart is by their actions. But I GUARANTEE you that this approach will definitely not further your cause and actually, you probably just helped out some more people get deceived by turning them off of Jesus all together. I can see it now, “See what I mean? What’s so great about these folks? They fight and banter and call each other names worse than the rest. I don’t feel like socializing with a bunch of hypocrites and THAT right there is it. Hypocrisy. That’s the turn off. Sounds like a bunch of whiners “OH I love Jesus so much. My walk with Jesus is better than yours ha ha ha… blah blah if you don’t believe me, you are an utter fool… I know you are but what am I? HAhahha I’m telling mommy!” And at brief glance of some of the other threads it’s worse!
This happens all the time in Christianese land but hey maybe one person will read this and silently change their ways, repent and love others with their actions instead of a sledgehammer.
Jane, We are commanded by God to help those who are spiritually astray, if indeed we ourselves are spiritual. And, when we do this, we must do this in the rightly, lest we be led astray as they are. Such is the Word of God. There is much sadness in the world, and a great grief to God’s heart are those who sow discord among God’s children — i.e. the one who posted this blog, and those who support him/her — whomever she/he really is.
As I posted to begin with here: he who sows discord among God’s children is a disgust to Him. Sadly, of course, such people have always believed and will always believe they are in the right– even to the point of crucifying the Lamb, and the sons of the Lamb. Don’t you see that? They attack without end, all in the name of saving us “fools” from apostacy for “following” Todd Bentley– a label given to anyone who doesn’t declare him a heretic, etc. It’s not prophetic, it’s pathetic, but wasn’t our Lord’s death a pathetic sight? Absolutely.
And so they set Barabas free and crucify the Lord, all the while thinking they are doing God a favor. Such is the Word of God, and such will it be of men. If “they” hated Jesus then, how much more His children now? The religious spirit never changes– it has been around since the fall and led astray even those with the greatest zeal and self-assumed right intent. They are the mad dogs at the riverbed, too mad to take a drink, and so the madness increases.
Again, it is sad, even tragic. I don’t see this “prophetess” who started this blog glorifying Christ in the slightest, ever. There is grace for a season on such people. For even God gave Jezebel space to repent, but she did not. Eventually she was fed to the dogs.
We are called to love one another. May we find such grace in God to accept one another in the midst of our mistakes or supposed mistakes, and not label them “fools”– as this “prophetess” Miriam is prone to do. Stay in the River Jane. Let the Lord lead and guide you and you will have rest for your soul.
God bless you.
- Dave 14/06/08
Thank you for your comment. If you get permission from your army friend, for me to contact him i would be very grateful.
It is good that all those who have proof of healing reveal it.
If you have a proof of healing please respond to this comment with any links, contacts or names & places.
Thank you to anyone who is able to give me a lead.
Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 1Cor 5:12
Please go to a video on this site–Truth Matters:Florida Revival–Todd Bentley. Disturbing. At 1:25 into it, Jeff points at Todd and calls him “Dr. Jesus”. Horrendous. And the whole thing is hard to watch.
Yes.
And it is kinda normal that a false revival falls on the Laodicean church. Jesus has come with a sword for the circumcision of the heart. But some people do not want that , do they ? No they want “more”, “more blessing”, “more Lord”. There are some who go in each and every meeting and places of “outpouring”, and they still ask for “more”. Is that Christianity ? What is it that western nations want revival without any real cost (repentance and turning away from your ways) ? We get what we deserve. But those who walk with the Lord renew their strength.
I am returning to this blog after a busy weekend during which there was still some conversation/discussion about about Todd/Lakeland with trusted and discerning family members. I’ve read through most of the comments and despite amazing insight and wisdom from Andy, Darren, Lee, Mary B and many other ‘regulars’(not forgetting Miriam!), we seem to be going in circles. I’m ashamed to admit I feel very disheartened and sad. I’m no where near as smart as you guys when it comes to scripture etc but I know in my spirit that there is danger. I am giving a talk on discernment this week to a small group meeting. Please pray for me, all you clever ones. Maybe I should get some of YOUR anointing! (Just kidding!).
Darren -
Jeff is referring to Jesus when he said “Dr. Jesus showed up” not Todd. (Just like the spirit of Levithan to twist things.) You don’t know anything about Todd or his ministry or his fruits. You also must not know anything about what God says in his Word about pouring out His spirit in the last days (Joel 2). I agree it would be very helpful for people to get spiritual discernment – you apparently don’t have it. I am fine-tuned to the presence of the Lord and can discern in my spirit what is of God and what is not. God is in this and I pray He will give you this gift so you can rightly discern and stop unrightly judging what is of God as counterfeit. God doesn’t take these things lightly.
AMEN, Tim (re: your posting of June 15)!
I was also there for 5 nights in April. My pastor spent a whole week there under Todd’s ministry. He is a personal friend of Todd’s. There is definitely the fruit and the works of the Holy Spirit in Todd’s ministry and at the Outpouring. I have been so hungry for God since being there and have been seeing healing miracles when I pray for people! Praise the Living God!
And yes, as Jesus said “a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. Satan cannot cast out satan.” I pray these people have the scales removed from their eyes and that they get out of their head knowledge (the natural mind cannot receive the things of God, neither can they know it for it is spiritually discerned) – and let the Spirit of God reveal the truth to them.
God bless you.
Lorraine
Dear Elizabeth
Just speak what the Holy Spirit has put on your heart to speak. There is a good chance they are not going to like what they hear (no matter how nice you present your concerns to them). I pray for everyone in your situation where you are to speak to Truth. God Bless and don’t be too upset if they argue with you and rebuke you – it’s almost expected. I had to learn that the hard way.
Oops, sorry accidentally clicked submit. Having said that, I pray they hear the Holy Spirit speak to them and that all goes well in Jesus’ precious name.
John Henry -
There is a compilation of the healings and medical documentation currently be done by FreshFire Ministries. These things take a while. People coming to the meetings don’t always bring their medical records or xrays with them. Also you can call Ignited Church in Lakeland, FL and ask them where you might be able to see documentation of the healings. I have witnessed miracles there first hand. Also watching the revivals every night. Some of the miracles that take place there are very obvious – like the little boy with cerebal palsy that got out of his wheel chair – and the man with Stage 4 cancer that was healed. Plus many, many more. Last night a woman with a deformed ear who was deaf from birth (she did not have bones in her hears to hear) received a creative miracle and her hearing was restored in that ear.
People who have gone to the revival or have watchd it online or on God.tv didn’t find a need to ask for proof because the proof is evident and obvious. Many skeptics have shown up at the revival to disprove it and have gotten healed by Jesus! Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever and He still heals – using willing vessels – or sovereignly.
God bless you
Darren – I wanted to share this with you re: the political spirit that is in the church today.
http://www.extremeprophetic.com/extreme_tv_radio_watch_xptv_now.htm
DanceforJesus
>>Just like the spirit of Levithan to twist things
So by this you testify that Todd has the ’spirit of Leviathan’? Why still associate with him then, let alone work with him and defend him?
Do you care about truth? We have proof that Todd lies and twists and do you care?
ps
The article you link to is theological bunkum – please stop spamming it onto this website!
Dance4Jesus,
You promote heresy and the error of Balaam, and you promote a website of false prophets who have joined together to promote each others deception, yet claim discernment. Do you, as an elitist, know the errors of Balaam? He mixed occult techniques with the work of the Holy Spirit (so does Bentley), he was motivated by money and unrighteousness, and he failed to love the Truth that has been once for all revealed by God. Scripture warns the believer not to follow those who are of the way of Balaam. Your teachers advocate special revelations and angelic intervention and set themselves apart as “specially annointed”. Oh, discerning one, do you not discern the heresy in this? These are the same heresies Paul refuted in his letter to the Colossians, and here they stand unchanged even in our day. God in His grace has provided warning, yet who will search the Scriptures to keep from being taken captive while the flesh is enthralled by “miracles”? You are deceived, o discerning one, by those who do not love the Truth and have strayed from the Way. Will you, as your teachers subtly and cleverly do, dare to call into question the all-sufficiency of Christ and the Gospel Truth, as well as the security of those who are in Christ by faith in His finished work upon the Cross? Repent and turn again to your first love, if ever you loved Him alone. If indeed you do know and love the Lord Jesus Christ, you would confess with me that we each and all are sinners saved by grace, and those who abide in Him alone will stand by the finished work of the Messiah, Jesus who has come in the flesh as the final and fulfilling revelation of the LORD. You have no right to call anyone whom Christ has chosen, redeemed, justified, and cleansed lesser than yourself for any reason. You may refute my interpretation of Scripture, but as you have already shown, you are more apt only to attack me on a personal level. The Lord Jesus warns those who follow Him of such things, and I will not be shaken. Study and refute my warnings of the heresy and error of your teachers, or else expose yourself further as a promoter of false teachers. I will continue as I am commanded in Scripture–study to show myself approved, rebuke, reprove, and expose all who would lead astray the sheep rightly called and given to the Lord Jesus Christ by the Father, our God.
“Jeff is referring to Jesus when he said “Dr. Jesus showed up” not Todd.” Did you not notice Jeff point the cheatsheets he is holding at Todd when he spoke so irreverently of the Lord? Does not the irreverence and mockery of “Doctor Jesus” strike at your heart? Have you followed Balaam and heresy so long that your heart has become hardened? Does not the whole “come and get some”, which is supposedly aimed at the Holy Spirit, expose the blasphemy which lies at the heart of this “ministry” of false teachers? This is no mere “stylistic approach”, it is a mockery of the third person of the Trinity, the blessed Holy Spirit! Even the woman who claimed to be healed did not confess Christ Jesus as Lord, she did not even say His name, she only confessed that she had come to “get some”! O, discerning one, take heed to your own words–
“God doesn’t take these things lightly.”
Deborah,
Thankyou for your prayers which are very much appreciated.
Elizabeth.
“I told the Lord why can’t I just move in healing and forget talking about all that other stuff?”
“Because, Todd, you have to get the people to believe in the angel.”
“I said, God, why do I want people to believe in the angel? ”
“Isn’t it about getting people to believe in Jesus?”
“He said, the people already believe in Jesus, but the church doesn’t believe in the supernatural.”
–Todd Bentley, false prophet of the antichrist spirit
Find in Scripture all verses where the Holy Spirit is addressed and compare to this deception.
Sound, biblical doctrine is a necessary aspect of true wisdom and authentic faith. The attitude that scorns doctrine while elevating feelings or blind trust cannot legitimately be called faith at all, even if it masquerades as Christianity. It is actually an irrational form of unbelief.
—John MacArthur
Hint: The best place to look is John 14:15 – 16:16
dance4Jesus
Thank you for your reply, i’m very glad you have written a responce. I have heard that the healings were being compilated, i heard this quite a while ago now.
I feel that these documents need to be released as urgently as possible. If there is to be silence from a large part of the sceptics then these documents need to be released.
If i’m being honest i would say i am very concerned that they have claimed there is documentation of healing that they have not published, via email, website, tv or general media.
I think that one has to stand back and look at what God is doing. I have watched a number of his revival meetings, and I have not seen him take any glory for himself. He has always pointed straight back to Jesus, Jesus our healer. One cannot deny the power of the Holy Spirit. The sad fact is that today so many churches are totally without any substance and life simply because that have not acknowledged the power and presence of the Holy Spirit. After all we serve Father, Son and Spirit. If more churches actually followed what Jesus said and did, I’m sure we would see many more souls being saved. Why is it that we choose to ignore those scriptures that we don’t like or do not understand.
I really believe that it is time for God’s church to stand up and be counted. After all the great commission is not about sitting around doing nothing, but it is all about spreading the good news of Jesus Christ, and yes with Jesus confirming the word with signs following.
I do not believe that we should be “guppies”, but at the same time we should be careful to criticise, just because it does not fit in with our theology. Maybe it would be an idea to look at ther rest of the chapter that we use to shoot everything down with. Remember that the book of Acts has no ending, it shouls still be playing out today.
Darren – the leaven of the pharisees has blinded you. Get out of your “stinking thinking” mindset and just let God be God. Just because Todd doesn’t look or act the way you and many other stiff-necked Christians would like him to look and act, and just because the revival doesn’t match those in the past that you may be accustomed to seeing – it doesn’t validate your accusations. So again I say, “God does not take this lightly.” You may write this down and mark my words. No matter what you say about what God is doing in Lakeland and throughout the nations in this Outpouring – it will not stop the move of God – try as you may. You are the one that has been deceived by the religious spirit that is rising up against the move of the Spirit of God.
And again I say – you don’t know Todd, nor his ministry, and you are not even aware of his fruits – so take that huge log out of your eye so you will be able to see more clearly to take the speck out of the Christian brother’s eye.
May the Lord had mercy on you and forgive you for blaspheming his Holy Spirit (even though this sin is the unforgiveable one).
Yes, Lord, help us to be the church you’ve called us to be (the Acts church).
Matthew 10:8 – Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
John 14:12 – Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Hebrews 13:8 – Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Yo! Still waiting on someone to explain “growing in THE prophetic…”
Any takers? (I’d ESPECIALLY L O V E to hear from any IHOPpers on this one!)
SP
Have we all missed the greatest miracle of this revival?We are so caught up in whether it’s real or not, that we have failed to see that the greatest miracle has taken place. People are getting saved. Salvation is being found. Why would a “trickster” of the devil as you say, intend for people to get saved? He would not, God is showing up in Lakeland, and His Word says that the Gospel will reach the entire world before he comes, and that is exactly what’s happening. I need no proof of this man, because the Bible is unfolding before our very eyes. Fellow believers, do not poison your spirit by reading to much into this stuff, instead seek fervently the will of God and get ready for He is coming soon.
Darren, I wholly agree with your post #449.
It is sad, however, when those who have never personally experienced much (or anything) of the power of God, the dunamis power of God, in turn scorn those who experience much of it. Moreover, not understanding their experiences as valid, turn and mock them as invalid, even to the point of ASSUMING those with the experiences of God’s power are themselves for some reason scorning doctrine or “elevating feelings or blind trust” above doctrine, when that may well not be the case at all. For you to know such you would have to know each and every heart, and you obviously do not. Do you follow me?
So, to those who bash Todd Bentley, consider Peter, the one whom the Lord himself said He would build his church! I have never heard Todd Bentley deny Christ, yet Peter did it three times.
And what if we were to witness Todd Bentley pull out a sword and cut a man’s ear off, in one of his meetings, for, let’s say, publicaly attacking the name of the Lord? Should we call him a heretic and a liar? Should we flee from him? Think about it.
Don’t ASSUME people who “feel” God or show “blind trust” have no understanding or appreciation of doctrine. If you do, then the mistake falls on your end, not their end.
God’s word declares: Daniel 11:32: “The people who do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits!” Let them be strong and do exploits, and you do the same.
Moreover, John 10:1 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and THE SHEEP HEAR HIS VOICE: AND HE CALLETH HIS OWN BY NAME, AND LEADETH THEM OUT. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, HE GOETH BEFORE THEM, AND THE SHEEP FOLLOW HIM: FOR THEY KNOW HIS VOICE. 5 AND A STRANGER WILL THEY NOT FOLLOW, BUT WILL FLEE FROM HIM, for they know not the voice of strangers. 6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
So, what then is all the fear and commotion here? If you are a Christian who hears from the Lord and knows that much, then you should know God’s children will be led by Him.
If Todd Bentley’s voice was the voice of a stranger (liar, etc, as this blog-starter suggests) then NONE of those who join or accompany him could be saved. For if he were a liar, then the scripture is telling us all those who are hearing Todd and NOT fleeing are not God’s children. Is that what you’re suggesting? All those loving and worshipping Jesus and giving God the glory for their salvation through Christ are not saved? Is that the extent to which you are going here? There is, ultimately, according to scriptures, no other end to what you are saying. Because, after all, if they/we were God’s children, and Todd were/is a liar and a false-prophet, and we do not flee from him, then the Bible is clear, we are not His children/sheep. So, Miriam, and all the others attacking Todd, in so doing you are claiming us not only asleep, but unsaved, which is ludicrous.
I can assure you that I am a child of the King, Jesus Christ, and I feel and see no such need to flee from Todd Bentley. Does that mean I am his disciple? No. Is he perfect? Obviously not. Are you? Obviously not. Give the guy a break and start loving him for once, and start loving God’s children who are experiencing the greatness of God at his meetings.
Regards,
BP
I included Todd Bentley’s past criminal history due to it’s nature, and due to the fact Mr. Bentley refuses professional accountability. (A very bad sign!)
Most every church in North America does a criminal background check. Pedophile is a “high disposition to repeat” crime. In Canada, this crime now makes you a permanent registered sex offender.
Also, Todd Bentley was in a “preditor” gang. Not some “slip” of stupidity.
Thus, I believe this fact is quite relevant to people seeking the truth.
A new question……
Has Todd Bentley even graduated Highschool?
He wrote in June on his website:
“Some people have even ventured to say that my visions and visitations are false. That’s like telling someone who’s just told you about a dream they had in their sleep that they didn’t really dream it.”
Uh, Todd, false means wrong source….
Not “didn’t really dream it.”
I am ashamed to have to point this out.
So sad.
You hurt our hearts Todd Bentley.
I read Todd Bentley’s blurb. He failed to answer most every question or concern. Especially his Abraham and Paul assertation which makes the author of the Bible NOT God.
I read “accountability”, but, not one person stood up for you Todd. Not one could answer the above. Not Patricia King, not Morningstar Ministries, not Bobby Connor.
Cowards – not Christians.
Who wrote the entire Bible, Todd???
Why do you refuse professional psychiatric accountability?
Why are you right, and all others wrong (ie Billy Graham)
These 10 reasons are verified and accurate.
They are the “fruit” by which you are known.
10 reasons to stay away from Todd Bentley.
This is a summary of notable deceptions, debaucheries, and deviations of Todd Bentley.
1. Emma Angel
We all know Christians worship – believe in – God alone. Yet Todd says God told him to get us to believe in Emma, his (formerly Bob Jones) personal angel. Emma is female, angry, and floats.
2. Abraham and Paul visit
As cited on the freshfire website:
Abraham told Paul stuff and Paul wrote that down and THAT is the book of Hebrews.(Not God directed or inspired)
Well, what does the Bible say?
2 Tim 3:16
“All scripture is given by inspiration of God…”
KJV, NKJV
Greek – Theopneustos. (God breathed).
So to ask the simple question – “Who said that ALL scripture is inspired by God?”
Uh, God did, in the Holy Bible, 2 Tim 3:16. There is no misinterpreting that.
For Mr. Bentley to state otherwise, contradicts the Word of God.
“Abraham himself shared (information) with me and I simply wrote it”
(in the Book of Hebrews).
For anyone to state that God did not author ALL Scripture, would be to stand alone against every Bible believing Christian denomination.
It would also open the door to the cults who were “taught” by Angels, and spoke to OT saints, ie Mormons.
I questioned Morningstar Ministries and Extreme Prophetic (Patricia King) on this. They both support and endorse the pedophile, Todd Bentley.
They both support and endorse his belief in Emma.They both support and endorse Todd’s lie, that God did not inspire the entire Bible.
Is it not time for Christians to stand up and fight for what is right?
3. Paul Cain
Paul Cain said he was Todd’s spiritual Father.
Paul Cain prophesied Todd was the next Elijah.
Paul Cain called out healings for 7 of this, 3 of that.
Paul Cain lied on God TV, saying he had done nothing wrong in the past.
(He is a drunkard and a homosexual)
Todd Bentley endorsed his words and supported his lies.
***Morningstar Ministries and Patricia King knew Paul Cain was still a drunk and still a practicing homosexual, yet let him onstage in Lakeland anyway.
!!!!!!! What does that say about everyone’s integrity???
Then, due to outcry, Todd covered it up.
4. Todd Bentley is an admitted, convicted pedophile.
Todd Bentley sexually assaulted a 7 year old boy.
Todd Bentley was in a preditor gang going after young boys.
Todd Bentley refuses to be accountable to an accredited psychologist.
5. Hiding the truth on the freshfire website.
House cleaning of Todd Bentley’s heresies is taking place on his website.
