Response To Todd Bentley’s Recent Defense on Fresh Fire Website To Public Criticism

Todd Bentley has put up a defence on his Fresh Fire website here, dated 8th June, which funny enough is the day Jesus did not show up in his chariot and set foot on stage at Lakeland as prophesied. Todd calls the article ‘Bringing Biblical Light to Your Questions about the Lakeland Outpouring & Todd Bentley ‘.   ’Biblical light’ is laughable as Todd evidently does not know what ‘biblical’ really is. ’Bringing Light to Your Questions’ is also a joke, as many of the real questions are are not even considered, let alone answered, and his long post only creates even more problems for him, digs deeper holes for him, displays even more lies, contradictions and deceptions, and shows him up for what he is – a blatant liar and deciever.

I already dealt with his false claims in his article about angel Emma and another angel, in the post here. That one post alone shows numerous lies just there! Now I move onto the rest of the article. Todd’s comments are in italics. Mine are not in italics underneath.

Throughout the Old and New Testaments and in every age following, as far as I can determine, the Lord has given His people dreams and visions, signs and wonders, heavenly encounters and divine supernatural experiences….

What age following the New Testament? We are still under the New Testament covenant and not in another ‘age’ yet according to the Bible (in this context). However Todd Bentley and Latter Rainers will not agree with this, as they will see this present age as a glorious new age to manifest the elitist and blasphemous Manifest Sons of God – as per their recent prophecies at Lakeland.

as far as I can determine, the Lord has given His people dreams and visions, signs and wonders, heavenly encounters and divine supernatural experiences….

None of Todd’s main critics or the reputable watchman sites that I know of, would disagree with this. We believe in the divine, we believe in the miraculous, we believe in the spiritual gifts. But we also believe in seductive and deceptive spiritual counterfeits and testing the spirits, to see if they are true or false, which these guys steadfastly refuse to do and worse still command their followers not to do.

The question at issue here is not whether signs and wonders and angels and prophecy are in the bible – of course they are and we agree they still happen today – rather the contentious issue is the SOURCE and TRUTH of the manifestations, visions and prophecies at Todd Bentley and his associates’ meetings or through their ministry, the TYPE of experiences, their bad THEOLOGY, their unbiblical MANIFESTATION, how they are IMPARTED and TRANSFERRED, their TRUTH (do they produce what they claim to produce), the TRUTH of the claims related to these (eg why all the lies, cover ups and contradictions, not to mention obvious hype?) and WHAT the ’signs’ really testify to and what FRUIT they produce.

that, for the most part, we cannot understand with our intellect. In the spiritual realm, God isn’t limited by our thinking!

This is deliberately twisting and distorting on Todd’s part. While we cannot understand everything  on this side of eternity, and it is true that God is NOT limited by our human thinking, we can know something - indeed much – about God and His ways now, as well as know Him personally and be led into all truth by His Holy Spirit.

When some revelation or thing from a prophet or teacher or apostle – whoever that person is – contradicts that something  that God has already given us, that is already revealed, then something is very amiss. If we do not know whether the new thing is contradictory or not, God has given us the facilities and tools to judge for ourselves its truth.

The Bereans in the book of Acts were commended for being ‘noble minded’ when they heard of the ‘new thing’ spoken by Paul. Rather than swallow it whole without due consideration, they went and took time to vigorously check out whether what ‘the new thing’ Paul was talking about could scripturally be true. The apostle Paul, far from being offended, welcomed this and praised them for it. Paul was not afraid of questions or of being exposed as he had nothing to hide, as the truth never does, it can more than look after itself.  Todd Bentley, on the other hand is manipulative and says ‘if you stop to question this move, you’ll miss it’  – his manifestation and its source is afraid of testing as it is not what it claims to be, and his ‘truth’ cannot support itself under testing (look at all the contradictions and backtracking and denials that have come out recently for instance). [Also, if the 'don't stop to test it or you'll miss it' approach is true, and God is truly so welcome of undiscerning acceptance to 'recieve' willy nilly anything and everything, why did Paul not threaten the Bereans they could 'miss it' when they took a couple of days to ponder, and why did the apostles Paul and John command public testing and weighing?] More than this, Todd calls those who test him not ‘noble minded’ but ’Satanists, warlocks and witches’ and repeatedly lies and lies and lies to cover up embrassing revelations. Hardly the works of a child of the light.

