Why did Todd Bentley let Paul Cain lie to millions?
Prophet Paul Cain came to the Lakeland Healing Revival/Florida Outpouring and gave his support to Todd Bentley recently. More than that, Paul Cain crowned Todd Bentley the new Elijah, and spoke of Todd Bentley fulfilling his Joel’s Army prophecies of stadiums filled with people doing amazing signs and wonders and ushering in a great end time harvest.
I wrote something about Paul Cain and Bentley here: http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/paul-cain-to-appear-with-todd-bentley-at-tiger-town-joker-marchant-stadium/ and also here: http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/a-prophetic-vision-of-prophet-paul-cain/
Now, even putting aside all the previous articles on this site (and many places elsewhere) raising huge red flags about Todd Bentley and his ministry http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/category/todd-bentley-fresh-fire/, about Paul Cain, Bob Jones, others of the Kansas City Prophets, Patricia King, Latter Rain etc. etc. (you can navigate by the far right categories tab) - including some real obvious lies that are rife through this movement - there occured another major lie that nobody can deny. It really makes one question both these ‘Spirit filled’ ministers’ integrity. While many in today’s church are closing their eyes to Todd Bentley’s obvious faults and heresie, and keep making excuses and justifications for him, how on earth can they justify what follows?
Paul Cain said “I’ve been a celibate all my life”. Yet he is famed for being ‘outed’ as a homosexual, and lying about it for a long time - even when outed, instead claiming he was being framed by his accusers! - before eventually confessing to it and heavy alcohol abuse. He is noted for having been an alcoholic to the extent he was slurred and incoherent when ministering (some say he appeared slurred on stage at Lakeland so perhaps he is not restored). His fall from ministry, and its reasons, is well known. There is no doubt at all that Todd Bentley knew about it. Yet not only did Todd Bentley let Paul Cain lie, he let him lie while prophesying, he let him lie to potentially millions, he let him lie uncorrected or unrebuked. An honest minister with integrity could have said something like this afterwards: ‘Paul did fall, but he was forgiven by God, and has been restored.’ Yet because Todd Bentley wanted the acclaim (he flew Paul Caul in to hype his revival up and do some back-slapping), he let Paul Cain go unrebuked.
“He (Paul Cain) called a young man, one of Bentley’s interns front and center, and prophesied over him. When he opened his moth to speak over this man he lied before God, the thousands there and the millions watching on TV. He told how he had vowed to live a celibate lifestyle and had done so for all these years. …”
This revival has been at the expense of truth on many different levels. Here is yet another example of it.
Perhaps “the truth is not in them [him].”
todd im your greatest fan i wish i could see u theres so much things i’ve heard about u i luv u
Hi
Todd Bentley is doing a whole lot better than most folk.
Ok maybe not everyones perfect-who are we to judge.
I am just so glad that my friend who was blind can now see and this is because of God working through Todd Bentley. There have been so many positive healings from Todd’s meetings but people will always pick out the negative.
We should stop attacking and judging and just work on our personal relationship with God.
Big Blessings
Jo
Todd did not allow Paul Cain to come back to the podium after that. He was honoring him for the vision he caried. The hope was that Paul would have been resotored. He is not. Rick Joyner of Morning Star Ministries has posted this in a Special Bulletin section from their web site.
I do pray for Paul, but he is not alowed to minister through Fresh Fire or Morning Star now.
From watching the Utube it appears that he seems to really care, but allowing this Paul Cain to preach, when he hasn’t made it right, disqualifys both of them to even be allowed to preach, and what about the out of the body experiance he is talking about?? And doesn’t anyone who is a preacher need to be accountable and then, what about the tatoos after this video? Recently I have met people who tell me they are good people, and they really believe they are good, but they live in sin, adultry, fornication, lasciviousness, and yet they claim they are good people. Perhaps this Bentley really believes himself that he is really is doing Gods work. That is where the deception is, The New Testement teachings call for a life of righteousness in the Lord’s strength, a call for leaders to live right and be accountable, so that people will be able to trust, grow and be nurtured in the Lord. The Local Authorities really need to do an investigation especially since Paul Cain showed up. God bless and may the Truth be revealed, and the Lord be Glorified. God is a Holy God and will not violate his integrity. He is the Spirit of Truth. God bless
Steve:
So Rick Joyner NOW claims (because of the hoo hah) that Todd Bentley would not let Paul Cain take back the platform because he lied? So very easy to say that, when all the back slapping and all that was to be said by Paul Cain about Todd Bentley and the revival has already been said, isn’t it? - and when there has been a public outcry after the fact, to try to cover your tracks, isn’t it? How do we even know he was supposed to come ‘back’ on the platform anyway?
