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The Gospel of Love without the Cross or Jesus

There is a Bible on a pedestal in Gretta Vosper’s West Hill United Church in Toronto. She would prefer it did not have a special place, she said, because it is just a book among other books. In a similar way, the cross that is high above the altar has no special meaning, but there are a few older congregants for whom the Bible and the cross are still nice symbols so there they remain.

Though an ordained minister, she does not like the title of reverend. It is one of those symbols that hold the church back from breaking into the future — to a time “when the label Christian won’t even exist” and the Church will be freed of the burdens of the past. To balance out those symbols of the past inside West Hill, there is a giant, non-religious rainbow tapestry just behind the altar and multi-coloured streamers hang from the ceiling.

“The central story of Christianity will fade away,” she explained. “The story about Jesus as the symbol of everything that Christianity is will fade away.”

The head of the United Church of Canada, David Giuliano, who went to divinity school with Ms. Vosper 20 years ago, said if he felt the way that she does, he would not be a minister. But it is not his job to condemn, he said, and the church is structured in such a way that complaints have to come from the congregation before any action can be taken. And so far there have been no complaints. He also sees the United Church, considered the most liberal of the mainline Protestant churches, as broad enough to encompass a wide range of theologies.

Even Rev. Giuliano agrees that the name Christian — which carries the baggage of colonialism and other ills — should probably be phased out. Instead, he would replace “Christian” with “Follower of the Way” or “Follower of Jesus.”

But it is an absolute certainty that Ms. Vosper would not go for “Follower of Jesus.”

Ms. Vosper does not believe in the Virgin Birth, the Resurrection, the miracles and the sacrament of baptism. Nor does she believe in the creeds, the presence of Christ in communion or that Jesus was the Son of God.

In With or Without God,  her book that was formally launched this week, she writes that Jesus was a “Middle Eastern peasant with a few charismatic gifts and a great posthumous marketing team.”

The Bible is used in her services, but it gets rewritten to be more contemporary and speak to more people. Even the Lord’s Prayer — also known as the Our Father — does not make the cut because it creates an image of a God who intervenes in human existence. And then there is the “Father” part that is not inclusive language and carries with it the notion of an overbearing tyrant who condemns people to hell.

So why exactly does she still call herself a Christian, let alone a minister?

“I could leave the Church because I don’t hold those orthodox understandings,” she said. “[But] I think that in a generation or so we might stop using the term Christian, and I hope, perhaps we will stop using labels for every religious tradition. There is nothing wrong with a faith tradition evolving.

“And I believe that’s what we’re doing. It’s been evolving for a long time but we’re afraid to acknowledge that so this is merely the next iteration of what Christianity needs to be.”

She envisions a time when there is no religious divisions and everyone shares in their common values and their only differences are cultural. Still, she said there is no conflict with this and being in the church.

“The church is extremely important because it can be a transformative element in individuals’ lives and communities,” she said. “And that was the root of what the Christian Church was about: transforming the way people see themselves in relation to the communities around them and in relation to each other and about living that in community. Christianity took over that story and manipulated it into a very different story.”

Ms. Vosper believes most liberal ministers do not really believe in orthodoxy and see things like the Resurrection or the miracles as metaphors, not real events. She is also chair of a group called the Canadian Centre For Progressive Christianity, which also espouses a vague form of religious belief, in which they offer a challenge to the church to do a “complete overhaul of the beliefs it has been carrying about for the last several hundred years.

“It’s not that we’re trying to do something new. It’s that we’re trying to catch up on a thousand years of backlogged progress files that have yet to be inputted into the 21st century.”

In With or Without God,  Ms. Vosper writes: “[It is time to live] in the current paradigm, being progressive enough to let go of the beliefs and traditions to which we’ve had to tip our hats and curtsy in the past but which can no longer prevail in our contemporary world.”

Ms. Vosper did not change her views over time but said she felt the same way when she took her divinity degree at Queen’s University in 1990. She said when the creed was mentioned, which contains those declarations of faith that acknowledge basic Christian tenants, it was uncomfortable. “I fled when I had to read the creed,” she said.

For all of this, she still feels rooted in the church. She still loves the stories, metaphors though they may be. And she still measures her life against the meaning of those metaphors. The focus of her “spiritual” life is love. And since love is the common bond between all people, it is really the only thing worth believing in.

“Here in the context of seeking out harmony with all things, the purest understanding of those values that enhance and sanctify life becomes the foremost spiritual practice,” she writes.

“We call it love, radically inclusive love. It is here, in the caring, challenging, prophetic role with which it is so familiar that the church can really shine.”

Article from thw National Post, Canada, May 3th 2008 (bold emphasises mine)

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Preparing For The Time Of Antichrist

Preparing For The Time Of Antichrist from http://www.velocity.net/~edju/Anti.htm

Preface

This Disaster Plan will hopefully encourage a much needed discussion about the possible soon coming of antichrist. The plan is the collective effort of a small group of believers who feel their anonymity will lead to a more focused consideration of the subject. Permission is granted to faithfully reproduce or publish the plan in its entirety or in part.

Disaster Plan for Antichrist

I. Definition: Antichrist can mean either “against Christ,” or “instead of Christ,” or perhaps combining the two, “one who, assuming the guise of Christ, opposes Christ” (Vine’s Dictionary, 1985, page 30).

II. Premise: It is always best to prepare for the worst.

III. Purpose: To prepare believers to expect, recognize, resist, and endure the rise and reign of antichrist.

IV. Introduction:

 

  • Premise: Most believers expect to see the soon coming of the true Christ and are generally unprepared for the possible soon coming of antichrist instead. 
  • Fact: There is nothing in the Bible that promises today’s believers that they will not be on earth for the rise and reign of antichrist. 
  • Fact: Those who teach that there is no way today’s believers will be on earth for the rise and reign of antichrist are false teachers. 
  • Assertion: Those who do not teach today’s believers that they could be on earth for the rise and reign of antichrist are not responsible teachers. 
  • Assertion: Because there is an abundance of Scripture suggesting that today’s believers could be on earth for the rise and reign of antichrist, it behooves believers to be prepared for that possibility. 
  • Conclusion: Believers prepared for antichrist today will be prepared for antichrist tomorrow. 
  • General Statement: Not anticipating and preparing for potential problems can result in disaster. People on the Titanic lost their lives not because their ship hit an iceberg, but because there were not enough lifeboats. Flight attendants today prepare passengers not only for a pleasant trip, but also for possible disaster. Noah was prepared for the flood, Joseph for famine, Jesus for the cross. They were all warned by God of coming circumstances, and they prepared accordingly. When the test came they were ready.Antichrist, by the Bible’s definition, is a disaster waiting to happen. Yet, even with all the Bible’s warnings, believers today are largely unprepared for his promised coming. Fortunately though, God has provided in Scripture everything we need to know about this coming disaster. When we take the time to read and heed what God is telling us, we come to understand that He has, in effect, given us a perfect disaster plan for antichrist.

