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As some people do not read the comments, I have taken this comment and put it up here so everyone here need not miss it.

“I can tell you that the experince at Lakeland… … I felt a strong God like annointing but… now… It speaks for its self.. I was healed for about a 24 period and then it lifted and not in a good way….Now reading old articles… God protected my son from him laying hands on him..I am a very discernful person..I can also tell you I did not go down by a Godly power.. it was a slight nudge.. and not by the Holy Spirit. I am not affiliated with this blog… signed Lee 2…”

This comment was posted on this article - http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/todd-bentley-ministering-in-auburndalelakeland-florida/ 

Todd Bentley prophesied the following, which was published on the Elijah List on August 23, 2007. Bentley said: ‘There is an open Heaven in this place…….But the angels were messin’  around.’   (http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/5733  )  One wonders exactly what kind of angels Todd Bentley knows, and who they belong to exactly, who ‘mess around’ like this amongst the saints, as I certainly do not know any like that that belong to GOD, not have I read of any in the Bible - though I do know angels who hide as angels of light who are from Satan who love jerking the church around and mocking them and ‘messing around’.

Todd Bentley continues in this ‘prophecy’: ‘And I heard that angelic sound last night and I saw it as lightning. I saw sound as white light.’    White light is a known occultic buzz word and belief, particularly popular in Spiritualist beliefs (and in ’white’ witchcraft). Spiritualist Mediums and white witches and other occultists will often cast a circle of white light around themselves as ‘protection’ from dark forces before going into a trance or before casting spells, or before allowing (what they think to be temporary) spirit possession by (what they think to be) benign helping spirits, and call on this white light to aid them or others. It is interesting to note that Patricia King of Extreme Prophetic, who helped mentor Todd Bentley, was involved in witchcraft before her conversion, and prophet Bob Jones, so revered by both Bentley and King has also testified to being involved in the occult and hearing demonic voices. (He claims that upon his conversion the demon voices automatically changed to angels voices). Sadly all too many New Age beliefs have continued in Patricia King’s and Bob Jones’ mindsets, and have obviously greatly influenced Todd Bentley.

This is what Bob Jones has to say about white light: ‘A lot of people see a lot of different colors [when in the third heaven], but when I take the children up most of the time, they see the “white light”. ’   Bob Jones, by the way, claims he can take anyone with him up into a third heaven experience, by his own will by grabbing their hand (more on that later). He claims he goes up ‘there’ daily.

I mentioned at the start of the article about Bentley claiming angels were messing around. On the following video clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFp1tG9z7SM&feature=related he ministers to some people at Toronto (John Arnott’s church). At around 7.59 on this clip (you can fast forward to the place) after ministering wham bam sheba bam, bam    he says ‘That was fun’.   What kind of reverence for God, his anointing or Holy Spirit is that? Can you see any of the apostles doing this? It is not just what he says but how he says it. At around 5.08 on the video and again at 7.15 there are some troubling counterfeit tongues too. (NB. I believe in the genuine  gift of tongues - I am not a cessationist).

I pointed out recently the paradox between Todd Bentley prophesying that this healing anointing would heal bald people and drop the weight off the obese, when his own appearance is overweight and balding. On top of this he has had well documented health problems including a recent heart attack at a very young age (he is only 32 now). I have also already documented the extremely close ties that bind Todd Bentley to prophet Bob Jones of the Kansas City Prophets. Now Bob Jones is not only extremely overweight and so could do with some of this ‘anointing’ as well to melt the excess pounds off,  but he also has his own  well documented health issues than have gone on for some time, including in his kidneys as can be seen by the prayer requests on his website. Why hasn’t this amazing healing anointing sorted these issues out amongst the leaders of this so-called healing revival? Why doesn’t Bob Jones just get slain in the Spirit by Todd already - and after all, of all people, Jones to claims to be soaking in this anointing more than most folk?

On January 24, 2008, The Elijah List published the following “Prophetic Directions for 2008″ from Todd Bentley here: http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/6093  The part from this article that I wish to highlight is this…..‘With that purpose, recently, I asked my friend Bob Jones (a gifted, mature seer-prophet) about what God was saying to him concerning 2008. In a nutshell Bob said that he had not received a clear directive from the Lord yet. He was still praying about it ….’

OK, got that? That was on January 24th 2008.

