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John Crowder and the New Mystics, Sons of Thunder

There are some people on the ‘Christian’ circuit that you know almost right away are lying and faking it and are outright charlatans. There are others you see on the circuit that you know almost right away are not   faking it, who are deeply sincere, committed and passionate for God. And others are a mixture.

John Crowder, based on the following video, seems to be passionate about “God” and sincere about spirituality (although I’m not saying he’s as deeply sincere or honest about everything  he does or says, nor do I say he is right.)  I believe he honestly thinks himself to be immensely in love with “Jesus”- but which Jesus? See this clip here: 

John Crowder has been deceived into believing that what he is experiencing on this video – Toronto Blessing, Lakeland Outpouring/Todd Bentley, third wave manifestations - are good and godly. Hence why he is crying for ‘More, Lord’!   He really does  think they come from God and are a blessing and are beneficial and worthy of attention.  {Though I have since seen other videos where John Crowder does seem as if he is  hamming it up and faking it for the audience – perhaps he thinks this deception helps God out.]

Not only is John Crowder experiencing odd and unscriptural things (that are in fact actually mocking and distracting and hindering him and his audience), but he teaches and prophesies odd and unscriptural things too and is experiencing ‘another Jesus’. 

Perhaps he genuinely thinks it is the real Jesus he is experiencing. But nobody said that some deceived people and false prophets cannot be sincere in their own way. John Crowder could be like I think John Lacy may have been – a sincere and passionate man after God who was passionately led off course {see http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/a-hungry-man-running-after-god-on-amazing-spiritual-experiences/]

John Crowder has a ministry called ‘The New Mystics’. Although I recognise ’seer’ and ‘mystic’ are the latest buzzwords in charismatic circles, and it probably makes them sound different and cool (to some), I still wonder why any genuine Christian prophetic ministry would want to call themselves ‘the new mystics’ when the biblical word ‘prophet’ has always been more than adequate – if that is indeed what they are. And what’s with the ‘new’ when it should  be the same ‘old time’ gospel message proclaimed as 2000 years ago? But he is right to call himself ‘new’ as it is  a new message – one that contradicts and replaces the gospel with another Jesus, a new Jesus, an interfaith Jesus who points to Rome.

Mysticism has always been linked with Roman Catholicism, and even before I knew that is what Crowder called himself, I noted the Catholic almost mocking mannerisms – and by Catholic manifestations, I mean the crossing himself and the ‘papal’ blessing with his fingers, which is quite obvious when you watch it on the video. (The bilocation he mentions is also Catholic mysticism straight out of Padre Pio’s textbook – he borrows heavily from numerous Catholic mystics and sometimes ministers dressed up in a brown monk’s habit.)

I also discovered that as well as being associated with the usual band of false prophets, apostles, heretics and apostates (Todd Bentley, Joshua Mills and John Sandford) John Crowder is also associated with the new breed of stigmatics such as Lucy Rael. Todd Bentley and Matt Sorger (a Bentley associate), among others endorse his book ‘The New Mystics’,  which on the cover advocates the lives and teachings of a diverse bunch - William Branham, William Seymour, Aimee Semple McPherson, George Whitefield, Sundar Singh, Brother Lawrence, Teresa of Avila, Madame Guyon, Charles Finney, Smith Wigglesworth, Maria Woodworth-Etter, St John of the Cross and Jonathan Edwards - indicating a complete lack of discernment as many heretics are included in this list - a high percentage of Catholics of course. 

I have often said where I think this antichrist anointing with its antichrist apostles and antichrist prophets is pointing -  to Rome. Perhaps this video gives us one more little sign of it.

It makes me deeply sad, as I see a very passionate but deceived man.

It reminds me that the ones who will do Satan’s work in the ’new move’ are not all unrepentant brazen charlatans,  liars, merchandisers, and thieves. They will not all be aware of the identity of the true god they serve. They will think of themselves passionately in love with God, when in fact they sleep with a harlot and commit spiritual adultery and serve and follow demons masquerading as angels of light. Like millions of others before them, in other counterfeit moves, they will think   they do God’s work.  What can I say to any man, but test the spirits so you are not one of them.

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  1. Satan has always had a finger in the church right from the time of Constantine. So it could be said that there have been two ‘churches’ running parallel throughout history.

    There is no better way for Satan to operate than within the organisation, as he already runs this world. How else can he defeat God than to steal away what rightly belongs to Him? To have people think they are following Jesus, when they are following deception. People cannot be deceived if they are aware of it.