IV. The Disaster Plan

 

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    • Premise: There is no good reason for today’s believers not to be ready for antichrist’s appearance at any time. 
    • Fact: Scripture does not promise believers that antichrist has already come and gone. 
    • Fact: Scripture does not promise believers that they will be raptured prior to antichrist’s coming. 
    • Fact: Scripture does not promise believers that antichrist is not already in the world today and ready to appear at any moment. 
    • Assertion: It only serves the purpose of antichrist for today’s believers not to be expecting him. 
    • Conclusion: It is judicious and wise for today’s believers to be prepared for antichrist’s coming at any time. 
    • Premise: The spirit of antichrist is in the world and is preparing the world to accept antichrist’s coming as the true Christ’s coming. 
    • Fact: Antichrist does not want believers to know how to discern the difference between the genuine Christ and the counterfeit christ. 
    • Assertion: Today’s believers must be prepared to discern the difference between the true Christ and the counterfeit christ. 
    • Assertion: The necessary circumstances and conditions concerning the true Christ’s coming are clearly defined in the Bible. 
    • Assertion: Today’s believers must know what the Bible says about the true Christ and the true Christ’s coming so they can discern the counterfeit coming of antichrist. 
    • Conclusion: If today’s believers know the facts concerning the true Christ and the true Christ’s coming, then they will be prepared to recognize antichrist when he appears. 
    • The True Coming of Christ: How We Know 
      1. The True Christ Will Return in the Clouds, in the Heavens.Acts 1:11….this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

         

        • Genuine: Just as Jesus departed into the clouds, into the heavens, he will return in the clouds, in the heavens. 
        • Counterfeit: Antichrist and his representatives may manipulate circumstances to approximate Acts 1:11 and Mark 13:26, e.g., antichrist may come from the clouds, from the heavens, as he arrives in an airplane/aircraft. 
        • Emphasis: The true Christ literally comes in the clouds, in the heavens. [ED: bodily and visibly] 
        • Warning: There are other requirements that help define the true Christ’s coming.

         

      2. The True Christ Will Return in the Clouds, in the Heavens, with Flames of Fire.2 Thessalonians l:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels: In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ…Revelation 13: 13,14 And he [the false prophet] doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had the power to do in the sight of the beast…

         

        • Genuine: The true Christ returns in the clouds, in the heavens, with flames of fire. 
        • Counterfeit: In Revelation, Jesus warns of antichrist’s spectacularly deceptive false prophet who performs “great wonders” in the name of God. We are told that in the future this false prophet will call down fire from heaven much as Elijah did in 1 Kings 18:37-39. In the Old Testament account this fire from heaven was a sign that Elijah’s God was the true God. Jesus warns that the false prophet’s fire from heaven is deceptive and not from God. 
        • Emphasis: Jesus warns us to beware of this false prophet who will call down fire from heaven to impress and deceive the world. 
        • Warning: The Bible warns us not to follow “prophets” or “dreamers” whose prophecies, predictions, signs or wonders come true, if at the same time, they urge people to follow after another god:”If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder: And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul” (Deuteronomy 13:1-3). 
        • Note: Pharaoh’s magicians performed signs and wonders that sometimes approximated those of Moses. So it will be, and even more so, with antichrist and his false prophets, as they try to approximate and counterfeit the signs and wonders of the true Christ’s coming. 
      3. Every Eye Shall See the True Christ as He Returns in the Clouds, in the Heavens, with Flames of Fire.Revelation l:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him…Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

         

        • Genuine: Every eye will see the true Christ as he arrives in the clouds, in the heavens, with flames of fire. 
        • Counterfeit: Antichrist and his representatives may manipulate circumstances to approximate Revelation 1:7, e.g., everyone may see him on television as he arrives in an airplane/aircraft from the heavens on a cloudy day, perhaps in conjunction with the false prophet’s calling down fire from heaven. 
        • Emphasis: Every eye sees the true Christ up in the clouds, up in the heavens, with flames of fire as he lights up the sky from east to west. 
        • Warning: The true Christ’s return is an absolutely spectacular event that takes place in the heavens. 
      4. When Believers See the True Christ as He Returns in the Clouds, in the Heavens, With Flames of Fire, They Will be like Him.1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.1 Corinthians 15:51,52 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

         

        • Genuine: When believers see the true Christ they will be mysteriously transformed into his likeness [ED: physically, bodily]. 
        • Counterfeit: Antichrist and his representatives may try to imitate 1 John 3:2 and 1 Corinthians 15:51,52. Those who do not recognize and resist antichrist when he comes may find themselves suddenly transformed and empowered by his presence. The experiencing of new powers and supernatural abilities may be so intoxicating that it will deceive people into believing that antichrist is the true Christ. 
        • Emphasis: The true transformation (believers being changed into Christ’s likeness) happens only when the true Christ returns. 
        • Warning: Before Jesus continues his descent from the clouds after everyone sees him, he must first meet with all believers in the air.