Furthermore, even if the above is true, the fact is, these public lies were not publically retracted - as they should have been immediately at the time. At best they were covered up. Unless you happen to know these were lies, you would be none the wiser today. That’s still a whopping big lie and Todd Bentley still allowed it. It lacks integrity.
“It is the truth concerning JESUS that inspires all prophecy” (Revelation 19:10).
Those inspired to speak or proclaim something by the Holy Spirit should be helping
to direct our attention onto Christ and away from everything that distracts us.
The prophetic voice should rise up like a trumpet and bring clarity and direction
out of confusion and misunderstanding. It is not just truth stated in an inspirational way,
it is the truth concerning JESUS spoken by those who know Him and can lead others to Him.
But of all things, the prophetic ministry today does more to distract us from Jesus than to
tell us the truth concerning Jesus. In fact, it is difficult to find Jesus at all in most of what is touted today as “prophetic”.
The prophetic word is given to point us to Jesus. Everything the Holy Spirit would speak, reveal, teach,
and show us is towards this same end, which is CHRIST. We do not need to mull over every dream, vision, word, or prophecy,
trying to exegete its hidden meaning, struggling to extract some spiritual significance where none exists.
If what we see and hear does not point us to Jesus then it is not prophetic and should be discarded.
This simple test will keep us from distraction.
Apostles must point people to Christ. Prophets must point people to Christ. Evangelists must point people to Christ.
Pastors and teachers must point people to Christ. Otherwise they are not fulfilling the purpose for which God placed
them in the Church to begin with. Apostolic ministry is not an end unto itself, but is a means to an end. Prophetic
ministry is not an end unto itself, but is a means to an end. Evangelistic ministry is not an end unto itself, but is a means
to an end. Pastoral and teaching ministries are not ends unto themselves, but are a means to an end. What is the end?
What is the purpose? What does it all lead to? It leads to “the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ” (Ephesians 4:13b). The fullness of Christ, the full-knowledge of Him - this is God’s Goal and His Ultimate Intention.
I came to the Lord in the midst of the Charismatic movement. The emphasis was on Spirit-filled living,
restoring spiritual gifts, the power of God, and so forth. We find no fault with walking in the fullness of the Holy Spirit.
But what is the purpose of all this fullness? Why tongues, and prophetic words, and other spiritual gifts?
Why the manifest power of God? All of these things are given us by the Lord to draw us deeper into Himself; to repeat,
they are means to an End, but they are not the end, for the End, the Purpose, and the Reason for all things is Christ.
“When He, the Spirit of Truth is come, He will guide you into all Truth [Christ]: for He shall not speak of Himself…
He will glorify Me, for He will receive from Me, and will reveal it to you” (John 16:13,14ff). All the gifts, all the power,
all the counsel, everything pertaining to the Holy Spirit has the goal of bringing us into a more complete knowing of Jesus Christ.
Everything must be in harmony with this.
But just see how the experience of being “filled” or “baptized” or “anointed” or “slain in the Spirit” has replaced Christ!
What is the result? Excess, error, and a falling away into the flesh. Today we see only a shadow of what we once saw.
How many “Full-Gospel” believers are still living off of the glory that they saw twenty-five years ago! They are still looking
for an experience, but if God gives it to them, it is a step backwards. They have not grown one bit; they are simply coasting
on the energy of what God was doing twenty or thirty years ago.
It is time for us to leave elementary school and go on to maturity. “When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a
child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man I put away childish things” (I Corinthians 13:11). The Lord has a high
calling for us, and we are called to “go on to maturity” (Hebrews 6:1ff). The spiritual life begins in Christ, is sustained by
Christ, and leads us to Christ. We may begin by having some profound spiritual experiences, but maturity is certainly not
achieved through them.
Wow! I am amazed at how many huge boulders are being thrown at this Revival. It takes a number of people to pick up boulders this size and throw them. Have you been there??? Take all ” Dirty Laundry” out of the picture and God is moving among His People. Let’s look at and air all your dirty laundry and see how ” Worthy ” you are to be the Holy Spirit over the services. Wow, the Holy Spirit Convicts, Satan, points his finger through Condemnation! You didn’t think they said these same things about the ex murderer Apostle Paul. I think all of the finger pointers and the mockers and judgers better look at what happened to David’s wife Michael when she mocked King David for being transparent in worship before his people.
She was barren the rest of her life. She produced no fruit. What about you???
Is it any wonder the World is so “Lost” when “YOU” think “YOU” are so PRO- “Found”!! WOW! and BAM!!!