    I think this is why John is so amazed when he sees the woman drunk with the blood of the saints in Rev 17:6. It’s the (other) church that proclaims Jesus.

    I heard Todd Bentley say the other day “How much is a soul worth?” How much indeed to buy and sell the souls of man…

    Comment by MM | May 6, 2008

  2. Wow…..

    I didn’t even get through 2 minutes of it and it was quite obvious, quite clear that Satan is using this man and making him a mockery. ‘

    Why is everyone laughing? That is not holy! That is not GOD!

    His eyes are closed the whole time and he’s moving about and making guttural, nonsensical noises like he’s possessed — kind of like the spirit in him reveals mockingly. He’s basically walking around and behaving like a puppet on strings.

    I love especially how the spirit (take note, also, people that demons, Satan, etc. know the Holy Bible…Satan even quoted scripture to Jesus the Christ during his temptation period) flips the Isaiah passage, when it’s actually talking about the people like this poor man wrapped in a stupor because he’s a slave to signs and wonders.

    People, this is the danger of ‘meditating’ ’soaking’ and getting into trances. You don’t need these things to experience GOD. You don’t need to ‘open yourself up to the spirit realm.’ It is a fast way to open yourself up to possession. The Holy Spirit doesn’t want to take over your mind or you’re body like you’re some type of empty shell. The Holy Spirit wants to abide with you and bring you peace, not make you behave in an unrighteous, undignified manner.

    ‘Get whacked. Stay whacked. Never go back.’

    LORD have mercy on us.

    Comment by LaVrai | May 6, 2008

  3. You are right on. It’s all pretty sad and sickening, isn’t it?

    http://morebooksandthings.blogspot.com/2007/11/slosh-fests-new-mystics-and.html

    Comment by carla | May 6, 2008

  4. Slosh fest?! I have heard it all! Interesting blog by the way.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 6, 2008

  5. Quote from Carla’s blog…

    The the signs and wonders/prophetic movement appears to be converging with the contemplative movement, and those are both converging with the ecumenical movement, which is converging with the interfaith/New Age thing…. It’s all coming together.

    I agree – one world religion here we come.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | May 6, 2008

  6. Thank you. I am just glad to see others speaking the truth.

    Your blog is amazing, don’t know why I only noticed it last week. Thanks for all your hard expose work!

    God bless you!

    (By the way, I fixed some things in that Slosh Fest post.)

    Comment by carla | May 7, 2008

  7. By the looks of your sight no one is an honest believer… except you.

    Comment by debra | May 8, 2008

  8. Hi Miriam
    Just to let you know this is a big thing in south wales at the moment, Antioch Church in Llanelli, have just had a conferance which has been extended for another two weeks. This is down right demonic, there was no preaching, no worship, just a load of shaking and sensational stuff going on which was clearly the ocult in place. There is an element of whichcraft come into carasmatic teaching, and the sonner we come back to good old pentecostal doctrines the better.
    This group, is awful, and the sad thing is, there has not been one soul saved, healed or delivered as yet.
    With this gruop i agree, the new mystics, are just that, unbelievable and biblical heretics.

    Rev David M Owen
    Pentecostal Holiness Church Continuing

    Comment by Rev David OWen | May 21, 2008

  9. “Crowder…”
    “Crowley…”

    Anybody remember the Ozzy Osborne song “Mister Crowley” about ol’ Creepy Alistair?

    I think there’s great potential for a filk/parody here.
    “MISTER CROWDER…”

    Comment by Ken | June 5, 2008

  10. On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 11:19 PM, pat holliday wrote:

    Hello Dear Ones;
    This one’s real Shocker. If I were you, I’d stay away from these demonic meetings and I’d certainly protect the children.You might get an “impartation” of something that’s hard to get rid of. Cover yourself with the blood of Jesus and pray before reading the article.
    Yes, I do encourage you to forward these articles. How will they know unless a preacher is sent?
    You’ll find new article here: http://www.scribd.com/doc/3482527/Todd-Bentley-John-Crowder-AFTERGLOW-Summer-Solstice-Witchcraft-wizards-
    Blessings and do be in prayer from me, family and team. We are all covered by the blood of Jesus and the Fire of the Holy Ghost.

