Manipulative propheteers – and who said Lakeland was not about money?!
This is an account in Pastor Stephen Strader’s own words of what ‘prophet’ Rob DeLuca from New Zealand prophesied to the Lakeland faithful on May 2nd 2008: -
“The Lord told me that he wants me to receive a million dollar offering… one thousand people that will give one thousand dollars… Cornelius was a man who prayed and gave generously. God rewarded him. Tonight we have the opportunity to SOW INTO HISTORY TONIGHT… Many came tonight to receive… but how many of us came here to give? TONIGHT WE CAN MAKE HISTORY… sow ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS into this outpouring!!!” (Source here)
To say this is bad enough, as it is distorted at best – but to prophesy it? Oh, that is manipulation of the highest order. The Lord rebuke this evil bunch! (They also prophesied another time that someone would give them land for a revival centre or the money for it, which is similarly manipulation)
By the way, a couple of weeks after this ‘prophecy’, Todd Bentley’s PR team are whinging they need more money to be ’sown’ and the ‘average offering is only 3-5 bucks a head’ (which is still a lot, even if true, given the size of the crowds and the ministry’s other sources of revenue) – so does this mean they never got their million bucks that particular night, or they are greedy, or they are repeatedly lying? If they did not get the money it makes Rob DeLuca a false prophet, doesn’t it? And their prosperity angels, as discussed, are not that effective and if not vain imaginations of Bentley’s, are liars. And if they did get this money, then what does this say too of them?! Either which way, Todd Bentley’s crowd cannot be trusted. But then they have already proven that.
Why doesn’t Todd Bentley just sow some money, if he really believes in the principle, to get back one thousand fold, as he is so fond of saying? Or does he not practice what he preaches? (Evidently not, just as the new prophetic or apostolic crowd have not come to him for healing eg Bob Jones with his ‘anointed kidneys’ – could they know something the crowds don’t – like Todd is a charlatan.)
On April 12th, more manipulation for money was evident (Source here, Pastor Stephen Strader’s own words again) – the message is clearly the more you financially give, the more you will get blessed. If you do not give, you will not get. The greedy hucksters! Did Jesus ever take financial offerings at his ‘healing revivals’? Did he ever say ‘give me your money so you can be blessed?’ No, rather he said, ‘freely you have recieved, freely give!’ and he was against men such as this. And Kira Mitchell, one of Todd’s associates, is in on the action too. If she were a woman of integrity she would have refused this ‘gift’ – the kid who gave the ring was only 17, but Kira is a grown woman, she has no excuse. Not only do they take these people’s possessions, but they boast about it and manipulate others to give beyond their means too, giving for all the wrong reasons.
“Todd brought up a 21 year old young man named Billy. He had given his new golf clubs to Todd the night before. Billy felt strongly that he was to bring a sacrifice to prove his hunger for God. He struggled all day long.
Suddenly the Holy Spirit started to flow up and down Billy’s body!!!
Shonnah, Todd’s wife, had told Todd a word of knowledge before service that there would be a young man coming to the meeting with an injury to his shoulder and he is a drummer and God wants to heal him. BILLY WAS THAT YOUNG MAN!
Todd isn’t a golfer. But God caused Billy to give one of his most precious possessions in order to receive from the man of God.
Then Amelia, 17 years old, had given her ring that she had since she was 13. A promise ring. She had given it to Kira (Todd’s assistant) last night. She KNEW that she had to give the ring in order to receive what God has for her.
These two young people demonstrated for all of us to SOW INTO REVIVAL. We have found a PRECIOUS TREASURE and BUY IT. Of course you can’t “buy” the revival… but you can make an offering that “costs you something” just like David did at the threshing floor.
We can’t receive until we GIVE. It’s more blessed to give than receive.
When Todd prayed for them – the Holy Spirit hit them so hard it knocked them AND the ushers back 10 feet and down on their faces!!!”
Oh Lord, Lord, deal with them! They do this in your name, but their hearts are far from you. In private they gloat about their ill gotten gains, and their lying lips salivate for yet more gold. Lord I beseech you to deal with these people, stir your hand and move in power and might that YOUR name may be glorified. They think they are covered in darkness, that nobody sees their deeds, that nobody knows what they do and how dark their hearts really are – and how they gloat, Lord, how smug, how satisfied they are, how safe they feel as they rub their hands together in glee as they plot together more of their own devised plans and pretend them to be yours – yet they despise you O God and they despise your flock! – But Lord, let what is done in the darkness come out clearly into the light so that men may fear your name once again. Pull apart their man made devices, tear down the barriers they hide behind and expose them, Lord! I know they have gotten away with this for years already, but Lord, I plead with you – enough is enough! My heart is heavy with grief, Lord, do not let them continue their plotting – foil their plans. Arise O Lord, and let your enemies be scattered! You will be glorified. The way of the wicked man leads to nothing. May they perish in shame and be covered with scorn and disgrace.
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Hi Miriam.
Just a question. Do you know randy clark in the Toronto movement? Have you gotten visions on him. Is he a bad guy?
I have never been in Toronto and experienced what went on there. I have not been in lakeland either, and i am not planning on.
But i just dont understand how so many sincere genuine believers can be caught up with this. Hos was it for you?
