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Don’t judge Todd Bentley by his past – prison for sexual assualt

As some people know, before he became a Christian, Todd Bentley was in prison for sexually molesting a seven year old boy. Although he was only young when he did this awful thing (14 years old), it is still inexcusable. But, as heinous, as horrible, how disgusting, how inexcusable, how sad I find this act – and however much I sympathise with the child and his family - as I said when I was first told about it on this website, and as I have said repeatedly since - Todd and any other abuser can be forgiven by God for this if he repents of it and turns from his wicked ways. 

His awful past does NOT invalidate Todd Bentley from ministry now IF he has truly repented and turned away from this crime. As I said to the original poster ‘If any man is any Christ, he is a new creation. The old has gone, the new has come…’  and then there is  ‘as far as the east is from the west so he has removed our sins from us’.   If God has removed our sin, who are we to bring it back up as a stumbling block?*   This is the glory and wonder and joy of the gospel. If   the man is in Christ, that is.

 (* I only bring it up now because it is already in the public domain and people are talking and asking me about it, and wrongly weighing his ministry up by it).

Though such a past calls for wisdom and care, (I have known several supposedly ’saved’ paedophiles, some who were repentent and healed or were well on the way to healing, and some who were still unrepentent and unhealed predators and abusers), I find it sad that some Christians will judge Todd Bentley all too easily for this act, and decide not to have anything to do with him or his ministry ’because he is a pervert’. But the gospel is clearly one of life changing transformations, rescuing even the darkest and most sinful man. There is no biblical precedent for being able to hold such a sin against him, or hindering him or disqualifying him from ministry, if   he is truly saved and repentent.

People, please do not judge Bentley by his past, rather judge him by weighing and testing his words and actions now, and testing the spirits behind his words and actions, and those of his mentors and associates.

I have never  taken Todd Bentley’s past pre his conversion into account when weighing and discerning his ministry, as I should never take any other man or woman’s past into account pre their conversion, as nor should you take mine. I speak against Todd Bentley because he is a false prophet and false teacher NOW and does some brazen false works of a liar and a charlatan and profiteer. I do not speak against him because he is an ex con and, if he is saved, a forgiven child molester. (I say if  saved, as how can someone such as him be truly saved and have so little fear for God to lie in such a way as he does? Or prophesy and teach such drivel?)

I find it extraordinary that people will happily accept any or all of Bentley’s unbiblical teaching and prophecies NOW and say ‘he has to be from God’ and refuse to listen to a word against him, but when told of something he did years ago pre his conversion, which is forgiveable as per the eternal gospel, will become one of the worst kind of pharisees and refuse to have anything to do with him then. It is extraordinary that they will do the very opposite of what the Bible says (judge someone for their past sin, and not judge someone for their current heresy!)

Guys, stay away from Todd Bentley, he is dangerous. But I do not warn about him as a sexual predator – rather I warn about him as one who is a far more dangerous predator - a false teacher and false prophet and a charlatan and profiteer – which has not just a lifetime of stuff to deal with as per the abused seven year old boy, but has eternal  consequences for many.

The Report News magazine, 04-30-2001 by Rick Hiebert -

Does forgiving mean forgetting? A faith healer comes clean on his young-offender conviction for child
molestation.

Todd Bentley has a confession to make. A faith healer who has attracted international attention over the past several months, Bentley presents himself as a reformed bad boy who was once jailed for 18 months for ” crimes of an assault nature” and breaking-and-entering in his hometown of Gibsons, B.C.

The truth is, his most serious crime was more heinous: the molestation of a seven-year-old boy. “They were sexual crimes,” Bentley admits. “I was involved in a sexual-assault ring. I turned around and did what had happened to me. I was assaulted too.”

“I don’t like to talk about it publicly because it would hurt [my ministry ].” he concedes. “I don’t whip it out in the newspapers or on TV because people will go ‘Whaaa?’ I’ll say ‘I was in prison, period. Let’s move on.’”

Bentley’s admission took place after he was confronted with information given to The Report following the magazine’s publication of a story (” Signs and wonders,” March 5) on his burgeoning ministry. Federal law protects young offenders by prohibiting the dissemination of any information that may identify a youth convicted of a crime, but Bentley, now 25, freely provided details of the offence. “I was 13 years old when I committed my crime,” he says. “I was jailed at 14.” (In fact, The Report has learned that Bentley molested the boy in October 1990, when Bentley was 14, and that he was sentenced in March 1991, when he was 15.)

Bentley, who is now married and is the father of three young children, stresses he has repented for his crime and has undergone three years of counselling. “There has not been and there won’t be other cases,” says the
evangelical faith healer, who feels he needs no counselling to ensure he does not re-offend. “It’s something that’s dead and buried for me.”

But, in an age when the likes of Protestant televangelists and Catholic priests have been ensnared by sexual scandal, the issue is far from dead.

Denny Cline, pastor of the Albany, Oregon, Vineyard church where Bentley launched a healing revival last year, looks on him as a spiritual son and says Bentley always exhibits a godly character. Upon learning of Bentley’s molesting offence, Pastor Cline remarks, “I don’t think he told me that, but it wouldn’t have mattered anyway. It wouldn’t have mattered in regards to what he is doing now, and the person that he is now…If he’s paid his debt to society and God’s forgiven him of everything, then who am I to not forgive?”

On the other hand, Lieutenant Jeff Johnston, a Salvation Army pastor in Port Alberni, B.C., who used to work in Bentley’s hometown, is more skeptical. “There’s absolutely no way that I would allow my own kids to come within a million miles of anyone who had been involved in a youth sexual assault,” he says. Lieut. Johnston notes a church group tried to bring Bentley to Gibsons for a series of meetings in 1997, but the gatherings were called off after Lieut. Johnston and other pastors threatened not to allow their youth groups to attend. “It’s one thing to be forgiving, it’s another thing to be stupid,” Lieut. Johnston says. “If you, as a pastor, had someone in your church ministry who had been involved in these things and they ever re-offended, the fact that you knew and didn’t disclose it to parents, take every precaution, would be a huge liability issue.”

Forewarned is forearmed, says Canadian Alliance MP Randy White. Given the notorius recidivism of pedophile offenders, the federal government should pass the national sex-offenders registry bill he tabled April 4. Mr. White explains that police need to be able to keep track of sex offenders who enter fields such as itinerant evangelism. “It’s worse not to admit the offence from the start,” Mr. White observes. “If you hide it, ultimately someone will cross your path and expose you. It becomes twice as hard to deal with.”

Furthermore, Darrell Johnson, a professor of pastoral theology at Vancouver’s Regent College and a Presbyterian minister, says that although Bentley promises his past is “dead and buried,” his victim–and the victim’s family–are likely still suffering. The professor is also concerned that Bentley admits he has no team of pastors or counsellors to help him now. Says Prof. Johnson, “Openness, transparency and accountability would protect him, as well as the people he ministers to.”

Photo cap: Evangelist Bentley: “I don’t like to talk about it publicly because it would hurt [my ministry].”

Healing Evangelist Todd Bentley Reveals Facts About Past Assault (By Billy Bruce, for Charisma Magazine)


The young preacher says he wants to set the record straight about an offense he committed at age 14, before his conversion

Canadian evangelist Todd Bentley knows well the power of a testimony to convince the lost that no one is too far gone to find healing in Christ. Recently, he has also learned that when the secular media digs into one’s testimony, confession may not be so good for the soul.

In a lengthy feature article published in the September 2002 issue of Charisma, Bentley, 26, acknowledged that at age 14, as a juvenile, he had been arrested for assault. A March 2001 story about him that was published in The Report–a secular, conservative political magazine published in British Columbia and Alberta, Canada–offered a similar report.

But The Report story backfired when the mother of the victim of the assault read the article and informed the magazine that Bentley’s assault had been sexual and that he had molested her son, also a minor, at the time. Bentley served several months in jail for the crime, and five years afterward he gave his life to Christ. Today his crusades around the world are producing reports of healing miracles and thousands of salvations.

The Report writer who filed the original story about Bentley’s ministry called him back to verify the nature of the crime. As a juvenile offender, Bentley’s record was protected from public disclosure, and he said he had no idea The Report would then turn around and publish his acknowledgement of the crime.

“[The reporter] didn’t tell me he was doing a follow-up story,” Bentley told Charisma. “He was just friendly and told me what the mother had said, and I admitted to him in what I thought were off-the-record comments that it was true, but that it happened years ago and I had since been changed by the gospel.”

Bentley openly acknowledges the rougher parts of his juvenile past when he preaches in public, including his near-fatal drug overdoses, criminal burglaries, physical abuse of his mother and several stints in prison. But he said he has never talked openly about the sexual assault because of the stigma the crime carries and what he says is “the inability of Christians to forgive certain sins.”

His advisers, who include several pastors and counselors, have advised him to refrain from talking publicly about the sexual crime for the same reasons.

Bentley did publicly acknowledge the sexual assault during the summer of 2001 while leading a conference and crusade in Kewlona, British Columbia. He had received the support of the New Life Vineyard church in Kewlona to use their facilities for the events, and organizers had installed posters advertising the event around town.

The family of the assault victim had moved to Kewlona, and when they saw the posters with Bentley’s name, they contacted local media. Bentley decided to address the local outcry by going on the 6 p.m. local TV-news broadcast. He admitted the crime on-air, asked for forgiveness, told viewers how ashamed he was, and how he was transformed five years after the incident by the gospel’s power.

“From that incident up to this article in The Report, our ministry has not had one complaint about this revelation from my past,” Bentley told Charisma. “The church in Kewlona stood behind me and continued to allow me to use their facilities to finish the conference. The protests stopped after I went on TV, and they aired that broadcast two or three times.”

Bentley, who is now married and has children of his own, said he has feared Christians would be afraid to leave their children around him if the juvenile sex-offense were known. He says he will report on the crime in a book he is writing that is expected to release this year.

Two ministers who provide pastoral covering for Bentley told Charisma they have full confidence that God has forgiven him for his juvenile crimes and that he is in no way susceptible to repeat offenses of that nature.

“Todd is in good standing with us, and we believe him most definitely to be restored,” Pat Cocking [Patricia King] said. “There has been no sign at all of any questionable behavior.”

Bobby Conner of Demonstration of God’s Power Ministries in Moravian Falls, N.C., echoed Cocking’s sentiments.

“I do serve on Todd’s watch-care group and minister with him several times a year,” Conner said. “I know that he is a faithful young man. The anointing on his life is awesome. I feel he has been up-front with me and the watch-care group about his life before Christ. It seems well to move on now and not to continue to open what God has forgiven and covered.”

May 5, 2008 - Posted by endtimespropheticwords | Fresh Fire, Fresh Fire ministries, Todd Bentley | , , , , | 224 Comments

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  1. So, with that said, who’s gonna leave Todd alone with his/her own boy?

    Any takers?

    No. Because as parents, we’re not stupid, and we’re responsible to God for our child, not for allowing our “Brother” Todd to have access to our child.

    But when it comes to Christian circles, if ain’t outright apparent heresey, we ignore the New Age and Gnostic teachings that riddle Todd’s teachings, and ministry.

    Even at this “hype” they call revival in Lakeland, Todd says some doozies.
    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/355021 Todd trys, lamely, to establish a prophetic apostolic succession. Look, he even has the same “angel” as another guy.

    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/355021 5min 30sec. God tells Todd to make them believe in the Angel.

    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/355021 5 min 30sec Todd says, but aren’t I supposed to make them believe in Jesus?
    God supposedly tells Todd they already believe in Jesus. (I guess at that point there was no need of an evangelist, as the people were “saved.”)And now they need to believe in the angel, the supernatural.

    Somebody really needs to shovel out his barn. It is obviously stinkin’!

    Comment by Hesed | May 6, 2008

  2. I know that any sin other then blasphme is forgivable…. I know people have past and lived a sin filled life before making the decision to repent and give their lives to Christ…. but I noticed some strange sayings in his public address of these issue “was transformed five years after the incident by the gospel’s power.” Ok… now for the sake of not being critcal, I know the Word Of God has the power to keep us from being entangled in the yokes of sin, by the scruputes in Hebrews 12:1 John 1. But these comments struck me in my spirit b/c I personally, I cant speak for anyone else, I have never heard, saw, etc Mr, Bentley mention the name of JESUS. Even my parents who just saw a climspe of him yesterday on Daystar stated the same thing, and that he never even preached from the Bible, he just went sraight into laying on of hands and reading from prophecies he wrote down!

    It’s almost like he cant say the name Jesus. I know from my owm personal experiences and other people that the POWER of Jesus, the work of the cross, the power in the blood of Jesus set them free, and yes the gospel of Jesus Christ is the Word of God, the Word that has the power to transform us!

    I won’t judge Todd Bently for his past and I belives Miriam is correct is posting this, b/c Lord knows I have one, we all have one, we all were, and are in need of a Savior and His NAME IS JESUS, and His Blood never looses power, His Word is shaper then any two edge sword that reaches into the inner parts of our being and divides us ucunder.

    However I do judge is current actions and mishandeling of the WORD OF GOD, and his inablity to preach the Word at his revivals, and mention the Name that was given above every name and that is the Name of Jesus.

    I don’t know if I am the only one that finds this ironic, strange, off, whatever you would like to call it, and what is more scary is well it is apparent that Mr. Bently is not operating in the Holy Spirit of the living God but another spirit perhaps the angel Emma or William Branham angel, who knows… so if you cant teach and preach the Word of God, you seemly can’t say the name of Jesus, then what is he held accountable by, b/c all his peers at some point seem to keep falling in and out of sin. How certain is his deliverance? and by whom was he delivered by?

    I pray in the mighty name of Jesus that 1. All of these ministers be enlighten and repent of their errorous ways, and be restored to truth and reconciled to God by way of His Son Jesus Christ. 2. I pray for the protection of all children from this hideous sin and sprirt that wants to plant seed in a young childs life of confusion. hurt, pain b/c that is how the devils targets his victims is while they are young!

    Comment by Prepare Ye The Way! | May 6, 2008

  3. I think I’d beware of judging another mans servant. They judged Jesus also!
    Thank God that He is able and capiable of judging his own.

    Comment by Bobbi Garvey | May 7, 2008

  4. Amen to that Bobbi! GOD IS THE JUDGE. JUDGE YE NOT, OR YOU TO SHALL BE JUDGED. AND BY THE SAME MEASURE YOU USE IT WILL BE MEASURED UNTO YOU.

    The Authority of Jesus Questioned
    23Jesus entered the temple courts, and, while he was teaching, the chief priests and the elders of the people came to him. “By what authority are you doing these things?” they asked. “And who gave you this authority?”

    24Jesus replied, “I will also ask you one question. If you answer me, I will tell you by what authority I am doing these things. 25John’s baptism—where did it come from? Was it from heaven, or from men?”

    They discussed it among themselves and said, “If we say, ‘From heaven,’ he will ask, ‘Then why didn’t you believe him?’ 26But if we say, ‘From men’—we are afraid of the people, for they all hold that John was a prophet.”

    27So they answered Jesus, “We don’t know.”
    Then he said, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things.
    The Parable of the Two Sons
    28″What do you think? There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said, ‘Son, go and work today in the vineyard.’

    29″ ‘I will not,’ he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.

    30″Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered, ‘I will, sir,’ but he did not go.

    31″Which of the two did what his father wanted?”
    “The first,” they answered.

    Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

    REPENT AND BELIEVE HIM. THE SAME DEMONS HAVE YOU!

    Comment by digitalnomad777 | May 7, 2008

  5. Todd Is a MAN OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHATEVER He has Done is washed in the blood of Jesus. He is not condamned but forgiven. YOU should be ashamed for writing this junk. If you consider yourself a Christian let me tell you something you are not speaking fro m the heart of God. The healing revival in lakeland is real and true. what you wrote is not from the Spirit of God.

    Comment by Jane | May 7, 2008

  6. It is so sad and scary when people think they are used by God and they are really not except that of a religeous spirit. I understand that there are dangers and we need to be aware of false Prophets and Shepards. But there is also the real deal I believe Todd is a true Servant and Prophet of the Lord. His devotion and lifestyle is the proof of it now. I have been in the revival in Lakeland and the only Name that is being magnified and Glorified is JESUS. Its just funny that all those websites who warn people about leaders are only those leaders who operate in the supernatural. Jesus is Supernatural. Read the book of Acts if you wonder about it and the books of the Prophets. We need each to examine our self and our heart before the Lord daily. The other thing is the people that are being the most critisized in the Christian world are the most devoted people of God that I know.

    Comment by Jane | May 7, 2008

  7. To Bobbi Garvey,

    You said you’d be “beware of judging another mans servant.” First of all, who is that “another man”? Second, can you define “servant”?

    Do you actually believe Todd Bentley is a servant? Does a servant elevate himself? Does he take money from people to buy blessings and healings? Does a servant rent out big stadiums for the sick to hobble into? Is he a servant that walks like Jesus? Did Jesus shake violently under the power of the Holy Spirit? Did he crawl on all fours? Did he make groaning, gibberish, nonsensical sounds?

    WAKE UP! We are to be looking unto Jesus and HIM ALONE! Jesus did warn us of deception in the last days by these false prophets, teachers, and healers. SNAP OUT OF IT AND GET OUT FROM UNDER THEIR SPELL!! Run to Jesus and read His Word.

    “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
    But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
    And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
    All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reprood, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.”

    Read the scriptures closely for you to know these false prophets and teachers are deceptive! Get real, there is nothing “new”, “renewal”, “new-renewal”, or the latest move of God coming to Florida or to this one “anointed man”. COME OUT AND BE SEPARATE!

    Comment by Erik U. | May 7, 2008

  8. How HORRIBLE to not accept that Todd was a child himself who had been abused; and how HORRIBLE to not accept the truth that he has been forgiven by Jesus and washed in HIS blood!!! He was a child of 13 when he committed his crime! He has not repeated it and he has been honest about it!!! You people who have written did not watch the whole crusade because repeatedly Todd asked people if they had Jesus as their Saviour!!! I believe that God is using this young man in a precious way and some of you criticisors are of a bad jealous spirit, with a dripping religious slime that is not HOLY or from the Lord!!! Those of you who are quick to criticise and condemn are heretics who cannot accept that un-holy sinner’s are saved by grace!!! The grace of God is not experienced by everyone. The saving grace of God has been reserved for sinner’s. If you have not been a sinner then you will never understand the saving grace from Jesus.satan will never understand the saving grace of God. It is not ever for him. he can never be saved. he is only a angel permanently kicked out of heaven. he was never a human who can experience salvation.he will never be a human. he was created to be lessor than human’s. The only one’s who can experience salvation are human sinner’s. SIN IS SIN; NO MATTER WHAT THE STORY IS. ALL SIN IS GROSS SIN IN THE HOLY EYES OF GOD. aLL CRITICISOR’S OF TODD’S SALVATION STEP RIGHT UP AND TELL US ALL YOUR STORY OF YOUR PAGAN HEATHEN LIFE BEFORE YOU WERE SAVED!!! AND I WANT TO HEAR ONLY FROM THE CRITICAL; WHO APPARENTLY BELIEVE THAT THEIR OWN SIN IS NOT GROSS SIN TO GOD………… I ONLY WANT TO HEAR FROM THOSE WHO HAVE NEVER EVER SINNED. NONE OF YOU COULD SAVE YOURSELVES.BE VERY CAREFUL OF EVERY WORD YOU SAY BECAUSE YOU ARE BEING JUDGED BY GOD RIGHT NOW FOR EVERY CARELESS WORD; AND SOONER THAN YOU THINK YOU WILL BE STANDING BEFORE GOD FOR YOUR OWN FINAL JUDGEMENT.WILL HE SAY GO AWAY FROM ME BECAUSE I NEVER KNEW YOU. OR ARE YOU THE ONE HE WILL BE SO HAPPY TO SEE?

    Comment by cheryl | May 7, 2008

  9. cheryl

    Ouch! My ears! Stop shouting.

    What about Bentley’s sins of necromancy and astral travel –an abomination to God?

    I don’t think anyone here has mentioned they were sinless.

    Oh, and I think you missed the point of the post. Did you actually READ it?

    Comment by Lee | May 7, 2008

  10. By the way, there are 2 cheryls posting here. I am in agreement that this “revival” does not glorify our Lord. He has allowed it to separate the wheat from the chaff.He is sifting the church.

    Comment by cheryl | May 8, 2008

  11. Todd Bentley is as new age as they come. The people who are offended by those who see Bentley for what he is are new age themselves. Jesus said “my sheep hear my voice and will not follow another”. There are large numbers of new agers who think they are true Christians when in reality they are not. This so called revival is clearly “sifting and dividing” as another poster indicated. It is a sign of the times. The scriptures are being fulfilled.

    Comment by yesterway | May 8, 2008

  12. … I don’t have anything relevant to post… just wondering about the visitors with the ‘unique’ avatars….

    Comment by lavrai | May 8, 2008

  13. It is wordpress’s doing, they keep fiddling with things of late.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 8, 2008

  14. Still it is more colorful, eh?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 8, 2008

  15. Yes very colourful and cheery! As long as we don’t get rainbows (although one of my sisters especially loves rainbows and when we are down and we see a rainbow, we thank God for it!!!).

    Comment by Elizabeth A | May 8, 2008

  16. Yes, it is his past, but has he been completely honest about it? He was jailed for 1 incident, but says he was in a gang that went around sexually assaulting children! He very well could have repeated this horrible sin over and over. What kind of demons was he carrying? Only the true evil of demons could ever harm children that way. I find it interesting that he had that past and then he chose Bob Jones (sexual molestation of multiple women) and Paul Cain (long-term homosexual) as his mentors and idols – both men with severe sexual sins as ministers. Anyone into pattern-recognition programs? This is one group of ministers I wouldn’t trust anymore than a Catholic priest around an altar boy.

    Comment by Darin | May 8, 2008

  17. if this is a healing man of God let him go into a childrens hospital in the middle of the night and heal all the patients without fanfare or bookoo bucks. never happen

    Comment by David | May 8, 2008

  18. They are like unto children that sit in the marketplace, and call one to another; who say, We piped unto you, and ye did not dance; we wailed, and ye did not weep. For John the Baptist is come eating no bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a demon. The Son of man is come eating and drinking; and ye say, Behold, a gluttonous man, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners! And wisdom is justified of all her children.

    Comment by John Boskin | May 8, 2008

  19. But who followed Jesus? Was it the religious or the corrupt tax collectors and prostitutes?

    Beware of the teachers of religious law…….

    We can discern according top the word and the word tells us that you can test spirits and only those with the Holy Spirit can proclaim Jesus Christ was made into flesh and died for our sins. Anyone can say “I’m going with what the word says” but they are not taking it in the context of the whole word.

    BTW, the word also tells us that if a christian hates another brother, he or she does not have the Spirit of God…. I hope this isn’t the case because we all truly need Jesus and His precious Holy Spirit. Father, I pray that all spiritual blindness and hinderance be removed and truth be revealed in the almighty name of Jesus! AMen!

    Comment by mike | May 10, 2008

  20. Does God ever do anything new?

    This goes to the one who questioned “new.”

