Todd Bentley caught on camera being fraudulent at Lakeland! He lies and lets other lie to millions – why?
From a longer account of a May 9th meeeting at Lakeland Airport here
“Anyway, now we come to the healing testimonies from the meeting…..Many folk came on stage and were evidently still sick and crippled. You could see humps in their backs and obvious pain when walking etc. Yet they testified to being healed despite this glaring contradiction.
One man came on stage and claimed to be healed out of a wheelchair and said he had not been out of it for years. The crowd went wild. Wow. Impressive. The only thing is earlier as the camera panned the crowd, I had seen this same man standing – not realising he’d be one of the testifiers, I remembered him as he had a slightly ‘funny’ face.
One young lady who regularly cut herself claimed that she’d been healed and delivered (I think she said through the TV or internet a few days before). She was there with her dad. She claimed not only had she been instantly delivered of her demon/s (without repentence), but also her scars had miraculously gone. Wow! Quite a testimony. Todd was interviewing her and saying how great, doing his usual head shaking from side to side thing when hearing it. But then I could see clearly four horizonatal cut marks still on her arm. Even on the TV I could see it, so Todd would have seen them too even clearer as he was right there. Yet she said they had gone. And Todd kept on saying how amazing, how wonderful, even though he knew this was not true and was looking at them! He even turned around to the audience and talked on it for a little while how good it was the scars were gone. Todd often does classic liar’s body language when lying – he opens his arms out wide and does some over the top mannerisms - and so in this case, and his voice even went up at the end of the sentence (like liars’ do). A school psychology class could have a field day spotting him lying. TODD IS A LIAR AND ALLOWED LIES TO BE SPOKEN. He knew it. He allowed it. It is disgraceful. He was caught on camera. And his staff had filtered this girl through and must have seen it too. Oh, the deceit! This man and some of his staff does not fear either God or man.
Then a man came up with Parkinsons disease who claimed to be healed, and his wife said the shaking had stopped and he did a bit of walking and bending - the usual show. Yet the camera clearly showed the man’s arm and hand shaking in the ‘classic’ undeniable Parkinson’s fashion, and you can bet Todd and his staff saw it too, yet still Todd said how awesome, how amazing to be healed of Parkinsons in his over the top fashion – just the same as the girl with the cuts on her arm. Both were not healed – clearly. “
It should also be noted that when people with metal rods bend over, it is no medical miracle as Todd claims – most with metal rods can do this anyway! Likewise when people get out of wheelchairs, it is not necessarily a miracle - many are able to do this anyway for various periods of time, whether to go to the loo, or for even longer periods. My elderly mother, for example, drives around with a wheelchair in the boot of her car, for use as and when she needs it. She takes it for when she needs to wait long periods and would otherwise need to stand, or when she takes a ‘turn’. Some people do a double take when she comes back to her car, arises from her wheelchair, and picks it up and flings it into her boot! This is no miracle, as in the case of many wheelchair users who come up on stage. Someone previously remarked on this blog how ministers who well use this knowledge to hype the crowd who go wild when they see a wheelchair user walking. It ain’t necessarily a miracle, any more than my old mum walking on stage!
Update: Charisma Magazine, 22nd May reported -
One of the cases involves a 3-year-old girl, dead for two days, who allegedly woke up and coughed as she was being wheeled into a room to have her organs harvested. The hospital denied the report.
Update 27th May from Cheryl
I just read the saddest testimony on Strom’s website http://www.revivalschool.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=9609&start=390. A Pastor Larry Reed from Washington State had terminal bone cancer. He went to Lakeland last week, and Mr. Bentley “Bammed” him. He struggled out of his wheelchair and cheered with the crowd as Mr. Bentley proclaimed him healed. He died yesterday.
“…a dear friend of mine who passed away this morning at 5:20 AM. His name is Pastor Larry Reed, Pastor of Olympic View Assembly of God in Silverdale, Washington. Pastor Larry has been suffering for the past 18 months of terminal bone cancer. He was given only a year to live, but PRAISE THE LORD out lived the doctors findings. He (Pastor Larry) told me last year at breakfast one morning that he wanted more for Jesus and was going to do whatever it took to accomplish that. He invited speakers from all over the country from evangelists to prophetic speakers so that he and his congregation could catch the fire and maybe just maybe a revival would break out in his church.
He really took a turn for the worst this year, and lost most of his weight, he looked like a skeleton, was on oxygen and needed care all of the time. He couldn’t even preach anymore. Pastor Larry was a man who dearly loved Jesus, and was very strong in his faith and very strong in stature physically. So to see him him so frail was shocking to say the least.
Last week on 5/18/08 he was in the sanctuary there in Lakeland trying to find the healing he soo much wanted, sitting in his wheel chair in front of Mr. Bentley, he was deemed as “healed” when Pastor Larry stood up and cheered in victory. During the course of last week when he returned, he got worse and so this morning he died.
Now I have to say with all my heart that I believe without a shadow of doubt, that this so called “revival” is fake! I wont question my friend’s faith because his ministry was filled with faith. But if this was truly a move of God and all these people were getting healed, then why did my friend die?
I truly believe with all of my heart that God in His infinite mercy and love for his child Larry Reed took him home this morning to end his suffering and that he is face to face with Jesus right now. But what about all the others who have been duped into going along with this mess and is finding out that they right back where they started? I tell you if I could I would knock some people’s lights out, of course that wouldn’t be right, but thats how I feel.
I hope that all of you who stand up for this guy Bentley, will “wake up, arise from the dead and allow Christ to shine in you”, the days are evil family, the light of day is growing shorter and shorter, and we’re wasting our time hunting down the anointing looking for the next wave of revivals. People are dying about a hundred thousand a minute. Instead of seeking the anointing for yourself why not run out to your street corner and begin to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and take on the heart of Spurgeon when he said that if people want to go to Hell, the they will have to jump over his body to enter those gates!”
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I am not denying that Jesus Christ heals – I have been healed myself. But this is not this article is about. The article is about lies – obvious lies – people saying they were healed when they were not and Todd Bentley not only letting them lie to potentially millions, but also lying by testifying they were healed when they were not and he could see this even clearer than me. That is charlatanism.
The interesting thing is that Todd Bentley and other charlatans capitalize upon the existence of the supernatural as a way to verify what they preach is of God.
Every pagan culture believes in the supernatural. The problem with Bentley is that he does not preach Jesus Christ. He preaches supernatural events that he tries to say are Jesus Christ without backing it up with the Word made Flesh.
I read the 1965 prophecy and it struck a chord in me. God is pouring out His Spirit in Lakeland despite Todd B. I’m an intercessor. I just got through praying 15 hours in tongues, over 2 days or so. One day for 7 hours. Usually I get burdens from God and it takes a number of days to pray them out.
Today I just prayed in tongues a bit and God gave me the interpretation. Don’t know why He said it like this but He did:
Todd Bentley’s website is rubbish.
I know these were the Lord’s words to me. I post it here with a clear conscience. I have a warning in my heart about this guy and I love revival and the Toronto blessing, the real move there anyway.
What does the Lord think of Todd’s website, full of oil, gold dust, simony, diamond dust, Emma, whatever:
He thinks it’s rubbish.
God isn’t deceived and knows what He’s doing. He allows things to happen because we do. In the end Todd will repent or fall, it’s up to him to judge himself or be judged.
Preaching heresy is a criminal act in the spirit realm. It’s treachery.
Just got through singing in tongues and got the same interpretation.
“Todd Bentley’s website is rubbish. It’s gonna burn.”
I’ve been saved over two decades and know the Word. I’ve been an intercessor (hidden and will remain that way) for all those years, sometimes praying for hours on end until God releases me.
As I was praying I also felt a confidence that Jesus was in control of this mess and will deal with it with the masterful expertise He alone has.
Todd Bentley is not discipled in the Word and alot of what he says is false. He’s pompous and deceived. He needs to repent or judgement will come, just as it came to Jezebel.
While God may be using him it’s despite him.
William Branham would probably be upset too that he’s being used in such a ridiculous fashion.
Why are we resurrecting dead evangelists anyway?
Before you judge Todd, you should go down to Lakeland yourself and watch what is going on…
Many are totally blinded. One so-called deliverance minister, at first, came out against this demonic revival. Then when his pastor came back saying he got healed, the deliverance minister testified that he had been watching it on TV and believes it is of God.
I am one of the ministers that is trying to get this evil, demon possessed man uncovered. Mainly, I’ve received many comments of thanks, however, a few Christians have pronounced curses and death upon me saying that I’m blaspheming the Holy Ghost. I’ve taught in Southeastern Theological Seminary for eight years and I know what Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost is. It is attributing the power of the Holy Ghost to being the power of Devil.
How about this, it could also be attributing the power of the devil to being the power of the Holy Ghost.
When a man receives his anointing from dead men and angels, you cannot blaspheme the Holy Ghost by discerning his powers and reporting it so that those who are bewitched can repent and come out.
Here’s my article on Blaspheming the Holy Ghost. I report, You decide. http://www.scribd.com/doc/3094855/TODD-BENTLEYS-ANOINTING-FROM-THE-DEAD-ANGELS-BLASPHEMY-OF-THE-HOLY-GHOST-
Pat Holliday
Wot is real revival to you? Is revival with people getting saved and healed of the devil? Does the devil give laughter to people? Have you seen a devil revival with healing and people gettings saved? how can the devil be against his own kingdom? how can you say that this todd bentley is a fake? if you can prove it then show us the evedience!! dont flake up wots not true cause you will be accountable to everything you say!!!
By the way i dont know why should you put up topics of endtimes cause it brings fear and intimidation to people.. Jesus said don’t wori about tommorow..i mean only the father knows when he is coming back and that means until his glory covers the earth isaiah 60.. Why should we see the devils glory covers the earth by trying to go to heaven quick cause its endtimes!!!! If endtimes comes amen why not.. i am not too worried abot it cause i know where i am goin.. rite now i just wana see the glory of Jesus reigns in all the earth as more people getting saved and healing and people raised from the dead.. why not aye!!!
Just show us the evidences of wot is the lies of where you claiming its coming from todd? So us the evidences.. you cant just say hes a liar until you see it and you show us some prove abot it.. I dont believe you in this and you have some serious bitterness you should repent from…
Before anyone tries to promote the enemy’s strategy of bringing unbelief and confusion among other, why not position ourselves as Gamaliel did in Acts 5:34-41? But whatever God does and uses whoever He wants to use in His timing, there will always be hard-hearted people (many who say that they are believes and love God) who will try to find ways to promote negative messages about something, not realizing that they are being the enemy’s instrument of bringing confusion to this hour. This is God work in Lakeland, not man. Wake up!
There have been people who experienced the power of God and knew they had, or were receiving a healing miracle…to testify is the right thing to do…will people lie to discredit the revival and what GOD is doing? Of course…even Todd said that..it has happened in every revival God initiated..what you call odvious lies, to another is a step of faith…
Thanks for the link to the Atlanta shceduled meetings…I had been looking for this information for weeks…
More on Bentley at http://www.battle4truth.com
I’m currently listening to a morning sermon today, Monday, and I believe that one of the Straders is speaking. They’re very well aware that they’ve got critics. The guy made a remark about “I’m going to report you to Springfield!” Then there was a boastful statement about how this revival is bigger than other revivals you’ve heard of (e.g., Toronto, Brownsville). And it just goes on and on. Now he’s mentioned A.A. Allen and William Branham…
“So Just Get Over It.”