         

      5. After Believers See the True Christ Coming in the Clouds, in the Heavens, with Flames of Fire, They Will be like Him, and They Will be Caught up to Meet Him in the Air,1 Thessalonians 4: 15-18 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 
        • Genuine: After everyone sees Jesus returning in the clouds, believers will literally be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. 
        • Counterfeit: Antichrist and his representatives may try to imitate this literal meeting of Christ and his believers in the air, e.g., antichrist may claim that through the medium of television he gathers everyone together to see him and to meet him “on the air”; e.g., he may claim that because his image is being transmitted via satellite, that he is technically “in” the clouds, “in” the heavens, and meeting everyone “in” the air. 
        • Emphasis: Believers must meet with the true Christ up in the clouds, in the heavens, in the air. It is a literal and personal encounter in the sky. It is not symbolic. It is not electronic. It is not a vision. It does not take place in a dream. It does not happen on television or on the internet. 
        • Warning: If believers see a christ figure standing on earth, and they have not already met with him in the clouds, in the heavens, in the air, then this christ figure is not the true Christ.”Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo here is Christ, or there; believe it not.” (Matthew 24:23).”Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth, behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.” (Matthew 24:26)

           

      6. The Name of the One and Only Christ is Jesus.Philippians 2:9-11 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.Acts 10:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

        1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

         

        • Genuine: Jesus is the one true Christ. 
        • Counterfeit: Antichrist and his representatives may seek to redefine the office of Christ to exclude Jesus as the one and only office holder, e.g., Jesus may be described as “a” christ; e.g., Buddha may be described as “a” christ, Mohammed “a” christ; e.g., each member of humanity may be described as “a” christ, and as such, a part of a counterfeit “body of christ”, of which antichrist, as Christ/God will be the head. 
        • Emphasis: The Bible underlines the exclusivity of the name and person of Jesus as the one and only Christ. 
        • Warning: In their attempt to reinvent and transform the person of Jesus into “another Jesus” (2 Corinthians 11:4), antichrist and his representatives will contradict the Bible’s description of Jesus.

         

      7. The True Christ, Jesus Christ, Assumes a New Name For his Millennial Reign.
        He Writes This New Name Upon his Followers at the Beginning of his Reign.Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and 1 will write upon him my new name. 

        • Genuine: The true Christ assumes a new name after his true coming and after all the events in Revelation have taken place. He writes this new name upon his faithful followers to reward them for their proven loyalty. 
        • Counterfeit: Antichrist and his representatives may seek to manipulate circumstances to make it appear that antichrist’s name is the new name of Christ as described in Revelation 3: 12, e.g., counterfeiting the return of the true Christ, antichrist could use Revelation 3:12 to justify his eliminating the name of Jesus as he initiates the “new age” of his “millennial reign” under his assumed “new name”, e.g., antichrist, by counterfeiting the true coming and manipulating Scripture to seemingly describe himself, could cleverly reinvent himself as Christ under his assumed new name. In the twinkling of an eye the world could be suddenly following a new age christ who comes in his own name. Jesus warned that something like this would happen. “I am come in my Father’s name, and ye received me not: if another shall come in his own name him ye will receive.” (John 5:43), e.g., perhaps citing Revelation 3:12, antichrist will seek to write his “new name” upon all humanity. The Bible warns that the number of his name is 666. “And he [agent of antichrist] causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred three score and six.” (Revelation 13:16,17) 
        • Emphasis: The new name that the true Christ assumes for his millennial reign does not take anything away from his lordship as Jesus throughout the previous age. And his new name does not change his person or character in any way. Most likely Jesus’ new name simply adds to the definition of who he already is. It may reflect his new relationship of living and dwelling with his people. 
        • Warning: Jesus is born Jesus; he is Lord and Savior Jesus; he dies as Jesus; he is resurrected as Jesus; and the Bible makes it clear that he returns as Jesus.” Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ…” (2 Thessalonians 2:1)”This same Jesus, which is taken from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven…” (Acts 1:11)

          “…until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords…”(l Timothy 6:14-15)

         

      8. When the True Christ Comes, Those Who Have Opposed Him Will be Judged.2 Thessalonians 1:7,8 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels: In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ…2 Timothv 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom…

         

        • Genuine: When the true Christ comes he will judge unbelievers, dispensing vengeance to those who oppose him. 
        • Counterfeit: When antichrist comes he will judge unbelievers, dispensing vengeance to all who oppose him, e.g., believers in the true Christ who refuse to follow antichrist and take his mark will likely be labeled as antichrist to the rest of the world. 
        • Emphasis: Christ comes in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who disobey his gospel. 
        • Warning: True believers should not be surprised at the fiery trials that will come with antichrist as he counterfeits the true Christ’s judgement by seeking vengeance on all those who oppose him. 
      9. Revelation is a Prophecy Given to Us by the True Christ. It Can Not be Changed. It Will Come True.Revelation l:l The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John…Revelation 22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

        Revelation 22:18,19–For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

         

        • Genuine: Jesus Christ revealed to the apostle John events that must take place in the future. The events described cannot be stopped, cut short, or changed in any way. Revelation is not a possibility or a probability. It is a sure prophecy. 
        • Counterfeit: Antichrist and his representatives seek to change or even do away with the Book of Revelation, e.g., antichrist may reward the world’s faith in him by declaring Revelation null and void. By following him, and taking his mark, the world would believe they were receiving apparent peace and safety instead of the horrible events of Revelation. 
        • Emphasis: All the events in Revelation will happen. 
        • Warning: Beware of those who seek to reinterpret, change, or downplay Revelation in any way. God promises severe consequences to those who try to alter the words and meaning of this prophecy. 
      10. The True Christ and the True Christ’s Coming Will Always Agree with Scripture.2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness…Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

        Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

         

        • Genuine: The true Christ not only honors and abides by Scripture, he also fulfills it. 
        • Counterfeit: Antichrist and his representatives do not honor and abide by Scripture. Instead, they selectively distort, redefine, and contradict Scripture for their own purposes. Antichrist though, no matter how clever, will never meet the Bible’s literal requirements for the true coming of Christ. 
        • Emphasis: The true Christ fulfills Scripture as it is written. 
        • Warning: Beware of those who come in the name of God, Christ, Holy Spirit, etc., to undermine rather than underline the truth of literal Scripture. 
    • Premise: The antichrist spirit is in the world.1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 
    • Assertion: The antichrist spirit is on the move.1 Peter 5:8,9 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. 
    • Assertion: Antichrist and his representatives come in the name of light and love and Christ.2 Corinthians 11:13, 14 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 
    • Assertion: Antichrist and his representatives come with signs, wonders and miracles that pretend to be from God.2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him [antichrist], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders… 
    • Assertion: The antichrist spirit with it’s many temptations must be resisted.James 4:7–Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 
    • Exhortation: Resist antichrist and his temptations by being spiritually alert.Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak. 
    • Exhortation: Resist antichrist and his temptations by not being ignorant of his schemes and devices.1 Corinthians 2:ll Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices. 
    • Exhortation: Resist antichrist and his temptations by exposing his schemes and devices.Ephesians 5:ll And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 
    • Exhortation: Resist antichrist and his temptations by testing the spirits.1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 
    • Exhortation: Resist antichrist and his temptations by standing fast on the truth of God’s word.1 Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever… 
    • Exhortation: Resist antichrist and his temptations by contending for the faith.Jude 1:3 …ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 
    • Exhortation: Resist antichrist and his temptations by standing fast in the strength of the Lord.Ephesians 6: 10,ll Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.l Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 
    • Exhortation: Resist antichrist and his temptations by holding fast to the truth.Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 
    • Premise: Countless numbers of people will be deceived into believing antichrist is Christ.Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 
    • Assertion: Those who mistake antichrist for the true Christ will hate those who hold to the name of Jesus.Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 
    • Assertion: Believers in the true Christ need to be prepared for persecution, punishment, and death at the hands of antichrist and his followers.2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held…