    Isaiah 43:18 “ Do not remember the former things,
    Nor consider the things of old.
    19 Behold, I will do a new thing,
    Now it shall spring forth;
    Shall you not know it?
    I will even make a road in the wilderness
    And rivers in the desert.
    20 The beast of the field will honor Me,
    The jackals and the ostriches,
    Because I give waters in the wilderness
    And rivers in the desert,
    To give drink to My people, My chosen.
    21 This people I have formed for Myself;
    They shall declare My praise.

    Comment by mike | May 10, 2008

  21. I have nothing to say about whether the man is a true Christian or a man of God. However I can see a certain spirit manifest in some of the comments here: a holier-than-thou, unforgiving spirit. Of all the hate mailers above, which of you is without sin? Who did Jesus say he came for? Wasn’t it the lost and the sinners? Don’t you know the devil always tries to dig up dirt and discredit?

    You should involve yourself in praying for the man, as the spirit of God leads you: if he is of God, so that God will help him, and if he isnt, so that God will save him. You yourself have a long list of sins that the devil is waiting to publish should you ever publicly proclaim yourself a Christian. Remember Apostle Paul and the way some believers distanced themselves from him for fear of their lives after his conversion. Brethren, simply pray and let God handle the matter. But never let yourself be used to spread guile. God is well able to handle this matter.

    Comment by Maf | May 12, 2008

  22. Answer to the first question yes I would leave my children alone with Todd. Being involved in a ministry that deals with all types of sexual sin and having been delivered of a lifestyle of homosexuality after 25 years I know the power of God in peoples life. Lets get some of the secerets out. Did you know there has been a study done that 75 percent of pastors and church leaders deal with pornography? God bring the secerts out so we can stop pointing fingures at each other. Jesus said the world would know us by our love for one another. Where is the love in all this back biting and pointing fingures and twisting words. You that have NO sin pick up the first stone. I love reading these things because it makes me love Jesus that much more because of what He did on that Cross that day for each of us. It is the love that He shed that has and will continue to make the difference in each of our life unless maybe our hearts have been hardened. God is bigger than me, you or Todd Bentley give Him some credit instead of always giving satan credit. Work your own salvation out and let Todd work His out.

    Comment by Justbeme | May 13, 2008

  23. where do you people come from…do you not know what the Bible says, are you so sin free and holy that you ahve to judge and pick on someone who actually making a difference in this lost and hungry world. First of ALL, “JUDGE NOT LESS YOU BE JUDGED FOR THE SAME THING!!” Let me see….have I ever comitted a sin, of course I have, that’s why Jesus died on the cross. and for your information HESED, Todd does preach Jesus, he prays in Jesus name, he mentions and gives Him all the glory. So I suggest you and your parents need to ask Jesus to open your ears so you can hear what Todd is preaching. And did any of you ever think that maybe evil forces are closing your eyes, ears and mostly your hearts to the truth? I would think about it. I would pray about it and I would ask God to show me to my heart before I judged another. And if Todd is doing satans bidding, he wouldn’t be able to ask in Jesus name. Do you not know that just whispering the name of Jesus cause satan and his demons to tremble…Todd yells the name of Jesus, everyone in the arena calls out to Jesus. There is no eveil there, it couldn’t stay, and if there was, I can tell you by faith, it has fleed by the name of Jesus. Praise the LORD!

    Comment by Donna | May 14, 2008

  24. Introduction

    The New Age Movement is in a class by itself. Unlike most formal religions, it has no holy text, central organization, membership, formal clergy, geographic center, dogma, creed, etc. They often use mutually exclusive definitions for some of their terms. The New Age is in fact a free-flowing spiritual movement; a network of believers and practitioners who share somewhat similar beliefs and practices. Their book publishers take the place of a central organization; seminars, conventions, books and informal groups replace of sermons and religious services. Quoting John Naisbitt (1):

    “In turbulent times, in times of great change, people head for the two extremes: fundamentalism and personal, spiritual experience…With no membership lists or even a coherent philosophy or dogma, it is difficult to define or measure the unorganized New Age movement. But in every major U.S. and European city, thousands who seek insight and personal growth cluster around a metaphysical bookstore, a spiritual teacher, or an education center.”

    Comment by Donna | May 14, 2008

  25. First off let me say I dont know Todd Bentley. I have seen a couple of his shows , and they are shows not church because he is an evangilous not a preacher/pastor. Let me assume that the writer of this blog is right and he is a false teacher and false prophet and a charlatan and profiteer. He does his show somehow and calls on the name of Jesus to heal people. Lets say people get healed and they credit God and Jesus for their healing and tell other people that God healed them or Jesus healed them Like I have personaly heard them do. Lets also say that Todd, this supposed false teacher, gives an alter call. Tells people to ask Jesus to forgive them of their sins so they can be saved and tells them to ask Jesus into their lives. They do ask Jesus to forgive them of their sins and Jesus enters their lives and becomes saved. Because they were with Todd when this happens the people give him money so he can go else where to do it again or in this case stay there and do it every night. Who loses even if he is a false teacher and false prophet and a charlatan and profiteer is it the healed people that proclaim Jesus healed them through Todd. Is it the people that are saved by Jesus through Todd telling them how to get saved. Or is it the people that read boards like this and dont watch this , supposed false teacher and false prophet and a charlatan and profiteer , dont get healed dont get saved and continue to judge other people even to the point on questioning if some one is saved. What right does anyone have to do that. Can you people see a peson heart their spirt. I am a laymen Im not that smart, you could probaly see that in my spelling, but I do remember other people judging others salvation and how to get to god in the bible too. They had my lord crusified for being a false teacher and false prophet and a charlatan and profiteer. Now dont get me twisted I am not saying Todd is christ. He very well could be what you say. I just dont see the harm in it if he is leading people to christ. Oh yeah one more thing the people that talk about the end times and there being works by the devil. eg like healing. Just remeber before it can be the end time certain things have to happen like world peace. Isreal getting their temple back. Stars falling from heaven things like that. Since we are still in the middle east and in a war. Since I have not seen any stars falling from heaven and the muslims have not given back the temple I think its safe to say were not in end times. Well I guess I have given people enough to condem me by and judge me by. So if half of you are right I will see you in heaven. If the other half of you that are judging others spreading hate, I though god was love, and giving the devil a lot more credit than he deserves are right I dont know…..

    Comment by David | May 15, 2008

  26. all i have to say to judging people like you, is how would you feel if people were spreading your past on the internet.
    shame on you for smearing his past sins on the net. people like you remind me of the ones who were about to stone mary magdalene , but Jesus interveined and said those of you who is without sin cast the first stone.
    i cannot believe how much opposition is coming out against todd bentley. look at king david, he was one of the greatest kings in the old testament, he sinned terribly, but after repentance took place, God still found him a man after His own heart.
    i just think if you doubt this outpuring, keep it to yourself and let everybody judge for themselves without having to see your biased, negative opinion.

    Comment by melody | May 16, 2008

  27. How easy it is to talk about others! To judge others! To point our fingers at!

    No one is perfect. We all have our past(s) and even our present too. Can anybody really tell me who doesnt have any sin? We all fall short of the glory in one way or another.But because of the Lord’s mercies and His everlasting love and His kindness we can be called the children of God. Oh! what a privilege.The Lord never judge us and if he does who can stand in front of Him. He loves us dearly and that is why He died for us.He doesnt remember our sins. His forgiveness is everlasting.I think our problem is that we just can’t accept that.

    Any petitions, any questions, any doubts or worries we have we can submit to the Lord of Lords and He will guide us. The Lord doesnt want his children to be darkness. So if you really(truthfully) have Jesus in your heart and believes in Him, ask Him.

    So lets put a rest to this kind of speculation. The Lord is there to guide us and lead us, have a good fight of faith, I am sure the Lord will tell us. The Lord is our Heavenly father,He is there for us(his children), and we’ve got every right to ask our father anything and everything we need.

    May you have the peace not the peace that the world gives but that comes from Heaven.

    Comment by Mapuii | May 16, 2008

  28. To all the people who are unhappy with those of us who have concerns about what is going on in Florida:
    I find it incredible that you get on your ‘high horse’ and imply we are facing God’s wrath and eternal damnation (yeah, that’s the meaning behind your words), because we dare to question this so-called revival. You are also fond of saying that only God knows our hearts etc. True. So God can judge our motives for drawing attention to what we discern as false.
    I thank God for this site, and for the warnings which I believe are from a heart of love for God’s people.
    For those of you who want everything to be cosy and nice, I understand why, because I am a peace-lover who hates confrontation.But I know that is unrealistic, and I only have to read my bible to see that!

    Comment by Elizabeth A | May 17, 2008

  29. 2 Cr 11:13

    Comment by david | May 17, 2008

  30. John 14:12 ‘Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.’

    How come, that, when this is happening, there are allway’s religous people, who condemn it?? Just like the Pharisees did with Jesus…
    I must say that Jesus did warn his discipels that the same things that happened to Him, would also happen to them.

    1 Thessalonians 5:21
    ‘Prove all things, hold fast wich is good.’
    2 Timothy 3:16
    ‘All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:’

    So if the first vers I quoted is treu (John 14:12), then whom should I be taking serious??
    Maybe there is something false with the people who DON’T do the things Jesus did (or greater)…

    Comment by Samuel | May 18, 2008

  31. There went something wrong, I wanted to close with the following verse:
    2 Timothy 3:5
    ‘Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away’

    P.S.: All was quoted from the King James Version.

    Comment by Samuel | May 18, 2008

  32. Sorry I’m dutch, I wrote true wrong in my previous posts.
    Excuses there for!

    Greetings and blessings!

    Comment by Samuel | May 18, 2008

  33. With all this talk about Todd I am just wondering who is praying for the child he molested? Who is thinking about this little boy and the memories he will have for the rest of his life, and now Todd’s face is all over television. Can Todd be forgiven of course. Should we forgive him of course. If he asked for forgiveness did God forgive him, of course. I want to know how many of you would place your child in a car with Todd only, and let him take your child across the United States? I know I would not, as God gives us our children and we as parents must protect them. I believe lives can be changed by God, and it is God doing any healing not the ministry and not Todd. We are also called to stay away from temptation and a child alone with Todd would place temptation upon him, would it not? It amazes me how as Christians we are more concerned with a grown man who has a past of child molestation, than we are about the little boy he molested. My heart goes to the little boy and his family. My prayers go to the little boy and his family, and I pray this child never has to look at Todd Bentley’s face again. As righteous as Todd seems to be, Jesus wept when Todd hurt that child. He wept for Todd and for the child. Todd had a choice the child did not have one. So as Christians I think we need to get things straight of the right and wrong of this situation. Todd needs prayer and mercy, but that little boy is the one who needs the healing. A healing that no one but God can give to that child. Todd Bentley will be no where in that plan. Forgive Todd Bentley? Ask those parents of that child if they have, as that child will never be a child again, as by the hands of Todd Bentley his childhood was taken away, and all innocence is gone. Think how afraid that child must have been. You better pray a Todd Bentley never comes near your child. I want you to think of all the nights those parents have to hold their child crying, wiping away his tears, and so helpless to help him. Be careful Christians, that we do not forgive so much that we endanger a child by it. God did give us all a brain as well as a heart.

    Comment by Sandy | May 21, 2008

  34. I agree that Bentley’s past abominations should not be held against him now.

    My only issue with it is that he does not SHARE his TESTIMONY of how he OVERCAME his abomination.

    If Todd is really a new testament prophet, like Paul, he would share how God worked a miracle of overcoming in his life.

    We overcome by the blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony.

    Haven’t heard anything out of Todd’s mouth yet that fulfills that.

    Many homosexuals, rapists and pedophiles who need Christ need to hear how Todd overcame.

    The fact we haven’t heard this type of overcoming out of Todd is suspect.
    The fact we only have heard how he talks to angels without discerning if they are from God or not as Jesus REQUIRES; the fact he does not seem to understand the Cross or preach what Jesus did for us by dying in our place for our sins; the fact that his brand of “Christianese” is all about feelings and signs and wonders makes me think this IS the Anti Christ spirit.

    I will send a delusion. People can trump it up to be a revival all they want, and a I believe if you go to Todd and get healed or saved it is your faith in trying to find the Lord, not Todd’s.

    Waiting to hear Todd give a valid, point by point Testimony of how he overcame his sexual perversion. Until then, I can only conclude he is following in his mentors Bob Jones and Paul Cain’s paths by improperly putting it in their past. The Church should be on the forefront of sexual healing, not the back burner. I think Todd has a lot of things I’d like to hear him say about his past and HOW he overcame. Until then — circus sideshow of End Time Delusion.

    Comment by CooperChrist | May 21, 2008

  35. Samuel , Greetings

    You say :

    14:12 ‘Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.’
    How come, that, when this is happening, there are allway’s religous people, who condemn it?? Just like the Pharisees did with Jesus…
    I must say that Jesus did warn his discipels that the same things that happened to Him, would also happen to them.
    Maybe there is something false with the people who DON’T do the things Jesus did (or greater)…

    And you quote :
    2 Timothy 3:5
    ‘Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away’

    What exactly is the Power that Paul is referencing here in the context of this text, is it really the power to do healings and miracles ? Not necessarily so , Paul is referencing to the same Power that Peter is referencing when he wrote in his letters that God has given to the believers everything that pertain to godliness, the power of a Life imperishable , that manifest itself by fruits and virtues . And it is glorious. No need to say that this fruit and virtues are manifested when one deny himself , takes his cross everyday , considering himself dead to sin and alive and available to Christ Jesus, looking to Jesus the author and perfector of our faith. That is what Paul was referering in this text about those denying the power of godliness. They are enemies of the Cross , although keeping an outward form of Christianity. That is the real meaning of 2 Timothy 3:5. You can’t accuse a brethren who does not have the gift of healing to be ungodly , can you ?
    About healings and miracles, it is obvious to me that none who question this ‘Revival’ are against them , that is not the point, …
    but we know that some will not endure sound and solid doctrine (Truth that leads to Christlike character and maturity) but turn to fables, or worse turn to ancient mysticism and gnosticism (attaining quick glory and status of godhood, hidden “mysteries” that never the apostles of the Lamb have taught)things which are obvious in the “revelations” of those who are behind this ‘revival’, when we pay attention.

    God bless you , that the Light of Christ shines upon your face (I know some very good brethren in Netherlands, i’m from France).

    Comment by eric claire | May 21, 2008

  36. hey sandy

    todd publicly comfessed to this one of the nights we were in lakeland, he did 18 months in prison. at the time he did this he was 15 years old… yes there is no excuse for sexual child abuse, (i was sexually abused for 8 years of my childhood by men and women) i now minister to abused and abusers, remember hurt people hurt other people..and most important forgiveness is a choice…

    Comment by patty jones | May 21, 2008

  37. Hey Patty,

    You are correct forgiveness is a choice, but it is not me who has to forgive Todd Bentley is it? Todd Bentley did not molest me. That is for the boy he molested and his family to do, and that choice lies with them, and that is the only choice they have been given isn’t it? I will state again a seven year old boy had no choice at the time, the one that was fifteen did.

    Everyone keeps saying, “He was only fourteen/fifteen.” How we justify things by age! Granted kids do stupid things they are kids, but not all kids hurt others for life. So let us take a fifteen year old boy, and let’s say he kills his family, and he does it because that is the choice he made and just wants to. Now he turns twenty, and he is in jail, but let us let him back out on the street because he was only fifteen when he killed his entire family. I would think not, he committed an action that there are consequences for and Todd Bentley is going to have to take his consequences for his actions, just as our make believe boy, Todd Bentley murdered the child in that little boy. You had no choice in your situation nor did he, and instead of coming to the defense of Todd Bentley and others like him, we as adults need to take a stand for the children. In your letter to me, there is no mention again of the child, it was all about Todd.

    I commend you for your ministry, but this makes me sick, and I am glad there are people like you for the abusers, as there is no reason to hurt a child in this way. To me there is not a punishment or consequence that is great enough for them, as these children were very hurt and it is a life long hurt. So to me, it is only fair the abuser hurts also for that long. Child molesters may quit, but you and I both know they are never cured. I am sorry but I have no symppathy for them what so ever. The choice still fell in Todd’s lap, not the child’s. The choice to get himself out here in the public eye was also his. Again he made a choice, and I and other adults have the choice of standing up for the child or him. I choose the child even though Todd was “only fifteen years old.” Sandy

    Comment by Sandy | May 21, 2008

  38. Sandy:

    Make no mistake, I have concern for the child still (now a man), and I hope that some attempt at restitution has been made. Even though Todd may be forgiven by God, he can still make amends to that boy and his family and any other boys. And yes at 14 you are fully accountable.

    But that said, the glory of the gospel is that no boy or man is beyond redemption – however vile, however distasteful, at whatever age he sinned. He is forgiveable.

    There are a few more issues here for me -

    1. Has he truly repented or has he blameshifted saying because someone else did it to him, he copied them and so he cannot be really blamed (many child molesters say that, the cycle of abuse) and was only young anyway – he was old enough!

    2 Has he really repented because is he really saved? He lies, he practices charlatanism, he fleeces the saints, he falsely prophesies – he evidently does not fear God, so does he even know him? Has he evr. Is he a saint or a charlatan?

    I certainly would not leave my children with him – I would not trust him with anything I cherish – but not because of his past but because of his present which shows a man that lies and does not fear God.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 21, 2008

  39. Dear endtimespropheticwords,

    Thank you, you said in a few words what I was trying to say in many. I know Todd can be redeemed, but there was something about him, that I did not have a witness of the spirit to, and I found all of this out and then I knew why. As for as forgiving him, I do so feel that is for the boy/man and his family to choose to do, and I will not make that choice for them, nor take that choice away from them, as again, that is their only choice.

    I see the same things you do, and this has bothered me. I am so sick everytime a Chirstian comes against something all we get is do not judge lest you be judged. I am not judging Todd’s soul, I am judging his actions. We are so readily becoming a society where everything goes, with no consequences, and that is not of God. Israel had to suffer consequences for everything they did wrong. We do not like to hold people accountable anymore, and we see the declining of this very nation because of it.

    If Christian people do not stand up for these children who will? St. Paul held the Corinthians responsible when they abused the Lord’s supper, Jesus held the tax collectors accountable when they defiled the Lord’s Temple, and we all are going to give an account of our lives one day. So accountability is very much of God.

    Again thank you, and may the peace and the love of God, be with you always. Sandy

    Comment by Sandy | May 22, 2008

  40. This is kinda scary. Can not explain it….other then this is going to far. I understand how a parent could be concerned and in these days..well, I am concerned with all that my children are in contact with. I was molested as a child..the one who did it and asked for forgiveness. I accept his apology and gave forgiveness. Now, do I worry if he could do it again ? well, yes. But God forgives him. I just pray for him. I do not judge. The past is the past. I dare not pick up a stone..less you did it to my child then I may pick up a boulder….
    But, leave this man alone about his past before meeting Christ..what if that were you ? think about Paul ? many said things about him also..they were afraid of him. But he had a conversion.
    Now, if this man is truely preaching word of God and everything at revival is of God – that I do not know. I am only going on what yall are saying and some of what I find on web. Yes, some of it is very odd. But some of it seems okay. But, I do not have peace about it..seems more odd then not. Have not seeked God about it either..so I should keep my big mouth shut till I know what I do believe.

    Comment by servant of my Saviour | May 22, 2008

  41. I only read a little of you comments, so please forgive me if I missed something. I would like to address what was said regarding judging and forgiving. If we all are held accountable for everything we did prior to becoming believers by God, what would be the point of Jesus’ death? Yes, there are consequences, and that is why we have a judicial system. I am sure Todd has had to live with the consequences of his actions already and will for the rest of his life. Just because he received the forgiveness of the Lord and forgave himself, doesn’t mean he hasn’t suffered for his choices. We have an enemy and he is very active in all our lives. Todd is definitely not perfect. Neither am I. It’s amazing that God uses imperfect people to show His love and mercy. I see Todd laying down his life to do what he feels the Lord has called him to do at the expense of being with his family and his home. I have met Todd’s wife and find her and all their other family members to be very open and real people. Jesus forgave all our sins, not just the ones we think are forgivable. We need to forgive as he forgave and yes, we are accountable to God, but what we are accountable for is loving Him with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength and loving our neighbor as ourself. I hope we can learn to forgive the way God does. As far as the east is from the west, that’s how far He has removed our transgressions from us. I do not believe Todd to be leading people anywhere Jesus did not lead. God called David a man after His own heart, yet he murdered and committed adultery. I am not saying God condoned David’s actions, just that He is a God who forgives. He remembers that we are but dust…Blessings and love to you.

    Comment by Diane | May 22, 2008

  42. I want to tell you all something and this will be the last thing I say on this matter, hooray!! I was molested, and because of this abuse I did not get out here and molest other children as an adult or a child. But I was angry and I was bitter and most of all I was so mad at God for allowing that to happen to one so innocent until I was 33. What did Jesus say, “Woe to those who keep these little children from coming to me, better a milestone be hung around their necks.” See this kept me from God for many years. I was a misplaced child as I was no longer a child from the age of nine. As a child my mother used to have to put a paper bag over my face because I would hyperventilate all the time, and they never knew why. Why? Because this sin of the molester becomes the secret and sin of the child, as they are not equipped to handle it, and this is what they count on. Because of this silence this same molester molested again, so I carried that guilt around as I thought if I had of said something it would not have happened. After I had raised my children and I was about 47 years old, I swalloed 150 valium. I went to therapy at my expense, I checked myself into hospitals to get help, and this memory never left me. I could not take it anymore and I wanted to die. It was not until I was fifty years old, that I finally came to peace with it, as the only thing I remember about the suicide is the hand of God pulling death out of my throat. I do not mean just the physical death but the spiritual also. After that I have been okay. Did I fogive my molester, yes. Do I wonder what my life would have been if that had not of happened to me, yes. So all of you can be these so fogiving people but I am telling you there is a man out there in this world who was molested by Todd Bentley, and if he has not come to terms with it, his soul is just dieing!! Since everyone is ready to quote God’s word on this, read 1Timothy 3 and this is how people are to be who teaches the Word of God. Come to his defense and do what you want, but I will go on my knees daily for the one who is carrying around the sin of Todd Bentley, and that is that man who is walking today with something that happened to him, that in his wildest dreams he cannot understand why? This is so sickening to me. As I said not all children who were hurt as children, molested other children so that is not an excuse. The reason I am so against this he is in a position to come in contact with other children. This should not be, and I do not care in what form he is coming into contact with kids. Sandy

    Comment by Sandy | May 23, 2008

  43. the enemy does his best to blend and mix with those he seeks to destroy. he takes lies and coats them with a little bit of truth so that we may let our guards down.

    I think of the times I use a gummy bear or a jellybean to get my children to take there medicine. It works because I am able to make them focus on sugar and forget how awfull the medicine tastes.

    You may find it odd that I use my self as an example of how the devil works but that is exactly my point. he will never say hes the devil. he wil present himself as a friend, a parent,a pastor or in this case a ( healer ).

    It is not surprizing how many times I here people say that they are at odds with some of the things that todd says but they dont dare question if this is from God or not.

