Kim Clement & Lance Wallnau, Chicago Prophetic Blast May 2008
Steve Schulz of the Elijah List is promoting Kim Clement heavily for an upcoming conference in Chicago co-sponsored by his apostate and money-centred Elijah List that touts false prophets and all their wares. Not only does Steve Schulz have the audacity to call Kim Clement a ‘great prophet’ but he also claims Kim Clement is ‘what Chicago needs to open the Heavens’. Wow, I mean, wow! - doesn’t Steve Schulz have any integrity left at all? It’s bad enough to hear what Rory and Wendy Alec of God TV have recently been gushing out about Kim Clement, as Kim Clement is currently with them in Israel for an (expensive to the viewers) tour of the Holy Land, sponsored by God TV.
Steve Schulz says of the upcoming Chicago event with Kim Clement:
“We talked of the possibility of getting Kim Clement to Chicago. My spirit leapt within me! “Yes! This is exactly what Chicago needs to open the Heavens above this great and pivotal city! …” I thought to myself….
“…Plan to bring Kleenex as you weep in the Lord’s prophetic presence of love. Plan to bring your laughter! Plan to bring a great prophet to Chicago FOR SUCH A TIME AS THIS - to bless this city and all who come here - with an OPEN HEAVEN. But warning! Don’t wait too long. I expect this one to fill up fast. It’s time to BLAST Chicago and have a blast in Chicago… Thus the name, “CHICAGO PROPHETIC BLAST!”
Go and have a ‘blast’?! Isn’t a true prophet of God not about ticking self absorbed ears and making people have a good time at a conference, but rather one who moves people to their knees in either submission, dedication , consecration and/or repentence to listen to and to obey God - whatever He says, whether it be good or bad? This conference is just self-absorbed feel-good ear tickling words that come from man - and are false as can be, as can be proven from Kim Clement’s abysmal prophetic track record, not to mention his scriptural heresy. ‘Peace, peace when there is no peace! No recession!’ he says.
Note these Elijah List guys already all seem to know what the Lord will be saying too at this conference. How can they - or any man - possibly know what God will speak on any one day in the future, or what God will do there, unless it is a manufactured event, with manufactured words, with manufactured prophets, to look like God speaking, and is as sham and fake as some of the tv-evangelist’s and healers and prophet’s and apostle’s and presenter’s beaming smiles, broadcast and beamed out direct from Jerusalem in Israel (it must be really holy and anointed tv then - place your hand against your tv set, feel the anointing)!!
Wendy and Rory Alec say on the GOD TV website of Kim Clement:
“Wendy Alec said GOD TV was delighted to give its tour members an opportunity to experience prophetic ministry of the calibre of Kim Clement first-hand. “Our heart at GOD TV is to provide viewers with programming which ushers them into God’s presence and Kim has much spiritual insight to share which reflects the whisperings of the Holy Spirit to the Church today.”
It is more about money raking in, and certainly not about truth (as most ‘Christian’ television is) but putting that aside…. the whisperings of the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit does not lie, contradict himself, utter false doctrine and get things wrong. Rather He leads into all truth and points to Jesus. Yet Kim Clement continually and systematically leads away from truth, and to self absorbtion, so what does that say about any spirit he is led by and whispers to him?
And ‘of the calibre’ of Kim Clement - what, you mean abysmal, Wendy? - a proven false prophet? GOD TV promotes proven false prophets and charlatans. Yes, we knew that already, thanks for underlining this fact even more, Rory and Wendy Alec. Really, don’t you have any integrity left? I mean this, don’t you fear God?Yes, you call yourself Christians and look deeply spiritual and have bright shiny faces, and raise your hands, speak in tongues and talk about prophecies and anointings - but don’t you fear God? What is this new spirituality promoted by you? It ain’t God! The Lord rebuke you and may you seek truth while it still may be found.
“It is a great joy for us that renowned prophetic psalmist, Kim Clement will be joining us in Israel for a phenomenal sunset concert from Mount Carmel, where the Prophet Elijah defied the false prophets of Baal,” said Rory Alec. “I believe this is going to be a profound spiritual event, where the Lord will once again send His Holy fire.”
How can anything be profound and spiritual with such a renowned false prophet and false teacher? False fire, maybe…. False prophets are surely on Mount Carmel still - but rather than Elijah defying the false prophets, the false prophets are defying all reason and scripture and God, and getting undiscerning religious people to dig deep into their pockets and to exchange the truth for a lie.