    Todd Bentley & John crowder HIGH ON JESUS? Star gate openers and STARWALKERS TO THIRD HEAVENs~ Secrets of the ascended masters ~angels of destruction, TOWER TO HEAVEN, LADDER TO GOD, STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN ~ and cocaine jesus
    http://www.patholliday.com/ebooks.php
    AFTERGLOW getting high on Jesus
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkBLnmdJ2SY
    Summer Solstice Witchcraft wizards
    ~soul snatchers & soul scalpers Bentley and Chowder want disconnect you from the Jesus of the Bible and link you to the Awakened Beings they are calling angels who they say are from the divine realm existing in the Third Heaven. They want to take you through an occultist wormhole, the sorceries, long sought “Stargate of the gods.” Their witchcraft experiences want to teach you about the powerful new “electrical energies” bathing your spirits with the anointing of the Ascended Masters powers of the New Age.
    Ps 91
    Psalms 91

    91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
    2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
    3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
    4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
    5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
    6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
    7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
    8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
    9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
    10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
    11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
    12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
    13 Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
    14 Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
    15 He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
    16 With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.
    KJV

    Comment by pat holliday | June 19, 2008

  11. this is awsomw bw blwssed brother i love your work its blessing !

    Comment by lawi | July 2, 2008

  12. This is awesome. Thanks for introducing me to John Crowder. I have been sick and tired of “same-old same old” and if he can’t break me out of that mediocrity, nobody can.

    You guys are great! Thanks!

    Comment by Paul | December 12, 2008

  13. I agree. I think John Crowder is like a shock to the religious coffinry. us stiffs need a jolt. We need to wake up and snatch the burning out of the fires. Enough of the solemn assemblies. Enough of the endless sunday morning ritual. Enough of the tired old songs and rehearsed ‘worship’. WAKE US UP! (P.S. John Crowder is coming to New York soon…I’ve heard that miraculous weight loss occurs!!!!!!!)

    Comment by wakemeup | December 12, 2008

  14. You know, I think I could really get to like this guy. I’m ready to be done with “sit in the back row, listen to the same boring preacher talking about stuff i sure don’t understand.” If Rev. Crowder doesn’t wake me up, I don’t know what will.

    When is he coming to New York? I don’t need the weight loss. Just need the apathy-loss.

    Comment by Fred | December 12, 2008

  15. Fred, and wakemeup–you are fullfilling Pauls’ prophecy!

    “For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.” (2Tim4:3)

    When I saw John Crowder once imitate tying up his arm and searching for a vein, and shooting up his demonic Jesus counterfeit of genuine Holy Spirit Joy, I was sickened. I have watched the devastation of heroin in the life of someone dear to me. My Holy God is not at all like that evil drug.
    John Crowder is a fool,and if he doesn’t quit his addiction to experience, he is bound to OD, on a day when God’s patience is finally exhausted.

    Comment by Karen Butler | December 13, 2008

  16. Fred, Paul, etc*******We all need to wake up!!!!!!! Enough of the same-old,same-old. Also, we need to be cautious, and not blindly accept any new thing; any new preacher,etc. I am not totally sure about John Crowder, Benjamin Dunn,etc…but I am willing to go see them and see what I think. I’ve heard some good, Godly things about their ministries: evangelizing in India, casting out demons, helping people on the streets, etc. At least they are not boring pew-sitters. I want to find out for myself if this is legitimate and from God, or is it baloney! I’ve learned John Crowder will be up near Syracuse University in early January. I think you should go to his website for specifics. He is also ministering at an Assembly of God church. I truly believe we cannot limit the workings/methodry of the all-powerful Holy Spirit. Sometimes He has to offend us to get our attention.No matter what, we should all go for the best God has for all of us. He has exciting adventures and exploits for those who love and fear Him!

    Comment by wakemeup | December 13, 2008

  17. I have seen enough of Crowder, also in Holland. It is blasphemy and not scriptural at all. It goed back to gnosism.

    Comment by Ruitje | December 13, 2008

  18. I believe that we are in a new Dark Ages of sorts. I certainly disagree with the antics of John Crowder and the New Mystics but I have to say that their popularity is directly related to people being tired of seeing a lack of power in the typical Christian church. I live in America and a large majority of protestant churches here do not meet spiritual needs. They are lifeless religious clubs.

    True Christianity must be accompanied by power. The word of God must be conveyed in power. Christians must live a life of power to be taken seriously. The reason many flock to new ways of thinking is because what they have seen until now lacks one thing *****POWER****.

    Some say that all that we need is the Word of God to understand truth and I would agree however, it is the Word of God enlightened by the Holy Spirit that we need not just the word. Unenlightened bible reading is not enough.

    I see the argument on many sites that this particular doctrine or that is not according to the bible. But what many are actually saying is that it is not according to the bible as far as my enlightenment is.