    I will always question any one who wants me to focus on angels, dreams and unbiblical and there fore unverifiable visions. The more I listen to this guy the more I am convinced that he needs to know the true Christ in a desparate way.

    I am also convinced that he is putting out giant spoonfulls of lies coated with a littlebit of truth for all those who wish to say Ahhhhhhh!!!!!

    AS for Me and My house we wil serve the Lord . not angels or dreames. All in favor say Amen.

    Comment by carlos | May 24, 2008

  44. The guy is a rapist of children. Child Molesters do not get delivered or healed.

    God destroyed Soddom and Gomorah because they were perverts. Most were Child Molesters and the false prophets conning everyone today think it’s okay ro have a child molester preach and con if he says he’s delivered.

    I’ll bet you Miss Franklin would not have David Duke preach in her church.

    Or would you Mariam? After all, as long as one calls themself a prophet, it’s okay to do wrong as long as you con everyone out of their money for your propaganda.

    Todd Bentley is a rapist; an admitted child rapist. He’s not delivered until he gets to heaven…if he gets there.

    Moira.

    Comment by Moira | May 27, 2008

  45. >>Child Molesters do not get delivered or healed

    Yes they do if they truly repent. Don’t you believe the gospel? I would have an ex anything anywhere, if I knew they were repentent and a true prophet and teacher.

    Who is David Duke?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 27, 2008

  46. May I add, that it isn’t in our judgement to cast stones on someones past. But I will say that if Todd hasn’t had a on that road to damascus experience, then he’s on a wrong road.
    If he is indeed on a wrong road and hasn’t seen recovery from his mistakes, if he hasn’t had that fear of the Lord for what he may have done, then he is carry that with him and it will ultimately ruin his ministry, even if he hasn’t repeated his mistakes.

    You have to deal with the roots, the strongholds of what binds people that made them commit such acts, to receive real liberty in Christ. Sometimes that means going back to the root cause of ones past, and discovering the foundation which was laid that caused them to do those things. This can go very deep, and should be dealt with, I know, as a lot of other people know what that is like.

    God can set people free from such foundation, tare it down and rebuild, that’s really the only way it can be done. And if Todd had a real salvation experience, that doesn’t mean he’s healed of the memories, that may effect him in his walk with God. Many times bitterness can set in, guilt, shame, discontentment, fear of rejection. All these things if not taken care of, will affect ones walk with God, and in turn effect a ministry, and the results aren’t good, even if one has good intentions.

    If Todd has got forgiveness and has made a turn in his life, and knows he will not repeat his mistakes, and God hasn’t done a complete inter healing of the things I listed, then that in turn it will show up in his work for God. This doesn’t mean he will necessarily repeat his mistakes, but that he’s carrying around all that baggage that of shame and guilt, and even unforgiveness. In other words the left overs of our mistakes, the things that leave deep impressions, scares in our spirit. It’s a misconception for a lot of people to think, well God has forgiven me and I’m saved now so I must be alright, the past is behind me. This is true to a point, you are forgiven, and in God’s eyes your past is wiped clean, but if we then don’t allow God to get rid of the left overs, then we’re stuck with them.

    The last thing anyone needs is people to stab knives in old wounds and open them back up, it’s just flat out cruel, I know I had that happen to me, and to be right honest, if there is no innerhealing, we often open them up ourselves and not know it. WE can hold ourselves in contempt, actually making ourselves pay for own mistakes, in ways we don’t even see, if God doesn’t tare down those strongholds in our life. There is also the misconception which people hold that says people repeat what was done to them, this is not the case for everyone, there is no one shoe size fits all. That’s psychology telling people that based on statistics, and it’s caused nothing but trouble and makes those who do, do right regardless, look bad and be judged, by the brainwashed society.

    Sad part of it all, is that now few would trust anyone that’s done such as what Todd has done. It’s part of the reaping and sowing we must do in our lives, and God is usually not in the worrying about what other people think, business, and we must still go on.

    So you can’t really base ones walk with God, and ones forgiveness of God in ones life based on what someone has done, you base it on Gods word, for Todd may still be in emotional healing mode. If Todd had a true conversion of forgiveness and excepted Jesus in his life, then he should show it by sticking to the words of God, and if he doesn’t it still doesn’t mean he’s doomed to repeat his mistakes.
    There’s been many people who don’t even believe in God who hasn’t repeated their mistakes.

    But only God can heal spiritual scares.

    Comment by Ron | May 27, 2008

  47. ThankU thankU thankU Todd for stepping out in faith knowing full well the mistakes that he made before Christ would come out. ThankU for loving Jesus so much that U would do this revival stuff to bless the nations. Here is a man who has known the dark night of the soul and he knows that His redeemer Lives ! Go for it Todd !!!!!!!!! as for these dispickable gossip mongers there will not be any room in heaven if they do not STOP this slander !

    SSTTOOPPTTHHEESSLLAANNDDEERR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    God knows everything !

    Comment by wisom4U | May 28, 2008

  48. I truely Find you Todd Bentley to be a pathetic excuse for a human. A self proclaimed Profitt MY ASS ! ! You are nothing more than a puss pocket on the face of true christianity that fills good people with your lies. I don;t know how you hipnotise others to believe all you forked tounge lies, but i am sure it is with the help of satan himself. The bible speaks of false profits and lord behold you apear…you are a fake and a foney and i prey god shows no mercy when he sends his wrath down apon you…….

    Comment by Melissa G. Coombs | May 29, 2008

  49. what is this false prophet going to say next god said to leave all your kids with me noooooooooooooot no wayyes god forgives there is a verse in the bilble that goes you are better of jumping into a lake with a millstoneon your neck then mess with a child of god

    Comment by steve | May 29, 2008

  50. God is gracoius, He has forgiven our sins by the cross, ask yourself those who critize, will you do the same? God bless you more Tod.

    Comment by Anton | May 29, 2008

  51. How can we not forgive Todd? We all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. We ask God to forgive us of our sins. A sin is a sin, to me one is not greater than the other. If I want God to forgive, I have and I must forgive. I AM NOT GOD AND IT IS NOT MY JOB TO JUDGE.

    Comment by Penny | May 31, 2008

  52. Yes, God forgives and forgets, yes, we need to forgive and to forget.

    This man however, needs to be stopped. No where in our Loving Bible does our Loving God and his son, Jesus, condone violence. The loving God that I serve would NEVER EVER ask ANYONE, to harm one of his creations. We are God’s children and he would never ask someone to harm one of his children. This person is speaking against everything that the Bible stands for.

    THE BIBLE SPECIFICALLY SPEAKS OUT AGAINST WOLVES IN SHEEPS CLOTHING, AND FALSE PROPHETS. THAT WE WOULD KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS. THIS GUYS IS SURELY A FALSE PROPHET AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FOLLOWING HIM ARE NOT LISTENING TO GOD’S VOICE.

    Comment by Phyllis | May 31, 2008

  53. Phyllis:

    I agree, their not hearing Gods voice at all, and I think it’s because they don’t want to. Or their not really one of Gods children to begin with and wouldn’t recognize Gods voice anyway. I also believe their purposely leaving out the Cross of Jesus Christ because they feel conviction from the Holy Spirit, when they talk about it, IF they indeed do talk about it, as I have never heard them say one single thing about JESUS and him crucified!! Oh yes they say the word Jesus but even that is diminishing. So over all no one is getting saved by the blood of Christ in Bentley’s meeting, so their actually receiving demonic spirits, and don’t think they are!

    The Holy spirit don’t and cannot move without the preaching of Jesus and him crucified, so something is taking the place of the Holy Spirit there!

    Comment by Ron | May 31, 2008

  54. Might I remind you that God turned Saul to Paul? I assure you that you are in fact, RIGHT NOW being judged for your judgemental attitude against Todd. Your life probably really sucks, and you can’t figure out why!? Because when YOU judge, YOU GET JUDGED. All of your own sinfulness you are being judged for RIGHT NOW. Because YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW. Todd Bentley has changed and God is using Him…he is not standing around pointing fingers at others trying to point out their faults and sinfulness, or ESPECIALLY THEIR PAST MISTAKES THAT THEY HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN FOR. He KNOWS the depth of his OWN depravity! Maybe it is time for you to take a look at your own sinfulness and realize that YOU need the grace and mercy of God just like Todd Bentley does. WE ALL DO! May God open your eyes to the fact that YOU ARE THE ONE AT ENMITY WITH HIM FOR BEING JUDGEMENTAL! K, THANKS! BYE!

    Comment by digitalnomad777 | May 31, 2008

  55. Id like to point out just 1 little fact that is profound here. This bald-headed-biker-from-Hickton-Canada-with-satanic-tattoos-and-jewelry is unique in history in that as a public figure he claims more heavenly interation than all the characters in the bible put together. NOONE HAS CLAIMED NEARLY THE INTERACTION, AND HE CAN DO IT AT WILL!!!. Simple common sense logic would tell you he is either hallucinating or just plain lieing. The most logical conclusion is he is bald-faced lieing. And he’s up there on stage guffawing about it! “My goodness these fools are gullible! And I’m taking their money! Ha ha ha!” “Blah-blah-blah, Bam!!” “Oh yeah, and let me kick that elderly lady in the face while I’m at it! What FOOLS!” Avoid this nonesense! Flee from the evil one!

    Comment by Louis | June 1, 2008

  56. Especially you digitalnoman777, if that is your real name.

    Comment by Louis | June 1, 2008

  57. Firstly, I have not met Todd in person nor have I been to any of his meetings. I have only viewed him online and read blogs and comments about him and his ministry and who he is connected too. One of the many scriptures that come to mind with reference to Todd Bentley is “be ye imitators of Christ”. And for all the reading and viewing of this man I see no visible imitation of Christ. I see a man who speaks very irreverently; speaks of chumming with angels and astral projection with biblical patriarchs and kicks elderly women in the face all in the name of healing. Now being an imitator of Jesus, one would first have to read the scriptures and learn what Jesus did when he walked the face of the earth. I still have yet to find were Jesus (aside from putting the Devil in his place and overturning moneychanger tables in the temple) used violence to heal people or where he chummed with angels and patriarchs. I mean yes, there is the transfiguration and his dialogue with the devil/demons but Jesus certainly did not have the extensive interaction that Todd Bentley claims to have. One would think the Son of God, who is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end would speak of such things when he was here on earth after all he was there before Abraham and after him. God the Father sent Jesus into the world to be his witness and yet Jesus did not speak of the half the experiences that Todd speaks of. Now getting back to “be ye imitators of Christ” it doesn’t appear that Todd teaches much of this to the thousands that flock to his meetings. One has to question why not? Perhaps it’s because those who attend are bored of the every day in and outs of simple Christianity (so simple a child is supposed to understand it) and instead prefer signs and wonders and teachings that tickle their ears or appease their emotions (the flesh). I believe Jesus called that a “perverse generation”. Todd is there and able to continue with these meetings (his ministry) because we as Christians (not all Christians) want him there.

    Comment by onethatquestions | June 2, 2008

  58. Excellent points.

    Comment by Louis | June 2, 2008

  59. Just because Jesus didn’t talk about it does not mean it didn’t happen. And you have listed several MAJOR instances where people ommunicated with angels and saints of old.

    Jesus also said in John 3:12

    “I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?”

    He didn’t talk about it because he knew that those who really believed and seek him would find him and the revelation they were looking for…just like John did. The Glory of the latter house is SUPPOSED to be greater than the former house. You just don’t experience it because you are UNBELIEVING IN YOUR HEART. If you don’t believe, you won’t receive!

    May God give you grace and humility to seek him with all of your heart, and not just stop when you get uncomfortable. The things of the Bible are MYSTERIES…just like OUR GOD. WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE GOD. Hebrews 11:6

    Comment by digitalnomad777 | June 2, 2008

  60. Any true spirit filled believer nows that whom the Son Sets Free is Free indeed. Anyone who doubts God’s ability to use a person who at one time was a pedophile does not know or believe the true message of the Gospel. Is any of us beyond the reach of God’s mercy? Certainly not!! God loves taking those whos past even as wicked as it may have been and use them for His Glory. If anyone be in Christ behold, old things are past away, all things become knew.

    Comment by Pastor Bryan | June 3, 2008

  61. Pastor Bryan, did you miss something? This whole blog is about forgiving his past! Of course then you don’t make him the nurseryschool teacher on the other hand. The things we objest to is his present teachings.

    Digitalnoman777, one thing I really object to is a New Age guru like Todd coming into the Christian church and claiming more heavenly experiences than all the people in the whole bible combined. That would just be retarded to believe that load of crap. I’m just not that stoopid my friend (if you are my friend). Todd is a plain old liar, and he even switches around his dates and other stuff in his wild stories. He’s making this stuff up as he goes. Get on the side of us good-guys, digital.

    Comment by Louis | June 3, 2008

  62. What is all this gossip about? Why must we condem those who praise and worship Jesus? The bible tells us we will be condemed for our love of Christ. Jesus said the healthy do not need the doctor. Sinners need Christ. Who is free of sin? Todd is helping many who need healing of body and soul through Jesus. How can that be wrong? I join the thousands of faithful who are at this revival to praise God!

    Comment by Jean | June 4, 2008

  63. Ok, given that when you get saved, you’re forgiven by God and changed. One problem: he’s obviously not saved. Watch his videos and compare them with scripture.

    Comment by David | June 5, 2008

  64. Well I tell you what, if he is actually getting people in touch with demons by teaching trances and getting up with new age angels like emma and swift and crew then he is actually not giving people jesus but big problems with demons. Plus he’s a bigtime liar, so why do you want to expose yourself to a mess like that? U r decieved in this case. I feel sorry for you and the thousands. Don’t resist God.

    Comment by Louis | June 5, 2008

  65. Jesus said “Come unto me all ye who are heavy laden and I will give you rest. Take my yolk upon you and I will give you rest for my yolk is easy and my burden is light.” He did not say come to me and I will kick you in the teeth, or jump on your head or if you are an old lady worshipping kick you with my Dr Marten boots. The Holy Spirit is a dove not a Rotweiler.

    Comment by Chris Shepherd | June 5, 2008

  66. just a quick note, before we judge todd, jesus loved judas, and by the way judas was one of the twelve who moved in power of holy ghost. Jesus loved the adultrous woman, the tax collector, also forgave peter who denied him not once but 3 times, saul (murderer of christians) who is an author in the holy scriptures.

    Comment by ron osborne | June 12, 2008

  67. You say don’t condem Todd for his past . That is true we all have one of those !!! But please understand it’s not a matter of condemnation but I stress a matter of truth and proper judgement and for that we are all held responsible. Before you go on and stone me please take the time to read 1st Timothy 4 v 1, Mark 13 v 22-23, Matthew 7 v 21-23, 2nd Thessalonians 2 v 9-12. You see church raising the dead and wonderous signs do not always mean our Father God Almighty is working through his Holy Spirit !!!! For some reason the modern Pentacostal , evangelical Church has abandoned the foundation of Christ our Lord and His promise to build His Church according to His plan and purpose. We have stepped in with our wills opening the doors to that which is not of God. Following Christ has a cost. That cost begins with repentance and to that the Church needs to return. Back to carrying your cross day by day renewing your relationship with God Almighty and back in His always loving arms. Seek Him and His kingdom. Truly do and I’m sure you will end in a place miles away from there . Your brother in Christ Dave .

    Comment by Dave McGeoch | June 16, 2008

  68. Dave – I am a Pentacostal – filled with the Spirit of God. I believe in the FULL Gospel of Christ. I believe what Jesus said – “heal the sick, cleanse the leper, raise the dead – freely receive and freely give.” It was not an option – it was a command that Jesus gave. What part of that don’t you understand?

    Comment by Dance4Jesus | June 16, 2008

  69. a warning – i was a pentecostal until now. I have been being decieved for the last year and a half, why, because i was seeking “more of God”. I left a good bible teaching church cus they didnt believe in the gifts. After i left i heard “elim elim elim” in my head. i looked up google and found an elim church. (note- didnt test)I had only been to elim once, and the next morning i opened bagsters daily light, it read something like this, come out from among them and be ye separate. it caused me a bit of trouble but i went on knowing that if it was God then i would have to be humiliated and tell the people who i had told of Gods guidance to go to elim. Stiff necked i remained until a few weeks ago i started getting deeply troubled about this revival, previously God had told me the truth on my heart -”seekest thou great things for thyself” and “these people draw near to me with their lips and not their hearts”. sobering!!! i was humiliated but now know the lesson to learn to avoid mistake – Wait on God, do not presume because a voice in head says something that its God, if a verse disturbs you in the direction you are going wait and pray asking for guidance. ie humble yourself, something i didnt do. During the year and half at the elim the bible was being attacked in my mind, the “light” seemed good but there was a subtle darkness. The deception is not going to be point blank obvious, but “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge says the Lord”. If you read bible and do research on bently or perhaps on branham first you will see they are false. note i firmly believe we are to cast out demons, heal the sick etc. but just because there are signs doesnt mean its real. Jesus asked that we be sanctified in truth and said “Your Word is truth”. Scripture is important, and in my experience it gives life if read in reliance upon God. Jesus did say “these words i speak unto you, they are Spirit and life”. Its also recorded in revelation that the testemoney of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy, therefore every word of prophecy must be inline with what Jesus (the Word) has told us. Read joel, what is the endtimes army? in amplified – heathen army!!!!!
    So therefore this move and others existing supporting it all claim to be heathen!!!

    Comment by Stephen Campbell | June 17, 2008

  70. Stephen,

    I understand completely what you are saying. I was Pentacostal for over 25 years, believing, living the teachings and ways of the Pentacostals would bring me “more of God.” My money was sowed to many places and the only one who got richer were the one’s promising me a blessing from God if I did. Then I realized it is up to God what our blessings are going to be and we give to be obedient not to expect anything in return. I realized I had to believe with all of my heart God is my Father and would take care of my needs, not because of what I did or do, but because He loves me.

    We should not judge the sins or heart of anyone that is true and that is also for God to do. Jesus said though, “We would be known by our fruits.” When we see an apple hanging on a pear tree something is wrong. We are all gifted with a spirit of discernment so that we can tell what is of God and what is not of God. That same spirit also convicts us of our sins, which if we did not have it we would never know if we have sinned against God or not, or if anyone else is.

    If we discern in our spirits that what we hear or see is not of God, then we do have the right to go far from the tree that is producing wrong fruit, and the right to say something about it. This is not a judgment on the sins of others, it is simply stating, “This fruit is not of God.”

    God is a very Holy and Sacred God. This is the God which we worship and we should all go to Him in holiness and humility. He is the Creator not us. We are the creation.
    “No one knows the mind of God,” and knowing this we have no right to say what God will do for us or others, except that He loves us all. Our blessings again, belong to God, and it is up to Him to distribute them as He deems not us. But before He will do anything the individual must have faith in Him, and not waste the blessings and grace He bestows on each of us. We never know the measure of someone’s faith. So to tell someone “you will receive this or that from God” is wrong. All that we know for sure is God loves all of us. Signed I just want to worship God in peace and in the stillness and quietness of my heart and soul.

    Comment by Sandy | June 20, 2008

  71. I apologize to everyone for writing again so soon, but I had a visit from the Holy Spirit and was told to write this. “All these people want more of Me, and everything regarding Me hung on the Cross and that is Me, Your God, in my entirety. It is all of My Love, My Mercy, My Grace, and My forgiveness, that was freely given to you at the price of the life of My Son, and cost you nothing. That is My fullness and My Completeness and there is no more to give to you, as when My Son said, “It is finished” it was done. He consummated all of My children to Me, and rose to justify you. I look at all of you through the eyes of the Cross, through the Blood, Body, Soul and Divinity of My Son. Through every wound of My Son, I look at you, for if I did not, I would destroy the world. If You want the fullness of Me, then you go to the foot of the Cross, for not one hair on your heads, will get to Me, but through and by My Son. No man or woman, no pastor nor teacher brings you to Me. My Son told you, “That no one gets to the Father but by Me.” Yet you do not listen and place your faith in man, doctrine, and religion. My fullness is in no man, doctrine, or religion. I gave to all of you all of Me, in My Son. I wrote a Book for you through the Prophets and Apostles. I gave each and every one of you My Word. Yet you still cry for more. I am your God, and I am the God of Israel.”

    People if you have a gripe with this, take it up with God, not me. Sorry He just placed this in my spirit and told me to write it.

    Comment by Sandy | June 21, 2008

  72. I wonder,if Todd was not a real Christian/evangelist, why are people being healed, giving all the glory to Jesus, Todd does too, why are people watching on TV, laying hands on their loved ones with them when a word of knowledge and their loved one gets healed? How can someone call a loved one on the cell phone and pray for their healing and they get healed? There are documented proofs of these miracles,doctors confirming it. Why does God himself validate this ministry if it’s not of Him? I think we all need to seek God a little more and get answers to these questions. I will not call God’s power, Beelzebub. I don’t have the all the answers but i will give the glory to God.
    As far as his past, the blood of Jesus covers that, thank God for the cross. Let’s pray for the little boy (now man) and his family as they need healing and to forgive Todd, in order to be healed themselves.That’s how it works. And Jesus made it to where we could have a future despite our sinful past…we can be set free from sin and death. We don’t have to be condemned to a life of torment because of our sins.
    Like I said, there’s a lot I don’t know, but I will give God the praise for the thousands/millions HE IS TOUCHING all over the world.To God be the glory, not man or any ministry.

    Comment by Janelle Dennison | June 21, 2008

  73. Janelle,

    If indeed these people are being healed it has nothing to do with if Todd is a “real Christian/evangelist” or not. It has nothing to do with anyone out there or in the world. If one becomes healed of any illness it is because of “God’s mercy” and God’s mercy alone. None of us have to go to Lakeland Florida to receive that. God’s blessings Janelle are never about us, it is all about God. There are many many good and holy people who have died that God chose not to heal, and call them home to Him. There are many that He has healed. But it is never because of anyone on this earth that God shows His grace to us. It is because He loves us and because of what His Son did for us. Be sure of one thing, it is all because of God’s glory and His glory alone. There is nothing happening in Lakeland that cannot happen in our own living rooms, if we choose to trust God enough, and trust that His will for all of us is the perfect will. It is not about what we want, it is about what God sees is the best for us. Sometimes He calls us home, sometimes we suffer, and sometimes we are healed. If it is in His hands no matter what, it is the very best. God should be given all the glory but not only because we see healings. God needs to be given glory when we see nothing, hear nothing, or feel nothing. When one can do that, that is true worship of God, and that is a healing that no physical healing can hold up to. That boils down to faith and trust that He is always with us, no matter what we do/do not feel, hear/do not hear.

