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Todd Bentley ministering in Auburndale/Lakeland Florida

Last night (Friday 25th) I watched Todd Bentley live on God TV speaking at Auburndale (where the meetings have now gone to from Lakeland Ignited church, to accommodate all the crowds).

I saw a lot going on there which I will write more on as time permits. What was evident was a lot of pride coming from Todd Bentley, and indeed even mockery as he ministered. It was also very staged. His mannerisms were like a caricature and obviously false. At several points, he faked spiritual manifestations – notable a period of holy laughter that was false (and I do not mean by that demonic, but I know a false and forced laugh when I hear one). He was doing it to try and get the congregation to manifest – and manifest they did, right on cue for him before calming down a few seconds later when he began speaking again. And this is supposed to be an outpouring of the Holy Spirit? To start and stop on cue like that with no visible fruit from it, or glorifying God? Todd has learnt that cheap trick from Rodney Howard Browne.

He outright pushed many over to be slain in the spirit as he shouted ‘boom and bam!’ (mockingly I thought as he frequently did a little smirk afterwards), and just before someone was supposed to go over, one of his catchers would press the person in the back to cue them up to falling too. Note also that all the people who had already testified to being healed were laid hands on again and slain in the Spirit. The only point in that was surely entertainment, it looks powerful, it seems impressive – but why would God slay them in the Spirit yet again if they were already healed (I could understand if Todd was praying for a release of an evangelism gift on them or something, but for the most part he was not, he was not praying anything apart from boom and bam and take that….) I have no doubt of the sincerity of many of the people at the meeting – or the desperation in the sick - but Todd was insincere and fake as can be. The whole thing was very staged and very false. I wish it wasn’t false and I wish he were a true healer and a true prophet sent by God preaching the truth. But I cannot deny the truth – he isn’t and he didn’t. At no time did I hear the gospel, and the few times I heard the name Jesus pass his lips it was said rather strangely.

Todd Bentley was obviously desperate for ‘his’ revival to be the next big thing which was all about him (I rarely heard the name of Jesus or glorifying of God in the healings, it was all about Todd, with the attention all on him). The revival which is not a revival anyway by true definition – and is obviously overhyped and has been manufactured - he is obviously wanting to be the next Toronto or Brownsville/Pensacola and so he is doing and saying everything he can to make that happen. This ‘move of God’ is manufactured by man and is not from God. It was not about what GOD wanted, it was what Todd and his associates wanted and about where Todd was wanting it to go. If this were a true move of God, then Todd would be at God’s feet in awe and reverence, happy for this to go wherever it wants to go, rather than the other way around getting it to serve his own ministry, his own needs, wants and desires.

He urged everyone to get the word out about the ‘revival’ and get the media interested and get people from all over the world there, but should it not rather be encouraging people to get the word out about God, about what he is doing, and pointing them to God, and to glorify God, wherever they are at? Why the need to go on about the church/place where it occurred? That is irrelevant. The disciples did not point to the Upper Room at Pentecost, they pointed to Jesus. They did not drag back and baptise new converts in the Spirit in the Upper Room either, their hotspot, they baptised them as and where they were, and they went on their way rejoicing. Jesus was always the focus, never the Upper Room.

I noted how Todd said that it was about this ‘anointing’ – it going to the world. Should it not be the gospel going to the world, pointing to God rather than to an evangelist having meetings in Florida? He spoke about multiple anointings (I think he said there were ten), yet the book of I john says there is only one true anointing, and those who claim otherwise are false teachers.

He urged pastors from around the world to ‘come and get some’ for them and their church as the anointing was transferable from Bentley, yet if this were truly from God, then all that would be needed would be to call the church to repentance and prayer and seeking God, wherever they are at, for God’s power to break forth where they are at on them. The fact he did not do this, and instead encouraged people to come to Florida and Bentley for a transferable anointing with no requirements for congregational repentance, prayer or obedience, says a lot about the counterfeit character and nature of this anointing.

He had people come up to testify to healings, and would frequently and rudely interrupt them (or interrupt himself midflow) to give another supposed word of knowledge to the audience. This goes against the I Corinthians command to prophesy in decency and order without interrupting another speaking, as the spirit of the prophets is subject to the control of the prophets and there is no need – or excuse for interrupting. However Bentley did this, I believe, as it looked good to the audience, it was effective control to keep them enraptured. But I believe it was as staged as his laughter and other antics, and I did not believe he got all the words when he claimed either, let alone from the Holy Spirit. And what was with the pretend tongues he kept repeating over again – that was pure mockery! Bentley well knows what he is doing on this point and it is done with no fear of God quite brazenly.

His tattoos and piercings are what he has gotten recently, long after his conversion. He shows them off proudly to be different, to be unique (he was wearing a heavy metal tshirt with KILLER emblazoned on it last night) – yet the Bible speaks against tattoos – and his whole stage show including his catchers, is part of a well orchestrated show too to be and look different….including the booms and bams. But it is fake.

He gave out words of knowledge which were very general indeed. With a large audience in the sanctuary, and many more watching on TV or on the internet, he would have as good if not better success and a higher hit rate by reading out from a medical dictionary of common medical complaints. So to say someone there is deaf, or has cancer, or a heart problem, well, it’s not rocket science, you’re going to strike each time, especially if no other detail is given with the prophecy such as name etc. Also as he prophesied that this anointing was going to heal the obese and those with baldness problems, I wondered why his God did not heal Bentley who is both fat and balding. I do not say this to be rude about him, or even be personal - I only say this because of the huge dichotomony between what he says and prophesies and with reality.

Anyway these words of knowledge were very general and basic and catch all. Then Bentley said: ‘I don’t think I have ever been so clear prophesying…this is scary!’ This expression is very telling. First off, his prophecy was not clear, let alone very clear, and I do not think it was even prophecy but guesswork but that’s another thing. Second, what he said and more importantly the way he said it was pointing attention to himself, look at me, look at what I am doing, I am such a great prophet. Third and most important, even if he were prophesying accurately and clearly in a genuine spirit, why on earth would it be scary? A mature and genuine prophet would not think this, let alone say this! It would be glorifying to God, and the servant would be a faithful messenger and pleased to speak forth. Nothing scary there, it should be ‘natural’, unless perhaps it was scary content in the vision, and even then a mature prophet would handle this. He at one point called someone out and said he had an ‘open vision’ earlier about something concerning them, and then prayed for them insisting the vision was still alive, inferring thereby there was extra power in it. This is very occultic, as it goes with the idea that a vision has a life and a power intrinsically in itself, rather than ‘just’ being a message of the word and mind of God on a matter. It is a very odd thing for a true prophet to say as a true prophet would know this is not how it works – but what one would expect of one of the new false prophets who are steeped in new age and mysticism, and hogwash, and have not experienced the real, or do not speak for the real God.

There are other things I could say, but that will suffice for now. Bentley is not a true messenger of God, and should be avoided.

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I can tell you that the experince at Lakeland… Has lifted too a man made thing… I felt a strong G8d like annointing but… now… It speaks for its self.. I was healed for about a 24 period and then it lifted and not in a good way..Now reading old articles… G8d protected my son from him laying hands on him..I am a very discernful person..I can also tell you I did not go down by a G8dly power.. it saw a slight nudge.. and not by the Holy Spirit..And I do not even want too talk about the kcmo people..I will keep walking away and finding my bible about this… Because the gospel is more about the written word… than the carnal man… touch not Gods annoited … so lord let me stand in wisdom and not neutriality.. but in truth according to your word and lifes experience play a part in that.. I am not affiliated with this blog… signed Lee 2…And Satan I will get healed and be made whole..

Comment by Lee2 | April 27, 2008
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Comment by Lee2 | April 27, 2008
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You may be completely right about your observations, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t God in there somewhere. Todd’s young and nothing like this has happened before – don’t we all take our vision off the greater goal when something major happens right in front of us? If I remember correctly, there were a lot of mistakes that happened in the begining at Toronto, but God and His grace kept moving through it anyway. Like Randy Clark was always fond of saying, no matter how strange it looks, if it’s a true move of God, it will spawn a major missionary move. I’ve been in South Africa and Mozambique doing mission work, and most missionaries I have run across were touched by Toronto in some way – some were even commissioned there. I would love for another move of the spirit to happen like that!

I don’t think it’s right to be able to discount the whole outpouring based on the people running it. Spiritual gifts aren’t wages for being holy – I kind of wish they were, but annointings aren’t necessarily connected with the godliness of the person. I know Todd and his team have been desparately crying out for something like this for a long time, and just because it happens doesn’t mean he was ready for it spiritually. Even if the ministry team and Todd are completely focused on themselves, you can bet God’s heart is focused on the hundreds of people desperately seeking Him each night. If Todd’s motives and attitude are wrong, I trust God will refine him or otherwise deal with him. Hopefully Todd will fix some of the flaws you so correctly pointed out. I’ll be praying that Todd will start preaching more of the gospel and focusing more on who the signs point to than the signs themselves. But throughout the Bible, God works through broken people and I pray that He does so again for the sake of the billions that need a savior.

Philippians 1:15-18

Comment by Jon | April 27, 2008
Jon

>>Todd’s young and nothing like this has happened before

That’s not true at all. This ministry and the manifestations is nothing new to even him, and he is manufacturing this up with the aid of other people. This has been planned by man. This has also happened at Brownsville and Toronto. And Todd is not that young either.

>>when something major happens right in front of us

But is it really, that’s the point? What is really happening when you seive out the hype and the false and the hysteria – what is really there that has not been present in any of his other meetings?

>>If I remember correctly, there were a lot of mistakes that happened in the begining at Toronto, but God and His grace kept moving through it anyway

Toronto was NEVER from God, it was Satan inspired. God did not keep it moving, although he allowed it. More bad fruit has come through Toronto than anything else in the church for many years. And more bad fruit is still budding there.

>>Spiritual gifts aren’t wages for being holy

You are right on this, God gives them in his grace, and God uses broken imperfect people – but the point is not about Todd’s character flaws, or even his pride – it is that what he is doing, teaching and prophesying. It is false, and counterfeit and unscriptural and in some cases as pointed out Todd is absolutely aware it is fake and he is making it happen. To that degree I am perfectly right in accusing him of LYING and of charlatanism, – because he has done this, and I am not just referring to the episode at Lakeland with the foreced laughter etc and stupid mannerims, I have watched other videos where I just know he is not speaking the truth abouts his prophetic experiences. It is not just the case that he has been sincerely decieved, it is that he insincerely decieving.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 27, 2008
Jon said: “Like Randy Clark was always fond of saying, no matter how strange it looks, if it’s a true move of God, it will spawn a major missionary move.”

Hmmm….makes me wonder how the Mormons fit in using this analogy.

Comment by Scotty | April 27, 2008
G-d has used the unlikely person most of the time.

Most main line Christian organizations fear the Holy Spirit because it would detract from themselves.

Jesus is on his way to earth. If your one of the Christian fakers, in it for the money, that look of terror and anger on your face is justified. Revival is correctly freightening for you. Healing will make you go crazy with anger. Please, get over yourself, accept Jesus, and get out of the way of the Holy Spirit. Let it teach you and heal you.

Comment by James Holder | April 27, 2008
I found your blog yesterday & am glad I did. I’ve been praying for discernment a lot lately, that God will continue to grow me in it. It’s frightening to see just how many out there are causing confusion, & makes me wonder if there are any out there who we can even trust partially that their hearts are for God first & foremost (even if they do make mistakes). Are there? I’m definitely curious!

I am a fairly new Christian, so it is overwhelming to see that there is such deception out there & such seemingly huge amounts of counterfeit all around, & scary as well!

I’m so glad to have found your web site, & found other “charismatic” Christians looking intensely for discernment & THE truth, & wanting more for the Good News of Jesus Christ to be shared (repentance & all!), for God to get the glory, & for His will to be done above all!

Comment by A. | April 27, 2008
A:

There are still true servants of the Lord out there that will not compromise. There are many false ones also and sadly the ones most in the public eye are likely to be a long way off and/or showmen. This may tend to distort your perspective so you think EVERYONE in the church is an untrustworthy apostate, but it is not so.

But still saying that, every servant of the Lord still has to be weighed and tested – every one, remember, however much they may look, feel, smell like the real deal…however much they may have been right in the past…..because even when we are the real deal, we can still get it wrong. No man should be trusted as the carrier of the implict truth – weigh what they say, if it measures up to scripture great, if it doesn’t discard it.

The command to test the spirits is given in the continuous tense, that is test and keep on testing. Otherwise, bad teaching and off things creep in unawares from someone who you formerly did test but has since gone off track unnoticed. It is amazing how little things creep in unnoticed into church and in a short time everything has gone to pot.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 27, 2008
I just watched a bit online; and, I saw all that was posted here: the arrogance, cutting people off in midsentence for their “anointing,” etc. What struck me (not literally, thankfully!) is that Bentley called people who had already been healed for the “anointing.” If one is already healed, just what is the “anointing” for?.

Just a few minutes ago he pointed to the TV (I was watching on the ‘net) and said specifically he was going to impart something to viewers and I IMMEDIATELY closed out the window!

Comment by Lee | April 27, 2008
>> Bentley called people who had already been healed for the “anointing

I know, I meant to mention that, thanks for reminding me, it is part of the showmanship and entertainment. Same as when somebody stood in place for another person and got whacked out in the spirit. Why would they get slain?

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 27, 2008
My family has been watching the TV broadcast for the past several days. I live in FL as well. Anyway I was raised penecostal so I am not new to seeing people being slain in the Spirit, etc. What concerned me was that people were being hurried off the floor area after the altar call for salvation. I have never seen this before. I have always believed that the Holy Spirit has his own time table and that we can’t rush or shut off a true manifestation of God. I have seen this first hand before when people would be slain in the Spirit, filled with the Holy Ghost and it would last quite a while. The preacher/others did not pull anyone up or make anyone leave the altar area. I found it strange that they did in last night’s service. They were actually pulling people up off the floor! Also, I agree that not much prayer is going on. I felt like the people who came down for salvation definately needed to have more prayer time/counseling. I am not doubting that some people may have been healed in these services. But it was the Lord’s work, not that of man. I have also seen prophetic healing services and in those services the person was called out by name or the minister walked over to them and pointed them out for healing. It was not generalized. All that generalization like someone with a nerve problem, etc. almost reminds me of those TV psyhics who say “You have a female spirit around you with long hair” it is so general it could fit anyone. Also, to think that every ailment is caused by a demon is ridiculous. God never promised us a life of ease here on Earth. We are to work for the Lord. And sometimes that’s hard and sometime’s people get sick. I hope that people out there don’t think that they are demon possessed because they have back pain, etc. This is not scriptual. We need to all be in prayer about what is going on.

Comment by Sissy | April 27, 2008
We are told that they have very large crowds and have had to move to larger places at least 3 times, so that may be the reason for taking people off the floor. What we should understand that human beings who the perfect God graciously uses, are not perfect. We can look at history and that is very clear. God knew David would commit adultery and murder and yet made him king, and had the Messiah come out of his lineage! So God thinks differently…

I have watched Todd Bentley and I have not agreed with everything he has done in terms of the charges for his conferences etc. but I will never deny that he has a gift to minister. In Matthew 7:22, 23, those with mighty gifts may not make it into God’s intimacy, but others can receive of the gift and be blessed. So intimacy and obedience to the Lord (where the fruits of the Spirit will be obvious), will determine if a person with a gift will avoid the Matthew 7 situation. WE MUST UNDERSTAND HOWEVER, THAT IT IS BETWEEN THE PERSON GIFTED AND GOD, and his eternity. It is very clear that those who receive of the gift are not receiving something fake.

Comment by rozain | April 28, 2008
Honestly, when are Christians going to stop picking apart their brothers and sisters for not being perfect? I would agree with you that Todd doesn’t do everything right. But I would also have to wonder when was the last time any of us had a massive outbreak of salvations and healings. I’ve followed the guy off and on for years, and read a good bit of his literature, and I know that he’s put in his time. He’s spent thousands and thousands of hours just hanging around with God. Which is a whole lot more than me, and I would assume most of us.

I was actually pretty disappointed about the whole fat and bald comment. Make sure you watch out for bears… And if you’ve done your research or have even seen a past sermon, it would be obvious that he looks a good deal healthier than he did before. Seriously, are we still in high school?

I really don’t want to be the black sheep and try to defend the movement… God can defend and prove whatever HE wants. I would just appreciate it if my fellow brothers and sisters took and look and possibly not become the persecutors of a new movement. Beyond that, at least come up with some better arguments to discredit his ministry beyond how his stage presence comes off to your expert opinion. When God pours out His Spirit through any of us, we would be naive not to know that there’s always going to be a mix of divine and flesh.

All in all, let’s chew up the meat and spit out the bones here. God is obviously doing something, and desperate people are reaching God. If you stand back and refuse to join in because it’s not perfect you might as well become a monk, because you’ll never be happy interacting with other humans. I just want to be where God is moving, and if it looks different, then great! Because the current reach of the church pretty much sucks, and I would like to see a move of God that doesn’t look like a move of the church. When we’re desperate enough to look foolish and different, then God may be able to move. I just don’t want me or any of us to miss it because we think we’re “too smart for it”.

Comment by Matt | April 28, 2008
His tattoos and piercings are what he has gotten recently, long after his conversion. He shows them off proudly to be different, to be unique (he was wearing a heavy metal tshirt with KILLER emblazoned on it last night) – yet the Bible speaks against tattoos…

Here may be why he did this. This is apparently from 2004 or perhaps a bit earlier:

Todd Bentley recently said of the Revival and Emerging Apostolic Movement…

“Somebody emailed our ministry and asked a valid question. He said,

‘Todd, you are going to have all these men – prophets and apostles – get together and talk about the emerging apostolic movement. My fear would be that there wouldn’t be a representation of the Goths, the Punks and the Ravers – the whole underground world that God is moving in today – the movement that offends and scares most people in the church. You know – the punked and colored hair with all the earrings and piercings in every part of the body. Is there not room for true apostle and prophets in that sub-culture?’