Those of us that have been spirit filled and speak with other tongues know and can discern the things of God. Todd Bentley is just like you and I, we have to filter ALL things through the flesh. NO ONE will ever “get it right”, 100% of the time. I have watched this healing outpouring in Lakeland, Fla. and I have felt the spirit of God within me stir through the worship and the faith of the people to recieve from GOD, not Todd. Todd has said many times that “he couldn’t make this up”, so true. We need to take our eyes off of man and look at what GOD is doing. If we look at man and what he is doing he will always fail us and we will miss what GOD is doing.
Ruby,
Todd can’t make it up…he’s right about that but Satan sure can.
Satan and his demons have been around for centuries. They know all the tricks to pull on the sheep.
Just as people can pretend to be genuine, sweet, nice and have wicked hearts, so can Satan perform signs and wonders through people that are open to it.
Satan could probably make Todd Bentley shoot fireworks out his hand while crowing like a rooster and everybody would just jump at how awesome the power of God was for that making that happen to Todd. Gotta rush out for that annointing. “Excuse me, can I have the Crow like a rooster firework annointing” PRETTY PLEASE!
Sure Todd can make it up, Servant. Hype people up and lie just like all the other hucksters do, but add some dodgy manifestations and even dodgier prophets into the equation. Can’t you see the hype?
Yea, you’re absolutely right he can make it up on his own. I should have lingered on that statement a little longer. I was was stating that even further than theatrics…satan can do a bang up job in the whole signs and wonders category as well.
Hey, if David Copperfield can do it…so can these guys right.
Oh, I definitely see the hype!
That’s why it’s so hard to understand why others don’t.
Maybe it might be well to consider “feeling the presence of God” at meetings as described above. If we see exciting “miracles” going on, it can cause a release of “feel good” endorphines in our brain, and that can easily be mistaken for feeling the presence of God. satan is the master of the counterfeit…DavWms
I have attended the services being held in Lakeland and can tell you that I have witnessed the heart of Todd Bentley directly. I know his manner is unorthodox and he certainly can put off those of us from more conservative streams of the Body but I have been satisfied that he desires for this to be a move of God and not of man.
The Lord Jesus Christ’s name is declared and is lifted up. Satan has no ability to do that - as Jesus taught that no kingdom that fights within itself can stand. I’ve seen Todd submit to the apostolic authority that God has placed over these meetings. I’ve seen the worship team care less about the opinions of man than the opinions of God. I’ve seen Parkinsons sufferers stop shaking as soon as they get on stage, and I’ve seen others without Parkinson shake from the power of the Holy Spirit.
Please watch the services on God TV or ustream.com and really seek the Lord’s discernment before you cavalierly dismiss what’s happening in Florida. Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.
hello friends..
some of you who are judging the move of God and other minister, it sounds like slander.. and talking behind the back.. if you see a problem.. Jesus teaches us to go to the person and talk about it.
by the way.. read Matthew 12:22-37
Todd cannot be healing sickness and casting out demons by power of Satan and his tricks… neither can he be claiming Jesus is Lord without the Holy SPirit (1 corinthians 12:3) and 1 John 4:2…
Guys, miracles and power to heal comes from God.. and not from Satan.. Satan is the one that wants us dead, sick, miserable, and angry and bitter through our sins and rebellion.
Friends.. could our hearts be tender towards the Lord and the power of the Holy Spirit?
1 corinthians 2:4 and 1 thessalonians 1:5
just cuz we have not cruicified our flesh and lived in utter and total surrender and obedience to Jesus like Todd has and thus have not received great power from God.. doesn’t mean we should just rant about it…
how about our lives? are we perfect? why don’t we first confess our own sins before judging the multitudes .. the multitudes that we don’t even know personally.
Matthew 9:34 records how the Pharisees claimed that Jesus was driving out demons by the power of the prince of demons and Matthew 12:24 says that the Pharisees said,”It is only by Beelzebub, [ Greek Beezeboul or Beelzeboul; also in verse 27] the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”
It seems to me that some people are responding to the outpouring in Lakeland just like the Pharisees did in Jesus’ time. So I must remind you what Jesus said about them. Matthew 16:11 and 12 records the following:”How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
And finally Matthew 12:34 is the warning to those of you who are speaking out against the works of God: You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.
Be very careful about what you are judging as not of God because He will use the foolish things to confound the wise, or those who think they are wise.
God specialises in using failures for His purposes and to show His Glory, have a look in your Bible!
Renee Helms & Mike: Way to go!!! The word is sharper than a two edged sword Praise God. Have you ever wondered why Jesus spent so much time showing us the truth about the Pharisees and Sadducees? Could it be He knew we would deal with the same type of people in our days? He is so awesome and there are many being confound even now in the name of Jesus.