       

    • Exhortation: Believers should not be surprised they are persecuted.1 Peter 4:12,13 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ’s sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy. 
    • Exhortation: Believers should not be afraid or troubled when they are persecuted.1 Peter 3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled…Philippians 1:28–And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.

       

    • Exhortation: Believers should consider themselves blessed when they are persecuted.Matthew 5:ll Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.James 5:ll Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

       

    • Exhortation: Experiencing tribulation is part of the faith.Acts 14:22 …and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. 
    • Exhortation: Tribulation works patience.Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience… 
    • Assertion: Enduring persecution and tribulation, believers are to wait patiently for the return of the true Christ.2 Thessalonians 3:5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.Luke 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

      Revelation 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

       

    • Assertion: God gives strength to believers through his promises. (2 Peter 1:4)Hebrews 13:5 …for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that Love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

      2 Corinthians 12:9 …My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.

      Matthew 28:20 … and, to, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

       

  • A. Expecting Antichrist: Believers Must Be Ready.2 Thessalonians 2:1-5 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

     

    B. Recognizing Antichrist: Know The Genuine Christ.Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

    2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

     

    C. Resisting Antichrist: Standing Fast 

    D. Enduring Antichrist: Persevering. 

V. Conclusion: When asked by his disciples what would be the sign of his coming and of the end of the world, Jesus answered, “Take heed that no man deceive you” (Matthew 24:4). Having been warned repeatedly by the Lord about deception, and in particular antichrist, it is important that believers today not be deceived into thinking that they cannot be deceived. This disaster plan is a small attempt to better prepare believers for the possible soon coming of antichrist. Not to prepare for that possibility seems naive and dangerous. There are too many lives at stake for everyone to just “hope for the best.” Thus it has been the purpose of this disaster plan to help people “prepare for the worst.”The Bible tells us that we are in a race, and that we are to run so as to win the prize (1 Corinthians 9:24). We are told that the race goes not to the swift (Ecclesiastes 9:11), but to those who run with patience (Hebrews 12:l) and are able to endure (Matthew 24:13).

In preparing for a race of unknown distance and duration, the serious runner will prepare for the most extreme possibility. The committed runner will not train for less than a marathon if he knows he may have to run a marathon to win the prize.

Believers today must be ready not only to recognize antichrist, but also to resist his powerful temptations, and ultimately to endure his wrath. We must be prepared for the worst…to go the distance…to run the race set before us…to win the prize.

“Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.” (1 thessalonians 5:6)

May 7, 2008 Posted by endtimespropheticwords | Deception, antichrist, signs and wonders | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 6 Comments

Lou Engle calls for civil war in church, more militancy as Joel’s Army rises

On March 8th 2008, at Mike Bickle of IHOP’s ‘Passion For Jesus Conference’,  as broadcast on GOD TV, I watched Lou Engle of ‘The Call’ fame speak. As he spoke, Lou Engle constantly rocked back and forth, as apparently he almost always does now when preaching, under what he  would claim to be the anointing of the Holy Spirit. His spiritual manifestations are supposed to be a sign that he speaks under the unction of the Holy Spirit and when the jerks, grunts, twiches and miscellaneous experiences and feelings get stronger, they supposedly bear witness to him and the audience that what he says is true and prophetic and the ‘glory’ and ‘anointing’ of the Lord is there testifying to it. Thus manifestations really do   lead many in the church of today.

However, it was clearly not  the Holy Spirit that moved Engle and who he prophesied by - because of what Engle said - which was unbiblical heresy, and certainly not spoken under the power and unction of the Holy Spirit, however much he manifested, as the Holy Spirit can only testify to truth.

I was quite surprised with how blatant these Kansas City Prophets and their associated mouthpieces are now getting. For several years they have tried to hide what they truly believe by double speak or outright lies - especially Mike Bickle- and now, at this conference, it seemed it was time to come right out with it and declare what they really think. Or perhaps they forgot they were live on TV, I don’t know. Either which way, nobody murmured at the conference - even at the horrendous bits - and GOD TV kept broadcasting it.

In the session I watched, Lou Engle spoke on the end times and the end times generation. Fair enough you may say, because it is   the end times. Right, I agree on this point, I do think these really  are the Last Days and many alive now are part of the end times generation. But from here Lou Engle and I and every other Bible-loving Christian must part company, as Engle parts company with scripture and starts preaching and prophesying Latter Day Rain heresies - which of course the Kansas City Prophets are fully steeped in.

For all those that don’t yet know it, Todd Bentley is inextricably part of this movement with personal mentoring by prophet Bob Jones, currently the most exalted of the Kansas City Prophets - and wasn’t even K C prophet Paul Cain wheeled out the other night at a Lakeland rally to add his seal of approval? Paul Cain declared Todd Bentley to be Elijah (not another  Elijah - I thought William Branham and Bob Jones and even Paul Cain were supposed to be Elijah? ‘I’m Spartacus, no, I’m Spartacus, no, I’m Spartacus! ),   and Cain said that Todd Bentley’s revival was the start of the fulfilment of his own long-touted Joel’s Army prophecies of stadiums filled etc (if only that were all  that there was to these prophecies though! - more on that later). Todd Bentley’s healing ‘revival’ in Florida is a manufactured Latter Rain revival which is more about extolling and elevating the apostolic-prophetic movement under the headship of their ‘pope’ C Peter Wagner, and its second in command Chuck Pierce, than is it about anything else - and extending their dominion - whether it is done in Jesus’ name or not.

