John Crowder and the New Mystics, Sons of Thunder
There are some people on the ‘Christian’ circuit that you see that you know almost right away are lying and faking it and are charlatans. There are others you see that you know almost right away are not faking it and are deeply sincere, committed and passionate for God. And this young man, I believe to be one of them (although I’m not saying he’s as deeply sincere about everything he does or says): John Crowder who I believe thinks himself to be immensely in love with the real Lord Jesus Christ. See this clip here:
However, John Crowder has been decieved into believing that what he is experiencing (Toronto Blessing/Brownsville-Pensacola/Rodney Howard Browne/The River/Todd Bentley/third wave manifestations) are good and godly. Hence why he is crying for ‘More, Lord’! He really does think they come from God and are a blessing and are beneficial and worthy of attention. Not only is he experiencing odd and unscriptural things (that are in fact actually mocking and distracting and hindering him), but he teaches and prophesies odd and unscriptural things too and is experiencing ‘another Jesus’. But unlike some false prophets and false teachers, I do not think he intentionally makes it up, and I do not think he misleads intentionally, and he thinks it is the real Jesus he is experiencing. But nobody said that some deceived people and false prophets cannot be very sincere. John Crowder is much like I think John Lacy may have been - a sincere and passionate man after God who was passionately led off course http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/a-hungry-man-running-after-god-on-amazing-spiritual-experiences/
John Crowder has a ministry called ‘The New Mystics’. Although I recognise ’seer’ and ‘mystic’ is the latest buzzword in charismatic circles, and it probably makes them sound different and cool (to some), I still wonder why any genuine Christian prophetic ministry would want to call themselves ‘the new mystics’ when the biblical word ‘prophet’ has always been more than adequate - if that is indeed what they are. And what’s with the ‘new’ when it should be the same ‘old time’ gospel message proclaimed as 2000 years ago? But he is right to call himself ‘new’ as it is a new message - one that contradicts and replaces the gospel with another Jesus, a new Jesus, an interfaith Jesus who points to Rome. Mysticism has always been linked with Roman Catholicism, and even before I knew that is what he called himself, I noted the Catholic almost mocking mannerisms (that I am sure he was not aware he was doing and were quite subconscious) - and by Catholic manifestations, I mean the crossing himself and the ‘papal’ blessing with his fingers, which is quite obvious when you watch it on the video. (The bilocation he mentions is also Catholic mysticism straight out of Padre Pio’s textbook)
Then as well as discovering his ministry name, I discovered that as well as being associated with the usual false prophets, apostles, heretics and apostates (Todd Bentley, Joshua Mills and John Sandford) John Crowder is also associated with the new breed of stigmatics such as Lucy Rael. Todd Bentley and Matt Sorger (a Bentley associate), among others endorse his book ‘The New Mystics’ , which on the cover advocates the lives and teachings of a diverse bunch - William Branham, William Seymour, Aimee Semple McPherson, George Whitefield, Sundar Singh, Brother Lawrence, Teresa of Avila, Madame Guyon, Charles Finney, Smith Wigglesworth, Maria Woodworth-Etter, St John of the Cross and Jonathan Edwards - indicating a complete lack of discernment as many heretics are included in this list - a high percentage of Catholics of course.
I have often said where I think this antichrist anointing with its antichrist apostles and antichrist prophets is pointing - to Rome. Perhaps this video gives us one more little sign of it.
It makes me deeply sad, as I see a very passionate but deceived man. It reminds me that the ones who will do Satan’s work in the ’new move’ are not all unrepentant brazen charlatans, liars, merchandisers, and thieves. They will not all be aware of the identity of the true god they serve. They will think of themselves passionately in love with God, when in fact they sleep with a harlot and commit spiritual adultery and serve and follow demons masquerading as angels of light. Like millions of others before them, in other counterfeit moves, they will think they do God’s work. What can I say to any man, but test the spirits so you are not one of them.
Satan has always had a finger in the church right from the time of Constantine. So it could be said that there have been two ‘churches’ running parallel throughout history.
There is no better way for Satan to operate than within the organisation, as he already runs this world. How else can he defeat God than to steal away what rightly belongs to Him? To have people think they are following Jesus, when they are following deception. People cannot be deceived if they are aware of it.