From that question I realized that we need to be very careful in the whole new emerging (apostolic) movement, not to just package it how we think it should look. I am going to make some statements now: There are punk apostles; there are biker prophets; there are ravers that are apostles; there are skinheads that are part of this prophetic movement…I don’t have any here right now. I’d be the closest thing. We must not forget that these (sub-cultures) have a voice in this whole prophetic movement too. The teenage apostles and the teenage prophets are being raised up, and it’s also happening in other spheres of life too.” [Revival Now]

I copied the above from here:

http://watch.pair.com/bennyhinn.html

Comment by Lee | April 28, 2008
Wow, I can’t believe what I have read. God is pouring out HIS spirit in FL! If you don’t believe that’s fine but to say whether God is in something or not is pretty big. Just because you don’t feel it or believe does not mean God is not in it! Please don’t put a damper on God’s spirit..

Comment by michelle | April 28, 2008
Sissy,

I read your comment and thought it will be helpful if I explain what my experience was with the type of “thing” that is going on in this ministry. The Lord moves in amazingly wonderful ways, and the Bible says not many wise are called. I look at Todd and think he is hardly “wise.” Many may think he is uncouth; today he did not seem to even know some countries that I would easily have known because I am “educated.” Anyway getting back to the meetings: when I was slain in the Spirit there was an almost acceleration of an inner awareness of my hunger for God, His love and greatness. It is so impacting that I can never ever deny the reality of the Lord, even if I am laughed to scorn. It happened in my spirit, because I am spirit and made in the image of God who is Spirit.

I wonder if God wants His children to get on with His program of amazing wonder, freedom, confidence and blessing, that He does not want to wait till a denomination committee endorses the program??? He is God and He does things His way. Religion is the greatest enemy to to move of God, and just like Jesus shunned the religious big guys, God does the same. The child like attitude of Todd Bentley (which also may account for his lack of discretion and propriety); maybe the attraction for God. After all He did use a donkey to talk to Baalam!!! I think the Lord has a great sense of humor…He wants us to laugh, and for good reason; the Bible says a merry heart does good like a medicine! Many folk need healing, especially those who have searched and searched with no success. The stupendous work of the Holy Spirit is like a laser dynamite the does a quick surgical work deep in the spirits of people, to bring them to wholeness or expose them to the Father.

Comment by rozain | April 28, 2008
After reading through the varying comments on this site, I belive that as Christians that we should not be judging any person. If this is truly from God then this will continue and the presence outpoured upon Lakelands and subsequently the corners of the world. If as many have indicated above then this is of Todd Bentley rather than Jesus being glorified, then Todd will be judged on his judgment day. It is not OUR position to judge, but the Lord’s. What position are we to judge when we have so many sins ourselves thatw e commit each day.

Comment by Martyn | April 28, 2008
I attended the Lakeland meetings last Thursday night. I went to test the spirits whether they be of the Lord Jesus Christ who came in the flesh or of another. Watchinig on television, is one thing. Being there was quite another. I literally began weeping during the service. I saw the crowd as sheep having no shepherd. They were seeking healing, which God desires to give. But they were so bent on getting the healing that they were not seeking God. I noticed that at least three times, we were directed to honor various PEOPLE, including the pastors of the Ignited Church, and Todd Bentley, but there was never really any glory directed to God. At one point I opened my Bible for guidance to a random spot (wanting to start looking in the gospel for the scripture on sheep having no shepherd) and the Lord had my Bible fall open to Mark 13. Verse 5 reads “Watch out that no one deceives you. Many will come in my name, claiming “I am he,” and will deceive many.” I couldn’t have asked the Lord to speak in any clearer way. But that was just one of many things that convinced me that this is an evil deception from the enemy.

There was nothing fake in the physical reactions of people that were touched by Todd. They were being physically affected. I have no doubt that many of their testimonies of “healing” (at least the disappearance of symptoms) were true. But these acts are being performed by demons. Many of the people who fell, clearly were being demonized. I saw a lady pulled to the side of the stage and left manifesting demons with no one to minister to her after she was touched by Bentley. Another girl fell and lay twitching and then motionless after she fell under his touch. She was quickly removed from the stage before she was physically able to stand, and when she was back down off the platform she still could not stand up. She was bent at the waste. The workers form Bentley’s crew didn’t help her. Someone from the audience came to assist her to her seat. There was not gentleness or love being shown these people. At one point, when Bentley accidently touched or directed a “bam” toward one of the “announcers” that was introducing people as the came on stage (a huge guy that must have weighed 300 lbs.), the man lifted up and off the floor and went backwards through the air. The maniacal laughter that rose up from around the sanctuary when someone manifested demons by their violent shaking after Todd’s touch was a sound of mocking. It was not of the Lord. There was indeed power being manifested. But it was not the power of Jehovah God. Bentley no doubt has encourntered an angel. But it is not an angel of the Lord of Hosts. Another thing that was noticabley absent was any mention or sign of repentence. When God’s presence fills a place, the first thing that happens is repentence (see, e.g., Isaiah). I left the meeting after children from a children’s home for abused kids were brought on stage. It broke my heart that children that had already been victimized by the enemy were being revictimized by the demons working out through Bentley and his crew. As we walked away from the event, I and the two others with me were led to pray warfare prayers against the demonic. We together in the car all three broke down weeping because we felt the heart of God for this deception on His people. Sadly, many of those people that were there will need deliverance ministry from the demonization they’ve suffered at the hands of these so called ministers of God. Before going to the meeting, I would have probably simply told people to be careful and test the spirits etc. Now I will tell anyone who asks to stay away. Run, don’t walk, away from this! I have not fully recovered from seeing that abomination. It feels as if I have witnessed some heinous crime like a murder or rape. It makes me very sad. What is most astounding is that God’s people cannot now discern a wolf who is appearing in a wolf’s clothing.

Comment by JM | April 28, 2008
God loves you and you are his precious creation but please, stop what you are doing here. Christians are called to be of one heart and mind and to build one another up, not tear each other down. Criticising one another in public is dangerous because it divides the Church and portrays it as full of ungrace when in fact we should bring HEAVEN to Earth and be filled with God’s amazing Grace, after all He’s done for us. As such, if you have a problem with Todd Bentley, please say it to him or his team directly. I fear that what is here verges on gossip. I respect your right to an opinion but I believe that as Christians we are called to use our minds wisely and above all else: LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

Comment by Rebecca | April 28, 2008
Hi guys, me too I started thinking when i saw Todd Bentley on God.tv because of his piercings, that is , the earings, head tie and so on. as for the tatoos, i thought he had them before he received Christ. Well, I choose to keep my mouth closed because the Bible is strongly against talking against men of God. what if he is truely a man of God? Just be careful with what you say. But i think his tatoos and his piercings are going to mislead many christians, as they may want to imitate the tatoos and piercings. Well just control your speech as it may lead you to trouble.

Comment by Sergi | April 28, 2008
All these different posts on Todd Bentley are confusing as I don’t know where to post my comments!
However, I decided to switch on to God TV last night to see for myself what was going on. I watched some of the worship and then watched Todd send Rory Alec to the floor. I must say I couldn’t make much sense of what he was saying. I felt uneasy as I watched and it appeared to be another case of Christians indulging their flesh. This would apply to much of what I see on the God Channel these days. It concerns me that there is so much emphasis on ‘getting along’ and ‘live and let live’, at the cost of discernment and truth.

Comment by Elizabeth | April 28, 2008
Todd is a good charlatan.

He teaches New Age and Gnostic teachings in his conferences, and people are blind to the man, man, man, man in all of this.

Last night, I listened for most of two hours while chatting with others on their website.

NOT ONCE DID TODD MENTION THE NAME OF JESUS, NOR GLORIFY GOD.

It’s all about the anointing, you gotta come to this revival, and take this anointing to where ever.

Nothing about repentance, holiness, or even teaching basic teachings from the Bible.

It’s all about “demonstration,” “signs and wonders” and stuff for those seeking a sign.

Comment by SF | April 28, 2008
A parting Scripture.

Colossians 2:8, 18-19

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions.

19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

Comment by SF | April 28, 2008
A falling away from the Truth is a precursor to the coming of the Lord. 1 Timothy 4 | 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

2 Timothy 4:1-5
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

The Word of God is our foundation and in my watching of the end times fast approaching, it has become clear that while many are going to look for a revival, the majority will fall away from the Truth of God’s Word in apostasy as prophesied. Let’s also not forget what the spirit of prophecy is. If he is truly not focused on Yeshua, what kind of prophesying is it?

Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Bible prophecy comes from the Word of God, which is Yeshua, and tells of His first and second comings. To me, this is what prophecy is all about and I’ve discovered that the Bible gives most of the details of the big picture. Our lives should be lived in accordance with the selfless love of God for Him and each other, preaching the Gospel until He comes to gather His bride. Even then, only half of those that call Him Lord will enter into the marriage of the Lamb. Matthew 25:1-13 – Get to know Yeshua and share Him should be our focus. Signs and wonders aren’t a “proof” of anointing, the testimony of Yeshua and relationship with Him is.

Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I haven’t watched Todd so I can’t truly judge, but from what I’ve read here and some other places the “revival” is based on signs and wonders, not the cross and our salvation through Yeshua. Is there a recognition of sin and true repentance, or feelings? A change of heart? With the rampant apostasy and the merging of Eastern tradition, I would be extremely cautious and personally choose to stick to the Word instead. I’ve gotten more peace and fulfillment from that anyways. Thanks for keeping watch and keep watching!

Comment by Watchman | April 28, 2008
Im 16. I am from South Africa. and i do not believe what u are saying! u are a hypocrit! this movement is one the best things for the church! it is what we the world need! and ur comment on toronto being satan insired it total made up junk! to be honest i dnt know how u can run a blog and say u a christian! the things u say, the defiance of Gods works and ur plain ignorance to what is right in front of u kills me!

i would go as far as to say that this blog could run u, this blog is not just a blog, i see this blog far worse than any porn site, this blog is a manifestation of evil! if u really want a future past ur life try rethinking ur view on life! ur views are so wrong! and to think that ppl are reading this and ur corrupting them…

matt

Comment by Matthew | April 28, 2008
Rozain wrote: “It is very clear that those who receive of the gift are not receiving something fake.”

That’s true…but who is giving the gift? …That’s the problem. Remember, Satan and evil spirits/demons/fallen angels can do miracles, too. They can do ’signs and wonders.’ Satan can turn himself into an angel of light. These same contrary beings can communicate with us and manifest in many ways. So, no, it may not actually be ‘fake’ for they can cause very real damage — spiritually, physically and in other ways. We are to make sure we are aligning ourselves with the One True GOD and His Son Jesus Christ and not some false ‘force’ or spirit of deception.

Listen, folks, GOD doesn’t go half-way. HE doesn’t speak half-truths. HE IS PERFECT in absolutely every way. Don’t make excuses for and try to look pass the ‘faults’ of those ministering to you…if you are not sure or have any doubts, turn to the LORD and HE will direct you in absolutely every and any way.

This man Todd B. apparently does have a gift of ministering…how else could he convince so many to give up their money, their faith and possibly even their minds.

Don’t forget, there are only two roads…one broad and one narrow. If the Lord Jesus Christ is keeper of the narrow one, who do you suppose is mindful of the broad way? If the ‘gospel’ does not point to GOD, but to yourself or some other man/woman…then it cannot be of GOD.

And GOD gave us a very important guideline for every facet of our lives, physical and spiritual. It’s called the Holy Bible, and with it you can test all things. And it’s free to acquire.

Personally, I find it quite likely that folks like this Todd B. character are under the guidance of the same forces as those that are operating the new age false prophets/teachers. Please read Warren Smith’s “Reimagining Jesus Christ,” as the information found in it explains what Satan has been up to and how he plans to fully reveal himself to the world. It’s free online or for download, and I have posted some of the introduction here: http://lavrai.com/blogs/2008/04/27/must-read-reinventing-jesus-christ/

Don’t sleep, church. Please stay awake.

Read your Holy Bible, keep watch and pray.

Comment by lavrai | April 28, 2008
Ouch… what happened to judge not lest you be judged. What was Jesus thinking when he spit in the mud and put it in the eyes of a blind man. Was he doing it for show? No he was doing what he saw his father doing. He was in tune with the spirit of God. How can we judge… if it doesn’t click with your spirit don’t involve yourselves with it but you canot get on a soap box and say it is of satan. All judgement was poured out on Jesus at calvary. There will be a time for judgement but its not today and you are not the judge. Discern in love if you must but do not slander his name on the internet. As far as mature prophets I’m not sure where you get your info. Read Daniel… after visions he would wake up scared out of his mind soaked in sweat. Paul speaks of division in the church all the time. We must come together as the body of christ, not spend all of our energy tearing people down. Discern in love. You are a leader of your household and anyone else you lead but you are not incharge of todd bentley. Doesn’t God know what he is doing or not doing in florida. You don’t even have evidence that it is against the bible. Can you call a man unbiblical because you feel he has pride. Is that all… his so called pride. How can you know it is pride. You have made yourself judge… has todd bentley judged churches that don’t operate as he does. Where is the pride brother. There will always be neysayers of a move of God. We are blinded by our box of religion just as the pharisees were. You may be right and I do not know but take it easy on the accusations. God is in control and I do not believe todd has ever said that jesus was not the son of god. Unless you have biblical evidence that he is false you can only trust your own discernment. God will pull out the tares at the appropiate time but until the tares mature we cannot tell if they are wheat or not they are very alike. If you pull out something you feel is a tare you pull up good wheat with it causing confusion and division in the body of christ

Comment by Joel Sanders | April 28, 2008
I implore that each of you conversing on this blog be careful of what you say and do concerning Todd Bentley or any other minister or ministry. Over the years I have seen ministers and minstries fall as they ridiculed other people of faith. If this move/ministry is from God, He,not man will put it to flight. It will not be destroyed by our conversing about it endlessly on this blog.

Comment by laney | April 28, 2008
Most of you are pathetic!
Some of you are so insecure you have to bad-mouth an evangelist that has done more in ten years than you could do in 1000. NO wonder you all enjoy this website. It is simply another example of ignorance reproducing itself. I’ll conclude by saying that even the pharisees reasoned that there was no cause to fear another’s ministry, “For if it is of man it will come to nothing, but if it be of God, we just might find ourselves fighting against him!

Comment by Paul | April 28, 2008
I am overwhelmed by the announcement of the Great Move of God. I am Crying for the same Move here in Raleigh, North Carolina. I have been pleading with God for such a Move to see the Kingdom of God Manifeasted in Power, and in Glory,
The true Season of Apostle and Prophetic Reign, Is Now. Please, Men and Women of God, Pray and Declare a Kingdom movve of God, for This Season Now, in Raleigh.
Iam in need of An Urgent Supernatural Breakthrough in
Every Area of my Life. I knoiw that God is Faithful in what He has Promised. He yet Heals, He yet Deliveres, He
yet breaks Financial Bondages, He yet Manifeast Supernatural Power, He yet Unviels Supernatural Mysteries,
and More than Anything, To the Uttermost, He Yet Saves. Please Pray Mightily for The Ark of Safety Christian Fellowship Church, in Raleigh, North Carolina, Now Please

God’Will is Our True Prayer,

Apostle Arthur Smith

Comment by Apostle Arthur Smith | April 29, 2008
I saw Todd tonight live at the Lakeland center. I mainly went out of sheer curiosity to see what this guy was all about. The basic conclusion I came to was exactly the same as this article. This guy is seriously a fraud and doing nothing more than spreading false hope and wasting peoples time. He speaks nothing of the gospel or Jesus, mostly just about himself and other men. I’m not sure how accurate it is but according to wikipedia Todd spent 18 months in prison for involvement on a sexual abuse ring and was also a heavy drug dealer as well. This guy is nothing but bad news.

Comment by cody | April 29, 2008
Okay first off I have been going the past five nights to the revival, and I think it’s safe to say that watching something on TV and being there first hand are two completely different things. I have been sensitive to the spirit since I was very young and I am telling you that God has been at this event every night and is doing great works in me. And as for Todd, I have seen no pride in this man whatsoever, just tonight he had Steve Hill pray over him and he had to get on his knees because, “I just know I’m gonna get knocked out in His glory!”, “This is not about Todd Bentley, this is about the glory of God and his Majesty.” That does not sound like a prideful man. As for the “Staged Healings”, that is not true at all, before you accuse someone of being “fake”, take a look in the mirror, I think you’ll find that your not perfect either.

Quote “The few times I heard the name Jesus pass his lips it was said rather strangely.” Laugh…okay first off let me say when someone is from another country they tend to sound differently than we do. Todd is Canadian and he probably says Jesus differnt than you do.

Listen you are doing more harm than good spreading all this negativity about fellow believers that you may not agree with on certain issues. Any man that causes people to look toward God in his Majesty, regardless of his intentions whatever they may be, is doing more for the Kingdom of God, than you are spreading the word of False Teachings and Fake Todd Bentley and all this garbage of negative seed. With all the controversy in the Church it’s no wonder people look at us and say “I don’t want that!”

Comment by Doc | April 29, 2008
Rozain:

I could not care less whether Todd Bentley is ‘uncouth’ or not – I only care about that he is unbiblical and leading many people astray.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 29, 2008
Michelle

God is pouring out HIS spirit in FL! If you don’t believe that’s fine but to say whether God is in something or not is pretty big. Just because you don’t feel it or believe does not mean God is not in it! Please don’t put a damper on God’s spirit..

This is no primarily to do whether I do or do not FEEL or believe it. It is based on a scriptural assessment of him and his ministry which is somewhat different (and also direct revelatation) – and yes, if you do test and weight someone scripturally you can say with great assurance God is not in it, if scripture shows what he is doing is false and or demonic.