    Comment by Sandy | June 24, 2008

  74. If you cant find an example of something being done in the bible run from it like the plague! Every false religion we have today takes one scripture here and one scripture there and comes up with a new thing that GOD is doing! Never do they back up thier falacy by reading the word in context.Deceit is a subtle thing that is why it is called deceit. Satan knows the word better than we do and knows how to use it to his advantage. It is strange to me that JESUS would cast a demon out of a person who had epilepsy and now people are supposedly getting knocked on the ground by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT and recieving epileptic like seezures! Would someone please show me an example of this in GODS word! While Im rambling on may I point out a couple more glarring discrepancys! Todd Bentley and his commrades, the whole bunch of “prophets and apostles” preach that there is going to be a great revival, nations will come to JESUS and then JESUS can take his rightful place ruling the earth. Once again could someone lead me to this new bible, because I have looked and looked in my bible and cant find this anywhere! In my bible it does say there will be a great falling away! Also we are told that there will be thousands of prophets unleashed on the planet to get the church in line so JESUS can come back and take his prepaired seat! Funny that in my bible it says that JESUS says there will be many false prophets that will decieve MANY! Matt.24 It also says in this same chapter that many will come in my name saying I am CHRIST and will decieve many, so much for the idea that if you say JESUS you have to be saved. Catholic priests use the name of JESUS every day, they also pray to Mary! As far as Todds past, we should be very careful that our motives in bringing something like this up are right! Now having said that His present pretty much says that he needs to repent! If a person doesnt hold GODS word in reverence and it does not bother him to throw GODS word out the window and replace it with Todds word how can you trust that he is saved! I for one cant and I might also ask by what power source is he knocking people down and GETTING DRUNK IN THE SPIRIT! THIS IS PLAIN AND SIMPLY DISGUSTING TO ME! These people have created so many false doctrines that there is not enough time or space to deal with them. All you who follow Todd Bently and any of his apostolic friends, be prepaired, you will eventually be called on to do harm to all of us who are sounding the alarm! Lest you think this is a joke check some of his buddies out, Rick Joyner, Bob Jones, Francis Frangipane. Have you ever heard of civil war in the church, another scripturaL gem. This is a warning, these men will lead you straight to the antichrist, get off the bus while you still can!

    Comment by Vince | June 26, 2008

  75. Hey Vince sounds like you need a little Holy Ghost excitement in your life!!!! Have you ever heard of the day of pentecost when people were saying “These men are drunk” Yes they were ……. in the Holy Ghost!! Recieve ye the Holy Ghost which will bring you power to descern the diffrence between real Holy Ghost movement and those that are not!! You ever heard Jesus say “Greater works than I do shall ye do”???!!!! Now tell me ALL i’ve wrote here is not the bible… You can’t!! God bless you all and I pray your spiritual eyes will be opened so you will be able to stand in these last days, “cause without his power you are not gonna be able to stand!!!

    Comment by Jeff | June 26, 2008

  76. Vince……..God bless you my brother for sounding the alarm!!!!!!! Thank God too for Miriam, and all the rest of the brethren here who raise up their voices to testify to the TRUTH! So many sit on their spiritual fence, so afraid to speak against such obvious blasphemy, heresy and antichrist spirits, God have mercy! You are totally right about the motive behind our words, they must come from a heart of love & compassion for those who are being abused, and the abusers….or else we are no better than Pharisees. The spirit behind the majority of people who post here is one of love for the lost & deceived, we are to speak God’s truth in love to the people, but BLAST the antichrist actions with righteous anger! Expose the works of darkness, because Jesus shed His precious blood for everyone, He loved us while we were yet sinners…..remember He had compassion on all,and healed every person He met who was in need, but He BLASTED the money-changers & those that sold doves and goats in the temple and drove them out with a whip of cords, furious about the temple of God being turned into a house of merchandise……and that is exactly what Lakeland is, making a dollar off His Holy name and selling His supposed “annointing” for as much as they can, for as I’ve heard them say during the fleecing, I mean “offering”…. you’ll receive from God only as much as you’re willing to pay the monetary price for it……….oh my Lord, just typing this makes me want to puke….enough. Those of us who love TRUTH will continue to speak up, out & LOUD because the Holy Spirit within us is so grieved…..we are truly in the last days. Even so, the Spirit and the Bride say Come! Come quickly Lord Jesus! Maranatha!

    Comment by Theresa S. | June 26, 2008

  77. >> All you who follow Todd Bently and any of his apostolic friends, be prepaired, you will eventually be called on to do harm to all of us who are sounding the alarm!

    You are so right, the time is coming and soon. I was thinking the other night that the persecution we will face will be at the hands of ‘christians’ thinking they are doing God’s will by removing us because we are ‘in the way’ of this new ‘wineskin’ – what an awful picture to behold, what a horrid thought it was. But it’s coming, and those who scoff at this thought are the ones who are going to be doing the persecuting. You might not think so now, but carry on in this vile deception and soon you will be so branwashed that you will do whatever these false prophets/anti-christs tell you too.

    Comment by Deborah | June 26, 2008

  78. in fact change the word ‘brainwashed’ to ‘anointed’

    Comment by Deborah | June 26, 2008

  79. Jeff, Holy Ghost excitement, Hmm, where pray tell is that found in scripture? I always notice when someone is wrong about something they cant focus on answering the questions put before them. I have not said one thing that is unbiblical. Once again I challenge you to show me where any of these signs are biblical. I guess JESUS casting the demon out of the epileptic wasnt as powerful as giving it back to someone! I also challenge you to answer either one of the discrepancies that I pointed out in my last post. Another thing just so you dont think all that I said is a coincidence, a couple of months ago I saw a flyer sent in the mail for people to go to the glory conference to “THE SECRET PLACE” I cant remember exactly who were there but I believe it was Mr.Goll, Jill Austin, Todd Bently, among others. What jumped right off the page was THE SECRET PLACE. Matt.24:26 Where in scripture does it tell anyone to learn about the Holy Spirit. It does however say that the Spirit will testify of Jesus, it also says he will not testify of himself. If you believe all of the garbage that these men and women are teaching you probably also find it tremendous that Rick Warren is teaming up with Tony Blair in his faith foundation, another step towards this one world religion that will soon have its strings pulled by the antichrist. If you are going to throw out part of scripture you just as well burn the whole book. And yes When the bible says we will do even greater things I believe that ,but it must be within the guidelines already set up. If you will notice most people who witnessed the apostles were in awe at the power of GOD,only the scoffers were saying that they were drunk. Since when in the bible do we take the word of scoffers. The guidelines are as follows Mark 16:17-18. Not one word of binding and looseing, epileptic seezures, drunkeness, or a circus freak show that tends to follow Todd, Rodney, Kilpatric and many others. Maybe you want to go and get an impartation from these people, I choose to follow the written word which is Christ, and recieve the Holy Spirit, which is of power love and a SOUND MIND! THE WORD, THE WORD, THE WORD! We have a whole bible full of men and women of GOD doing wonderful things in his name, why is it human nature to try to add or take away from GODS word, as if He just forgot a few things or maybe He just put too much in that darn book. Foolishness! I dont cherish quoting Adolph Hitler but this is one that he was an expert on,”the only people who can be decieved are those who want to be”. I dont want to end with a quote from this man so lets end it with a quote from a truly great man,”For the Lord is good His mercy and loving kindness are everlasting, His faithfulness and truth endure to all generations! King David.

    Comment by Vince | June 27, 2008

  80. Vince have YOU ever heard the scripture “whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatsoever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven???? So why you say there’s no scripture on binding or loosening??? And the people who shake DO NOT have epilepsy, my gosh are you that decieved yourself to think that! I am an ordained, Holy Ghost filled baptised by water and also by fire and I’ve experienced the Holy Ghost and every time the Holy Ghost rises up in me it’s all I can do to be still so why do you judge another just because you don’t act that way!! That’s what’s wrong with the church today MAN’S opinion!! Everyone’s got one but I want you to know one thing I for MYSELF back everything I hear by the word…. If it doesn’t match the word then I throw it out and don’t recieve it. The WORD say’s study to show yourself aproved HUH????? And by the way I got my impartation from JEHOVA GOD AKA JESUS CHRIST AKA HOLY GHOST I need no impartation of men I also need no man to guide me who to listen to or believe I let the HOLY GHOST do that!!! Now what other questions u want answered???

    Comment by Jeff | June 27, 2008

  81. Acts 4:31- And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were ALL filled with the HOLY GHOST, and they spake the word of God with boldness. How mant more scriptures do you need about the earth being shaken??????? Do you not know that we are the earth…. we were and are made of earth in the image of the GREAT GOD JEHOVA!!!! Praise the name of Jesus!!!! Thy will be done IN earth as it is in heaven!!! IN EARTH, not on earth we are the earth!!!!!! GLORY TO THE NAME OF JESUS!!!!!!

    Comment by Jeff | June 27, 2008

  82. Jeremiah 10:2_ Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and BE NOT DISMAYED at the signs of heaven; for the HEAThEN are dismayed at them…..?????

    Matthew 11:29- Jesus said “take my yoke upon you, and learn of me”!!!! You can’t learn of Jesus without learning of the Father and the Holy Ghost because they are one!!!!! AMEN!!!!!

    Comment by Jeff | June 27, 2008

  83. Jeff, really, I can tell that you will not look for yourself to answer any of the questions put forth. When did I mention the earth shaking. What does that have to do with either of my posts? I find it hard to follow your train of thought. It seems to me that you are getting angry. It is not my intention to get you angry, it is my however my desire that you use the mind GOD has given you. Also please give me just one example of JESUS,Paul,or anyone else anywhere in the bible binding or loosing anything. The only example of that is in the near future when Jesus binds satan and throws him into the pit. Im sorry Jeff but you have not given me biblical, contextual answers to any point I have brought up. And by the way are you calling me a heathen. I have not and will not engage in this. Dont get angry just answer my questions, Im certainly not infallible, if you can prove me wrong I will be the first to say so. Jeff, JESUS does love and care about you, but He will not bend His word to serve our purposes. Take a good hard look at your bookshelf and or list of programs you watch on supposedly christian tv and then read 2Tim.4:3-4.It just seems peculiar to me that today we want to put such emphasis on experience yet do not see written by Jesus, Paul, or anyone else having the same experiences that are claimed today.

    Comment by Vince | June 27, 2008

  84. Jeff, just a quick question, if the Holy Spirit is THE ANOINTING one gets when your are truly saved, then why are you seeking after other ‘anointings’ when there is only ONE and you received this already as mentioned above?

    Comment by Deborah | June 27, 2008

  85. Deb when did I say I seek another anointing??? I already have the only anointing I need. I took on the yoke of Jesus like he told me to. I was anointed of God to preach the gospel to every creature. I have signs and wonders following ME, NOT ME following them!!!! I just do what Jesus told me to do….. Heal the sick, cast out devils and preach the gospel of the kingdom!! You guys are the ones who put down people for their beliefs not me. My bible says let every man work out his OWN salvation with fear and trembling and let the tares grow with the wheat and when Jesus comes back HE will seperate them…… AMEN???? God bless you for doing what you believe in but you have to stand in front of God for it, just like I will for what I believe!! God bless u all!!!!

    Comment by Jeff | June 28, 2008

  86. Isaiah 61:1- The spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to BIND up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound.

    If thats not binding and loosening I will quit peaching!! I just want you to see Vince that no one is perfect in what they belive okay….. Only Jesus was perfect and he didn’t even claim it. God bless you Vince.

    Comment by Jeff | June 28, 2008

  87. Jeff first of all your compairing apples and oranges. I dont believe you misunderstood what I was saying. You are once again dancing around the issue. If I have to clarify myself I will. By binding and looseing Im referring to the false doctrine of binding and loosing demons or satan. You know what I was talking about, you refuse to show an example of this being done anywhere in scripture, because there is no such example. Just as you have not answered the false teaching of a great last days revival and nations turning to JESUS before He comes back to take His seat on the throne that has been prepaired for him. Also Jeff if you believe these things and stand behind such things as Stacy Campbells head shaking prophecy then do us all a favor and please quit preaching. If you dont condone these things and dont stand behind them then I apologize and stand corrected. This will be the last comment I have to you I hope and pray you open your eyes and see the truth. I do want to add that I appriciate this site as it has helped me to see some things I must do. Being quiet will no longer do. The only thing I would ask of all who see things as they are is that you pray for me as I do have logs to get out of my eyes . I do not in any way want to seem or be self righteous, without the sacrifice JESUS made for me I am nothing. May GOD bless all of you in JESUS holy name amen.

    Comment by Vince | June 29, 2008

  88. No Vince your right….. the bible says nothing about us having POWER over the enemy, it says nothing about this being a war of the spirit it only speaks of fleshly battles not of spirirtual wickedness in high places. The prison Isaiah spoke of that I gave you is a physical prison right that requies physical activity to be loosened from. Binding devils is in the word.

    Matthew 10:8 JESUS said “Heal the sick, cleanse the leapers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have recieved, freely give.

    I dont guess by your definition that is binding but it sounds like it to me????

    Bind- To place under obligation or compulsion????

    So now what else do I need to do to show you that the word BIND can mean to cast out. You are just making a play on words because you have nothing else to go on. I have not and do not condone the worship of Angels or anything but the Worship OF GOD the trinity!!!!! I do hear and see Bently giving ALL the praise to Jesus. Do you not know the word of God says you can’t call Jesus the son of God except by the spirit and it must be revealed to anyone BY THE SPIRIT!!!! You know the only thing I’m gonna say is to you all “Touch not my anointed and do my prophets no harm” If your right your O K if not woe be unto you. If this is not of God it will come to nill and if not it will explode. If it were possible the very elect would be decieved but that aint possible AMEN and God Bless You Vince and ALL!!!!

    Comment by Jeff | June 29, 2008

  89. Hi Jeff,

    The reason I asked that question was not because you said you were seeking another anointing, but because this is what Todd imparts – anointings. And because you are standing up for Todd one can only deduce that you believe Todd’s transferable anointing are of God. Right? Wrong?

    Hence if there is only one anointing which is the Holy Spirit and Christians have this, how can you stand up for Todd as he passes out an anointing to Christians for they have the Holy Spirit already?

    Comment by Deborah | June 29, 2008

  90. Jeff,

    Jeff, you wrote:

    Binding devils is in the word.

    Matthew 10:8 JESUS said “Heal the sick, cleanse the leapers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have recieved, freely give.

    I dont guess by your definition that is binding but it sounds like it to me????

    Bind- To place under obligation or compulsion????

    To cast out devils is not to bind them. Nowhere in scripture will you see that we bind (or loose) devils [If you look at the contexts of both Matthew 16:19 & Matthew 18:18 you'll see these have nothing to do with spiritual warfare or demons.]. Spiritual warfare is done in the Heavenly realm. For the Christian, our instructions are in Ephesians 6:12-18, 1 Peter 5:8-9 and James 4:7. The Word is our sword — just like Jesus did with Satan in the desert — and we are to resist the devil.

    This whole aberrant spiritual warfare teaching by C. Peter Wagner and Cindy Jacobs at best keeps Christians preoccupied from doing something we should rather be doing. At worst, it keeps Christians playing in the demonic realm. I’ve read somewhere that in some of these spiritual warfare practices Christians are actually performing ritual magick or Satanic rites thinking they are Christian. In so doing — again, by what I read online a while back — they are actually intensifying the demonic presence.

    Comment by Lee | June 30, 2008

  91. When I encounter anyone that is oppressed or posessed by a demon or devil I do not engage in conversation with them. I do not let them control the situation. I cast them out in the name of Jesus not in the name of Jeff or Paul or Mark, Luke or John. That is very dangerous ok. Sometimes they do not go freely. “THIS KIND COMES OUT ONLY WITH PRAYER AND FASTING” So we “BIND” them which is only a play on word. In other word we prohibit them from using their power like commanding them to “Hold their peace” just as Jesus did. He bound (BIND) them from speaking anymore. Do you not understand. Just because the word BIND is not used but compelled is, it’s the same thing man.

    Now Debroah I did not say that I back Bently in ALL he says or does, but I do back his right that God has given him to preach the gospel, raise the dead, heal the sick, cast out devils. I also support your right to speak out against it Amen. I pray for you both and hope Gos will reveal who is one the straight and narrow. I will say this since Todd has started getting people to go to the doctor and prove their healings it’s shut up alot of critics and now they’re looking up more junk on him just to try make themselves feel better. AKA What he did when he was 14 yrs old. Let him that is without sin cast the first stone????? Be very careful God may reveal something to one of his prophets about you guys who do this and have them post it on here!!!! God bless you ALL!!!

    Comment by Jeff | June 30, 2008

  92. Guess I answered everyone’s questions!!!! Praise God!!!!

    Comment by Jeff | July 1, 2008

  93. Jeff I said that I was not going to respond to you again but I changed my mind. First of all you have not answered anyones questions! Also Jeff you may not engage in conversation with demons but your apostolic friends do it continually! BINDING princepalities and powers, such as those over cities. A practice nowhere mentioned in the bible! If you will notice that practice started also by distorting scripture. Daniel prayed and fasted to get an answer from GOD, he did not talk to the prince of Persia. GOD sent the angel, the angel was held up by the prince of persia, so Michael came to help the angel. Thus Daniels prayers were answered by GOD. Notice Daniel prayed and by praying,I mean talking to GOD! If you want to wage spiritual warfare TALK TO GOD! NOT TO DEMONS! NOTHING IS DONE THAT DOES NOT GET GODS APPROVAL! Lam.3:37-40. You Jeff and all of your apostolic friends have never been given the authority or the responsibility of taking down demons casting out yes, but not casting down! You have been given however the privalidge to talk to your creator and most importantly the FREE GIFT OF ETERNAL SALVATION! Now anyone can take any scripture in the bible, cluster it up with any number of other scriptures and distort the whole book. You tell us to be careful,as we should, Im saying to you, you be careful, changing GODS word and leading people astray is very serious! One of the things that is glarringly obvious is that when people who believe false teaching and are pushed into a corner always resort to scare tactics. “One of these prophets may reveal something about you guys” the ever popular TOUCH NOT THINE ANNOINTED. It is strange Jeff,you have used both! I have never heard my pastor say TOUCH NOT THINE ANNOINTED and many people have told him they disagree with him, he simply tells us all to check all of his preaching with the word of GOD. I might also add that if he is shown to be wrong about something he will humbly say I stand corrected. Anyone who discourages being put under the microscope of the word is to be avoided like the plague! On the day Todd was given his “COMMISION” there was plainly, at best, fleshly activity going on on that stage at worst DEMONIC activity! Every person on that stage stands by and with every action that went on! One of the king daddys standing there Rick Joyner advocates and promotes such behavior, not surprising though, he has stated in his book that JESUS became man only for a little while, but he is now spirit. Why does he dance so close to the edge of having the spirit of antichrist. 1JOHN4:1-4 Jeff remember this when it happens, and it will, these fine false prophets of yours are going to come to you one day and demand payment, you will be told to crush all people who stand in thier way! They will say just as Jehu trampled Jezebel under the hooves of his horse, you must also do the same to all of US who have the spirit of Jezebel, which is really the spirit of Baal, which is a religious spirit! This of course is HOGWASH! None the less if you ride this train to the end you will see yourself doing this to GODS people. Jeff you may think Im being antagonistic but Im not! I have 2 parents whom I love very dearly who have 100 books by these people, I also know that they love JESUS and will see the truth about them, they do not hold many of the beliefs of these false prophets such as the view of the last days, but things happen subtelly. My dad who for years would only read the bible now has a whole pile of these books. He is not far enough down the trail that he wont listen to what I have to say. My mom on the other hand has been at this for a long time and strongly dislikes apologetics of any kind. Why? To be perfectly honest human nature hates to be wrong, and if you continue hanging out with a certain group of people you tend to take on thier beliefs. To make a long story short {to late for that} I am not argueing for the sake of argueing. I wish I was the one who was wrong, this is not easy for me. But GODS WORD IS GODS WORD NOT YOU, NOR I, NOR MY PARENTS, HAVE ANY RIGHT TO CHANGE IT IN ANY WAY! I pray that you, as my mom and dad and many others will see these false prophets for who they are! Matt.24:10-11,22-26

    Comment by Vince | July 1, 2008

  94. Vince, God bless you for speaking and being a lover of truth, the Holy Infallible Word of God and the Lord Jesus Christ. My prayers are for your parents to come out of deception and into the truth in Christ. Stay strong & keep contending for the faith…….Maranatha!

    Comment by Theresa S. | July 1, 2008

  95. To Jeff…..one question. Do you have a problem with the Holy Spirit being referred to as “the sauce”, also being called an “it”, telling God to “marinate” people, blast ‘em with it like he’s playing with an invisable tazer gun? I could go on, but for some reason, I don’t think wasting my time with further examples of Bentley & Company’s blaspemies would be worth the time it would take to type them all out. How can this even REMOTELY glorify the Lord Jesus?? Can you not see the absolute DANGER of treating the Holy Spirit this way?? And yes, I will stand before the Lord and answer for this, and I have no fear because I serve a HOLY GOD, not a plaything to be tossed about like a toy. Think about it….God bless you Jeff.

    Comment by Theresa S. | July 1, 2008

  96. Whoever said I was associated with anyone is an utter liar. I am associated with God! I will say this one more time I DO NOT SUPPORT ALL TODD BENTLY DOES OR SAYS!!!!!! I DO SUPPORT THE WORD OF GOD!!! Hey Vince do you mean an ANGEL actualy came and talked to Daniel???? My God he must be one of these radical Todd Bently followers!!!!! Man are you off the deep end. You need to have a little talk with Jesus yourself and see if he’ll take care of your Judgemental Spirit that you have Vince!! God Bless!!!

    Comment by Jeff | July 2, 2008

  97. And as for Teresa do you know the bible was translated in the 1600’s. Do we still use the word thou, thy, willist, standeth and so on???? Todd is doing what Paul commanded to become as the people are so he can reach them. To use there terminology….. The words or language they use if you don’t understand terminology. Those are just words of the 21st century my gosh!! He’s not changing Gods word and if he tries to the real Christians (the ones who knows Gods voice and a stranger they will not follow) will know it’s bougus!!!!! God Bless Ya Teresa

    Comment by Jeff | July 2, 2008

  98. Jeff,

    The Holy Spirit is part of the Triune Godhead and He should always be referred to as a capitalized personal pronoun — He, Him or His. How blasphemous to refer to part of the Godhead as an “it” “the sauce,” etc.! You can’t see that?! YOU need to read your Bible especially about the Holy Spirit particularly John 16. We DO NOT control or manipulate the Holy Spirit!

    Comment by Lee | July 2, 2008

  99. Jeff,do you have any biblical answers to any questions! Here goes Im going to try to make this simple, please follow along. Im going to put forth the questions one at a time and would appriciate if you would answer them either biblically or with your opinion. Where do you stand on end times [eschatology]. Do you hold to traditional easy to understand bible version or do you believe we are getting the world ready for JESUS to take the throne after all nations are turned to Him? Which is it and do you have scripture to back it up. Do you believe we have been given authority to bind princepalities and powers over cities, and if so please give a biblical example with scripture to back it up. Do you believe that what Stacy campbell was doing at Todds “commisioning” was of GOD, the flesh or demonically inspired. Can you back up your view on this with scripture? If you can show with scripture that your stands on any issue are right I will be the first to apologize and say Im wrong. Having said that lets first go back to the scare tactics once again. I am not being judgemental, wanting to have things verified by scripture is to be a Berean. Now I dont know about your bible but mine says that is a good thing. All anyone is asking is for you to verify your beliefs with scripture. Jeff open your eyes to see, When you stand before JESUS and he asks you why you did some of these things that you believe, are you going to be able to say, because your word says it right here at such and such a place, or are you going to say well because there were things happening there. What truly boggles my mind is how anyone can read Matt.24 and not see what is going on. How can you read the book of Rev. and think there is going to be this great end times revival. Can you not see in the news that nations are not getting closer to JESUS but farther and farther from him. Can you not see the two buzzwords now are tolerance and unity. The one world religion is forming right in front of your face! Have you never read many will come in my name saying I am the Christ and will decieve many, and if you have just when do you think that is going to happen? Rick Warren has joined forces with Tony Blair, Rick Warren is closely associated with the Emergent church and also associated with Bill Hybells another Emergent church leader. Well guess who one of Bills best buddies is C PETER WAGNER! Now once again if you think these guys are not leading you down the garden path you are truly deluded! I have given you the challenge if you can prove your beliefs with scripture I stand corrected, if not quit telling me of your love for GODS WORD because you are either decieved or lying.