Now on April 23rd 2008, the Elijah List release this: http://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word/6383 (pasted at the end of the article) which indicates that both Todd Bentley and Bob Jones are now  proclaiming that Bob Jones DID indeed hear clearly from the Lord on New Year’s Eve (twenty five days before the above statement was released saying that Bob Jones had not  yet received a clear directive from the Lord yet about 2008.) Apart from the fact that I have problems with the unscriptural words anyway, on whatever date they were recieved and posted, from two proven false prophets and false teachers, isn’t this rather contradictory? [To cross-check, I looked up Bob Jones' published prophecies for 2008, and the Bentley/Lakeland prophecies appearing in the past few days are the first and only this year. The last one published - on his website and the Elijah List - was back in August 2007 - his Shepherd's Rod predictions for 2008 in two parts (so er... God had apparently spoken to Bob Jones then, in 2007, about 2008 as he writes quite a lot then  in his prophecies for 2008!) Can Bob Jones and/or Todd Bentley get their stories straight, I wonder, and why these blatant contradicitions? In Bob Jones' prediction for 2008 is no mention of the 'third wave', another Toronto or Pensacola/Brownsville, or Todd Bentley, or any winds in Canada - it is only HIS word after the event which anyone can do - but there is some superstitious mumbo jumbo about the day of atonement and the date 08.08.08 'probably' being meaningful (groan).]

‘Below is a ministry report written by Linda Dodson, a church member of Albany Vineyard Christian Fellowship in Albany, Oregon. Linda and sent us the following report of what happened on Monday, April 21, 2008:

The glory of God is growing. There is a tangible presence all over town. Are you feeling “the wind” of the Spirit blowing where you are? The “winds of change” angel appeared to Todd Bentley in Florida, and simultaneously to Bob Jones. I have some encouraging news for all of you, which come from the prophets who released it on Monday night at Ignited Church in Lakeland, Florida. Bob Jones gave Todd Bentley the “green light” to release every bit of this prophetic word.

Todd Bentley called Bob Jones an elder prophet and talked with him for about an hour about the “Florida outpouring” here in Lakeland. Here are notes about their phone conversation:

On New Year’s Eve, for 2008, God told Bob Jones that “the third wave was coming.” Todd asked Bob what the third wave was. He said that Toronto was wave #1, Pensacola was wave #2, and the third wave is the “Winds of Change”–this move of God. This move will be a global move, traveling with signs and wonders all over the world! The third wave is here!

As a sign that this wave would be released from the Northwest, Bob shared that God said in the natural world, there would be extreme “winds and storms” out of Canada and the Northwest this year. (We had these storms in the Northwest this past winter and winds even now!) These natural winds would be followed by the winds of change. There would then be a move of the Holy Ghost, where entire towns would be shut down by the power of the Spirit. Revival will come as a Northwest wind.

It was also mentioned to “set up your sail”–the “Winds of Change” are blowing! There are 12 places specifically mentioned where revival will hit first (listed in the order mentioned):

Des Moines, Iowa; Omaha and Lincoln, Nebraska; Kansas City, Missouri; Denver, Colorado; Nashville, Tennessee; Lakeland, Florida; Ohio; Charlotte, North Carolina; Albany, Oregon; Washington; and Redding, California. [End times note added in here: this of course is where a lot of sympathetic heretical ministries are located!] Of course, I did quite a bit of shouting when Todd named “Albany, Oregon.” We have known for some time that Revival was on the way to Albany, and yet when I heard it declared by the prophets, it was a glorious moment. So for Albany and Oregonians, rejoice and get your hearts ready! Also mentioned were countries where it is moving first–England, Australia and New Zealand.

June 22 to July 22 will be a significant time in the spirit. (Todd didn’t elaborate on this period.) This Revival will NOT be stopped.

There are several “clarion trumpets” (people God uses to deliver His word) and John Kilpatrick, former pastor of the Brownsville Assembly of God Church, where the Pensacola Revival took place, “probably has one of the clearest trumpets.” Todd wanted to honor John Kilpatrick by naming him as Bob had spoken.

The third wave has begun! This wave promotes, prepares, purifies, pierces and inspires. We can expect to be changed by this move of God. The year 2008 will be the best of years for Christians and the worst of years for unbelievers, mainly due to their fear about the economy. There are doors now open in the spirit that will not shut!

The “Voice of Healing” move of the Spirit of years ago is here for a second time and it won’t be stopped. This was a major healing move. This current move can be carried to other cities and countries. Wherever people move and who are carriers of this glory, it will move, like the ark was moved from place to place.  (End times note: this is heretical Latter Rain Manifest Sons rubbish]

There will be one main thing required to see this outpouring continue: COMMITMENT–it will cost a lot to see it happen. (Todd has said twice now, that if this move requires him to lay down his own ministry, he will do it!)  [End times note: Yeah right, this is all about promoting his ministry!]  An invasion of glory for the hungry is on the way for you and your whole family!