I’m thinking this particular sermon is gonna be a goldmine of quotes for anyone that’s interested.
Now I’m listening to whatever Strader talk about how he needs money to do what they’re doing. He has just admitted that their bills are paid up, but now they’re “sowing into the future.” He’s basically saying that they can’t do what they do without money. This whole spiel would be wonderful to transcribe and post.
I’m thinking about what Peter said to the cripple at the gate Beautiful: “Silver and gold have I none: but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.” Has Mr. Strader forgotten that?
Oh yeah, and a sekrit website has just been set up for networking, only to be disclosed to those who come to the website or the broadcast: http://floridaoutpouring.ning.com .
It’s not a sekrit anymore, Mr. Strader.
Francine – yes people lie, sure they do. The point is Todd allowed them to lie unrebuked, his staff passed the people onto stage when they could see they were not really healed, and Todd after letting them lie, blatantly lied himself.
theonconformer: I’ve Been doing some research on the healing, that some of these movements are claiming. Although I haven’t been doing it very long, I have heard from very reliable real spirit filled pastors and churches, what there explanation is on some of these so-called healings.
Now I don’t doubt healing, and even if from false revivals. It is by your faith for one, that makes one whole. When Jesus healed he said your faith has made you whole. The holy spirit works by the intent of the heart of the individual, if he’s in the right place, and I don’t doubt that some may be in the right place.
But this isn’t always the case for some people, some people do have their faith in other things besides Jesus, and satan has the power to preform miracles, he’s the one that inflicts to begin with, since in that we do live in a fallen world. And ironic enough, Todd is telling people God told him not to teach so much on Jesus anymore, but to teach on angels, and the supernatural. So given that, by what act of power are people receiving healings then, considering Jesus is on the back burner now?
When Moses was sent to set Gods people free, the miracles he did where copied by Pharaohs men, but there were two spirits operating here, so satan does have the power to preform these things.
Jesus said if I be lifted up then I will draw all men unto myself. Well, since Todd no longer feels the need to uplift Jesus now, then what is taking Jesus place there, to preform the miracles? You can’t see what’s happening here?
With out Jesus, being the sole movement, to preform miracles, then satan is preforming them, after all he’s the one who inflicts the problem. The bible says that satan is the god of this world, so it is indeed his works of him to conflict.
Is this satan casting out satan? No on the contrary, it is satan lifting up satan, by means of the name of religion, and it is just that, religion, if Jesus isn’t in it!!
It would be the same thing as a mechanic purposely doing something to your car that you didn’t know about, and fix it making him look good. So, now that he has convinced you he can fix cars, what do you do? Come back the next time you have problems, and in fact you also tell others about him So this is giving credit to him, and taking credit away from the honest mechanic, down the road, and you don’t even know it. This is why it is so important to TEST and WEIGH the spirits, the bible says that not every spirit is from him. If not every spirit is from God then by all logical God given common since tells me that there are indeed other spirits at operation in this world besides God, that can preform miracles.
And since Todd sees little need for Jesus now, you’d be crazy to believe ANYTHING that man has to say, that is totally contrary on what the bible teaches, and as I said, JESUS said if I be lifted up, NOT if angels and supernatural be lifted up!!!! WAKE UP man smell the roses dude, your being DUPPED!!!!
I have watched on TV several times to see if people are being healed. Did not have an attitude of judgement but willingness to admitt a revival is on (wanted to proclaim its on). Its not on, its so unrigtheous I can’t beleive people are standing up for Todd Bently. It breaks my heart I can barely compose myself I weep for the deceived. The terrible and most horrible part of this event is it is a given learning experience for what coming. Those who are deceived are turning on the body of Christ. Those who will be decedived by the real antichrist will turn on the body of Christ. Repent if you are deffending Todd Bently and attacking the beloved of God. Learn now before its too late. The true most awsome miracle ever is that you can be saved, SAVED! SALVATION!!! BELOVED REPENT!
HI AND BLESS YOU ALL IN THE LORD. THE LORD USED PROPHETS TO BRING THE WORD OF THE LORD.I AM A PROPHET OF THE LORD, I DO NOT PROPHESY OVER ALL PEAPLE ANYTIME I WANT .JESUS DID ONLY WHAT THE FATHER DID AND SPOKE ONLY WHAT THE FATHER TOLD HIM. TODD BENTLY IS A MAN OF GOD BEING MOVED BY THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD. HE IS NOT PERFECT, WE ARE TO TAKE WHAT IS GIVEN TAKE IT TO THE LORD DECERN IT,ASK THE HOLY SPIRIT,HE IS OUR COMFORTOR AND KNOWS ALL THINGS. THROW OUT WHAT IS NOT CORRECT AND KEEP WHAT IS .IF CORRECTION IS NEEDED IN ANY AREA THAT TODD IS PREACHING GOD WILL DO IT HIM SELF.,GOD IS CALLING ALL OF HIS CHILDREN AND THOSE COMING INTO GODS KINGDOM FOR A CLOSE INTIMATE RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM, TO GIVE YOUR SELF TOTALY TO THE LORD.AS FOR ANGELS THE LORD USED ANGELS TO BRING IN WAVES OF HIS GLORY DEPOSIT GIFTS TO HIS KIDS WORN OF IMPENDING DANGER .AS FOR GLORY DUST, IT HAS SHOWN UP ON ME SEVERAL TIMES. I HAVE NOT ASKED FOR IT.I MINISTERED ,PER THE LORDS REQUEST AT T.B.N. IN FEDERAL WAY IT SHOWED UPWHILE I WAS DOING GODS WILL NOT MY OWN. YESTDAY AT A BABY SHOWER, RIDING HORSE BACK WITH MY DAUGHTER .THE LORD LOVES TO BLESS HIS KIDS ,PLEASE DONT PUT HIM IN A BOX AND MISS WHAT HE IS DOING ON THE EARTH,
Profecy ???
If you feel fear or are ‘intimidated’ then that is your reaction that you need to deal with and you need to change your focus so you do not feel such fear or intimidation. It does not make my words untrue or unneccesary because of your ungodly reaction to them! You need to be prepared and be heavenly minded enough to know how to respond to what is coming, to have real biblical faith and hope and the love of God that casts out all fear – because one day this will be more than talk, it will be reality, worse even than imagined – and if your heart is fainting now, how it will be in those days? Will you be able to stand?
We look forward to the return of Jesus Christ and that is our primary focus BUT we must be aware what must come first – did not even Jesus warn about the one who was to come before him and the false Messiahs and prophets?
And you quote Daniel out of context, as his words have been available to many for hundreds of years and he was not silent about them or his warnings. And I believe these are the days when the fuller understanding as to his words is being ‘unsealed’ as we are at the time of the end – or very near it.
Thenonconformer:
But what about all the rebukes the apostles did to false teachers and false prophets? Were they speaking for the devil too when they spoke correction? You also need to understand what the accuser of the brethren actually means (pp Job) and how is he fallen now because of Christ! The accuser of the brethren is not speaking about the watchmen warning about the wolves in the church.
It is interesting how people assume I speak presumptiously, without thought, consideration, love or care, or without God’s leading – all becase I speak against this thing and this man who they have not properly weighed up. God has spoke to me for several YEARS about Todd Bentley’s movement and the spirits behind it so this is hardly ’sudden’ or rash! And scripture has spoken for years too on more general points by which I base my discernment, and by which we can judge Bentley to be a false prophet.
And also what about all the ones who speak preumptiously for this? What of them, who jump in without testing the heat? It is one rule for them, and another rule for those who speak against this, evidently, which is sheer hypocrisy!
nonconformer:
CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT:
Jesus wasn’t speaking out against judging, He was speaking out against HYPOCRITICAL judging. (This is a favorite scripture twisting of the enemy that’s been around for centuries)
If those critical of Bentley were doing the exact same thing that he was doing, then they’d be guilty according to Matthew 7.
Read the text in context. Why did you stop at verse 6? Jesus didn’t say all He had to say on the subject by verse 6, as a matter of fact, just go a few verses later on to Matthew 7:15-23, where Jesus tells us to beware of false prophets, how to identify them, how they use ‘Christian language’ to appear godly, and their fate.
You can’t tell the people here to stop doing exactly what Jesus says to do in Matthew 7:15-23, by misinterpreting Matthew 7:3-6.
To – Stephen #20
Hiya Stephen,
I agree with you.
I perceive a great anguish is going to come upon those in the Body of Christ who truly love Him and His Holy Word and WORSE it will come from our very own “brothers and sisters” who are defending man and their false teachings, etc. instead of the ONE WHO DIE FOR THEM – THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Open your eyes blind sheep – the devil is deceiving you!!!
If a man can stand up and carry His Bible around for 45 minutes and never refer to it – THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thenonconformer:, Although you may think my comment to you was one sided, it was not, as I did make a comparison by your previous comment. So how could have that been a one sided comment? And did I bash you or even Todd? Bashing someone is making accusations against them falsely, which I did NOT do. I have simply took the very words of Todd and showed you that it isn’t in the right spirit.
What ever Todd does or don’t do on his spare time, or whatever sin he has in his life, is his, and between him and God. And I did not bash him over that, nor did I bash you. I pointed out the errors in his doctrine, what he says and believes, and the bible which WE are supposed to believe in, Todd contradicts in his teachings.
I’m sorry you think that is bashing, you have a misconception on what bashing is then, is all I can say. And one more note here, and something we must all take in consideration, when defining by what spirit one comes in by. And that is, satan is more in our churches than he is anywhere. Why wouldn’t he be? After all he is out to confuse and destroy the believers. So shall we just sit by and say, well I guess it’s OK, they did say they believed in Jesus and is saved, so they must be of God. If we did that, then it’s no telling what would happen and how far man would stray from the truth, and I’m not going to let your opinion of me intimidate. Satan is out to kill steal and destroy, and if he can twist the truth, then no one will ultimately believe in Jesus.
Just like in battle fields, the worst think you can do is under estimate the enemy. What are we supposed to do? Put on the WHOLE ARMOR of GOD, because your adversary the devil is like a loin seeking to whom he may devour. So it would be foolish to take for granted that people are who they say they are, and THE ONLY way you can know that is by the WORDS of the bible..right? If their off into things the bible does not teach, then I don’t give a hoot what miracles they perform, they are in error.
If a thief came to your house and had you convinced he wasn’t a thief, and you found out later he was, would you not warn your loved ones in your neighborhood? Satan is a thief, and so by Gods words I know this, thus I have the duty to tell you. Would you be bashing a thief by telling others about him?
Also, it’s good to note another form of military stategy is to wound the opposing side instead of killing.
If you wound the opposing side then the other fighters are caught up carrying their wounded back to base and there are less to fight the actual battle.
I believe satan is doing a great job of wounding believers with false doctrines and beliefs and the ones who aren’t wounded or have healed and learned from their wounds are spending more time trying to pull our deceived brothers and sisters back to safety.
Servant – beautifully said. AMEN.
Matthew 12:24
But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, ‘It is only by Beelzebub, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.’
Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, ‘Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Alias,
Please show me one documentation of a demon being cast out of anyone in Lakeland. On the contrary, demons are being imparted/transfered by Bentley into others:
http://www.deceptionbytes.com/DemonicVisitation
The whole foundation of the Lakeland event is built upon false doctrine of Latter Rain/Manifest Sons of God/Joel’s Army and the worship of angels [actually Satan's minions disguised as 'angels of light']. This website has many posts exposing all this stuff and you, among many others who visit here, refuse to look at the facts.
Signs and wonders FOLLOW the preaching of God’s Word. God’s Word is not even preached in Lakeland. It’s all about the “anointing.” There is only one anointing and that is the Holy Spirit indwelling every true believer. Look at 1 John chapter 2.
The Holy Spirit points to Jesus, sin, conviction and repentence. Bentley himself said the ‘Holy Spirit’ told him to preach about angels and not Jesus. That right there proves this spirit is NOT the Holy Spirit.
It may be time for you to read the whole Bible and not just the bits you like — or likely what you were told by those in the pro-Bentley/Toronto/modern prophetic/etc camp.
Brothers & Sisters who are true in the Lord…please stop wasting your time over lakeland,Todd Bentley and all those involved in the so-called revival…anything at all that comes from God will lift up the name of Jesus Christ higher than anything else,and is that happening here? No…are men and spiritual performances being lifted up?Yes…question.how many false prophesies does it take for someone to be a false prophet?how many fake healings does it take for someone to be a fraud?how many lies does one tell people in order to be consider a liar…get your eyes on Christ he is the truth…stop chasing men,stop chasing signs,stop chasing anything that looks like a wonder.
I just want to way in on what everyone is saying. With any revival you are going to encounter 3 things: God, the devil, and the flesh. These are going to be present. People are going to act in the flesh at times. We are still in this body and we don’t know how to react to the Spirit of God. I feel that we must be careful though who we criticize. It is God who judges and not us. There is good coming out of Lakeland. People are being changed and healed by the power of God. And Todd is preaching Jesus. God wants his church to work in signs and wonders (i.e. Mark 16:16-17). We should not be so quick to judge and leave that up to God. We can’t discredit everything that takes place just because everything doesn’t add up. We need to be praying and asking God to bring revival to our own hearts. If this revival does nothing else it should show us how much more we need God in our own lives and in the church in America today.
I just want to know one thing..if all these people are being healed and raised from the dead, where are the reports? Yes, I know God can do these things. I’m not doubting that. I just think that if I was going to be on TV preaching that people were being raised from the dead and healed, I would have a follow up team going around interviewing these people. Call me Doubting Thomas but hey..the proof is in the pudding! I have already stopped watching Todd Bentley because of the strange feeling I would get when watching not to mention my child (he’s 4)started telling me he was “seeing” things, shadows, etc.
I am the dad of the young lady you ACCUSE TODD OF LYING ABOUT. SHAME ON YOU!! NOT ONLY HAVE YOU ACCUSED TODD OF LYING, BUT YOU HAVE ACCUSED MY DAUGHTER AND ME OF LYING AS WELL!! FRANKLY, YOU DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS!
THE FACT IS, THE SCARS WERE MUCH MORE PRONOUNCED, AND THEY ARE GETTING LIGHTER AND LIGHTER EACH DAY. THEY ARE TO THE POINT WHERE YOU CANNOT SEE THEM, EVEN UNDER BRIGHT LIGHT, AND KNOWING EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE. THE FACT IS, THEY WERE SO MUCH LIGHTER ON THE NIGHT WE WENT UP ON STAGE, THAT YOU COULD BARELY SEE THEM. I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU THINK YOU SAW ON TELEVISION, BUT THE FACT IS, I HAVE THE ENTIRE THING ON HIGH RESOLUTION VIDEO. THE FACT IS I HAVE REVIEWED THE VIDEO DOZENS OF TIMES TO TRY TO SEE WHAT YOU “THINK” YOU SAW. THE REALITY IS, THERE ARE NO SCARS SHOWING ON THE VIDEO, WHATSOEVER.
OBVIOUSLY, YOU ARE LOOKING SO HARD TO FIND THINGS WRONG WITH THIS REVIVAL, THAT YOU ARE SEEING THINGS THAT ARE NOT THERE! YOUR CREDIBILITY IS GONE!
I can also tell you that it is a FACT that, after years of torment, and rejecting the Lord, my daughter had been seeking the Lord for days, after attending the revival in Lakeland. She DID repent, and ask the Lord to save her (ONCE AGAIN, YOUR PROVE YOUR MOTIVATION WHEN YOU ASSUME THAT SHE DID NOT REPENT, EVEN THOUGH YOU DO NOT KNOW THE FACTS…AS I SAID YOU LACK ALL CREDIBILITY). I can also tell you that it is a FACT that, while watching the revival on God.tv, and intently worshiping the Lord, she let out a scream like I have never heard before. The next thing she said to me was, “Did you say it’s gone…I heard a voice say it is gone.” It was not me that said it, and no one else was around. I SUPPOSE YOU ARE GOING TO TRY AND SAY THAT A DEMON SPOKE TO HER AND TOLD HER THE DEMON WAS GONE! Jesus himself was accused of casting out demons by using Satan’s power. He response shows us that is not possible in Mark 3, 24-25: “How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
She became immediately different, and soon began talking about serving the Lord in full time ministry.
If you are really serious about trying to further the cause of Christ, stop making up lies about things when you don’t have all of the facts. Stop crusading against things you don’t fully understand. I cannot speak to everything that happens at the Lakeland Outpouring. I am sure that some people come forward, thinking they have been healed when they are not. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE SHOULD ASSUME ALL OF THE HEALINGS ARE PHONEY, AND THAT THE WHOLE REVIVAL IS NOT OF GOD. I CAN TELL YOU FROM FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE THAT OUR EXPERIENCE IS REAL, AND IT IS FROM GOD!!! FURTHER, YOU MAY BE A BROTHER IN CHRIST, BUT DON’T YOU EVER ACCUSE ME OR MY DAUGHTER OF LYING. I EXPECT YOU TO PRINT A COMPLETE RETRACTION OF YOUR ACCUSATION AGAINST US, AND AGAINST TODD REGARDING US. IF YOU DO NOT, YOU WILL BE PROVING YOUR TRUE MOTIVATION, AND YOUR COWARDICE.
The Dad:
Ok, send us across this video so others can see this for themselves and we can see who is lying or not. We’ll also be able to see the guy with Parkinsons still clearly shaking and all the rest of the garbage that came out that night from Todd. I clearly saw scars on her arm and I was not even looking for them, as I did not think Todd would let something so blatantly untrue and visible go on stage on camera. Scars ‘gradually vanishing’ is not the same as ’scars all gone and healed’ – is it – and it is hardly such an amazing miracle either as all scars fade over time, particularly in a girl your daughter’s age.
Her testimony on the night was one that lacked repentence – she said she was delivered by watching it on TV/internet and bam!, she was delivered. What you are saying is different to her account on stage…. and I am very glad she did repent, if she did as you say. I did not say the account of her screaming was untrue. I am also very glad that she is free from that cutting torment – but this does not in any way mean Todd Bentley is of God or that she is free from lying ‘another Jesus’ spirits.
If you read the other articles linking to this article on this site, including the original article this came from, I make it clear I generally do not blame the audience for lying who have been used and hyped up and decieved to state what is not the actual truth, or to greatly embellish and exagerate, and even twist the truth, for whatever reason – I only ‘blame’ them for their lack of discernment and folly. Therefore what I write is a reflection on Todd Bentley and his lack of integrity and NOT on your daughter’s lack of integrity for she is but a pawn in his game and has been used and decieved (as have you). I fully understand why she said and acted as she did on stage – I have known many like her. Todd has no excuse, your daughter does – you and her were both deceived. Just like the people in William Branham’s time who swore they saw spots. He was another liar and trickster – see here http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/05/15/todd-bentley-and-william-branham-share-the-same-healing-mantle/
The Dad – be warned what could have been imparted to you is far more demonic in nature than was there in the first place so tread carefully. How can any of this be from God when Todd is a liar, charlatan, false prophet, and false teacher – as are his mentors. How can he have anything good to impart to you when their bad fruit demonstrates exactly what they are – sexually perverted charlatans and false prophets who cannot even heal themselves? if they cannot heal their own, and cannot prophesy truth, how can they impart a true prophetic spirit, or a true healing spirit to you?! If they are only ever led into ever more falsehood, how can they impart the spirit of truth to you as they are not led by such a spirit!?
I have not said that all the healings that are reported in this revival are frauds though Todd is a fraud. You should read the articles on this site on this matter before accusing me of this.
TODD IS A FRAUD AND A LIAR AND IS OF THE DEVIL moved by an antichrist spirit affiliated to an antichrist agenda and movement. I WILL NEVER RETRACT THAT (unless he repents and changes) – Todd is an EVIL AND CORRUPT MAN THAT INTENTIONALLY LIES AND DECIEVES AND EMBELLISHES and leads the flock astray.
If you are such a stalwart for truth, why don’t you check Todd out by more than the alleged signs and wonders – like by the Bible? If you really care for your daughter’s spiritual health (and yours) then do this.
Geetrue:
I did not post your comments live, as there are some things I will not always post such as barbed threats such as ‘God could strike you down for being an out and out deciever’ – for me speaking out about Todd. You apply this to me, so why not apply it to Todd Bentley for he is a LIAR, a brazen liar at that? Shall God strike Todd down for being an out and out deciever – which is exactly what he is? Remember there is a mound of evidence that testifies against Todd as being a false prophet, false teacher, and liar, not just the few things in the article above.
i have been watching Todd Bentley’s revival in Florida via YouTube and GodTv very intentley.. having never seen or heard of him before, I initially was shocked!!! however, I was judging by human standards.. after much consistent research, reading all the gossip and hear-say blogs and forums, the false prophet accusations etc.. and checking with scripture whether the outpouring is the Holy Spirit. “in my opinion” so far, I am saying YES it is of God, the True Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit… and the more i study with an open mind and learn about what Todd Believes in.. the more real GOD is becoming to me.
The KEY to this Revival is that when people focus their faith on Jesus, then the miracles happen!! Todd is only an instrument, human, fallible like us all. The beauty of this revival is that Todd has the guts to stand their and proclaim God as healer, deliverer and that their is Salvation in Jesus Christ only. So many critics out there with no salvation!! Sadly, when critcs focus on Tood rather than Jesus they are on dangerous ground.