Emma has disappeared.
Links have disappeared.
Quotes have disappeared.
What are you hiding Todd Bentley?
6. “Sow Me the Money!”
Like Tom Cruise said in a movie,
(”Show me the money”)
Todd Bentley says “Sow Me the Money!” in his meetings, then takes the money and
stuffs it in his pockets.
Does it get any crazier?
7. Dodging the proof.
The Province, a newspaper in British Columbia, contacted Todd Bentley, requesting one (1) name of a person healed in the Lakeland show, or previous at his other meetings.
Not one name could be found to verify one healing.
8. Revenue Canada and the IRS and the Authorities are investigating
Todd Bentley.
Sudden “missing” thousands of dollars have people worried that the money stayed in his Todd Bentley’s pockets, or went to an associate’s pocket.
9. Todd Bentley endorses POT SMOKING.
Todd Bentley had his father work at selling tables for his CD’s and products, and let him smoke up and get high.
10. Todd Bentley does not preach the gospel.
I won’t quote scriptures everyone knows so well.
In all of May, on God TV, I never once heard the full gospel message preached.
I hope everyone does an open eyed investigation into this, and not rely on
Mr. Bentley’s “wonderfulness” or signs/wonders to determine culpability.
Prove him false for yourself.
Then get back to reading the Bible every day, like we are supposed to.
God Bless You.
Sp,,,,GROWING IN THE PROPHETIC……? Just as anyone grows in the Lord, they grow in the things of GOD. Prophecy comes from GOD and is given us as a manifestation of GOD. We are not automatically grown and know all things of GOD when we are first saved, no we continue growing even after salvation of 50 or more years or less. We start, as with all babies on milk, then we move on to the food that is available to us as we grow. Everything is as GOD enables. As GOD determines. If we can be trusted with little, we will be trusted with much. We first are babes.
I keep telling people,as you also are – THE BIBLE,The Torah,The Word of God comes FIRST and EVERYTHING must be “judged” by it!
Somebody once said(about the so called “Toronto Blessing[I called it "The Toronto Curse"Many after had to come to a friend of mine for devliverance afterwards!])”Scripture judges experience,experience does not judge scripture!”
*Jesus said “By their fruits you shall know them”
*Paul talked about “false Apostles” “Another gospel” and “angels of light” and so on.
*We are to TEST the spirits 1 Jn. 4:1
A friend told me that she heard this man hears from an angel that is a Buddhist spirit…
Yesterday,I came across http://www.patholiday.com(a link from demonbusters.com),where I found some eye opening material about Todd Bentley.
I saw him once on The Miracle Channel here in Canada.Something didn’t seem right and I was going to turn it off anyway,but as soon as I heard the Rock Music,I turned it off for sure!
Reminds me of these so-called Christian radio stations and their “music.”One station we have here,I call it “Death 103″ with it’s TV ad with ear-splitting heavy-metal and a Christian whore/britney Spears look alike!
Where is the discernment?
Gone -thanks in part to all the witchcraft movies like Chronicles of Narnia and other satanic stuff the pastors have let in and undiscerning parents have allowed it ,Harry Potter,The Lord of The Rings,Star Wars and such like -all witchcraft and satanism!
Don’t believe me,go here:
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org David J Meyer and read what a former Witch said!
This is all part of “the great falling away” that would happen before Jesus comes (2 Thess 2:1ff) that will prepare A PEOPLE to accept THE FALSE MESSIAH!
Questions people should be asking:
*Is Jesus being exalted,or is it man?
*Does the minister portray the character of Christ,or the character of rebellion?
(This man has piercings[forbidden in scripture],some rather ungodly tattoos[which he should be ashamed of and want to remove]
*Does the “tongues” sound right?
*Is Rock Music (the music of rebellion rooted in voodoo )being played(I’ve been both sides of this -I was against,then for it,then delivered from it,but not until I attended Bill Gothard’s Bas Youth Conflicts did I understand WHY Rock Music is NOT Godly music!)…
Paul made it clear that we are to judge doctrine,but since the early 1980s,2 false doctrines entered the church,one a “don’t judge” misinterpretation based on Matt. 7:1 and the other really reeking havoc in our lands(the UN started it) “false-tolerance.” It didn’t do Solomon any good,so why should we think it will help us!
Jude said “Contend for the faith once delivered unto the Saints!’
Darren and Randy,
First of all, Randy congratulations on finding what you believe to be facts, distorting them and then taking them out of context. Also, good job on not finding anything postive to look at. If you really know Todd’s life then you know he has made mistakes but has grown. If your first assumption is that he is evil then you will for SURE find anything you can to prove your theory. I know people personally that have been healed in Florida but you of course wouldn’t believe me. Our whole ministry is functioning on a different level because of the revival.
As far as preaching the gospel. Todd and others have offered salvation at various times during the revival and people have received the Lord during those times. But why do we have to look at revivals or meetings and then evaluate them on our view of preaching the gospel? The Bible says that there are many gifts in the body of Christ. There are also many administrations of the Holy Spirit. Why can’t we just leave the revival be what it is? It ultimately a place where many from the body of Christ are being baptized with fire and passion….and healing is flowing. We are commanded to disciple the nations not JUST convert them. Discipling means training and equipping as mentioned in Ephesians. That means portions of the body of Christ will train and equip the saints for the work of the ministry. Also, portions of the body of Christ will win the lost. The Florida revival is doing a whole lot of reviving the saints to do the work of the ministry and again healing is flowing. during the day teams are going into the streets to evangelize and pray for the sick. Just let the revival function under the administration that its supposed to. If you think it is lacking in preaching the gospel you guys go do it.
Sorry I got those links wrong.Here are the correct ones:
Pat Holiday(note: I am not familiar with her):
http://www.patholliday.com/
click on “newsletters.” for info about Narnia,etc and Todd Bentley
David J. Meyer -former Witch and Astrologer in the 1960s:
http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/
1 Corinthians 12:1-11……”Now about spiritual gifts brothers, I do not want you to be ignorant. You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are different kinds of service but the same Lord. There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men.
Now to each one the MANIFESTATION of the Spirit is given for the COMMON GOOD. To one there is given through the Spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing, by that one Spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. ALL these are the work of ONE and the SAME Spirit, AND HE GIVES THEM TO EACH ONE JUST AS HE DETERMINES.”
as HE determines,,(GOD determines) NOT AS MAN DETERMINES
Rock music?!? Surely not!
OK, I’ll say this again – There is plenty of Scriptural evidence to discredit Bentley. No need to judge his musical tastes.
Sp,,,,GROWING IN THE PROPHETIC……? Just as anyone grows in the Lord, they grow in the things of GOD.
The Holy Spirit gives out the gifts just as He determines [1 Cor. 12:11]. We may ‘eagerly desire the greater gifts’ [1 Cor. 12:31]; but, ultimately it’s up to the Holy Spirit.
Once these gifts are given out, the Holy Spirit works perfectly through the individual who is merely a vessel for the Spirit’s work. Remember, the Holy Spirt is part of the Trinity and, hence, has the same Divine nature as God and can NEVER be wrong as God is not a liar. This means that any half-right prophesy is NOT of the Spirit.
So, can anyone “grow in the prophetic?” Clearly no. Now, can one prophesy correctly one day in a given month and then prophesy say, twice the next month and then 4 times in the third? I would presume this is a possibility; and, I might call that ‘growing the prophetic.”
BP – your post of 457 – AMEN, brother in Christ.
FOR THE RECORD – FOR EVERYONE READING THIS POST -
Yes, I too am a child of God and I feel the manifest presence of the Lord in a powerful way! When God touches you in a POWERFUL way – our flesh will manifest! The Lord desires to know us in an intimate way – not just with head knowledge (the Pharisees just has head knowledge and didn’t even know that God walked amongst them). Our head can get us in a lot of trouble (we all know that from experience). The Bible says: The heart (mind) is deceitful and exceedingly wicked and who can know it. We need to get our head out of the way and let the True Head (Christ and the Holy Spirit) take over (is is being led by the Spirit and not our flesh). We are His bride and He desires to fellowship with us. Song of Soloman (i.e., Song of Songs) is a song to the Bride of Christ. The Bridegroom (Jesus) desires to woo us daily into His presence. Remember when the Lord came into the Garden after Adam and Eve sinned – it was Jesus Himself calling: “Adam where are you?” He knew where Adam was, but He desired Adam’s fellowship – he missed spending intimate time with him. Is Jesus the same yesterday today and forever? Then why would He not want to still have intimate fellowship with His bride?
Jesus said if we ask for a fish, He would not give us a serpent. And if we ask for bread, He would not give us a stone. If we ask for the Holy Spirit – that is exactly what we shall get. God wants us to trust Him – Hebrews Ch. 11 says that without faith it is impossible to please God. If we call down the Holy Spirit – that is exactly what we are going to get.
I walk a very close walk with the Lord, and I repent daily for anything and everything (that I even might have thought or unknowingly said that hurts my Heavenly Father) – my mind is renewed daily. But mostly I try and love everyone (even sinners). It’s is LOVE that held Jesus to the cross. (John 3:16). We have to love people to the cross. If this is so, how much more should we love those that confess Jesus as their Lord (our neighbors). Jesus’ to His Father was that He desired that we (the children of God) be one with them (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and they are One. His number one commandment was to Love God and to love our neighbor(s) as ourself. That was not an option – it was a commandment.
The Lord does not look kindly on backbiters. He wants us to LOVE!
Gal 5:13 – For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
Gal 5:14 – For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Gal 5:15 – But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
Gal 5:16 – [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 – For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 – But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
1 Jo 2: 10 – He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1Jo 2:11 – But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
1Jo 4:7 – Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 – He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE – it covers a multitude of sins.
Do you know the errors of Balaam? He mixed occult techniques with the work of the Holy Spirit (so does Bentley), he was motivated by money and unrighteousness, and he failed to love the Truth that has been once for all revealed by God. Scripture warns the believer not to follow those who are of the way of Balaam. Your teachers advocate special revelations and angelic intervention and set themselves apart as “specially annointed”. These are the same heresies Paul refuted in his letter to the Colossians, and here they stand unchanged even in our day.
These heresies are doctrines of demons. The intention is to strip the all-sufficiency of Christ and the cross from the believer by distraction, by manipulation, by coercion–and this can be done subtly.
I do not judge the motives of the heart; I do not judge by looks; I judge by righteous discernment–and that from the revelations and warnings given in Scripture which mark this man by his own fruits which are his actions and his words as a liar and a deceived deceiver and a teacher of heresy guided by an antichrist spirit.
BP,
How unloving of you to attack me, and all others who stay to the truth of Scripture, just to defend the deceiver you follow. “It is sad, however, when those who have never personally experienced much (or anything) of the power of God, the dunamis power of God, in turn scorn those who experience much of it.” You did not answer to the Scriptures that expose this move of the antichrist spirit. You have learned well from your heretical teachers. Your comment is elitist, and exposes the damage done to you in “soaking” up the heresies Paul warned us of in his letter to the Colossians. If I speak from the word, how do
you judge my experience, or that of any other Bible-believing, Spirit-led Christian? Instead of attacking those who study and discern from the word, I ask that you turn from these liars who tell you to put the Bible away so you won’t “miss the move”, take up the Word and study the warnings given to the saints. Or will you, like those you follow, continue to put the Word of God behind you? Will you fall for this ploy of satan? Study this man’s teachings and mark them by Scripture, not feeling, not fleshly want–start with Colossians. Child of God, will you not obey His Word, yet lean on Him as if you know Him?
As for me–
I do not sit with men of falsehood,
nor do I consort with hypocrites.
I hate the assembly of evildoers,
and I will not sit with the wicked.
Psalm 26
The great apostasy will come first.
Come, Lord Jesus, come.
Deceived Dave and other Todd groupies:
I hope you have your highschool diploma.
If so, Todd Bentley is quoted on his website saying
God did not inspire the book of Hebrews.
This FACT alone condemns Todd Bentley utterly and entirely.
“Awake…”
“Do not be deceived…”
is all i have to say.
Randy,
High school Diploma? I am not a groupie of Todd’s. My concern is for those that have concluded that someone who is from the Lord is from the devil. That is a much more dangerous place to be than if he was a false prophet. What exactly do you think happens to everyone that goes to the revival? Do you think that they empty their “christian” brains and go ” i worship you Todd?” Sorry, there are many educated people that go. I went down with a leader from our ministry. We both are on the senior leadership team. He has 30 years experience and went down to see if it was God or not. He concluded that despite some of things that Todd says it defintiely from God. Oh, and he was healed of a breathing problem… As far as education for myself? try master’s degree. As far as the Hebrews thing, He never said that it wasn’t inspired by God, he just said that Moses or Abraham wrote it. An individual that was inspired by God, just like the rest of the books of the Bible.
Randy what do you mean by your comment, “I hope you have your high school diploma?”
You know, I have not watched Todd but one time and then I didn’t even get the chance to finish it. But the time I watched I watched with testing. There were some things that I didn’t think was needed. And then there were times when it did seem like mockery when they were all drunk in the Spirit. I questioned and pondered what was “REAL”.
Then I remembered a time many years ago (10yrs). I suffered depression for 3 years, because of postpartum with the onset of the death of my daddy. He was dying through out my entire pregnancy and finally ended his battle of cancer 2 weeks after my son was born. I fought depression with every ounce of strength I had, I thought that since I had depression, I would have depression the rest of my life, I had gone to many Christian counselors, yes they helped, the medicine helped, but there still lied the problem that only medicine was covering up. I was tired of fighting the battle myself. I was weak, I was anorexic, I was dying from the inside out.
My pastor preached a message of hope to me and the message was that happiness is a choice. I didn’t have to remain depressed. GOD could deliver me. I stood on God’s word and spoke his word out loud. But still remained in the depression.
We had a guest speaker who came and visited our church who had the gift of healings, I had to work nursery that night and wanted to go see this man so that I would be healed of this depression. When I was finally relieved from nursery, I RAN to go find this man so he could pray for me and I would be healed, well in my frantic search for this man, he was gone, then I heard a voice speak to me,, that I am to seek after GOD for my healing and that healing comes from GOD and GOD alone
But healing did not take place till I was filled with the Holy Spirit. GOD had given me new strength and power to fight this battle through the filling of the Holy Spirit and the speaking of tongues. I received healing from GOD and GOD alone. No man could heal me, not even myself.
Shortly after the filling of the Holy Spirit, I went to a women’s retreat with a couple of girl friends. While I was there eating at the dinner cart, two women came into the room who looked like they were drunk, jerking and laughing, they fell onto the floor and continued to laugh, well, I had never seen this before and wondered if they were drinking something, When they came into that room, the laughter moved like a wave upon every woman who was in that dinning cart. I had not laughed that hard in 3 years, I could not stop laughing, it felt so good to me, like medicine. I didn’t ask for it, but it was wonderful, I have never had a bout of depression from that moment on. I believe the laughter was like a “sealing”, that I had been set free from depression and He who the son sets free is free indeed. After the laughter, it turned to tears, because I new what the LORD had done in my life at that moment. GOD cared for me. He loved me. He has plans for me. I am his and he is mine.
I have seen this drunkenness, this Holy laughter.
I do know God uses man to bring about healings in peoples lives, but I know too, that we should not seek after man, but seek GOD first, and let GOD do the impossibilities. So that GOD receives all the GLORY. Nothing is impossible with GOD.
This man who came and visited, He was a man of God, Miracles were performed and the common good was expressed through out his visit, but God wanted to do this healing. When GOD performed this miracle in my own life, it showed me how valuable I was to Him because He wanted me for Himself. Isn’t that a beautiful love story
Endtimesprophesy, you have done your part, now you need to let them go. If this is what they choose, you have to let them go and pray that GOD will intervene on their behalf and that their eyes and ears would open to what GOD has to say to them, just as GOD spoke to me. God draws all men to himself. Also, just like the walls of Jericho when they fell it exposed the enemy to all God’s people. If Todd is the enemy of GOD, ask God to cause the walls to fall and expose him as he is. What can man do? Man can do nothing apart from GOD.
I have defended Todd in this Blog and reason being is because his past has Resurfaced and has been used against him. I too have a past that I am not proud of at all and have had a hard time forgiving myself. But God says to forget the past, see I am doing a new thing. Press on to what lies ahead. Run the race to win the prize. Anyone who is in Christ is a new creation old things have passed away and all things are made new.
Todd is mere man just as everyone in this blog. TEst yourself and find out what your own intentions are. GOD knows the heart of every man.
I also know that men and women of God do not need a defense, Christ is our defense and he will take care of his own.
BP, Dave, Dancer,
John Wesley wrote, “Discover yourself! If you are one of the poor self-deceivers, awake! Is your confidence a self-confidence that you have the witness in yourself that you are a child of God, and thus defy all your enemies?
Alas! You are weighed in the balance and found lacking. The Word of the Lord has tried your soul and proved it to be reprobate silver. You are not lowly of heart, therefore you have not yet received the Spirit of Jesus. You are not gentle and meek, even tempered. Therefore, your joy is worth nothing; it is not joy in the Lord. You do not keep His commandments; therefore, you do not love Him, nor are you a partaker of the Holy Spirit. It is as certain and as evident as the Word of God can make it: His Spirit does not bear witness with your spirit that you are a child of God.
Cry unto Him that the scales may fall off your eyes, that you may know yourself as he knows you: a poor, undeserving, hell-bound sinner. Pray that you may receive the sentence of death within yourself, until you hear the voice that raises the dead, saying, ‘Be of good cheer. Your sins are forgiven. Go in peace; your faith has made you whole’; and His Spirit witnesses with your spirit that you are His child.”
You do not love the Truth. You do not contend for the truth and the faith while they are being discarded and mocked right in your face. You deny the commands to abide in the Word of God, and accept damning heresy and an antichrist spirit, yet loudly you boast of “close walks with the Lord” and of being His children. Why can none of you disciples of Bentley answer to the charges of heresy against your teacher? You have followed too long those who are in error. Are you each also followers of word-of-faith heresy from the mouths of antichrist teachers like Hagin, Copeland, Hinn? You reason from your lack of understanding of Scripture, and this comes from your complacent acceptance of false prophets and false teachers. You accept a teacher who is of the way of Balaam. You accept heretical teachings that are exposed by Scripture (see Colossians, as especially pertinent now), and do not accept the depravity of those heresies as grievous to the Holy Spirit and as damning to the soul. The true child of God flees from such things. You cannot see through your worldly delusion of love, which when weighed is not found to be love at all.
Christ Jesus is all-sufficient for the believer. He alone is King, priest, and prophet for all who truly love Him. Worship Him alone and keep your eyes upon Him alone, for He alone is worthy of praise and honor and glory.
Lord Jesus, continue to purify Your people!
On June 27, 2008 at 8pm EST Live, we will be interviewing Doug Perry of The Fellowship of the Martyrs – http://www.fellowshipofthemartyrs.com in regards to him speaking out about Todd Bentley of Fresh Fire Ministries. Some of the questions we will be asking is Who is Todd Bentley and why is Doug and others speaking out about him? If you’re a Christian you don’t want to miss this eye opening show, so feel free to call in with your questions and comments about Todd Bentley.
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But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies … 2 Pet. 2:1
Whatever it may be in our Christian experience that originates outside of Scriptures should, for that very reason, be suspect until it can be shown to be in accord with them.
If it should be found to be contrary to the Word of revealed truth no true Christian will accept it as being from God. However high the emotional content, no experience can be proved to be genuine unless we can find chapter and verse authority for it in Scriptures. “To the word and to the testimony” must always be the last and final proof.
Whatever is new or singular should also be viewed with caution until it can furnish scriptural proof of its validity. Thoughout the twentieth century quite a number of unscriptural notions have gained acceptance among Christians by claiming that they were among truths that were to be revealed in the last days.
The truth is that the Bible does not teach that there will be new light and advanced spiritual experiences in the latter days; it teaches the exact opposite! Nothing in Daniel or the New Testament epistles can be tortured into advocating the idea that we of the end of the Christian era shall enjoy light that was not known at its beginning.