>>Please don’t put a damper on God’s spirit..

What about please obey and please God, and test and weigh the spirits and refute false teachers.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 29, 2008
Matthew:

>>and ur comment on toronto being satan insired it total made up junk

Actually it was given to me by God in the Spirit in 1994, the first time I ever saw/experienced the Toronto Blessing. I saw in a vision, very clearly Satan standing there (eg being behind it) and laughing. (I also had had a dream about a year beforehand about a strange foreign (eg not of God) movement coming as an army marching into the church with odd banners waving over them and wearing odd colours, and taking over and polluting the church’s good bits, its soundness, with this strangeness and foreignness).

It is not made up, and it is not junk either – unless you claim other words God speaks are junk too (which you effectively do if you ignore the Bible’s warnings about this movement). To my shame, as I did not understand how the vision I saw could possibly be true at the time as the leaders of the TB were so well respected in my church circles, I ignored the vision at the time and embraced the movement wholeheartedly….but I vividly remember it and it was proven to be true.

Test and weigh Mathew. You’re only young, Mathew, and this thing looks and feels incredible – but listen to God more than men because this ain’t biblical and ain’t godly and leads far astray.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 29, 2008
Matt

>>I was actually pretty disappointed about the whole fat and bald comment. Make sure you watch out for bears…

Hey, you missed the point completely. I did not say what I did to poke fun, to mock or be personal or rude like the youths did to Elijah (as you refer to). I really do not care what Todd looks like, or if he carries a bit of weight, nor do I judge him on it (although his whole look – the tattoos, peircings, heavy metal tshirts etc has been done for the wrong reasons and is false and staged like some of his other stuff).

I said it because Todd Bentley says the fat and the bald are healed by this anointing and he is fat and balding – and his mentor, Bob Jones is very much overweight (and also has kidney problems) and there are some other close names associated in the NAR movement who have had serious health issues too. I was pointing out the paradox, can you not see this?

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 29, 2008
have u read acts? there was a movement exactly likes thjis in the bible and if u say that the bible warns against this then u have issues.

and i dont believe ur vision was 100% God inspired and i can promise you that more good than evil has come from this.

Comment by Matthew | April 29, 2008
Dear Matthew

I am from South Africa as well, and what is written on this blog is the truth.

You can’t just accept everything that ‘appears’ to be from God and call it ‘of God’ because some pastor says so and now you must just accept it as being ok – without testing it against scripture.

You need to STUDY the bible and discern as to what is of God and what is NOT of God. There are hundreds of verses in the bible where the apostles and Jesus himself mentions the ‘false people’ who will come and deceive you with ’signs and wonders’ but Jesus says, ‘I don’t know them’. And if Jesus doesn’t want to know them, how much more so should you put on your running shoes and run a mile so that you do not land up in the same position as the false people because you believed them and they led you astray.

God Bless and I pray the Holy Spirit reveals the truth to you.

Comment by Deborah | April 29, 2008
Todd does things a bit differently, yes. But I have seen him in person twice now, once during the Florida Outpouring and once before, and I do watch the Outpouring every night. I know what I felt there, I know what I came away with and I know that it is the Holy Spirit who gives us the desire for Christ. God is doing a great work all over and I praise the Lord for it! I also thank God that Todd Bentley is so willing to obey Him. I will admit that some of what I’ve seen seems over dramatic, but then, maybe not since I am now feeling the Spirit more and more. I know that It manifests differently in each person and not everyone has the same reaction. Todd also does NOT claim to be the one behind the healings and miracles. He has said time and time again that it is not him, but God and that he makes no claims, simply prays. If Todd were fake, don’t you think it would be more about the money? He lives a simple lifestyle and not flamboyant. He is a man of God who is eager to spread the word of God.
I would just encourage each person who reads this to pray for discernment. In the end, it doesn’t matter what you or I think, but what God says, so go to Him.

Comment by April | April 29, 2008
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE…. Are you people forgetting that JESUS said that if we are TRULY His disciples we will LOVE one another? I agree that if Todd in is heart is not right with God, then GOD will judge him; it is NOT our job! Some things seemed questionable with Todd, however when I was there I felt touched by God myself…If something someone SAYS is wrong, then in love point it out, but judging someone’s attitudes is impossible. We don’t know anyone’s heart or motives really, only GOD does. All this arguing and this website endtimesprophet is just taking your focus on LOVE and off JESUS. Don’t let yourself be decieved by the devil into loosing your focus by focusing on others.<

Comment by judy | April 29, 2008
I meant to say- All this arguing and this website e.t.p. are just taking your focus off LOVE and off JESUS.

Comment by judy | April 29, 2008
Looks like you hit a nerve with talking about Todd, and I’m not surprised, I absolutely loved this guy and his far out spiritual teachings till about a year ago. My eyes began to open when I learned of some of the truth about Bob Jones and some of Todds circle of close friends and how Todd completely had faith in these guys.

Then my wife began to be worried because she had a few words for our pastor regarding our church and the direction the Lord wanted or intended us to go. They didn’t agree with her and we found out they based all of their head knowledge on lessons from prophetic books that mainly came out of IHOP!

Those two things combined led me to start searching the scriptures (imagine that!) which I had not done until that point. I was taking everything at face value from the mouths of people I was just automatically trusting.

Like a flood gate being opened is all I can say to describe the moment I made the connection with the end times and the spirit of the antichrist. My wife said she felt as though she was butting up against a very large and imposing invisible wall of untruth that no one else in leadership could see. The problem with this wall is that people actually like it cause it only lets ear tickling prophecy and teaching through.

I think I have read about 98% of this site and I can say that everything you have written is grace and truth. I have found that it is hard for people to swallow both grace and truth because they aren’t used to that combo. We are usually fed either grace and lies or truth and religion. So thank you endtimes, keep up the good work, and God bless you.

Comment by Jeremy Huser | April 30, 2008
Forgive me for the length; it came to be a lot longer than I originally thought. But I thought it would be necessary to try to cover all the bases as well as I could to support my comment.

There are many things that I could say in response to your comments. However, even though I will respond to them, someone may easily dismiss them. I believe that’s why Paul stresses in 1 Corinthians 2:4-5 and 4:19-20 the use of power not words. (This is the main reason I write). I want to challenge all who read this blog and the author to go and test the power yourself.

And I write this caution first before I babble on about other objections: I cannot go and test the genuineness of the author’s faith or integrity by reading his words. The Christian walk has always been a demonstration of God rather than a argumentative or persuasive talk. People don’t need to just know (head knowledge) that Jesus is Lord, because even the demons know that–they are still bound for hell. No, we need to GONOSKO Jesus (experiential). And I can say all I want and so can you–but if it is real, you can see it manifest.

Oh, and please JUDGE as you would want to be judged, with mercy and love, recognizing that your not the Judge, Jesus is. For he is the only one who would be able to withstand the power and substance of judgment, and destruction it brings. He did it on the Cross.

(Small testimony: I used to be very judging of others; all it did was make my life miserable. Only when I learned to forgive others, even if they hurt me or even attempt to take my life, do I find peace, love, joy, patience, kindness, gentleness, goodness, faithfulness and self control in my life. I am talking about substance here, not just ideas of thinking)

Having wrote that: I know that the person who wrote this blog is very intellectual (God has gifted him in that way). It is very evident–I want you to know that author. You have a very brilliant mind. But I want to caution you that you do not allow knowledge to destroy you. 1 Corinthians 8:1 says that knowledge can make you prideful, not humble like Jesus. {just a small idea: i think how Jesus only did what he saw the Father do, and how he emptied himself becoming a man is a very good way to live in respect to everything in life, don’t you}

I realize that you will probably use my words against me very easily and very persuasively in order to dismiss my comments because I don’t believe I am as able to articulate myself as this person does. We see in politics that everyone uses what the other said, against them–not because we have their best interest in mind or because they are trying to honestly discover what’s true, but because we want what we have to say to “win” and proclaim it as “The Truth.”

I hope that this author is not; but because I have never met in person, I cannot say for sure.

However, God’s wisdom still outdoes man’s. That’s why the Bible is filled with stories of how the one who has no training or who is the one whom no one thought could persuade the masses ends up bringing God victory–in order to reveal his power! So while he/she is smarter than I, that doesn’t mean that I am wrong. In fact, that’s why I have decided to write something rather than not, in hope that those who read this have ears to hear and eyes to see and hearts to understand.

Maybe I am wrong, but maybe I am right–and maybe the Spirit will enlighten you to the truth. However, I think we can all agree we are trying to figure out what is true and discuss it here in this blog.

Therefore, I pray and hope that everyone that reads these comments on this blog will go for themselves and test the meetings power. If it is truly a move of God, would you really want to miss out on it? Would you really want to tell all those people that its not God and then find out it is? Wouldn’t that make you a false prophet? What terrible judgment would you face if you were wrong?

I don’t say that as a curse. I know that men sin because they are in bondage to it through the fall. I also know that when you are made right through Christ; it was not through our power but through God’s so no one could take away your right to son ship.

I know no one will dispute that; but something you might is: that Christians who continue to sin do so not because they are evil but because they are still in bondage or attacked by the enemy. That’s why God can still love us more than Jesus, and want to send Jesus to save us. Because we need to be free from our own actions. Our actions have given the enemy power over us. But God doesn’t only want us to be free spiritually but also free mentally, physically, and emotionally. That’s what the revival is about: healing.

Before I move on to discussing Todd Bentley, I want to urge the author that the Mormons also believe that their leaders had visions and saw angels. You can’t use the vision alone; allow God to confirm it in scripture.

And author: please read the book (the bible) there are some discrepancies I have found–(1) 1 John mentions an anointing but doesn’t say its the “only one.” (2) The Bible is filled with stories about the supernatural, in both testaments. In the church of Acts, we see many, many supernatural things taking place. (if this is a model for the church, then those things should also take place)

The drunkeness is there too–see acts 2 when the spirit falls on people. “they are not drunk as you suppose.” Soaking in his presence and marination is there too: be baptized means to be submerged fully or dipped repeatedly. it comes from the greek word baptizmo witch is how you make pickles out of cucumbers. You let it marinate until it is totally transformed into something else.

Now, as for the debate dealing directly with Todd Bentley: you can dismiss the person Todd Bentley; but don’t dismiss the power if its true! You will always be able to find fault with a person–we have all fallen short and still do. But look at the fruit. Massive healings, salvations, and now the media like CNN is looking into it. People are are starting to look to God for their miracle rather than doctors who demand payment. And Todd can be a vessel.

For clarification: Todd has his whole upper-body covered in tattoos. Its a mixture of words, symbols and pictures that explain and share the gospel. His body is like a track–like those ones that evangelists would give out to share the gospel; except his is on his body. And doesn’t the bible say don’t have tattoos in the old testament? Its good to reference–its got lots of principles that testify and reveal who God is–but I hope you don’t live by it. For if you live under law then you are subject to it but if you live by grace and the new covenant of Christ, you are no longer bound to that law. Read Galations, its all about that. In fact, if you live by the old law, Christ cannot help you or has nothing to offer you or is worth nothing to you considering he came to fulfill the law because we couldn’t.

I also want to briefly mention that so many forefathers in the faith have been remembered for what other’s said about them. (John Wesley, John Knox, A.A. Allen, etc.) Even Jesus is remembered differently by different people all over the earth. WE can argue about what he said or believes all we want and come up with different ideas, but lets look at what he did, which is actually harder to dispute. You can believe it or not, that will never change. But where words can be twisted and misunderstood, actions are harder.

For example: I have always heard people talk about John Wesley by referencing his theology. Even though there accounts of him walking through people, performing miracles, preaching, moving in the supernatural…

Now the supernatural can be of the devil or of God, you can’t decide from just looking at what happened. So let me clarify because I just said we need to look at their actions above. WE need to test their demonstration (what they did) but we cannot use that alone to evaluate if this move of God is truly of God. We must test the source of the power.

For example: Did you also know that right after the protestant reformation, there was a Catholic reformation. They did away with a lot of the garbage that protestants find fault with; not all but some. During that time there were certain individuals who moved in the supernatural (brother Lawrence, to name one). There was also one known as ‘Gaping Thomas’ because he would go into spiritual ecstasy and visions with his mouth open. They would burn him to see if he would respond but he didn’t. he also was known for being able to levitate. There are accounts of him levitating as high as a two-story building.

Another illustration is the example of counterfeit. How many of you know that no one would ever make a 3 or 4 dollar bill? Why? because there are no real ones made by the government. If you want to fool someone you don’t make something they would be able to recognize–you made something like the original. Satan still wants to rule: he tries to masquerade as an angel of light! Levitating is not of the devil–its power, but what is the source of the power? If it is credited to God then it is good, if it is not it is bad.

Now there is the issue of testing Todd’s character–a false or true prophet. Whom is Todd promoting? Is it not the Spirit of God and Jesus? Does not Todd tell everyone that Jesus can heal them? Todd even said this past weekend that God heals and does miracles mainly because he loves them. Sure miracles will lead many to salvation, but he is a good God and wants to give good gifts. Not just spiritually but physically.

………….

Okay, I have spent too much time writing. And it is getting late so I should probably just stop babbling. Most people would have stopped reading after the first bit, which is why I made my point early.

I am a charismatic, and I will move in the supernatural and will bring revival to the world. Let God be my judge.

For if this is truly a move of the Lord, it will be the first one to be live for everyone to view from far off. Thank Jesus that if it is a move of God, the spirit’s power (anointing) will come and we will see great signs that will be very great and not easily dismissed as being “fake.” And if it is a move of God it will reach levels that will even cause the media to have no answer or explaination, because God loves taking people from glory to glory, expanding his kingdom. What a remarkable time to be alive, to see the prophecies of the great book fulfilled in our day!

Past revivals were remarkable and outstanding–but there were only a few people who carried the mantles and the power (John Wesley, John Knox, A. A. Allen, etc.). But Todd is preaching that everyone walk the power of God–declaring that this move is the nameless and faceless revival that will overtake the world; the last move of the church before the return of Christ; the great harvest before the end times. Not everyone may do what is being said, but Todd then may only be doing and saying as God would have him. Or to the measure his faith would have him.

Comment by Nathaniel | April 30, 2008
I am deeply chocked by most criticism towards Todd, it shows two things about those who oppose this move of the Spirit:

1) Total lack of of discernment.
2) An awful condemning spirit of those who do this. Who are you as a ‘christian’, what are your contributions to the Kingdom of God besides criticizing those who are actually being used by God?

For your own sake: please start listening and studying to the teachings of Todd in his podcasts, because if you do not have a change of heart you are out of favor of the Lord, again please listen to:

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=212986432

Matthew24

Comment by Matthew24 | April 30, 2008
While I watched Todd on GOD TV, I had a real problem with his constant exclaiming “Oh my gosh!”. It’s like taking the Lord’s Name in vain, and it bothered me. Also, he said something like “I COMMAND the power of God to…” do something. How can he command God???? Also, he asked one person what happened or what was going on or something like that, and the person replied “You healed me.” and Todd didn’t argue with that assessment. He didn’t tell the person that it wasn’t him, Todd, that did the healing. So, I don’t know.

Comment by Vicki | April 30, 2008
I do not understand why everyone is running to Fl to see this man. You can be healed by God without running to see a man who seems to have cleverly fooled all these people. It is terrible to see him feed on the sick and injured the way he does. I have watched him every night and I do not get a good feeling from him. I think it is sad that people today do not research and read up on these people they put so much faith in. I read the other day that he sexually molested a 7 year old when he was 14. I know God forgives but I do not believe this is a true Godly man and I would not want my child to be around him.

Comment by Elizabeth | April 30, 2008
Stiring up controversy and heresy is right up Satans alley. Keep it up, you are pleasing Satan to no end with your judgement of the movement of the Holy Spirit, and your creating of division with Gods people. We all sin and come short of the glory of God, even you. But thanks be to God for someone who has the guts to go out and preach the word and declare healing to God’s children as Todd has. As Jesus said, Oh you of little faith. If you only had the faith as a tiny mustard seed, you could move mountains. Todd Bentley is human, he will err, but he has faith and has, by the grace of God, been given the gift to spread the annointing of the Holy Spirit to many across the world. God bless him for that. The joy of the Lord is our strength, so laugh, its ok. The peace of the Lord passes all understanding. The Lords Peace and joy to you. Sharron

Comment by Sharron | April 30, 2008
I watched the so called ‘revival’ meetings in Florida on God tv here in Ireland, and throughout felt an unease about the whole ’show’. Your post expresses my reservations exactly and Todds preoccupation with Todd shines through over all the ‘healings’ and ‘manifestations’. My understanding of Holy Ghost revival is very different to this tv entertainment! From the Welsh revival of many years ago the pre-emminent characteristic of the Move was a conviction of sin and an ushering of thousands of sinners into gods Kingdom. The gospel was faithfully preached and believed with gladness by the multitudes as well as signs and wonders accompanying it. In Bentleys version of ‘revival’ the Word is barely uttered (never mind preached!)and the whole emphassis is twofold…on Todd Bentley himself and the various manifestations of the so called ‘annointing’.Thanks again for speaking out so clearly and truly on this charade.

Comment by Gerard O'Shea | April 30, 2008
I think that Todd Bentley’s tatoos and appearance has a purpose in God and it is surely not to reach you stiff-necked Christians. I think you Guys should read the Bible again and try to get the essence of Jesus Love. For those who say that the devil is the one doing the healing. Give me a break I had never seen the devil glorifying Jesus so much. Anyway didn’t the Pharisees say the same about Jesus too. You should read John 10:20
“Many of them were saying, “He has a demon and is insane. Why do you listen to Him?”
Others were saying, “These are not the sayings of one demon-possessed. A demon cannot open the eyes of the blind, can he?””