Today i listened to Todd Bentley preaching on ” THE SECRET PLACE OF HIS POWER” posted Jan2008. and I think the entire message is correct and true.. no normal Christian has the attitude and approach and thirst for God and Truth as Todd Bentley has expressed in this message. If you have not heard it I challenge you
http://www.freshfire.ca/media_centre/mediaPlayer.html
I realise that there are some things that Todd says and does are NOT scriptural, however, he may not be aware of them, and this should not discourage us from seeking the truth, my motto is “keep the good & discard the evil” .. Todd is a man and has the same temptations and lack of knowledge and error mixed with truths in his life as we ALL do {if any man says he has no sin he is a liar} Yes I know the Blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin etc.. and we are saved by Grace alone (sorry not here to preach, so will get back to the topic) I do think God has sent Todd with 1 main purpose and that is to start revival and minister in miracles and healings to bring us Christians back to walking with God.. I personally wouldn’t be to concerned with everything that Todd teaches.. as long as he is acknowledging his power is from Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and God the Father there can be no deception. It is the anti-christ spirit which denies Jesus Christ as Lord and I have not heard Todd deny Jesus – he gives all the glory to Him. It is not our choice on how God uses men to give Him Glory. He can make an animal speak or the stones themselves and that is scriptural. In my opinion using Todd is God’s blessing because many young people would never go near any Pentecostal or Baptist church and proof is thousands are being saved!! they are turning to Jesus and reading His Word, if this was of the devil then he is fighting for the wrong camp – remember Jesus was accused of using demonic power and at the end was crucified.. the same is true today.. they want to crucify Todd.. I say crucify the falseness and keep the truth, it’s not about Todd, but about salvation and healing from God in Jesus Christ and the power of His Holy Spirit – you can reject Todd and his teachings but do not reject God – there is salvation in NO other name except Jesus Christ [now, I am preaching!@!] J and from what I have seen and heard there is much truth in this revival – don’t discard it, be careful and test the spirits, pray about everything and seek God yourself.
God’s will is repentance, but how can one repent if one does not first come to Jesus. Sinners came to Jesus. Jesus always healed first, cast out the demon then told them to sin no more. Salvation is ALL God’s Grace from beginning (calling) to end (receiving Jesus as Lord & Saviour). I am still listening to Todds preaching and am astounded in the depth that God has taken him… so far so good!!.. if someone has never experienced visions, revelations, prophesies, dreamt dreams and felt the presence of God in their lives then they should not judge what Todd is on about, lest they be found to be Judging God Himself – “whoever judges God’s servant judges Him who sent him”.
I would advise great caution in what is said about Todd. God uses anyone or anything He wants. Man looks on the outside and God looks on the heart. His thoughts are not our thoughts.
I challenge anyone reading this to listen to Todds preaching, it is very scriptural (or am I reading the wrong bible? – ie. King James)
http://www.freshfire.ca/media_centre/mediaPlayer.html
If you don’t have an open mind to listen to Todd preaching, then try Derek Prince Ministries:> He was used by God to deliver power of healings & miracles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Prince
As for Angels, I have never heard Todd saying to worship them (as is forbidden in the Bible), however, to deny seeing them would be fallacy, perhaps Todd should keep his personal visions to himself – as the scripture say “don’t throw your pearls before the swine, lest they be trampled under”. Personally, I am very grateful he shares these deep insights. Praise the name of Jesus for Todd, keep him safe and let your Restoration Power continue to manifest and bring Salvation through Jesus Christ to billions of people!!. Amen.
Marvellous comments : truth and knowledge still stand firm and here was me thinking most would be sucked in by this Todd fellow! Acts 8: 9 comes to mind re: Simon the Sorcerer who thought himself a ‘great man’ People said this is the ‘great power of God’ – I don’t think. He too must have made a lot of money already by sorcery and was well able to offer Peter & John money in order to buy the ability to lay hands on people to receive the Holy Ghost. Should he have succeeded in this mission (an impossibility) you can conjecture what sort of spirits he would have been imparting : rather like Todd?
The simple fact is man, you speak of things you know nothing about. Plain and simple, you’re wrong. Some day you will come to realize this, hopefully it will be before you see the Lord face to face and He asks you why you thought it was your place to be judge, jury, and executioner over the very people He chose to minister. The Lord is doing things the way He has always done them: outside of the camp. Outside of the way we expect Him to move. That makes many, including yourself, uncomfortable. Those of us who have experienced this move of God first hand know beyond knowing that it is indeed real, and that it is the beginning of things to come that will blow your mind.
I used to be like you: Several months ago, I was convinced that anyone who didn’t think exactly the same way that I did doctrinally was a heretic, and on their way to hell. I used to believe that the gifts of the Spirit had ceased, and that guys like Todd Bentley were charlatans. I thank the Lord that on October 27th, 2006, He baptized me with His Holy Spirit and my whole world began turning upside down. The Lord began to do things in my life, and show me things in scripture that I had never imagined before. Not only in my life, but in my wife and my brother and his fiancee’s lives at the same time. Literally within the same week he baptized us all 4 with His Holy Spirit (even though we are geographically separated) and began doing the same transformation in us all in preparation for ministry. Since then we have seen healings, signs & wonders, deliverances, etc in our own personal lives. Things that we had never dreamed we would see, not just at a conference or revival, but in every day life. I pray that He would do the same for you, and set you free of the same demonic religious spirit that plagues so many in our nation.
I’m the brother of the girl with the scars, and again I say, you are speaking of things which you know nothing about.
Once again, you accuse me of lying. Once again, it is obvious what your motives are. I don’t know what you saw, but it was not scars. You saw it once, on television or the internet. I was there, in person, and have also watched it a more than a dozen times on the video. Obviously, I must be “blinded” by someone or something, since I cannot seem to see these “supposed scars” that you saw in the second or two that they showed a close up of her arm.
I will not post the video, as I do not want my daughter bantered around on the internet. I do not have the video from the entire night, only our time on stage. As I said, it is high resolution, and that minute or so is over 27mb. I will, however, post the following link to a screen capture from the video. This is from the only close up of her arms that was shown. The scars were on both of her forearms and wrists. As you will see, there are no visable scars. I guess we now clearly do see who is lying.
http://s216.photobucket.com/albums/cc257/digital11_2007/?action=view¤t=Picture3.png
The Dad
The scars are clearly in the video. Others have seen them too – not just me, even those on Todd’s side. I did not accuse YOU of lying intentionally, read again my post, but I did accuse you of being decieved by Todd and of lacking discernment. Posting one screen shot in a favourable light that you cannot see the scars, from a several minutes section of her that also included other shots showing her arms with scars, is not sufficient evidence at all. There is another angle that clearly shows these scars – or do you only have the doctored edited version in your home (just like your bible it seems and your love for spiritual truth)? You also contradict yourself from saying they were there (but hardly noticeable and healing and fading every day) to being gone completely – which is it?
By the way, if you can see my motives so clearly, why can’t you see Todd the Leech Bentley’s motives? One wonders exactly how much money you and others like you have seeded to him and how much truth they have given away in the process?
You ARE accusing me of lying. I am now accusing you of lying! Since you refuse to acknowledge your mistake, even after I show you a photo, YOU HAVE PROVEN YOUR MOTIVATION TO ALL WHO WILL TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS BLOG. I GUESS YOU DON’T HAVE ANYTHING BETTER TO DO. I AM DONE WITH YOU.
To those of you who bother to read this far into the blog, endtimespropheticwords IS LYING to you. There are no scars on the video or on her arm. I think I would know better than him. I was there when it was filmed, and I see her every day. Believe her father, or believe someone who has obvious motivations to prove his point. I have no motivation other than the TRUTH!
The Brother: (if that is what you are)
Why don’t you read some of the rest of this blog before you accuse me of speaking of things I know nothing about. I suggest I have a far better idea of what is really going on than you guys. Do you really know what Todd believes and teaches? Really? And who his mentors are and what they do and teach? How do you justify it if so? How do you justify getting anything good from Todd? How can he have anything good to impart to you when his and their bad fruit demonstrates exactly what they are – sexually perverted charlatans and false prophets who cannot even heal themselves? if they cannot heal their own, and cannot prophesy truth, how can they impart a true prophetic spirit, or a true healing spirit to you?! If they are only ever led into ever more falsehood, how can they impart the spirit of truth to you as they are not led by such a spirit!?
Put aside your experiences and feelings, let’s base this on truth, ok – the Bible – for the heart is decietful above all things.
And you base this on which part of the Bible? You are ignoring all of Todd’s many faults for questionable signs and wonders from an antichrist movement. Do you know what antichrist means by the way?
No, you assume much, yet speak naively. You can test the spirits – if you love God and truth, then test the spirits behind Todd Bentley. I am not uncomfortable because he is ‘different’, I cannot even say I am uncomfortable. But I see the false spirits around this man and his mentors, and hear the false teaching as well as all the many lies, and state what I see and warn. Todd is not a man of God, he is a son of perdition – if he does not repent.
No you don’t. You feel good, see signs, hear religious speak and assume it is God. You have not tested it as the Bible commands because if you did you would not speak as you do now for Todd, you’d be running miles away from Lakeland. The Bible says Todd and this movement is false – why don’t you believe it?
No you did not used to be like me as I am not a cessationist and do not think that others have to think exactly my way either. However Todd is a heretic because of his Latter Rain teachings which is a HERESY, his antichrist teachings on the rapture and glory which is a HERESY, and the list goes on and on about Joel’s Army etc
Ah! But I am baptised in the Spirit and move in the Spiritual Gifts – enough to know this ain’t of God. I base this on the Bible. You can accuse me of being demonic or religious all you like, but I am the one upholding the truth here – you are not. What does that say of the Spriit you are led by? Sensationalism, feel good, and lead into all error? Ah but it feels good. But it is not the spirit of truth. Who cares when it feels good.
What would it take for you to say this movement and this man is not of God? I mean really?
The Dad:
Why would I lie about seeing scars, when this and many other such things done by Todd Bentley are caught on camera and it is so easy to prove or disprove via the whole original video footage which many more people than I have seen and testify to? Why would I lie when there is so much other undeniable evidence in the public domain that testifies against Todd Bentley being false already anyway, so that one more lie of his makes very little difference out of thousands of his lies – why would I risk lying about one single case when I already have more than another documented ammunition? Why would I risk all that for the sake of one camera documented case that someone can say ‘you’re wrong’ by showing the original footage (if I did indeed lie). Don’t you think if I had lied, I’d be well aware of someone being able to disprove it when I say it is caught on camera and would be pretty dumb to do this and discredit myself? I asked you to show the full footage – you have refused, and have not provided the evidence that I lied. Other people have testified to seeing the scars so it is not just me imagining things.
You still did not answer my question as to whether the scars day by day where fading or were gone completely? Do you love truth?
I know you want your daughter to be well and whole, but embellishing things or deceiveing yourself or others does not help. Jesus doesn’t need you to do that for Him but Todd Bentley does.
one lie or deception by Mr.Bentley makes him fake.he MUST repent.
I haven’t been to Lakeland so I don’t really know if it is genuine or not but I will say this to some of you. Be very careful what you say in reference to what is going on, some posts here even claim Todd to be demon possessed. But remember what Jesus said to the pharisees when they accused Him of working under Satan’s power. If this is an act of the Spirit, then what Jesus says might apply to you. Be careful what you say and who you judge. Here’s the verses from Mathew 12.
22Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23All the people were astonished and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebub,[d] the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”
25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29″Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.
30″He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
to Drue…we are talking about the man todd bentley not Christ…”test all spirits’ this is a command for the church.
You should all be ashamed.
Do not judge, discern, in secret please, not that the world can read/feel your division.
Pray for each other, especially for mr. Bentley. We are to LOVE all, even if it does not please you.
Pray “our Father”, as our Lord taught us.
We do not fight against flesh.
Certainly do not fight each other with the Word brothers and sisters, be wise.