    Comment by Vince | July 2, 2008

  100. I dont think anyone knows about the child, If God can forgive he can take care of the past life crimes and sins that were against others.

    So please let God be God. Dont become stone bearers, Let Jesus decide the destiny of Tod Bentley. If he forgives Him and says SIN NO MORE and he takes care of that child also. Then you are noone to help or correct God

    Thankyou

    Comment by Arif Bhatti | July 2, 2008

  101. hmmm, lets see an American child who had been molested himself, not to mention other atrocities he suffered, then repeats the act on another child, does time for his crime, and suffers shame for a long time, then finds the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, is forgiven, forever washed of the blood of Jesus, devotes the rest of his entire life to the spreading of the Gospel and to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, which the Lord says “I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh in the last days” collects money for the furthering of the Gospel (tv shows cost 500,000 dollars per 9700 hours or so something like that)and you people are finding fault with this? I will hate to see your plight on Judgement day, people judge yourselves.

    Comment by Jan | July 2, 2008

  102. I will not claim to know if Todd Bentley is a true prophet or not. But I will say that anything that is to glorify God, should be approached by using reverence, respect, fear and the utmost highest opinion. What I have seen out of Lakewood has been nothing but follies and shenanigans.

    Comment by Rob | July 2, 2008

  103. Vince I ve given you all the scripture you need. Judge for yourself!!

    Comment by Jeff | July 3, 2008

  104. Jan,

    What a ridiculous argument. It’s as if you’ve never even read one thing about Todd Bentley.

    The criticism of him mainly has to do with WHAT HE’S TEACHING.

    HIS WORDS and HIS TEACHINGS biblically condemn him as a false prophet.

    As for judging ourselves, I’ll go first:

    In Rev. ch. 2, Jesus COMMENDED the church at Ephesus saying this:

    “I know you don’t tolerate evil people. You have examined the claims of those who say they are apostles but are not”

    Now, what do you think Jesus would say about those who DO tolerate evil people and REFUSE to examine the claims of those who say they are apostles. Furthermore, what do you think Jesus would say if these same people CONDEMNED others for doing THE VERY THINGS HE COMMANDED them to do?

    Uh, maybe you ought to judge yourself, huh?

    Comment by andypro | July 3, 2008

  105. coincidence? thats almost word for word what Pharisees said about Jesus…

    Comment by Jan | July 3, 2008

  106. Hey Vince I’ve been praying this night and asking God what else do I need to tell you. You keep asking me to back up MY BELIEFS with scripture and I have. I’ve given you all the scriptures I need to. Go back and read them! Whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven and so on! I DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE YOU ANY MORE SCRIPTURES ON WHAT I BELIEVE!!! Gods says leave the unbelievers alone as I have turned them over to a reprobate mind and have let them believe a lie! They refuse my spirit and my power which I have bestowed to those that believe!! The power of the Holy Ghost is what will see you through the seven year tribulation! No where in the bible does it say were going to be raptured out, so you will need the power of God to stand. Find Gods power for yourself, not from no one else including Bentky or any other of those people you mentioned. Shows how well you know me, I don’t know them or care to or know what they believe. God Bless you ALL!

    Comment by Jeff | July 3, 2008

  107. Haven’t we lost sight of the sick and young in the faith who are damaged by all this? We have a responsibility to them first and foremost.
    God loves the congregation! Not just Todd. If they kept their unbiblical ideas to themselves, they would be left alone. They decided to go public, they should not expect anything else.

    Comment by Eve | July 3, 2008

  108. Jan, I think there are a lot of pedophiles, rapists and homosexuals who need to hear Todd Bentley’s testimony of how he overcame these sins when he came to Christ.

    As we overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of our Testimony, I’m anxious to hear this from Todd Bentley.

    I don’t get it… how come his miraculous deliverance from all that stuff is not being touted as one of the main draws at Lakeland?

    Yes, I am being sarcastic.

    I’d also like to hear from the doctor of the man with colon cancer that Todd kicked in the stomach as to how much damage Todd did to that man’s deteriorating colon.

    The point about Todd’s past is, everyone has a Cross they must bear if they are a true disciple of Christ. The Cross — death to self — death to the Flesh — is something conspicuously absent from all the leaders of this End Time Apostolic Prophetic Cult.

    How do Todd’s angels, signs and wonders, mass anointings, et all, help any Christian bear their Cross any easier? When the Lakeland Circus Tent is wrapped up and everyone goes home, is their day-to-day life with the Lord any better?

    We need eternal fruit, not Todd Bentley’s deceptive and sweaty hoopla.

    Comment by AriseMyLove | July 3, 2008

  109. Pathetic shame that during a time of war, national recession, financial difficulties that such people “prey” on those looking for some salvation. Shame that such those as Todd Bentley capitalize on peoples weaknesses for their own gain. Shame that people are willing to believe and follow this person, simply an indication that our nation
    needs strength from higher sources, not those of a
    “self-proclaimed” snake charmer.

    Comment by margo smith | July 3, 2008

  110. Jeff, there is really no need in carrying on with this discussion, remember 2 things power comes as GOD determines,not as our flesh determines, to truly be led by the HOLY SPIRIT is to be led by GOD, not us! The second is as I said before, when these men and women come to collect payment you will have 2 choices, 1.You will tell them that you will not partake of thier murder, and be martyred, or 2.You will join them as you will be doing “gods will”, the “spirit” will tell you to. I as you also do not buy into the pre trib rapture! Im afraid by your lack of response that that is where we part company. I also hope that the very words you wrote above dont come back to bite you. Also to AriseMyLove, I appriciate many of your responses that I have seen, I pray this was just a circus tent that would wrap up, but it seems the same players have been around for a long time, they may change thier titles and shuffle things around a bit but they just keep coming back. It seems they have more influence now than ever,thus the great falling away! By what Im seeing we are too far down the trail for this to go away. I think they are a piece in a very large puzzle that is being put together at break neck speed! I have found another good site that is also sounding the alarm, Fulfilledprophecy.com, all who are interested in the truth may find this site helpful. GOD bless all.

    Comment by Vince | July 3, 2008

  111. It seems they have more influence now than ever,thus the great falling away! By what Im seeing we are too far down the trail for this to go away. I think they are a piece in a very large puzzle that is being put together at break neck speed!

    I do believe you are right, unfortunately. But, hey, on the plus side, that means Jesus is coming very soon!

    Comment by Lee | July 3, 2008

  112. In reading thru all these posts, I didn’t see (if I missed forgive me), anyone answer Miriam’s question “Who is David Duke?”. Miriam, David is a white supremacist, KKK leader (Grand Wizard), was elected as a representative to the legislature, formed the National Association for the Advancement of White People, and is touted as the “modern face” of the KKK type groups, ie urbane, photogenic, debonair, and glib. Here in Canada we have one of his ilk too, Marc Lemire, of the Heritage Front.By linking you to Duke, I am not sure if that poster was implying your a neo-nazi of spiritual things.Ciao for now, and God richly bless you and Vince, and Sandy, and all who seek to be true shepherds by taking on the wolves.

    Comment by Paul | July 3, 2008

  113. What ever happened to preaching the Gospel? In the first and second great awakenings they preached REPENTANCE and FAITH. They preached that no man is good, not one, we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The revivals of old consisted of calling people to repent of their sinful lives and to surrender their lives to Christ, Who died on the cross for our sins so we way are justified before God. This is the Good News of the Gospel. There was no body checking, leg dropping, kneeing to the stomach kicking in the face, etc…. No shenanigans, just the pure message of the Gospel.

    Comment by Rob | July 3, 2008

  114. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh
    Luke 21:28 (KJV)

    Hallelujah!!!

    Comment by Eve | July 3, 2008

  115. Read Luke 21 and tell me where does anything said there sound like Todd ?? He doesn’t claim to be Jesus!!! EVE???? Oh my oh my!!!

    Comment by Jeff | July 4, 2008

  116. This site is a precious one. I’m still shocked by the fact so “few” believers really examine what’s going on in Florida, on forehand not wanting to be negative.. If the past of Todd really would have “blown up totally”, we now wouldn’t see what clearly can be noticed, yes examining.

    Having done that I searched for some extra “devine evidence”, within two days finding two very clear visions, out of 1996 and 2006.

    http://blog.trentonadams.ca/2008/06/08/vision-of-the-acid-cloud-1994/

    http://www.obeyjesus.net/content/view/366/74/

    At the mean time, for two days.., my wife Irene was examining her bible, while asking: “Lord, Jesus, what is it exactly.. overthere?!”

    Getting the final answer at the end, she nearly jumped in one move down the straircase. “Olaf.., it’s STRANGE FIRE..!” (Levit. 10:1) STRANGE FIRE. NOT HOLY, NOT KINDLED BY GOD.

    Fire and fire, miracles and miracles.., true and false.

    Lakeland even seems to be a symptom of more coming evil, allowed by God. The next day we both were very impressed by the next text Irene got. Habakuk 1:5 Yes.., followed by the rest! Please, examine.

    The Netherlands, silent.. Olaf.

    Comment by olaf de vries | July 4, 2008

  117. Jeff,
    You have missed something vital:

    The word “christ” (v8)in greek simply means “anointed” or “nointed one”. If this was translated properly, it would be clearer. It means literally ” Luke 21:8 (KJV) And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am ANOINTED ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.” I have heard Todd say this of himself many times!
    The fact is he doesn’t need to claim to be Jesus, he only needs to claim to be anointed for this to apply to him!

    [Greek Strong's Number: 5548
    Greek Word: χρίω
    Transliteration: chriō
    Phonetic Pronunciation:khree'-o
    Root: probably akin to through the idea of contact
    Cross Reference: TDNT - 9:493,1322
    Part of Speech: v
    Vine's Words: Anoint, Anointing

    Usage Notes:

    English Words used in KJV:
    anoint 5
    [Total Count: 5]

    probably akin to (chraomai) through the idea of contact; to smear or rub with oil, i.e. (by implication) to consecrate to an office or religious service :- anoint.]

    Comment by Eve | July 4, 2008

  118. In the Greek, Matthew 24: 5 is clearer.

    Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am anointed [Christ]; and shall deceive many
    Matt 24:4-5 (KJV)
    They come to deceive and will be successful.

    Greek Strong’s Number: 5547
    Greek Word: Χριστός
    Transliteration: Christos
    Phonetic Pronunciation:khris-tos’
    Root: from
    Cross Reference: TDNT – 9:493,1322
    Part of Speech: adj
    Vine’s Words: Christ

    Usage Notes:

    English Words used in KJV:
    Christ 569
    [Total Count: 569]

    from (chrio); anointed, i.e. the Messiah, an epithet of Jesus :- Christ.

    —Strong’s Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary

    Comment by Eve | July 4, 2008

  119. Vince, yes, i agree that the Apostolic Prophetic Cult will shuffle people and names in and out as scandal and sin are flagged on these people’s lives.

    For example: in early May, Chuck Pierce was “outed” as a Kabbalist, a liar in the name of God as someone who fakes his monthly prophetic words on the Elijah List by cribbing from the astrological Kabballah and/or just recycles previous prophetic words from years gone by!

    This LIAR is an “Apostle” of this Kansas City Cult. But I only bring it up now to note how conspicuously ABSENT CHUCK PIERCE IS FROM LAKELAND.

    At Todd Bentley’s Satanic Anointing “Service” — where was “Apostle” Chuck Pierce? Out in Africa, pretending he has any Christian authority to pray or prophesy over the people there.

    The point is, OUR BLOGS AND SITES LIKE THIS ONE ARE EFFECTIVE. This Kansas City Cult is mortified over Chuck Pierce’s obvious LIES in the Name of God and they sent him on his merry way, out of the limelight, so as not to taint Lakeland. And where is poor Paul Cain now after exposing himself as a liar on the Lakeland stage?

    Gone. Poof. These people are lowlevel media hounds, deceived by their own egos, lies and the Devil himself who is using the STRONG DELUSION GOD SAYS HE WILL SEND TO DELUDE THOSE WHO NO LONGER LOVE THE TRUTH.

    We have to remember, these people do not know they are under God’s delusion. This is a very serious issue. These will be the people of God’s own Deluded Joel 2 army who will murder the Saints in the name of God.

    It is beyond witchcraft: it is a judgment or curse upon these people that they are so enmeshed in their own ego driven “faith” they do not realize God is giving them over to HIS OWN DELUSION.

    Pray Saints. This is Spiritual Cancer and it KILLS.

    Comment by AriseMyLove | July 4, 2008

  120. Boy it’s awful funny how you people can look up and insert any meaning you want to, to scripture as substituting “Annointed” for the word Christ, but let anyone else prove thier underlying meaning for it and you call them devils or witches or dilussional for changing God’s word! You guys are a bunch of hypicritical people who need to practice what you preach. Sound the alarm Mary afox is in the hen house!!!!! A wolf is in the pasture with the sheep!!!! Do you not know if this is true God knows it???? If this is true God has allowed it????? God has to allow everything that is done in ALL of creation! Do you not believe he his an ALL present ALL knowing God. The devil is getting too much glory on this web site and do you not know the devil can’y be everywhere at the same time???? He’s not omni-present like God!! So continue to glorify old Satan he loves it! I hear God getting the glory in lakeland but on here my oh my how powerful is the devil??? He has NO POWER over us but what we give him!! I give him none so should you!! I have dominion over him through the power God himself has given to me. Sounds like to me your scared of dying for Jesus name??? “They will come and kill us”. Stand up for what you believe just don’t try and force it on anyone. That’s all i’ve ever said!! God bless you all!!!

    Comment by Jeff | July 5, 2008

  121. Jeff if you have dominion over satan, throw him in the pit! Do the binding that you people are so proud of. There is not one person on this site that would be bothered by satans inability to fight against us! You cant, because you have not been given that authority, at least not in the bible. Now Jeff you are argueing against the original meaning of these words. If you can come up with proof of all you believe, by using strongs concordance, then Im all ears. You have not once proven any of your beliefs by scripture. You are against testing the spirits, the bible clearly tells us to test the spirits. You are against testing teaching, yet Paul commends the Bereans for doing just that. Also, it is peculiar that you should tell us that we are scared of dying for JESUS, instead of, these people would never do that! And by the way no one here forced you to come to this website. You would be happy if all of us would just say you are right Jeff we all serve the same GOD, well sorry! I cant and wont do that. I am glad of one thing, at least you finally see that there are many foxes in the hen house, just as JESUS said MANY WILL COME IN MY NAME SAYING I AM CHRIST AND WILL DECIEVE MANY! Jeff, how many times in your life do you think you have handled counterfiet money, I would venture to say hundreds, yet did you know you had counterfiet money, no. The only way to find out if it is counterfiet is to get out the magnifying glass, to pick over it. If counterfiet money is not looked for and found, it will destroy the economy! Some counterfiet is better than others, I would compare lakeland to having Martha Washingtons face on a dollar bill! You oppose anyone looking at scripture to see if these signs, wonders, and teachings hold water. I can assure you they have been weighed balaced and been found wanting! Lets look at some of the teaching that these false prophets teach, such as portals to heaven, a time and a place where one can get closer to GOD! Where pray tell is that in scripture! By your own words GOD is omnipresent, and that is true. Spiritual mapping, Im sure glad JESUS taught us about that!! Im also glad he showed us an example of binding demons over cities so we can go in and take the land!! Why did the SON OF GOD not bind the spirits over cities so more people would be saved, according to this new teaching He should of. Look at the very scriptures these so called apostles used to “commision” Todd Bentley. This was on the Elijah list by C. Peter Wagner, Eph.4:11-12, It is JESUS who gives gifts NOT SELF APPOINTED APOSTLES!! If it is not too distasteful for you go down 2 verses to 14 and look up every word of importance in that scripture, in your strongs concordance and you will see a perfect picture of these individuals. The bottom line is this, it is obvious that you will not hold these men accountable, like it or not it is your job, I can only hope that someone else reading all this, who may be wavering will notice your lack of biblical answers and run as far from this prophetic apostolic garbage as they can. JEFF GOD CARES ABOUT YOU! PLEASE LOOK FOR YOURSELF OBJECTIVELY. GOD is showing you things such as Stacey Campbells head shaking to get your attention, He does not want you to perrish with them, He doesnt even want them to perrish, GOD is patient and slow to anger, believe me I know, because he wants all to repent. Yet GODS word is unchangeing, these people if they dont repent will end up in the lake of fire, do not follow them in! Please look for yourself, GOD wants you to check things out, He wants you to be sure of your path, the narrow one, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

    Comment by Vince | July 7, 2008

  122. its so so sad they way “christians” are judging todd. he is clearly a man after God’s own heart and if people would listen to he message they will see that nothing exhaults itself over the name of Jesus at the Revival. Don’t we all have a past before we were Saved. That is why we needs to be Saved in the first place!

    Comment by tamesha henderson | July 7, 2008

  123. I actually agree with Tamesha. We shouldn’t be judging his character but only his teachings. I believe that they have alot of disturbing things in them. Especailly his lack of Bible reading, sin, righteouness, dying to one self. The old time preachers like Wesly, Edwards, Spurgeoun all talked of the law of God that is what is missing in todays churches.
    I recall a story of Edwards teaching the night before about the law of God sin righteouness and the judgement to come when the town stayed up late crying out to God for salvation. That is TRUE revival. May God cause us all to Cry out to Him for His mercy!!!! remember Matt24:24 for false christs and false prophets shall show great signs and wonders to deceive the vey elect if that were possiable” Satan wants to deceive us in these last days

    Comment by rebecca | July 7, 2008

  124. temesha? LOL, what message? Pick one:

    DIY trips to heaven.
    10 easy steps to opening your own portal.
    13 relaxing meditative positions while praying (contemplative prayer).
    A spiritual warfare aerobics video – Preparing you physically to bind those demons in your neighbouring town.
    3 reason why not to pray when receiving Todd’s anointing.
    20 reasons why you should not consult your bible on anything that Todd and friends do.
    How to hold a televised ritual commissioning without your audience realising what’s going on.
    6 easy steps to pass that Kundalini spirit onto your followers.
    How to ‘catch’ that fire like a professional basket ball player.
    How to write prophecies like a real prophet in 36 hours.
    How to tell someone they are ‘healed’ when they are not.
    1 fool proof way to bind your flock into giving their live savings to you.
    How to avoide the media after they ask you for proof of your healings.
    The Olympic headshakers training guide for up and coming Seers.
    How to see Patrica Kings Blue Flame and not burn yourself.

    Comment by Deborah | July 7, 2008

  125. Rebecca – the Bible says to judge character. Todd lies and blasphemes and is greedy and manipulative, that is bad character and to be judged by the church.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | July 7, 2008

  126. Vince my old boy I’m glad God made JESUS the judge for me not YOU!!!!! God said judge for yourself NOT FOR OTHERS!!!!!! That’s all I’ve ever said here!!

    Luke 10;19- Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions and OVER ALL THE POWER OF THE ENEMY: and nothing shall by any means hurt you!!

    Acts 6:8- And Stephen, full of faith and POWER, did great wonders and miracles among the people.

    Romans 13:1- Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of GOD: The powers that be are ORDAINED of GOD.

    Romans 13:2- whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinace of God: and they that resist shall recieve to themselves damnation.

    I’ve never said not to try the spirits NEVER!!!! I’ve given you all the scripture you need on binding and loosening. Whatsoever you BIND on earth WIILL be bound in Heaven and Whatsoever you loose on earth SHALL be loosed in Heaven. You can stop the devil from working in your own life. You have POWER over him and DOMINION over him!! Man alive Jesus died for me Vince I know how much he loves me! I talk with him every day I KNOW HIS(GOD’S) VOICE!!!!! Stop judging me on if I’m saved or not your messing in dangerous territory my friend!!! God Bless and judge for yourself OK!!!

    Comment by Jeff | July 8, 2008

  127. Jeff, Rom.13:1-2 speak of civil authorities. Not spiritual authorities, and yes as far as our own lives we have authority to resist the devil and he will flee. Your binding and looseing is taken out of context just as your scriptures above! Ill give you this you are a master at dancing around the questions! You are right I am not the judge JESUS is. What Im telling you is a warning, if you continue to follow these men and women they will lead you to HELL! If your binding and looseing is so real and powerful, WHY IS THERE NO DOCUMENTATION OF IT EVER BEING DONE IN SCRIPTURE! DID GOD FORGET TO WRITE THAT DOWN, OR PERHAPS HE JUST SAVED THAT FOR NOW! Maybe its just more new revelation, given to these all knowing prophets! Jeff truly if you can look at lakeland and think anything going on there is of GOD,[THE GOD ABOVE] you have already been deluded, and hopefully will learn this the hard way! Better to learn the hard way than not at all. One more thing just so you are clear on this, I know by scripture that we have authority to cast out demons, there are examples, we have authority to heal the sick, we have examples, but we have never been given authority to bind demons over cities, there are no examples! Only in the mind of C. Peter Wagner and the demon who is pulling his chain! Jeff you will go your way and I will go mine, I pray to GOD for you.

    Comment by Vince | July 8, 2008

  128. Hi Jeff

    You said “You can stop the devil from working in your own life. You have POWER over him and DOMINION over him!!”

    Ok, so now that you’ve said that, they how can you go and bind and take dominion over cities and towns which has nothing to do with your personal life as this is now about the persoanl lives of others?

    How can you bind satan over others who don’t care if they know Jesus or not and possibly never will?

    The bible tells us to preach the Gospel, so you preach the Gospel to them and they hear it, but you don’t bind their house and then suburb and then their city. It’s their choice to accept the Word of God or not. If they accept then and get saved only then will they have power over satan in their lives in Jesus’s mighty name.

    Comment by Deborah | July 8, 2008

  129. tHIS WHOLE MOVE OF G-D, DOES NOT SEEM REAL, I HAVE THIS ON G-D CHANNEL, THIS NOT BEAR WITTNESS TO MY SPIRIT, THERE IS SO MANY PEOPLE THATS ALL THEY TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW THAT I AM JEWISH WATCHING ISRAEL RIGHT NOW THRILLS MY SOUL, OUR MESSIAH IS COMING REAL SOON, TAKE THE TORAH TO THE JEW FIRST IT SAYS THAT IN ROMANS, IF THE CHURCH WOULD DO THAT ALL THESE THINGS WOULD COME TO PAST, BE VERY CAREFULL ON WHAT WE HEAR AND WATCH, THE WORD DOES SAY TEST THE SPIRIT’S. LET THE WORD’S OF HAS SHEM, REVEAL HIS GLORY NOT MAN.