I think this is why John is so amazed when he sees the woman drunk with the blood of the saints in Rev 17:6. It’s the (other) church that proclaims Jesus.
I heard Todd Bentley say the other day “How much is a soul worth?” How much indeed to buy and sell the souls of man…
Wow…..
I didn’t even get through 2 minutes of it and it was quite obvious, quite clear that Satan is using this man and making him a mockery. ‘
Why is everyone laughing? That is not holy! That is not GOD!
His eyes are closed the whole time and he’s moving about and making guttural, nonsensical noises like he’s possessed — kind of like the spirit in him reveals mockingly. He’s basically walking around and behaving like a puppet on strings.
I love especially how the spirit (take note, also, people that demons, Satan, etc. know the Holy Bible…Satan even quoted scripture to Jesus the Christ during his temptation period) flips the Isaiah passage, when it’s actually talking about the people like this poor man wrapped in a stupor because he’s a slave to signs and wonders.
People, this is the danger of ‘meditating’ ’soaking’ and getting into trances. You don’t need these things to experience GOD. You don’t need to ‘open yourself up to the spirit realm.’ It is a fast way to open yourself up to possession. The Holy Spirit doesn’t want to take over your mind or you’re body like you’re some type of empty shell. The Holy Spirit wants to abide with you and bring you peace, not make you behave in an unrighteous, undignified manner.
‘Get whacked. Stay whacked. Never go back.’
LORD have mercy on us.
You are right on. It’s all pretty sad and sickening, isn’t it?
http://morebooksandthings.blogspot.com/2007/11/slosh-fests-new-mystics-and.html
Slosh fest?! I have heard it all! Interesting blog by the way.
Quote from Carla’s blog…
The the signs and wonders/prophetic movement appears to be converging with the contemplative movement, and those are both converging with the ecumenical movement, which is converging with the interfaith/New Age thing…. It’s all coming together.
I agree - one world religion here we come.
Thank you. I am just glad to see others speaking the truth.
Your blog is amazing, don’t know why I only noticed it last week. Thanks for all your hard expose work!
God bless you!
(By the way, I fixed some things in that Slosh Fest post.)
By the looks of your sight no one is an honest believer… except you.
Hi Miriam
Just to let you know this is a big thing in south wales at the moment, Antioch Church in Llanelli, have just had a conferance which has been extended for another two weeks. This is down right demonic, there was no preaching, no worship, just a load of shaking and sensational stuff going on which was clearly the ocult in place. There is an element of whichcraft come into carasmatic teaching, and the sonner we come back to good old pentecostal doctrines the better.
This group, is awful, and the sad thing is, there has not been one soul saved, healed or delivered as yet.
With this gruop i agree, the new mystics, are just that, unbelievable and biblical heretics.
Rev David M Owen
Pentecostal Holiness Church Continuing
“Crowder…”
“Crowley…”
Anybody remember the Ozzy Osborne song “Mister Crowley” about ol’ Creepy Alistair?
I think there’s great potential for a filk/parody here.
“MISTER CROWDER…”
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:19 PM, pat holliday wrote:
Hello Dear Ones;
This one’s real Shocker. If I were you, I’d stay away from these demonic meetings and I’d certainly protect the children.You might get an “impartation” of something that’s hard to get rid of. Cover yourself with the blood of Jesus and pray before reading the article.
Yes, I do encourage you to forward these articles. How will they know unless a preacher is sent?
You’ll find new article here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/3482527/Todd-Bentley-John-Crowder-AFTERGLOW-Summer-Solstice-Witchcraft-wizards-
Blessings and do be in prayer from me, family and team. We are all covered by the blood of Jesus and the Fire of the Holy Ghost.
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AFTERGLOW getting high on Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkBLnmdJ2SY
Summer Solstice Witchcraft wizards
~soul snatchers & soul scalpers Bentley and Chowder want disconnect you from the Jesus of the Bible and link you to the Awakened Beings they are calling angels who they say are from the divine realm existing in the Third Heaven. They want to take you through an occultist wormhole, the sorceries, long sought “Stargate of the gods.” Their witchcraft experiences want to teach you about the powerful new “electrical energies” bathing your spirits with the anointing of the Ascended Masters powers of the New Age.
Ps 91
Psalms 91
91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.
KJV
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