God bless all of you and let the light of Gods Love shine in you through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Hi there,
I am very skeptical about Todd Bentley’s ministry, and I came across this site on an honest search for the truth about it. I was seeking evidence beyond the videos that simply show reports of healings. This is mainly because I have several acquaintances that are firmly accepting the revival and supporting it, and I just want to figure out whether this is true or another version of Popoff and his radio transmitter.
Endtimespropheticwords, would it be too much to ask for the link to the actual video in question here? Obviously this would offer more credibility than you simply announcing that scars are still visible, person with Parkinson’s still shaking, etc…and it would be helpful for me to show to my acquaintances if it is indeed the case. Thanks so much. I hope that in all of this, the truth prevails.
Good Morning all,
I have to agree with Comment by chas351 | May 27, 2008
Comment by Pastor P | May 27, 2008
Comment by Krom | May 28, 2008 as well as some of the others. While there are Biblical arguments to both sides, think of how the world views this bickering which has gotten pretty vehement here. I also say, “wait and see”, ask God for discerment and use it, stay in the Word of God, both the Written and the Rhema. Experiences and emotion do not make God’s reality null and void, but we must be careful that we not let what we believe be based SOLELY on experience and emotion.
In praying about this since having begun to read these many posts, what the Lord has conveyed to me is this : If I want God’s manifest Presence, for Him to do new and amazing things here in and with me, my church, the churches in my community, my community and beyond, then I need to seek Him. I cannot slander and gossip about another’s ministry as it will have it’s successes and failures like any other since Christ was on earth and until He returns. I need to remember always to give God the glory and keep none for myself, and to keep a “guard at the doors of my lips” lest I curse myself by slandering someone else.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, everyone is entitled to ask for proof, Thomas did. We are human and can be prone to doubt and unbelief. I have been regularly watching Todd online, and sometimes it’s a little over the top, but I have not heard him say anything un-Biblical when I have watched. And if God is using this outpouring, even with it’s and Todd’s faults to bring others to salvations through Jesus Christ and heal people and destroy the works of our enemy in the lives of people, LET IT. God will deal with Todd’s short-comings, like He will deal with all of us in our respective short comings.
Prayerfully yours,
to Sister Nabi…you need to watch more of Todd…how many times does it take for one to make false prophecies to make them a false prophet?how many times does one have to lie to make them a liar? how many time does one have to deceive to be considered a deceiver?
I’ve read this over and over again. “satan has the power to preform miracles.” Yes he can preform miracles, But healings? What did Jesus say, Mark 3:23 “How can Satan cast out Satan?
Luke 11:18″If Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? For you say that I cast out demons by Beelzebul.
Seeing that satan is responsible for illnesses and infirmities it would be impossible according to Jesus.
Revival and outpourings are messy. The only thing that isn’t messy are people who never grow in the Lord. They stay right where there at instead of moving forward. Right in there neat little religious box. Out of FEAR (satanic tool) that they just might do something wrong.
LadyofFe,
I don’t think anyone here has said anything at all about Bentley exorcising demons; so, your scripture reference does not apply. Now, can satan heal?
Certainly you’ve heard of witch doctors and the like, not to mention reiki, kundalini, etc. Just because one is healed — assuming any genuine healings have actually taken place in Lakeland — does not mean the healing is of God.
Just look at what satan did to Job. He manipulated weather and caused “the fire of God to fall from the sky.” [Job 1:16]. If satan can afflict/curse, can he not undo these same afflictions/curses to further his own agenda; that is, to deceive Christians into thinking the Lakeland event is of God?
His doctrine is far away from orthodox Christianity on many points. Plus the man continues to lie with details of various visions and encounters differing depending on the day. There are at least three different versions of his ‘abduction’ story and his story on the “healing angel” has different accounts. When you catch an individual in any lie it becomes very difficult to know when in fact they may be actually telling the truth.
http://beyondgrace.blogspot.com/2008/05/let-us-reason-apologetics-website-has.html
I’ve read at least two accounts of individuals who went to Lakelan and thought they were healed only to later find that they now have worse symptoms than before.
If satan has afflicted someone with infirmity…he could certainly have that spirit leave for a while.
is satan responsible for all illnesses?is this what your saying ladyof…?if true then we have all come under his power…are you saying satan cannot heal in any manner…please read your bible…what about the signs and wonders the beast will perform in the tribulation to DECEIVE those who dwell on the earth…”and no wonder,for even satan disguises himself as an angel of light” 2corth.11:14..he is a deceiver..people are being deceived and you accuse those who are concerned for fellow brothers and sisters in the Lord that they are not moving forward,if being deceived by a spirit of deception is moving forward then i suggest you get alone with God open your bible,cryout to the Lord in repentance and then ask God to show you the truth because you are missing it sister…in love..JOhn
For me as believers i really believe that Todd is real and he is a Man of God…just watching on Live @God.tv i impart the healing to my grandmother…she has thyroid.. and her thyroid is Gone suddenly…we can feel the holy spirit… and the holy spirit.. we as body of christ live within us.. dont judge about Todd…just look above… and i know God will talk to you then… pray and seek him….juliet from philippines
How awesome and Great God is….instead of commenting…saying a lot of bad words.. why not pray..Lets keep our faith and hope alive in Jesus christ..when we are serving God.the enemy also trying hard to attack us… to those who comment about florida outpouring revival… we love you guys.. i keep praying that God change your heart…Let us not look other people response towards God.. but Let us judge our response towards him…. for our salvation is individual and its all by Faith and grace of God…mabuhay kayo…. God bless you all… Juliet of Davao philippines…
Even the Roman Catholic Church has its exorcisms. And the RCC is a false Christian religion. Do you believe that the same priests or bishops who perform the Mass (which is a pagan ritual where they believe that they are actually changing ordinary bread and wine into the body and blood of Jesus in their act of transubstantiation where they believe that Jesus is once again being sacrificed for our sins), are also able to cast out demons?
Satan is a master at deception. There are only one of two things going on in the RCC and in every false Christian movement, including Toronto, Brownsville, and Lakeland. Either there is really demons being cast out or it is the enemy making one think it is demons being cast out. In either case, it is still all a deception of the enemy in order to keep people deceived and lost within the system. In the RCC for instance, even though it may really be demons, the person is still lost and still bound by religion if they remain Catholic. One cannot justify true Christianity with a false system of salvation. The same holds true in Lakeland. There is such an overemphasis of signs and wonders and angelic visitations, instead of the simple gospel of Jesus Christ. Satan is just keeping them deceived within the system.
2 Thess 2:10-11
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
to Romans 6:6…you hit the nail on the nailhead…very simple and very true…some of those who disagree with me about my views concerning the fake revivals seem to almost be hateful towards me…i love these people..i speak a discerning truth(not judgement-big difference)in order to warn them..it really and truly breaks my heart to see them go after men,signs,wonders the way they do,they say they sense the Holy Spirit but the Holy Spirit tells me to warn those who flock to it..i do not see Christ in all this.i would not touch those places with a 10 foot bible unless the Lord lead there and if he did it would not be to be a part of it but part of the solution…what would it hurt for anyone to stop and check the scriptures and sincerely pray about it..what would that hurt?
Christians STOP being deceived by these people! Here is an excellent mp3 that explains this whole mess!
Copy this link:
http://www.trunews.com/Audio/5_23_08_friday_trunews2.mp3
and paste it into your browser, then hit enter, it will beging playing.
If it doesn’t go here:
http://www.trunews.com/listen_now.htm
1)Scroll down to Friday May 23, 2008
2)below the date you’ll see this info:
Guest: Pat Holliday
Rick invites Pat Holliday back on the program to go into greater length and detail the spirit of end time delusion that has infiltrated the modern day church and it’s followers
http://www.patholliday.com
3)Under “www.patholliday.com” you will see a Blue Play button and a Red Disk. Click the Blue play button to begin playing or Right click on the Red Disk to save the mp3 to your computer, for Firefox Browsers choose “Save Link As”.
What we are seeing today people is GREAT deception in these latter days!
The lost are being saved, the sick are being healed, the oppressed by the devil is being set free and the dead are being raised up. The enemy is all disturbed, trying to deceive and spread accusation all over. If you are a true believer, thirsty for God, you should be rejoicing for what it is happening for the Kingdom of God is being manifested in a special way as His anointing is being spread out to all places. This is the moment for the hungry and thirsty for more of Him. And this fire of God will keep going on as long as people continue thirsty and hungry for Him. Many people may not be desperate for more of God, but others are and they are receiving their miracle. So there is nothing anyone can do to stop this. So wake up!
You say “The lost are being saved, the sick are being healed, the oppressed by the devil is being set free and the dead are being raised up”.
I suggest you wake up, and stop coming here to spread lies about this “revival” sentinelle. Open your eyes and start loving truth! You will see that those things are told TO you, not seen BY you. It’s so sad it makes my stomach hurt.
pray for the Olympic View Assembly of God church who recently lost their senior pastor of 15 years to cancer..the cancer that todd bent-ly declared he healed,we lost our pastor of 22 years to cancer 2 years ago and that was very difficult but to lose your pastor one week after the one so many are admiring and are flocking to declared was healed and yet died in one week…they need prayer.
My husband went down to FL to check this out. He is from Togo (an evangelist/preacher with healings and signs that follow), I had lived there for 2 years (in a very rural community). We both know first hand what over attacks of the enemy can look and feel like, and how they affected us and others. His first hand report of what is going on there boils down to this: He did not first-hand witness someone being healed as a result of Todd praying/annointing someone, but in speaking to one of the staff members, that some days yes many healings, some days not. He said however, that he did know in his spirit that the presence of the Holy Spirit was strong there, and that what touched him the most was that the people who went were fervently seeking after the LORD JESUS CHRIST, not after Todd. People were constantly in prayer and worship and seeking more intimacy with the God that each of us serves. He also said that a lot of what he did see in the way of healing was due to people in the crowd praying in faith for one another in the name of Jesus Christ.
Bear in mind, if I have misspoken or someone misunderstands what I am intending to say, please ask me to clarify. I am not going to judge anyone’s comments here as some may be prone to do. Thank you and God bless each of you, as we are all one body, even as we are different members of the same body, in Christ Jesus.
I love the truth and that it is why I am spreading the good news: The lost are being saved, the sick are being healed, the oppressed by the devil is being set free and the dead are being raised up. “For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.” 1 Jo 3:8b. My sister got healed as well as so many others. How can I deny such facts and keep my mouth shut. I am a witness of what God is doing. Have you been to at least one of the meetings at Lakeland? Do not waste more time and go. It is time to wake up!
i have never been to Baghdad Irag but i know its not a good place to go to….i’ve seen and heard enough false healings,false teaching,false prophecies down there that “I” need to “wake up”…IF what your saying is true then its not happening in the place and through the ones i’ve seen and heard….there is not only one screaming fire here…and i cannnot deny the bareing of witness of the Holy Spirit….and your telling me to drop all and go,don’t waste anymore time…i am fully wide awake.
From http://www.sicm.org/phpBB2/
Todd had another (person on stage) on who couldn’t walk properly and when he told her to walk across the stage it was pretty clear that she was still in the state she was before. No problem for Todd, he said look at her the power of God is so great she can’t walk properly.