Have any of you done research on what a Pharisee and Sadducee is, what their beliefs were and why Jesus warned against them?
Try that first before you call people names who are trying to warn you of danger.
hOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO LIVE THRU THIS IN THE CHURCH?
tODD CALLED OUT ABOUT A HUNDRED PLUS HEALINGS THE OTHER NIGHT, CANCER, TUMERS BLOOD DISEASES. WILL ANYBODY VERIFY THESE CLAIMS? I DOUBT IT. iF THIS IS REAL AND i WAS tODD, I WOULD GET ALL OF THESE HEALINGS DOCUMENTED, BECAUSE YOU KNOW IN LESS THAN A YEAR THE NEWS NETWORKS WILL DO SHOWS INTERVIEWING PEOPLE STAING THAT THIS IS A SHAM. IF ITS REAL THEN PROVE IT. I WILL BE WAITING, PROBABLY FOREVER
Steve said:
>Furthermore, even if the above is true, the fact is, these public lies were not publically retracted .
Well, they “retracted” the video archive on ustream!
Dave - Amen! And a couple of days ago I heard him say that at least two people have been raised from the dead because of the Lakeland “outpouring”. I think we would all agree that God certainly has the power to raise someone from the dead, so if this really happened, wouldn’t some independent confirmation go along way in erasing doubt? What a testimony that would be to the power of God! As Dave said, I’ll be waiting…
I went to the Outpouring for 3 days. I was there the night Paul Cain spoke. I didnt know who he was, but Todd said all that people spoke against him in the past wasnt true. And that God was going to vindicate him that night with 215 countries watching worldwide. Tonight Bob Jones is on prophesying. A man who supposedly had girls strip in his office. What a mess of a meeting.
I thought everything was on the up and up…but now I wonder.
And what about this angel Emma!!
Eeeny meeny miny moe….Is it real…is it false.
When we were there, we loved it. But this whole prophet thing is strange…blogger…keep up the good work. Very thought provoking.
One last thought….there were people from China at the revival all nights. It was prophysied that this revival would go to China. So when I heard of the earthquake and was crying in front of my tv to see that tradgedy, I thought well tonight when those thousand meet in Florida they will surely remember them in prayer. I watched for a while but mostly they are just letting Bob Jones do his thing.
Servant,
Re post #19 above:
Exactly!
I thought of the movie field of dreams, a few years ago, and “Shoeless Joe,”, a famous ball player who threw the world series, cheated, for cash, in the 1929 world series.
There was a famous headline around the nation, “SAY IT AIN’T SO, JOE.”……..
Paul Cain was caught “RED” handed , at Kansas city IHOP, drunken, while trying to solicit some of the young men there for sex[at least in a lewd manner].
His confession of the sin of homosexuality and folowing restoration restoration process is an international reality and fact, as Joyner says it is.
His evident endorsement of Bentley is akin to Baalim’s betrayal to me, and to say with a strait face, that he has always been celibate, and “allegations” have been thrown at him, is beyond distortion. Has he lost his mind? Does he actually believe that these painful episodes never occured? Does he believe that thousands of people have actually forgotten his own confession of these exact sins?
I have respected Paul Cain possibly above any. I have reproved him too, through letter, in personal matters. I am stunned. I have been praying for my brothers life for many years, that Satan would not devour him, and the Lord would show mercy. At this moment, I am sick.
Say it ain’t so, PAUL………..Tom Watkins
If any lover of our Lord Jesus Christ wants to know if most of the articles on this website are written in the Spirit of truth, please only just look at all the ministers and ministries they blast and accuse (to the left of the posts in the hundreds of numbers)to see their heart. Satan is the accuser of the brethren. No one is perfect. Yes, some of these ministers are still living in sin, but for the most part, most of these ministers are living for Jesus.
good laugh Amy. Perhaps it’s time for you to move on.
I personally get tired of hearing the limp-wristed attitude that we are not to judge. One of the most important things we are to do is judge and discern, and not by how seemingly nice a person is or how good their motives but by the black and white scriptures and othe know things like blatant witchcraft tattoos, homosexuality, drunkenness, greed, etc. I want to puke when someone insists I have no right to judge because I don’t personally know the person. Did Peter personally have to know Simon the Sorcerer? No, all he needed to know is he was violating the Scriptures. Todd teaches you can buy the gift of God with money. He is condemning the people to destruction in the name of his personal greed. The sooner Todd is removed from the body of christ the less destruction there will be. And that’s my judgement based on the Bible, not on his motives and moods or if he seems like a nice guy or not. And what about all those satanic tattoos hes gotten just recently. Seriously, just because a few healings are happening you are willing to overlook all that? Why won’t you fall for the antichrist then, actually you have fallen for his spirit that has come literally as an angel of light. It baffles me anyone supports this guy when there is so much on the net about him. Are people just willingly having a seared conscience?