Of course, the problems with this ‘if you test it, you’ll miss it attitude’ is the glory in the manifestation, regardless of its truth, and the desire for sensual spiritual expenses at the expense of anything and everything (not to mention obedience to God). If the public should not test in case they miss it, then this says (if we take Todd’s claims that he has the visions he claims to on face value) Todd does not test them either, as he is so eager for an experience, even if it is a lying one. What prophet would you listen to, let alone trust, that does not test or judge their experiences by the word of God or anything else? Todd proudly thinks himself immune to deception - and claims it! Yet the proof is, from his fruit, that he is decieved and a deciever.

It is because Todd Bentley has everything to fear – his exposure for what he truly is – which ain’t pretty and I am not referring to his looks - that he attempts to silence his critics, slander them, or twist what his critics says (eg the false claim that he was mainly being attacked because of what he looks like). Todd does not allow debate, or weighing and judging – as he cannot!   His ministry and livelihood is at stake. (Before you say ‘this is not about the money’ -  I aim to post an article on the ministry finances shortly - Todd’s income is far from ’modest’ as claimed by Fresh Fire PR people to the media.)  Regardless, if people stopped to check Todd’s dubious revelations and ministry and what spirit he ministers by, they would rightly reject him – he would be exposed for what he is – a dangerous charlatan and false prophet.

So, we, when hearing ANY new thing must check it out. God does NOT blatantly contradict Himself  or lie about what has already been revealed through the apostles and prophets in the Bible or through the Living Word, Jesus. God has given us minds with a logical and rational thinking ability, and the word of God in the Bible for a reason, containing His commands and instruction re testing and weighing and judging the manifester, the manifestation, the imparter of the manifestation, and the manifestation’s spiritual source and identity. ALL must be checked out.

God has given us the Holy Spirit - so we can in some form have the mind of Christ. He has given his word so we can understand something  of His ways and character, if not everything.  He has given His Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth.  Human beings although fallible and not omniescient, can thus discern between truth and error, by weighing up experiences and revelations against the word of God, and using the gifts of wisdom and discernment given from the Holy Spirit.

supernatural experiences that, for the most part, we cannot understand with our intellect

What Todd is really saying is, accept my revelations even though you do not understand them. Accept them even if you do not agree with them. Accept them even if they contradict what I said last week. Accept them even if they contradict with what scripture clearly says and the Holy Spirit says to you about them, as if you do not ‘get’ them or ‘agree’ with them you cannot understand them. Those people who say my visions are not from God are not being spiritual as they cannot understand them to say this! You have to be truly enlightened like me to understand. If you have not had all my third heaven and angelic experiences or do not spend as much time with God as I claim to, then you cannot judge me or my revelations and best just shut up. You”ll get it if you continue to go with the flow. After all, you wouldn’t want to miss it, would you, by being religious ?!

This is all far from the truth. This is the stuff of cults and cult leaders and not true men of God. It is manipulative and controlling and abusive.

God says, “I am the LORD, I change not” (Malachi 3:6).

Todd quotes this, yet this is a wonderful scripture that testifies against   Todd and his ‘new thing’.

Todd says God does not change. Yet the ‘God’ of Todd Bentley’s revelations and manifestations has  changed and contradicts Himself and His past word frequently. The God in the Bible does not lie, contradict himself or change, true prophets in the Bible do not lie or rob or abuse the flock. Yet Todd does lie and intentionally so and falsely prophesies, and is greedy and manipulative for money, so what does that say about His God and His calling and His prophetic gifting? Has God suddenly changed His position on all of these things? Or is it another foreign God that Todd follows that now savours the smell of strange fire?