    Many study the word just as the Pharisees had the Old Testament in their days and still read the Word as a dead book because they lack enlightenment by the Holy Spirit. They had Jesus in their hands and failed to recognize Him.

    We may be in a new Dark Ages because many of todays ministers create a hunger amongst their people because of a lack of Holy Spirit empowered ministry and their are plenty of creepy, flaky kooks who are waiting there to fill the needs of those same people with weird and unbiblical teachings.

    Why is it that those who are advocates of the Word seem so lacking in spiritual power (most seem to deny that Jesus does or even wants to do miracles) and why is it that those who are more enclined to trust in the Spirit (seemingly more than) the Word seem so given to kooky doctrine?

    I believe that just like taking two chemicals that are powerful in themselves and mixing them together to create an absolutely explosive substance, when the Word and Spirit mixed together balance will produce spiritual power that few have ever known.

    Out of balance on both sides of the fence has created these types of ministries.

    Comment by lawrence | December 13, 2008

  19. wakemeup,

    I don’t know if you clicked on the link endtimes provided above that discusses John Lacey, who was a hungry man deceived by his beloved manifestations, but here is a quote from Tozer, from another link on that post that resonates with your comments:http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/04/23/how-to-try-the-spirits/

    “Any religious movement that imitates the world in any of its manifestations [getting drunk??] is false to the cross of Christ and on the side of the devil and this regardless of how much purring its leaders may do about “accepting Christ”… Or, as Crowder perverts Piper, being “satisfied in Him.”

    Here is another link describing the history of this movement. John Lacey was not the only one led astray by his cravings for good feelings: http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/contagious-tangible-transferable-impartation-and-anointing/

    God does not need to offend your mind to increase your faith. That is one of the cliches this movement throws around to silence criticism. I said this once about Stacey Campbell, the Snake Lady who says that sort of stuff too,(i.e. human reasoning kills the word of faith) to manipulate you into thinking her hissing and head-shaking are as acceptable to God as Crowder’s drunken glory:

    “Human reasoning and wisdom will NEVER kill the word of faith, as God requires of us to worship Him with all our mind, and a careful and logical study of his word will only build our faith. These leaders require of you to stop asking questions, to forget your doubts, to follow blindly after your feelings and they are leading you into a Pit.”

    Don’t be led astray by your feelings, wakemeup. Think.

    Comment by Karen Butler | December 13, 2008

  20. Hi Karen,

    All I can tell you is that when I see John (and Stacey), they wake something up in me that wants to worship Jesus, that wants to obey the Word. When I hear (or read) about Christians judging other Christians, it makes me want to give up and quit following Christ.

    Now which of those would you want to be changed by?

    Comment by Fred | December 16, 2008

  21. Fred,

    Neither.
    I would have you changed by the Living Word of God breathed in all its beauty and perfection by the Holy Spirit of God, preserved by the blood of His martyrs for all time in a very precious book. I would urge you to look there for what you need. (Is. 2:22 “Of what account is man, who has but a breath in his nostrils?” ).

    Stacey Campbell judges other Christians. She prophesies war and slaughter against those who don’t follow her lead. In the comments posted on this thread I recount her words on October 14, 1994 where she is on record stirring up Joel’s Army:http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/12/17/shaking-my-head-in-disbelief-at-stacey-campbells-ecstatic-prophecy-part-2/

    In her “ecstatic prophecy” she demands that saints judge between the true and the false. But is such a call the province of the “annointed ones” alone, who may not be touched? How about an equal standard here? Otherwise, it is very hypocritical for you to say that I judge, but I am only obeying my Lord, who warned me to beware of false prophets. He said you may know them by their fruits (which are false prophecies). Stacey’s latest lying before the Lord on record is her famous display of hissing and headshaking on the platform before millions about Todd Bentley. Here’s a link calling her on the falseness of it and urging her to repent:

    http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/09/02/stacey-campbells-new-manifestation-face-saving-re-todd-bentley/

    Wake up! You are being deceived. You are the Lord’s if you love the truth. That has always been the mark of those who are His sheep, they know his voice, and will not follow a stranger.

    Comment by Karen Butler | December 19, 2008

  22. This is all part of the reason why I left the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement and the reason why they are so dangerous. There are a lot of people who think they love God by they are deceived and are in love with subjective experiences and mysticism. Their God is self at the end of the day. The guys seems to be trying to give Todd Bentley competition.