Beware of any man who claims to be wiser than the apostles or holier than the martyrs of the Early Church. The best way to deal with him is to rise and leave his presence!
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From “Renewed Day By Day – A Daily Devotional”
2 Ki 17:40-41 (NIV) They would not listen, however, but persisted in their former practices. Even while these people were worshipping the Lord, they were serving their idols. To this day their children and grandchildren continue to do as their fathers did.
1 Cor 10:7 (NIV) Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in pagan revelry.”
1 Sam 15:23 (NIV) For rebellion is like the sin of divination, and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.
Acts 8:9 (NIV) Now for some time a man named Simon had practiced sorcery in the city and amazed all the people of Samaria. He boasted that he was someone great…
A.W. Tozer: “Christ calls men to carry a cross; we call them to have fun in His name. He calls them to forsake the world; we assure them that if they but accept Jesus the world is their oyster. He calls them to suffer; we call them to enjoy all the bourgeois comforts modern civilization affords. He calls them to self-abnegation and death; we call them to spread out like green bay trees or perchance even to become stars in a pitiful fifth-rate religious zodiac.”
2 Pet 2:18 (NIV) For they mouth empty, boastful words and, by appealing to the lustful desires of sinful human nature, they entice people who are just escaping from those who live in error.
Isa 42:8 (NIV) “I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols.”
Eph 5:5 (NIV) For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person–such a man is an idolater–has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Isa 57:10-11 (NIV) “You were wearied by all your ways, but you would not say, ‘It is hopeless.’ You found renewal of your strength, and so you did not faint. Whom have you so dreaded and feared that you have been false to me, and have neither remembered me nor pondered this in your hearts? Is it not because I have long been silent that you do not fear me?”
Rom 1:28-32 (NIV) Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity… They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil… Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Col 3:5-6 (NIV) Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, God’s wrath is coming.
1 Jn 2:16 (NIV) For everything in the world–the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does–comes not from the Father but from the world.
1 Cor 5:11 (NIV) But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
Jer 14:14 (NIV) Then the Lord said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.”
Josh 24:14-17 (NIV) “Now fear the Lord and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshipped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the Lord. But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”
Eze 14:3-6 (NIV) “Son of man, these men have set up idols in their hearts and put wicked stumbling blocks before their faces. Should I let them inquire of me at all? Therefore speak to them and tell them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: When any Israelite sets up idols in his heart and puts a wicked stumbling block before his face and then goes to a prophet, I the Lord will answer him myself in keeping with his great idolatry. I will do this to recapture the hearts of the people of Israel, who have all deserted me for their idols… Repent! Turn from your idols and renounce all your detestable practices!’”
Rev 21:8 (NIV) But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars–their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.
1 Jn 5:21 (NIV) Dear children, keep yourselves from idols.
1 Tim 4:1-3,6-7 (Phi) God’s Spirit specifically tells us that in later days there will be men who abandon the true faith and allow themselves to be spiritually seduced by teachings of demons, teachings given by men who are lying hypocrites, whose consciences are as dead as seared flesh… You will be a faithful minister of Christ Jesus if you remind your church members of these things. You will show yourself as a man nourished by the message of the true faith and the sound teaching he has followed.
Heb 2:1-3 (Phi) We ought, therefore, to pay the greatest attention to the truth that we have heard and not allow ourselves to drift away from it. For if the message given through angels proved authentic, so that defiance of it and disobedience to it received appropriate retribution, how shall we escape if we refuse to pay proper attention to that greater salvation which is offered us? For this salvation came first through the words of the Lord himself.
Mark 13:22-24 (NIV) “For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect–if that were possible. So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.”
2 Tim 1:13-14 (NIV) What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus. Guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you–guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us.
2 Cor 10:3-7 (NIV) For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ… You are looking only on the surface of things…
Gal 1:6-9 (Phi) I am amazed that you have so quickly transferred your allegiance from him who called you by the grace of Christ to another “gospel”! Not that it is another gospel, but there are men who are upsetting your faith with a travesty of the gospel of Christ. Yet I say that if I, or an angel from Heaven, were to preach to you any other gospel than the one you have already heard, may he be damned! You have heard me say it before and now I say it again–may anybody who preaches any other gospel than the one you have already heard be a damned soul!
2 Cor 11:13-15 (Phi) “God’s messengers?” They are counterfeits of the real thing, dishonest practitioners masquerading as the messengers of Christ. Nor do their tactics surprise me when I consider how Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is only to be expected that his agents shall have the appearance of ministers of righteousness–but they will get what they deserve in the end.
2 Pet 2:1-3 (NIV) But there were false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies… Many will follow their shameful ways and bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up.
1 Tim 6:3-5 (Phi) This is the sort of thing you should teach and preach, and if anyone tries to teach some doctrinal novelty and does not follow sound teaching (which we base on our Lord Jesus Christ’s own words and which leads to Christlike living), then he is a conceited idiot! His mind is a morbid jungle of disputation and argument, things which lead to nothing but jealousy, quarreling, insults, and malicious innuendoes–continual wrangling, in fact, among men of warped minds who have lost their real hold on the truth but hope to make some profit out of the Christian religion.
Rom 16:17-18 (NIV) I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and who put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.
Jude 1:19 (NIV) These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
Jude 1:16-19 (Phi) These are the men who complain and curse their fate while trying all the time to mold life according to their own desires. They “talk big” and pay men great respect if it is to their own advantage. Now do remember, dear friends, the words that the messengers of Jesus Christ gave us beforehand when they said “there will come in the last days mockers who live according to their own godless desires.” These are the men who split communities, for they are led by human emotions and never by the Spirit of God.
Titus 3:10-11 (NIV) Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.
1 Tim 1:3-4 (NIV) …command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work–which is by faith.
2 Thes 2:10 (NIV) …They perish because they refuse to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie…
2 Tim 2:15-17 (Phi) For yourself, concentrate on winning God’s approval, on being a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, and who knows how to use the word of truth to the best advantage. But steer clear of these unchristian babblings, which in practice lead further and further away from Christian living. For their teachings are as dangerous as blood-poisoning to the body, and spread like sepsis from a wound. Hymenaeus and Philetus are responsible for this sort of thing, and they are palpable traitors to the truth…
2 Tim 4:2-5 (NIV) Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.
2 Thes 2:15 (NIV) So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we have passed on to you…
Heb 13:9 (NIV) Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.
Thes 5:21 (NIV) Test everything. Hold onto the good.
Acts 17:11 (NIV) Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
1 Tim 4:11,16 (NIV) Command and teach these things… Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.
1 Jn 2:20-27 (NIV) But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. See that what you have heard in the beginning remains in you… I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit–just as it has taught you, remain in him.
John 16:13 (Phi) “Yet when that one I have spoken about comes–the Spirit of truth–he will guide you into everything that is true.”
John 8:31-32 (NIV) …Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
Luke 24:45-47 (NIV) Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Mark 16:15-16 (NIV) He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.”
John 3:16 (KJV) “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Col 1:23 (Phi) This reconciliation assumes that you maintain a firm position in the faith, and do not allow yourselves to be shifted away from the hope of the gospel, which you have heard…
1 Cor 1:18,21-23 (NIV) For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God… For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles.
1 Cor 2:2 (Phi) …It was my determination to concentrate entirely on Jesus Christ, and the fact of his death upon the cross.
Ps 90:11 (NIV) Who knows the power of your anger? For your wrath is as great as the fear that is due you.
Rev 22:15-16 (NIV) “Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches.”
2 Thes 2:9-10 (Jer) But when the Rebel comes, Satan will set to work: there will be all kinds of miracles and a deceptive show of signs and wonders, and everything evil that can deceive those who are bound for destruction because they would not grasp the love of the truth which could have saved them.
1 Thes 1:10 (RSV) …wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
Rev 22:12 (NAS) “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with me, to render to every man according to what he has done.”
Miriam, you have failed to post my critical questioning of your understanding of the prophetic office. Why? Can you not even answer the simplest of my questions???
Randy (and the others who judge and attack), re Paul Cain (and Todd Bentley)
“To you who is without sin, cast the first stone.” — Jesus Christ Sadly, you have already cast stones. Many. The implication? Think about it.
Again, “…I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.” — Jesus Christ (John 12:47) Are you leading anyone to the Lord, to a saving faith in a loving and all-merciful God? How you see God is how you will see others. Is your God a wrathful judge? Is he not loving and merciful, beyond our comprehension???
Again, “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:” (Luke 6:37) To whom does this apply? Think about it.
If you have a perfect understanding of the scriptures and never make a mistake, perhaps you should be the greatest teacher on earth today, right? Are you?
Mercy triumphs over judgment. Examine your heart and see how much love you have for those who you consider to be in error or have plainly sinned. The woman caught in the act of adultery was set free by the Lord. She was not condemned.
Regards,
BP
dave said “There are also many administrations of the Holy Spirit. Why can’t we just leave the revival be what it is?”..let it be what it is???..its misleading,deceptive,destructive and will lead many down the wrong path…they are preaching a “different gospel” of course theres really only one true Gospel and a diffreent gospel only leads down a different path..theres only way to the Father..”I am THEE Way”Christ said….all i hear is “you don’t know todds life,he’s made mistakes but he’s growing”..ANYONE who stands before the brethren and preaches or teaches or anything as such MUST be above reproach they will be held to a more severe accountability..many times over this man (tb)and his friends have blown it time and time again and those who are duped will stand and defend them vigorously..its amazing how deceived they really are..they will be sorry if they refuse to repent..please repent.you have nothing to lose.John
A comment earlier linked the good works of giving to the poor and helping people in the streets with serving the true God. The Freemasons help ‘good causes’ but they are still worshipping the gods Osiris/Baal mingled in with Jehovah. The higher levels of Masonry and all of its offshoots like the ‘Knights Of Malta’ is Occultic and totally against what Jesus came for.
These people are after world domination through politics and RELIGION and aim to bring in the One World Religion that will be a part of the New World Order. I was a JW for 50 years and all we ever went on about was the NEW WORLD or NEW WORLD ORDER. Now I see people like polititions and religionists advocating the New World Order. People like Rick Joyner and these other money grabbing ‘evangelists’ are getting people ready to accept the ONE WORLD RELIGION along with the anti christ.
“Then why would He not want to still have intimate fellowship with His bride?”, cries out Dancer, not understanding that He will not accept an adulteress who has whored herself out under every spreading tree on every high hill seeking thrills but finding only delusion and death. Spiritual adultresses! Awake!
“You’ve got to abide in the Word. The day there is no Word, the anointing lifts.” — Todd Bentley
BP
There are articles on this site on this topic already. I also do not have the time to needlessly repeat myself – especially to people who ask questions, but who have no real interest in the answers I give to them as they have other agenda than a quest for the truth. They are hypocrits whose ears are deaf to the truth. And what of you, BP, do you care for truth? From your posts so far, it seems not. But why not?
http://ag.org/top/General_Superintendent/Statement_on_Revival.cfm
Assemblies of God responds (above) to numerous complaints about Todd Bentley, and stands against his Lakeland show.
Billy Graham Ministries cites: “The Bible’s remarkable unity and coherence confirm its authenticity. It reveals a single Author – the Holy Spirit”
Todd Bentley declared on his website that God did not author the book of Hebrews.
Todd Bentley is now condemned by two major Ministries.
Todd Bentley must repent, or fall.
Don’t fall with him.
BP,
Better is open rebuke
than hidden love.
Proverbs 27:5 (ESV)
Plain and faithful rebukes are better, not only than secret hatred, but than love which compliments in sin, to the hurt of the soul.
The sloppy love god you have been taught to worship is not the One True and Living God, the Holy God of Israel, who fully dwellt in the Messiah, Jesus, blessed be His Name.
But Jesus on his part did not entrust himself to them, because he knew all people…
John 2:24 (English Standard Version)
Our Lord knew all men, their nature, dispositions, affections, designs, so as we do not know any man, not even ourselves. He knows his crafty enemies, and all their secret projects; his false friends, and their true characters. He knows who are truly his, knows their uprightness, and knows their weaknesses. We know what is done by men; Christ knows what is in them, he tries the heart. Beware of a dead faith, or a formal profession: carnal, empty professors are not to be trusted, and
however men impose on others or themselves, they cannot impose on the heart-searching God.
Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary on the Bible
“Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”
John 7:24 (English Standard Version)
Every faithful minister may humbly adopt Christ’s words. His doctrine is not his own finding out, but is from God’s word, through the teaching of his Spirit. And amidst the disputes which disturb the world, if any man, of any nation, seeks to do the will of God, he shall know whether the doctrine is of God, or whether men speak of themselves. Only those who hate the truth shall be given up to errors which will be fatal.
Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary on the Bible
“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.”
Romans 16:17,18 (English Standard Version)
Whatever differs from the sound doctrine of the Scriptures, opens a door to divisions and offences. If truth be forsaken, unity and peace will not last long. Many call Christ, Master and Lord, who are far from serving him. But they serve their carnal, sensual, worldly interests. They corrupt the head by deceiving the heart; perverting the judgments by winding themselves into the affections. We have great need to keep our hearts with all diligence. It has been the common policy of seducers to set upon those who are softened by convictions. A pliable temper is good when under good guidance, otherwise it may be easily led astray. Be so wise as not to be deceived, yet so simple as not to be deceivers.
Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary on the Bible
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:6-9 (English Standard Version)
All other gospels than that of the grace of Christ, whether more flattering to self-righteous pride, or more favourable to worldly lusts, are devices of Satan.
Matthew Henry’s Concise Commentary on the Bible
Search your heart, BP. Why do you contend for a man who by his own admission was “converted” by a different spirit(one that shares name with an eastern god of hell, one which Todd has honored in the form of tattoos upon his body, and one which he desires to impart by both teaching and by the laying on of hands to the simple and the deceived); a man who is an unrepentant liar, who, upon being exposed, merely attempted to cover his tracks? Do not simply go to Scripture to support your ideas of squishy love, but search them in truth, prayerfully seeking wisdom that you may rightly divide the word, and your eyes be opened by the grace of God, Who calls us out of the darkness and commands faithfulness in love to Him alone. Repent of all spiritual adultery. Christ Jesus alone is the way and the truth and the life. Follow Him. Fight the good fight, and come away from deception, in Jesus’ name. Amen.
Yes we have a friend that has said that Todd Bentley is hanging out weekly at Ch E. Ch’s a childrens pizza hangout. Seems odd how many gadgets he had all around him bought and paid for by yes…the blind followers. Signs and wonders is what he uses…to brainwash!
why would a drown man hang out at Ch E Ch’s. That is the silliest thing I habe ever heard. They don’t usually let you in without a child because it’s for children.
sorry that was grown man
This guy confuses the crap out of me. There is healings and stuff but other stuff he talks about seems to be not true. Like he thinks of this stuff and thinks its from God buts its really just him. Like he thinks his imagination is visions. But all prophets have not been perfect, Mosses a murderer and broke commandments, David had sex with some guys wife and killed guy, Paul killed christians. He might be a prophet but thinks he knows everything.
This stuff really confuses my faith and what should i believe
I have written on this site several times asking for any documentation or leads in verifying a healing. Unfortunately none came forward, Dave and Dance4Jesus said they were aware of cases but have not followed up on any information i can use.
Sadly Todd has got there first, he now has his answer for requests for these documents, the anwser is they can’t release them due to “privacy issues”.
I am still open to other sources of information about the claimed healings. If you know anyone or have any information which could lead to a verified healing please contract me. If you are Christian and know of a healing then the onus is on you to prove the body of Christ in this Church.
If i do not get any leads on this then there is only one resolution that i can come to in my mind.
god said he will have the stone cry out when others refuse to come fiorward.let everman be a liar an god be true.none of us is perfect and people are getting saved and healed so let us pass a little love around and the world will be better place to live.
# 8 Barnabas David Grice Quote: I just happened to come across your blog, and wonder what you are doing to save the lost, heal the sick, cast out devils, etc.
In other words, are you doing anything other than operating as a critic of public ministries who must submit to the pastors and elders of the churches where they minister?
” Latter Rain church, Bethesda Missionary Temple in Detroit Michigan in 1950″
Sir:
I too was born and raised in Detroit ~ – my family was on their way to hell. There was a Pentecostal church within a mile of us…I lived on the same steet, same house 17 years. False religions knocked on our door to ‘witness’. I lived next to “good” Baptist family, they went to church two/three times a week; I was best friends with one of the daughters..
In all those years, no one said a word about salvation or taught us anything about the gospel.
I am afraid there is too much time ‘dancing around the Golden Calf’ in ‘churches’ and not enough: “Go therefore and make disciples……” therefore, I agree on the point you made, but…..if this is truly the case…then the pentecostals/denominations have not been doing their job…I had to move to Florida to hear the Word – by a child of 14!
In other words – within a mile of a church with the ‘truth’ and I sat there on my way to hell.
Thank God for this website and many more like it ~
warning, teaching, and getting people to think rationally after being ‘equipped’ by sound teaching is all a part of “preaching the gospel”.
Marilynn
http://www.thelordsremnant.com
See, I would have respected what you were writing until you inserted the charlatan, James Randi. This guy is the biggest charlatan of them all. Anyone with some sense could see that the Peter Poppoff thing was fake. If Poppoff had an earpiece, how in the world would “james randi”’s camera had picked it up? lol! dude, then, by just writing your prayer request and name on a prayer request card and putting it in a basket filled with hundreds others is not going to be able to give the preacher “WHO” you are and that “YOU” are the one that wrote such and such. C’mon, dude, can you be any more stupider?
Yes, I have seen the charlatans first hand, as I’ve worked for a global ministry myself…but the stuff you are putting down is just “your” theory and the James Randi thing? Please. Randi made that up with his “hidden” camera. A hidden camera isn’t going to be able to tap into no ones earpiece device, trust me….i’ve tried it.
James Randi is a big fake. he is purely satanic and dishonest…trust me, anyone who claims that they believe in evolution, is purely in a fantasy world. ala James Randi.
Edwin: Randi picked up on the info being fed to Popoff via radio scanner type equipment, not a camera. A link to the recording is on this site. This is not about Randi’s ethics it is about conmen pretending to be ministers of Christ.
Edwin: James Randi felt sorry for the poor being conned out of money so he revealed the truth.
Edwin where you are most wrong is that Randi is not a Charlatan. He admits he is a trickster, he never tries to make people believe in tricks, magic or false prophets. He de-bulked Uri Guggari. In fact he is even offering anyone $1,000,000 to anyone who can do something supernatural or actual magic under test conditions. As expected in over 30 years no one has claimed the prize or got past the first stage.
He reveals the truth about these people. The $1,000,000 open prize proves it.
Of course i do believe there are darker magics which wouldn’t want such prizes or to be exposed. I’m not saying there is no supernatural, there is, i’m saying that Randi exposes all the charlatans and is not one himself.
Matt 24:24
RE: “I keep watching Todd Bentley and the question that continually comes to my mind is he possesed by a demon?”
I say: Tell that devil to get behind you – the devil loves to whisper in the ears of God’s children so that he can bring division in the body of Christ. A kingdom/church divided against itself cannot stand. The adversary is “The Accuser of the Brethen”. Anytime there are accusations/criticisms against another child of God, against a servant of the Lord or against a new move of God (that doesn’t look like the norm) and this criticism continues for days and months on end and it becomes a ministry (blog spot) of division and criticism – this is not of God. It is the accuser of the brethren (a spirit of division). Our God is a God of Love. (What’s God’s No. 1 commandment?) The devil seeks to kill, steal and destroy – and he is doing this in the church by destroying ministries, reputations – and he’s using Christians. Why? Because a kingdom/church divided against itself cannot stand. He’s not stupid. He whispers in Christians ears saying, “did you see that – that’s not God!” or “why would God use an overweight ex-convict with tattoos?” Because God chose David – and He’s the same yesterday, today and forever – and He chooses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise and the weak things of the world to confound the mighty – that’s why! Men’s wisdom is God’s foolishness. The natural mind cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God, neither can they know it for they are spiritually discerned.