Furthermore the whole of the new prophetic and apostolic movement repeatedly declare ‘God is doing a new thing’ and this is ‘new wineskins’ compared to the old wineskins as revealed in the Bible. So according to them, if it is now different to the Bible, it is meant to be according to them as it is ‘new’ and ‘better’. They cannot have it both ways! Has God radically changed or hasn’t he? Does His word still stand, or doesn’t it?

God-given dreams and visions are often because of the gracious outpouring of the Holy Spirit.

What does Todd mean by ‘often’?   True God given dreams and visions are ALWAYS because of the Holy Spirit’s work.

They fall into the category of the miraculous when supernatural revelations are imparted

If a dream is God-given then it is  supernatural revelation. How can you have a God-given dream or vision without it being ’supernatural revelation’?! Todd clearly does not know what he is talking about scripturally or experiencially. It is also dodgy to claim that a prophetic vision is the same thing as a ‘miracle’. They are not, they are two distict and separate things.

They fall into the category of the miraculous when supernatural revelations are imparted. Ezekiel, the prophet operated in a continuous miracle ministry in the revelatory realm

Excuse me? Where does it even say any of this in the BIBLE? It does not.

Ezekiel, the prophet operated in a continuous miracle ministry in the revelatory realm

Todd has odd ideas about there being a ‘revalatory realm’. How is this scriptural at all (in the sense Todd means it?) This idea fits in with Todd’s gnostic claims but is not sound biblically.

continuous miracle ministry in the revelatory realm

No prophet is continually prophesying 24/7, let alone in a continuous miracle ministry.  I think Todd is trying to elevate himself as being in the miraculous realms, not to mention ‘just’ the prophetic realms, 24/7. I’ve heard lots of false claims of his of him travelling to minister to people in the spirit when he sleeps and even when he is not aware of it, and so this would tie into it, although it is not scriptural. I think this is what he is linking into here and trying to imply how anointed he is. Alternatively, if Todd is implying only when Ezekiel was prophesying in the ‘revelatory realm’ (only) that he was continuously in the miraculous ministry, this claim is still false.

Some people desire Scripture for every manifestation of God – for every detail of every God-given, Holy Spirit inspired vision, dream, encounter, or demonstration of the supernatural realm of God manifested on the earth.

Todd has distorted and twisted the criticisim. I do not need scripture for every manifestation or every word. BUT when I see a manifestation, or hear a word, I test it according to the word of God and also by its spiritual source, and if it is false it is false because it has come from either a fleshly or demonic source, rather than the Spirit of God - not because it is not recorded in the Bible chapter and verse.  I do not criticise Todd because his angel Emma is not explicitly in the bible. I do not criticise Todd because all his words and actions are not explicitly recorded in the bible (although some of his actions are  as he is part of the end times false prophet in Revelation and Thessalonians, and a deciever as recorded in Timothy et al).  I criticise Todd because I have tested his claims and found them wanting, to be false, and in many cases to be antichrist and demonic. Because their subject matter contradicts the already revealed word of God blatantly, and because they are strange fire from strange spirits who are not the Spirit of truth. They are seductive lying and deceptive spirits.

We do not need chapter and verse for every single thing that occurs, but when chapter and verse is already given about something that manifests before our eyes, we are not to ignore that chapter and that verse! And many chapter and verses have been given re Todd and his words, antics and manifestations.

While I firmly believe that we’re to defend the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I don’t believe we’re to defend divine manifestations of God, because they are proof within themselves of the Gospel, wherever the Word of God is sent forth.

This is not true in the sense Todd means it. First of all he assumes, or expects us to assume, all manifestations are of God.   His are clearly not, when weighed against the word, when weighed by their fruit, and when their source is tested. When their source is tested they are proof within themself of being antichrist. Todd and his followers refuse to test them – why, what are they scared of? The truth, that’s what. Who hides from the truth?  The devil and his minnions!

because they are proof within themselves of the Gospel, wherever the Word of God is sent forth.

Manifestations are not proof within themselves of the gospel at all. The Bible repeatedly says there can be ’signs and wonders’ that are NOT from God and are NOT to be accepted. Many false spirits have gone out into the world. The end time beasts will be heralded with great signs and wonders, to decieve ‘even the elect’, calling down even fire from heaven [who has been calling for that recently?)