In your mind was everybody in the Toronto leadership decieved and wicked?
I love this blog by the way. It has been a true cleansing for me. Keep it up. May God bless you richly.
Morten:
No, not at all. Decieved, yes. Wicked, no, most of them were not, they were deeply sincere and passionate. Some behind the scenes were wicked though and some became wicked and corrupt.
I know of Randy Clark – met him several times – and he is deeply decieved, and has got worse not better over the years. He also deliberately did not tell the whole truth on every occasion I heard him speak by lying about church and revival history which was deceitful – eg he implied that as this stuff happened at the Welsh Revival and the Great Awakening the leaders were for it.
Thank you for the answere.
My pastor (from Norway btw) read a book of a revival guy named Martin Loyd Jones, who according to him was supportive of this kind of “behaviour” when revival struck. I dont know this guy. Do you?
Well anyway. He said to me that had he not read this book, he would never have accepted the Toronto blessing. He is btw a prominenet norwegian christian leader who many follows.
Its very hard for me to grasp all this. I hear now that prominent christian leaders in Norway embrace the lakeland revival. When the leaders are led astray, what then will happen to the sheep. Please pray with me for Norway. Pray for true discernment.
Another thing. I have never heard a sermon about discerning the spirits. I see more and more now how important this is, yet noone speaks about it. Why??
Sorry if its a messy post.
Discernment is just not taught anymore so is not passed onto each new generation of Christians.
However Todd Bentley do their best to stop discernment obviously, because if all Christians were discerning this guy would be certainly not on stage and probably in jail as a conman.
Yes I have heard of Martin Lloyd Jones. I think he was associated with R T Kendall and Westminister Chapel in London that used to be ok but went really flaky. He was a fine preacher. Sadly many good men and women went this way – including me at the time!
Its so true.
I have studied the new world order for some time now and there is so much horrific things going on. But something that really have caught my attention is the dumbing down in education and christianity. I heard a lecture on this given by Charlotte Iserbyt. I have also heard about a book adressing the same thing happening in christianity.
These things really concern me. I guess the only thing we can do is pray and speak out the thrut.
Morten,
There are parallels between the New World Order/New Age and Latter Rain/Joel’s Army/Manifest Sons of God/Dominionism as promoted by Bentley and Lakeland.
Lee; I am beginning to see this. When i stumbled over this site everything suddenly made sense. I have always wonded how antichrist would come about, and how even the elect could be decieved and so on, but now i see it.
Btw. i have read the ernie gruen report on the Kansas city prophets which i recomend everybody to read. It really gave me som valuable insights.
Check out http://cnt10c.tripod.com/tblaw.htm
It seems like Todd Bentley’s mentor TACF’s John Arnott has legal and criminal problems!
Check out Not Innocent” http://crooksag.tripod.com/crooks.pdf and the speech Stephen Strader’s brother Dan made in Carpenter’s Home Church which doesn’t exist any more. For those who do not understand what con men do they lie, deceive others or simple don’t tell the whole truth. In this context Dan Strader’s ten minute speech must be considered appropriately. The Tampa Tribune on July 8, 1995 reported the following that says it all about Dan Strader.
Durden then pressed Strader on what his morals were all about.
“Do you feel it was wrong to lie to people? He asked.
“Yes.”
“But you did it anyway?”
“Yes,” Strader responded. “I definitely feel I compromised on ethical and moral conduct.”
“What kind of value system do you have to enable you to lie to people?” the prosecutor pressed.
“I had a very poor value system.”
Basically, the lies and derogatory remarks that were made in the house of God from the pulpit of an Assembly of God church were unbelievable. While the Assembly of God did nothing about this speech or use of a pulpit in such a way even though they were asked to look into the matter, it was noted and acted upon by the State Attorney and Judge Doyle. Dan’s bail was revoked two days after this speech and he had to spend the next sixty days in jail for this violation.
Martin Lloyd Jones was one of R T Kendal’s predecessors as Minister of Westminster Chapel. Lloyd Jones was one of the most well known evangelical preachers of the UK from WWII until the 1980’s
There is NO WAY he would have supported Kendal or this so called “revival”. His teaching and writings make it quite clear what revival is and what it isn’t and this (lakeland) isn’t it! Todd bentley and Lloyd Jones are at opposite ends of the Spectrum in every respect: one a convicted felon, the other a trained medical doctor. One who rarely uses scripture – the other a man who preached on Romans 8:28 – 30 for soem 16 weeks, each time a 40 minute muessage that was ALL scripture.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=HMMRrlKrweo
During the middle of a sermons, Todd has people coming up stuffing money in his pockets ’sowing into the anointing’ and when his pockets get full, he says that the people need to keep coming on up as he has more pockers
on Rob De Luca: http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?abbr=tv_&page=NewsArticle&id=7641
“The Lord told me that he wants me to receive a million dollar offering… one thousand people that will give one thousand dollars… Cornelius was a man who prayed and gave generously. God rewarded him. Tonight we have the opportunity to SOW INTO HISTORY TONIGHT… Many came tonight to receive… but how many of us came here to give? TONIGHT WE CAN MAKE HISTORY… sow ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS into this outpouring!!!” (Source here)
Now notice his cd peddled on Sid Roth’s program is titled,”Breaking the Power of Covetousness”