Todd’s ministry is to the poor, the broken, the hurting, the abandoned. People are being healed (thousands documented), saved, set free and set afire for the love and ministry of Jesus. All to the Glory of God!
It is a very serious and dangerous thing to come against a true move of God and/or against a servant of God. I, myself would never want to be in the lime light like Todd and many other evangelists are today because people will dig and dig and dig for dirt against those God is raising up. They won’t be happy until they see to their demise. God has buried their sins and covered them in His blood and He remembers them no more. But the accuser of the brethren wants to resurrect their sins and reveal (blog post) them to the world. (Hmm like a demonic resurrection). That is the spirit of death – because sin brings spiritual death and those that want to resurrect a person’s sins are attempting a sin resurrection. God has resurrected the person from spiritual death to spiritual life in Him (in Christ) but the accusers want to sentence him to death row – just like the devil. (Wow – the Lord just now gave me that!)
My pastor has called for intercessors in our church to pray for the revival (it has broken out in our church) and to pray for Todd’s ministry and to pray against the spirit of division and poisonous words being spoken against a man after God’s own heart (like David). David had his Jezebel he had to contend with. Now Todd has his. As one of the intercessors in my church, I pray God will totally vindicate Todd, that the Revival will continue to spread like wildfire – that the false accusers would repent – get out of their mindset – ask the Holy Spirit to open their blind eyes so they could see (recognize) what God is doing in this hour. I pray that those that do not repent will receive the same reward as Jezebel did. God is not mocked and His spirit shall not always contend with man.
#496 LoveCoversItAll: “My pastor has called for intercessors in our church to pray for the revival (it has broken out in our church)….”
LoveCoversItAll, May I ask…where is your church located?
Would you mind naming it?
http://www.thelordsremnant.com
Nate,
You wrote:
“This stuff really confuses my faith and what should i believe”
It’s been a few days, and I hope you’re still around to read this.
First of all, your faith is a gift from God and is not subject to what Todd Bentley says or does, nor is it subject to what anyone here who warns against Bentley says or does. In other words, your faith doesn’t have to rest on knowing whether Bentley is a fake or not, it’s entirely predicated upon the finished work of Christ on the cross 2000 years ago.
Secondly, how about going to God in prayer and sharing your concerns with Him? Tell Him you’re not sure about all this Bentley stuff, but until you figure it out, or even if you never figure it out, you’re gonna believe in HIM (God, not Bentley).
If you need healing, ask God, not Todd. If you need to know the presence of God, ask God, not Todd. If you need direction in your life, ask God, not Todd.
I put it this way to others:
I believe that if a little old lady in church needs healing, she’s much more likely to receive it with two other little old ladies praying with her after her little church meets on Sunday, than if she packed up and spent a week of her life going to see Todd Bentley. (Or Benny Hinn, or Kenneth Copeland, or any fake-du-jour).
God is not God if he can’t do things for you in your prayer closet that Bentley claim He can only do in Lakeland.
Lovecoversitall,
You wrote,
“Anytime there are accusations/criticisms against another child of God, against a servant of the Lord or against a new move of God (that doesn’t look like the norm) and this criticism continues for days and months on end and it becomes a ministry (blog spot) of division and criticism – this is not of God. It is the accuser of the brethren (a spirit of division).”
Uh, have you ever heard of a little thing called the pastoral epistles? Paul spent half of the New Testament doing just the thing that you claim is ‘not from God’. He spent time on specific false teachings, he named names, and even went so far as to say if anyone brings another gospel that he is accursed.
Once again, the pro-Bentley supporters show a stunning lack of bible knowledge. And ya know what, I’m still not surprised.
Oh, and Lovecoversitall,
You also said,
“and He’s the same yesterday, today and forever”
OK, ‘yesterday’, God forbids people to speak with the dead. ‘Today’, Todd Bentley brags about speaking with the dead.
So, one of two things MUST be true:
(1) God has changed. or…
(2) Todd is either lying or blatently disobedient.
Which is it?
I like it.
Good discussions.
Truth and fact and Scripture are being brought to light.
Well studied, and experienced people have straightened
the crooked and exposed the darkness.
It’s about time!
Good work true Christians!!!
Bentley groupies are hitting the net secretly to try
to deflect the truth. You can catch their “spirit”
quite quickly. But new information is here…
Overwhelming evidence of “impropriety” has been charged against Todd Bentley. Police investigations could turn into charges.
Then what will the “Bentley” groupies say???
randy,
What do you mean of “impropriety?”
LoveCoversAll- you said “People are being healed (thousands documented)” Can I ask you to please give me a lead to one of these documents. Just case. Any lead you can give i would be grateful for.
When Todd was persued for these claimed documents then suddenly these great documents weren’t so great and hide behind ‘privacy issues’. Todd was unable to release one case, one document.
If you know someone personnally or got healed yourself please let’s get in contact so that we can verify these claims.
LoveCoversAll- you’ve talked the talk, now can you walk the walk. I doubt you can
as far as Todds prophecy, the bible says the prophecy is subject to the prophet. in other words a perfect word coming through a not so perfect vessel. havent you read the word of God? Paul the apostle prayed in the spirit and he spoke a message in the spirit with interpretation. Jude says pray in the spirit to build your most holy faith, you can pray in tongues in public God is nervous. there is a difference between the gift of tongues with interpretation and just praying in tongues, havent you read His word sounds like someone needs to be taught.lastly I’ve been to the revival a few times and seen things happen to my own kids that only god could make happen, and now my three kids are excited about the things of God. If that isnt from God maybe the church should let this “false prophet” build the church because you sure didnt help my kids.
Andypro, keep up the good work – I thoroughly enjoy your well-reasoned posts. It’s refreshing to see some people actually THINKING and applying their grey matter to the scripture, rather than parroting the “I feel this way” line.
“I say: Tell that devil to get behind you – the devil loves to whisper in the ears of God’s children so that he can bring division in the body of Christ. A kingdom/church divided against itself cannot stand.” How wrong you are, Lovecoversitall, for not even the gates of hell will prevail against the true church. Stop listening to your false teachers, these servants of the adversary (willing or captured and deceived), who by their teachings seek to divide the church. Who is saved without the Word? And who among your prophets calls any to repent, to renounce all sin and come to Christ Jesus to be cleansed; to deny self, take up his cross, and follow Him? None, for they are all blind and silent dogs with mighty appetites and no knowledge or understanding, having each turned to their own way, each to his own gain. They are of the world and the world listens to them. You are at the wide gate, all who follow these who have lit their own fire and walk by the light of it. You who readily accept deception by your lust for fleshly signs lack discernment, and your attitudes belie a heart of unbelief. You actually reject the true meaning of Lord Jesus’ ministry, and your superficial conceptions of His role mark you as the Pharisees–hypocrites–for you cannot discern the true meaning of His coming and of His cross. You partake of the leaven of the Pharisees and that of Herod, for “you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.”
How blind you must be to compare this unrepentant liar and deceiver with David.
Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
Rom 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Rom 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother’s way.
Randy –
I am not a “Todd” groupie. I follow Jesus but I do not condone judging another Christian and neither does Jesus!
How dare you call those that do not chose to go along with your evil antics of judging others in the Body of Christ. I am not here to argue with you or anyone else here, as it grieves the Spirit of God that dwells in me by reading all the “Todd Bentley” hate mail here. It also grieves Jesus to see such division being sewed into the Body of Christ.
Yes and I am filled with the Holy Spirit and have graduated from Bible School, so I know the Word of God. But the most important thing that Jesus himself commanded was not that we have a Ph.D. in theology (the Pharisees were Bible scholars and knew the letter of the law well), but it was to “love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.” (Luke 10:27). He also commanded us to go into all the whole world and preach the gospel (Mark 16:15). Jesus also said that signs would follow those that believe. These were the last words Jesus spoke before He ascended to heaven so they must have been pretty important:
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mar 16:19 ¶ So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
In saying all of this, I was just wondering if any of those that are spending hours a day digging up trash and lies and buried pre-salvation sins (that Christ has already redeemed) to condemn a man – would be willing to spend that much time witnessing the love of Jesus to the lost?
My pastor is a friend of Todd Bentley – has known him for years – and though Todd is not perfect and has made mistakes (and will continue to make them because he is a man like all of us) he is doing what God has called him to do (see scriptures above). The people are being healed – the devil does not heal – he can not create because he is a fallen angel – void of any creative power – power yes but not creative power. Therefore, he can not perform creative miracles. My pastor attended the revival (as did I) and he has returned from the revival with a new passion for the lost and we’ve been going to the marketplaces and witnessing to people and praying for them and they ARE getting healed and saved! These are fruits of FreshFire Ministries.
Also, in speaking of false prophets, the Bible says “you shall know them by their fruit”. Hate and Judgmentalism is not the fruit of the Spirit of God it is the fruit of the Spirit of death – the devil (and it is rotten fruit).
Also since my return from Lakeland, I have prayed for individuals in my church and they have been healed (in Jesus name – it is Him – not me – I am only his vessel). And just to let you know, I walk the narrow path of righteousness. I repent daily, worship God, read His Word every day, walk in love – so as not to allow the enemy an open door or stronghold in my life. I have several of the gifts of the Spirit (1 Cor 12) which the Holy Spirit has graciously bestowed upon me, but I always give Him the glory for operating these gifts through me, because I am only his yielding vessel.
No need to comment back. As I said, I am not here to argue only to comment what I have received from FreshFire ministries and to give Glory to God!
LoveCoversItAll,
The people are being healed – the devil does not heal – he can not create because he is a fallen angel – void of any creative power – power yes but not creative power. Therefore, he can not perform creative miracles.
Can you provide chapter and verse for that, please?
Given that Satan has the power to afflict/curse, can he not undo said affliction/curse? And, what about Revelation 13:11-17?
Also, I think it fair to point out that the Mark scriptures you cited are not in original manuscripts; so, there is some debate as to whether these are even part of Mark’s Gospel. Verses 9-20 are all in doubt.
Lee –
Your name is not Randy, is it?
Lee
In response to your comment to me, the scriptures I quoted were copied from the Blue Letter Bible website, KJV version.
So I guess you would like to add my name to your list of “false prophets” now. That’s okay, Jesus knows that I am His child – so persecute me all you want. The more God’s people are persecuted, the greater their reward in Heaven. So the more you persecute Todd Bentley and all those other prophets that you’ve mislabeled as “false prophet” the more the Lord piles up their rewards in heaven, so if you do make it to heaven, you’re going to be shocked to see their rewards stacked so high.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
By the way, for the future, If I want any answers from you, you will see your name posted to the top of my comment, just like I did with this one.
BTW, it is so hard for me to believe you are a Christian. You don’t have to respond to that because you’d say you were whether you are or not. I’m sure there are some here professing to be Christians and are plants of the enemy – it happens all the time on these sites. I was just wondering because I sense a hateful spirit in all your comments you have written to those that are not in agreement with you.
There is rotten fruit on this site – it truly is not of God. I don’t see any love expressed here by anyone. It is Satan’s playground and I don’t want any part of it! Play in his playground all you want. Play because you will pay dearly – all of you that are sowing division and hatred in the Body of Christ – it’s as if you are doing it to the Lord himself. And this is not a threat it is what God’s Word says. (And yes there is a scripture for that and no I will not show it to you – find it yourself). “Whatsoever a man soweth that shall he reap.” I know the Spirit of the Lord is very grieved over these blog sites. That’s why my Spirit gets so grieved when I read this trash. I do have the true spiritual gift of discernment (not head discernment either – spiritual discernment. Because I was so grieved the moment I found this site and read all the expressions of hate, I should have listened to the Holy Spirit and not wasted my valuable time here.
I’m out of the hell site – once and for all.
LoveCoversitall:
In defence of Lee, he is far from “hateful” – please point out specifically where he has been hateful, or has manifested a “hateful spirit” to anyone on this site, let alone to you personally. He has not once, and you will not be able to point to a gnatworth of it, as it does not exist. It is a vain imagining and invention of yours.
Lee asked you for chapter and verse (not from a commentary but the actual word of God) as you were being unscriptural and contradictory – yet again. Sure, you throw scriptures out but they are out of context to justify a flaky heretical position, and also to accuse. (Satan does that.)
You only say Lee is “hateful” as you do not like what he says. The truth is hateful to you – why? Don’t you love truth more than Todd Bentley?
Rather if anything, it has to be said, YOU are the one who was personal and rude, quote:
That’s not very ‘loving’ or polite of you is it? Why so hypocritical?
Also, by your own theology, who are you to judge Lee?
you say. But you judged Lee, and wrongly at that, and you slandered him, so by your own theory what are you manifesting?
Why do you not practice what you preach? Why are you hypocritical? Why is there one rule for you, and another rule for those who disagree with you and your idol Todd?
Why is it Ok for you to judge Lee (or me or any others on this site) and to slander and wrongly accuse us with twisted and biblically distorted and biblically denying accusations (and you think that is “loving and covering”?) to defend a proven liar, thief and charlatan and false prophet who denies the Bible, and is antichrist, and all to basically put people down – but by your own unequal scales, it is not Ok for us to warn about Bentley with factual evidence and biblically literate and Bible affirming warnings that conform with the real Jesus and not an antichrist one, to warn about the thief and robber and wolf in your midst for YOUR own good and protection and to lift you up? Or shall we just let the wolves savage you. That would not be loving would it?
Please explain your hypocrisy? Really? It is the same for all Bentley supporters by the way.
You quote say:
Yet YOU come against a move of God and servant of God and judge them. How so? Do you believe what you say? Or are you just a Todd parrot? You claim to love but what a blinded judgmental hypocrit you are!
Lee loves scripture and adheres to it, and you do not. You call evil good, and good evil when you say Todd is not a false prophet and say we are being hateful for adhering to the word of God over a charlatan. Are you really that dumb as to think Todd is a true prophet of God? I mean really? Multitudes of lies and contradictions and crazy talk and you think he is a saint that will get a great reward. Todd’s reward is the lake of fire with the rest of the beast and the false prophet – and sadly many of his followers. Why do you ignore the Bible? Because it feels good? Do you not care what fire Todd really leads to?
You are not being persecuted, rather you persecute, but no doubt you are too blind to see it. I mean, if you obviously cannot see Todd is a liar and false prophet, what can you see? I say this in all sincerity.
Please define for me – scripturally – what a false prophet is and looks like.
LoveCoversitall: are you dance4jesus aka a worker with Fresh Fire?
Wow! I go to a Bible study (it was GREAT study btw), come back home, and see this.
“LoveCoversItAll” — I put this in quotes this time since I find it hard that you really believe this as the vitriol you threw at me and others belies this.
I will point out here to all who blog that anyone can choose (or not choose) to comment on anyone else’s particular comment as this is all in the public domain. Your comment is then fair game.
And, for the record, I’m one person — I’m not blogging in two different names.
And just to let you know, I walk the narrow path of righteousness. I repent daily, worship God, read His Word every day, walk in love – so as not to allow the enemy an open door or stronghold in my life.
If all the above is true, then why all the anger?
I appreciate your comments.
“How dare you call those that do not chose to go along with your evil antics of judging others in the Body of Christ. I am not here to argue with you or anyone else here, as it grieves the Spirit of God that dwells in me by reading all the “Todd Bentley” hate mail here. It also grieves Jesus to see such division being sewed into the Body of Christ.
My pastor is a friend of Todd Bentley – has known him for years – and though Todd is not perfect and has made mistakes (and will continue to make them because he is a man like all of us) he is doing what God has called him to do (see scriptures above). The people are being healed – the devil does not heal – he can not create because he is a fallen angel – void of any creative power – power yes but not creative power. Therefore, he can not perform creative miracles. My pastor attended the revival (as did I) and he has returned from the revival with a new passion for the lost and we’ve been going to the marketplaces and witnessing to people and praying for them and they ARE getting healed and saved! These are fruits of FreshFire Ministries.”
1. 1 Cor 5 and other scriptures command us to judge (discern, not be judgemental)
But being a reader of the Bible everyday, you know that.
2. Since when are facts “hate mail”?
Todd Bentley is a convicted pedophile. That is a fact.
It is a fact, he tried (unsuccessfully) to hide.
3. (Your causing division/strife), is laughable excuse for so many religous people to suppress truth and hide their faults/sins. Does no one read the concordance? Get the true meaning of Bible words, and their context. Otherwise, it is egg on your face.
4. “Todd has made mistakes” Uh, you think so?
It is very loving of you to gloss over his…slips.
Also very unwise and unscriptural.
Todd stated on his website that God did not inspire the book of Hebrews. 2 Tim 3:16 says “ALL Scripture…”
That is not a mistake or a slip.
Nor is it alone. There is a long list of false teachings, false words of knowledge, false claims of healings, false claims of raising the dead, and false visions.
That goes way past simple human mistakes.
5. Since when did the Devil stop doing signs/wonders/healings? It’s in the Bible.
If you would get out more, you would see all sorts of healings the witches and witchdoctors are doing.
(At the cost of the persons soul and sometimes getting demonized)
6. As for your new passion, i applaud you. You are obeying direct scripture, finally, and to God be the glory, all the Glory. (God does not share His Glory.)
I wish more people would have that passion.
God put the desire to tell others the Good News in each of us. It is up to us to make use of it. Keep up the good work.
7. As iron sharpens iron, is my goal here.
There is much to learn, and unlearn, in our Christian walk.
But the true plumbline, is the Word of God.
Todd denies God wrote the entire Bible.
That alone makes Todd Bentley false, and 1Cor5,
to be avoided.
Patricia King, Rick Joyner, Bill Johnson, Bob Jones, and others say the same thing.
So i guess everyone else is reading 2 Tim 3:16 wrong?!
That would be most every Bible believing church on the planet. Hmmmm. (Including Billy Graham Ministries)
Hmmmmmm
So is Todd right, and all the rest of the world wrong?
Move over Billy Graham, here comes WWE Todd Bentley!
lol
I hope this discussion fixes peoples eyes and hearts back on the Word of God, and Jesus. We must “contend” for the faith. Search the scriptures, and get understanding.
Get the facts.
Assemblies of God (>1/4 million pentecostal churches)
recently released a statement in response to the landslide of concerns and complaints against Todd Bentley and others at Lakeland. Check it out. It condemns Bentley/Lakeland
as not of God.
ag.org/top/General_Superintendent/Statement_on_Revival.cfm
Concluding,
Do not be deceived by the Todd Bentley show.
But do study the Word, and live as the Word teaches.
Glory be to Jesus.
Lee,
Miriam has said all that needs to be said in your defense, so I just want to add my ‘Amen’.
I’m repeatedly shocked at the venom shown by those supporting Todd Bentley, whilst they continue to accuse others of the plank in their own eyes!!
None so blind and all that!
Dear LoveCoversItAll,
I hope you come back to this site.
I’m sorry if you feel any sense of rotten fruit here. As Jesus’ own, we’re to bear only His fruit “love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self-control (Gal 5:22,23)” But sometimes we have to deliver msgs that aren’t pleasant. And it really is the message that’s unacceptable, not the messenger (whom God loves dearly).
Todd is a false teacher because:
1) he thinks he can call God’s Glory onto himself (Isaiah 42:8 !!)
“I Am the LORD, that is My Name; I will not give My Glory to another.” (Isa 42:8)
2) he says that there’s a difference between the Glory of God and the Glory of Jesus. NO, NO, NO!!
The Truth is that Jesus and God share the same Glory because They are One.
“And now, glorify Thou Me together with Thyself, Father, with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was.” (John 17:5)
3) he calls for a baptism of the Holy Spirit without preaching the Gospel. (Eph 1:13, the Holy Spirit baptism; 1 Cor 15:1-4, the Gospel)
“In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the Gospel of your salvation–having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise (Eph 1:13)”
“…that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures. (1 Cor 15:3,4)
4) he teaches that we can command Angels. Luke 10:17-20 shows that the only spirits the disciples were able to command were demons!!! And even then, the LORD Jesus told them to rejoice more that their names were written in the Book of Life.