Manifestations only prove themselves when they do what they claim to do and follow the preaching of the true word of God. However these manifestations do not follow the word, and they also do not do what they claim to do. So if someone is prayed for to be healed, and they are slain in the spirit and manifest, then the manifestation is claiming that person is healed. But numerous people, all over the world, can testify to being slain in the spirit and manifesting and not being healed to even the tiniest degree. At the height of the Toronto Blessing, one girl I knew well was constantly zapped and manifested literally hundreds of times when there was prayer for healing but was not healed. She prophesied and jerked tremendously and her manifestations testied she spoke the truth when she prophesied but she did not - it was bunkum, but she had people enraptured because she shook so much 'under the power' as she spoke.  So what was the manifestations? It was a lying spirit. Many people who have testified to being healed at Todd's meetings are not healed. One man died one week later after Todd proclaimed him healed and he manifested on stage. The little girl raised from the dead apparently was not, (as reported by Charisma Magazine). So what does this say? That God lies? No, certainly not! Rather these manifestations lie.  And people - including leaders - lie too sometimes.

Similarly at the time of the Toronto Blessing (that Lakeland is linked to, it is the very same people behind the scenes), numerous prophecies were made by famous church leaders that these manifestions agreed with and testified to, that famously did not come to pass and were proven to be lies. So the manifestations cannot possibly have come from the Spirit of God. They were generated from lying spirits! Not only was there the same lack of discernment at Toronto, but also the same lying spirits were tolerated and given voice to. And the same lying prophets and their agendas (eg Bob Jones) were elevated and promoted.

wherever the Word of God is sent forth.

The trouble is, Todd does not preach the word of God. When he does rarely mention scripture, it is hugely distorted. The word of God is not sent forth. If he is referring to his prophecies as the word of God compared to the Bible, then it is still not  the word of God as the prophecies are evidently false.

Discern yes, but defend, no. Consider that many of the “greater” things that Christ said we would do hadn’t even been done yet and weren’t recorded in the Bible.

But 'greater things' are not things that are false, manipulative and contradicting the word of God. They are things that agree  with the word, defend it and exhort it. Note yet again, the 'subtle' twisting with the 'weren't recorded in the Bible' .  Doing future 'greater things' does not mean or say what Todd implies it to mean. It does not mean you can go extra biblical and ignore the word of God in this context.

While it’s good and right and biblical to test the spirits to see if they are of God

But Todd has said that if we stop to test it, we'll miss it. Todd also said earlier you should not have to defend the manifestations as they are proof within themselves of the gospel. He also says you should not have to defend the manifestations and extols the benefits of extra biblical thinking, 'greater things' and 'new wineskins'.  Todd says it is good or right to test things but he does not really mean it, as he undermines this constantly with everything else he says and his emphasises. It is a very good example of deceptive double speak.

While it’s good and right and biblical to test the spirits to see if they are of God

He has never preached this to his followers. If he truly values the need to test the spirits, then why not preach this at Lakeland when the flock are at their greatest danger of being decieved from decieving spirits? And why not test the spirits himself? He says he cannot be decieved and is not concerned about deception so does not test (how arrogant!), so by his on reckoning, he does what is 'not good', 'not right' and 'not biblical' and disobeys God's commands through the aposltes Paul and John!  But then, of course, Todd does not mean this about testing the spirits, and is only trying to satiate the criticism by paying passing lip service to it. If his followers tested the spirits then Todd would be out of a job, and Todd well knows it. Todd and his kind literally thrive on ignorance and silencing the flock.

While it’s good and right and biblical to test the spirits to see if they are of God

We have done and found them not to be of God.  So what's your point, Todd?

While it’s good and right and biblical to test the spirits to see if they are of God, it’s vital to realize that just because a type of vision or a sign is not listed in Scripture, that it’s unscriptural, to be discounted, or false.