Ryan (from Cleveland Ohio) - what an excellent post. Thank you brother and may God bless you with even more of His wisdom from above.
God bless
Danni
Is anyone hearing directly from the Lord about this? Is anyone actually prophesying about Todd and what he is up to? Are there any public prophesies about Paul Cain and him being allowed to affect so many while still in such sin?
Joie: yes, there are posts on this blog on this matter,
Old Story
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel19.html
Looks like somebody is trying to remove the speck from Todd’s and Paul’s eye while ignoring the plank in their own.
Daniel,
You would be doing the same thing then.
For a good read on this and other subjects on the charismatic check out, “A Step Into Deliverance” by T. Pugh. It is a riveting autobiography about a pastor’s struggle with the spirit of Jezebel.
God keeps speaking to me about not lifting up our own gifts and lifting up the gifts of those who are not the ones everyone wants to look at.
From the website of Paul Cain (now deleted and denied)
A Letter of Confession
I must apologize to the body of Christ for my recent conduct. I want to correct the denials that I made earlier in reference to charges brought against me.
I acknowledge the following: 1. I have struggled in two particular areas, homosexuality and alcoholism, for an extended period of time. 2. I apologize for denying these matters of truth, rather than readily admitting them. I especially apologize to Rick Joyner, Jack Deere, and Mike Bickle for my misunderstanding of their attempt to discipline me according to Matthew 18. I have come to appreciate their loving intent for me in this process. 3. I am ashamed of what I have done to hurt those close to me and the pain I have caused those who have believed in my ministry. Particularly, if I have hurt anyone by my actions of emotional or sexual misconduct, I am very sorry. I sincerely ask for your forgiveness. I have submitted to a team of leaders in the body of Christ who are supervising every aspect of my restoration. This team is headed by Larry J. Alberts (Fathers and Families Together, Minneapolis, MN) and Dr. Daniel J. Kim (Destiny Training International, El Monte, CA). Larry has considerable experience in restoration ministry and has been requested by leaders such as John Wimber, Rick Joyner, and Francis Frangipane to help restore highly significant ministers in the body of Christ. Daniel directs a training center which emphasizes biblical spirituality and prophetic reformation. I have submitted to Larry and Daniel to develop an appropriate program, involving professional treatments, so that I may walk in moral purity, spiritual and physical health, and wholeness of life.
With hope in Christ, Paul Cain
Rick Joyner is antichrist. He denieth the father and the Son by stating that Jesus was and is Spirit, who only took the form of a man for a short time.
This denies that Christ is forever God-Man and confuses the difference between God the Father who is all Spirit forever and God the Son, who took human nature upon Himself. Forever. Not just for a short stint on earth, like some Hollywood possession movie, Mr. Joyner.
Joyner and C Peter Wagner and Bill Hamon are actually the most dangerous of all these men. Bentley, Cain and Bob jones will be rotated out as their Baal spirits are revealed. Joyner is the real False Prophet. No wonder he didn’t want to say what he knows: Jones and Cain molested people while they were prophesying over them… this is Jezebel, male Jezebels. Joyner let them off saying “it was just a spirit of lust.” Or “it was just my gay tendencies”
No it wasn’t. Watch out for Joyner, his Final Quest is actually describing the End Times Apostate Church. This is mystery Babylon… it is all coming out of America, folks.
First of all, let me say this, I cannot understand the naivete of individuals stating that this “revival” is of God. Where is the transformation that comes in revival? Where are, not only the changed individuals, but the changed churches and changed cities and towns? Churches have been changed by this - torn to pieces as people argue back and forth. You simply cannot state that something is God because it gives you the warm fuzzies on the inside, or it “witnesses” with your spirit. Also, speaking in tongues does not mean you cannot be deceived!
On the flip side, I would strongly caution people against saying such things as this, posted by AriseMyLove:
Jones and Cain molested people while they were prophesying over them… this is Jezebel, male Jezebels. Joyner let them off saying “it was just a spirit of lust.” Or “it was just my gay tendencies”. If this is not documented, and is something you heard about from someone who heard about it, please refrain from making such accusations, as it only brings more damage. I do not agree with Jones’ or Paul Cain, but I would be very careful about accusing them of molesting people while they prophesied over them, unless you have supporting evidence.