5) he teaches from his dreams & visions rather than from God’s Word. (1 Cor 1:23 and 1 Cor 2:2)
“For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the Gospel… (1 Cor 1:17)”
“…but we preach Christ crucified… (1 Cor 1:23)”
If prophecy is still an active gift of the Holy Spirit, then all prophecies must be 100% accurate and must not lead God’s people away from God; otherwise, the person is a false prophet. I’m not sure if Todd himself gives prophecies, but the people who “commissioned” him sure do and some of those prophecies border on blasphemy (by almost putting Todd in the place of Jesus).
BTW ~ we’re not bringing division. we’re simply testing the teachings. in love, a tatted sister in Christ, -Brenda
“LoveCoversItAll,”
I’ve looked at the comments above and I note that the last comment by ‘Dance4Jesus’ was 465 and the very last line of this particular comment was:
LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE – it covers a multitude of sins.
Then, in comment #496, I see your first post and ‘Dance4Jesus’ has not posted any longer. Are you one and the same as Miriam asked?
I find it curious that you would attack me so. I merely asked a question looking for a scripture reference for you to back up your claim. I freely welcome anyone to challenge me if I have a claim not backed up by scripture or if my scripture reference is taken out of context.
You wrote in comment #512 above:
In response to your comment to me, the scriptures I quoted were copied from the Blue Letter Bible website, KJV version.
While I appreciate your efforts, you did actually answer my question. You claimed that Satan does not have creative powers. I asked you for a scripture reference yet you provided none.
So I guess you would like to add my name to your list of “false prophets” now.
I’m not sure where you get this notion. I simply asked a question. If you are speaking about the Mark 9-20 scriptures — well, they’re in my Bible also; however, there’s a footnote below regarding a question about their authenticity.
And, I am claiming the Matthew 5:12 you cited in reference to your attacks above.
May your eyes be opened to the Truth.
Correction on above:
While I appreciate your efforts, you did not actually answer my question.
True revival starts with REPENTANCE not laughing! Bentley is a fraud and a charlatan
True Spirit-filled believers (I’m one) must discern that in any gathered body of true believers who worship the Lord and who have faith for their own miracles and salvations and who look to the Lord Jesus for it to occur will always have the immediate attention of the Lord Jesus who is the sole miracle worker at any crusade in this profile.
Importantly, the Lord would NEVER ‘not’ ‘be in the midst’ of His people nor choose ‘not’ to heal or save a person or a body of true believers based upon the false prophet, like Todd Bentley and others, who might be standing at the pulpit or the forefront and leading that particular meeting.
The Lord promised when even 2 or more are gathered in His Name, then He will be present. Again, He would never choose ‘not’ to be present within His gathering children for any reason. EVen if there is a phoney huckster in the forefront trying to accept the rewards for what’s happening.
There are many ministries today like this in America who, like the demon-possesed witch within the Apostle Paul’s ministry, could prophesy accurately. Yet, Paul’s discernment was that she was NO ‘Christian’ at all and turned and cast the demons out of her. [Acts 16:16-18].
Many deceitful workers today have easily fooled the body of Christ by standing with an open Bible and being a gifted orator. Remember, over 30 million Christians were fooled recently. How? By their evangelical mega-church Pastor in Colorado who could preach, prophesy and win the accolades of all, even the President of the USA who he had met with. Yet, he had a deceitful spirit of homosexuality. Worse, is the loud statement of all of his surrounding ministers who would still be fooled had not the homosexual partner blown the whistle on the ‘man of God’.
These are times when God’s children need discernment by the Spirit of God AND the written word more than any other time in history. We are to ‘have our senses trained to discern good and evil’. [Hebrews 5:14]. The book ‘End Time Prophetic Insight’ at the site: http://www.Heisnear.com will proivde great insight regarding accurate and pinpoint discernment in seeing these things clearly.
Patmos Minstries
I was watching God TV and I saw Todd praying over someone I know. Next time I see her, I’ll ask her if she was indeed healed and post the results here.
Jeff
AHHHHHHH I get so frustrated by the liberal Christians of today. You have Chris and other saying “Stop attcking this incredible man of God. What have you done for Jesus. Etc”. OK for those who feel HURT by other Christians attacks on Todd and other such ministers let us look at the facts.
1) TB claims an angel gave him his ministry. Gal 1:6-10 warns us about angels giving another gospel.
2) Everyone seems to be convinced that because TB’s ministry is showing signs and wonders then it must be from God and TB must be annointed so therefore hands off. How stupid is this ideology. Once again scripture warns us that even the devil can give lying signs and wonders and we are not to marvel at the false teachers as Satan himself masqerade as an angel of light. Hmm maybe even Emma.2 Cor 11:13-15
3) that the Domion/Kingdom Now theology is rearing it’s ugly demonic head again at these meetings and with the endorsement of C Peter Wagner the father of this lie adds weight to the concern of MANY Bible believing Saints.
Now before you use the so what have you done for God routine on me. My credentials in God are many and I have 24yrs of ministry behind me. I have built (and continue to) orphanges in Africa and other nations. Worked in New Orleans after Katrina ministering to thousands of people a day. i have founded 9 churches in 2 continents. I have personally seen hundreds if not thousands come to the saving grace of Jesus Christ and been involved in deliverences, healings and taught on Spiritual Warfare since 1991. I have authored a book on the subject and through all this I have seen the false and the real. I also have 6 earned ministry degrees, including 2 PhD’s. So am I qualified enough for you all? Oh yes I forgot. I am also a Spirit-filled,bible believing, fire breathing, gospel preaching, world recognized prophet.
When the church operates in Discernment of Spirits many people don’t like it but when they listen they will save themselves a whole lot of hurt. When the people refuse to listen to the watchmen then their sins are on their own shoulders. The bible makes it very clear that if the saints refuse to listen to the truth God Himself will hand them over to disception. So listen to the Spirit of God and stop looking with the carnal mindat all the good feeling junk. What is being TAUGHT!!!! Is it scriptural, if not then flee. Don’t look at the manifistations as proof as the bible says many will come in that day and say didn’t we prophesy in Your Name, cast out demons in Your Name and do many wonders in Your Name but Jesus says I NEVER knew you. Matt 7:21-23
It says a kingdom divided will not stand tell me this does the devil want to see the lame walk and the blind see and the deaf hear I think not. every since the first century church the church has persecuted the move of GOD afraid of losing followers meaning dollars. Folks wake up this is real it tells us in the bible that even greater works then these you shall do. what does you mean, it means you. Every person that has come against a move of GOD in the past and has had to repent. There are two sides to faith just like a coin faith in believing and faith in unbelief, if you have faith in unbelief then you give credit to the devil. Do I believe that God heals today it says He is the same yesterday today and forever. That means never changing right. Jesus healed and today we heal through the power of the holy spirit/ holy ghost c’mon people wake up and don’t miss the boat.
Folks, get ready! The new apostolic reformation, word faith, and emergents will soon be joining forces,with catholics, muslims, buhdists, and every other false religion. This is an opinion, not thus sayeth the LORD, but by every thing I am seeing the one world religion is being formed right in front of our faces. Just as has always been through history they will persecute us thinking they are doing the work of GOD. Just look at thier responses. They never back up beliefs with scripture and when cornered the old favorite comes out, TOUCH NOT THINE ANNOINTED! I have never heard my pastor say that, as a matter of fact he tells us continually to check his words against those of scripture. Take a good hard look at how hateful they get when you dont lie to them and tell them its OK, we all believe in the same JESUS. And this idea of if you say JESUS is lord you must be saved, is ridiculous. There must be meaning behind those words and is it the JESUS of the bible or the jesus that sends the “holy spirit” to cause Stacy Campbells head to shake violently. These people are beyond heretical, I believe many of them have thier strings pulled by demons. I firmly believe that these people come to a site like this to antagonize us into anger, and to say something in an unchristian way so they can use that for thier excuse. So far I havent really noticed that happenning, hang in thier all and continue, if one person reads something on this site and sees the light it will have been worth it!
Vince,
AMEN to all you wrote above!
And, yes, if one person sees the light it is worth it!
To All: When someone switches on the tv and TB is preaching, what do you see. Obviously if you believe he is from God you go along with his words and if you do not believe you probably turn it off. The problem is less about Todd and more about emotional instability.
If you need TB to drum up some love then you need to come back and start with only God, his love is pure and not drummed up.
To All: This is a blog about TB, why mention Catholics. I’m Catholic. When you lump my belief in with a bag of other religions it does not show much respect. If you do have a formal complaint about the Catholic church, then state your charge. As with the man who slapped Jesus face without reason, so you slap the face of Catholic believers.
If you have a charge please write it and I will give you the truth.
John
Not it is not, it is a blog about many things affecting the church, not just Todd Bentley.
The RC faith is actually on topic because of the protestant church’s growing apostasy, and the fact Todd and others is leading to merge with Rome – so it is not another religion, it is the same stinking antichrist spirit and apostasy. There are posts on here about Roman Catholicism – you cannot compare slapping Jesus with slapping Catholics, as Catholics do not follow or believe in the true Jesus. I know, I was one, so don’t try that one on me!
My charge against Catholicism is that it is idolotrous, blasphemous, greedy, corrupt, another Jesus and another gospel and antichrist. If you care to compare Catholic dogma against the Bible, you will find the same.
Here’s a story on Bentley:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/religion/article651191.ece#email
endtimespropheticwords
If you were a catholic, you were clearly a very misguided one. I hope before you abondoned the Catholic faith you looked into Catholic apologetics.
You obviously have a very darkened heart against the church. Any direct charge you put to me about the Catholic faith i will successful rebuke with the truth (I will “try you on that one”).
Todd Bentley has been sent by Satan. He is not of God at all. He is a demon possessed apostate, who acts a forerunner to the Antichrist.
Unfortunately many Christians are being deceived by this heretic. They place their experiences above the word of God and God has sent them this strong delusion that they believed a lie, because they loved not the truth.
This is sad.
I just wanted to say that I agree with this article, and wanted to thank you for writing it. It’s sad to see so many people deceived by this false prophet, and sadder to see him believing that he truly is healing and prophesying in the name of God. The only way we can truly discern what is right and what is wrong in contemporary culture is to stay grounded in the Word of God. Put this man up next to the Word, and you can see that he is misleading and misled.
John
You cannot successfully rebuke any of my or the Bible’s charges about the Catholic church with the truth, as Roman Catholicism is scripturally indefensible and a lie, and in order to rebuke it with the truth you’d need to use the word of God and the RC faith repeatedly denies the word of God and truth! Catholic apologstics are thus scriptually untenable, just as Mormon or JW apologetics etc. How can you defend blasphemy, idolotory, Mariology, and antichrist behaviour? I know you can try, but you cannot.
Not only was I a RC brought up in Catholic school as well as the church, and even having gone as far to see the pope – but my family are still Catholic – and in addition since my conversion to the real Jesus, I have further knowledge of Romanism as well as read people like Scott Hahn’s “apologetics”.
If you want to carry on talking more about the Catholic church, please take it to the specific catholic threads on this site.
On the subject of ANTICHRIST: http://www.Heisnear.com/HereisWisdom.html [or>www.Heisnear.com, then ‘Here is Wisdom’.
It is so sad,reading some of these posts to see the lack of discernment some have today.
What is the source?
1)Lack of the Word(King James Version or the Peshitta)
(I’ve been all sides of this issue,and much as I don’t want to sound like KJV only,I keep finding articles online showing Modernism in the NIV and glaring errors AND changes in the newer Bible versions!)..
2) The PHONEY LOVE GOSPEL!
*Guess who started that?Rome,The Papacy,where the charistmatic movement,The Kansas City prophets and The Promise Keepers started.
Jesus said “If you love me,keep my commandments” Jn. 14:15
Paul said we are to judge doctrine,etc
This whole stupid phoney love thing has come about because SO many so-called Christians have:
*fell for the “new world order” “false tolerence” message…put out by governments everywhere -of course that does not include “Bible Christianity!”
*faulty Matt. 7:1 interpretation -it’s about criticism,not about “judging” as the false doctrine going around says.
We are called to :
*Obey Jesus’s commandments jn. 14:15
*Judge (“test”) prophets,preachers and doctrine by the word of God and the Holy Spirit.
*”Test the spirits to see whether they are of God….” 1 Jn. 4:1
btw:
Todd Bentley is NOT of God!
Why?
Here are just s few reasons:
1) Angel Emma-O(Satan) and Oni “Japanese Buddhist demon”
2) Demonic tattoos -if he was of God,he would be ashamed of them and have them removed.
3)”Cold-Readings” like this blog author said!
4)Convicted Pedophile who refuses to come under accountability to Canadian authorities
5)One person from his home town of Abbottsford,BC on 1 blog testified of the above and that no bikers around that AREA have EVER heard of him…so that’s means he’s lying!
6)Patricia King -from info I’ve seen online,still preddling witchcraft teachings mixed with scripture
7)Bob Jones,Paul Cain,all that lot -all false prophets!
ie: Jesus is NOT being exalted,other spirits AND Todd Bentley are being EXALTED -that’s why I KNOW it’s NOT of God…not to mention Rock Music being used!
People quit this phoney love stuff,wake up and start having and using some discernment,because the hour is late and the delusions are increasing,there is worse coming and we need to get in the BIBLE(if in Englsh -preferably the KJV)!
Richard July 01 2008-
You seem to be all over the place in your writing.
The king james version has been revised, literally hundreds of times, since it was first written. This has far less to do with religion than how agitated you clearly are.
All you who believe the RCC is dark, check your hearts. Can’t you see the papacy is given from Peter and on through his legacy(the rock).
The catholic church will never be brought low as Jesus as exalted it.
Speaking in tongues can come in various forms, it is inspired by the Holy Spirit, you have pointed out how Todd Bentley sounded a bit strange and you claimed to have gotten a bit scared because it sounded demonic to you, Speaking in tongues are for the Lords ears not man, it is a conversation between the Holy’s of Holies and man.
The reason why you thought it was a bit freaky, is because you have a evil spirit within yourself and need Jesus healing blood to wash over your confused mind.
You clearly have no understaning, and I will ask the Lord Jesus to direct your path towards the Cross.
I was very shocked that you also compared Todd Bentley to a common psychic, (A person who reads minds), This is not Opera or Dr Phil, this is a demostration of Lords power and Grace.
Psychics do there falsehood to get money. And are Satans mouth piece. So how can Todd Bentley be an Satanist?
Jesus said, “how can bezzelbub cast demons by his own powers”. What Jesus was saying how can satan attack his own kingdon, because if this happens, the kingdom can’t surely stand there will be division, and the kingdom will fall.
And to Richard, attacking Todd Bentley Chractor !!, “you without sin, cast the first stone”. When Todd Bentley preaches he is the first to tell the thousands of people he was a former criminal locked up in 5 jails all before he was 30 yrs old.
Todd is a testimony clearly shows and demostrate the forgiving love of Jesus Christ.
Solomon – don’t distort what I said. I never claimed to be scared as I was not, nor did I think it was freaky – I discerned they were false and of the devil which is a huge difference. I am well aware what tongues do and do not sound like and speak in tongues myself.
ah so you are allowed to judge me and not be scared or freaked (even when your discernment is false) but I cannot judge Todd? And you accuse me of having an evil spirit for judging rightly? You call good evil and evil good! What is wrong with you? Really?
Go to the word of God and read it! It is you who lacks both understanding and discernment on this issue on multiple points. The problem is not that Todd speaks in tongues or prophesies, rather it is the fact that he does it falsely and there is satanic activity there.
Don’t you know that not all who claim to be God’s servants are?
If the RCC is wrong, does this mean that for 1,500 years all the people who followed it believed in a false Jesus? Did the people of the RCC faith then not get into heaven. Meaning most people in those 1,500 didn’t get into heaven for hundreds or years. Does it really sound like something Jesus would do?
John,
It is perfectly true that Yeshua said he would build his church on Peter. It is perfectly true that Peter was Jew who never even heard of the Catholic church. Peter’s church was Messianic. They worshipped on Saturday, taught Torah in all the synagogues as the proper way of life, and preached the new covenant for salvation!
John –
The koran mentions Jesus and has existed for roughly 1400 years – using your arguement “Did the people of the Islamic faith then not get into heaven? Does it really sound like something Jesus would do?”
The thing is of course the Koran’s is a false Jesus and ‘gospel’, as is the RC faith’s a false Jesus and false gospel. How can any man be saved by a works based theology and one that denies the true character, work and cross of Christ, which is what Catholicism distorts as equally as Islam does in its own way.
As requested before, if you wish to discuss this more, please take all further comments on Catholicism to the Catholic threads on this site or they will be deleted.
Thank you for this. This movement and these false prophets make me, in turns, angry and heartbroken.
You’re missing my question. Jesus was only accessible to the common people through the Catholic faith for 1,500 years. So my question is did Jesus abandon these billions of people for 1,500 years?
Sorry endtimespropheticwords, this is the last time i’ll mention the RCC on this page.
Karina,
“Peter’s church was Messianic. They worshipped on Saturday, taught Torah in all the synagogues as the proper way of life” – can you back any of this up?
John you said . . .
Can’t you see the papacy is given from Peter and on through his legacy(the rock).
If you believe that Peter was the first pope then you need to read your bible. And placing your faith on the succession of the popes is indeed against the teachings of Jesus especially when he said not to build your house on sand. Peter was not “The Rock” he was a chip of it. Jesus is The Rock, one on which we can cling to in any time of need. If Peter was alive today he would beg you to fling yourself on the grace and mercy of the King and not to look to himself or any creed, but to look to the One who has the power to forgive sins — The Lamb of God, Jesus the Anointed. I agree with endtimes, if you want to argue the Catholic Church and its teachings don’t do it here.
There are countless people dying each and everyday. Arguing about the papacy isn’t going to get souls saved.
The main issue here with the TB Lakeland outpouring is really a matter of salvation. I wonder how easy it is for Christians to be deceived. Are the people that are running to this thing really saved? Jesus clearly stated that “My sheep KNOW my voice.” So if they are all listening to another voice, then have they not ever heard the true voice of the King?
seventy2-
do you want to discuss the papacy or do you want me to write on the Catholic page, you can’t have it both ways.
Sorry endtimes.. i didn’t answer an earlier question you asked. The question was “Did the people of the Islamic faith then not get into heaven? Does it really sound like something Jesus would do?”
Yes it does sound like something Jesus would do, cause salvation existed through the true church, He only needed one church to profess His truth, so my question still stands. Would Jesus leave the world without a church for 1,500 years?
John,
Salvation is only in Jesus Christ and Him alone.
Lee,
I’m not disagreeing with you there
John,
I’m glad we agree on that point! What is your definition of ‘church?’
The church is the body of Christ. Made up of the people baptised into his baptism. I’m not going to reiterate what faith i belong to as i told endtimes… i wouldn’t mention it again.
Blessings on you, and all others who search for the truth objectively.
I have again noticed the “Bentley groupies” writing false messages. You notice their “spirit” quickly. One even said “oh, Todd never went against any scripture and believes all scripture is inspired by God” Yikes!
(Note similar comment this blog.)
They are trying to get trickier. Won’t work though, as websites like this have the original quotes.
(That Bentley wiped from his own website.)
Todd Bentley did state the book of Hebrews was NOT inspired by God, but Abraham told Paul things, and Paul wrote them down in Hebrews.
*Does it get any more obvious that Todd Bentley is a liar?
Same for his Emma power angel.
First she’s a girl, then she’s neutered, then she vanishes.
lies lies lies from the pit of Hell,,,,,i mean Mr. Todd Bentley.
I am amazed at the self coronation of Mr. Bentley recently.
(performed by his cronies) (it really stank)
And how he says outside intervention is not needed.
Funny how South African President Thabo Mbeki says outside intervention is not needed in Zimbabwe, at the self corination, as well.
What a funny co-incidence.
Dictators proclaiming themselves to near god status.
When will righteous Christian Ministries and people ALL stand up for the truth, and do something with the many many proofs against Mr. Bentley.
Should not the Christians do something
before the courts do?
Hi,
I once was attending a deliverance workshop; a demon manifested in one person and called himself Ali Bumba.