What should happen for you to believe that this is from God. I think I know, no shouting, no laughing, no healing, no tears, no new song, no young leaders, and of course no tatoos.

You know I love King David when he said to Michal “and yet I will be more vile than that thus”
2 samuel 2:20

WHAT ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF!!! THAT GOD CAN CHANGE YOUR LIFE.

MAY GOD IGNITED US ALL. AMEN

Comment by Esther | May 1, 2008
so i was looking to read about this outpouring deal and what was going on. after reading the very first part of what you wrote i didn’t need to go any further.

get over yourself dude.

and stop discounting everything you see just because you don’t understand or it isn’t presenting itself in a way your human brain thinks is presentable or to be expected.

let God out of your box and realize that it’s not always about the person doing the ministry so take your eyes off him and truly ask the Lord what he wants you to take from this. don’t pollute others by badmouthing someone that’s seeking after God.

God doesn’t just touch people when they need healing. maybe he just wants to love them. don’t try to stop that.

Comment by ashley | May 1, 2008
I’m not sure what the deal is with some of you guys. Are you really worried that people are being decieved or are you against any move of god you did not have a part in. I just feel that this is very unhealthy and judgemental. It sounds a lot like the religious of jesus day accusing him of doing signs and wonders through evil. Tatoos? Fat.. bald? And then you bring Bob Jones into it. He is a very accurate, tested and proved prophet. I hope for your sake that your “discernment” and accusations of the toronto have at least a shred of truth to them. You are playing with fire by pointing such a heavy finger. I cannot believe that you are as sure as you say you are. How can you judge a prophet so strictly then turn around and expect us to believe that you saw satan in toronto. Its like you don’t understand the love of god. “Why would they go back for more annointing after they already been healed”. Is that even a valid question. Maybe the healing goes beyond just physical. The sign of healing points to a greater work. Maybe their soul and their past hurts and sin perspectives are being healed. Jesus said your sins are forgiven you now walk. The signs and the wonders are pointing to god and his glory and mercy and grace. I applaud you for your heart to see people not be decieved but we must not accuse or judge. Everything must be done in love.

Comment by Joel Sanders | May 1, 2008
Oh my goodness! I am utterly disgusted with my fellow christians. I sound angry and it is indeed a righteous anger. How dare you judge like this. You legalists remind me of people i call the pharisees. They said that Jesus healed by devils. They judges Jesus by his actions. He went into sinner’s houses. He SPAT, on a guy’s eyes that were filled with mud!!!. If I were watching jesus in that day, I would say that he was a fraud because nobody would do something like spitting on the eyes. If Todd spat on a blind person’s eyes tonight, you would go nuts! I hope that your attitude changes in the name of Jesus. Jesus did many unorthodox things, like Todd. Now I know why the church is like it is. I shall pray for my generation.

Comment by Michael | May 1, 2008
and by the way, ive heard him mention the name of Jesus dozens and dozens of time! he says things like “Thank you Jesus” and “praise Jesus”. i am very saddened by some of you.

Comment by Michael | May 1, 2008
Thanks for creating this blog on the revival going on in Lakeland (the place I call home!) . Over the years I have been reading about many of the false revivals in the 1990’s. I am always amazed of the folks that i know who believed the Toronto Vineyard revival and the one in Pensacola. I know a few people who are beliving in this one too. I even see people that I thought were pretty good spiritual discerners, that are following this. I’m only guessing but I see this one going on for a long time, decieving many. I know God is sovereign and I pray that even though this is a false revival, that many would come to know Jesus in spite of what is going on at Ignited Church. I pray that our church does not come unraveled due to this.
Thank You,
Joe S.

Comment by Joe | May 1, 2008
dear pastor todd,
thank you very much for showing us the power and love of god who surrendered to him. iam from bangalore ( india ).
but i cannot reach you since there is no blessings of god in my life.
plz pray for me at the age of 32 iam jobless b’cause of my sins. plz pray for me to be blessed by a job of design engg.and heal me since i dont have hairs on my head i daily see your revival and healing prayer.plz remember m request in the stadium. pray for me to receive the holy spirit when i touch the screen of tv at home iam watching daily and me healed as others send the blessings plz todd

Comment by thomas wilson | May 1, 2008
pray for me this ten days and iam sure that before this ends i will feel the presence of christ

Comment by thomas wilson | May 1, 2008
How sad this all is. It’s very easy to sit on the sidelines writing criticisms of other people and attacking their integrity. Have you ever considered those of us who tried to find Jesus in systems that were so religious and dead, and who gave up on them? At least this guy makes Jesus relevant. I can’t imagine that Jesus spent all his time tearing apart those who were doing their best for him.

Comment by Bert Robinson | May 1, 2008
Paul says in post #30:

I’ll conclude by saying that even the pharisees reasoned that there was no cause to fear another’s ministry, “For if it is of man it will come to nothing, but if it be of God, we just might find ourselves fighting against him!

My response is:

I believe in the inerrancy and verbal inspiration of the Holy Bible. The writers inspired by God wrote exactly what He wanted preserved for the church to learn from. That being said, that doesn’t mean that when Luke quotes what someone said, that that speech was inspired by God. It just means that God told the writer to include that in the scriptural record.

If we assume that, just because Gamaliel’s words are recorded in Acts, that we are to take them as advice from God, then by the same logic, when the crowd, upon hearing Herod’s discourse, cried out, “The voice of a god and not of a man!”, we should take that as divinely inspired words as well, which they obviously weren’t, because when Herod accepted that glory from the crowds, and didn’t give it to God, the Lord struck him dead.

Keep in mind the context in Acts 5:17-40. The party in control of the Sanhedrin, the highest religious governing body in Judaism, was the Sadducees. They did not believe in a soul that lives on after the body dies, and denied the possibility of resurrection. And here were the apostles doing miracles in the name of a rabbi whom they claimed HAD been raised from the dead.

Gamaliel was a member of the Pharisee party, which DID believe in an immortal soul and the resurrection. My take on this is that Gamaliel didn’t necessarily believe in Jesus or really seek to defend the apostles, but he saw that the opposing party, the Sadducees, were attacking someone who believed in a resurrection, which he also believed in. So Gamaliel and the apostles had one shared belief, and a common enemy, so he came to their aid (the enemy of my enemy is my friend). A little first century Jewish politics, if you will.

If we were to take Gamaliel’s statement, “Leave these men alone! Let them go! For if their purpose or activity is of human origin, it will fail. But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop these men; you will only find yourselves fighting against God.” to be inspired by God rather than just a God-directed recording of a historical fact, then we should leave the Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses alone, because after a more than a century they haven’t been brought down by God. Yes, they will eventually be brought down, but in the meantime, it is our duty to warn other not to follow their false doctrines.

If we see someone headed off a cliff and do nothing to try to stop them, then we are in part guilty of their death. The same applies to seeing someone heading off a spiritual cliff; if we do not warn them, God will call us to account for it at the final judgement.

Comment by Brian | May 1, 2008
Matthew24:

>>I am deeply chocked by most criticism towards Todd because if you do not have a change of heart you are out of favor of the Lord

Would you say this about all false teachers/prophets someone speaks up about, or is it just for those who speak against Todd. And if so, why is it ok to speak against Joseph Smith or David Icke or Maitreya and not Todd Bentley.

Speaking about God’s favour, God rather likes obedience, it pleases Him rather – and his word says to test the spirits. Why don’t you?

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 1, 2008
Thomas Wilson:

Seek Jesus Christ and not Todd Bentley. Jesus Christ – if you repent of your sins – will meet you wherever you are at. You do not need to got to Florida to be blessed.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 1, 2008
Nathaneal:

This is not about the intellectual head knowledge vs the power of God (like you infer) – which are not incompataible anyway despite the claims of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) who insist Christians hang up their brains before carpet time. I believe in the true gifts, I believe in the power of God. It is about counterfeits and charlatans ministering in something other than the power of God and leading many astray that concerns me in Todd Bentley’s case.

Now the supernatural can be of the devil or of God, you can’t decide from just looking at what happened.

Atually, yes you can in many cases, and the Bible says you can. You can study what is being taught, and you can discern the spirit the minister operates in. There is also the works of the flesh to consider – not every experience is spiritual but can be emotional/psychological.

You mention various names in your ‘revival history’ but just because a Catholic saint allegedly levitated or had some amazing mystical experiences, does not mean they operated in the power of God, does it? Many religions have mystical supernatural experiences, shall we say they all are under the power of God too? The Bible would disagree. It is not so much the experience itself, but the word that has always been more important than the sign. The word and signs following is a potent combination. But signs with a counterfeit word ain’t God.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 1, 2008
Bert Robinson:

>>I can’t imagine that Jesus spent all his time tearing apart those who were doing their best for him.

What like the merchants in the temple, for example, and the pharisees who were doing their best too – all busy and ‘good’ religious people?

Don’t imagine Bert, actually READ what the Bible actually says instead and you will be far safer.

This is not all my time, and I am not ‘tearing’ anyone apart either, for the record, but I am laying bear the truth for those who care.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 1, 2008
Brian:

Re the words of Gamaliel so misapplied…

Amen, thanks for putting it so well.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 1, 2008
Michael:

I would not go nuts if Todd spat and put mud in anyone’s eyes, as long as he ministered in the correct spirit and taught and prophesied in the same as he did so.

I would love Todd to do something biblical and teach something biblical for once, and instead of faking it in the flesh and drawing attention to himself, or worse, minister in the real Holy Spirit leading to the real Jesus – far from going nuts as you proclaim, I would rejoice.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 1, 2008
My question is, where is the REPENTANCE happening in this “revival”? Isn’t a revival supposed to be about people repenting and receiving salvation, and turning to God because they realize their fallen nature? This movement preaches salvation without repentance. I was a part of this movement for years and recently left. When the time came to offer people salvation, the message of the cross was nowhere to be found, it was always “Jesus can be your friend”. Yes, Jesus can be our friend, but where is the emphasis on Jesus as savior? Jesus died on the cross for our sins, to take our punishment for us if we will only accept it from Him! And also there is another thing they are using, they say you have a “spirit of rebellion” if you don’t submit to their authority.

Comment by momma | May 1, 2008
Joel Sanders:

>>How can you judge a prophet so strictly then turn around and expect us to believe that you saw satan in toronto

By the Bible’s criteria we test, or don’t you believe that old thing any more? If someone contradicts the Bible I will call them a false prophet – won’t you do the same?

>>>And then you bring Bob Jones into it. He is a very accurate, tested and proved prophet

Have you actually read up on what Bob Jones has said and done in the past, or do you just take his or other people’s word for it that he is accurate? He may be a prophet but he is surely a prophet of hell and not of God, that frequently misses the mark.

Also it is quite right to point out that if someone says the anointing heals fat and bald people of thier fat and their baldness, and they and are their colleagues are still fat and bald, there is a problem somewhere with their testimony….or don’t you see the obvious and glaring contradiction?

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 1, 2008
Wow Mr. endtimespropheticwords. You seem to have it all figured out so how many have you ministered healing to? How many demons have you cast out in Jesus name? How many have you brought to God through Jesus blood? Mark 16 says theses signs and others follow those that believe. Does the American Church believe or isn’t the whole Bible truth?

Comment by Wishing I was in the outpouring | May 2, 2008
Todd Bentley uses the same staged tricks around the world. I am from Sabah, Malaysia and I have personally heard Todd Bentley said “I’ll perform more miracles!” It was never Jesus or the Holy Spirit. In private (and I was ‘priviledged’ to have served him refreshments so I witnessed it) he mocked the crowd out there, micmicing their cries and manisfestations. There are so many many more things about him that lead me and others to believe that this man is TOTALLY FALSE. If so, you ask, why does he command such big crowds? The answer is, most Christians are just following the leader, and the leader is this trend called revival. Even pastors and so-called men of God are falling for his tricks. I have informed my pastor but sadly he rebuked every observation I and some others have personally witnessed. That is the extend of our want to belief in man, not God.

One more thing. Todd has this trick on his team. He’d pass some foreign currency to a gullible worker in whichever country he’s preaching, and ask the guy to change it into US$ or whatever. The foreign currency would be in very small denomination (and in most 3rd world countries, their value so small that a thousand US$ equals to milions) so that it will take forever to count. He also capitalises on the Asian nice guy style of trusting and therefore not counting the $ when given, but just trusting that it is the amount these men of God say it is. At the $ changer, the worker will be told-Hallelujah!-that there’s monre $ than what he thought, so God worked a miracle! And then word will spread of Todd’s miracle and more will fall to his feet. Has anyone come across this trick by Toad and Team anywhere else??

Comment by sad christian | May 2, 2008
Everything that the author of this post wrote about reminds me of Todd’s antics when he was here. Where people were rolling on the floor, his staff were laughing and mocking at them. The whole show was staged, using the same style everywhere he goes: calling sick people up, declaring they are healed without authentication-why be afraid of that if the healing is real and from God?-, prohpesying about certain people sitting in certain rows (”There! Lady in the 8th row from the back! I knew it, I;m right!”) and when no one comes up his fearsome staff will go and escort someone from the back who’s not even sitting in the 8th row from the back, to the stage. Most people once on the stage meekly agree with him that they are healed. Many times, he took the words right out of their mouths, before they can even speak up.

Another trick he did was to ask the audience to whick out thier mobile and call their sick dying loved ones. They were asked to hold out the phones towards him as he pray for their healing! What threatrics!

I am also not against his uncouth fat tatooed body. But there’s a discernment in me that this man is evil. And he’s laughing all the way to his banks, he and his tatooed father who sports an eagle on his arm that has a claw that clutches a clawful of naked bodies and he said the eagle is Jesus. What blasphemY!

The end of true Christianity is not threat from Islam or other things. It is these false prophets and teachings that blind even the so-called highly spiritual and well-learned leaders and pastors of churches.

Is Todd Bentley’s ultimate goal your salvation? I can tell you that just like all the other great evangelists who have since fallen/been outed, that the bottom line is this:POWER and MONEY.

Comment by sad christian | May 2, 2008
Some of you people on this blog, look around at the world around you. People are living in fear for themselves and their loved ones because of what they see going on in the world. They feel pushed into a corner with no place to go and are hungry. I am talking of many Christians as well as non-Christians. They are fearful and burdened. What a perfect place for God to show up in a big way.

God wants to be worshipped for who He is. He wants to reveal Himself and pour out His Glory upon all flesh. Remember Moses and the children of Israel leaving Egypt. “Let my people go that they may worship me”. How sad that they chose not to worship but instead said Moses you go and tell us about it. 40 years stuck in the wilderness continuing their grumbling and complaining and ultimately dying there was the result. That was their fruit for not worshipping God when He desired it more than anything.

God is pouring out his Glory big time. Anyone read the book of Joel again lately? Read it!!

Nothing will turn the hearts of people to God more than being in His presence. The heart of the father is pleased and He is pouring out good gifts on His kids. People are getting saved, people are getting saved, people are getting saved…. YES!!

Jesus is glorified in the meetings, God the Father is glorified in the meetings, the Holy Spirit is glorified in the meetings. Jesus (and He only, not man) is being given all the praise for the healings. The body of Christ is coming together in unity and God is pouring out His spirit. It is all happening with an attitude of honor and love. We worship God but we honor and love our fellow man, people in authority etc. It is that atmosphere God chooses to move in.

I’ve watched on the internet, I’ve been there once, and I want to go back to soak in the presence of God. I did not see one thing that was unbiblical or prideful. I can tell God is pleased with what is going on and it will get bigger. God is large and in charge and Jesus is coming back!!! Get ready, get ready, get ready!!

Comment by Gabriele Sessions | May 2, 2008
Sad Christian:

You said:
One more thing. Todd has this trick on his team. He’d pass some foreign currency to a gullible worker in whichever country he’s preaching, and ask the guy to change it into US$ or whatever…

I’ve never done this before, but I feel compelled. You are a liar. Are you even a Christian? Anyone could fabricate this lie you came up with. I must be talking to a demon because Satan is the father of lies and I believe you are being used by him to shake people’s faith. I will pray for you, Sad Christian, if that’s your real name!

Comment by Adrian Frank | May 2, 2008
Adrian:

So people can lie and fabricate healings, prophecies and anointings (and pass your discernment radar because they are on your side), but someone cannot come forward and say the guy is a charlatan because they think they saw something bad happen?

You are right in one thing, Adrian – Satan is the father of lies. And Todd lies as do the prophets connected to him (Bob Jones et al). So what does that say about what his/their current behaviour and works belongs to? Darkness or the light?

If your faith is damaged by such a revelation, it is because it is placed in such mockers of God and abusers of the brethren as Todd Bentley, rather than in God Himself, and God Himself has not been honoured by you testing all things.

I do not see Sad Christian dissing God, I only see them dissing your idol, Adrian….which is another thing, unless, of course, you have bought into Latter Rain manchild heresy in which case Todd is ermm actually Jesus and perfect, or will be soon.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 2, 2008
Your assuming Todd is an idol in my life, and possibly other’s lives. How do you, or would you, know this? I didn’t go down there to worship Todd…and that’s another thing. So many have been saying on this blog that Todd is not giving glory to God when He clearly has said on many occasions that it is God using him. He is just as aware of the pitfall in trusting man as you and I are, and like you and I, he makes mistakes.

I’ve noticed he misspeaks a lot. He’s not a fancy orator, or an articulate theologian. Don’t mistake ONE thing you heard him say, like “I’ll perform more miracles” and assume that it wasn’t Jesus or the Holy Spirit. When what he has said many times is that it’s NOT Todd Bentley, it is God! I don’t think you are watching enough of his broadcasts and you’re either missing these things or ignoring them, consciously or sub-consciously.