But what is written in the Bible in terms of its verbatim words and content is not ALL we use to test the spirits. We use the applied content from the applied wisdom of the Bible and apply it in testing the spirits - literally - to see if the source is God, and to see if the message is of God. Angels are certainly in the Bible, but if an angel comes to us, we can test it to see if it is one of God's or not, as well as test its message. Not only do we test the message,  but we test the source  of the message and/or manifestation. Todd ignores these aspects completely.

    Just as no two people are alike, no two experiences are alike.

But that is not a carte blanche to contradict or ignore scripture. The Bible mentiones numerous different encounters with an eclectic bunch of people over many centuries, all with different experiences - but the same God with the same character and the same word and the same truth was involved with them all. We all have varying experiences! If someone with an alternative experience to mine or any of the Bible's heros brings out truth from the Spirit of truth, then praise God! But if that someone with an alternative experience to mine speaks of a strange God and speaks by strange spirits with new revelations that replace the Bible's, it is not because they are different  and had a different encounter to me (or any of the folk in the Bible) that their 'truth' is rejected, rather it is because they are unbiblical and lead away to foreign Gods. Todd Bentley may as well say, truth is relative to the individual, and all religions lead to God. And indeed that is what this movement is heading towards with growing interfaith momentum.

If you test something properly and find it to be false, then it is false - so what if it is not alike or unlike your experience or anyone else's. False is false.

[It should be noted that even if you claim an identical experience to a biblical character that still does not make what you say to be true and from God. eg. There is a well known false prophet who directly plagarises from the prophet Daniel and then adds in his own stuff.]

We have no account of miracles like amputated limbs growing back, but the absence of this is Scripture doesn’t mean that such a miracle unbiblical.

I am not convinced this is so. Lepers had body parts dropping off them, yet were cleansed and made while. And Lee in a comment has pointed out the man with the shrivelled hand whose hand ‘grew’ out.  But regardless, scripture shows God to be a creator, and a healer, where nothing is too difficult for Him – so the Bible clearly shows that amputated limbs growing back would be entirely biblical and within God’s character and will. Todd Bentley is being distorting again to try and make a deceitful point that it is Ok to be extra biblical and even contra biblical. Jesus showed His ‘creator side’ in healing by creating a new eye (or parts of it) for the blind man from the earth that he spat into. Far from being weird or disgusting, this was a prophetic gesture to show He was the creator, as man was formed out from the earth. Jesus was showing his divinity and prophesying it. This wonderful revelation of who Jesus was, and what He can do, is not at all comparable with Todd bamming and headbutting and kneeing and drop kicking people. That is not only weird but abusive. It makes no wonderful prophetic point – it only ‘prophesies’ Todd is an abuser and a mocker and can get away with almost anything and people will readily accept it and go back for more!

God responds to each one of us in different ways so the specific way He speaks to any of His children should not become a doctrine of correctness

BUT who God’s children are IS to be discerned, as well as who the children of the devil are. What God’s children says God says to them is also up for scrutiny as all prophecy should be weighed and publically judged.

Todd does not speak for the God of truth, and he lies. His father is the devil, the father of lies. That is the big issue here.

Someone once said that limiting revelation is like trying to fit an ocean into a cup.

And this is where in the Bible? In thought or implication? It is rather the word one of the dubious new apostles or prophets by the sound of it.

God is continually restoring truth and light to His Church. Therefore, we should place no limit on further revelation.

This is not biblically true in the sense Todd means it. While God does still speak to men today, if the alleged words are false they should not be listened to. If the prophet is false he should not be listened to either.

We should place a limit on listening to false revelation from false prophets or dark spirits dressed as angels of light. Bob Jones from Kansas City has an abysmal prophetic track record and has prophesied numerous flaky unscriptural things, not to mention, antichrist  things. The church should set limits and not listen to Bob Jones any more or his spirit guides or any of the prophetic beast he has helped spawn and mentors. But Bob’s spirit guides have been imparted to Todd Bentley! And Bob mentors Todd. False lying and perverse spirits have been proven to have worked through Bob Jones for years. And they are the same spirits in this Lakeland Outpouring. How can they be good, let alone be from God and the Holy Spirit of truth?   I mean seriously?