    Comment by Quote Quote No Name | January 7, 2009

  23. John Crowder is a joke. I heard of John Crowder a few years back, thought he probably was great, he went to Fresh Fire only to have Todd go on his sabbath during that period. Back then John was NAR.

    Now this guy carries a toy figurine of a Baby Jesus about with him and declares “I have been smoking baby Jesus”. Ben Dunn produces music that tries to sound psychedelic instead it lacks any creativity with John Crowder speaking over it. Recently Ben Dunn was spreading the emotional deception ona high scale at Bill Johnson’s internship to all the students.

    There buddies in Wales go out to shopping malls in weelchairs claiming there is glory on the chair. Please forgive me but these people are simple minded.

    Comment by Avshalom | January 7, 2009

  24. Avshalom

    Crowder still is NAR.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | January 7, 2009

  25. Exactly and NAR is becoming more and more decieved. There was Holy Laughter now there is toking baby jesus, huffing your bibles and because Christ paid the price man can live in a state of Bliss.

    Comment by Avshalom | January 7, 2009

  26. Fred,

    Sit on the front row, not the back. If you don’t understand I’m sure there are more in your age group at the church that doesn’t understand either. Get a Bible Study group together. With a pastor approved teacher.

    Ask questions in a group setting looking up answers. Have group discussions. It is very important to get a Good Teacher rooted and grounded in the Word Of God in this group.

    Take what you’ve learned into the highways & Hedges. Then I promise you will no longer be bored. You will encounter the demonized. Learn what to do how to enteract with them. How to set them free in this group Bible Study. Spread the Gospel Of Jesus Christ to our lot and dying world. End of bordom!

    You are in a perfect place to be decieved. You are looking for a exciting gospel. A party in Jesus. A getting high on the gospel. Signs, wonders, jumping around, acting a fool, rolling around on the floor, jurking, shaking, hissing, drunk on the glory. Be very careful you may get it. It could take years to get set free!

    Brother, this is NOT The Holy Spirit Of The Bible. This is NOT The Jesus Of The Bible. Who has bewitched you?

    Read the Gospel’s In the Bible. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John. Pay close attention to Jesus’s 3 & 1/2 years of ministry on earth. He goes to a wedding party and turns water into wine. No where does he shake, hiss, roll on the floor in the Holy Spirit, or act a total fool.

    He spends a lot of time teaching others His Way. Kingdom Ways, so they can go into the highway & hedges. He spends a lots of time withdrawn from the crowd in prayer to His Father.

    Where in the Gospel’s does Jesus ever walk around drunk on glory?

    If that is what you’re really looking for you need to seek the bars and the world. It is not anywhere in the True Church Of The Living God.

    Now in the false church you will find it. Do you really want a fake Jesus just so you can act like a drunken/drug crazed fool without breaking any of man laws and going to jail? What about this path will lead you to hell? Still want to follow them?

    Sherry

    Comment by Sherry | January 16, 2009

  27. I love this guy. He is hitting the mark of the Lords Holiness.

    Comment by RaFamous | March 19, 2009

  28. This so called display of worship is absolutely appalling. Just how bad is this deception when some people still believe it is from the Holy Spirit, they are being taken hook, line and sinker. MM above quoted Rev 17:6 , read also Rev 11. There are two churches in view here,the inner court being the true church and the outer court the counterfeit church v:2 “because it has been given to the gentiles, they will trample on the holy city for 42 months”Folks this prophecy is not way in the future,what John saw we are witnesing here and now.This passage is parralled in Daniels seventy weeks prophecy in chapter 9: 27 “and on a wing of the temple {outer court} he will set up an abomination that causes desolation”[ no Holy Spirit]These people are trampling all over Gods word to their own peril. Make every effort to ensure you are part of the inner court.

    Comment by ray | April 26, 2009

  29. All of you who think you need something different then the normal. Try this Chase God , stop living a Luke Warm life. Seek God and ask him to Baptize you with the true holy spirit not the Devils imitation Spirit. You dont get the holy spirit by shooting it up. You get it by praying and asking him to baptize you. Jesus didnt come to get you “High” and make you feel all good. Yes the holy spirit is awesome but its not to make you feel drunk or high. It is supposed to help you through trials and to give you annointing to heal the sick. If you buy into this lie this demonice spirit sweeping through the church then do not say you have not been warned.

    The people think this is radical and different, its demonic

    Being on Fire for God in a Holy and trult passionate way would be radical now a days

    Try praying and reading through the word before you jump on a bandwagon of false prophets.

    Just because its new and cool doesnt make it right

    Comment by A_Voice | July 6, 2009


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