Comment by Adrian Frank | May 2, 2008
Gabrielle, I have looked around. I see these so called revival movements fleecing and taking from the poor and those in need. Your post really angered me because are these “revivalists” in turn using their wealth to meet the needs of these people? How can the poor and in need afford an internet connection to watch, or a vehicle and gas money to get there, or money to pay for the cable connection to watch these services in order to get touched by God? How come those who believe in these revivals don’t think that God is big enough to touch people where they are at, without having to participate in these so called outpourings? You are actually limiting God’s ability to meet their needs to a location, and I highly doubt that the needs of the less fortunate are being taken care of through this.

Comment by momma | May 2, 2008
“I want to go back to soak in the presence of God”

You don’t have to go to a “special place” to soak in God’s presence. Every born-again believer can enter directly into the Holy of Holies because of the sacrifice of Jesus, our Passover Lamb. I’ve experienced the presence of God at my kitchen table during morning devotions, and driving down the highway singing praises to Him.

Spend time in the Word and in prayer, ask God to show up, and He will. You don’t have to make a trip somewhere else to find His presence.

Comment by Brian | May 2, 2008
Amen to that, Brian!

Comment by servant | May 2, 2008
Hey momma, why don’t you minister healing, salvation and deliverance to your neighbors and friends so they aren’t left out of the blessing. Maybe it isn’t God or Todd limiting this to one location. Maybe your part of the problem.

Comment by Love the out pour | May 2, 2008
Love the out pour

So, how do you know momma isn’t already doing that? Perhaps you’re a prophet?

Maybe I shouldn’t use sarcasm; but, I mean, how is it one is able to know what a particular commenter does or doesn’t do, yet be so undiscerning of others? Talk about a contradiction…

Comment by Lee | May 2, 2008
As another Elizabeth is now blogging here, I will call myself Elizabeth A. Just wanted to say how alarmed I am by some of the comments from the ‘pro Todd’ bloggers; it isn’t the fact that they defend him, since of course we all have an opinion (which may or may not be the Truth). It’s the vindictive way they defend their point of view, implying that those of us who dare to question/test this so-called revival are going to meet a terrible end or be cursed/doomed. I actually feel quite nauseated. And then in the same sentence, they dare to speak of love?!?

Comment by Elizabeth A | May 2, 2008
Elizabeth,
The threats they make…..a sure sign of the spirit behind this revival,huh. It’s almost like these people are bullies.

Comment by Mary B. | May 3, 2008
I skimmed through some of this…I have been to 2 meetings, not once have I been charged to attend, not sure why someone said they disagreed with the charging?? He shouted and declared the name of Jesus several times, not sure why another blogger said they hardly hear it…Im not new the the whole “slain in the Spirit”…so Im not going to argue the point, however, perfect or not, he is out there proclaiming the name of Jesus, taking a stand in faith in an otherwise doubtful and faithless world…what are you doing? It’s not for me to judge if Todd is false or not. What I do know is I don’t want to stand before Him and be asked why I casted doubt about one of His workers no more than I would want to be asked why I was not the one standing before thousands proclaiming His name. If not us, then who?

Keep your eyes on the creator, not His creation.
~Peace~

Comment by MLD | May 3, 2008
Adrian: did I upset you so much that you question my faith as a Christian, and even call me a demon? As someone who believes in Jesus and is concerned about the lies of all these false prophets, I honestly believe that I am defending my faith, my God unlike you, who are defending a man who is so obviously a charlatan. I can give you dates, time, and witnesses who saw Todd and his team behaving in ways that most believers would question. The man is so full of pride and mockery, it is hard to believe he is acting with the humbleness and love that a true man of God would. At no point did he pray in private, they didn’t even prayed before they ate (not that it’s a big deal, but there was no graciousness), they laughed about the very people they prayed for, they were more concerned about the offerings, they manipulated the crowds and told lies to fit their prophecies. I might as well tell you about another thing I saw.

A guy in a wheelchair was pushed towards Todd as he spoke to the audience. Todd commanded him to rise up and take steps, which he did. The crowd roared. I cried, but with frustrations and anger. Years ago, I witnessed the same thing done to the same guy at a different healing rally. As a new Christian, I was overjoyed to witness a healing and I truly believed a miracle had happened. But this time, with Todd, I was not only totally unbelieving, I was upset. The reason is this: crippled people like that man (his name is Joseph; check for this fact) are brought to these healing ministries by well-intentioned Christians. But in reality, Joseph can stand briefly, and he can take feeble steps. Right after Todd made Joseph rise and walk the two steps, the whole room was elated and wild with happiness at the miracle because they didn’t know waht I and some others know about Joseph’s conditions. And the saddest thing was, pastors and senior people who knew, went along. This is the extent of our trust in man. Todd then declared Joseph healed, then turned to the next person in line and Joseph sank back into his wheel chair and was pushed aside, out of the show.

I am not mocking God’s divine gift of healing. I am just telling you how fake these healing ministries are. How can Todd declare the guy healed yet he’s here today, still in his wheel chair. The whole thing just uplifts Todd’s healing powers (in the name of God) but at the expense of the sick and suffering like Joseph. Just because he’s crippled and doesn’t talk makes it even more heart breaking to see the way he is used.

1) If faith healers are so good, why don’t they allow medical verifications of these healings? Jesus held up truth, and not darkness and if these healings are real, do not be afraid to test them because if they are, then God is truly glorified!
2) How many healing miracles did Jesus perform? Todd outdoes Jesus in one single session!

Do not also think that those who call on God’s name and swear by it cannot be charlatans. Even the Devil knows that, and the Bible warns us that yet so many people like you refuse to see. Or maybe you are part of his team?

Thank you, endtimespropheticwords for having this blog where people like me can tell the truth, and for seeing that what I wrote came from inside (from real experience) with no malice against the truth but against the false and those who use God’s name for their own gain.

Comment by sad christian | May 3, 2008
p.s. Todd does not allow any video taking in his rallies. I now know why. Not just for copyrights reasons, but also to manipulate the videos that he allows the public to see. I realised this when I witnessed Joseph’s case. It is almost a mirror act of a video Todd’s team sent to the church ahead of his visit. In that video, an African man was also made to rise and walk. I bet Todd’s team used the video on Joseph and convinced some crowd somewhere around the wrold, far from where Joseph is known, that here’s another miracle he, Todd, has asked God to do.

Comment by sad christian | May 3, 2008
Those who pray, pray. Those who have gifts, Use them for the Glory of God. I will not sit here and take sides. Joshua looked at the angle of the Lord and “said äre you for me or my enemies?” He said “Neither”. What’s the problem, there isn’t enought sin in the church to complain about. There isn’t enought injustice in the world to pray about. So somebody fell over, someone else staggered, someone else only felt healed for a bit and then it came back. Do we look to man. Are His ways higher than ours. Do we build a golden calf cause we can’t see the power of God thru a man rather than just thru HIM! I think many things about this topic, but who gives a rip, and i’m not going to write them down. Really the only thing that matters is, His kingdom is without an end, and it’s coming here, to earth! And todd bently, or oral roberts or the pope or the dahly lama, really aren’t gonna mess up that plan so quit whining and stop reading my stupid blog that king solomon would ssay is all meaningless anyway.
so there
i think that He’s got it all under control!
be anxious for nothing, but in everything, with prayer and supplication, make your requests known to God………………………………………………………………………………………….

Comment by Gabe | May 3, 2008
Strong Delusion. Gotta love the truth and only the truth or you get strong delusion. Why do people believe Todd and all the other Elijah Listers? They don’t really want the truth, but this miracle stuff is cool, let’s follow these signs and stuff! Cause ANYTHING supernatural has to be from God right? I mean, satan can’t do this stuff, God wouldn’t allow it…right? I guess Jesus Himself didn’t make it clear enough when He said not to be decieved and followed it right up with wolves in sheeps clothing.

There is supernatural stuff going on all around Todd, so do we just leave it at that? Sadly the answer is yes, cause we aren’t exposed to the supernatural all the time and the first time we see it we think, It’s God!

Here is a little clue, Todd goes on and on about Branhams healing angel being with him and I described Branhams healing angel and the way he looked to my wife the other night. She was shocked because she said it was that same big native bodyguard type angel she saw standing next to Todd in a meeting we went to a couple years ago! But you know I think about that night and I remember how the room was like shifting and getting more 3d kinda and I could tell there was stuff going on. It was exciting! It was new!
Did I test anything? No, cause I forgot to, and no one I was with said anything or gave a warning. It was the opposite, all I heard were great stories about Todd and his Holy Ghost hand grenades and stuff like that.

Has anyone ever seen anything happen at a meeting that looks anything like the great stories you here? I never did, in fact I never so much as felt a tickle when these guys would pray and try and push you over. I always thought there was something wrong with me cause I never was slain in the spirit, but I thank God now that He protected me from receiving anything handed down from Branham or Toronto Blessing!

We are to be wise and cunning and search the scriptures not accepting any old spiritual thing with open arms. The only power satan has left is deception and he is gonna use it the best he can. He is gonna use deception to kill and steal and destroy us. Please be careful loved ones.

Comment by Jeremy Huser | May 3, 2008
I’m so grieved by this. I saw Todd several years ago…must be about 6 or so and he was not tatooed, he wore a suit. He didn’t have a set up as he does now where people line up to go onstage, but rather he seemed very humble yet…there was something amiss even then because it was all about the “healings” or the “manifestations.” Rarely if every was there anything about salvations – the only surefire way to true revival!

He has truly changed and if he is in with Bob Jone and the other former KC (false) Prophets then I know he is not a true prophet of God. If this is a true revival – where are the salvations?

For those who say “don’t judge” well, Todd has put himself in a very public role and is speaking as though he is a prophet of God – we better judge him. What fruit is coming from this? This is such an insidious disgusting thing the enemy is doing and Christians who are so eager for the quick fix or the next experience are falling for it. What happened to discernment and wisdom? Why are we so quick to run after the next big experience and so slow to truly seek the One True God, to study the Scriptures and to test the spirits.

God help us all if this continues because many who truly believe will be fooled so easily by the antichrist.

Comment by Robyn | May 3, 2008
I am going to say a few things here.

One: Only the Holy Spirit can draw so many hungry young people to one place to worship the Father and lift Him up and sing “Holy…Holy…Holy…” and “Glory…Glory…Glory…” all night to Him. Jesus said “…if I be lifted up I will draw all men unto me.”

Two: A few years ago, a prophetic word came forth from the heart of the Father to a well known prophet. In essence, He told the “stuck in a rut,” dried-up, holier than thou “Christians” (Followers of the Anointed One” ) to step aside and get ready for a mighty wave of the Holy Spirit with kids with technicolor hair…” I see it happening.

Three: Has Todd committed the impardonable sin by tatooing himself? So God can no longer use him? If God used a donkey, can He not use a man in spite of his tatoos? Thank God that He does not judge our skin our outward appearance, but the heart and mind, and He weighs the motives of the heart. How many evangelists, singers, pastors with no makeup, no beards or mustaches, short hair, white starched shirts with ties and suits are out there actively sinning right this very minute and faking an anointing? Some of those who have written negative comments about Todd Bently may be in adultery, use foul language, gossip, are in rebellion, and much more. Yes, Todd is young, he is 32. That is young for a man who has already been to 20% of the world taking Jesus to the nations. What have you done? Is it edifying to destroy a revival with murmuring, criticism, and judging, even if the evangelist is not of one’s approval? Isn’t God big enough to replace him if he is not the man for the hour??

Four: One does not have to like the style of a minister of the Gospel. We have a free will to choose whom we like to listen to. Todd has paid a price to receive fresh revelation from the heart of God, whether we believe he has fresh revelation or not. One does not shut himself in for days on end because he enjoys it. He is denying himself completely- to his greatest human need to eat, with the intention of getting more of God to give to the hungry in spirit, especially the youth.

Five: A word to the wise… Be very careful to whom you are attributing the manifestations, because to call satanic that which is of the Holy Spirit is called blasphemy.

Six: Have the fear of God. Use your energy in condemning what should be condemned…sin in our nation…abortion, sodomy, the ACLU, and any anti-God movement in the USA. By the way some have written, they could be dynamite in the hands of God! Share the Word of salvation on these blogs, and not in criticizing, condemning and judging ones who are doing the will of God, or are doing their best to interpret what they believe is His will. None of these things are of God! Read the Word! Obey the Word! God is the only judge. Judge not, lest ye be judged, for with the same measure that you judge, you shall be judged. By their fruits you shall know them. What are your fruits? How many people have you won to the Lord? How many sick have you prayed for today?

Comment by Christine | May 3, 2008
Hello Everyone:

Well without saying yea or nay to what is going on…God knows. I have been watching for 7 to 9 days EVERY night, contrary to some of you who watched only one or two nights, 3 to 4 hours and i have heard:
1. Todd raise up the name of Jesus Christ many times.
2. Say that Jesus Christ is the healer many times.
3. I have seen Todd call the entire group to repentence and salvation.
4. I have seen Todd lead the people into the prayer of repentence.
5. I have not heard one thing that is unscriptual.

6. I have seen Todd give God the Glory for everything.

7. I have seen a man who has a great love for Jesus Christ Our Lord.

8. I saw Todd once in person at a conference and during the entire conference, he would go off and pray for hours at a time. When he prayed for me, the power of the LORD JESUS CHRIST came upon me and healed me. How do I know it was Jesus. Because I asked Jesus to heal me.

9. I have seen innocent children receive their hearing for the first time in their life.

10. I have heard children say “Jesus came down from heaven and touched me and then he went back up. (without any kind of coaching, these children told their parents.)

11. The xray has been shown of the little girl who had a broken elbow and the x ray afterwards showing there wasnt any fracture present. She was healed.

So without saying yea or nay GOD IS DOING SOMETHING. The DEVIL WOULD NEVER “GLORIFY THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST” OR LIFT HIM UP AS THE SON OF GOD. HE HATES HIM.

Therefore I must conclude that this a mighty move of God because JESUS CHRIST IS BEING LIFTED UP.

amen.

Eleanore

Comment by Eleanore Dilello | May 3, 2008
Christine:

You are right that God looks more than skin deep BUT at the same time if someone does something wrong with their dress or other appearance it is right to pull them up on it. Oh, if it were only tattoos and piercings that were at issue here anyway!

We are commanded not to tattoo ourselves in scripture. If Todd had done these before conversion, fine, it is of no account – but to have only done it recently and to show them off is troubling, because of not only the disobedience to God and disregard for scripture, but his reasons for doing it. A lot of us see pretence, fakery and stagery in Bentley’s ministry, and this I see as the wider part of it….setting the stage.

God loves prostitutes, right? And many Christians have a great ministry to street girls. BUT if a minister dressed as a street corner tart with tiny leather miniskirt, boob tube with cleavage showing, high heeled kinky boots, lots of make up, ripped stockings showing off lots of flesh, it would be wrong. It is clearly unbiblical. It does not matter how much that minister would say they are trying to reach the lost, their excuse just would not wash and should be rebuked. In the same way with Bentley and his appearance. But like I said before his tats and piercings are the least of my worries.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 3, 2008
Eleanore

The DEVIL WOULD NEVER “GLORIFY THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST” OR LIFT HIM UP AS THE SON OF GOD. HE HATES HIM.

He would gladly lift up and glorify and lead to the name of another Jesus. And these men lead to another Jesus and another gospel, the Latter Rain one. Haven’t you read your bible on these points? Have you not realised how subtle spiritual seduction can be?

You are being very, very naive if you think Satan never mentions the name of Jesus or does not have twisted theology with him in it.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 3, 2008
I never said the devil would not say the name of the Jesus read again what i said…the devil will not glorify Jesus Christ as the son of God…he is toooooo jealous.

get your eyes off of man and put your eyes on Jesus.

eleanore

Comment by Eleanore Dilello | May 3, 2008
Todd acknowledges that Jesus Christ is the son of God.

1 John 4:1-3
1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

Comment by Eleanore Dilello | May 3, 2008
Eleanore Dilello:

Thanks for pointing that out about testing the spirits.

But it is not the minister’s lip service, it is the spirit that works in the minister that one tests in the context of this passage. Do you not think the super apostles that Paul contended with passed lip service to the above scripture? As did Montanus. But it was the spirits around him that were of so much concern the early church tried to exorcise him (but were not allowed to by Montanus supporters called by the church fathers ‘hypocrits’ )

Furthermore Latter Rain teaching is shown to be antichrist because it denies fundamentals of the faith including the traditional view of the return of Christ – do you know what Latter Rain teaches and what their glory is? – it is utter blasphemy and antichrist by scriptural definition. And Todd teaches it.

So will you test the spirits Eleanore?

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 3, 2008
Eleanore Dilello:

Read again what I said. You did not read it properly and/or you are too blinkered and naive just like the well meaning man who said some posts ago that occultic people are too afraid of the name of Jesus to use it. It is not just not true, it is cloud cuckoo land, it is naive and the stuff of legend and is not based on reality as some pagan spells and charms use the name of Jesus in a ‘positive’ way.

You have a very closed and blinkered and naive view of what deception is and is not.

I did not just say the devil would just say the name of Jesus but not glorify Him. Glory can be given to the Jesus of the Latter Rain quite happily as far as the devil is concerned as it is another Jesus and another gospel. Look at the Catholic gospel for example which is as antichrist as can be and is another gospel. Roman Catholicism is from the pit of hell and has led more astray and to hell than some obviously Satanic thing like Satanism ever did.

And what of the Colossians Heresy? See here http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/04/24/the-angelic-the-third-heaven-and-spiritual-warfare/ Jesus was still thought to be the son of God by many in this heresy, but there is no doubt the heresy was still deception from the pit of hell.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 3, 2008
get your eyes off of man and put your eyes on Jesus.