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The other day in Florida he said that two people had been after him in the restaurant that morning for him to pray for them. So he asked them to come on the stage to receive the power. About 20 people ran on the platform. They were so desparate to receive the anointing from the man himself that they acted out a deliberate lie. Even Todd himself had to confess that he hadn’t seen them before.
Be careful that you do not quash or belittle someone else’s faith, and cause them to stumble in any way. One person cannot know what is in another’s heart. Arguing to minimize what they know is happening to them or someone close to them through the power of the Holy Spirit and in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ is absolutely wrong. If you don’t want to go to this revival, don’t go. For those desiring to go, seek the Lord first, and be careful not to base your decision solely on emotion. God can and will work with a person wherever they are. If the Holy Spirit is saying to go check it out for whatever reason, then go. Again, ask for discernment of the Lord, and use it.
Maybe instead of posting here so much, myself included, we should spend that time in prayer and fasting and seeking the face of our Lord and his Glory in our lives and those around us.
God bless.
Nabi – you cause someone to stumble when you do not openly warn them of the traps and snares in their path. You do not know what is happening – you think you know, you assume because of unbiblical notions. If you really knew what this was you would be screaming blue murder!
satan is not only busy in lakeland but am listening to Dr.Scott A.Johnson on the deception being spewed by oprah.i could not stand to listen to her talking to eckhart tolle on u-tube tape of her. have included address to this message
http://www.sermonaudaiao.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=42108140212
Sister Nabi,
You said:
“If you don’t want to go to this revival, don’t go. For those desiring to go, seek the Lord first, and be careful not to base your decision solely on emotion. God can and will work with a person wherever they are. If the Holy Spirit is saying to go check it out for whatever reason, then go. Again, ask for discernment of the Lord, and use it.”
If you seek the Lord, IN HIS WORD, you will find that He has ALREADY told us that these men are false prophets. What do you mean, “if the Holy Spirit is saying to go check it out”? Who wrote the bible? Was it not the Holy Spirit? And it in, He tells us that these men are false prophets, and we are to have nothing to do with them.
So, if that Holy Spirit is telling us to stay away, then the spirit that is telling others to go must be ANOTHER SPIRIT. Why would the Holy Spirit, all throughout scripture, warn us about experiences like this, and men like these, and how to test them, and then all of a sudden change His mind and tell us to go down there to ‘get some’.
Allow me to use a trick from the Bentley-ite playbook:
Since the Holy Spirit has revealed that Bentley, Jones, etc. etc., are false prophets and that we are to have nothing to do with them; YOU GUYS need to be very careful not to speak against the Holy Spirit by encouraging others to do EXACTLY what they Holy Spirit says not to.
Wouldn’t you call that discernment?
I don’t want this to be spamming by me, but I know some read only some of the posts, and may have missed this:
Read 2COR. 11:3-4 for important info on this subject. There, Paul is writing to people he knew were already saved. He is warning them about receiving another spirit, brought to them by a false prophet. (This spirit, in addition to the One they received from Jesus.)
Those who feel safe from deception because they are Christians should take note of this warning….DavWms
Again, I’m asking – could you please post the video evidence that you are talking about in this article (about Parkinson’s, scars, etc.)? I don’t always take people’s word for things, especially when they are accusing someone else. And especially when there is supposed video footage of the event. Whenever possible, let the evidence speak for itself…
Please post the video or a link to it, or else you’re really not doing much better than Bentley himself (showing testimonies of healings without showing the healings themselves). Thanks.
Jeff H: you can research this for yourself online. In the meantime, if I find the video online, I will post the link.
ps
But remember you could watch this any night yourself and see the same things happening.
Have you spent 3 days and nights in fasting and prayer, no food or water, for healing or seeking God regarding anything in that manner? I have, multiple times, and received what I was searching for. I also spent 2 years in West Africa, in the birthplace of voudou. I did not live in a luxurious westernized home, but lived in a small rural village in the mountains WELL known for sorcery. I had also been attacked spiritually by those practicing said sorcery and should have been dead on 3 separate occasions, but for the grace of God. So do not judge my walk with the Lord, or anyone else posting here, without getting to know each of us better, for surely you will speak of things of which you do not know.
I believe there are false prophets and false “men of God” out there spreading lies and deceit, but we most certainly will know them by their fruit. We cannot also judge someone else’s healing, whether the evidence of it is immediate or progressive. While in Togo, I believe that God wanted me to go to a woman and pray for her that she be healed of her blindness. I fasted and prayed, and then went and prayed for her. I did not see her get healed and was devastated and wondered if it was really God speaking to me. To this day, I still do not know if she were truly healed or not, but God has confirmed to me that the results are up to Him, I have to listen and obey. There is the Rhema and the Scriptures. The Rhema will not contradict the Holy Scriptures, but you cannot say what the Holy Spirit speaks to me, or anyone else here unless I tell you, or God confirms something to both of us, but it still must be spoken by one of us.
I still believe that God is using and will use Todd Bentley to proclaim healing and freedom to others, even with his faults and mistakes. Because from what I have seen and heard from those who have gone (people I know), people are seeking God and His favor, not Todd. And in the Bible are many accounts also of people seeking out those annointed of God for such works, to receive from the Prophets and Apostles and Disciples. Todd will be judged by the fruit produced.
Blessings
Sister Nabi, well spoken and I agree. Let’s just do what Jesus told us to do – check “their fruits”. There are many coming from all over the world with an open heart, thirsty for God and recognizing that He is the author of what started in Lakeland and it is spreading all over. These people will not miss this opportunity that He is giving us to be touched by Him in a special way. Others will not enter and will not enjoy His presence and glory due to their unbelief. It is time to wake up!
sentinelle and Sister Nabi,
Don’t you see through all the stuff on this site and others the following is true:
Todd’s false teaching, bringing ‘another gospel’, his unbiblical ‘angelic encounters’, and his biblically FORBIDDEN speaking with the dead ARE HIS FRUITS!!
We are doing exactly what Jesus and you guys suggest that we do: check his fruit.
Let me put it this way, if you take away his false teaching, his teaching on angels, his speaking to the dead (Again, EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN in scriptures); and he came, looking and acting exactly like he does but preaching the truth of the gospel – then I’d be much less likely to say anything against him.
For me, I don’t care what anyone looks like, I don’t care (much) about their method, or even their pre-conversion past. What I care about is this: Does what Todd Bentley teach match up with scripture?
Why don’t we have a discussion on the truth or falseness of Todd Bentley’s teaching.
Andy,
Rejoice! Thousands are being saved, healed and set free all over the world by the power and love of God. What is there to discuss? The fruits of lives being restored to God is so important and precious to Him. Can’t you see? This is not a work of men or of the devil. On contrary, the enemy is doing everything he can do to destroy what God is doing. There has never been in the history of men an outreach like this of the good news of Jesus Christ through media (Internet and tv). Millions around the world are watching through media and their faith is being raised up, not to see a man, but to receive a touch of God. In addition, so many all over are praying in agreement that more people be saved, healed, set free and raise from the dead. So take your eyes out of men and set your eyes in Jesus, the author of our faith.
a fewlinks that will help shed some light on this mess
http://discerningtheworld.wordpress.com/2008/06/01/leaving-lakeland-a-firsthand-account/
http://discerningtheworld.wordpress.com/2008/06/01/about-todd-bentley-a-comment-to-steve-strang/#more-118
Why is it that these people don’t want to talk about Todd Bentley’s teaching? Could it be that when you do, you’ll find out that it’s his teaching specifically that marks him as false?
And sentinelle, if he’s a false teacher, then how can he bear good fruit? How? Jesus specifically said he can’t, therefore, NONE of the fruit that you point to (outward initial manifestations – see the parable of the soils) is good fruit.
Please discuss Todd Bentley’s teachings in light of scripture. Or else please continue to try and prove that a bad tree can produce good fruit.
Sentinelle,
You lie like a bug in a rug! read this sad account.
kimolsen.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/leaving-lakeland
You and sisternabi should be ashamed of yourselves. You do not love the truth or you would see through that faker Todd Bentley.
I don’t believe one second that these new “converts” have been pointed to the rising Saviour and lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
Sentinelle, I doubt all your claims of savings and healings and fruit and all that, because that is what you are being told. It isn’t what is actually happening, but it is what you are hearing told to you so you believe it cause you love all these false prophets. Now I do believe that the only possible good that will come of this are those few people who pick up their bibles and start to READ. They may just see the difference between what you pass on as the truth and the actual truth that scripture reveals. God help us in these end times.
I think we should leave the things out of the bible that we don’t understand so we will not have confusion like “An Angel of the Lord told Phillip…” Why did God the author of the word put such things in there that He knew would cause diversity in the body. Wait…. maybe it’s because that’s what His original plan was, to actually live out the book of Acts and ALL it’s supernatural activities. When is the last time you met and the place where you met actually shook. Give Todd some space for His pursuing of the things of the Word, or should I say things of the Lord’s Heart! If it detours the Cross of Christ, smash it, if it leads people to the cross go with it!
Jacob Wallace,
It doesn’t lead them to the cross, it leads them to an annointing or impartation…where is that in the message of salvation? You recieve salvation through your acknowledging you’re a sinner in need of a savior and committing yourself to Jesus and his sovereignty over you and your life. Salvation is NOT sent through the airwaves, or hand gestures and dropped on you like it’s being sold in Lakeland. Salvation is your choice and between you and God, not between you and Todd…then throw Jesus’ name in there.
Thank you to most of you for at least being polite in disagreeing and posting your proofs. I will still be researching this to be sure and take your postings to heart. For those who are condemning, like Mary B, who have either not read my previous posts or do not care but still choose to judge others’ walks with the Lord, I forgive you and will not take on offense at your remarks.
Thanks again all and God bless.
By the way, as far as fruit goes, how about chewing on this one…my husband has decided to, after going to the revival, despite previous language barriers, begin evangelizing in our town, speaking to people of Jesus Christ. And I did mention that in his ministry in Togo, healings, deliverances, and signs/wonders followed when he preached as well.
Secondly, another woman in our church went to FL with her son, who had not professed Christ and was an open homosexual, and he came back having accepted Jesus Christ as his savior, made a commitment to leave behind his previous lifestyle, and has been sharing his testimony with others of his friends/family/community.
Who says we are only to look at TODD’S fruit? What about the fruit in the lives of the people being impacted through this revival?
sister nabi,
Todd is a false prophet and heretic. If someone truly can glean ANY truth from going to Lakeland and hearing Todd,then it’s inspite of Todd Bentley and not because of him. I would say save the money and sit and read the Bible. God can speak to these people through it. Sad that the gospel can’t have the same power to convert a person but hot air blowing heretic can.
How can we say that the fruits out of this move of God reaching all over the world are bad fruits? People are being saved, healed and set free. Are these bad fruits? What are you reading or listening? Open your eyes and see. Todd is only an instrument in God’s hand. It is all about Jesus through the Holy Spirit, not men, destroying the works of the devil! I have been to the meetings in Lakeland 6 times already and it is such a joy of seeing His power and love being expressed so strong. Every night people come forth giving their testimony of God’s power in their lives. Are you going to deny these testimonies? It is foolishness. Is this a work of a false prophet or of the devil? Give me a break, read Mat 12:24-30 and wake up. Stop wasting time, get hungry for more of God and make plans to go. The entrance is free! Go with an open heart with your eyes on Jesus and let God touch you with His love. You will never be the same again.
i know that theres many believers that have’nt fallen to this deception its just that we have’nt heard from them or don’t know them but it seems that the world of Christians have fallen for it but thats just part of the deception…it reminds me of where the Lord is asked “who has believed our report,and the Lord answers 7000 have not bowed to baal” if you know what i’m saying.
sentinelle,
You are continually saying that we should go, be changed, that we will ‘never be the same again’, etc.