The Latter Rain doctrines and the Bible’s differ on many key points. People can google the finer details on Latter Rain, I do not want to unnecessarily repeat other articles, but as some people, I know, will not research, or do not have the time to research (although I suggest they find the time as this is critical), very briefly, the main points are these - (there is another brief overview here http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/a-new-breed/)

The church has alway traditionally believed in the literal return of Jesus Christ, coming in the clouds where every eye will see Him, after the world has been in great travail with many earthquakes and natural disasters and famine (which are but the birthpangs for the end, says Jesus), and after the great tribulation (persecution) period after the antichrist has been revealed and persecutes and kills the saints, and after many false christs and workers of signs and wonders have been revealed, and worldwide apostasy and sin has spread to epidemic proportions and there is little love on the earth. The Bible teaches that at the end, Christ returns and the church gets gathered and caught up to Him in the air in ‘the rapture’. Nobody can miss Christ’s return as it will be that  obvious - as lightning flashes from the east - promises Jesus, unmistakeable he emphasis. Do not be deceived otherwise, he emphasises.

However, extreme Latter Rain heretics (and there are various spins on it) believe and falsely prophecy that Jesus Christ appears within the body of believers - that is within them.  And so they literally become Jesus, a corporate Christ, the Manchild. Rather than the body being in  Him, the body become  Him - the Manifested Sons of God doctrine - which of course is extremely blasphemous. This is more than becoming like   Jesus in His character or works. This is more than having His Holy Spirit dwelling within them. It is them, fallen human beings, literally becoming divine and perfect and gods. The ‘glory’ they speak of coming to the Bride is this - the perfection of believers who become literally as gods. All under the authority of the new apostles of course, who somehow are more godlike than the other god-men and must be submitted to without question.

“There is a ministry … the ministry of perfection - the Melchizedek Priesthood . . . your children will be moving into the ministries of Perfection . . . coming into that Divine Nature of Jesus Christ . . . they themselves will be that generation that’s raised up to put death itself underneath their feet . . . because the Lord Jesus is worthy to be lifted up by a church that has reached the full maturity of the GOD-MAN!” (Bob Jones)

“The glory is shared, so the CLOUD which represents that glory IS SHARED. Each elect son becomes a manifestation of the glory - of the CLOUD - of the shekinah! Each son becomes the expression and revelation of the Person of Deity. There is still only one Person of God, but He shall eternally indwell a many-membered body of like ones unto Himself, the extension and projection of His own Being. — He says, “I will dwell IN THEM, and walk IN THEM… and ye shall be My sons and daughters..” (II Cor. 6:16-18). What, then, are those clouds with which, and in which, the Christ comes again? Why, bless your heart, WE ARE!”  (Preston Eby)

“His Son was a ALPHA SON, your children are the OMEGA sons and daughters.” (Bob Jones) -

How blasphemous, Christ is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end!

“In the manifestation of the Sons of God…. the overcomers will become perfected and step into immortality in order to establish the Kingdom of God on earth.” (George Warnock)

These God-men, they prophesy will have extraordinary powers. You hear all the new prophets talking about it and referring to it, though you many not have twigged this is what they meant, what it refers to or where it comes from - eg the walking through walls and levitating. They will be the Joel’s Army Paul Cain prophesies. The apostles, of course, are way at the top of the pecking order - and will demand unquestioning obedience as generals of the army as they thump their iron rod across the globe.

“Not only will they not have diseases, they will also not die. They will have the kind of imperishable bodies that are talked about in the 15th chapter of Corinthians … this army is invincible. If you have intimacy with God, they can’t kill you.” (Paul Cain)

There is nothing in the Bible that promises believers immortaility this side of death. Death will be put under Christ’s feet but right at the very end of the ages, when there will be a new heaven and a new earth too. The only ones who will not see death are those still alive at the time of the rapture, who will somehow be transformed ‘in the twinking of an eye’ and become clothed with the imperishable. Todd Bentley has apparently mentioned recently at Lakeland there is no need for believers to age and die this side of death. There is is nothing in the Bible that promises believers immortality and nothing that promises invincibility either, however much faith the believer may have, however intimate they are with God. It is nonsense that ‘If you have intimacy with God, they can’t kill you’   for the prophet Daniel, the apostle John and Paul, and Jesus, says repeatedly that the saints will be killed for their faith, especially during the Great Tribulation. The saints did not love their lives more than they loved God and sacrificed them at the altar. (Another false teaching (spread by ‘prophet’ Dimitri Duduman) is that if you are holy enough you’ll likewise avoid persecution.) Indeed, the Bible says that the antichrist will be given power to make war against the saints and to overcome them … and the great dragon, Satan, will be unleashed and allowed to in a new terrible and savage way to make war on the true church, and to win (from an earthly perspective). Far from the true remnant church being invincible triumphant overcomers in the Last Days, many will be beheaded, put to the sword, or otherwise be killed. They do overcome spiritually   by their word and their testimony - but they are still mortal martyrs that still die a physical death. The only ones that will be invincible and untouchable in the Last Days will be the antichrist’s   forces - not God’s. Paul Cain yet again betray the true spiritual nature and source of his movement by speaking as he has.

The Latter Rain new apostolic perfect invincible church, they say, shall have dominion over the earth and rule the nations with a rod of iron through the new apostles - hence the dominionists like C Peter Wagner. The new apostles do not just want to rule the church, they want to rule the world.  And they have already set many things in place in the world of finance, media and government to this end - and set things up so they have information on many denomination’s church members by their ‘harmless’ collection of data for statistical purposes. So they know where the church members live to come and get you if you do not submit - to them and not God, that is.

“As the rod of His strength goes out of Zion, He’ll change legislation. He’ll chase the devil off the face of God’s earth, and God’s people together, doing the will of God, will bring about God’s purposes and God’s reign. “ (Ern Baxter)

The new end time apostles rule the Church through independent churches, unaffiliated with the ‘corrupt denominations’ as per William Branham’s teaching that all denominations are corrupt. The denominational churches they declare will eventually all disband to join in with this new church/new movement, under the new apostle’s leadership. Ever wondered where the ecumenical movement is going? The antichrist is Caesar, the leader of the revived ’Rome’.  This new apostolic church, of course, with the false prophet mouthpiece and its signs and wonders is joined at the hip with Rome (beast one and beast two) - (ever wondered why so many of the new prophets are in the Roman Catholic illuminati Knights of Malta?), becomes the one world religion as so many have been apparently converted to the Latter Rain ’Christ’ and the new apostle’s religion in the revival - most won by signs and wonders they do not test done under the power of the antichrist, the others won over or threatened by persuasive force. It is essential to them for the church to be unified as one, under their apostles, or they think their corporate Christ cannot be fully incarnated (manifested) in the Church and give his power to conquer the whole world. So there will be more than pressure applied on those individuals and churches who will not join in with the apostles - but more on that later.