Touche. Will YOU practise what you preach? And I am talking the biblical Jesus and not another Jesus.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 3, 2008
why dont you go there and see for yourself…my spirit is witnessing to it..stop looking at Todd Bentley. People are getting healed in the church and Todd Bently is not present. Jesus Christ is getting the Glory and as i am not following Todd Bentley..but following Jesus Christ…He will give me discernment and wisdom as I study His word and I can rejoice over what THE LORD JESUS is doing. I followed another Jesus, i know what that is like. I am quite familiar with the Angel of Light but i am very close to Jesus my Lord now and His word so i know him better. The more I know of Him and have relationship with Him and study His word, the more i can tell what is not Him . amen and blessings,
Eleanore

Comment by Eleanore Dilello | May 3, 2008
Eleanore:

Why would I need to go for myself when I already know what is going on there? Before Todd was even saved and was still a teenager, I was seeing some of these things operated by his mentors (Bob Jones et al), and experiencing them. And even if I did not know yet what was going on, why would I have to GO there to discern the spirits – this is superstitious and heretical claptrap. I have eyes and ears too and do not ned to feel something to discern it, just as I do not need to walk into a Mormon temple to tell you it is antichrist.

You have just given yet another indication you are not being spiritual by following your emotions or flesh (or perhaps worse) by saying your ’spirit witnesses’ to something – well, only if your spirit is corrupt and under seductive spirit’s influences (quite possible) would it witness to something like that, which is why I am being kind and saying it was your flesh you heard, just like it is your flesh manifesting other things you understand to be spiritual and from God.

Do you think yourself immune to deception because you have been decieved in the past and this deception is not like it? Do you not think Satan is a lot cleverer than you give him credit for? How many another Jesus’s are there – not just one or two, but many.

I ask you again, do you know what Latter Rain teaches?

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 3, 2008
You jugde and lift yourselfes over Todd Bentley, instead of rejoycing over what God is doing in Jesus name. Jesus is lifted up and glorified. People get healed and delivered.
Know the scriptures and the power of God, then its not so easy to gugde what is happening in these meetings.
How people is dressed or slang talk or earring is less important. Do u know his relation to his tatoos? He probably want them deleted and get them made as unsaved.
I aggre it is important not to accept everything that is said by preachers but test it on the word and look at the person and movements fruit. Good fruits brings rightousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
And one last thing: Dont loose your sense of humor because God hasnt lost it and never will.

Comment by Terje Vikse | May 3, 2008
Eleanore, save your breath. If God doesn’t move according to ones experience and understanding then it obviously is not God. For God to move beyond my comfort zone would mean that I may not have all the answers. I hope and pray that He’s much bigger than my ability to understand Him. Did jesus mean it when he said a house divided against itself cannot stand. so satan contiues to bring glory to God defeating the powers of hell and its self with healing and delivering people from sin and sickness. It’s amazing how satan is back in the worship leading business again. There he is singing to his defeat and the majestic awesome beauty of our Savior during the worship part of the service. Incredible what one has to believe in order to accept the idea that God is not in this. OOPs I just heard Todd giving glory and credit to God again. Saying something about “giving glory to Jesus”. I’ve seen the crowd come to recieve Jesus. Maybe satans trying to by favor with God? How can he send out his demonic spirits to bring chaous and the go out and deliver. I have to believe that satan is trembling
at this revival not leading it.

Comment by Love the out pour | May 3, 2008
Who does this endtimespropheticwords person think he/she is? Let me ask how many people who are doing amazing things like Todd Bentley, do you actually believe. I am guessing none at all.

Its funny how the pharisees in the bible didn’t believe Jesus was the Messiah because he went against the person they believed he would be like. They thouht that he was coming t destroy all their physical enemies, but the real enemy was the one that comes to stea kill and destroy – Satan himself. He successfully did so!!

>>>>>> At several points, he faked spiritual manifestations – notable a period of holy laughter that was false (and I do not mean by that demonic, but I know a false and forced laugh when I hear one <<<<<<<>>>> Toronto was NEVER from God, it was Satan inspired. God did not keep it moving, although he allowed it. More bad fruit has come through Toronto than anything else in the church for many years. And more bad fruit is still budding there. <<<<<>>>> The DEVIL WOULD NEVER “GLORIFY THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST” OR LIFT HIM UP AS THE SON OF GOD. HE HATES HIM.

He would gladly lift up and glorify and lead to the name of another Jesus. And these men lead to another Jesus and another gospel, the Latter Rain one. Haven’t you read your bible on these points? Have you not realised how subtle spiritual seduction can be? <<<<<

Todd Bentlety lifted up the name of Jesus Christ! There is no other Jesus Christ!! Christ is translated ‘Anointed One’. You are however correct in saying there are many other Jesus’, but I can guarantee you that the one Todd is lifting up is the one that is of the Bible. The one came to heal the broken hearted!

TO ANYONE WHO IS READING THESE BLOGS – DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME!! God is the only one that can move in these people’s hearts to convince them that He is doing a good work through Todd Bentley!!

By the way, to the people who think that Todd Bentley is not a Godly man based on the fact that he didn’t say Jesus’ name in His preach!!
He has been there for how long and you say that from one preach he isn’t for real……..

The fruit from this outpour is unblievable. There is always that chance that people will go against it, Jesus had it so why shouldn’t we expect people to go against it!!

I will pray that the eyes of your understanding be opened!! I really hope that you open your heart to the things God is doing.
I will end with this: When you make blogs like this, and you say that Todd Bentley is a fraud – Base it on scripture from the Bible. Let people judge for themselves through the written word!! That is where the evidence is!! That is where we can test the spirits and see if they are of God or not. Don’t come up here and say that people are doing work from the devil when really – it is your own opinion base on who knows what!

In light of all of this,I am however your brother in Christ, and my heart is broken for you!! I will pray for you my brother – and I say this with the deepest of sincerity!!

May God show himself powerful and great in all of this!!

God Bless you all…….

Comment by Jon-Paul Hohaia | May 4, 2008
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The Scriptures teach us that we are to “examine everything carefully,” we are to “pass judgment” upon hearing prophecy and teaching, and regardless of who the vessel is, whether it be a man or even “an angel from heaven,” it is our responsibility to exercise discernment. And, as is clear in Galatians 2, Paul was not particularly impressed with “those purported to be the pillars of the faith.” He was concerned with what they imparted to him, and was not blinded by their celebrity status.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 4, 2008
God is renewing people’s lives and people are getting saved!

God is being glorified and I think this is horrible that no one has nothing else to do but critisize!

Comment by Teresa | May 4, 2008
Teresea

Not criticise so much as WARN.

Big difference.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 4, 2008
It must be upsetting to you, to have more than 80 percent in your blog favor what God is doing. And to everyone trying to convince these people, your wasting your breath. They have made up there MINDS and all the talking will not change there minds. Only prayer and Gods love will be able to change there Hearts.Do you think that by writing a clever response is going to have them say,”Your right I’am so wrong praise God for his mercy!” Well it will never happen. Only God can get threw to people like this. Maybe whenever they move in power or revival then people just like them will study every move they make, every word they say, every person the befriend, and put them under a microscope. Or make websites that call them the devils apostle they may understand. Or they might just give up?

Comment by scott sanders | May 5, 2008
be careful on what you say…I was there for several day, I have a Phd. and B.S. in Counseling…I sense in my spirit that this is the real thing…revival is on its way around the world from Lakelandk, Florida…

Comment by jocelyn | May 5, 2008
I am in agreement with you on Todd Bently. However, I have been with Rodney Howard-Browne for years and he does not force people to laugh on cue. He preaches and teaches and God does give joy that manifests in laughter to people (who usually need a laugh to get over their pain) and sitting in his revivals and meetings one can tell when it is of flesh and of spirit. Rodney can tell too. He just looks at them weird. He ignores them. A pastor can nto always control what his congregation does and he isnt goign to judge either. But if one has discernment they can tell. Pastor Rodney is all about salvation. That is his goal. And that man gives away more then any pastor I know. and I have never known him to do any new age things. He is a big guy with a big heart and we cant judge someone by what others do. Rodney loves th e Lord and anyone who SINCERELLLY knows him will know this. He is not in it for the money nor public eye. The public eye has ripped him apart but he keeps going and he came over here poor. And when he could have gotten bitter after his daughter dying he got back up and kept going to reach the lost…and he carries his Bible, teaches the Word, preaches the Word, and has a gentle spirit. We need to becareful who we touch and why.

Comment by karen | May 5, 2008
Matthew 24:24
1 John 4:1
Col. 2:18

READ IT those of you who are standing up for Todd Bently. Even if he is a Christian he is being deceived himself by Satan. Just as Oprah is a Christian but she is also being deceived.

Do yoru research or you will also be deceived due to lack of KNOWLEDGE.

Comment by karen | May 5, 2008
During Easter we had a healing revival of sorts break out. We had a whole bunch of people get healed of all sorts of different things.

Me and a friend of mine were walking around the camp and praying for the sick. Then people started coming to us. We always prayed in the name of Jesus and we always got the youth to do the praying, we just coached them…

But a prophet spoke to us how some were talking the wrong way about what was happening and were attributing what God was doing to us. We were both convicted, we repented and made sure everyone knew it was Jesus who heals, not us.

I share that to simply share that in times of revival things can get out of hand even when people have the best intentions. We were preaching Jesus non stop but some still got the wrong message.

Im sure todd and his team love Jesus. So if we are concerned with whats happening lets 1) tell him and 2) pray for him, that God would convict him of whatever he needs to be convicted of.

Now christine, you’re very strong about not getting tattoos because its in the law so im wondering, do you eat red meat, where clothes made of two different materials, do you cover your head, are you ceremonially unclean when you have your period, and do you offer sacrifices at the temple? Jesus made it so clear, we’re under a new covenant, its no longer law, its grace. Its a covenant of love. A covenant of pure motivations. There is nothing wrong with getting a tattoo.

Comment by james | May 5, 2008
I don’t care whether T.B. has tattoos or piercings or anything else. I am tired of hearing that rehashed over and over. I have seen many others with those things etc.. that are being moved and activated in a great way by God. I am evangelical/charismatic and myself have a tattoo, seen many works of God and myself am a spirit-filled tongues speaking believer.
You people are missing the point made by endtimes if I may be so bold. Its not about the outward or what he says etc. A wolf in sheep’s clothing: looks like a sheep, sounds like a sheep, acts like a sheep. But inside is not a sheep.
The point is look at the works and the ministry behind the man, not the man himself. Many of you are standing up and defending a man, putting him on a pedestal and have no real understanding of what he believes and the company he surrounds himself. I am not judging Todd, he may be a man that truly wanted to do God’s will and fell in with a “wrong crowd”. The problem is the teachings of these people he associates with are not sound doctrine. They desire the metaphysical.
Have any of you read what they teach? Or do you blow it off and say well who cares he is doing the work of God.

Look at the teachings behind the veil. I cannot see those things as being from God.

Comment by Adam | May 5, 2008
Karen:

You are wrong about Rodney Howard Browne – he starts laughing to get people going or adds in other buzz words. Not only have I seen him minister in person, I watched him recently on GOD TV. He does not ‘force’ people but it is more than highly suggestive…. it is deliberately and intentionally manipulative. So what if he thinks he does it for a good end, it is still deceptive. He also deliberately misquotes things and lies about his qualifications thereby breaking the law, but more on that in another post.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 5, 2008
Jocelyn….you sense in your spirit. Or do you? The heart is decietful above all things, you can be blinded by only partially seeing, as you want it to be true. What does scripture tell you though about Latter Rain teachings?

This thing is an antichrist move by the dominionists, and one more step forward for new apostolic dominion – which believe me is the last thing that would be good for true believers.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 5, 2008
May the Lord bless this blog.

Todd is a false prophet.

REPENT CHURCH!

Comment by Ubirathan Miranda | May 5, 2008
I’m a spirit-filled minister for 22 years who believes in the gifts of the Holy Spirit and in signs and wonders today. I speak in tongues daily so I’m not a skeptic when it comes to the movement of God. However I’m concerned by the fact that according to a video of Todd Bentley on Angels from youtube.com he claims that he operates based on instructions from an angel the same angel that worked with William Braham and Paul Cain Is this a angel of darkness posing as an angel of light. What about Galatians 3? William Branham operated by an angel and ended up in error thinking he was Elijah and Paul Cain a friend of Branham must have received this from him and he was disfellowshipped for being a long time homosexual and alcoholic. Both operated in very accurate prophetic gifts. This is not a movement that Jesus and the holy Spirit are leading but a angelic spirit evidently. I believe in angels as well however would not want one with that track record. Also look at Todd’s past videos and look at him now he is not the same person his continence is not the same and he looks like a worldly person. And the other problem is the piercings and tattoos is God going to violate His word in the name of revival I think not. All other movements were at least promoting Jesus whether you are with all that has gone on however since when are we led by Angels.

Comment by Vince | May 5, 2008
Some people talk it and others just live it. I wonder how many on this commenting page are doing more than critize. (I mean discerning and judging, scripturally of course)

Comment by Love the out pour | May 5, 2008
Im sure some of you who agree with TB would have to give up your church activities and positions if in fact you found Todd to be a flase prophet. Read, learn and listen and you will soon know the truth

Comment by luv2write | May 6, 2008
Oh Love the out pour
People who believe like you who just dont know which way to go so we might as well be defensive have never been around these guys. I dont mean on stage I mean in the wonderful presence up close and personal outpourings—-
While their lives were wracked with sin roaming around collecting $$$$$ town to town because they see angels and colors. Give it up. give me scripture to how barking, laughing rolling around , angels going into bodies that need to be healed is the Living God?
These “profits” are to be warned about. Heres your warning.

Comment by luv2write | May 6, 2008
What amazes me is how many people here defend what’s going on in Florida like this:

“How dare you say that what’s going on isn’t of God? How dare you even suggest that this man isn’t led by God’s Spirit?”

Well, how many of you supporters of this so-called revival would give those of us who are discerning the same benefit of the doubt.

I mean, if someone on here reads their bible, and by the Holy Spirit discerns that what is going on in Florida is false, then shouldn’t you Todd supporters say the same things about us? In other words:

“How dare you suggest that the discernment that’s going on here isn’t of God?”

Right? I mean, if you’re going to be consistant, and we’re not allowed to criticize anything that God is ’supposedly’ doing, then you shouldn’t criticize those who point out the error of this so-called revival. Think about it, by your standards, you’d have to agree that God is pouring out His Spirit mightily and allowing the gifts of discernment to flow freely in our pointing out the error in Florida.

Somehow I doubt that any of you will support that type of biblical Holy Spirit outpouring.

Comment by andypro | May 6, 2008
I personally have not been to the revival yet.But plan to go tomorrow.This is how I personally feel.Look at Saul he persecuted Christians yet he was chosen by God.So how can we say who God choses to move through.And I trust the word of the Lord and my Faith is based on my belief in Christ and I plan to see if the Holy spirit is there.I trust in my Lord and he says THE SHEEP WILL KNOW MY VOICE.And all who are saved know the feeling of salvation and of the Holy spirit.And I don’t think Satan can give me that feeling.But I will know if it is the shepherds voice.And one further comment Do you think more souls are won to God by Condenmnation or by commpasion.Even when saved we are so caught up sometimes in our old sins we do not move forward,We feel condenmed by ourself.Then the Lord has to once again proclaim what does the word say.YOUR sins are forgiven you are white as snow .we can not go forward if we keep looking back.Do not judge others let the father do his bussiness.We are our own worse judge we don’t need others to help judge us.Im not where I need to be with the Lord but thank you Lord I am not where I was.Jesus I love you!Lead guide and direct in all of our lives.Amen

Comment by susan Richards | May 6, 2008
I know the Lord Jesus Christ and a stranger I will not follow.I have recieved great ministry from the Holy Spirit.I know that I have felt the Holy Spirit over and over again.Try worshipping God for the mighty move of his glory.No man can do what is happening right now in Florida.People are hurgry for the Holy Spirit.
There was many people that couldn’t have faith when Jesus went in towns he could do no mighty miracle because of their unbelief.Do you want Jesus to feel the earth with his glory.Just look up and believe and see what God will do. for you and your church.If not now when the fields are ripe for harvest,When?

Comment by Rosetta Evans | May 7, 2008
People are hurgry for the Holy Spirit.

We are not to worship the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit guides us into all Truth — the Scriptures. Truth is Jesus (the Word made flesh); so, the HS points to Jesus. He’s the one we’re supposed to be hungry for!

Jesus brought people to conviction first, then stressed repentance before true salvation. I don’t believe Bentley is doing this.

Comment by Lee | May 7, 2008
Are Christians supposed to be like foolish virgins who go and buy oil from others ? [It is exactly what is happening with all these places of ‘outpouring’].
On the opposite, real equipping from above awaits those who pay the cost of a daily walk with the Lord. Buy wisdom , freely, like the wise virgins, wise virgins have taken their cross and have learned from the Master. It costs everything of the inner life , but after being trained ,one will not depend anymore on his self will and feelings for discernment. As it is written in Isaiah : Every morning, every morning, He opens my ear, so that I listen like a disciple listen”. It is like this, by personal discipline [which is not burdensome if you really love the Lord and persevere in His Word] , that the ear is formed. If someone lacks wisdom, let him go to the Lord and pray , the Lord gives freely (James 1).
Claiming that Christians can not be deceived is nothing but a gross presuming.

Comment by eric claire | May 7, 2008
Are you having healing services now..if so when ,where ,what time.what are the dates. and address,

Comment by Linda Nisley | May 8, 2008
1 Corinthians 4:3-5 says:
3. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself.
4. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.
5. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men’s hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.

Is this a move of God? Yes it is, but do not forget that human flesh is involved. Is that a problem? Of course not, God is in control NOT the devil. People are worshipping, singing Holy, Holy, Holy to Jesus. His name is glorified. People are receiving healing in the name of Jesus. There are things that the human brain can not comprehend, that’s God. Try not to explain all the things happening during the services because the human mind can not understand things from the Spirit.

God is in control…!!!

Please stop this crusade for your own benefit!!!

Matthew 10:40-41:
40. “He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me.
41. Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and anyone who receives a righteous man because he is a righteous man will receive a righteous man’s reward.