From your posts and your non-responses to others posts, it seems that the fruit that YOU are bearing from this false revival is a total lack of discernment.
Read all about Bentley, his encounters with the ‘angel of finance’, his false teaching, his association with known false prophets, his bragging about doing what God forbids (speaking to the dead), etc. etc.
When you say that Todd is an instrument in God’s hand, you insult God. His Word specifically marks Bentley as false, yet you ascribe Bentley’s ministry to God. Insulting.
You try to insist that we go and check this out for ourselves, but we see what it’s done to you and others and none of wants that ’spirit’ imparted to us. Your continued lack of discernment, and your never answering anything about Todd’s false teachings shows us exactly what kind of fruit this ‘revival’ is bearing, and it ain’t good.
The true discernment is that people all over the world are being touched by God’s love in a wonderful! If God wants to use people like Todd Bentley and others, who are we to argue with God? Are we going to arguing with God that we know His Word better then Himself by accusing whoever He wants to use? Get over it and wake up! So many people are stepping out in faith, receiving their miracle.
Today we could testify of many healings and we could see people even bringing x-rays as a prove of their miracle. As I have written before, as long as people are thirsty and hungry for Him, what has started in Lakeland will not stop. The fire of God will continue to spread all over the world as long as people are hungry and thirsty for Him.
Thank God for godtv (www.god.tv) as an instrument that has opened doors for so many that can hear and believe that there is a God that saves, heals and set them free. The angels are rejoicing in heaven as more souls are entering into the Kingdom of God. These are great fruits and the Lord rejoices as He finds faith in the earth for thirsty and hungry people seeking after for more of Him. This is not about Todd or any other man, but it is about the Lord Jesus and His Kingdom being manifested in the earth. So once more, get over it and wake up!
Amen Andy!
Janee, Karen, Sentinelle and others: If you will notice, this blogger and supporters have abslolutely nothing kind, nothing praiseworthy, nothing encouraging to say about ANY of the people or ministries, or anything else, they write about. This has spoken volumes to me. You know that you have put your faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, not in man. Today is the last time I will post here, and I suggest that you do the same, as you will only become more discouraged. They think they are doing the right thing, showing people the only right way (and granted some good points are made, like staying in your Bible), but there is so much legalism and “I’m right, everyone else is wrong” attitude. Continue your walk with the Lord, keep praying, keep reading your Bible, keep in fellowship with those who will encourage your walk and keep you accountable to God. But don’t keep visiting this site if you think you will change anyone else’s opinions here.
God bless
Sister Nabi,
I think you are only seeing/hearing what you want to see/hear. I have found the majority of people on this site (on both sides of the debate) to be polite, kind, and for the most part, truly seeking after God. The sites enthusiastically supporting the revival, on the other hand, won’t even ALLOW questions to be raised. Anyone not agreeing with their position is simply banned, and their comments deleted. Your comments have been welcomed and addressed politely.
That is the diference I’ve found between the two sides. The pro-Bentley sites only want their ears tickles, while sites like this one are truly searching for the Truth. Just because someone questions or finds fault with something you say doesn’t mean they are unkind. We feel deeply in our spirit that people are being deceived. I for one, want to be able to stand before my Lord one day and tell Him I did EVERYTHING I could to point others to the TRUE Jesus.
http://www.thedesperate.com/?L=blogs.blog&article=204
Stepehn Strader and Todd Bentley claims the scars were all gone when they were not -
A young lady has been a CUTTER… her dad says… SHE LET OUT A BLOOD CURDLING SCREAM while watching God TV… a demon came out… SHE’S HAPPY NOW!!! ANGER!!! DEPRESSION!!! AND THE SCARS ARE ALL GONE!!! Her dad verifies!!!
I never heard of mingling incense with the fire in the bowls and then throwing them back to earth as a commensement for a healing revival and learning of the death of your friend and minister is sad indeed, I certainly appreciate your loss, but, it`s certainly not biblical truth of the revivals illegitimacy or legitimacy. If a person dies, even if they attended a revival, certainly means it was his time, I don`t believe the answer is always going to be yes. The will of God is the focus here. The truth be known here, don`t place your spirit in the hands of an earthly mechanism or man alone, the only promise is that if we accept Jesus as our savior and we are baptized into the cleansing fire of the Holy Spirit, then we can grow in the Word of God and we will have salvation.
Ooops! I seemed to have gotten` into a bit of a sticky wicket. Please forgive me, like confucious, I`ll just bow out politely, So Soody, please forgive.
This is my last post here since we can go just so far. For those who are thirsty, want a fresh touch of God and are tired of religion and traditions of men, I encourage you to read what sister Nabi, others and I have written regarding the blessings and true fruits of people being saved, healed and set free starting in Lakeland meetings and now spreading all over through the media. If you can not go to Lakeland, go to http://www.god.tv or even watch through TV and be richly blessed. Who are those that are witnesses and have gone even with skeptical position to the meetings in Lakeland and have truly recognized that God’s presence and glory is in that place? This is not a work of men, but of God and it will continue as long as people are coming thirsty for more of Him.
Many of the bloggers all around are from people that do not know and are not willing to experience for themselves what God is doing in our days. They do not like Todd or any person on fire for God. Consequently, many become jealous and angry against radical lovers of God that carry His fire of love in their hearts. In addition, many just want to bring accusations and judgment, not knowing that the new generation that God is raising, does not conform with the religious system of this world that has unfiltered in so many churches of today.
“He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.” Wake up!
“Consequently, many become jealous and angry against radical lovers of God that carry His fire of love in their hearts. In addition, many just want to bring accusations and judgment, not knowing that the new generation that God is raising, does not conform with the religious system of this world that has unfiltered in so many churches of today.”
Oh come on Sentinelle, you are seriously delusional. The word of God does nothing to convict you. Enjoy the fantasy while it lasts.
Consequently, many become jealous and angry against radical lovers of God that carry His fire of love in their hearts. In addition, many just want to bring accusations and judgment, not knowing that the new generation that God is raising, does not conform with the religious system of this world that has unfiltered in so many churches of today.
It’s not jealousy but concern. Where is scriptural backup for assertion about the ‘new generation that God is raising?’ The only thing ‘unfiltered in so many churches of today’ are individuals who adhere to unbiblical, antichrist doctrines and practices that divide the church. This same group of individuals call those of the ‘tradition’ divisive, yet they are the ones who are dividing the body.
Justin Peters said (from http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/06/06/my-visit-to-the-lakeland-revival/)
A number of people who came in in wheelchairs walked up on stage for Todd to pray over them. Todd would ask them their condition, command them to be healed, and then lay hands on them and yell very loudly into the microphone, “BAM!!” Some would then fall back and lowered to the floor by the ready catchers (one person he even head-butted as he “BAMMED” him). He claimed most, if not all, of these folks healed. Well, these individuals could all walk even though they were in wheelchairs. I watched each one as they came back down the stage and from what I could observe every one of them went back to their wheelchair or stayed on their crutches. I honestly did not see anyone dramatically and unquestionably healed. Some of these individuals I followed and was able to get their names and phone numbers. I will follow up with them in a few weeks to see what if any change in their condition has occurred. There were a few empty chairs that all of the sudden appeared on stage but I did not see anyone actually get out of them.
Larry was another man who made it up on stage but he was not in a wheelchair. Larry, a pastor, has throat cancer with a grim prognosis from his physicians. Larry was very, very weak and feeble. When he spoke his voice was weak and raspy. Bentley claimed his healing and Larry agreed with him. Larry was helped off the stage by a young man and they left the auditorium. I caught up with them out in the hall. There was no discernable change in his condition.
the earlier post by sentinelle ..she was talking about the new generation god is raising up…which god are you referring to?
John C.,
The god of the Latter Rain/Joel’s Army/Manifest Sons of God/blah, bl-bl-bl blah, blah, blah (quoting Bentley on that last bit).
what i see from the little i’ve seen(a comparison)on godtv/youtube..it’s something a great bible teacher we had years ago mentioned,about that the wolves that are coming in are barely dressed in sheeps clothing,in other words they are not even concealing themselves very well and yet no one with any authority challenges them or their doctrine..they could not be doing what their doing 20 years ago..i believe.
Endtimespropheticwords,
Couldn’t find my last post, so I am just posting this here. This will be my last post, as I don’t believe this site to be a healthy place for me spiritually. You do need to be very careful, because as much as you think unity is an antichrist idea, it was very important to Jesus. Enough so that he prayed, ‘I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. (How will the world believe?). I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know (How will the word know?) that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.’
With that in mind, I’m sure your motives are very noble. You believe you are saving the church from itself. You may be right on a lot of points. I don’t know. I’m not going to pretend I know. I just do my best to read the word and try to figure out what God wants from me. I can’t speak for every person that comes along claiming to be a prophet (there certainly are a lot of them).
However, what is the purpose of prophecy according to the new testament? Well, scripture tells each one of us to eagerly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that we may prophecy. That is because prophecy is a tool that builds up the body. ‘Everyone who prophesies speaks to men for their strengthening, encouragement, and comfort.’ Funny thing, I don’t see the word correction here. I know a lot of people would say that prophesy here doesn’t really mean the same thing it means elsewhere in the bible, but that just makes no sense. Either prophesy means what it means or it doesn’t. Everywhere else in scripture it refers to direct revelation from the spirit of God. It is to build up the body. And grace seems to be given in the exercise of the gift, as scripture instructs us to test it, and hold on to what is good. To me, that seems to imply that not every time is the person prophesying going to get it right.
That leads to, is Lakeland from God or not? I don’t know. Your arguments that it’s not all seem to center on Todd Bentley’s perceived lack of character in your eyes. First there was the angel Emma, which he got mercilessly bashed about. Did he backtrack on Emma? According to you, he did. Maybe he did. Again, I don’t know.
Even if everything you say is true, (which I can’t say confidently, more on that later) that doesn’t necessarily mean that what is happening in Lakeland isn’t of God. God’s gifts are freely given and are not a reward for our godliness. The gift of prophecy, or any other gift, is not a merit badge. It’s merely a gift. The responsibility lies on the recipient to use it in a way that honors God. Samson was a highly gifted prophet and judge of Israel. Yet he ate from a corpse (highly unlawful in ancient Israel), slept with prostitutes, womanized, and on and on. By your arguments, his power couldn’t have been from God, but it was.
If someone devoted their full time efforts to scrutinizing your life, what would they find? I have seen you consistently state that scripture says that the Roman Catholic church is the whore of Babylon. It does not say that. You have beliefs as well that are not consistent with scripture. You believe that a christian cannot be demonized. However, that belief is not consistent with scripture.