They claim there will be a worldwide revival with amazing healings, signs and wonders and miracles by elite overcomers - winning an endtime harvest of billions of souls, where the majority of the world, they say will be won to Christ and the kingdom would be established or ready to be received by Christ. It does not seem to matter whether converts or won or forced.

“It will be said of the apostles soon to be anointed that they have turned an upside down world right side up. Nations will tremble at the mention of their name.” (Rick Joyner, said in 1988, not that long before the new apostles under C Peter Wagner were ‘anointed’)

The army - Joel’s Army - won’t just love people into the kingdom - they will be militant, thinking themselves the enforcers of God’s will on earth, ruling with their rod of iron. Spiritual warfare becomes literal, the church having become accustomed and softened to the militaristic and dominionist talk through spiritual warfare and worship songs. They will say that as all those that oppose them are opposing God (as they as perfect god-men are God), and are permanently lost because of then, then killing them is no big deal anyway, or perhaps it will be viewed as God executing his ‘final’ judgment on unbelievers, as they are God remember. I am not making this up - this comes from their own   writings.

“They won’t be able to kill this army.” (Jack Deere)

“Those in this army will have the kind of anointing … this kind of power … anyone who wants to harm them must die.”  (John Wimber) - yeah, I was shocked when I read old pussy-cat/teddy bear Wimber said this.

As speaking against the new apostles is seen as harming - ‘touch not my anointed, nor do my prophets any harm’   as so frequently misquoted to keep dissenters quiet and in their place - all that oppose this Antichrist force even by speaking out ’must die’ by divine intervention - that is their   intervention. The opposers, the remnant church will be killed. Nice! Still want to follow this wonderful revival of Bentley’s folks?

Joel’s army in scripture far from being the Lord’s endtime army, are a devastating dark army that destroys and devours God’s people. It comes from the King of the North - that is Babylon - that is Rome. So Paul Cain yet again actually testifies with scripture what their schemes are - antichrist - for they testify that is what they are, this  army. Even if we did not know it already by their blasphemies, heresies and ecumnicism, we know it here. (Elsewhere it is prophesied that Joel’s army has feet of mixed iron and clay - again this is Daniel’s vision of the antichrist  ‘empire’ the persecutor comes from (Rome and the mixed nations, so yet again they testify against themselves!) And of course scripture does not predict an end time revival like this, it predicts an end time apostasy, a great falling away and a great persecution of the Saints. But the Latter Rain doesn’t mention the antichrist in their theology, it can’t - because they are  the antichrist (if they get their way)!

Paul Cain predicted of the stadiums being filled: “What if 120,000 get together and then the fire comes from heaven and the glory of God…” This is what the false prophet does in Revelation 13: 13,14 And he [the false prophet] doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men: And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had the power to do in the sight of the beast…

While I acknowledge there are many that are deeply sincere, I know that many of the powers that be in the new apostolic-prophetic movement are not that ignorant of scripture, and well know the things that Cain and Jones and others testify too. They know what they are doing, and they know whom they serve. But it has always been the case that an effective way to undermine an organisation is by sending in plants to divert, subvert and to corrupt and to convert from within. Counter-operations if you like. M16, the CIA and the KGB do it. The communists did it the church, as did the Jesuits and other Romanists, as do even Satanists. And Satan sends in his false apostles. Why church are you so shocked? Don’t you realise you are in a war?

For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. But I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super-apostles.”   (2 Corinthians 11:4-5)

For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.  (2 Corinthians 11:13-15)

I am reminded here of the visions I have had. Last July I saw affliction coming onto the church (and a great falling away) - (http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/08/04/the-glassblower-a-vision-for-the-end-times-church/) -

I then saw a large army rushing forward, dressed in black armour, their helmets were affiliated to evil, they were rushing en-masse, pressing down and swooping down - God called it an ‘army from the North’* rushing down in a semi-circular formation - like a hurricane formation - and then it came too from the East so it was like a North East wave, momentus in its force, and it looked like it was coming down upon the map of the USA (the ’seat’ of 21st century lukewarm Christianity?) over from the North and then the East. ‘The army will be like bees,’ said God, ‘with a sting in their tail’. Just like God allowed pharoah and other ungodly kings to bring judgment upon Israel - in order that they may repent and come back to Him - so He would use ungodly forces to bring affliction upon the modern day church if   they did not repent and become hot.

This is the Joel’s Army of scripture - but it seems, if Latter Rain get their way, this dark enemy massing from Babylon is actually the church warring against the church - the harlot church against the true church.

See also this about the corrupt church’s plotting for power, and their then being empowered by the dragon with real spiritual power (albeit dark) as he comes to unleash his anger upon the world. Note also the connection to Rome -  http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/08/07/prophetic-vision-of-end-times-harvest-antichrist-vatican-church-falling-away/

Behind closed doors they go and kings and bishops conspire against me (says God). I see a vision of them playing like military generals on a war map, pushing the pieces around with those sticks they use. They - The Vatican (?) with others - push a ‘black’ dark army against a nation, but why?‘For their own power and wealth and gain. They care not about me. They crush the poor and steal bread from the children’s mouths.’ I then see a vision of them trying to jumpstart a car - they lack power (of a spiritual sort) but soon that false satanic spark will come and testify for them. It comes like a black star falling into the sea - it goes into the deep abyss and then arises like a monster with a roar and fury for its time is short.

Then see how the signs and wonders movement is connected to corrupt and to infiltrate the church with a poisonous gospel, and to win it to heresy from the inside -http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/the-poisoned-pond-a-prophecy-for-the-church-of-2007/  Note too the testimony to Mary and to Rome. This is where signs and wonders are going as can be seen in some of the last posts on this site on the New Mystics, contemplative meditation and stigmatisim etc.