Come on, Rory and Wendy - you know better than this, surely! I note the way the Alecs are now calling where they are situated ‘the Upper Room’ in Jerusalem and have a ‘prayer wall’ with viewer’s photos who could not make their event in person. No doubt a seed faith offering to God TV was enclosed with the picture, and Rory claims of course he was led by the Holy Spirit to ask this of you - just as they have the audacity to claim that people sending in money to GOD TV are supporting ‘missions’. Missions? Practically the only people they show are false prophet, false apostles and charlatans who preach a false gospel! They also claim to have an altar there in the Upper Room of prayer requests. Dear God, here rise the new pharisees! It would be laughable if it were not so serious.
The Alecs recently had Latter Rain Lou Engle of The Call and Graham Power of GDOP (Global Day of Prayer) there in the studio with them, and they all joined forces for a joint prayer event on Pentecost 2008 (last Sunday), almost 60 years to the day after the birth of Israel on May 14th 1948, and also 60 years after the birth of the Latter Rain movement (the counterfeit Israel and counterfeit church) which was on February 12th 2008. [2008 is a key date, see here: http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/2008-the-year-of-revival-and-outpouring-and-the-new-pentecost-why/ as to perhaps why]
Here is a fascinating video featuring Kim Clement. I am sorry for all the nonsense added to it which is unnecessary and really annoying- but please listen to Kim Clement’s words on it. There are also some of Clement’s proven false words here (many more are on the net) here: http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/01/11/kim-clement-and-his-extraordinary-prophecies/ and here: http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/01/10/another-one-of-kim-clements-proven-false-prophecies/
On the video, Kim Clement says that the differance between an Old Testament prophet and a New Testament prophet, is that the new testament prophet is more fun as we are now under grace and not the law. He claims he is in the office of a New Testament prophet and he says he ‘does not deal with the sin factor as much’. He is not going to direct a people, he says. Rather he as a prophet ‘affirms and reveals’ what people already know and ‘releases’ what is inside of them so they can move to the next higher level- usually all hell breaks loose after that he says - (he’s right about that). He does not deal with sin, he says. He says ‘I am not going to join preachers speaking against sin - I am here to draw the treasure out of a person so they can be what they were destined to become…’ (Ear tickling you mean?)
I am thoroughly impressed by the writer of this article. You seemed to find any possible problem with these people or people who said they liked these people, or people who are aquaintances of people who said they liked these people. There are so many things wrong with this, but seeing as you are obviously out to prove anyone but apparently your few preachers that you like (if you even like any) out to be total hooligans who only lie to people for money, I will just mirror you, so that you can see your own foolishness.
If I said, “Peter was a great man, who did many great things for the kingdom.” You would no doubt comment that first, the only ‘great man’ is Jesus, and obviously I am wrong because I implied that anyone besides Jesus was great. You would say that Peter, when he was telling the lame man to walk, told the man to look at him, insinuating that he wanted to glory for the healing, and not Jesus plus he pulled him up by his hand to his feet for his healing, and Jesus didn’t do that, therefore it must be of the devil. Furthermore when Peter was released from jail by an angel, you would no doubt point out that angels are not supposed to break laws of the land, but abide by them, therefore that angel was obviously a demon which the church praying in the town, no doubt prayed up from hell in their charlotus ‘false holy spirit tongues’ which they received in the upper room. And then to add to that, Peter and his crew were being showy and acting drunken when they came out of the upper room, which clearly does not bring glory to God, only to themselves and how ‘holy’ they appear, not to mention they obviously were depressed drunks when they came out, because you are not supposed to be happy or ‘have a blast’ when you are with God, but are supposed to be solemn, and morbid at the spanking you just received. It’s actually quite amusing, although I must admit, it is rather fun to pick apart things like you, just to insult someone, because you really can make up anything you want doing this form of writing. Well, I’m done for now, I look forward to the laughs I will receive reading your other pieces. I think you just became my new favorite comedy author.
Well, bassplaya26 lets see just how Jesus would handle what you have said.
You wouldn’t object to that now would you??????????
Afterall he did say to ‘follow me’
Now lets change your ‘great man’ to good man’ what WAS Jesus reply to this?
‘Did he not say…’Call no man good, for ONLY God is good’
For those of you who didn’t have time to read all of bassplaya26’s comment, let me give the short version for you:
I don’t care if Kim Clement utters false prophecies in the name of God.
Also, bassplaya26, it’s interesting that you chose to criticize the author of this article. It’s much easier than admitting what you were really doing, calling God a liar.
God, in His Word, declares what a false prophet is, and Kim Clement is clearly a false prophet - AS DEFINED BY GOD.
Maybe if you have a problem with that, you should take it up with HIM.
[[ I note the way the Alecs are now calling where they are situated ‘the Upper Room’ in Jerusalem and have a ‘prayer wall’ with viewer’s photos who could not make their event in person. No doubt a seed faith offering to God TV was enclosed with the picture,]]
Yes. If you do not send money, then your picture and prayer request are not represented in Jerusalem.