Bumba would be like your “BOOM-BAH”. Since this sounded a bit arabic to me, I spoke to colleague from Egypt who said, it meant something like “Father of the Bomb” and would be used to describe someone with a short temper. This demon was quite stubborn and boastful and it took quite a while to get rid of. Hearing this name, I was surprised, almost shocked.
Michael
Ali Bumba? Father of the bomb?? Obelx??? That last one is obviously meant to be similar to obelisk, which is an ancient Egyptian religion symbol. Michael is goofing on us
I wonder how many people have been silly enough to fall for it.
Hi Jeff,
this was no joke and as for my name it is the name of a famous cartoon figure which you can see, if you google for it.
Where? I couldn’t find any English reference to a cartoon character named Obelx.
http://www.google.com/search?as_q=obelix&hl=de&num=10&btnG=Google-Suche&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&cr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=images
Asterix the Gaul – I remember him! Remember Tintin?
Yes, I remember him.
I am a bit bigger, so I was called by some people Obelix!
He ist the big strong guy who does not need any more magic potion because he had his fill, when he fell into the pot as a baby!
But back to Boom-Bah. This was part of the name, this spirit manifested himself with, so you can imagine that I was surprised to hear that sound again.
I do not think we will have to wait very long for the ‘heart’ to be revealed. We have here in Lakeland a false prophet surrounded by 450 Jezebels.
As with other ministers that are prideful and rebellious ~ they do fall, and cannot hide it. The pattern is always the same.
First I would like to say that I have been just made aware about Todd Bentley and what is going on in Florida. So I began doing some research tosee if he is who he says he is. Now my starting point has been on the internet just to see what people have been saying. After reading this article I couldn’t help but wonder why the author would not have given real true proof. What I mean by this is where are scriptures to back up his assesments for this is the real way and the only way to find out if what he says is backed by scripture. If you or anyone else is going to warn people of false doctrine or with false teachings you better back it up with scripture. And from reading this article I never saw any scripture to refute Todd. Now don’t get me wrong I am neither for or against Todd. At least not yet. Not until I get the truth for myself. I would encourage anyone who reads this to do the same. Do not take one mans word over another just because he says it is so. Rather believe it if it true to scripture. If it not then discard of it and do not ponder it or legitimise it any longer. Seek God for revelation and he will guide you to the truth. Do not let ANY PERSON deceive you.
When sound theology (knowledge of God) takes a back seat to an “experience” you know they have itching ears. The living Word of God is just not enough anymore. I was in a Todd Bentley chat room and observed that those in the chat room were local revival attendants. I further observed that the chatter’s were in their own spiritual moments, and making such statements as “Give me more Lord, give me more. Hmmm, I wondered…Give you more of what? A feeling? This is so self-indulgent. The Word is all we need to live a life of Godliness. It states that.
This is not my comment, it is from someone else.
From http://karinsangel123.multiply.com/video/item/1319/Todd_Bentley_Raging_RevivalA_VERY_SERIOUS_WARNING_
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fFp1tG9z7SM&feature=related
An analysis of this video clip, especially the tongues.
Q: Public utterance in tongues — is it supposed to actually mean something?
A: According to Paul, yes, and it’s assumed to be prophetic.
In fact, before Todd gave these utterances, he actually prayed that he would prophesy (see clip, starting at the 10 sec mark)
“There are perhaps a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning.”
(I Cor.14:10)
“If I come to you speaking in tongues, what shall I profit you, unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or of prophecy or of teaching?” (I Cor.14:6)
“Let all things be done for edification…. If there is no interpreter, let him [who speaks in a tongue] keep silent.” (I Cor.14:26, 28]
Q: Is it necessary to understand a prophecy given in tongues?
A: According to Paul, yes — and not just to understand it, but also to test it.
“If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and let one interpret.” (I Cor.14:27)
“And let two or three prophets speak, and let the others pass judgment…. and the spirits of prophets are subject to prophets; for G-d is not a God of confusion but of peace…” (I Cor.14:29, 32-33)
Q: Can Todd Bentley’s tongue actually be understood?
A: Yes, because it is clear and deliberate.
“Unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken?” (I Cor.14:9)
So it CAN “be known what is spoken”, IF we can pinpoint what language it is.
NOTE: many of the words in this clip, and other words Todd Bentley is known to shout out when he lays hands on people, can be found in a Sanskrit dictionary.
Q: Why Sanskrit? What made you even think of looking in a Sanskrit dictionary?
A: Sanskrit is the holy tongue of Hinduism, and it’s the language used in “giving Shaktipat”…. which is what Todd Bentley appears to be doing in his “impartations”. See the comparison later.
Q: So, assuming the words are Sanskrit, what is he saying over these people?
A: Here is a list, based on the above clip. I could not catch everything – these were the clearest.
- The word in “quotes” is the phonetic word on the clip, in the order they occur in the video. You can check my accuracy by listening to the clip yourself.
- The word in (parentheses) is the phonetic word in the Sanskrit dictionaries on-line. (Sanskrit is a language with its own script, so this is the closest we can get to the sound of the real word.)
- Then there is the definition, followed by the on-line source so you can see for yourself. (use the phonetic spelling to look it up)
Pronounced over Australian believers: Start at mark 5:00 on the timer.
1. “boomba” was pronounced over 3 (bhumba) – a holy vessel – specifically a Buddhist ritual water pot
source: http://www.thethankahouse.com/ritual.html
2. “sapa” was pronounced over 3 (sa’apa) – by the curse of / a curse
sources: http://srimadbhagavatam.com/s/sapa
http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/downloads/SanskritDictionary.html
3. “suba” (subha) – fair (ie, beautiful woman) / useful
source: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/downloads/SanskritDictionary.html
4. “seba” pronounced with extra force and stuttering – “sebababababa!” (possibly sevaa) – service
source: http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2008-04-11/article/29723
This is the only one followed by an interpretation: “crusades! stadiums filled… like in the days of Kathryn Kuhlman…”
5. “fire, fire, fire” – see comments on kundalini fire in Bit No. 2
Pronounced over Finnish believers: (mark 7:15)
6. “shuba” (Shubha, sometimes subha) – auspicious / good / a blessing
source: http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/subha/id/143297
7. “shobbaba” – ?? – “shobha” is Sanskrit for “brilliant one”. He may be stuttering on this word, or it may a form of “shobha” (for example, the plural is a class of gods)
source: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/downloads/SanskritDictionary.html
8. “bakusta” – ?? – could not find any Sanskrit translation, but the word is clear. “Bakusta” does mean something in Finnish (someone from Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan)
9. bam-bam” – (BhaMBhaM) – to sodomize
source: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/downloads/SanskritDictionary.html
(NOTE: This sounds far-fetched and even slanderous — until you notice that within seconds, a girl starts moving like she is being ravished from behind. Todd returns to her, says “it’s on you right now…” and stands in front of her prophesying. See mark 7:35.)
10. “fire, fire, fire” – see comments on kundalini “fire” in Bit No. 2.
11. “sheeka” (zikhaa) – flame
source: http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?script=HK&tinput=sheeka&...
12. “shuba -shuba -shuba” (see 6 above)
After he is finished, he says, “alright, that was fun.”
Q: Couldn’t all this be just a weird coincidence?
A: That’s for you to judge – keep reading.
Bit No. 2: About SHAKTIPAT (Hindu impartation ceremony)
Summary:
1. “Shaktipat” is Sanskrit for “descent of grace”. That “grace” is released by “kundalini” (defined in Hinduism as “an intelligent force” coiled like a snake at the base of the spine, related to the god Shiva).
“Diksha” is “initiation” into a new path of enlightenment, which is usually the occasion for receiving Shaktipat.
2. Shaktipat is “given” by a guru, someone possessing divine powers to trigger initiation and unlock the kundalini force. It can be given any of the following ways:
- by a touch (usually on the “third eye” – the forehead – or one of the “chakras” – top of head, throat, chest, solar plexis, base of spine).
- by a specially chosen word (spoken in Sanskrit)
- by a deep look into the eyes
- by blowing on someone
- by “remote” (out of body visitations from the guru)
- and these days, it can be done electronically (by following instructions while watching a video)
3. Shaktipat is considered “contagious” – it can spread through a crowd as the guru passes, it can be carried and passed by touch from one disciple to another, it can be passed by objects the guru has touched, or it can be sent by “remote” through reproduced videos, trance-inducing music, etc.
4. For Shaktipat to be “received”, it doesn’t require conscious cooperation or agreement, only “surrender” to the influence. Kundalini is understood to take over the one receiving this experience.
5. The evidence of receiving Shaktipat is the appearance of “kriyas” – involuntary jerking, falling, laughing and/or shaking. Some have experienced retching and gagging. Other evidences known to happen, and considered normal:
- visions
- animal or other inarticulate noises
- being healed of diseases
- intense positive emotions that leave them incoherent
- spontaneous yoga postures (especially bowing to the floor)
- spontaneous speaking in tongues (usually Sanskrit)
Someone who has their kundalini awakened is regarded as “on fire”, and to spread that awakening is to “ignite” others. The fire (called “tummo”] is regarded as the source of healings.
Shaktipat is admitted by Hindus to be potentially harmful. Kundalini is considered a very powerful force, and if it is not properly “controlled” it can cause sickness, madness or death. Shiva (sometimes also called “Siva”] is the god of destruction and is worshiped from fear.
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I obviously didn’t take the time to read all the comments presented, however i did read the entirety of your blog. First I thank you for providing the reality of Todd Bentley, and second I encourage you to continue speaking out against false teachers. It is the demise of the church to fall victim of such teachings so scripturally inaccurate. I also thank you for taking the time to present your thoughts in a clear, patient manor. Be Blessed! 2kings 19:30 =)
Dear brothers and sisters
I greet you in the love of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.
I write to you to plead the case of Todd Bentley, our brother in Christ.
It has weighed heavy on my heart the different attitudes and opinions that fellow Christians have shown to Todd.
This morning I am reading the gospel of John and was once again reminded by the words of Jesus when He prayed to the Father on our behalf. “May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.” John 17:23b and also;
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” John 13:34-35
I ask you this, how is your criticism and condemnation of Todd demonstrating any of the above commands of Jesus?
It reminds me so much of the Pharisees who tried to find fault with Jesus when he healed a man born blind. John 9. In verse 24-25 “A second time they summoned the man who had been blind. “Give glory to God,” they said. “We know this man is a sinner.” He replied, “Whether he is a sinner or not, I don’t know. One thing I do know. I was blind but now I see!” and verse 33, “…if this man were not from God, he could do nothing.” Tens of thousands have been healed directly or indirectly as a result of the revival in Florida, and many have given their hearts to Jesus, bringing glory to God. How is this a bad thing? Look at the fruit!
I ask you again; who’s work are you doing; who are you glorifying by your words and attitudes?
Sincerely and with love in Jesus,
Pieter Siebert
Wow…all this trash talk about Todd Bentley. Did we forget about talking about Jesus? When his name is lifted up all men are drawn to him. Tisk, tisk,…watch what we say. We can speak life or death or trash for that matter, but we will all have to answer for it in the end.
I’m wondering if anyone in the “audience” fills out something about themselves when they enter, or prior to going to Lakeland. You know, something like a “prayer request”
For instance, when he called out the person that got struck by lightning… I’m wondering if someone had submitted a prayer request that disclosed that information. Perhaps emailed it, filled it out in the lobby, etc. Then they select which ones they “call out” based on the information the attendees give the staff.
Here’s another thing. Who can control God? You don’t get to say you’re going to broadcast something at such and such time, or hold a “healing service” at such and such time, and say to God, “show up”.
I’m not convinced. In fact, I don’t appreciate people applying the word “Christian” to any of this. Christian seems to be a label people like to wear, even in churches that don’t teach the Word of God.
I also have a problem with people exalting Todd Bentley over Christ. As if it’s “Todd Bently” doing anything. God is everywhere and you don’t have to go to Lakeland to hear from Him. And what’s up with all the buzz words he’s using? It reminds me of the chef that goes “BAM!”. Don’t remember his name. LOL.
And I have a problem with all the camera hype. It’s like a circus to bring attention to his “ministry”. If someone REALLY wants to glorify God, then do what’s in His Word and DON’T COLLECT MONEY FOR THE WORK!!!!!!!
Christians don’t need big buildings, tv cameras, expensive stuff they bought on credit, etc.. to do the work of the Lord.
This just irritates me.
Regarding #565: I watched the video for the phrase “bam bam”, and “bam bam” wasn’t there. Not quite. About the action you described– which is too vile for me to repeat– it isn’t there either. Not even close. You described what you wanted, but not what is. Bam is a kid’s slang word, in English. Do you need the definition? I can give it to you. Your comment is beyond slanderous (your word). I won’t describe what else it is. If the words are from someone else, you are still responsible for putting them on your web site. Is it really from the karinsangel site? I don’t think so, but you made it look that way. Does she have any idea who you are?? If those comments are not on her site, you owe her an apology for dragging her into this.
And you owe Todd an apology.
Jeff
P.S. People are getting healed at the Lakeland revival. God is healing them. The Holy Spirit is there, healing people. Think I’ll go watch, it’s on now (hehehe)
Jeff:
Almost every time i watched WWE Todd Bentley,
he went BAM, BAM and sometimes hit
or pushed people, so they would fall down.
Is that of God?
What is wrong with your eyes that they cannot see
the things all of us see? Who are you?
Another Todd deceived groupie?
The truth and facts are clear to everyone.
Demons are ruling and reigning in Lakeland,
and in the convicted pedophile Todd Bentley
and in his homosexual “father” Paul Cain.
(an admitted practicing homosexual and drunkard)
and in many others leading Lakeland.
Go ahead Jeff, be deceived, get oppressed by demons.
It’s your life to live or loose.
For the record, in case you Jeff cannot read the news media
investigations. Not ONE healing in over 3 months, could
be verified. NOT ONE.
But Todd’s word of knowledge, healings, and prophesies
have been proven FALSE again and again and again.
Do not be deceived people, stay in the Word, and in Jesus.
Avoid Todd Bentley like a cancer.
Email your Pastors and Head Leaders about
the false Todd Bentley
and the horrors happening at Lakeland FL.
Email them today.
Most people/denominations are just sitting on their butt.
I have emailed many – AoG, PAOC, Foursquare, Baptist,,,
Leaders do not seem to care about any of us!!!
Why are they dong so little to warn us???
Are they afraid they may rock the boat?
Email them now and tell them to start working
for that hard earned money you give them!!!
Todd Bentley is a fraud, a fake, and a false Christian.
He is more New Age, than New Agers!!!
Lakeland is a “transfer the demon” three ring circus.
Warn people.
Get the word spreading.
Before their cancer destroys more people.
Todd Bentley/Lakeland is not of God!!!
Check out thewaycf.com
If I understand correctly, Todd was convicted of molesting a child when he himself was a child. That doesn’t make him a pedophile, neither would it prevent God from using Him. I’m no advocate of this man, but I believe in being fair and scriptural. Check out “A Step Into Deliverance” by T. Pugh.
i just heard of this todd bentley guy last night. i was fellowshiping and grilling some steaks with some friends from church and one of them began to speak about todd and what was going on in florida. i listened to the story for awhile and i pondered on it all night. this morning i watched him on youtube for i know 3 hrs or so. as i watched online i couldn’t seem to feel compassion nor sorrow coming from todd related to the suffering and illnesses of the people he is stating to heal. i know when i am praying at church, home, or where ever and i am seeking the lord, and if he lays someone on my heart or if someone needs prayer or healing and i am lead to pray for them i get real emotional and im on a level that i can’t even describe. i weap and mourn for all that they could be going through and ask god for a word to give them. so it was really difficult for me to watch cause i felt like he was so empty inside and was just going through the motions.so i prayed the whole time i was watching it for discernment so that i could watch it and not be biased or judgmental. only 2 clips out of thousands i watched touched my soul. one was the little girl jayden who was brain dead on monday and because of God’s grace began coughing while being wheeled to the OR on wednesday. now she is alive and well and thank you God for that blessing to that family. the other was the 6 year old child with tubes in her ears and while she was at home with her mom as she watched the program she said “mommy i can hear again”. i can not say if the things todd is doing are real or false, it is not my place too. i just challenge you to be like david and be a man after God’s own heart and pray for a broken spirit and contrite heart to decifer whether all this stuff is real or not. i will not say whether he is false or fake because i as a human and of carnal flesh just dont know but if he is of God, i do not want to be the one who deemed him unworthy and sinful and falsely accused him of not being a prophet. that to me would almost be like i slapped god in the face. BUT on the other hand if he is not of God, i pray for the todd and all the followers and believers of him that the truth to be revealed to them before it is too late. because we have abundant grace and mercy from god, we are allowed to fall and fail him and be deceived by others that turn us away from God. thats why he died on the cross for us. he knew we would fail him but he took the lose anyway and carried our burdens to the cross. we have to remember its not how many times we fall and fail hime,its how many times you get back up so you can get right with God again and raise up his holy kingdom. as far as his conviction for being a child molester, we can not judge him for that. it is really irrealvent. a sin is a sin whether it is having a judgmental mind set, a terrible attitude toward others, telling a lie, committing adultry, molestation, or murder. Jesus said “he who have not sinned shall cast the first stone” and that surely is not me. But thank you God for your mercy and forgiveness. i only hope that Todd has repented and asked our merciful god for his forgiveness so when the trumpet sounds and the lord jesus christ arrives here on earth to take us home, that he as well as any of us who do not know the lord will not be left behind. so ending, i challenge us to be less judgemental and just seek God with this situation in Florida. remember to love others and god bless
Savannah
The little girl Jayden story was proven to be a lie – even Charisma magazine reported that one was denied by the hospital, and then soon after Kira Mitchell and/or Todd Bentley concocted a story that some new ager had gone into lay hands on the girl so she died again. So she aint back with her mom. She is dead.
Other stories have been proven to be fake.
oh wow thanks for that i have been searching all morning to find a story or something related to jayden but never could locate anything. the more i watch him the scarier it gets cause i know that if he is truly a prophet all things he states will be 100 percent accurate and it will all come to pass and if it doesn’t than it is not of God. it seems his questions are broad and he has to fish around to get an answer and he plays off what they tell him. im a baby christian so i am still learning about lots of things and what being a christian is all about. all i know is that i love the Lord and i just want him to bless Todd’s followers whether their against him or for him. i didnt think i would ever live to see something like this happening. it is causing so much animosity among the christian world that it is not making our God happy and with our nation on the brink of electing a Muslim for president it is a scary scary feeling. im just glad i accepted the Jesus Christ as my savior and my soul is saved.
Savannah – here’s the story
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/todd-bentley-little-girl-raised-from-the-dead-or-not/
There have been too many lies to count that we can prove.
http://www.injesus.com/index.php?module=message&task=view&MID=UB007EPJ&GroupID=2A004N9G
well here’s one that says she is still alive
Savannah – what you link to is an old report from May 30th, which is based on the rumour when it first came out that the person had no first hand knowledge of. I have linked to reports subsequent to this, coming from the horse’s mouth – Charisma Magazine and also Kira Mitchell!
the article told the story i saw on you tube and this was the ending : Today, the three-year-old girl is alive and well, thank you very much! The Lord brought her back, and it matters not whether medical protocols were right, wrong or indifferent. She’s alive and alive through the power of God functioning in direct accordance with His Word.
Savannah –
Fact 1 – Charisma Magazine said the hospital Jaden was at denied the resurrection report.
Fact 2 – When that story came out in Charimsa Magazine, Todd’s MINISTRY, Kira Mitchell, said the girl died again when new agers laid their hands on her. (to try and cover up the previous lie)
So even if she is still alive by your reckoning (even if she exists at all) then Todd is still a liar, now eh?
savannah
please wake up.
Will we be judged on accepting or rejecting a prophet or our care of the poor, sick, etc ?
This scripture answers the question for me…
Matthew 25:31-46 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
The Sheep and the Goats
31″When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34″Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37″Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40″The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
41″Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44″They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45″He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46″Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
ray stone. You are missinformed.
Todd Bentley was a teenager when he raped a 7 year old boy.