    Comment by frank morris, lawrenceburg tennessee | July 8, 2008

  130. Jeff, what does Christ mean if it does not mean anointed? That is the plain meaning even in a secular dictionary. It means Messiah (anointed one) or anointed. Has Todd Bentley claimed to be anointed? I have definitely heard him.
    How do you know I do not practice what I preach? I preach that we should look to the Bible and apply the tests found there to see if people are of God or not. I think what I have said here bears out that I do just that.
    It tells me how to deal with such people and what to do for those they deceive. Where have I not done that on this site?

    Comment by Eve | July 8, 2008

  131. I’ve been doing ALL this to prove ONE point. Please go back and read ALL my post and show me where I said I or anyone else could bind demons OVER CITIES????? I have never said that NEVER!!! I said I could bind demons in my own life! This goes to show how much attention everyone pays when reading something or watching it on TV or even being there in person!!!! POINT PROVEN Vince that s all you keep saying and I’ve never said OVER CITIES. That’s my point see how easily YOU can be decieved! Never have I said over NATIONS either. How easy it is to decieve ALL just with the power of persuation. Even when you don’t say a certain thing it can be said you said it. WATCH, PRAY, and LISTEN with your SPIRITUAL EARS not your physical ears to every little detail. The enemy uses this way of deception ALL the time. He wants us to battle one another and argue with one another and say another said this when they really did not!!! SO LISTEN TO THE WORD AND THE WORD ONLY. My work here is done! God bless!!!!!

    Comment by Jeff | July 8, 2008

  132. NO Jeff you didnt say to bind demons over cities but every one of these apostles and prophets you stand with do, are you saying that thier teaching is wrong? Also we are to resist satan and or demons and they will flee, once again I would just like 1 example of someone binding a demon, personally or publicly, from the bible of course. And that is not all I have been saying, where do you stand on end times? Do you believe what is happening at lakeland is of THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE? DO you believe Todd and all his apostolic friends are of GOD or do you believe as I do that they are FALSE PROPHETS AND APOSTLES. Do you believe that the Holy Spirit comes to people and gives them epileptic type seizures? Do you believe Stacy Campbell was under the power of the Holy Spirit when her head just about spun off her neck? Now I don’t expect you to answer these as you have not answered anything else, I just hope someone has learned from this exchange, and now I also am finished!

    Comment by Vince | July 9, 2008

  133. Hi Jeff

    The problem with siding with people (Todd and others) is because what they believe ultimately reflects on you if you stand up for them. All these people believe this dominion thing of going out and binding satan over towns etc, amongst other really unbiblical things.

    Now I know you said you do not agree with Todd on everything but we don’t know what this ‘everything’ is…so if Todd believes in this stuff then we assume you do too. And this is what Vince has been asking you to find scripture for because this is what these people believe.

    Having said that, based on your comment
    >> ‘I did not say that I back Bently in ALL he says or does’

    Where do you draw the line and say, ‘I don’t back this man anymore because the things he does and says are completely unbiblical?’ After 1 lie, heresy and blasphemy?, after 2 lies, heresies and blasphemies?, after 3? 4? 10? 20? 50? Where do you draw the line?

    Comment by Deborah | July 9, 2008

  134. Hi to all on this debate. That said May I make a couple of comments and ask a question. I have been told that the binding and loosing scriptures are to do with church discipline of a member who sins against another and have nothing to do with casting out Demons. I have just looked at Matthew 18: 12-18 and it seems to be in the context of sin. Am I wrong. Vince, it also says on earth not in earth. Maybe it’s just the version I looked up!?.

    Also I remember when the Toronto blessing came and I watched footage of Rodney Howard Browne and Kenneth Copeland who were supposed to be amng the originaters of this movement. I saw one man on the stage command the Lord to get a man in the band meaning to do something to him ” With, in , the Spirit” I imagined. He said ” GO GET HIM LORD!!”. I was only a Christian two Years but I remember feeling insulted in my spirit for the Lord and I thought to myself ” Does he Thing the Lord is a dog!”.

    Many years later I have a friend who was at that time influenced by such things and he was driving his car and looked at a man parked at a traffic light and he said ( Thinking he was being spiritual) GO GET HIM LORD!. He told me the next thing he heard in his inner man a voice saying a little sternly ” DO you think I am a dog”.

    To me Jeff and Vince and others the spirit I see behind this movement is no different to what I saw all those years ago. I felt grieved then and I feel grieved now. Thats all I have to say at the moment.
    Greg.

    Comment by Greg. | July 9, 2008

  135. P.s I should have adressed my on earth not in earth comment to Jeff not Vince. My Apologies.

    Greg.

    Comment by Greg. | July 9, 2008

  136. I wasn’t sent here to tell anyone who I back or not! MY opinion DOES NOT MATTER!! I was sent here to prove that anyone on this site can be decieved!! Everyone on here has said how I believe this and I back this person when all I’ve done is put scripture on here for you to see. As you have seen it has been said I backed binding demons over cities and so on! When you assume you know what you do I don’t have to say it!! There has been only 2 men in my life when I heard preach that I KNEW they were men of God and Bently IS NOT one of them!!!! I was sent here to show all of you that when you get your mind made up it blocks the Holy Spirit from revealing things to you! Vince has come as close as I’ve seen to being and telling the truth!! MAKE SURE EVRYTHING CAN BE BACKED UP WITH THE WORD!!!!! Now we all know the word says Jesus done so many things that ALL the books of the world could not contain them!! Now Vince the only thing I seen you do wrong is you put me in the group with Bently just because I backed his right to preach and do whatsoever he feels like the Holy Spirit has told him. Please don’t be so quick to judge others but it’s fine to judge for yourself Bently”s teachings or preachings but don’t think everyone is that way and put stuff in your mind that they have not said!! But other than that you have done a marvelous job my friend!! You see how the enemy can just slide in division just by perception, that’s all I was trying to prove!! NO I DO NOT SUPPORT BENTLY’S WORK IN LAKELAND BUT I WILL NOT CONDEM HIM EITHER, THAT IS GODS JOB. I do however applaud all of you who speak out against things that are not biblical!! God is in control I believe EVERY WORD of the bible and believe we should be on our toes as we are RUNNING NOT WALKING toward the end time coming of our LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST!!! Please everyone pray for a repentative United States of America and pray for a return to HOLINESS instaed of ungodlyness as weve been living!! God Bless you all!!

    Comment by Jeff | July 9, 2008

  137. You are a complet WHACK job..do you not see what this loon is doing? Oh wait, there are so many young boys to molest..I live in Lakeland..I’m holding my children very close, although Todd looks so precious..what the HELL are you people thinking??

    Comment by kristy peddy | July 10, 2008

  138. Total garbage. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY SICK if you think someone can be a pedophile and then become a Christian and then somehow become authorized to be able to run a ministry for children and be supported by God.

    You are truly sick. People pay for certain crimes for their entire lives in prison, or in some countries are executed for such crimes. Just because people like Bentley get off easy in certain countries does not mean we are to let them off because they are not in prison in the specific country they were convicted of molestation in.

    If this was another country Bentley would be in prison for life, or would already have been executed and we would not have had to hear anything about his perverted false gospel in the first place.

    *he beareth not the sword in vain*

    Comment by Gary | July 10, 2008

  139. Jeff,

    Is my question to you regarding binding and loosing above not worthy of a reply. Also I have been thinking a little about your comment <<<There has been only 2 men in my life when I heard preach that I KNEW they were men of God and Bently IS NOT one of them!!!!<>>>So continue to glorify old Satan he loves it! >>>> post 120. Do you not understand the brevity of 2nd Peter 2 “Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings; 11yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord. ” and Jude 8In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. 9But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them. To me calling Satan old satan is speaking abusively against Satan. Its as if you are treating him with a patronising indifference. Does the arc angel Michaels example not say something to you. I am not saying at all that you are the man described above but rather that as a Christian you should know better. I cannot find one scripture so far where any writer refers to him as old satan.

    This Jeff makes me question your depth of knowledge and insight of the word. And I question it only because you are putting it out that you understand the Lord so well. to me Jeff if a man understands the Lord so well he will understand his word including his word on how to treat celestial beings, even fallen ones. Is this a fair point Jeff.

    Greg.

    Comment by Greg, | July 10, 2008

  140. Jeff,

    My post above had two parts but I must have wiped a part out when I was typing. Your comment that<<<There has been only 2 men in my life when I heard preach that I KNEW they were men of God and Bently IS NOT one of them!!!!>> makes me somewhat sad. You say to people to not judge you but you have judged, it seems, most of the Christians you have met by saying that in your estimation only two of them were men of God. I know many men of God Jeff, they are called Christians. May I ask Jeff does the title man of God have a higher value than son of God or daughter of God. I await your reply my brother. I say my brother not from false humility but to show you that I am not asking you these questions with an inquisatorial spirit.

    Greg.

    Comment by Greg, | July 10, 2008

  141. Gary, the sin you speak of above is most certainly forgivable if that person is truly sorry, only GOD knows such things. According to your line of thinking Nathan should have had David executed. He commited adultry which according to the law the penalty was death. He then commited murder which according to the law was also death. He should have been executed twice! But what does GOD say, because David says I have sinned, GOD says you have been forgiven. According to Jesus if you have ever looked on a woman with lust you have commited adultry, thus under the law, death! But JESUS has redeemed us! THANK GOD!! Of course that sin grieves GOD just as many other sins grieve him. Once again I say if a man or woman is truly repentant GODS word is true and He is faithful to forgive, please do not hold bitterness in your heart, just remember our forgiveness is given to us according to how we forgive. Having said that I will judge Todds teachings and his spirits, the WORD OF GOD TELLS ME TO. By his disregard for GODS WORD I would have to think he is not truly repentant. How can a person ask for GODS forgiveness and then take His word and trample it under foot as if it means nothing. My only point is if a person is truly sorry for thier sin, GODS word says he will forgive. Maybe you are not bitter, I did not mean to seem as if I were judgeing you. GOD BLESS!!

    Comment by Vince | July 11, 2008

  142. Rev. 12:9 that old serpent, called the devil, and satan
    Rev 20:2 that old serpent, which is the devil, and satan.
    Thanks for the question!! He is powerless unless you give him power over you! My God gave me power over him!!!

    Comment by Jeff | July 11, 2008

  143. As for the man of God I’m talking about someone who doesn’t invoke his opinion in his message but is ALL about the word. The Bible is not for private interpetation!!!

    Comment by Jeff | July 11, 2008

  144. huh??? The Bible is not for Private Interpretation?!?!?!?!?!?!?

    Jeff, are you seriously saying that individual believers in the Lord Jesus Christ and through the power of the Holy Spirit should NOT come to their own conclusions as to what scripture is saying? So we should submit ourselves to Peter Wagner’s interpretation should we?

    Let me ask you a different question. Is the Bible the final spiritual authority by which we need to live as Christians?

    Or is the Bible a guide but we now have Apostles who are speaking out New Revelation(TM) and presenting New Wine(c) in New Wineskins(c) so we don’t actually need to read the bible anymore??? We can just listen to Todd now can’t we?

    Comment by Bull | July 11, 2008

  145. 2nd Peter 1:20- Knowing this first, that no phropecy of the scripture is of any PRIVATE interpretation.

    2nd Peter 1:21- For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

    Comment by Jeff | July 12, 2008

  146. And yes we NEED to read the BIBLE every day!! And LIVE IT!!!

    Comment by Jeff | July 12, 2008

  147. Jeff,

    I have looked up the verses you quote in two translations, the king James and the N.I.V. The N.I.V uses the term Ancient Serpent which means I guess ” from of old”. I would imagine that the King James means it in the same terms. Your term however I believe is a derogatory term along the lines of ” Old Nick” as they say here in Ireland and England. Yours is a patronising term of indifference and definitely not the connotation used in Revelations no matter what version you quote.

    The quote from second Peter in regards to how Michael addressed him is an example as to how we are to view him as a celestial being made by God who has the only authority to rebuke accuse deride him. Look at how Paul speaks about him… “We are not unaware of his schemes” that is as much as he would say and I would contend Jeff that Paul had a lot more authority to speak about Satan than you do my brother. And as far as a man of God not putting in his own opinion did not even Paul do say when he said ” Now I speak not the Lord”.. Opinion is O.K I believe as long as you state that it is just that, your opinion.

    I have many opinions on scripture and the Lord and my friends know I do but they clearly know I am expressing an opinion open to correction. But one thing I know clearly and that is it is not given to us to deride Satan in any way.

    Greg.

    Comment by Greg | July 12, 2008

  148. Listen Greg you can reverence Old Satan all you want but Iwill not OK!!! He is our advisary and is trying to destroy you! You are crazy if you think he is still the “celestial being” you speak of OK!!!! He is a FALLEN angel not to be admired or reverenced in any way!! I have power over him and he is worthless to me. He can try to hurt me or come against me but I put him in his place with the name of JESUS!!!! He is a fallen and defeated foe and you can worship or reverence or admire him all you want, I on the other hand will put him on the run because I’m covered and washed in the blood of Jesus!!!! AMEN GLORY!!!!!!!!

    Comment by Jeff | July 13, 2008

  149. Oh yea as far as your statement about me vs. Paul…… My bible says God has no respect of persons. Sounds to me you need to do a little more studying in the King James version and stay out of that NIV which clearly changes Gods word!! Thank you, hope this helped you !!

    Comment by Jeff | July 13, 2008

  150. Yes Greg you are right! The bible is pretty clear on that. Let me just warn you, Jeff will argue just for the sake of arguement.

    Comment by Vince | July 13, 2008

  151. There you go Vince with that JUDGMENTAL spirit again!! I rebuke the in the name of the LORD!!!! Amen!! I don’t argue I give you scripture and you argue!! LOL God Bless

    Comment by Jeff | July 13, 2008

  152. Jeff,

    It may seem like you’re being ganged up on here; but, know that my intent is just to show Truth.

    Whatsoever you BIND on earth WIILL be bound in Heaven and Whatsoever you loose on earth SHALL be loosed in Heaven. You can stop the devil from working in your own life. You have POWER over him and DOMINION over him!!

    I’m assuming you’re referring to Matthew 16:19:

    19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” [Matthew 16:19 NIV]

    In context, Jesus was telling Peter that he would have the authority to help build the NT church with Christ as the bedrock/foundation.

    From the Adam Clarke Commentary:

    …That binding and loosing were terms in frequent use among the Jews, and that they meant bidding and forbidding, granting and refusing, declaring lawful or unlawful, having given numerous instances…

    To this, therefore, do these words amount: When the time was come wherein the Mosaic law, as to some part of it, was to be abolished, and left off, and, as to another part of it, was to be continued and to last for ever, he granted Peter here, and to the rest of the apostles, Matthew 18:18, a power to abolish or confirm what they thought good, and as they thought good; being taught this, and led by the Holy Spirit: as if he should say, Whatsoever ye shall bind in the law of Moses, that is, forbid, it shall be forbidden, the Divine authority confirming it; and whatsoever ye shall loose, that is, permit, or shall teach that it is permitted and lawful, shall be lawful and permitted. Hence they bound, that is forbade, circumcision to the believers; eating of things offered to idols, of things strangled, and of blood, for a time, to the Gentiles; and that which they bound on earth was confirmed in heaven. They loosed, that is, allowed purification to Paul, and to four other brethren, for the shunning of scandal; Acts 21:24 and, in a word, by these words of Christ it was committed to them, the Holy Spirit directing, that they should make decrees concerning religion, as to the use or rejection of Mosaic rites and judgments, and that either for a time, or for ever.

    You can read the entire commentary on this verse here:

    http://www.studylight.org/com/acc/view.cgi?book=mt&chapter=16&verse=19#Mt16_19

    As you can see, this says nothing about spiritual warfare. For spiritual warfare look to Ephesians 6:10-18, 1 Peter 5:8 and James 4:7.

    Comment by Lee | July 13, 2008

  153. re: posts 144-146 – I believe the point is being missed. Yes the word of God is not of any private interpretation in the sense that the Spirit of God moved upon His servants as it says to set forth in writing, that which God would have us know in order that we may have instruction, and a comprehensive outline of Who God Is, What God Expects, and as Francis Schaeffer stated, “How Should We Then Live?” in light of that.But that means that it’s also just dead letters on a page, (the letter kills) UNLESS the Spirit of God gives it life to each reader (but the Spirit gives life). AS the Word plainly teaches, “you have no need that Peter Wagner or any man, should teach you, because you have an anointing of the Holy Spirit” for “when He the Spirit of Truth is come, He will lead you into all truth”.I do like one saying that Rick Joyner said God spoke to him, at one point, which is, “In the beginning the Spirit moved upon the face of the deep, and He began to create, and He hasn’t stopped moving since.I like it because it speaks to me of a spirit of life like rivers of living water, springing up and flowing (present tense), NOT STAGNANT and stale, dead or lifeless. In other words, I don’t subscribe to the “God as Supreme Clockmaker Theory” whereby He wound up the clok and creation, and like some divine inertia principle, walked away, and left it to run or run down on its own.

    Comment by paul | July 13, 2008

  154. Jeff what did you just accuse me of having? Its pretty obvious whos being judgemental! Also Greg, here is another scripture to verify what you are saying. Jude 8-9. And our weapons against satan consist of quoting scripture, (GODS WORD) and resist him and he will flee. Once again I challenge anyone to show scripture that gives us any other authority, or tells us it is OK to curse demonic entities.

    Comment by Vince | July 13, 2008

  155. Luke 9:1- Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over ALL DEVILS, and to cure diseases!!! DO NOT SAY WE ARE NOT DISCIPLES,BECAUSE I AM A DISCIPLE OF JESUS CHRIST!!!!!!!

    Disciple is defined in websters dictionary as ANY FOLLOWER OF CHRIST!!!!!!! Once again ALL the works of the enemy is DESTROYED!!!!!!!!!!

    And just for the record I have not CURSED Old Satan he cursed himself, and I WILL NOT REVRENCE HIM IN NO WAY!!!!!!

    Comment by Jeff | July 14, 2008

  156. No one has said to reverence satan. Just to do only what scripture tells us to do. You Jeff are the one who used the term reverence. And yes we do have authority over demons, but only in the context of scripture! Which is to cast out demons(CAST OUT) and our personal tools are to resist and to use the word of GOD against him or them. That is all, you do not have scripture to prove an example of any other authority being given to us! Now having said that you do like to argue because you never have proof to back up what you are saying, yet you keep coming back. Thats not being judgemental that is just stating the obvious. Truly I have let my pride get in the way by continuing this “discussion” this will be my last response to you Jeff as this has become ridiculous!

    Comment by Vince | July 14, 2008

  157. Jeff, I asked you:

    “Let me ask you a different question. Is the Bible the final spiritual authority by which we need to live as Christians?

    Or is the Bible a guide but we now have Apostles who are speaking out New Revelation(TM) and presenting New Wine(c) in New Wineskins(c) so we don’t actually need to read the bible anymore??? We can just listen to Todd now can’t we?”

    you answered:
    “And yes we NEED to read the BIBLE every day!! And LIVE IT!!!”

    Since you failed to answer my questions I will assume, please correct me if I am wrong in my assumption, that you agree that the Bible is only a guide but is not infallible anymore, since the super-apostles like Peter Wagner can now replace scripture with their own utterances.

    Is Super-Apostle Peter Wagner speaking the infallible word of God?

    Thanks for clarifying your position.

    Comment by Bull | July 14, 2008

  158. WHY DO u people keep asking me about Peter Wagner???????? I have not mentioned his name my gosh!! And Vince all I’ve done is keep giving u the scripture u desire and u still keep on!! Bye Vince God Bless you!!!

    Comment by Jeff | July 14, 2008

  159. If Todd is saved then the old has passed away and he is a new creation. However if he is a new creation why does he continue to recieve guidence from another sexual molester ie Bob Jones? Who we are told would have women strip naked to be prophecied over and in some cases doing more then prophecying. Why would a reform molestor look up to and seek advice from Bob Jones? Would he not rebuke and stay clear of this man? Then there is Paul Cain another man discredited for drinking and sodomy. I could go on. The question is if the old has passed away there seems to be plenty around him that he looks up to that have not.

    Comment by james | July 14, 2008

  160. THE LATTER RAIN REVIVAL :

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    http://watch.pair.com/rain.html

    Comment by Anon | July 14, 2008

  161. Jeff:

    you refuse to answer my questions.

    As far as quoting scripture is concerned, anyone can quote bible verses out of context.

    Still, why bother clinging to the old wineskin at all? You’ve got the new wineskins in Peter Wagner and all the other heretics.

    :(

    Comment by Bull | July 14, 2008

  162. I do think that Bentley is a false prophet and dangerous in that he is I believe leading people to hell. However more worryingly is that as a man with a record of sexual assault against a 7 year old boy (pre ‘conversion), that he now has an interest in an orphanage in Uganda. This seems to me rather like letting a fox loose in a hen house. Paedophiles generally do have a high reoffending rate. Pray for those kids.

    Comment by Sonia | July 15, 2008

  163. You people that stand back and yell you are not suppose to judge, the Bible plainly states that we are suppose to judge with righteous judgement. If you can not judge between one another how do you expect to judge the angels, is what the Word says.
    Do your self a favor and stopped getting your ears scratched by Todd Bentley and go look up his so called angels that he deals with.
    Emma the head angel of hell no room there for her to be called an angel of the Heavenly Father. Look up the angel of wind, the angel of finance and on and on.
    Be wise not blindly lead straight to hell by your foolishness.
    The one who posted this article plainly stated that they were not judging Todd by his past but by what all he says and does now.
    Let me ask you what is funny about a man kicking a little old lady in the nose with his biker boots, then saying she went out under the power than, I bet the power of his kick is what put her under, not the Holy Spirit.
    The woman he was beating with his fists that had cancer in her stomach until she threw up, was not from God and I never heard that woman stand up and say she was healed.
    The man who was in stage 4 cancer of the stomach and Todd took his fist and slugged the man as hard as his could and knocked him down on the floor and the man was in shock shaking his head in disbelief and pain probably trying to hold himself back from getting up and slugging mr. Todd back in his nose.
    Jesus nor none of His disciples or apostles used this kind of abuse to try to heal anyone. Look it up for yourself!
    This man is evil and enjoys making people suffer more than they are, because he knows the people are wanting a healing so bad.
    No where in the Bible does it say everyone gets healed all the time.
    God moves in His own time and way, not how mr. Todd tells Him to move and how to move.
    Todd has no respect for Our Heavenly Father at all, he only wants glory for himself and after he gets all the money he can from all the suckers he can, he will be off and running to another place to shear some more sheep, or the ones who fall for it.
    Jesus said, My sheep knows my voice and they will hear me and follow me. They will not follow after none other.
    All you that are sticking up for Todd Bentley and his god forsaken ways have you stopped to ask yourself why you are really standing up for him. Do you hear the Voice of Jesus or every weed blowing in the wind?
    Think hard and long on that before you decide to yell people are not suppose to judge anyone else.
    The Bible plainly tells us that we shall know them by their fruit that they bear.
    Todd is bearing false fruit trying to pass it off as the fruit of the spirit, where is his real love for people, anyone who can be so cruel as he has been to people can not be bearing the fruit of love, or do you really think so?
    Any man that is running after gold to the point of saying he was robbing the store room in heaven of the gold and talking to Jesus face to face at the same time, is lacking a true love for Jesus.
    What would you do if you were face to face with Jesus fall down before Him and say oh what a man of undone lips I am, or would you try to take all the gold and stuff it all in your clothes while Jesus is standing there looking not only at your face, but at your heart and seeing where your heart really is? Well Todd showed and said his heart was for all the gold he could gather up, so does that not tell you something?
    Watch out and be careful of who you follow if you don’t want to end up in hell along with them.