I felt happy to be able to respond to the altar call as someone from Oregon to come and receive the “anointing and impartation” from Todd Bentley for Revival for Albany, Oregon. I was with others from the places mentioned above. I have been very hungry and contending for many years for Revival. I have gone wherever God has called me to experience His glory and to grow deeper in Him. So I am very encouraged by Monday night’s word! The glory of God is coming to your town, too!”

“Bob Jones is …. the most accurate prophet in our generation…I love sitting at his feet.”   

(Patricia King aka Pat Coking of Extreme Prophetic Ministries)

 Patricia King, for the record, helped mentor and bring on ‘prophet’ Todd Bentley. 

See here what Todd has to say about Bob Jones: http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/todd-bentley-on-bob-jones-of-the-kansas-city-prophets/

Last night (Friday 25th) I watched Todd Bentley live on God TV speaking at Auburndale (where the meetings have now gone to from Lakeland Ignited church, to accommodate all the crowds).  

I saw a lot going on there which I will write more on as time permits. What was evident was a lot of pride coming from Todd Bentley, and indeed even mockery as he ministered. It was also very staged. His mannerisms were like a caricature and obviously false. At several points, he faked spiritual manifestations - notable a period of holy laughter that was false (and I do not mean by that demonic, but I know a false and forced laugh when I hear one). He was doing it to try and get the congregation to manifest - and manifest they did, right on cue for him before calming down a few seconds later when he began speaking again. And this is supposed to be an outpouring of the Holy Spirit? To start and stop on cue like that with no visible fruit from it, or glorifying God? Todd has learnt that cheap trick from Rodney Howard Browne.

He outright pushed many over to be slain in the spirit as he shouted ‘boom and bam!’  (mockingly I thought as he frequently did a little smirk afterwards), and just before someone was supposed to go over, one of his catchers would press the person in the back to cue them up to falling too. Note also that all the people who had already  testified to being healed were laid hands on again and slain in the Spirit. The only point in that was surely entertainment,  it looks powerful, it seems impressive - but why would God slay them in the Spirit yet again if they were already healed (I could understand if Todd was praying for a release of an evangelism gift on them or something, but for the most part he was not,  he was not praying anything apart from boom and bam and take that….)  I have no doubt of the sincerity of many of the people at the meeting - or the desperation in the sick - but Todd was  insincere and fake as can be. The whole thing was very staged and very false. I wish it wasn’t false and I wish he were a true healer and a true prophet sent by God preaching the truth. But I cannot deny the truth - he isn’t and he didn’t. At no time did I hear the gospel, and the few times I heard the name Jesus pass his lips it was said rather strangely.

Todd Bentley was obviously desperate for ‘his’ revival to be the next big thing which was all about him (I rarely heard the name of Jesus or glorifying of God in the healings, it was all about Todd, with the attention all on him). The revival which is not a revival anyway by true definition - and is obviously overhyped and has been manufactured - he is obviously wanting  to be the next Toronto or Brownsville/Pensacola and so he is doing and saying everything he can to make that happen. This ‘move of God’ is manufactured by man and is not from God. It was not about what GOD wanted, it was what Todd  and his associates wanted and about where Todd was wanting it to go. If this were a true move of God, then Todd would be at God’s feet in awe and reverence, happy for this to go wherever it wants to go, rather than the other way around getting it to serve his own ministry, his own needs, wants and desires.

He urged everyone to get the word out about the ‘revival’ and get the media interested and get people from all over the world there, but should it not rather be encouraging people to get the word out about God, about what he is doing,  and pointing them to God, and to glorify God, wherever they are at? Why the need to go on about the church/place where it occurred? That is irrelevant. The disciples did not point to the Upper Room at Pentecost, they pointed to Jesus.  They did not drag back and baptise new converts in the Spirit in the Upper Room either, their hotspot, they baptised them as and where they were, and they went on their way rejoicing. Jesus  was always the focus, never the Upper Room.

I noted how Todd said that it was about this ‘anointing’ - it going to the world. Should it not be the gospel going to the world, pointing to God rather than to an evangelist having meetings in Florida?  He spoke about multiple anointings (I think he said there were ten), yet the book of I john says there is only one true anointing, and those who claim otherwise are false teachers.