Comment by Martin Kuiper | May 10, 2008
you talk about todd being cocky and proud… but you have the gall to say that this IS fake….

you don’t know… only G-D does…

I believe you need to check the plank in your own eye before you start trying to pull out someones splinter….

this is the very reason the church is in the shape it is in today, everyone thinks they know more than everyone else, and they end up slicing up the body of CHRIST… how old are you?

this may very well be fake… but I don’t believe it’s your place to determine if it is or not… if you feel like it is, fine, stop watching it/participating in it… don’t shove your OPINION down other peoples throats

Comment by samwise | May 12, 2008
Samwise

“this may very well be fake… but I don’t believe it’s your place to determine if it is or not… if you feel like it is, fine, stop watching it/participating in it… don’t shove your OPINION down other peoples throats.”

This statement lacks wisdom and courage.

It’s every Christian’s place to contend and stand up for the faith.

Christians have become a bunch of cowards afraid of making people uncomfortable with the truth. Just shut our mouths and pretend we don’t see the Church being raped by strange doctrine.

Satan has done a wonderful job of ripping out our spines and making us believe it’s good and loving to be complacent people, who lack integrity and will not stand up for what is right.

I’m ashamed of how weak us Christians have become.

Comment by servant | May 12, 2008
Why does every one have to argue about everything? Why do people have to rip eachother apart? What matters is if one believes in God, Jesus as their saviour. I am so ashamed of how everyone has to pick apart at every little thing in life, the bible, etc. People want to make things that are interpted so complex; What is said is said, dont turn it into something that people cant even comprehend. The bible was writen simple for all to understand, so understand it. If I cry for the world as much as I do I cant even fathem how much Jesus crys.

Comment by Steve | May 12, 2008
Oh one more thing; Todd is a man that accepts Jesus, he is guilty of sin like us all. Fake or Not; He will be Judged like you and I. So be happy that he is out there making a difference. Everyone is good no matter the sin, we just need to hope that they are sorry and try to not sin. Only one knows if it is fake or not; and im sure you know who that is.

Comment by Steve | May 12, 2008
Steve,
I guess we should tell Detectives not to pick apart every detail at a crime scene because they might solve a crime if they do that.

“Come, let us reason”
There isn’t any ripping apart of people going on…just doctrine…because it is dangerous to swallow poison, even in small amounts. Debate is a wonderful thing. It is always good to remember not to come into a debate ‘tender’, or you will feel like everything is a personal assault on you, which is not the case.

Comment by servant | May 12, 2008
You need to explain to me where I John says not to speak of any other anointing accept one or you are a false teacher. The only thing I can see you are talking about is when John is talking about the Spirit of the Antichrist and that you have the anointing where you need no one to teach you. ANOINTING – Means to set a part. If you read through out scripture you will find people anointed with oil and with the anointing of the Holy Spirit. There are many anointing’s but one Holy Spirit. We are to teach no other gospel accept Him crucified there is one gospel not one anointing. Test the spirits, read I John 4:1-3. The few teaching’s I have heard from Tod B. has been Jesus Christ and Him crucified. You have also used the prophet is subject to the prophet incorrectly. Todd B. asked people to testify and they did not stand up with another prophecy or Word from the Lord. This meeting is his to run under the direction of the Holy Spirit the best he can. If you think its rude thats find but it does not apply to this scripture. No one has said he is a mature prophet, maturity comes with time and experience, Todd B. and all of us will make mistakes and errors, no matter what level of anointing is on us but God is patient, Merciful and full of Grace. You are also mistaken about “if it was God it wouldn’t be scary.” People feared to accomplish what God had requested of them through out the Bible and through out history. There is also a presence of God if you ever had to stand in you would tremble and fear even a believer because He is HOLY and we are not. We have been made righteous in Christ but we would be aware of the intent of our hearts as soon as we stepped in to his presence. We need to rightly divide the Word and not to Judge anothers heart or personality because we don’t care for the way he delivers a message of the Lord. Unfortunately we like to find fault with things we have not experienced or do not understand. I have not listened or seen everything Todd B. has done but I believe by the messages I have listened to he is a brother in the Lord. Give opportunity for this to bear fruit but I guarantee this not matter what he does, even if he was perfect he will be accused because Jesus was perfect and He was called demonic, blasphemer and crucified. Which brings me back to Todd B. is not perfect but give him a chance to full fill the call of God on his life. Pray for him and others God raises up. One more thing you used the Scripture a prophet is subject to the Spirit of the prophet. We usually have control over stepping in to the anointing of the Spirit or not. It would not be unusual for some one to be able to stop the laughter or any other anointing when the want. Some times you can’t but most of the time you can.

Comment by Mona | May 13, 2008
Oh the relidous spirts have got you blinded the ones that make you think your close to God but are keeping you just far enough away to not enter His presents.
I do not think Todd Bentley could get so many people to fake healing or even to come see him if God were not there.
But bottom line is he is a leader in a church called of God so be careful what you say If this outpouring or todd himself is not of God then it will fizzle out and he will answer. But becareful what you say.
and as far as people falling over you don’t get slain in the spirit just to get healed it is because of the power of the presents of the Holy spirit.
& last night I heard Jesus being glorifed not Todd Bentley

Comment by atruebeliver | May 13, 2008
atruebeliver: Thanks for sharing the truth. I have attended many conferences and work with a lot of pastors in ministry and this is the first time I have heard Jesus proclaimed more than man. I guess that is why the demons have raised there head and our using good people out of fear to try to bring confusion and we need to remember that is of satan not our Father in Heaven.

Comment by Justbeme | May 13, 2008
Thank you for your comments about Todd Bentley and the revival at lakeland. Like you I too have been uncomfortable and with some of the things happening there but I’ve had to remind myself that the reason God saved me, and the fact that I am now accepted by Him as His child is not because I was good enough to be saved or today am good enough to be acknowledged as his child. He loves me anyway, just as a human father accepts his child with warts and all. The important thing is that I allow him to continue his work of grace in me.

Watching Todd, my flesh longs to put him on the straight and narrow – as I know it. But I’ve decided to bite my tongue and admit what most us are afraid to i.e. what’s going on there is revealing how barren and dry we really are. And that winds us up. But don’t you hunger for much of the same? You comments leave me with no doubt that you write from a place of emptiness and total lack of experience of the things Todd ‘boasts’ about. Too many of us are walking examples of people with a form of religion but NO POWER.

God sometimes uses oddballs like Todd Bentley to stir up jealousy in the rest of us with the hope we will also seek him with the same intensity and hunger that he and millions around have. That’s good jealousy – don’t let it turn sour and harden your heart.

You claim “This ‘move of God’ is manufactured by man and is not from God.” Let’s wait and see. For the moment your comments reveal more about your own spiritual state than Todd’s.

Comment by Philip Athyal | May 14, 2008
This is a satanic site, whoever is writing this rubbish is quite obviously jealous of Todd, satan doesn’t heal people God does and he turns up at every meeting, this is the last time i will visit it

Comment by Angela | May 15, 2008
Why do we keep putting God in a box. He doesn’t use the person you think he would. He doesn’t always use the pastor in a suit. God is God and he is capable of anything.

Comment by Laurie | May 15, 2008
Hello,
I read your article. I am not saying that I don’t agree with things that you are saying, it is the absolute way you are saying it is a bit hard to swallow. Share your experience and your struggle with it. Share scripture to back up your position, stick to the facts and not your opionion. The reason I say this is because I believe you have valid points, but the manner they are said will not be heard by the people who need to hear it.
And I imagine the reason you are speaking out is to warn others to test the spirits.
Shalom, -T

Comment by T | May 16, 2008
This whole conversation reminds me of the scripture where Jesus was talking about the end times = Where there is a dead body there the vultures will gather.

The above attack on Todd Bentley is a dead body of information and everyone here is gathering to partake of it.

You might try reading the vision that Tommy Hicks gave around 1960. He said that those who did not receive this anointing would be overtaken with darkness.

I am sure if Jesus Himself was standing on the stage leading this revival there would be those who would find fault in Him as well. That is a truth because there were people who found fault with Jesus when He walked the earth and raised the dead.

Wake up before it is too late.
The Door is about to be shut.

I have been saved for 50 years and I have had many dreams and visions through the years.
Eva (YeshuaBride)

Comment by Eva Marsee | May 16, 2008
Eva – what about all the rest of the scriptures that you ignore in order to accept these foul signs and wonders and even fouler prophets? Scripture is not meant to be pick and mix, take what you like, ignore the rest…

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 16, 2008
Revival by another name. Wow – this has been a fasinating study.

In the early 90’s I visted Carpenter’s Home Church several times in Lakeland to see Rodney Howard Brown. This church gave home to at least 7 weeks or more of Rodney’s “revival” much as “Ignited Church” is doing for Todd Bentley.

I was impressed at first, but then Biblical reasoning came into play. Rodney was all about the “laughing in the Holy Ghost.” I ran into trouble with that. Is this now – or was it then – a time for laughing and roaring like a lion, or rather the putting on of the sackclothe and ashes? Given how our nation has rejected God, embraced homosexuality, killed over 50 million unborn children through abortion …. should we really be laughing???

More telling is what has happened to Carpenter’s Home Church since Rodney Howard Brown.

The long running state of the art Christian 100,000 watt FM station WCIE (Where Christ Is Everything) closed shortly after the Rodney Howard Brown broadcasts. It was sold for $1,000,000 to pay for the church which was in a revival reversal. The church and its 10,000 seat sanctuary has since been sold to “With Out Walls” which purchased the 75 acre property. In the deal, CHC received a 700 seat building (formerly used by With Out Walls”) and between 3 and 8 million dollars – and use of the school auditorium on the former CHC property. The 700 seat building is under a new name and pastor. The school auditorium church is now run by the son of Carpenter’s Home Church’s pastor, Karl Stradtor.

Wanna guess what the name of that church is? Yeah …. “Ignited” the same church that is housing the (Rodney Howard Brown wannabe) Todd Bentley revival.

Anyone want to lay bets on the future of Ingited Church???

Sad …

Comment by Steve Wetzel | May 19, 2008
Steve, I feel sad too. I am alarmed that those who are not running in and testing the spirits are being ailenated. I think I misspelled that. I have had people become angry with me because I would not jump on the band wagon. I again am not sayint this is not God, I am saying that it is sad to see the division that is happening.

Comment by T | May 19, 2008
T – I wouldn’t worry too much about divisions. They have happened in the past, and will again in the future. it’s a certainty.

I would ask you to ponder this:

Is this a time for laughing, roaring like a lion, and looking for great blessings — or this the time to be putting on sackcloth and ashes and repenting before God? Given how our nation has rejected God, embraced homosexuality, and killed over 50 million unborn children through abortion …. should we really be laughing and rejoicing right now???

Look at the Biblical models in the Old Testament, and you will have the answer.

Comment by Steve Wetzel | May 20, 2008
I have read most of the comments here. And as a Pastor I have to make sure of what I say because of how this effects others. I must say that I think I am doing the right thing in not being quick to jump in on what people are referring to as a revival, but neither am I attacking it without having studied or done my homework. And even if I was for or against, I could just go about my own business, doing what the Lord has called me to.
I have watched Todd Bentley on the God channel but I don’t know him in person, so therefore how can I make comments about that, however I can identify a lot with some of the things he says, especially after hearing him talk last night about how he came into the healing ministry (as it sounded a bit like me and hundreds of others around the world he desire or have desired to be used of the Lord).
It was only having read up on the like of Bob Jones and others that I thought that personally I think something is fishy about all their ‘angelic encounters’. So I thought that maybe there is a danger for Todd, if he has not done his homework, that in seeking to have visitations of angels that the enemy would provide some.
I also think that Todd reads these blogs, and does his best to answer them (I think he does well in this, unlike others who could just choose to ignore the negatives).
So my conclusion is that, although not having visited Lakeland or being in a position to do so, I have seen desire in my own life to reach the lost with God’s healing power, plus the desire of some of the guys in the church (here in Ireland) being ignited (none have been to Lakeland or touched their screens or computers by the way) though some of what we have both SEEN and HEARD.
It is wrong to not try the spirits, I cannot do that from here, an I trust that those who go to the meetings are doing
that. For anyone to suggest that we shouldn’t need to do this would be against Scripture.
We are benefiting, AND so may I suggest that you Pray for Todd to have discernment to know whats of God and what isn’t.
By the way, as for the tats and piercings, I would like Todd (if you are reading) to possibly reveal why he had them done (seemingly after conversion). Possibly this would be helpful as there are some viewers who think Todd will be setting a precedent for children or the youth of the church (i.e. looking just like the world).
If Todd was around I would of course sit down and have a coffee with him and ask him these things myself (not to be critical but to get to understand what he’s thinking).Perhaps it is shock treatment for the Body!
And lastly may I say that I am asking people to tune in to the meetings in Florida, as an evangelistic tool. Just to stir-up opportunities to share the gospel with them. Miracles don’t save! But they pave the way for the Gospel to be presented. God Bless the true Bereans, amen!

Comment by Mike | May 22, 2008
Thanks for your thoughts Pastor Mike. No worries about any of your congregation finding out what you wrote – as this is a blog – and it only reveals the information you provide it.

One of the things that trouble me with Todd is his being like the world – post-conversion and post-ministry. Besides the Biblical mandate to not have “marks” on the body, I’m having difficulty in finding Biblical precedence for us to become “like the world” to promote the gospel. I find none.

Personally, I do not desire to reach the world with God’s healing power, rather the Gospel which saves the soul. If you meant soul, I understand, but the context of Bentley’s revival leans towards the “physical” healing, rather than the “born again” which saves the soul.

I guess praying for Todd’s discernment is a noble thought – but would that not have been better served before all his tattoos and piercing – after he has already begun his ministry?

One last point … as a pastor, one cannot lead his flock to waters that are too swift, lest they be swept away. A pastor (shepherd) nurtures his flock. The testing of the spirits is for the mature Christian, not the novice. For a novice Christian to “test” this fire – it may leave him or her consumed. This goes against what a shepherd ought to do.

Just a thought.

Comment by Steve Wetzel | May 23, 2008
Thanks Steve. Actually I am not worried about our congregation finding out what I have written. I am just stating that it is important what leaders write and what they endorse.

I also don’t think we need to look and act like the world to reach the world, especially when in these days the world needs to see something that is different. Nevertheless I think we must be relevant. I think we should be able to identify with people though, and not come with polished ‘christian jargon’.

You said that you do not with to reach the world with God’s healing power, but rather with the Gospel that saves the soul. Well, I know what you mean.I could point out that many christians need to have their souls saved (if we mean soul as in mind, will, and emotions) See James 1:21.

I have been saved 23 years this year. For most of that time I have been involved in evangelism. Few people accepted Christ during the early days. I trained in ’soul’ willing. But there was a problem. I always felt powerless. I thought about the early church and how they had the added advantage of the Gospel with the Power of God. And I yearned to demonstrate to the unbelieving that God is real.

By the way, the Scriptures say that the ministry of the Holy Spirit is to CONVICT/CONVINCE the world. Through preaching the WORD, the Holy Spirit may CONVICT the world of SIN, but there is the other word, ‘CONVINCE’, which I believe refers to things that the Holy Spirit does in the area of MIRACLES such as HEALINGS. You can find this in in John 16:8 where the Greek word elegcho is used for both CONVINCE and CONVICT. And for further study on the power of miracles to convict of sin, consider Peter’s “Go away from me, Lord: I am a sinful man,” after the miraculous catch of fish (Luke 5:8).

So, as I see it Miracles are the Dinner Bell for Salvation. Miracles in themselves do not save, but rather are the drawing card for salvation. But since the word salvation includes deliverance, healing, and ultimately the rebirth of the human spirit – what we call Being Born agin, we should be preaching and expecting all aspects of salvation.

As for Todd and his tattoes – how can I comment until I hear him state why he did it. I would certainly not encourage tattoes or piercings. I would like Todd to speak up on this. If only he would say something along the lines of,”Don’t try to be like me. What I did was a mistake, when I was going through a tough time…” Whatever. The first step I think would be to remove the piercings and cover up the tattoes rather than glorifying them!

Steve, I don’t know where you have taken the idea that to test the spirits is only for the mature. I think that sometimes the New Born Child of God has a sensitivety that some older ‘mature’ christians have lost. The Scriptures are plenty on this. ie. My sheep hear my voice…., as many as are led by the spirit they are the sons of God, etc. We all need to exercise discernment. And as I said before, and I will say again, the biggest mistake that some are making is to go to Lakeland Florida and not even consider testing the spirits. They should be Scriptural at least and pray to the Lord for the Gift of Discerning of Spirits.

Meanwhile, back in Ireland, those few that have been inspired either directly or indirectly by what is happening in Florida, are stirred up and hitting the streets, or talking to more people than ever before. We do not go around praying for people to fall down either. We look for opportunities to present or preach the Gospel.

And by the way, one of the greatest lessons I have ever had, came from The Way of the Master series,especially Hells Best Kept Secret. That message combined with Signs and Wonders is the combination needed for these days as it was many years ago.

God Bless you Steve – because you love the truth! Mike

Comment by Mike | May 24, 2008
Sorry about the odd spelling mistakes, such as ‘Soul Willing’ instead of Soul Winning, and that You do not with, instead of You do not wish’ to reach the world…

Mike

Comment by Mike | May 24, 2008
When the woman was accused by the men who brought her before Jesus, He knew the intention of their hearts. This is why He told them, “He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone.” One-by-one, they all walked away. Then, left alone with Jesus, He asked the woman where her accusers were. He told her, “Neither do I accuse you, go and sin no more.”

The key here is twofold:
1) By the blood of Jesus, and only by His blood are we washed white as snow. Jesus himself did not accuse this woman, knowing of her past.
2) By repentance (go and sin no more), the woman was released from her sin.