[[Dear God, here rise the new pharisees]]
Exactly.
It’s good to know what makes a New Testament Prophet Profit.
1. Make people laugh
2. Don’t mention the law of God
3. Don’t mention “the sin factor”
4. Don’t join with anyone who preaches against sin
3. Tell lies about God and the Prophets
4. Do what YOU believe is right in your eyes
5. Reveal what people already know in their hearts
6. Use the power of the ascension gift ministry to loose “all hell”
7. Move to higher levels
Great - now all I have to do is find chapter and verse for these things in my Bible, get some itchy hair extensions to look the part and I’m away.
God bless you, Miriam for exposing this sickening heresy.
Kate
Paula, convenient, but unfortunately for you, I didn’t say ‘good’, did I?
Andypro, it’s obvious you didn’t have the time to read my comment either. i also fail to see where i referenced anything that God said as a lie, but it was good try on your part.
Bassplaya26:
(1) The point of this article to warn us that Kim Clement is a false prophet
(2) The whole point of your post was to belittle the author’s ascertions
(3) By that, I assumed that you don’t think that Kim Clement is a false prophet
(4) God’s Word cleary calls Kim Clement a false prophet, so if you don’t think he is, you’re saying that God is lying.
Or maybe fortunately for you - you didn’t
Comment by David copied over from another post -
Most people think the Fleu de Lys is a good symbol, it isn’t as its masonic and I saw Kim Clement wearing it the other day in Jerusalem.
You did a nice subtle job of twisting the message of Kim Clement. It is much like the devil you are listening to.It is quite good at the same thing.
Have you bothered to check out the fruit of Kim Clement’s life and ministry?
Have you understood that you are to just preach truth as the Bible reveals it . The truth of God’s word is powerful enough to accomplish the reason He sends it. You do not have to join the enemy is being an accuser, a destroyer, and murderer of other people. All judgment is given to Jesus Christ. You just need to present truth and live it before men. Are you doing that?
Janee,
Have you bothered to read the article and the other posts at all? For instance, you said this:
“Have you understood that you are to just preach truth as the Bible reveals it . The truth of God’s word is powerful enough to accomplish the reason He sends it.”
OK, let’s do as you say:
“When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him”
So, by YOUR STANDARDS of just preaching truth as the bible reveals it, Kim Clement is a false prohet. (Many, many times over I might add)
So, by your very words, it seems that you DON’T want us to just preach bible truth, and we are to ignore what God says in His Word about Kim Clement, right?
Janee,
Are you calling God a liar? My dear girl I would be fearful and trembling if I were you for God’s Word is the TRUTH. It NEVER lies and cannot be changed to suit you.
May you repent to God for wanting to believe and trust in a false prophet than the Lord God Almighty. THE ONE WHO DIED FOR YOU, no less!!
Open your eyes dear girl and read the Bible and come to the TRUTH because JESUS is the TRUTH not this false prophet.
Paula, Andypro and Danni, you fit the description of Pharisee to me!!!!
Karen,
Thank you for your response. I give God all the glory for you fit the description of one who is convicted by our posts. PRAISE GOD.
If I get one response like yours I am joyous in the Lord and I thank the LORD JESUS CHRIST because that deceiving spirit in you is not a happy spirit. THE WORD OF GOD CUTS VERY DEEP AND IT CAN BE VERY SHARP BUT WILL BRING HEALING if you will let it Karen.
Paula, Andypro n dannie u all are the 21st century pharasee today.. wots new? u all false prophet!!! Karen keep rising above this devils fools!!!
Here he goes again. This time God will annihilate the forces of religion. Hmm..I wonder who they are.
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A Sound of Triumph
“There is a sound; there is a sound that is coming forth not from religion or manmade doctrines. There is a sound of Christ coming to the earth as it has never come before,” says the Lord.
“There is a sound. It came in the Upper Room because of the sound of Christ, then once again the sound of Christ shall beat down the politicians of Baal. The sound of Christ will beat down the politicians of Baal. And My people shall be baptized with a fire, with a fire, with a fire, with a fire,” says the Lord!
“Once again, there shall be a sound - a sound of triumph; for what is about to come upon the earth shall annihilate the forces of religion that have dictated how My people shall live. I’m raising up Daniels and Davids, Ruths and Esthers,” says the Lord.
These forces/religion are us, the ones that stand and fight against this new move into the supernatural. We are the ones who believe in what the bible has to say 100% - they will want to eradicate us for we stand in the way of God’s move.
I had a nice scathing email the other day from a woman who told me I was rediculous in thinking that this new move of God would promote the ‘removal’ of those who refused to go along with it. Then at the end of her email she said, ‘may God remove such people as you’. Well….need I say anymore. These people are so deceived that they can’t even think straight.