Todd Bentley continually refuses to be accountable to an accredited, professional, pyschologist or psychiatrist.
Todd Bentley lied about his being convicted under Canadian Law for pedophile and going to jail.
As you all should know, pedophile in a very high risk of repeating the same crime years later. Over 95% repeat.
And this was not some “slip”. Todd Bentley was in a predator gang going after children.
I agree that God forgives ALL. And Wisdom makes sure it never happens again.
But this is only one of so many, many, many problems with Todd Bentley.
Have you ever wondered what his “victim” feels?
They usually are in therapy for life.
If they don’t suicide.
Being fair and scriptural should never be at the expense
of the truth and hard facts, and heart of the matter.
Get all the facts everyone.
Then write how you feel about Todd Bentley’s false,
Bam Bam show.
More on Jayden here -
http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/somethings-rotten-in-lakeland-and-his-name-is-todd-bentley/
just to make it clear the information that was wrote under my name on july 22 was not the same savannah that wrote the story the first time i was on here someone used my name so i dont mean to get anyone fired up when i did not state those things
i was only stating what the article i read had said i should have put quotation marks surrounding the text to prevent confusion sorry guys….no im not a follower of todd and i have read further and the hospital denies any of the claims and no news reports for that area…so there you go
Randy, wisdom will not shut down a warped addiction. Knowing what you are doing wrong will not stop it when it owns you. These things will: Being dead to sin by the blood of Jesus Christ. Putting to death the flesh. Being transformed by the renewing of your mind. Deliverance from demonic bondage. Acknowledging and accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and giving Him complete control.
Jeff
Agreed Jeff.
Wisdom is that for any pedophile: strict accountability
and supervision and therapy, by professionals, for the
rest of their life, is required.
Sadly, Todd Bentley refuses this,
and has even lied about this past.
When will people see the danger Todd Bentley is?
No real accountability.
Todd says God didn’t author the entire Bible.
Todd tells us that God told him to get us to “believe”
in his angel EMMA.
And on and on. Lies from the pit of Hell.
Well, the semi good news is that Lakeland is closing down.
I wonder why?
Because Todd said….Todd said…..
“I will stay here 6 months”
Yep. Another lie from the mouth of Todd Bentley.
Randy,
I will not dispute the validity of accountability. But you are talking out of principles only, and not the coming of the Kingdom. “Thy kingdom come” means just that, “thy kingdom come” and we are to pray this until the kingdom comes. When the kingdom of God starts to come into your life, it starts to transform you. The more of it you receive, the more you start to reflect the image of God. Accountability is necessary, but it is only entry level. The letter of the law kills, but the Spirit gives life. None of us can keep the law. The same Spirit who raised Jesus from the dead lives in us (Romans 8). The blood of Jesus Christ is enough to get the sin out of our souls. He did not die on that cross, bearing all of our sins, so we could go to church for an hour on Sunday and try to be nice people the rest of the week. The same Holy Spirit the 120 in the upper room were empowered by on the day of Pentecost wants to empower us too. We are to say “the kingdom is at hand” because we are to have the kingdom in us. And then we are to be the evidence that the kingdom really is at hand. This is not just theology. Nor is it something we do on our own. We were never told to do this on our own. We are to heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons, and cleanse the lepers (well, maybe you won’t find any lepers
)
Jeff
Interesting.
Hey Jeff, where is it written in the Bible:
“When the Kingdom of God starts to come into your life, it starts to transform you.”?
I read in Romans 12:2 “Be not conformed to this world,
but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind…”.
I read in Ephesians 5:26 “That He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the Word.”.
I love the Word of God, ALL inspired by God (2Tim 3:16) (opposite to what todd Bentley states)
This is why i stand strong against the proven lies, hypocracy, heresies of Todd Bentley(and others at Lakeland)
So many lies from them.
His show will end eventually, and many deceived and damaged believers will be wondering if they should ever trust God again. Then the true, Word based, believers will have to wade in and clean up the mess. History always repeats itself. But do we learn from it?
Todd Bentley is False, and to be avoided.
Please everyone, read all this blog, and others,
before writing without all the facts.
Get the facts! Do not be deceived!
Jeff said: “Accountability is necessary, but it is only entry level.”.
I have to seriously question the rightness of that statement Jeff. Is that how you believe? All Christian denominations I know of have accountability at all levels.
And additionally, is the LAW of the Nation.
We are always accountable for our actions and words.
Here and Now.
Your statement seems dangerous, to say the least.
Those are the words cults flaunt.
Perhaps you may want to rephrase.
There is nothing like that said in the Bible, that I know of. Please show us where the Word says such a thing.
Read your Bibles, everyone, every day.
How else will you know right from wrong?
How else will you know God’s truth?
Do not be deceived by Todd Bentley, or others, who’s statements do not line up with the Word of God.
I have been a christian for 37 years and I have been the senior pastor of a church for 24. My 23 year old daughters hearing has been healed by the Lord because of the revival in Lakeland. She wore the bone conduction hearing aid for 22 years and both her ear canals were solid bone. It was an instant miracle and she hears better without it than she did with it. The revival has had a profound affect on my walk with the Lord. I can’ wait to awaken at 4 am every day to pray and read the scriptures and as a result our church is being transformed. Many members now are getting before the Lord in theearly mornign hours. We have a Sunday morning pre service prayer meeting at 6am and we have a lot of people getting excited about a commissioning service to release our members into the community to share the gospel. You are being a bit presumptive to say that there is not a righteous affect from the revival on people and to their communities and families and churches. You almost sound omniscient in your statements. Are you personally following every one around and taking notes. I think not. You are searching for reasons to critise. How would your life stand up to intense scrutiny. Be careful, you may reap what you sow.
Richard – you are a ’senior’ pastor and you are so ignorant about the nature of deception and false prophets and teachers?! Stand down, Sir! You are no true pastor of the sheep! The Lord rebuke you for your foolishness.
Richard,
I pitty your congregation.
About Richard’s testimony, I have seen statements here that say there are no healings in or related to the Lakeland revival. Richard knows what happened with his daughter. No one can take this away from him, or her. I could tell a healing story too, about my son. There is a surprising indirect connection to Lakeland. But people would step on it so I won’t.
Solid bone removed from two ear canals and hearing restored…yay God!
Randy, a clarification about accountability: We all need accountability, but do you still need to be held accountable for beating up on your little brother? I hope you outgrew that now and you have gone on to the next level
Jeff
Richard, if your testimony is true, then post the verifiable “before and after” medical documentation and
Doctor’s contacts. This is exactly what everyone is waiting for. Real proof. So let’s have it!!!
To date, there is not ONE verifiable healing from
the BAM BAM Ministry. (But lots of helaings proven false)
Show us you are not as false as Todd Bentley.
Richard, so you and your whole congregation got imparted and now you are going out into the community? That’s what it takes? To have to go to a heretic and get “blessed” into going out? I have a friend (used to be friend) that told me my pastor needed an “impartation.” She never even met my pastor. Yet, I have met hers. And was not impressed by his theatrics and ability to move the congregation like little puppets. And oh, how they all loved it so.
She told me someone went and got “imparted” and now the church is going into the community. Good for them and at the same time, big frikkin deal. My church has been going into the community AND handing out sack lunches to poor kids in one of the worst parts of town for well over a year. And guess what. We did not need some impartation from any apostate to get us out into the community. Her church, in a very well to do end of town are JUST NOW doing it?! So what? I am not impressed. Makes me wonder what kind of gosple you guys are actually preaching. Are you preaching the cross? Are you telling people about counting the cost? Or telling them, ‘come to Jesus, He is the genie of life. You don’t have to do a thing but believe and receive. There is no suffering because, well Jesus is the Santa too.’ Are you telling them it is a narrow road to follow Jesus? Or is it,’There will not be much expected of you, because God is some sugar daddy in the sky and uh well, he just loves you so much. Feel all the fuzzies? That’s God. Look for the too.”
LIARS and enemies of the cross is what you all are! You preach another gosple! You preach another Jesus!
You can’t even give glory to Jesus when glory is do! you said your daughter was “healed.” Yet, you say with your own mouth she was, “healed by the Lord BECAUSE of the revival in Lakeland.” No! IF she was healed, it was in SPITE of that apostate revival.
If your daughter had been “healed” by Jim Jones or a witch doctor, your allegiance would be with them!
You say, “I can’ wait to awaken at 4 am every day to pray and read the scriptures…” Why is that? You can’t find Jesus on your own? And exactly WHAT are you looking for? Your vrey own angelic visitation? Are you looking to be as great as TB in your own community, hmmm? Come on, God knows. “and as a result our church is being transformed.” Into what? WHAT WILL you become? A bunch of sickening “spirt filled” drunks? A bunch of babyJesus toker blasphemers? That is who you follow in this movement whether you know it or not. If you DO know it, then why do you follow it? And if you do not know it then why are you not testing things according to scripture? And exactly what KIND of Jesus are you looking for? Are you looking for the one who gives you every occult experience you could ask for? Or the one who says, “Pick up your cross and follow me?” Oh I know, the cross is soooo boring to you guys. You all need something “new” something “fresh.” Who are you people kidding? It certainly is not those of us who are trying to preach the truth. And it certainly is NOT God!
And YOU be careful. Be very careful for you will surely reap what you sow.
Thank you Richard, exactly what you have said has happened with many people all over the USA. People’s lives have been changed. I wonder how many people endtimes has lead to the Lord this week. Or maybe they are too busy trying to destroy the body of Christ.
This is the reason that these counterfit “revivals” continue.
Some miracles occur inspite of, not because of, them. People receive by faith the same that they would if they exercised faith atop Mt. Everest. It is like those who say: “I came to the Lord after I was diagnosed with cancer, therefore cancer is good”. As long as there is no discernment in our leadership, things will only get worse….
Comment from Anna moved by admin
Richard,
On your own admission – “because of the revival” – you are no longer relying solely on prayer and the reading of scripture for the enthusiasm of your members and for church growth. You rely on the deceptive dangerous impartation from Lakeland. God knows how you long for revival but it is not God who takes you to a high place and says all this could be yours. One thing is certain if you go down this wide road and take your fellowship with you – your church will be transformed. You post on this site but have you read nothing at all. Please do so. Let him who has ears – hear.
“…that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him…”
What does “spirit of wisdom and revelation” mean? Paul prayed this for the Ephesians. Is it legal to pray this for someone now, that they may receive the spirit of wisdom and revelation?
Jeff
i have been a witch and a a follower of satan,i have delt in blood sacrifices,i have also been possed by three demonic spirits.i know satan ,i know his power and what he can do.he can do mocking imitations of of what jesus does,jesus even said many will come in my name saying look what we have done for you in your name and and jeasus said get away form me i know you not.thats not exact but close enough you get it.i made many christians fall especially so called christians like those here who have been defending todd bently.you see its so easy with them because they don’t really know how the devil works.if they would really study the bible you are shown how to recognize him and defend yourself from him.needless to say god knew my real heart and delivered me ,gave me a new heart.another thing i got was a very descerning spirit concerning anything demonic.now a few things i can tell you isyou know when someone is really teaching or preaching in the spirit of the lord.there is a feeling of peace and they almost seem to glow with the word and love of the lord.i have seen this when two young women spoke at our church who were prisioners of the taliban .all they suffered and how god sustained them,and how he is with them when they went back.i saw and felt it when i heard steve saint speak about his father and how he was maytared and how the indian who murdered his father is now a christian baptized him and is his god father.i listened as the indian described how satan is destroying his people .i also saw the glow and love as father and son between these two men.i was asked to view some tapes of todd bently to see what i thought.i watched less than five minutes ,i knew what he was about i could see it and smell it.he is just what the scriptures warned you about,a roaring lion seeking those whom he may destroy.nothing godley here.those who have the spirit of god dwelling inside them know the voice of the shepard.cultural christians and those who have never had a real walk with god.wake up!don’t just jump on the band wagon seek the truth Question does it line up with scripture or does it line up with man.jesus never backed down when questioned about who he was and what he was doing.i find those who can’t discuss things calmly without resorting to name calling and threats and hysterics are really fearful and deep down unsure of what they think is truth.i also think that to much viewing of mister bently is bad because we are drawn to it like watching a train wreck.this is not good .lets give no quarter to the devil.lets pray for wisdom ,revelation and truth revealed to those who are blind.lets speek gods truth as often as we can,times are going to get rough for christians .we need to walk together and not be divided.we also need to make others aware of the dangers of some people like this web site is doing.truth is truth.thats my story and i am sticking to it.p s i am a friend of redeemed hippie
Beloved, stand fast in Christ.
Deception is widespread and the delusion of “little gods” who will be cast out with their father, the father of lies, is infecting many in all denominations, and has paved the path of these great heretic puppets upon the worldly religious stage now.
Christ says to each who would follow Him, Take up your cross. And Paul reminds us that we are joint heirs with Christ if we suffer with Him–not for Him, but with Him, and where was the suffering of our Lord and Savior Who is come in the flesh completed but upon the cross? All that is Adam in us must be dragged to the cross to die. Living for self must die, daily, upon the Cross of Christ Jesus. Even here the victory is His, for it is God’s good will that His children be made pure even as He is pure, and that which is untested by the fires of trials and tribulations is not made pure. Lose your life, and you will find it in Him, for all His promises are Yes and Amen in Christ.
Beware those who chart a wide path around the Cross of Christ. They lean upon Him, yet they twist Scripture just as their father does. Remember that Satan tempted the Lord with shortcuts to temporal blessings that would have precluded the cross by quoting Scripture wrongly–not considering the timing nor the things of God. Remember also the Lord rebuked the enemy when he arose in Peter’s flesh and this disciple wanted the kingdom RIGHT NOW, and would have nothing of suffering or of the cross, thinking he spoke rightly of his Lord, but he truly exposed his worldly heart manipulated by Satan. Satan has not changed his tactics. Through workers of iniquity, he makes the same offers to the sons of man.
Carnal, cultural false professors of Christ have long been primed for these moves by their false teachers. They join the apostates and the lost who refuse to be joined in Christ by the Cross, and herein forfeit God’s only means of salvation.
Brothers and sisters in Christ, cling to Him! Let no man seek to draw you away by envy or jealousy of carnal, temporal experience, and let no man judge you unworthy. None who come to Christ in truth, having seen even a glimpse of His perfect and pure righteousness, having seen the vileness of sin in themselves and therefore crying unto Him for cleansing, none of these the Father has called to His Son will He cast away.
Beware the leaven of hypocrites who by their deeds profess love for the world. Beware the worshippers of mammon. Beware the wolves in sheep’s clothing. And, beloved, keep yourselves from idols.
To those near to Christ in word, but far from Him in heart, hear the word of the prophets, of John the Baptist, of Jesus Christ and His apostles–Repent! And bear the fruits of repentance, lest you show yourself lost and twice-fit for hell. Turn, and come to Christ at the Cross, for resurrection life only follows a death.
Jeff/ I don’t follow you. Your words are first
pro Bentley, then con, then confused.
#571 you said: “Think I’ll go watch, it’s on now (hehehe)
Comment by Jeff | July 20, 2008
#589 Then you say: “wisdom will not shut down a
warped addiction” (Todd’s rape of a 7 year old boy)
#591 Further: “Accountability is necessary,
but it is only entry level.”
#597 Last you said: “Randy, a clarification about accountability: We all need accountability, but do you still need to be held accountable for beating up on your little brother? I hope you outgrew that now and you have gone on to the next level.”
Jeff, you appear to be making up whatever you feel like.
Confusion seems to be around you. I don’t have a brother.
I appreciate your writing, and read all blogs comprehensively. Your comparing Todd Bentley’s sin of raping a 7 year old boy, to, as you say, beating up your brother, is very unrealistic.
Jeff, do you go to a Bible believing church each week?
Are you a member who is in relationship, and accountable?
Or are you at least in a Home Church with the above?
I would be interested to know.
We must all, especially as Christians, have this
fellowship for our growth, development, accountability.
As commanded in Scripture – Hebrews 10:25
“Not forsaking the assembling together of ourselves”
If anyone is alone out there, seek, and find a
Bible believing fellowship. Get over people’s quirks,
and let them get over yours. We need live fellowship.
Now back to the latest on Todd Bentley….Very Sad.
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Todd Bentley is EXPOSED as a LIAR and a THIEF.
http://blog.trentonadams.ca/2008/07/31/the-hidden-darkness-is-exposed/
WOW!!! The Million Dollar Todd Bentley Hoax!!! WOW!!!
Todd says God told him to get 1,000 people
to give him $1,000.00 dollars each.
When confronted,
Todd admitted that God did not say this.
WOW!!!
Proof positive that Todd Bentley is
spiritually manipulating, abusing, lying.
And stealing their money!
Do no be deceived people!
Todd Bentley is EXPOSED as a LIAR and a THIEF!!!
Dear ETPW
One thing I do have to say is that IF a person goes to a false prophet with TRUE faith for healing or a miracle, I do believe God WILL honor that faith.
I think this is the catch behind the scripture… “Lord Lord did we not prophesy in your name, did we not cast demons out in your name?”
I know that when I have gone to a church or a meeting with true expectancy to meet the Lord, HE has always met me there.
In power.
But telling someone to go to Todd Bentley to “Meet’ the Lord is the same as how Miriam once wrote that just because a witch once met Jesus while she was astral projecting, does not mean you recommend occultic astral projection to meet the Lord.
I do have to say, that God chooses on whom He will have mercy and He is no respecter of persons.
‘AriseMyLove’- the quote “Lord Lord did we not prophesy in your name, did we not cast demons out in your name?”
This is a question, this does not mean that they actually cast out anything.
Some of these false teachers i half believe their own show. Some know completely that it’s freud. But the ones who actually believe themselves(Benny Hinn, Morris Cerullo) also convince themselves of their works. However it’s deception and Jesus outrightly denies them in the same quote that you posted.
Todd Bentley is soo extreme that even other protestant churches started to rebuke him.
Anyway your whole protestant beliefs are completely backward. If sola scriptura was correct then why does Peter write “no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation” (2 Pet. 1:21).
Matt 24:23-25
.. if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs’ and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect-if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.
2 Cor 11:13-15
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
Matt 7:21-23
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
NIV
Let’s see about false angels and doctrines:
Joseph Smith – a demonic angel gave him visions for the book of Mormon
Mohammed – a demonic angel gave him visions for the Quran
This is replay of heretical movements that once sprung up in the early church that was condemned by the early church fathers. Montanism and Gnosticism both heresies claiming special revelations, signs, miracles, but taught another doctrine. All condemned by the early church fathers.
Let’s see what the early church father Polycarp who was taught and fellowshipped with the Apostles, taught by St. John and fellowshipped with other disciples of the Lord who had seen the Lord. Bishop of Smyrna, martyred for his faith.
Himself has commanded us, and as the apostles who preached the Gospel unto us, and the prophets who proclaimed beforehand the coming of the Lord [have alike taught us]. Let us be zealous in the pursuit of that which is good, keeping ourselves from causes of offence, from false brethren, and from those who in hypocrisy bear the name of the Lord, and draw away vain men into error. whosoever perverts the oracles of the Lord to his own lusts, he is the first-born of Satan. Wherefore, forsaking the vanity of many, and their false doctrines, let us return to the word which has been handed down to us from the beginning; “watching unto prayer,” and persevering in fasting; beseeching in our supplications the all-seeing God “not to lead us into temptation,”
Ignatius:
He and Polycarp were fellow-disciples under St. John. Bishop of Antioch, martyred for his faith
Beware of false teachers.
For some are in the habit of carrying about the name [of Jesus Christ] in wicked guile, while yet they practice things unworthy of God, whom ye must flee as ye would wild beasts. For they are ravening dogs, who bite secretly, against whom ye must be on your guard, in as much as they are men who can scarcely be cured. There is one Physician who is possessed both of flesh and spirit; both made and not made; God existing in flesh; true life in death; both of Mary and of God; first passable and then impassible even Jesus Christ our Lord.