The ‘restoring truth’ to the church is again saying that what is in the Bible is not enough, and new revelation is needed in a new wineskin, and we need Todd’s elitist band of false lying apostles and prophets under the headship of C Peter Wagner. See, the beast does have a false prophet to speak for him!

If Jesus listed for us everything that we needed to know, then knowing Him would have become an option. It’s in knowing Him, who is The Word that we enter into what He has prepared for us.

God has given us all the tools the church needs. Knowing Jesus does ‘not become an option’, as we do not know Christ for knowledge, revelation or experience sake alone but for far more than that – like er… salvation.  For Todd to say this, indicates not only his lack of Bible knowledge, but also his lack of grasp of reality of who and what Jesus is and what Jesus did and what reconciliation with God is about. (This is really so fundamental and basic it raises serious questions as to whether Todd ever became born again, let alone whether he ever knew God. He more than illustrates he does not know His ways and does not fear Him now.)  There are also gnostic tones in what he is saying here.

To apply doctrine to the response of God in our lives is wrong.

No, it is not wrong. God gave ‘doctrine’ (by that I mean the word of God, not man-made  doctrine) for a reason. Note here Todd’s despisal of doctrine – for true doctrine is the word of God! Furthermore God’s ‘response’ in our lives is continual. If we follow through on Todd’s reasoning that applying the word is wrong to ‘God’s response’ in our lives, we discard all doctrine always and just go with the flow and our feelings (without testing or discernment) or the word. We then chuck out the whole Bible – which is what many new charismatics effectively do.  Todd is basically saying: it is wrong to apply the word of God to our lives!   You what?!!! No wonder he never opens the Bible then – he hates  it!   Todd hates truth.

Can you see how antichrist and dangerous and deceptive Todd is now?  For if we do not have basic doctrine or basic truths (eg Jesus is the only way, truth and life), then we cannot know the real God in the first place. Or worse, we can be decieved into thinking we are a Christian and saved when we are not. If we have not truth, we cannot adequately test revelations and experiences. If we do not have basic truths, how do we know any spiritual experience or ‘response’ or spirit is really of the true God and not the god of this world – if we have no doctrine, we are prey to all sorts of deception and deceptive spirits and doctrines of demons.  Who is ‘God’ for that matter if we have not doctrine? 

Going by Todd’s reasoning, everything that takes place in anyone could be God, as it is wrong to apply the word of God to test the experience. So speaks the god of this world.

Note also that all doctrine is not done away – just doctrine Todd hates, like the Bible. Todd is replacing true doctrine with his false doctrine garnered from false encounters with false prophets and false angels. Eg the doctrine that anything goes, we can go into the third heaven at any time by will, etc etc

To apply doctrine to the response of God in our lives is wrong.

What is the ‘response of God’. Todd means his prophecy and manifestations. He is basically saying do not test them! (But he said earlier we should   test them, does he know what he thinks, does he care?)

For someone to assume that something that happens to us isn’t of God because it’s not in his or her doctrine or knowledge of Jesus is, in my opinion, to grieve the precious Holy Spirit.

No, it is not grieving the Holy Spirit or blaspheming Him. For the Bible commands us to test and weigh prophecy and publically judge it. Todd’s prophecy or vision is what he would define as a ‘response from God’. The apostle Paul commands us to test this ‘response’ and the apostle John echoes it.  Nowhere in the Bible does it say it grieves or blasphemes the Holy Spirit for his gifts and manifestations to be tested under the microscope. Indeed it grieves the Holy Spirit when God’s children embrace junk and do not test!

For someone to assume that something that happens to us isn’t of God because it’s not in his or her doctrine or knowledge of Jesus is, in my opinion, to grieve the precious Holy Spirit.

Todd is implying that his critics ‘assume’.  I have not assumed,  rather I have weighed and tested Todd and KNOW he is false.  Also note his hypocrisy here - he has said, do not judge you’ll miss it, so his followers if they do not judge and discern in order to embrace it are assuming  it is Ok.  So it is ok for them  to ‘assume’, but not anyone else? What a deciever!