He urged pastors from around the world to ‘come and get some’ for them and their church as the anointing was transferable from Bentley, yet if this were truly from God, then all that would be needed would be to call the church to repentance and prayer and seeking God,  wherever they are at, for God’s power to break forth where they are at on them. The fact he did not do this, and instead encouraged people to come to Florida and Bentley for a transferable anointing with no requirements for congregational repentance, prayer or obedience, says a lot about the counterfeit character and nature of this anointing.

He had people come up to testify to healings, and would frequently and rudely interrupt them (or interrupt himself midflow) to give another supposed word of knowledge to the audience. This goes against the I Corinthians command to prophesy in decency and order without interrupting another speaking, as the spirit of the prophets is subject to the control of the prophets and there is no need - or excuse for interrupting. However Bentley did this, I believe, as it looked good to the audience, it was effective control to keep them enraptured. But I believe it was as staged as his laughter and other antics, and I did not believe he got all the words when he claimed either, let alone from the Holy Spirit. And what was with the pretend tongues he kept repeating over again - that was pure mockery! Bentley well knows what he is doing on this point and it is done with no fear of God quite brazenly.

His tattoos and piercings are what he has gotten recently, long after his conversion. He shows them off proudly to be different, to be unique (he was wearing a heavy metal tshirt with KILLER emblazoned on it last night) - yet the Bible speaks against tattoos  - and his whole stage show including his catchers, is part of a  well orchestrated show too to be and look different….including the booms  and bams.  But it is fake.

He gave out words of knowledge which were very general indeed. With a large audience in the sanctuary, and many more watching on TV or on the internet, he would have as good if not better success and a higher hit rate  by reading out from a medical dictionary of common medical complaints. So to say someone there is deaf, or has cancer, or a heart problem, well, it’s not rocket science, you’re going to strike each time, especially if no other detail is given with the prophecy such as name etc. Also as he prophesied  that this anointing was going to heal the obese and those with baldness problems, I wondered why his God did not heal Bentley who is both fat and balding. I do not say this to be rude about him, or even be personal  - I only say this because of the huge dichotomony between what he says and prophesies and with reality.

Anyway these words of knowledge were very general and basic and catch all. Then Bentley said: ‘I don’t think I have ever been so clear prophesying…this is scary!’   This expression is very telling. First off, his prophecy was not clear, let alone very  clear, and I do not think it was even prophecy but guesswork but that’s another thing. Second, what he said and more importantly the way he said it  was pointing attention to himself, look at me, look at what I am doing, I am such a great prophet.  Third and most important, even if he were prophesying accurately and clearly in a genuine spirit, why on earth would it be scary? A mature and genuine prophet would not think this, let alone say this! It would be glorifying to God, and the servant would be a faithful messenger and pleased to speak forth. Nothing scary there, it should be ‘natural’, unless perhaps it was scary content in the vision, and even then a mature prophet would handle this.  He at one point called someone out and said he had an ‘open vision’ earlier about something concerning them, and then prayed for them insisting the vision  was still alive,  inferring thereby there was extra power in it.  This is very occultic, as it goes with the idea that a vision has a life and a power intrinsically in itself, rather than ‘just’ being a message of the word and mind of God on a matter. It is a very odd thing for a true prophet to say as a true prophet would know this is not how it works - but what one would expect of one of the new false prophets who are steeped in new age and mysticism, and hogwash, and have not experienced the real, or do not speak for the real God.

There are other things I could say, but that will suffice for now. Bentley is not a true messenger of God, and should be avoided.

Other linked posts:

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/todd-bentley-on-bob-jones-of-the-kansas-city-prophets/

and http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/a-false-healing-revival-todd-bentley-and-lakeland-ignited-events/

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/firsthand-testimony-from-a-todd-bentley-fresh-fire-ministries-conference/

and http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/todd-bentley-and-the-lakeland-revival/

and http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/todd-bentley-prophesying-bad-cold-reading/

and http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/02/24/ihop-prophets-tap-into-spiritual-powers-the-psychic-realm/

and http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/02/13/william-branham-prophet-of-the-latter-rain/

and http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/10/24/prophet-bob-jones-of-white-dove-ministries-speaks-about-healing/

and http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/08/17/the-growth-of-a-prophet-accountability-prophetic-infallibility/

and http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/08/14/patricia-king-extreme-prophetic-bob-jones-rick-joyner-kansas-city-prophets/

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/the-real-laodicean-call-a-message-to-the-church-of-laodicea/

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/lying-for-the-holy-spirit/