But some most worthless persons are in the habit of carrying about the name [of Jesus Christ] in wicked guile, while yet they practice things unworthy of God, and hold opinions contrary to the doctrine of Christ, to their own destruction, and that of those who give credit to them, whom you must avoid as ye would wild beasts.
For “the righteous man who avoids them is saved for ever; but the destruction of the ungodly is sudden, and a subject of rejoicing.” For “they are dumb dogs, that cannot bark,” raving mad, and biting secretly, against whom ye must be on your guard, since they labor under an incurable disease. But our Physician is the only true God, the unbegotten and unapproachable, the Lord of all, the Father and Begetter of the only-begotten Son.
We have also as a Physician the Lord our God, Jesus the Christ, the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began, but who afterwards became also man, of Mary the virgin. For “the Word was made flesh.” Being incorporeal, He was in the body; being impassible, He was in a passable body; being immortal, He was in a mortal body; being life, He became subject to corruption, that He might free our souls from death and corruption, and heal them, and might restore them to health, when they were diseased with ungodliness and wicked lusts.
Nevertheless, I have heard of some who have passed in among you, holding the wicked doctrine of the strange and evil spirit; to whom ye did not allow entrance to sow their tares, but stopped your ears that ye might not receive that error which was proclaimed by them, as being persuaded that that spirit which deceives the people does not speak the things of Christ, but his own, for he is a lying spirit. But the Holy Spirit does not speak His own things, but those of Christ, and that not from himself, but from the Lord; even as the Lord also announced to us the things that He received from the Father. For, says He, “the word which ye hear is not Mine, but the Father’s, who sent Me.” And says He of the Holy Spirit, “He shall not speak of Himself, but whatsoever things He shall hear from Me.” And He says of Himself to the Father, “I have,” says He, “glorified Thee upon the earth; I have finished the work which, Thou gavest Me; I have manifested Thy name to men.” And of the Holy Ghost, “He shall glorify Me, for He receives of Mine.”
But the spirit of deceit preaches himself, and speaks his own things, for he seeks to please himself. He glorifies himself, for he is full of arrogance. He is lying, fraudulent, soothing, flattering, treacherous, rhapsodically, trifling, inharmonious, verbose, sordid, and timorous. From his power Jesus Christ will deliver you, who has founded you upon the rock, as being chosen stones, well fitted for the divine edifice of the Father, and who are raised up on high by Christ, who was crucified for you, making use of the Holy Spirit as a rope, and being borne up by faith, while exalted by love from earth to heaven, walking in company with those that are undefiled.
For, says [the Scripture], “Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the Lord.” Now the way is unerring, namely, Jesus Christ. For, says He, “I am the way and the life.” And this way leads to the Father. For “no man,” says He, “cometh to the Father but by Me.” Blessed, then, are ye who are God-bearers, spirit-bearers, temple-bearers, bearers of holiness, adorned in all respects with the commandments of Jesus Christ, being “a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people,” on whose account I rejoice exceedingly, and have had the privilege, by this Epistle, of conversing with “the saints which are at Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus.” I rejoice, therefore, over you, that ye do not give heed to vanity, and love nothing according to the flesh…
Do not err, my brethren. Those that corrupt families shall not inherit the kingdom of God. If, then, those who do this as respects the flesh have suffered death, how much more shall this be the case with anyone who corrupts by wicked doctrine the faith of God, for which Jesus Christ was crucified! Such an one becoming defiled [in this way], shall go away into everlasting fire, and so shall every one that hearkens unto him.
Do not err, my brethren. Those that corrupt families shall not inherit the kingdom of God. And if those that corrupt mere human families are condemned to death, how much more shall those suffer everlasting punishment who endeavor to corrupt the Church of Christ, for which the Lord Jesus, the only-begotten Son of God, endured the cross, and submitted to death! Whosoever, “being waxen fat,” and “become gross,” sets at nought His doctrine, shall go into hell.
In like manner, every one that has received from God the power of distinguishing, and yet follows an unskillful shepherd, and receives a false opinion for the truth, shall be punished. “What communion hath light with darkness? or Christ with Belial? Or what portion hath he that believeth with an infidel? or the temple of God with idols?” And in like manner say I, what communion hath truth with falsehood? or righteousness with unrighteousness? or true doctrine with that which is false?
Todd’s new, new can be strange. He never takes,hints ,suggests that he is responsible for the healings,he gives all glory to God,Jesus & Holy Spirit!! Does he not?
At first i was caucious,as one most be but afer watching 3 months of worship and testimonies ,my gut tells me he is real.
His worship team are amazing,so down to earth and real. Their heart is 101% for God’s glory,every night.
All around the world is watching,getting healed, are you saying the Devil is healing everyone? Come on, don’t give him so much attention and power. This could only be the devil if God let the devil do this revival and the devil doesn’t do revival,especially in Jesus’ name,come on, get your spirit filters on and discern truth from lies.
God bless you.
Steff
Ireland.
You are right on time Steff from Ireland I agree with you. I have often said to people who are quick to judge, do not criticize or judge what you don’t understand. The bible says touch not my anointed ones and do my prophets no harm. If God can use a donkey, He will use anyone He chooses. Remember He uses the foolish things to confound the wise.
I have read that during the Azuzu Street revivals with William Seymore back in 1904 people thought he too was of the devil even when they heard testimonies of the multiple supernatural healings and miracles. William Seymore prophecied back then that 100 years from the days of the Azuzu Street revival there would be the same REVIVAL break out. He said it would start out small then break out around the world, with millions of supernatural healings and creative miracles.
Like I said before do not judge or criticize what you do not understand. It’s better to be humble and seeK the Lord for discernment to differenciate between good and evil, right from wrong. I have been healed supernaturally of Cancer, Sugar Diabetes, Arthritis and Allergies and is a true testament that God is still in the miracle business today, even moreso today because the devil is busy blinding the eyes of people and creating confusion to hinder the works of God through murmuring and complaining. We should be called to prayer, not judge, point fingers, nit pick and complain.
God bless
San
Steff: Are you joking?
Have you read any of the blogs? Reviewed the facts?
This is not heresay. Documented evidence that Todd Bentley is a LIAR abounds. Is your God into LIES?
Is your God into an unrepentent rapist of a 7 yr old boy?
(Todd refuses councilling or professional accountability)
Is your God into a “mystic” who states God did NOT
inspire the entire Bible? (contrary to 2Tim 3:16)
Is that who your God is?
Read and research the facts just a little Steff.
Foot in mouth disease is highly transferrable
when around Todd Bentley.
Get the facts everyone. The facts.
Todd Bentley is proven FALSE over and over and over.
Todd Bentley is denounced by Pastors and Ministries
all over the world. Read for yourself.
Do not be deceived.
Donna, you are my friend? WHO are you? As I have never “delt in blood sacrifices” as you say you have. You are not my friend as I don’t know you. Why would you say that? Is this a joke or what?!
San and anyone else that still wants to think like this: “I have often said to people who are quick to judge, do not criticize or judge what you don’t understand. The bible says touch not my anointed ones and do my prophets no harm.”
I am so sick of these few scriptures being thrown in anyones’ face because we take the Word serious enough to test. We understand plenty! You who quote these scriptures to us are guilty of what you accuse us of! YOU JUDGE what you do not know. There are people on this site who have searched the scriptures, for years, they have not followed every wind of doctrine just because some famous person is speaking it or because it “feels good.” YOU judge what you do not know. YOU judge the true prophets of God who are crying out “TEST ALL THINGS! BELIEVE NOT EVERY SPIRIT!”
As far as “touching Gods’ annointing.” Get over it. YOU TOUCH Gods’ annointed everytime you open your mouth against those who speak truth! And guess what, you special ones? The “Jesus” that is being raised up in the movement by the followers you trust and follow? There are those of us that will NOT bow down to that “Jesus” you all are following.! So what do you think about that!?
I agree with the Comment at the TOP – Watch out who you mock. We are told from in John 14:12 that he who believes in the father will do the works he did and greater. So my comment to you (Writer) is what greater works are you doing???? Todd Bentley seems to be in rehealm of what he’s called. So before critcising check your own life. Hec I know that I am not there yet but I working on it……
Thanks
Todd Bentley separating separation divorce divorcing
his wife.
“I told you so” must be said here.
For all those deceived Todd Bentley followers,
I told you so.
The rotten fruit doesn’t fall far from the tree.
Mr. Pedophile turns vow breaker.
Todd Bentley announced he is divorcing his wife.
Who is he going to marry? Paul Cain?
Paul would love that fat, tatoo’d, flesh of his.
Todd Bentley also quit Lakeland, breaking the
“word of the Lord prophesy” of the 144 days spoken
by Bob Jones and him.
Yep, lies, lies, lies, vow break, lies.
Does anyone else see a repeating pattern???
How many broken lives and broken hearts and empty
pocket books has Todd Bentley left is Florida?
I guess the new phrase applies here.
“What happens in the Lakeland Revival,
stays in the Lakeland Revival.”
Read ALL the blogs to get the TRUE facts everyone.
This problem has not gone away.
Todd is the tip of the iceberg.
Pat King, James Goll, Rick Joyner, Bill Johnson,
the Elijah List, and others, supported, endorsed,
and “ordained” Todd Bentley. Crazy.
They mentored and taught Todd Bentley
to believe as they believe – that
God did NOT inspire the entire Bible.
(contrary to 2Tim 3:16 and other Scripture.)
(contrary to the rest of the Christian world.)
This fact alone compromises and condemns all of them.
You have ALL been warned. Do not be deceived.
Get back to your Bible believing fellowship.
Read the Bible and pray every day.
Go help the poor and needy in your community.
Quit chasing false claims, false teachers,
false profits, gold dust, rubies or whatever.
The Bible says to chase Jesus, not these false gods.
You find Jesus in His “entirely” inspired Word.
Get it?
ps Don’t make me say, “I told you so”, again.
Todd Bentley is having an AFFAIR!!!
Todd Bentley is an Adulterer.
Confirmed by his own board of Directors,
Todd Bentley is having an AFFAIR!!!
Quote:
“We wish to acknowledge, however, that since our last statement from the Fresh Fire Board of Directors, we have discovered new information revealing that Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff. In light of this new information and in consultation with his leaders and advisors, Todd Bentley has agreed to step down from his position on the Board of Directors and to refrain from all public ministry for a season to receive counsel in his personal life.”
Ya.
They also blame it on the “enemy” and tell everyone to keep giving them money.
Ya.
Just how stupid, for how long, do they think people are???
Todd Bentley should NEVER preach again. EVER.
And anyone who supports him, partakes of his sins.
Emotional Adultry is still Adultry.
As every woman knows.
Todd has been unfaithfull for months.
A sinner.
And all the while, lying to everyone, pretending he was holy, pretending he was annointed, pretending he was hearing from God.
What a filthy rotten liar Todd Bentley is.
Don’t think for an Canadian minute
that Todd Bentley wasn’t
Bam, Bam, Bamming his sweet young staff girl.
Wake up people.
Todd and his coherts deserve tar and feathers,
not sympathy.
Forgiveness comes ONLY when you repent and are sorefull.
Not just because you get caught.
Read your Bible everyone.
And purge everything to do with
the Adulterer, the Deceiver, the Liar, Todd Bentley.
Second (2nd) AFFAIR for Todd Bentley?!
It is reported that Todd Bentley had an affair with another
young female staff member 2.5 years ago.
This was highly hidden. Bill Johnson knew about it,
but said nothing. In fact, Bill Jonson screamed support for
Todd Bentley. (Dear Lord!) What is wrong with these liars
and deceivers?!?!?!
Get away from these liars and deceivers and sinners!!!
The list grows long:
Todd Bentley, Bill Johnson, Paul Cain, Bob Jones,
Rick Joyner, Patricia King (Extreme Prophetic), Morningstar Ministries, Paul Keith Davis, The Elijah List, Bobby Connor, James Goll,
especially Peter Wagner, the “New Apostles and Mystics”,
and others associated with them
May God have mercy.
Amazing.
Fresh Fire Ministries needs to be brought down.
Their charitable status needs revoking for
fraudulently obtaining donations. It was all a hoax!
If enough people cry out, at least some justice may happen.
To report Todd Bentley’s personal fraud in Canada:
Tel.: 1-866-846-3535 (toll free)
Fax: 250-470-5060
Mail:
Southern Interior Tax Services Office (KEL)
Pacific Region Informant Leads Centre
c/o: 9755 King George Highway
Surrey BC V3T 5E1
Todd Bentley info:
Born January 10, 1976 (1976-01-10)
Sechelt, British Columbia,
wife Shonnah has three children,
LauraLee, Esther and Elijah in Abbotsford, BC, Canada
Canadian Mailing Address Fresh Fire Ministries
PO Box 2525, Abbotsford, B.C.
V2T 6R3
Tel: 604-853-9041
Fax: 604-853-5077
US Mailing Address Fresh Fire Ministries
PO Box 1588, Sumas, WA.
98295-1588
Also email your government officials, Ministries,
Pastors, and others concerned. Talk to everyone about
this, or Todd, like an ugly zit, will be back soon.
FFM must be stopped. The ABUSE must be stopped.
Contact people NOW!!!
To report FFM Fraud:
1 800 267 2384 Revenue Canada Ottawa Charities
transfer to:
Report line: 613-948-2463
(your info is not needed, just leave message)
Fresh Fire Ministries Charity Info:
BN/Registration Number: 880636428RR0001
Correspondence Language: English
Address: PO BOX 2525
City: ABBOTSFORD
Province: BC
Postal Code: V2T6R3
Country: CA
Category Code: 47. Missionary Organizations and Propagation of Gospel
Designation: C. Charitable Organization
Date of Registration: 1999-01-01
Date of Revocation: TBA
This is Scriptural, and very needed everyone.
Call now!
What is with you RANDY all you seem to be on is how you can pull people down – OK he might not of been the honest person we all thought??? But lets see your mistakes or lets see how PURE, PERFECT you are – hec I know I aint perfect there are things that I am guilty of. We were all once guilty of things; but it’s Jesus who paid the price. I think people like yourself need to evaluate your own life before you start destroying a man who is already on his knees for forgivness.
Think About It????
Todd Bentley has fallen…remember how King David grieved over King Saul? Saul, anointed by God through Sammuel, started out good but through disobedience was disqualified. Yet as wrong Saul was, King David even with the opportunity did not harm Saul. Rather King David killed the messenger that gladly brought the report of Saul’s downfall. I can almost feel the glee of countless christians bringing this sad news to everyone. Sadly the American church is in wanton lack of discernment. We want the hype, the entertainment, the spectacular but do so with at best luke warm hearts. God has given us what we asked for yet we blame one man and fail to look within our own hearts. We want, as the Israel wanted, a man to go to the top of the mountain for us to find out what God has to say because we are too lazy or engrossed in this life to go the top of the mountain ourselves. “If you seek me with all your heart you will find me.” Yet who of us truely believe this verse? Those who do truly seek with whole hearts will have discernment but much more than that will have compassion, tears, and sorrow for the fallen as God grieves over the fallen. Only Jesus was perfect. Without love we are nothing. The reason for exposing a brother or sister in sin is in hope of restoration. Todd has fallen from great height. Now is the time to weep and morn and put ashes and sack cloth to ask God to forgive this nation for our itching death ears and blind seeing eyes. Can revival truly happen in America or have we gone too far.
Israel went so far down the wrong road that God finally said enough. This nation is no different.
James and opow:
Have you read through all the blogs here and on other sites
Have you researched the facts
Have you discerned the truth and how to respond according to The Word of God?
Or are you simply going blah blah with opinions.
It astounds me. The low level of brain function of some.
Why did God give us a brain?
For anyone as nieve, gullable, or braindead, get the facts.
This is not a poor “slip”
Todd Bentley and coherts are a CULT.
Directing christians away from the Bible, and into
“Mysticism”. They even proclaim God did NOT inspire
the Bible. (contrary to 2 Tim 3:16)
And there are many many many more heresies.
The JW’s believe in Jesus. And talk about him.
The Mormons believe in Jesus and the Bible.
But we KNOW they are cults.
Because they do not line up with the Word of God.
Understand that todd Bentley and Freshfire Ministries
are a CULT. And so are those associated with them.
If we were to believe their “revelation” that God did not inspire the Bible, our foundation in the Word is destroyed
DESTROYED.
UNDERSTAND???
JustoPow- Randy isn’t trying to pull ‘people’ down, he’s pulling Todd down cause Todd is a deceiver.
You also mentioned that you are sure Randy is not pure or perfect, but Randy isn’t pretending to be.
You are saying the opposite to scripture, we are called to be perfect and saying that it’s ok not to be is to be against God.
Todd Bentley drunk, drinking excessively, drunkard
Confirmed by FFM staff, and associates, and John Arnott,
Todd Bentley has an alcohol addiction,
and regularly gets drunk.
(not via God)
What sin is next?
Anyone who was “touched” by Todd’s filthy hands
needs to pray for God to cleanse them. And get
some clean leaders to pray for you too.
Purge everything from FFM or Todd.
Destroy the DVD/CD’s. Dispose of any FFM material.
What a horrible mess Todd Bentley and FFM
have created. What a horrible mess.
Randy, Randy, Randy…I love your zeal for truth but, dude, you are sounding very judgemental. Only God knows if Todd and his Board have truly repented in their heart for anything they may have said and done that would hurt anyones walk with the Lord. I feel sorry for them. The word says that teachers will be judged harder. But…I know that God is a forgiving God when true repentance is given. Remember, only God can judge a persons heart.
Now, what Jesus said we can judge is the “friut”.
Galatians 5:22&23 “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness(apparently not with his wife),gentleness, self-control”(aparently not where other women are concerned). That we are told to look at and be wise. So would I follow any person who I have seen is not displaying these fruits. No! That would be foolish! How does that “old bible kids song” go….the foolish man built his house upon the sand and the rain came tumbling down. The rain came down and the floods came up, the rain came down and the flood came up, the rain came down and the flood came up and the house on the sand went SPLAT! It would be foolish to sit under this person or any person connected with this person. The discernment of those who sat under him or even along side him would be in question. I will be judged on what I do with the precious time God has given me on this “blue marble”. So for me to continue (though I never did to begin with)sit under his teachings would be foolish. But I can only make that decission for me, not for others. I would hate to have to come before God when He takes me home and explain why I knowingly stayed under someone God revealed to be listening to bad “advisors”. I beleive Todd Bentley was deceived and has been for quite awhile, by what I can see. But again, I do not know the man or his ministry personally. Only God knows their intent. I am sure it started pure but I beleive there were many mistakes made by many people…Todd was only one of the many that will have to stand before God someday and explain. But remember, we too will we too have to stand before God to explain about. “ Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you.”
Luke 6:36-38
So be merciful. Pray for this man and his followers that God would reveal the truth. The truth will set them free. Pray that God will help him and anyone who helped him along with those he may have hurt along the way. Pray that God would be able to use him after much time and good teaching.
My feeling is that it would be in another way, though.
Jim Baker has an awesome testimony since he was shown the error of his ways but he also has a truly repentive heart. God is using him again just in a totally different way. The way God has used him on skid row in LA is truly an awesome sight. God loves Jim Baker….God loves Todd Bentley. Never forget God loves. If we prayed as much as we condemned, the United States would look totally different. California would look totally different and Los Angeles would truly be the “city of Angels”
Reveal the truth in love and above everything pray.
God will not be mocked. He has everything in control.
I am not nearly as worried about Todd Bentley and his misinterpretaions (though huge as they seem to be) as I am with making sure you stay right with God.
Don’t go down a wrong road yourself. I like the way the message bible puts it in Galatians 13-23…”use your freedom to serve one another in love; that’s how freedom grows. For everything we know about God’s Word is summed up in a single sentence: Love others as you love yourself. That’s an act of true freedom. If you bite and ravage each other, watch out—in no time at all you will be annihilating each other, and where will your precious freedom be then?
16-18My counsel is this: Live freely, animated and motivated by God’s Spirit. Then you won’t feed the compulsions of selfishness. For there is a root of sinful self-interest in us that is at odds with a free spirit, just as the free spirit is incompatible with selfishness. These two ways of life are antitheti