I had a vision…. saw a pond, and I knew this pond represented the modern day Christian church (all denominations). Reeds surrounded the edge of the pond and dipped their head in the water, and this water was supposed to be the water of life, feeding the many flocks from the surrounding fields who came to quench their thirst from the heat of the day, and being an oasis of tranquillity and calm in the world.

However, I saw that the pond water was bitter - it had been poisoned, intentionally and deliberately. I saw the water was in many parts stagnant and stinking, with dead flies lying on top of yucky yellowy-green algae clumped up together. There were large parts of the pond covered with this yellowish-green gunk and in some parts I could even see the ‘whiff’ rising as steam from the water. It was acrid.

However, in some parts of the pond, dotted here and there, there still seemed to be life and movement in the water, and it was cleaner and freer water underneath the surface, but the water in these sections was still not flowing as well as it should, it was being hindered with a limited space to move in before hitting a stinking section again. It was surrounded by gunk which bordered it on all sides. I saw this gunk press in and gain ground on the clean water, and it was like an army pressing in and gaining ground, pushing and charging and pressing in like a general moves the toy piece across to gain ground on a military map, except this ‘wall’ of mili tary might was on all sides - this ‘wall’ was attempting to squeeze the life and cleanness out of the ‘good’ ‘clean’ sections of water. I saw there was (or would be) fear and intimidation from these stinking parts of the pond.

I  saw a large silver fish leap up from the water and then go back in again. It was unhealthy and gasping for breath, it could not breathe well because of the bad water.I wondered about this for some time. I remember the tactics of armies in the Roman Empire who poisoned their enemy’s water supplies - it was an effective method of ‘guerilla’ warfare, although out of order and acknowledged as barbaric. It got people without their even realising, by the time they realised it was too late. To that extent it was cunning - ’subtle’ and ’seductive’.

I wondered who would do such a thing to the church, and then I saw seductive spirits and the ‘men’ behind getting them into the modern day church. These counterfeit spirits (with seductive teachings) acted as the poison in the water, dropping in as blackness into the water and this poison spread rapidly and remarkably over the pond. The pond yielded seemingly without blinking, quite happy. Particularly, I saw the poison that had spread through the church ‘pond’ from the Toronto Blessing. This seduction had achieved in poisoning a wide spectrum of denominations with remarkable success, and made them pliable and open to delusion that few seductive teachings or spirits before had had such success with. Its success was also in going beyond a relatively limited sphere of influence within a singular denomination to affect and poison almost all denominations and groups. It (Toronto) was one of the most succesful seductions of the church as it had achieved what few other ’spirits’ had, and people under it were completely blind to its bad fruit. Once avoided false shepherds had achieved credibility and were ‘gurus’ to even non charismatic or pentecostal circles. False prophets and apostles birthed from it were now accepted by the wider body as coita.

The pond thought they had life, yet the pond stank and was never in a worse state! It thought it was alive, yet what I saw was ‘living’ (in the most part) was bacteria and vermin feeding off it. I was shocked at the deliberate intent and malice at the poisoning of the pond.

I then saw what looked like Tinkerbell (the fairy from Peter Pan) hovering over the stagnant parts of the pond, calling to them and whispering lovingly. She had silver stars on her head, and she was dressed in sparkling white and had a beautiful woman’s face that then became like the Madonna (note: the Virgin Mary as Roman Catholics see her, not the Biblical Mary). She looked holy and demure and beautiful and spiritual and she carried a wand which she held over the pond and the wand twinkled with stars and magical sparkle and gold dust which fell to the pond but when it touched the water it was dark and black and poisoned it even more, yet the pond water opened up more to accept it and thought it wonderful.  She whispered sweetly and seductively and she was a marvellous sight indeed as she offered ‘magic’ and ‘mystery’. She got the eyes of the pond looking at her instead of focussing on Jesus - her name is Seduction - but some know her as ‘whore’ . The pond looked at her in wonder and began to seek her only and to worship her, not even realising they had been lead away from the true Jesus, they were so busy marvelling at her and her signs.

I could see the water (the people) reach out to her with open hearts with great joy and relief - they truly saw her as a sign, and she was, yet she was not of God but from the evil one. But they thought her marvellous.

I think it is clear to most what this vision means. Let him who has ears let him have ears what the Spirit has to say to the churches. WAKE UP! YOU ARE IN GREAT DANGER AND DO NOT EVEN KNOW IT, SEE HOW YOU SLUMBER. I COULD POKE YOU IN THE RIBS AND YOU NOT EVEN STIR. You have allowed these things in, what are you going to do about it? Repent, kick them and their heinous theories out? Seek me and seek cleansing and forgiveness. Seek to rescue the flock, speak up and rid your church of these things, be ruthless. It is too late for many of your people caught in this though. They stare right ahead, they will not listen to you if you tell them to turn from these things, they are enraptured, seduced, captured, gone. Like birds caught in a snare, their wings beat but they cannot fly free. Whose fault is it?    

Then see this, I got only days before ‘revival’ hit Lakeland - http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/prince-charming-and-the-forgotten-gospel/

I saw the harvest fields (traditionally associated with the mission field) - but these fields were inside the ‘church’. They were ripe, plump and rich for harvest. I then saw a hoard of dark locusts or other insects devouring this beautiful ripe wheat, and as insects did they attacked the grain en masse - tiny nibbles here and there, but en masse it was devastating on the crop. I saw the swarm near the bottom of the grain stalks (where the grains stand), and there were many tiny holes and soon this wheat would not be able to stand as the stalks would be so weakened. I realised the dark locusts represented the false teachers and teachings within the modern day ‘church’, bringing about devastating damage because of the sheer amount of them. The darkness representing their spiritual identity - of darkness and not of the light. Note also, the devastation brought about by ‘tiny’ deviations of doctrine or ‘only little bits’  of bad behaviour, what damage is done when it is done on a large enough scale, by enough insects. I had never seen it quite like this before - it was awful to watch. The swarm was allowed at the crop, and it was a terrible thing to behold.

I then thought about the Joel prophecy about locusts. The locusts in Joel represented the enemy’s army of the North - Babylon - allowed by God to attack and destroy His people and their property because of their distance from God, their sin and apostasy. ‘Babylon’ in the book of Revelation is the apostasy of the world, and spiritual adultery in a religious setting, thriving on greed and corruption and a distorted message. And indeed Babylon is eating away at the modern day church - a hoard of false teachers on the religious television channels and in the pulpits and bookstores - and Babylon has become so intermingled with her, that the church is almost at one with it (instead of being at one with Christ Jesus).