Glory to God that AS WE REPENT, we are set free. Repentance is a prerequisite to true salvation.

I do not know the background of these men of whom you speak, other than to see and hear them now.
Are they living in sin now? Do you have proof of this? Where is it?

He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone.

If these men are KNOWINGLY sinning, and walking in leadership, they need to be reprimanded. I have yet to see proof of this. Have you confronted these men directly – go to your neighbor directly! Then, if he does not hear you, take 2 or more with you to show him his sin. Have you done this? This is the scriptural way to handle the issue you point to. If you have done these things, and they have not repented, then I applaud you for pointing out the heresy. However, show me what YOU have done scripturally, if you carry a burden about it. Seek to correct it the Biblical way!

Comment by Lynell Fischer | May 25, 2008
http://www.freshfire.ca/index.php?Act=read&status=teaching&Id=244&bid=

May 20, 2008 teaching from Todd. On repentance. Go figure!

Comment by Lynell Fischer | May 25, 2008
What is funny today Pastor Mike – is all one need do is proclaim Christ, and they are considered unique and different!

Todd’s tattoos are what they are, but I do admit that I have always been troubled by oriental lettered tattoos. We don’t know the language. A pastor’s wife got one of those, and I told her, “You better pray that it says what you were told it says!” I also think that if you waited until you were 50 years old to get a tattoo? Well you are just denying your age by trying to be like the kids today. Thing is – tattoos don’t look so good on wrinkled skin. I’m just saying …

Mike I understand completely what you are saying about “soul winning” and feeling powerless. I think that is because it is forced (as a group is doing it that day) and the leading of the Holy Spirit is left on the sideline. I am an alumni of Florida Bible College, and that is how we were taught to do it. I have since revised how I do it, and look for the opportunities that the Holy Spirit provides. One such example was an image of Mary found on the window of a building in Clearwater, FL. See: http://mttu.com/MARY5.jpg

Hundreds of thousands of people were coming to see this sight. This was an opportunity. I got the idea to create a gospel tract that said, “Mary always points to her Son Jesus” – we printed 5,000 tracts, and gave away all of them in 15 minutes. I even received calls from ladies wanting more to place in their Catholic churches in the northern states and Canada. Opportunities abound – we just need to look for them!

Concerning the “testing of spirits” – we are two people separated by a common language. What I was thinking in regard to that was a new Christian being put in a place – say at a witchcraft fair or something like that. If this Todd Bentley situation has at its heart something demonic – this is something novices should avoid. I have seen too many new Christians get caught up in fads or the demonic which distorted their view of the Christian life, because they lacked the foundation in His Word. My own father-in-law is an example of that. He had no foundation in the Word, got involved in a Deliverance ministry and casting out demons, and is now way out in left field. He falls prey to every supposed “move” of the Holy Spirit, and his discernment is zero because he was never grounded in the Truth. Part of the testing process, is weighing – whatever – against what is written. If one does not know what is written – what is there to compare it to? I think this may be the case in many Christians today.

Good post Pastor. We agree about 95%!

Steve

Comment by Steve Wetzel | May 25, 2008
Thanks Steve, I look forward to comments on this blog. Last night I took with me a young man from our church and walked the streets of our town asking the Lord for doors of opportunity to share the Word. I am always ready to present the healing side of the Gospel when the need is there. But of the 4 or so groups of people that we talked to in 2 hours, only once did the need for healing arise. Of the others, I spent the majority of the time sharing the LAW and GRACE message from HBKS. And it was received very well (and surprizingly, with two elderly gentlemen). But an opportunity arose with a guy who had been in a car crash 10 years previously. He needed healing for body and mind. But there was an interference from his mother (and I believe through the gift of discerning of spirits, that an unclean spirit was operating through her and was controlling this lad (he was 25). I believe it was the gift of discerning of spirits, because I could smell a really powerful odour surrounding her and I was quite a distance from her, whilst the young man with me evangelising could smell nothing. I have not experienced this before. But I rebuked it and then took the lad off a distance away and prayed for his healing. He said he could feel a tingling all over his arm and body were the injuries were. I suspect God was healing him. He had to go, but he got a gospel tract and I believe that God showed him something of Himself.

Why am I stating this? There is a stirring! Where is it coming from? Is it Toronto? I was never there. Was is Florida? Never been there either! Is God working sovereignly at this time around the world, yet strangely that it just happens to coincide with what some are calling a revival – maybe! I just think it is great, and I want it to continue and to let it touch more and more people.

By the way I will be watching Marjoe the movie soon. But on the information I have read, it shows that God’s Word and the Name of Jesus can even be used by those who are faking it, and can produce the results. Then in the end it is the faith that comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. Even Marjoe did not deny the miracles happened; he just couldn’t explain them, and became disillusioned when he discovered that it wasn’t him who was doing the healings. Very interesting. Therefore if a false preacher can produce the goods, how much more those of us who are genuine?

God Bless You who sincerely want the Truth.

P.S. Read 1 Cor.14:1 Pursue Love and desire spiritual gifts.

Not ‘Pursue Spiritual gifts and desire love’, nor
‘Pursue love OR spiritual gifts’, but
‘Pursue love AND desire spiritual gifts’…

Comment by Mike | May 25, 2008
many people seemed to be moved by this brothers ministry and others skeptical. Keeping humble is the key I think.
Sadly we all have fallen nature such as selfishness, greed and arrogance but also the spark of original natue from our
Parent God. Many people have been touched by Todd’s ministry and found a spiritual life which is great. God works in many ways to reach His lost children no one group has a monopoly on truth and grace.

Comment by Pam | May 27, 2008
You pick everything apart – until absolutely nothing works..except for your own opinions…not even God could measure up to you…how do your family members breathe under your constant scrutiny? God bless them.
Honestly…only a revelation of the Father’s love can heal your soul. Please – take a break from the blog…and return to the Word – ask Holy Spirit to be your teacher and be open to Him.
I am speechless at your writing..and that others have read and agreed…is appaling.
How do you honestly reconcile dissecting someone’s smile? or manerisms? let alone your incredibly legalistic theology…have you been able to stay in a church? Please…if you are born again…please return to the Word.
You still have time to get the millstone off from around your neck.
The only reason I even wrote this – is only because of how many people you have influenced..otherwise I would usually ignore such carnality.
Thank you for hearing me out.

Comment by R Greer | May 28, 2008
everyone is so anxious to be in the right box there are so many groups and someone from each will be able to claim they are right and the other is wrong. My experience is biblical your’s is not etc. God loves everyone as a parent We come across like bickering kids at times.

Comment by Pam | May 29, 2008
To R Greer: I was just wondering who you were referring to in your comment on May 28th. And secondly, do you think that we should ‘test’ or ‘try’ the spirits, to see whether they be of God or not? Or should we accept everything anyone says, just so long as they are christians?

Comment by Mike | May 29, 2008
All my life I have been looking for Love. Was raised in a home that taught Jesus, went to a church, was saved at 10 years old and baptised at 11. Went to pastors class, memorized the scriptures and passed the class. At 15 years old I rebelled against my Mom and Dad and God. Went head strong into drugs, sex. Even while I was rebelling Jesus never left me and He continued to woo me unto Himself. I got married to an alcoholic that abused me at 18 years old. He still called me to Himself. Contacted an std that destroyed my ability to have children, says the doctor to my new husband and parents. Went to multiple doctors for the same diagnosis for over a year. Out of the pain in my heart I cried out to God,(Jehovah, I Am that I Am), and pleaded my case and asked His mercy and forgiveness for my sin. I am now a mother of 5 and a grandmother of 6. Divorced my alcoholic husband and married a sexual addict who I am married to now 23 year’s . After the birth of my 5th child Our Father in Heaven began to visit me. He re parented me and revealed to me that I had been repeatedly sexually abused by family members. Wow why am I sharing this…..my story goes on and on because I am 52 years old and have not just run from God once or twice it has been multiple times. Each time He is there for me. Since 1996 to last year I did not hear His voice at all or feel His awesome presence. Then like a long lost friend I heard His voice speak once more to me. Please bare with me this is not about me. This is about my hunt for Love. Not an ooy gooey love but an everlasting, forgiving Love that died on a cross for me Love. On May the 1st I received an email from a friend who shared the websites to view this outpouring. As I sat watching The Holy Spirit spoke to me about my neighbor whom I had unforgiveness in my heart towards that had been going on for 6 years.He said get up and go ask his forgiveness and forgive him. After a few minutes of prompting I went to find a changed man and forgiveness. Then He told me to go to Lakeland Florida. I live in Kentucky and do not have a job but He insisted I go. So on May 5th I went and by the second night the Lord had given me 20 dollars and a place to stay tell Friday in one of the nicest hotels in Lakeland. He provided everything for me including an anointing I brought back that has changed others lives. Loooooooooook at the fruit. Not the individual package He is using. I LOVE JESUS and how he can use anything or anybody. Man looks at the outward appearance but God looks at the heart,(1 Samuel 16:7), Galatians 5 is about liberty vs the law and I personally have walked in both and I choose liberty. Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Were is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did hot know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign and Greeks seek after wisdom but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God
is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.(1 Corinthians 1:20-25), Read 1 Corinthians 1:17-19. Careful, warning, read 1 Corinthians 2: 10-16. I have not forgotten who i am nor have i forgotten Who He Is. Who are you?????????????????

Comment by chill | May 29, 2008
Man looks at the outward appearance but God looks at the heart,(1 Samuel 16:7) exactly Chill.
You have suffered so much and will be able to comfort and support many others

we are all on a journey and may receive different inspirations and guidance from various sources on the way so we should sometimes refrain from attacking people or groups just because we disagree with their ideas and biblical interpretations.

Comment by Pam | May 30, 2008
Many say that if Todd is false but his teachings/healings bring about a revival, then it’s okay. This shows how terribly gullible and foolish Christians are! If the Devil disguises himself and pretend to be God, there will be a revival too (which is probably happening now), given the way people are so ready to believe in anything. Then there are some who say the Devil will never have the humbleness to speak Jesus’ name. That is another stupid belief. When I was a young Catholic, I was taught that the BIble and the Cross had power over the Devil and these things can keep the Devil away! How wrong! The Devil is here to destroy Christians and we better wake up to the fact that he not only speaks and imitates Jesus, he acts like him and many are deceived, they think they are saved but it is only on the surface. If salvation is not by the Truth, then brothers you aren’t saved.

The biggest problem with this Todd thing is people are not using their mind, even though God despises foolishness. People not only make excuses for Todd’s behavior and demeanor, they don’t check his ’sermons’ against God’s Word. For many, there are personal selfish agenda behind support for Todd. Pastors want to grow their church and nothing like a miracle healing revival brings more people. The Devil knows, the Devil knows.

Comment by JN | May 31, 2008
All I know is, I went to his meetings twice to pray for my little brother to come back to Christ. Two weeks later, he was killed in a car accident.. 24 years old, left a 5 year old son and an unborn daughter behind… I wont attend another meeting..

Comment by Doesnt Matter Anymore | June 17, 2008
Isn’t it funny how the pharisees said the exact same thing about Jesus! Just a word to the wise – Examine thine own self my friend, is there anything that you can find that has actually made an impact for Christ?

To all those who believe, there is revival coming and it is only expected that there will be opposition – don’t waste time dealing with people who are trying to destroy a move from God.

Comment by Jon-Paul Hohaia | June 22, 2008
HOUSTON, WE HAVE A QUIZ! It’s been said that Satan is at his very best when he stands behind a pulpit with the Word of God, performs signs and wonders and claims to have had special visions, revelations and other spiritual experiences i’e. ‘if you really knew who I am you’ll believe me’. Well here’s the quiz: We have two characters claiming this – A. Todd Bentley and B. Mr Endtimespropheticword. The question is: Which one of these do you think is being used by Satan? by God? A or B?, or Both A & B? or Neither A or B? Seriously! The Bible says “The heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick” (Jer 17:9)

Comment by Philip Athyal | June 25, 2008
Unless what Bentley is doing is sounded rejected, he will become the role model for the young ministers of tomorrow. Imagine going to your church altar for prayer, and getting leg dropped, kneed in the stomach, kicked in the head or punched. Don’t think I want that kind of prayer.

Just last Sunday, I visited a church where a young pastor asked people to come forward for prayer. A woman came up, and he proceeded to do a one handed Vulcan-Mind-Meld, snapping her head back. He later jumped around proclaiming that God is here, “Woooooo” – like wrestler Rick Flair does.

Where do you think he got that from? TV – both Christan and secular … Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Todd Bentley, the WWF – like that. He certainly did not get that from reading the Word of God.

So to all the Bentley apologists out there, I say “Good luck with going forward for prayer. I’ll make sure to pay you a visit in the hospital.”

Comment by Steve Wetzel | July 5, 2008
Please heed Titus 3:9-11

9But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him. 11You may be sure that such a man is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.

Comment by breeze | July 18, 2008
What does the Bible say to do to see if someone is from GOD?
If you are judging people outside of what the Bible says to do then you are in the flesh and that is a dangerous place to judge from.

1 John 4
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God.

1 Cor 12
3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

2 Tim 3
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was

I really feel sorry for people who think they are so perfect that they can say that if someone is not like them then that person is unperfect. sad

Comment by YeshuaBride | August 5, 2008
I believe Todd has changed drastically over the years, as have many others like him. I remember going to one of his meetings (I didn’t know anything much about him) about 9-10 years ago when he was quite young… The meeting was orderly and full of worship for the Lord. We spent about half of the time just singing worship songs and praying corporately. I remember him being so…normal. Calm, humble, and confident in Jesus in a straight-forward way. He spent a good bit of time teaching on healing, and the ironic thing (i.e. SO different from the present) was that he focused primarily on Scripture. He talked about how God opened his eyes to God’s desire to heal supernaturally…by reading everything the New Testament had to say about healing over and over. He involved the whole assembly in corporate prayer for anyone who was suffering, and there was little of the ’showmanship’ that night. The only people he asked up to the front at the end were those who were feeling something happening physically or were experiencing a change. A woman from my church was, in fact, healed that night; I was not (we had the same problem), but I went away feeling joyful and edified. (And for the record, I’ve checked up over the years, and she’s still well.) Seems like such a far cry from the Todd Bentley of today. I remember him particularly passionate about spreading the gospel and talking about how God was using healing around the world to bring people to know him. In other words, it was a means, not an end. …I also remember when people like Wagner were pretty solid and uncomplicated in their teaching, and how it used to be other-focused and God-focused–not self-focused. Anyway, just wanted to share that–because I think that there is always hope–we should be praying for all of these people, that they will have the opportunity to break out of the Pentecostal bubble (you know, where you are clueless about the outside world even though you think you know everything). It seems that people like this start serving what once was a gift instead of the giver; the giver merely becomes an accoutrement to the thing, and then we make that thing in our own image.

Although I’m sure the blog owner will jump on me for saying so, I just wanted to mention that the Bible does NOT ’speak out against tattoos.” That’s a pretty narrow cultural interpretation of the Mosaic Law that mentions tattooing and is missing the point of it. The thing that I find a bit false are those who go out and get their tattoos and piercings in order to fit a certain image, as though they will be embraced by a certain subculture just because of their tats. It’s like they rely on them for image, as if they prove something about them. It seems false, and usually people in those subcultures can spot that far away. I’m not even in a subculture like that, but I can spot ‘fake tats’ a mile away, as opposed to people who came from that subculture and as believers don’t define themselves by those things. It also can prove you’re in a bubble…in church culture like that, you don’t have to go out and get a job. Many of my friends who have full sleeves and a full shirt, etc, are more realistic and realize that some of body art wasn’t worth it…like some friends who recently became missionaries in the Muslim world…and have to take extra care to cover up their tats as they make no sense and are repellent in that world. But in no way do they believe their tattoos are against the Bible. In fact, for one of these guys, even though he now finds them inconvenient, it was an expression of his new life. He came to Christ when he already had a lot of them, and after he began following God, he decided to finish the shirt with images that would honor God and be a witness to others. He was legit, and God really did use them to give him openings to others during that time. There was nothing occultic about them. But now I’m rambling, and this is beside the point!

Comment by cba | February 10, 2009
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Some of these Lakeland videos are tacky and demonic at the same time, a difficult feat.

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | April 7, 2009
That outpouring from Heaven has changed my entire life for ever. Some might say oh that was not God!! I say you were not on the platform like myself every night being changed !! I was honored to be a part of the biggest move in church history unless I have missed it!! Revival begins in the heart of beleivers. Do you beleive is the question or are you so critical that you do not see. I am now traveling around the world and it still is going on… JESUS GETS ALL THE GLORY.

Comment by Jeff | May 10, 2009
For the record, the ‘Jeff’ posting in the previous comment is Jeff Garvin, Fresh Fire ministries associate.

I will ask you what I asked you Jeff before when you commented before on another thread here -

You call yourself an ‘urban prophet’ – yet you do not know biblical basics about standing for truth and judging the true from the false, or spotting a blatant liar and crook from a man of God?

As to judgment, and judgment day, anything you want to come clean about this side of eternity?

Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 11, 2009
Hey Jeff:

You said Lakeland “changed your life forever”?

I would not disagree with that statement.

But do you mean it changed it because you were infected by the demonic impartations masquerading as “angels of light” or do you mean it changed you forever because you realized the depth of the NAR delusion of Bob Jones/William Branham?

Or are you just a paid cheerleader afraid of losing his job because of the fact Todd Bentley was lying during the whole time of Lakeland?

Or maybe you are just scared at the extent of the deception of the men and women of the NAR who foolishly gave a blessing to Todd at his “commissioning service”?

Jeff, wake up. The NAR will try to kill you and force you to bow the knee to the AntiChrist soon enough. Don’t make the mistake of genuflecting before your Hell ticket comes up for renewal in the concentration camp.

Comment by AriseMyLove | May 11, 2009

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