    No angel of God is called by any of these names people wake up and face facts, it is time to quit playing like you are so wise and seek the one who is wise and His Name Is Jesus Christ, the only begotten son of God.
    He say search out the scriptures for in them is live. Not search out some man for in him is live, no no we are not to follow after any man, no matter how much he brags on himself.

    I have yet to hear this Todd preach on anything out of the Bible. All he brags about is his experiences and nothing else!

    I feel sorry for all you who think that you are so wise and all knowing to stand up for a wolf in sheep’s clothing like you are and put the real believers down.

    Comment by Daisy | July 16, 2008

  164. It should be noted that the poster Jeff has revealed his true colours. In additition to the childish, spiteful and venemous remarks I have allowed to be posted already against others, daily there is more childish venom I refuse to post agaisnt me and others – and all because we insist Todd is false!

    Jeff, don’t come back until you stop playing games and can keep a civil tongue in your head. Til then, I urge you to love truth instead of covering yourself in, and defending, darkness.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | July 16, 2008

  165. Why do you people hate Todd Bently so much are you jealous???

    Comment by Preacher | July 17, 2008

  166. Preacher, jealous of occult teachings and blasphemy? You’ve got to be out of your mind.

    Comment by Deborah | July 17, 2008

  167. How can you say these are occult teachings???? Have you ever been a member of an occult??? Do you read your bible and believe the bible is the true word of God?? Then he’s just doing what the word say s do. Heal the sick, raise the dead and cast out devils right!!!! Or dont you believe the word of God is true??

    Comment by Preacher | July 17, 2008

  168. Preacher you ask those of us who are speaking the truth about the heretic, Tod Bentley, “Have you ever been a member of an occult???” Yes, I was in the occult many many years ago until I came to the Lord in 1976. But it does not take my occultic background to know deception and evil when I see it. You ask, “How can you say these are occult teaching?” I ask you, how in the world can you NOT? Do YOU not study and search the scriptures? If you did, you would see so much more than what you see. I gather you may have heaped up teachers that you follow instead of studying the Word of God yourself.

    Voodoo doctors can do as much as TB and his heretic friends…Patricia King, Bob Jones, John Crowder, Benny Hinn, Rodney-Howard Browne, Kenneth Copeland AND Jim Jones as far as that goes. They all are one and the same. Just different ways of packaging the poisoned kool-aid. Same anti-christ spirit at work to bring their kingdom. What is their kingdom? The kingdom of darkness, deception and devils into the church. That is their goal.

    Does mind control mean anything to you?
    How about listening to the same tid bit of a song over and over and over for about two hours?
    How about calling down fire and angels? WHERE in the Word of God does it tell us to do such things?
    How about the lies that come out of this movement? Angel feathers, gemstones from heaven, gold dust and one that is the greatest lie… brand new gold teeth. Yeah right! Have you ever thought maybe God would give someone a new tooth instead one of gold? LIARS, DECEIVERS, FALSE ONES!

    IF you truly desire to follow Him you will hear His voice and no other. You will pick up your cross and follow Jesus. Yeah that means suffering…I know that isn’t real popular but it IS the Word of God.

    These heretics have made themselves enemies of the cross by claiming the things they do. They twist the scripture about “denying the power” to mean it refers to those of us who do not swallow their garbage and poison. That verse is about the cross. And they deny the cross.

    Does God heal the sick and casts out demons? Of course he does. But He would NEVER sit back passively and let ungodly men twists things and lie to advance His true Kingdom. He will judge these apostates and blasphmemers and if I were you, I would be running away from all these things and run to the word of God asking Him to show you the truth. But beware, it may be more than you can handle. It’s not an easy thing to see you have believed something for years that is a lie. Just because you have been taught it as the truth. No easy thing to say good-bye and be ye seperate from those you onced loved who still want their ears tickled. There is a price to pay. But let me say, Jesus is more than enough for any of us.

    You call yourself “preacher.” What kind of preacher are you?
    One that teaches the things of men, chases men and their ministries or one that tests all things for the sheep entrusted to you? May God have mercy on you if you are a hireling.

    Is your loyalty to your teachers or to Jesus? Think about that.

    Comment by redeemedhippie | July 17, 2008

  169. Preacher, I thought the Bible told us to go out and preach the Good news? What is your version, the good news is your healed the bad is your sins are not forgiven and your going to hell. Todd Bentley is all about himself; he claims to heal the sick to lift himself only. He has no mention of Repentance and Faith.
    REPENT OF YOUR SINS, TURN FROM YOUR SINFUL LIFE AND BE FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD. AND WATCH THE DEVIL RUN!!!!!
    Jesus Christ, the Messiah, Lord Jehovah, is so much more than stunts and shenanigans on a stage.
    Our creator died on a cross so we, a group of rebellious, filthy, wicked sinners could be reconciled to a Holy, Righteous, and Just God.

    Comment by Rob | July 18, 2008

  170. Preacher, I am trying to look at this objectivly, and I cant for the life of me figure out how you can watch this man in action and even remotely consider him to be a man of GOD! I am trying to see JESUS standing up on stage screaming at the top of his lungs at his people. The point is JESUS didnt have to! His words are truth, they cut like a knife to the heart of any and every issue. He didnt have to scream and turn red in the face. I also for example wonder what Paul would have said to Stacy Campbell and company had he been standing there to witness her exorsist moment at Todds “COMMISIONING”. THESE PEOPLE ARE FALSE PROPHETS AND FALSE APOSTLES!!!! They will lead you where you do not want to go! GODS word is our only instruction manual, if anyone teaches anything that does not line up with it in context throw it as far as you can! Who ever gave us the right to eat the meat and spit out the bones! Where pray tell is that in scripture. I know that you did not say this but I have heard it time and time again. The problem with the new apostolic reformation is they grind it all up to make it palatable and then throw in a little cyanide to boot! Satan is subtle, he is not going to stand up on a bench and tell you what he is doing! Everything that any Pastor, Preacher, Prophet, Evangelist, or Apostle says and or does is serving either GOD or satan. You can not distort the word of GOD and say you are being led by the HOLY SPIRIT! The HOLY SPIRIT testifies of JESUS and is confirmed by GODS word. There is no new wineskin or new wine for that matter. Mark this down, in the very near future we will all see these men and women become more and more blatant with thier falasy, we will also see the new apostolic reformation, word faith, and emergent start to join hands with the catholic church and the u.n.,it has already started! Anyone who is shining the light of GODS word on any of these people will first be told touch not thine annointed (that is already happening) then when that doesnt work we will be ridiculed and lastly will be martyred by these people claiming to be doing GODS will! I do not say this lightly as we had better fill our lamps, we will need every drop of oil. ONLY BY THE GRACE AND STRENGTH OF JESUS!

    Comment by Vince | July 18, 2008

  171. Preacher, in my zeal to write the last letter I forgot to address the issue of hate. I have been going back and forth on this post for some time and the only person that I have seen showing any signs of hate would be Jeff. In all fairness he never used the word hate, so I cant say he hated anyone, he just, as many, doesnt like the light being shined on one of thier superstars. As for myself I do not hate Todd. He is created in the image of GOD, and the word says that GOD is patient and slow to anger desiring that not one soul should perish. There is one question that comes to mind, people say that to say the work of the HOLY SPIRIT is demonic, we would be guilty of blaspheming the HOLY SPIRIT, thus unforgiven, what happens when you are doing works performed by demons and claiming it is the HOLY SPIRIT? Just a little food for thought. GOD BLESS ALL!!

    Comment by Vince | July 18, 2008

  172. Vince – Jeff sent some hateful and also spitefully childish posts in the end but they were deleted.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | July 18, 2008

  173. Miriam, I appriciate this site, I believe sites like this are sorely needed and am thinking of starting one myself. I have spent much time wondering and praying what Im supposed to do. I really believe being a watchman is what Ive been called to do. I have a long story of my life and one day will share it all. Ive only been coming to this site for about a month. I found it by googling Chuck Pierce. I have told some of my history on different posts, maybe you are familiar. If JESUS gives you anything for me please send me an email. As I said I believe Im called to do this, and the more counsel from my brothers and sisters in CHRIST the better. GOD BLESS YOU AND ALL OTHERS WHO ARE SHINING THE LIGHT!

    Comment by Vince | July 19, 2008

  174. I went back and read the postings of this guy “Jeff” and all I found is him giving scpitpure after scripture that you guys asked for!! He said judge for yourself!! And I want to add judge not lest ye be judged… so the same way you are judging someone you will be judged accordingly!! I bet alot of post that speak out against what you people are doing is being removed before it’s posted. Who is running this site anyways??? Hey Redeemed Hippie you said God would never sit back passivly and let ungodly men twist things and lie to advance in Gods kingdom????? Then why doesn’t God come down or send a lightning bolt and blow the place up???? BECAUSE GODS WORD say’s let the wheat grow with the tares and WHEN IT’S TIME I(JESUS) will seperate them!!! If they are not doing Gods work he will handle it!! I LIVE GODS word not just preach it, and further more I was just asking a question I NEVER SAID BENTLY WAS A MAN OF GOD OR THAT ANYTHING GOING ON IN LAKELAND WAS OF GOD!!!!!. YOU PEOPLE ARE SO READY TO JUMP TO A CONCLUSION JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ASKS A QUESTION!!! IT’S UNBELIEVABLE!! Ans God word does say he will baptise you with fire and power, when the Holy Spirit is come and believe me he is come!! REMEMBER NOT EVERYONE THAT SAYS LORD, LORD WILL BE SAVED!!!!

    Comment by Preacher | July 19, 2008

  175. Who is Miriam you speak of Vince???

    Comment by Preacher | July 19, 2008

  176. ‘Preacher’ is actually ‘Jeff’ and well knows who Miriam is as he has sent her (and others) insulting and cursing posts that have been deleted. Jeff, grow up. It is no coincedence that your email address contains ‘wolf’ in it, is it?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | July 19, 2008

  177. First off my name is Clyde not Jeff thank you!! And I am so confused about you guys. I’m asking god to let me see why!!

    Comment by Preacher | July 19, 2008

  178. Jeff/Preacher you are a liar – you even use Jeff’s same email address. Your isp also gives you away if we did not realise it was you – oh yeah along with your same lies and insults and curses (deleted) about us being harlots etc – a harlot btw is one who goes to commit spiritual adultery with false gods and false impartations like YOU have. Do you like lying to the Holy Spirit?

    BTW, I said you did not love truth, by defending black and saying black is white and white is black, and now you prove it still further claiming you are not Jeff and you only found this site three days ago etc etc. This is what Todd Bentley’s impartation does – creates lovers of darkness like Todd who do not fear God any more. Does it feel good for you, Jeff?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | July 19, 2008

  179. Miriam, this Jeff/Preacher guy is emblematic of the “Ahab’ed” men who follow Bentley.

    Like Bentley, they seem to glory in Todd’s phony “machismo” (really misogyny) because he has “manly tattoos” and “sick” piercings and boots old ladies in the head in the Name of the Lord and drives a Harley when he’s not beating people up. IN fact, Todd has been beating people up for years.

    Todd admitted that he used to beat up his own mother.

    (This was probably before, during and after the demons came in Todd’s mom’s bedroom and beat her up for him). This man has admitted demons wrote on his own kitchen cupboards the words 666. His own family did not believe his story when he said that demons beat up his mother, they thought Todd did it.

    Violence is in his blood — let’s not forget that rape and being a member of a homosexual sex gang is about violence, too.

    I heard some nervous pastor try to write off Bentley’s satanic antics by saying “he was fatherless” and not really “fathered” in the church, either.

    Guess what? Who cares about Bentley’s background? Peter and Paul didn’t sit around sweating it out that they had “dysfunctional” family upbringings and neither should we.

    Bentley IS MARRIED WITH CHILDREN. He is a scary person, so demonized I remain astounded at his impact, especially upon single men in the church who kinda like his brand of fake masculinity. (Though I do have to say, with so many charismatic churches being OVERRUN by Jezebel, I mean, let’s be clear. That is the spirit of false prophecy and it does suck the life out of anyone with true authority in a church) But Staci Campbell’s Jezebel spirit or anyone around Todd with it — is no excuse for beating up people.

    Bentley is making Jesus Christ out to be a THUG. So Jeff/Preacher dude, quit acting like a thug on these boards and your emails to dear Miriam. Sir, I don’t know if you have noticed, but you are not a Christian. Have you figured it out yet? Anger therapy is what is needed, Jeff — then you can maybe understand that you need to be carrying the Cross of humility every day for Him in order to qualify.

    Comment by AriseMyLove | July 19, 2008

  180. I just saw an interesting article at herescope.blogspot.com. It starts with an article on The Call. As most of us know, just another segment of the new apostolic reformation. Anyway go down approximatly 6 or 7 paragraphs till you see the word video highlighted, and click on that. VERY EYE OPENING INDEED! It seems we have gotten way off topic, oh well. Please excuse my computer illiteracy, as my wife has tried to teach me to drag and paste but Im a slow learner. Also Jeff- Preacher is positive proof of the spirits attached to this movement. GOD BLESS ALL!!

    Comment by Vince | July 19, 2008

  181. I was just strolling the internet and found this site that I thought was Miriam’s:

    http://thechurchofjesuschrist.wordpress.com/2008/07/18/evangelist-todd-bentley-brings-healing-ministry-to-louisville-courier-journal-the-courier-journal/

    With this fascinating comment on the logistics surrounding the boy Todd raped:

    Polycarp,

    Due to information I received recently that I cannot discuss in public, I happen to know for a fact that Todd Bentley is a violent child molester who used a baseball bat on a little boy’s face to keep him from coming forward with the vile things Bentley did to him. The one case that’s been made public is only one of countless children he’s sexually assaulted, but many parents were afraid to come forward because of physical intimidation by Bentley. Now he tells the parents of terminally ill children to leave them alone with him so he can “do his work” in private. Is there any way we can contact the Florida authorities to at least keep this demon on a short leash?

    Comment by Ev. Duane Williams | July 18, 2008

    Now I know the title of Miriam’s thread here is we should not judge Bentley on his past sin.

    However I maintain the question for Mr. Bentley: WHERE IS YOUR TESTIMONY OF OVERCOMING?

    Lots of rapists, pedophiles and homosexuals need to hear Bentley’s precise method of a horrible Cross he must be bearing daily if he is truly a Christian.

    We all have our Cross to bear in life. We all have a struggle with sin that brings us to our knees before the Lord because without Him, we cannot overcome.

    I’d really like to know what Bentley’s “Cross” is and how he has overcome so he is shown fit to minister. As far as I can tell, Bentley is kicking, beating up people and mocking the weak with his presentation of the Lord.

    God, help the Church. Have mercy on us, we all fall short and we are ashamed of those who parade Your Name as Todd Bentley does.

    Comment by AriseMyLove | July 19, 2008

  182. We don’t need to judge Todd Bentley. The Holy Word of God, also known as the Bible, judges him. If you read it you will see. Too much Oprah and Dr. Phil has ruined reason in America’s churches. Too much purpose driven unconditional eternal security without judgment and other non-scriptural doctrine. Ecumenialism will be the catalyst that creates the Apostate Church of 2nd Thes. The end time church = Great Whore of Babylon.

    Comment by JRob | July 19, 2008

  183. THANK YOU Miriam! Thank you for exposing wolves in our midst, lies and deceptions! I love your passion and zeal. I am sure I am not the only one or there would not be those of us coming back day after day to read your posts. This site truly is a precious gem in the midst of an evil and adulteress generation! It has become more of a “home” to me than any christian circle I could be part of right now. As I have had to give up a few relationships in the name of truth. I just can not tolerate the lies and delusions anymore from the family of God.

    Though there are many of us, though miles seperate us and though we do not know one another, the Truth is here. Jesus is in our midst!

    Thank you again and may God bless you and keep you.

    Comment by redeemedhippie | July 19, 2008

  184. I am sure I am not the only one or there would not be those of us coming back day after day to read your posts.

    As I have had to give up a few relationships in the name of truth.

    Yes, same here.

    Keep it up Miriam!

    Comment by Lee | July 19, 2008

  185. Thanks guys. Please continue to pray for me :)

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | July 19, 2008

  186. >>Now he tells the parents of terminally ill children to leave them alone with him so he can “do his work” in private.

    I have not heard this. Has anyone else?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | July 19, 2008

  187. Jeff/Preacher… for the record…when I said, “But He would NEVER sit back passively and let ungodly men twists things and lie to advance His true Kingdom. He will judge these apostates and blasphmemers,” I meant exactly what I said. God WILL JUDGE.

    You ask, “Then why doesn’t God come down or send a lightning bolt and blow the place up????” Answer>>> Because at the momnet he is merciful. Sooner or later those in false doctrine self-destruct in one way or another. Jim Jones, Heavens’ Gates cults. Oh yes, and Word of Faith cult.

    The fact that it is happening does NOT mean God is behind it. It just means that God will not allow His word to be compromised for the sake of “revival.” Almighty God WILL judge it.

    You said,”BECAUSE GODS WORD say’s let the wheat grow with the tares and WHEN IT’S TIME I(JESUS) will seperate them!!! If they are not doing Gods work he will handle it!!”
    Answer>>> Yes, we all know those scriptures and I think some of us are just now figuring it out. I know I am. I’ve had more charasmatics over the years insinuate I am a tare just because I test things and do not swallow every strange, witchey and new-age doctrine. Well, guess what? The tares are the falseteachers. Simple as that.

    “If they are not doing Gods work he will handle it!!” Gee you sound awful angry about this. Could you be suggesting that the rest of us just sit by and just let things happen without saying a word? Uh uh, ain’t gonna happen. Too many of us are finally coming out of our slumber, too many of us have had enough, too many of us are testing all things and we are not going to shut up. Jesus is using this “move” to seperate those who will come out from the harlot. Oh and guess what, those of us who love truth are not the tares.

    Comment by redeemedhippie | July 19, 2008

  188. Oh man, Jeff you are Preacher?? That’s just NOT cricket!!

    Comment by Deborah | July 19, 2008

  189. It really isn’t about Todd, or Chuck or any of the others.
    When we write a blog, it’s really about us…where we are
    in life, how much change we have permitted the Lord to work in us which affects how we perceive. Gifts and callings are given, but fruit is grown.

    I read many of the blogs on this site and see a critical spirit, judgement of others, religious pride, accusations
    and a lack of humility, love and common decency. So, you think you have divine insight about someone’s ministry?
    So what? You actually believe God is going to bless you
    for slandering others? Oh, you think you are appointed to
    warn others about apostasy and false prophets? Many of us
    can quote scripture, but if we quote it to build ourselves
    up in our own eyes at the expense of others, we have deceived ourselves. Discernment can rightly divide truth
    and can cut through motivations of our own heart. It is
    a painful but necessary process. How we see Todd Bentley
    and all the others, is a reflection of how we see ourselves
    and God.

    Comment by Debi | July 20, 2008

  190. Debi,you said, “How we see Todd Bentley
    and all the others, is a reflection of how we see ourselves
    and God.” What kind of New-Age stuff is that?

    God tells us over and over in His Word there would be apostacy. So much more in the last days.

    Jude 12-22: These (false teachers)are spots in your love feasts,while they feast with you WITHOUT fear, serving ONLY THEMSELVES; they are clouds without water, carried about by winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots; raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever. (Meaning, by the things they teach they have doomed themselves. Hell awaits for them. Unless they repent.)

    Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophised about these men (false teachers) also saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of of His Saints, to execute JUDGMENT on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken AGAINST Him.” THESE are murmerers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, FLATTERING people to gain advantage. But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken BEFORE BY THE APOSTLES of our Lord Jesus Christ: (Note, we are told to remember what the apostles have taught us… NOT false teachers and preachers who preach another Jesus…something “new.”)

    how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to THEIR OWN ungodly lusts. THESE (once again false teachers)are sensual persons, WHO CAUSE divisons, (Note, THEY cause divisions, not those of us who test things)

    NOT HAVING the Spirit. (Note, they DON’T have the Spirit of God. This should cause every one who calls themself a chrisitan to test all things!)But you beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, KEEP YOURSELVES in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

    And on SOME ,making a distinction; (note, we are to test and be able to discern) but others save with fear pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.”

    (Note, even their garments are considered vile.)

    So in knowing all this, why o why do chrisitans still not test anything? Why o why do some still want to make excuses for their ungodliness? Why o why do some still want to believe lies and a delusion? Why o why is it so hard to come to the truth and just admit that many of us have been duped by the “teachers” of these last days? Why o why is it so hard to understand that FINALLY the true Bride, the remnant is rising up saying, “Enough! No more lies! We will not bow the knee to a ‘Jesus” you false ones teach!” Why o why is it so hard for some to just come out from that harlot who calls itself the Bride of Christ?! God have mercy!