I thought about the phrase: ‘I will restore the years the locusts have eaten….’   and wondered with my heart skipping a few beats of excitement: God, does that mean you will restore the church from its present state of decay to something amazing in this generation…?  To restore it from a state of decline and apostasy and decay and corruption to something wonderful again, radiant and pure and true to the word?  I thought about this and prayed for some time: perhaps something wonderful could  happen in this generation, despite what I knew was to come in the future - but was then shown from various scriptures that were brought to my mind that this could not be so about the ‘church’ - although it could be about the smaller remnant true church (being Christ’s body) rather than the institution as such. God, of course, wanted what people think of as the ‘church’ to be right, and to repent, and to live in truth and be saved, but the truth is, I was shown, it will not be, as the majority will not repent and get right with God, or lay down their delusions or golden calfs at the alter.

I was then shown a vision of a handsome Prince Charming wearing his crown, coming to kiss the sleeping beauty church and awaken her from her evil inspired slumber. For a moment, again my heart skipped a beat - could this be Jesus coming for his bride - but almost immediately as I thought it, I was told this was not  Jesus, but another one - a pretender to his throne. Oh Lord, Lord, do not let this be so - no, God!   I groaned, devastated, and begged that it would not be so, but I knew that it must be so, for what is written. I knew this Prince Charming was the antichrist with the false prophet mouthpiece, and the church was fooled by him because she was (for the most part) asleep, and she took for herself a husband that was not her husband. If she had been awake and alert, she would not have been taken in by this Prince Charming (who looked so like Jesus I wondered for a moment if I was wrong about his true identity) coming for the church……he would kiss them awake and ‘revive’ them, with something the like of which we ain’t seen nothing of yet, real amazing signs in the heavens above etc, not just charlatanism - and it would be thought to be true revival by the ‘church’ but would be something awful in its overtones and its consequences. But this all had to happen so the scriptures would be fulfilled about a powerful end time delusion, and the state of the end time church. How it grieved me, how it grieved me. I wish it were not so….  

In the Last Days, this false Prince, this pretender, will make War against the Saints and overcome them - but don’t you know, the way to first  make war is to pretend you are on the other party’s side and undermine them or convert them to your cause. How many Trojan Horses as enticing gifts, have gone into the church, with the enemy hidden inside the horse’s belly to convert the church from the inside to apostasy? Swarms of them, I tell you, swarms of the dark army have run into the church and have ensconced themself there quite comfortably. And how succesful they have been, yet when I cry out a warning about them, I have stones flung at me by the church who insist I am not loving for saying this, and ordered to be quiet! Church, stop tolerating this dark enemy within you! If you want to practice true spiritual warfare, forget what Cindy Jacobs falsely prophecies and promises, but do something that will have almost immediate results - clean yourself up! Rid the enemy from your camp, and rid yourself of those that have intermarried with the enemy, and become a pure army, so that at least you  will be able to stand, and carry on standing, and your legs will not be weakened by the locust nibbles.

What can I say to you all, then, but to be awake and alert - and watch and pray - and don’t fall asleep, for truly I say to you, we are in the days of the burning of the tenth lamp of oil (pp parable of the ten virgins). And warn the others. A prince comes soon - very soon. But it is the prince Daniel spoke of, not the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ will   return, but when he does EVERY eye will see Him etc. Do not be fooled by this prince in the meantime. Stay awake and make sure you have enough oil.

And then see how there are incredible feelings and highs associated with this antichrist move that are hard to distinguish - even for the saints. http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2007/11/18/vision-of-war-peace-and-the-antichrist/

I then felt a tremendous tangible and also spiritual sense of peace, yet it was not from the Lord Jesus, it was from the antichrist. It was a false peace but it felt so incredible and so nice and so real and true that if the Lord had not told me it was not Him I would have thought it were from Him.

Time and time again, God has prophesied who the locusts are. And time and time again the false prophet prophesies who the locusts are too. Why on earth don’t the church listen? Wake up, I tell you, wake up! For this army, they prepare for war.

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So now, with that basic background info our of the way let’s look at what Lou Engle actually said at the Passion for Jesus   conference that night.

He refered to the new Elijahs rising up, preparing the way as forerunners. (James Goll linked to Lou Engle on the Call’s board), wrote in Charisma Magazine   that The Call would result in “a new breed of radical, fierce, yet humble intercessors… emerging on the scene”. He points out that “in every generation God raises up forerunners… like John the Baptist…to prepare the way.” The spirit of antichrist does the same thing in the use of his forerunner, the false prophet. What are Goll et al forerunning since they have such antichrist doctrines? Are, indeed, they and their kind the false prophet spoken of on Revelation who testifies to the beast? I think so. Or let’s say, they want to be. Whether or not God lets them do it, is another thing.

Lou Engle said that Elijah was a ‘God man’, (he used those words) and what was written about him was ‘prophetic’ for the end time Elijah Company.

Lou Engle spoke on civil war in the church, and he was talking about it literally, not just spiritually or metaphorically. This is the new apostolic takeover, or as Bob Jones prophesied, the civil war with the blues and greys (the people basically who have the new revelation and those in the church who oppose it). There was a lot of elitism and Nazarite separation and baloney he also mentioned, but I am focussing here on the dangerous militaristic teachings - this man, that so many people call sweet, humble and gentle, calls the apostolic church to ungodly war. Church, for God’s sake wake up and do not tolerate this man or this antichrist movement - or its revivals. God help us all!

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According to Lou Engle, the initial vision for The Call was based on a prophetic message delivered by Bob Jones—who prophesied in 1993 that 100,000 people—mostly youth—would meet in Nashville to pray and usher in a new movement of the Holy Spirit. Of couse his own movement rushed to fulfil Bob Jones prophecies, so it was self fulfilling prophecy - just like the manufactured Toronto Blessing and other things were created to make them fit Bob Jones words and Latter Rain agenda.

May 7, 2008 Posted by endtimespropheticwords | Abusive Churches/Ministers, Deception, False Prophets and Teachers, Heresy/Apostasy, Kansas City Prophets, Lou Engle (The Call), Mike Bickle (IHOP & Kansas City Prophets), Prophecies of Miriam Franklin, Prophecy, signs and wonders | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 28 Comments