I don’t want to tear you down, but I do think you should reevaluate your approach. Again, I think your motives are probably very noble. I believe you really are concerned for the church. Maybe you are a prophet. Again, I have no way of knowing. I pray that God richly blesses you in every way imaginable. If I have said anything out of annoyance, please forgive me. You are my brother/sister in the Lord and I will meet you one day in Heaven. Thank you Jesus!
out everything you thing said my question is…how can a Christian be possessed by a demon if the Holy Spirit resides there??it HAS to be one or the other but NEVER both.
I must admit that though I am fairly new to what is going on in the Lakeland Outpouring I always approach this type of thing with some skepticism. I would not consider myself a charismatic (though I’m sure that many of my evangelical friends would disagree) but I don’t really care for the emotionalism that tends to accompany happenings like the Lakeland Outpouring.
I have become involved in healing ministry and I do take exception with some of your condemnations of healings that have occurred. Like it or not, sometimes healing is a process and doesn’t happen immediately (as in Luke 17 when Jesus healed the 10 lepers or the blind man from Mark 8:22-26) and part of healing is faith. I know sometimes people may get into the emotion of the event and want healing so badly that they delude themselves. But you have taken a mere handful of cases out of the reported thousands of healings that have occurred and decided from your limited vantage point of a television set that you have all of the facts. You are missing the miracle because it’s different than you expected. How is that any different from the Pharisees who condemned Jesus’ healings when He did them on the Sabbath? Let’s not miss the forest through the trees!
I have heard from friends who have gone that the presence of God is palpable.
Hey John C,
I’m sure you’ve heard this before but the term “demon possessed” doesn’t occur in the original Scripture. The term that is used in the Greek is “demonized” and this can occur in various levels of severity from the violence of the two demonized men in Matthew 8 to the man in Luke 4:33 who was demonized but apparently normal and functioning enough in daily life to sit in the synagogue with the other men of the city.
Now I realize that this was before the resurrection and ascension of Jesus and that these men were not indwelt with the Holy Spirit, but what we can see is that “demon-possession” doesn’t always look like Linda Blair from the Exorcist. And the fact that being “demonized” is far different from the picture of being “demon-possessed”.
Christians are indwelt by the Holy Spirit of God but if through their actions or the actions of others they open doors to spiritual forces of evil (Ephesians 6) they can be tormented from the outside by demonic spirits. They cannot, however, be owned by these demons.
Having said all of this (forgive me for being long winded) I must also state that every believer and non-believer can be freed from any and all demonization if they are really ready to be free. It is the will of the Father that through the power of the risen Christ and of His Holy Spirit that the works of the devil be destroyed (1John 3:8 The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.)
to rbird…oppressed yes..possessed NO..also these up here have not taken a handful of cases but hundreds of handfuls of cases..since day one of this “event”…once again how times must does one prophecy falsely to become a false prophet? how many false teachings does one teach to be a false teacher and so on..i’m not talkig about ignorance or a simple mistake i’m talking about willful and deliberate with no conviction..at the very least if a man is NOT above reproach he has no business standing in front of thousands in the name of the Lord,he and all responsible will be accountable outside repentance.believers have forgotten that God is also the God of judgement..whatever happened to fear and trembling?
If I were gunna stage a fake healing I deffinatly would get someone with scars on their arms…..
I was at the Gold Coast “downpour” (Todd bentley) and hated the mixture, whilst I saw the hunger on 1400 christians I also saw clearly the manipulation of God’s people (promise of money, gold dust, diamonds)….I came away questioning as I had had teaching of the exact opposite … and yet everyone excepts … hook line and sinker ….
Read the word people Matthew 24 … if Todd is false – I hope his not but everything points that way …. then of course healings will happen the word says Great signs and wonders … it will deceive the very elect if it were possible ….. the masses are being sucked in from the very high in the body of Christ to the humble “I’m just hungry” for God person …. I am very sad … all over Australia Pastors have been imparted to and will pass this on. we have a profit (and yes I spelt it right) in Oz who said it’s the new move of God – sorry old wine in old wineskin making a lot of noise – if it was true would not the amercian media take it and run with it … healing for the nation ….. just a thought
I actually became injured after I attended this conference and I believe it was from the impartation I received … my story is long and complicated.
If you would stop fault finding you would see that thousands
of peope have given their life to Jesus!
Todd as well as his ministry team have said MANY times..its not about man..don’t look to us..its JESUS!
Yes they have had extra joy..thank goodness they aren’t up there grumbling.Remeber the joy of the Lord is your strength.I needed that joy on some of my darkest days.This joy and the scriptures read [yes,he does read the Bible]Has kept me from drinking.I don’t think the demonic spirit would want someones life to get back on track ! I am stronger now than I have ever been..that alone lets me know this is real.I want to read the Bible more.I want to go back to church.I want to get rid of anything not pleasing to God out of my house. Sure sounds like God truly wants to touch lives. So before you judge..or harden your heart.Just think of the people you are trying to push astray.I know where I am going if I die.When you stand before God..remember what you are truly doing on this site.Now lets see who this demonic power is actually using. Looks like you are the one we are to watch!
Kim, it seems everyone has a story. I am sorry for yours as well as others. I believe these blogs help me and others to understand more what has happened to us. For years I felt I was under judgement for merely changing churches to stopping going at all. I feel more freedom than ever before. Thank God! Truly. A few years ago I was invited to a T. Bentley Ignite, fire ,impartation, something big, ect…. At the last minute I felt the reins pull me back. I did not go and more than ever I am so grateful that Holy Spirit was and still is guiding me, contrary to what I was “told” . I have watched enough of these God tv shows of the Lakeland thing. I need to recover from the last veiwing…(Monday night). Most of the folks in churches I know around here are connected to one or more of the guys on stage Monday night. These streams have all polluted each other so much the water aint’ safe to even wade.
is julie ok?
John C…I saw your comment..is Julie Ok? I am great!
I am just sad to see christians cause division.
I watched the outpouring again to see if scripture was read..to see if Man was raised above Jesus…to see if there would be an alter call.I thought after reading this..maybe I saw wrong. Nope..this is the real deal. When are people going to stop starting trouble and just let God have his way? Its the christians that keep the younger generation out of the church! Thats why people need to just have a personal relationship with God.Forget calling yourself a christian…people, like those on this site ,taint the name.Remember God looks at the heart.If you were to die today..would you say you are trying to mock his work?Or whom he choose to use?
julie -i do not see division…a few questions..was there division when Paul rebuked Peter?was there division when Paul corrected the church at Corith?in these last days is seeing alone believing…are all miracles,wonders,signs of God…please read your bible and believe,believe God not what you see only,walk by Faith not by site…its so simple, i don’t understand why so many don’t get it,they chase after anyone who says “God told me this” or “God wants ME to tell you that”….lets understand something…the God of all creation created man and woman and saw all that he made and it was very good-Adam and Eve were perfect man and woman and when God warned them of the ONE tree they could’nt eat from,they understood 100% because God being the Master communicator and they being made perfect but yet the serpent was still able to deceive them because they believed a lie rather then the Truth,they believe the devil rather then the God that created them..if they being perfect can be deceived how much more can Christians…we are not yet perfect but God has fully equipped us with his Word to know the wiles of the enemy…do not think for one second that Christians cannot be deceived by very clever scemes…you and me are not above being deceived…hurry to his Word and stay in it…do not chase after everything or everything who make great proclaimations,do not listen to those who are not above reproach…”Beloved,believe NOT every spirit but try the spirits”1John…in love.John
understood..BUT would you believe the real thing if it were right before you? Or would you be the one still there waiting as it passed by? Remember when Jesus rose from the dead the diciples didn’t even know it was him. The Mary’s did. God can choose to use whomever..[like the prostitute/tax collector etc..]Maybe Todd is not perfect.[who is?] But alot of people are turning to Jesus through this.Isn’t that what its is all about? Please John and anyone else who is slandering. Be careful..you will stand before God.Are you trying to keep people from turning to him? So..so dangerous ground!
And the RCC is a false Christian religion.
It is no more false than any of the other Christian denominations. They all have there false beliefs, rituals and man made junk. Because we are human and make mistakes. It’s just gonna happen. The key is to continually move forward, getting rid of the junk as God reveals it to us. We will all make mistakes or missteps as we get to know God and have a closer relationship with him. If you are staying in the same place thinking you already know it all, then you have a pride problem. There is no way, any of us can know it all.
Julie-we are not stumbling blocks,the spirit of the Lord has bore witness of this man and of his false works,YES i would certainly know it and have if it were spirit of the Lord “My sheep hear My voice” we will not follow the wrong voice,why are you? why do you not test the spirits by the Word of God,it is disobedient not to as God has commanded it,God is not all about feelings,quick handed gimmicks,false appearances let alone false teachings,false doctrines,false visions…”God will not be mocked” will not todd bentley stand before God by a stricter measure?,and by the word of God i’m not convinced it will be at the judgement seat of Christ,have’nt you been listening to this man violate the Word of God?are you not concerned that God warned us of false apostles,false teachers,fake wonders and signs…are you above being deceived?if the devil can deceive Adam and Eve who were made perfect and walked with God daily who were told by God not to do one thing and one thing only, do you think you are above being deceived when Christ himself told us to not believe these fake things that will come and have come and are coming?who do you make yourself out to be????yes we as true Christians do have the Holy Spirit but we live in corrupt bodies and there are many voices in the world that want our attention,we have weaknesses and short comings,trials,etc etc. the enemy comes in like a flood and you think you get it,got it and are running with it with todd bentley and all those who conceive the phoney boloney,who is on dangerous ground?…i am not ashamed,i will defend my Faith the One and True faith of Jesus Christ…do not bow to angels nor to men..if a man says god says to believe in an angel and not Jesus he is a liar and that man is todd bentley the one you follow and have been horribly deceieved by…repent,repent repent…pray God forgives you he is faithful to do so…i do not says these lightly.you have nothing to lose by repenting in a sincere manner.
the spirit of the Lord has bore witness of this man
What is that witness? Other than you say so. That seems to be the theme. Either that our you throw out a bunch of scriptures to try to prove your point. I can do the same thing. Listen there are people being saved by the thousands and healed by the thousands. That right there is witness of who’s power he’s working under, period. Satan doesn’t save, nor does he heal.
Todd’s not doing everything right, but, he is a man of God. One of God’s anointed. I dare say you aren’t doing everything right either and there isn’t a church on the planet that is. In fact most churches are so far off from what the church should be doing they might as well be a Kiwanis club.
Oh, and I forgot to add, Jesus is being lifted up!!! Worship is for hours!! Hallelujah!!!
BUT HOW ARE PEOPLE BEING SAVED IF THERE IS NO GOSPEL PREACHED?
1 Cor 15:1-4 ~
“Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the Gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. By this Gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance:
that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
that He was buried,
that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures…” (1 Cor 15:1-4, NIV)
“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the Word of Truth, the Gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in Him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit.” (Eph 1:13)
The gospel is being preached along with everything else Jesus commanded us to do.
Matthew 10:7-8 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give.
Let me say it again, people are being saved by the 1000’s.
if 1000’s are being saved then it is not by the preaching of tb nor is it by the spirit by which he operates….good and bad fruit do not come from the same tree nor does fresh water and bitter water come from the same source,when God does something it’s way beyond anything that has gone on at lakeland…if this offends you then you are offended….if you are a true Christian you HAVE to forgive me,i forgive you for being ignorant and blind and beg you to go to God and repent…..thats the way it is.