    Comment by redeemedhippie | July 20, 2008

  191. How did the smiley get on my post????????

    Comment by redeemedhippie | July 20, 2008

  192. Debi, Im going to guess that you are in agreement as to what the NAR, Todd and company preach teach and do. Maybe you arent, but lets look at the points you bring up. First I would like to speak for myself. I am by no means infallable, and I will admit I must be careful that what I say is true and verifiable. Pride can also be an issue, we must always be on our gaurd that this does not enter in, one of the easiest sins to fall into! Having said that, we are required to judge teaching and or actions according to the word of GOD. First what would you define as a critical spirit, someone who disagrees with you, who asks to be shown proof from scripture to back up what you believe. I call that being wise and a Berean. I think I hit on judgement above, but also what did Paul tell the Corinthians in his first letter? Now as far as religious pride, I do understand pride, but that poor word religion gets tossed around like a hot potato that no one wants to grab onto. Im sorry I dont buy into the spirit of baal really being a religious spirit, which everyone who asks questions of these men and women get pinned on them! Lets go to the accusations department. Is it an accusation that Todd has kicked a person in the stomach while having church or whatever you want to call it. The quotes of Todds, shown again and again, and not the same ones He adds new ones almost daily, and not just him but all his associates as well. Is it an accusation that Stacy Campell prophesied over Todd and had a severe crick in her neck. Lack of humility, If in the process of pointing out these things I or anyone else becomes prideful the HOLY SPIRIT will show us, and if we choose to ignore the HOLY SPIRIT He will have to take us down a couple notches, it still does not take away from the facts. I know I am subject to anything, just as everyone else is. That is why I must go to GOD in prayer and ask for help, and I do! Love, well now this is a tricky one, did my Dad love me when I was 8 and he told me to go out and pick a switch off the tree that he was going to swat me with, of course he did. Did JESUS love the money changers when he turned over the tables and took a whip after them, of course He did, He died on the cross for them. Did Paul love the man he turned over to satan, yes it was for the mans own good. My hope would be that Todd would wake up and see what he is doing and repent. Also if I see something being taught that is wrong am I showing love to all those who are being sucked into it by keeping my mouth shut. What of them? Now, common decency, I really have to be careful on this one, sarcasm begs to come out but will not. I really dont know what you mean by this? Do you mean we should just sit back and say nothing? If GOD has called me and others to point these things out it would not be in our best interest to keep our mouths shut!! Truth is usually a bitter pill, hard to swallow, believe me I know, yet it is for our own good! I think I touched on slander when I went through the accusations part. Now to point out a few things, the very things you say to us, you are doing, your whole comment is a judgement you have passed on us. You dont know me, or anyone else on here for that matter. These things that we are pointing out can be verified, can you verify anything you said in your comment? One more thing are you suggesting that we have not grown enough in the lord or are not mature enough to recognize what Todd and his friends are doing as being of the LORD? Listen if this stuff is from GOD then the bible is a lie! Then we really dont know what right or wrong is or truth or lie. I will believe GODS WORD!!!!! Anything the HOLY SPIRIT DOES IS VERIFYABLE IN THE WORD AND WILL TESTIFY OF JESUS, OUR LORD AND SAVIOR!!!!! GOD BLESS ALL!!

    Comment by Vince | July 20, 2008

  193. Can you believe it, Jeff/Preacher tried to come back with yet another alias?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | July 20, 2008

  194. Redeemedhippie,

    How did the smiley get on my post????????

    What – you’re happy and you don’t know it? lol

    Smileys come by using by using a colon, semi-colon, quotes then a closed parenthesis. That’s why I’ve been using [ ] instead. That is unless I want a smiley. ;-)

    Comment by Lee | July 20, 2008

  195. I echo the comments word for word of post 183 ‘redeemed hippie’..couldn’t have said it better !

    Comment by Sheena | July 20, 2008

  196. DEBI WROTE “It really isn’t about Todd, or Chuck or any of the others. When we write a blog, it’s really about us…where we are
    in life, how much change we have permitted the Lord to work in us which affects how we perceive. Gifts and callings are given, but fruit is grown.

    I read many of the blogs on this site and see a critical spirit, judgment of others, religious pride, accusations and a lack of humility, love and common decency. So, you think you have divine insight about someone’s ministry? So what? You actually believe God is going to bless you for slandering others?

    Oh, you think you are appointed to
    warn others about apostasy and false prophets? Many of us can quote scripture, but if we quote it to build ourselves
    up in our own eyes at the expense of others, we have deceived ourselves.

    Discernment can rightly divide truth
    and can cut through motivations of our own heart. It is a painful but necessary process.

    How we see Todd Bentley and all the others, is a reflection of how we see ourselves and God. Comment by Debi | July 20, 2008

    THANKS DEBI

    Now I WILL TELL YOU where you are wrong, using Paul’s admonition in Corinthians:
    “OF THOSE ON THE OUTSIDE, GOD IS THE JUDGE; BUT OF THOSE ON THE INSIDE, YOU ARE THE JUDGES”

    1. You are writing as if there is no DAMAGE being done to the saints by this Apostolic Prophetic Cult.

    You are writing as if we Christians (especially charismatics) are to SHUT DOWN OUR MINDS and keep our spirits open to any wind of doctrine that may “feel” good.

    3. You are attempting to say that we either are the same as Todd Bentley or deserve this plague of the Apostolic Prophetic Cult. You do understand we are dealing with Anti-Christ here, not some nice-y nice-y well-meaning situation?

    4. Slander? Prove it. I don’t see any slander going on here. Slander is telling what is known to be a lie to besmirch the character of someone with public speech. (You actually mean libel but you are probably a charismatic who is rather unschooled and proud of it.)

    We are to judge this Cult, Debi. Sorry if you think, no let me re-phrase in NAR terms — sorry if you “discern” that we are in a “critical spirit”.

    Criticism is actually a constructive thing, Debi. I should know. I have studied formal criticism (do you even know what that is? Yes, it is actually a formal art) I was a theatrical critic and a film critic for years.

    Now listen up, honey.

    I’m about to give you a short grad school lesson:

    Good criticism or formal criticism takes one set of standards and applies them to a work of art, a performance or a set of beliefs themselves that purport one thing but may signify another.

    This site is taking the BIBLE and holding up these deluded souls to the standard of the Bible.

    Why are we getting such flak here for doing so?

    It is an interesting question. And an interesting answer.

    The reason we are getting so much flak, from people like you, Debi, is because, unlike the criticism of the Hank Hanegraff’s and John McArthur’s of days past — WE ARE CHARISMATICS OURSELVES.

    For the first time, it is not EVANGELICALS who are coming against the Toronto Blessing or Lakeland, evangelicals who do not believe in the gifts It is CHARISMATICS. And this is because of a simple reason: TIME.

    Yes, Time has passed for the fruit of the Toronto Blessing. And it hasn’t come. What has come is deluded people who have lives that don’t work. The sick get sicker. The mentally ill get more mentally ill. The fruit of the Kansas city movement has come ripe and it STINKS. That is what you are reacting to. We are charismatics and we know these people we are criticizing.

    We know the LINGO. We have been wounded, seen faith slaughtered, seen saints called to high things in Christ RIPPED TO SHREDS, seen ministries and friends we love devoured, deluded and maybe taken to hell. That is why we are getting flak. Charismatics who think are trying to show the deluded charismatics their delusion. And the deluded don’t like it. It upsets their apple cart.

    So, sorry, Debi. Todd Bentley has nothing on me. I reacted the same strong way to him with my friends in leadership at my small church three years ago when Bentley came to Che Ahn’s deceived church in Pasadena.

    My spirit was so upset over Todd Bentley that night that I could not shut up. And this was BEFORE THE ANGEL/DEMON WORSHIP, BEFORE THE TATTOOS, BEFORE TODD BECAME SO DEMONIZED THAT HE NO LONGER LOOKS HUMAN BUT HAS A SERPENT LOOK ABOUT HIS FACE AND COUNTENANCE.

    So Debi, sorry, but you better be on your knees praying for every one of your friends in this movement. This is the End Time Delusion that GOD PROMISED HE WOULD SEND. This is the deluded anti Christ Joel 2 army of Anti Christ.

    Let me ask you a better question, Debi.

    Do you tolerate false prophecy in your church or personal life?

    Do you think false prophecy is just a “learning curve” — and “people will improve with prophetic accuracy”?

    Do you think it is fine for you and your friends to falsely prophecy once in a while?

    Waiting for an answer.

    And yes, Debi, it is ABOUT CHUCK PIERCE. IT IS ABOUT TODD BENTLEY. It is not about me. It is about pointing out liars and doctrines of demons and false prophets AS GOD INSTRUCTS US TO DO TO PURIFY THE CHURCH.

    I think it is people like you, Debi, who need Todd and Chuck to feel good. To take responsibility for your own faith for you. So you can remain a “child” in your faith and not ever face the fierce truth in love of who Jesus Christ really is.

    You do realize, this is the epitome of cult mentality, Debi? Pray, Debi, pray.

    Comment by AriseMyLove | July 21, 2008

  197. Amen, Vince!

    Comment by redeemedhippie | July 21, 2008

  198. i want to share something that happened most recently….in short an old friend of mine that i grew up with and ran around with and we did all our sinning together(this was years ago 1970s,he moved to california and i stayed here in illinois…anyhow he was always hard hearted towards the Lord because his 2 older brothers got saved and went to a local charsmatic church that fell into false teachings in the early 80s and we both saw the foolishness,also he grew up in a catholic family which all together will mess you up..then the jim bakker thing and swaggart thing and all the other excuses people can comes up with messed him up even more..i got saved about 15 years ago and his younger brother got saved at the same time and we both had great solid doctrinal teaching…anyway he could’nt deny we really had something because we have familys and God has truley blessed us and we truely have been made into new creatures(praise God)anyway he settled down and wanted what we had but he never humbled himself towards the Lord and he got married to a sweet girl who had a little boy and he seemed to be doing alright for about 18 months and out of no where he ended his life and that was 3 weeks ago and only God knows that final hour but i can say he never confessed Christ and he even forbid his wife from going to church even though she wanted to,anyhow-i know all the foolishness that has come down from false teachings,greed in the church and all the other junk we have been warned about in the Word that can and will and has happened in the body of Christ he saw over the years and wanted nothing to do with it and it seems by the time at he saw his younger brother living the life the life that Christ won for him on the cross maybe it was to late because of his hard heartedness towards God..only God knows…i’m so sick of so-called Christians so-called filled and annointed ones making a mockery of the Holy Spirit,they belittle Christ and they explain a God that i don’t know and all the while millions right next door are lost…they say thousands are being saved everytime we have a “meeting” well if thats true then those thousands will tell thousands more and so on and so forth and in a very short time the whole country should be saved because this is thee “revival” the new thing,the fire..yep theres fire alright..if it sounds like i’m upset your right..false teachings,false prophets,false revivals have been around a long time and the effects of it go deep…what my friend did was wrong but what happened to him was evil and wicked and this is what i’m going to do about it..i’m going to continue…continue to study God’s word to be approved of Him,my desire is to rightly divide the word of Truth,to be ready in and out of season and i will not be ashamed…it is sad that a website like this has to be..but it has to be…thanks for letting me vent alittle.JCL

    Comment by John C | July 21, 2008

  199. If he committed this sin or any other and he repents and turns from it of course he is forgiven… However a minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is to be the husband of one wife and be of good report.. He should NOT be in any Ministry and if anyone entertains them in this capacity in their Church they are letting down their flock… PERIOD… He can do anything for Jesus except be around any children and preach the Gospel or conduct meetings in any church.. or anywhere…

    Comment by angela | July 21, 2008

  200. Jeff has now posted lies on other blogs about why he claims he was ‘banned’ from here – not the truth of course – he will not even confess up it was him defending himself under the other aliases.

    Jeff/Preacher/Clyde/Ron and all your other aliases – you are not welcome here and your worst barrage of posts were deleted as they were rude childish insults, and/or curses against me and others you did not like what we said, and you repeatedly lied, NOT for the new reason – another lie – you now claim. All for these lies for defending Todd Bentley, another liar and lover of the works of darkness. Wow!

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | July 21, 2008

  201. Is the allegation about Todd a real allegation, or is it only from the original poster.

    If this turns out to be true, will Wagner cover it up?

    I feel sick to the core.

    Shalom.

    :(

    Comment by Bull | July 21, 2008

  202. Shalom Bull,

    See this video from just before the 6 minute mark, Todd explains a little.

    Comment by Eve | July 21, 2008

  203. Thanks Eve, I’ll attempt to look at it later today.

    Shalom.

    Comment by Bull | July 21, 2008

  204. This is unbelievable! How could this have happened?
    This man is a man of God that has healed many including me!
    That is so wierd that people do sexual sins and then become a healer!

    Comment by Sissy | July 26, 2008

  205. How did he heal you Sissy?

    Todd has acknowledged that he had a ‘troubled’ youth. If this is in his past and has remained there, if he has repented of his past and been forgiven, then Praise God!

    Unfortunately, the further allegation involves him during his ministry. In fact, during healing ministry itself.

    Does God heal? Yes.
    Does it depend on the ‘Healer’ or the ‘Healed’?
    Or does it simply depend on God?

    Does it depend on attending a specific place of worship, or being touched by a specific human being? Or does it only depend on Jesus?

    How is being worshiped at Lakeland? God? or Todd?

    What about the healings?
    well, what about them?
    So what if people have been healed? If there was a big revival in the local Mormon temple, and people were being healed, would you then say that this was of God? Or in a JW Kingdom Hall? The local spiritualist church? The local Mosque?

    What’s the difference? They all acknowledge Jesus or Christ, don’t they?

    In the final analysis, all that matters is what kind of God is related to us, and the nature of who Jesus of Nazareth really is. Spiritual manifestations are irrelevant by themselves, and can only be evaluated by a thorough comparative analysis of the phenomenon and the Bible. We also have to understand the theology being presented alongside the signs and wonders shown.

    If we are not careful, we end up validating dodgy doctrine through signs and wonders instead of validating signs and wonders through sound doctrine.

    In other words, if what he says is good teaching, then that proves what he does is from God. However, if what he says is from the Devil, then how can his signs and wonders be from God?

    You know when there are real problems with an evangelist? When there are mobile ATM’s at the back of the tent. In Australia, Hill$ong and Christian City Church are masters of the prosperity gospel. In big events, they even have envelopes on every seat with a credit card slip inside, so that you can give on credit. (Even though God said that debt is a sin!)

    Yes, I know, the rent on the space they were using was $15,000 dollars a day. But with 10,000 in attendance, if only 3000 of them gave 5$ each, that would cover the rent.

    It’s not unrealistic to think that, on average, they each give ten dollars a night. $100,000 dollars a night. They have been going 110 days or more. That would give them all a total of $11 million dollars. Taking into consideration the venue, the cost of running it and so on (not including GodTV coverage). If they were spending 30,000 per day, they would be left with 70,000 x 110 = 7,700,000 split between ignited church and fresh-fire ministries.

    I would love to see the unadulterated accounts. Assuming that there are any accurate records!

    Comment by Bull | July 28, 2008

  206. I have read the for’s and against comments. Why are we as christians so gullible? Because they believe the Bible say’s don’t judge. But does it say we can’t spiritually judge? What happened to try the spirits? Some of you need to take off your rosey sunglasses and open your eyes real big and open your ears to what this man is saying. If we have to have a Criminal Background Check to work with children why would you question people who are concerned and maybe a little afraid or like me a little angry. Yes I will tell the truth he is getting over on you. Ask God for wisdom God says he will give it to you if you ask.

    Comment by Janice | July 29, 2008

  207. I want to keep my record right with God to help others. If I try to please people I could fall. I am trying to please God. I do not want to see even one of my sisters or brothers in Christ Jesus made a fool of. I know there are some very loving christians. For all you who love Todd I would like you to be my freind because you are a faithful
    friend. You need to look at all his videos on line over and over. Picture your Jesus saying or doing what he is. You will probably be ashamed you got caught up in his magic or should I say entertainment. All I can say this will make you wiser when the next Todd comes along. Give your money to the starving children and love your neighbor God will Bless you with miracles!

    Comment by Janice | July 29, 2008

  208. When there are mobile ATM’s at the back of the tent. In Australia, Hill$ong and Christian City Church are masters of the prosperity gospel. In big events, they even have envelopes on every seat with a credit card slip inside, so that you can give on credit. (Even though God said that debt is a sin!

    I know the American culture of (mis)using the credit card as a way to spend money beyond one’s resources but that is not the case in every situation.
    They really do not leave anything to chance. As long as you are on their site chances are higher that you will give into to their pleading.

    Comment by Obelix | July 29, 2008

  209. Todd Bentley, we are living in Persian Gulf and have been watching your programmes through TV and u r really a blessed man of God. Let God Almighty bless your ministries again and again in a most powerful way.

    Comment by Susan Kurian | August 4, 2008

  210. ok the thing is to me in my OWN OPINION as i am not judgeing bentley, to me it seems like he exploits religion and uses his “healing powers” for his own personal gain of the root of all evil..money as i will garenty you if i were to walk onstage for him to “heal” me…i sertanly would not fall to the ground and start shaking rediculisly, for i would not be a staged actor.

    If he really wants to do somthing NOBAL in the eyes of god and jesus, perhaps he could donate his accunulated weath through the missledings of his church gowers, to proccedes twords medicines and vacines to africa were a child could get another chance at life because they were able to recive the medication they needed for what ever kind of disease they have. Who knows maybe he has begged for forgiveness for his twisted sins or he didnt only jesus and god know the truth, and the truth of what his real aggenda is….as well as what he did to earn his lightning bolt tattoos in prison. again i apoligize to bently fallowers or if i have offended anyone else in any way im just stating my own opinion for i know it is hard to turn away from your demons and pray for forgiveness even now i still struggle as they still haunt my past thank you.

    Comment by onehundredpercentboe | August 11, 2008

  211. onehundredpercentboe, NEVER apologise for speaking truth. Whatever it may be. Do not be afraid to test all things and speak the truth.

    Comment by redeemedhippie | August 11, 2008

  212. No matter how he tries Todd will not fool a Christian that looks to test everything against scripture. And since he won’t read any scripture or quote the gospel, I find it difficult to believe that he is “called of God”. Not that God can’t use someone like Todd, he has used worse. However, it seems unlikely that anyone would be truly converted without hearing the gospel. How can you believe in something you have never heard of, how can you be a follower of Jesus if you haven’t been truly introduced to him though his word.

    God will judge Todd as he will judge those others like him such as, Joel Osteen, Benny Hin, Creflo Dollar, and the like. Those that sell God as an almighty ATM, God will judge them.

    “Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? … And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

    Comment by MotherGreen | August 19, 2008

  213. Good post MotherGreen

    Doesn’t all of this just make you tremble before God that nothing false be in us? Will there be anything greater than that moment when Jesus looks at us one at a time before the Bema seat and smiles as He says, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant. Enter into the joy of the Lord.”

    If you’re not living to hear that, you’re not living.

    Comment by BB | August 19, 2008

  214. I was saddened to hear the news. But reassurred that there is information from reliable sources, to be able to make a sound judgement. We are told to test the spirits. I regularly look at the fresh fire blog, and find it is inhabited by the vulnerable and imature, and just pain foolish misguided people. You ask questions about Todd bentley and everyone start to bind the devil, come against rumours etc. We need to be very vigilant in these last days.
    Pentecostal Pastor

    Comment by Pastor David Price | August 19, 2008

  215. I have a sister (Christian),who has spoken highly of Todd Bentley. I cannot beleive she would talk highly of convicted child molester. When I was a child I was sexually abused by someone in their teens as well. My abuser later claimed to be a Christian. I don’t beleive in the Christian philosophy because it is too “easy” just to “pray” away horrible crimes and then turn to pointing fingers at non-Christian beleivers. I “beleive” Todd would be much happier becoming a Catholic Preast!

    Comment by StandAlone | August 20, 2008

  216. My information source on Todd Bentley came from a Wikapedia website. This was one of the many pages listed. My apology because this is respectfully a Christian blog site. By all account my earlier post was ” rudely judemental.” However I must state that I do not beleive any molester or murderer should have “equal rights” when their victim’s live with perminant scars. However I do beleive in forgivness.Christians claim that God can lift all of our sins and heal us and I respect their beleifs. My apologies to all of you devout Christian bloggers.”Peace.”

    Comment by StandAlone | August 20, 2008

  217. StandAlone – the glory is that there is healing available for the abused. The scars do not have to be perminant. That in no way negates the horror of what happened to them, it only points to the glory of God.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 20, 2008

  218. For once, I would like to see a Christian blogger, minister, ministry, preacher, anyone with a public platform show some standard with regards to who we allow to be our representatives in the pulpit. We as the church have allowed almost anyone to stand in our pulpits and minister because they name the name of Christ and claim to be born again – i.e. a new creature.

    The New Testament for moral failure is very clear time and time again. Those with sexual issues should be disciplined and if repentant, forgiven and accepted back into the church body – NOT INTO MINISTRY! There is not one single New Testament example which clearly shows someone fallen in sexual sin being restored and placed into ministry.

    The same standard should have been held for Todd Bentley. In fact, had that standard been held, there would not be the controversy no surrounding the church again because of Todd’s confession about an inappropriate relationship with someone on his staff. Get real people and hold some standards to those in the pulpit for a change. The same way I would never leave my kids alone with a pedophile, I would not let even a reformed pedophile stand in the pulpit either.

    Comment by Darren | August 22, 2008

  219. Well I am so glad to see that people are waking up about Todd Bentley. I was so upset to set leaders and preachers of the church following him. One of the them was a christian teacher of the word. This person taught on the false teachers. But what I saw was the desperation of the
    people to be healed. There are alot of sick people that are
    christians and the devil knows it. After all he is the one who put sickness and disease and addictions on us. If you are a follower of Tod Bently perhaps you a new christian. Satan will use man for a season but it will evently end.

    Comment by Janice Tomchuk | September 9, 2008

  220. Since I turned in a pedophile who was part of a church..I am very against about anyone who does ministry in the church with that kind of background. The pedophile I turned in will remain in jail for many years. I know of 9 victims, 3 who reported this pedophile..there were many more out there that have been abused by this one pedophile.
    There is too much sexual abuse going on in the church today, it is time for ‘clean up’ the church from all sexual sins.
    I have a ministry born out of my experiences of dealing with one pedophile, now I advocate for children in both the US and the Philippines. I am a advocate, activist, and mother, a daughter of the King, who believes all children need a safe and loving place called the ‘church’ to come to and worship and grow spiritually, without any fear of being abused. We need to advocate for our children, keeping them abuse free.

    Comment by Lela | October 3, 2008

  221. it seems tod had some deeper issues that he and others were not aware of that only showed up under the stress of ministery at this high of a level what we have sometimes only shows up under pressure like a radiator with a leak the leak only is revealed under pressure and not that the pressure created the leak but that the pressure revealed the leak

    Comment by george | October 12, 2008

  222. i think todd bently is afrud and shuld not be preaching

    Comment by woodrow steadman | December 3, 2008

  223. I wonder if people think that Todd is cure of want to molest boys? If he likes molesting boys, is that a manifestation of him being gay? Can gay people be cured of being gay or it is innate?

    Christians scare the hell outta me. They’re will to believe anything as long as God or Jesus is attached to it.

    There is no cure for being gay or wanting to molest boys. Many child molesters talk about how hard it is to suppress the urges to touch a child sexually. And they always seem to slip up or they slip up again. But how’s Todd about to control his urges. Is it Jesus? Or does he have another toy, we don’t know about?

    Comment by Vishal | January 7, 2009

  224. I have thoroughly read the story and skimmed through the comments. Everyone seems to be focusing so much on Bentley, however, have they given their full attention to the fact that the family of the child that had been molested is always quick to call out to the media, or others of Todd’s, past? It is so obvious to me that they are still suffering over this. They are constantly speaking out about it publicly. I can see the hurt, because I too had been in the same shoes as this family. I had been a young girl who had been molested and also is a mother whose children have been molested. I had been angry, and spoke out to everyone about what happened to my children. I never took into consideration how this made my children feel. Due to my pain, so many people knew what my children had been through. They had their own humiliation. I dealt with my own pain. I gave my life over to the Lord. I surrendered my life to Christ, and put away all the old things, when I let go of self, that is when I experience forgiveness, and all the shame, guilt, and feeling like I should have tried harder to be a better mother, that’s when I received peace. My prayers are that these people are believers in God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit and that all their burdens are lifted and left at the foot of the cross. I am free. I haven’t forgotten, I have forgiven.

    Comment by Belinda | January 12, 2009


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