I say that Todd’s alleged encounters and visions and manifestations are not of God, not so much because they ‘aren’t in my doctrine’ but because they blatantly contradict the Bible’s doctrine. Some commentators have frequently said ‘don’t judge what you don’t understand’ – but you see, I DO understand, that’s the whole point of me shouting out a loud warning. If I did not understand Id keep quiet. I fully understand that Todd is a greedy and manipulative liar and false prophet and false teacher. I understand that he imparts demonic impartations and teachings that are antichrist in nature….  and so could anyone else understand this if   they weighed up the truth for themselves and looked at the facts!  Also, Todd cannot even agree with himself – indicating his intentional lies. It is not rocket science to follow the trail of lies, contradictions, deceptions and cover ups coming out of these guys. That stinks.

I say that Todd and his posee’s manifestations  are not of God, not so much because they ‘aren’t in my experience’ because many of them are IN my first hand experience. I am fully conversant with the Toronto Blessing that this has spawned from. God also directly spoke to me on them and said they are NOT from God.

I say that Todd and his posee’s visions  are not of God, because many of them are IN my first hand experience. I have seen and heard these prophets talking over many years and know them to be false from first hand experience and their track records. Also God has spoken to me directly about these men and women and declared them to be false and dangerously false.

But even if I had not first hand personal experience, and no such direct revelation from God, it does not matter. We can still test and weigh things outwith our experience to see if they are gold or fool’s gold. I have never been a satanist but know it is wrong and will say it is wrong and I can judge Alaister Crowley’s experiences and visions and manifestations as being wrong. I have never been a Mormon either but I will judge Joseph Smith’s revelations from the angel Moroni as being false. And so with Todd Bentley. Following through on Todd Bentley’s twisted logic, we should accept Joseph Smith and Alaister Crowley’s revelations and their response from ‘God’, or at least not judge them, or we will be grieving the Holy Spirit!

I believe each experience is unique and tailored to the individual’s background, experiences, circumstances, capacity to receive, and personal relationship with Jesus. The experience is usually one that a person can relate to. The Lord meets us where we’re at and often shows us things in a way that gets our attention, in a way that we, as individuals, uniquely understand and relate to.

What Todd is actually saying is, anything goes, however contradictory, and we should accept it. Anything goes, every experience is right, all religions and paths lead to God (that’s what comes next). Anything goes but criticism.

Some are questioning the soundness of my visitation from Jesus while I was in Redding, California. I stated in an interview that it was as though He came into this realm and I saw Him as I would imagine Jesus would be with the disciples on the Earth, as the Son of man, a humble servant as He walked the earth, not in His resurrection glory. The purpose of this experience was for God to impart to me His supernatural peace in my life. God chooses, in His infinite wisdom, to reveal Himself in different ways, and in various aspects so that people can understand, relate, and even receive Him. Why do some think it so bad if God wills to come in His grace and reveal Himself to us in whatever manner He chooses?

God can come any manner he chooses. But He does not contradict himself or any reality or truth when He comes. You cannot justifiy false visitations or visions, by saying God can do what he likes and appear as He like! That is sneaky and duplicitous. If God appeared as a red dragon, does that mean we should accept that as being true? If Jesus appeared as defeated, and Satan as the victor, should we accept this alleged visitation as being godly as  ’God can come anyway he wishes?’ Todd is trying to justify that Jesus is not now in His resurrection glory. This is an antichrist vision and not acceptable to any degree.

What’s important, however, are not the details of, for instance, a vision, but how it points to Jesus, the revelation gleaned, what we learn from the experience, how we apply it to our life, and/or speak it into the life of another, and how it draws us closer to Him, for His name’s sake

You what? Apart from this being contradictory (eg how does one glean revelation if not by the detail, and how does one apply it, if the detail not understood?) details are very important, as otherwise what’s the point of God giving detail in a vision? Look at the detail in Daniel and John’s visions – the details are very important and there for a reason. Todd once again indicates he is not biblically literate, or a true prophet, and does not know what he is talking about! He boasts about visons for visions sake, not for their truth. There are again gnostic tones – the experience  over the revelation or the truth.

Because one person may not be able to relate to a dream, vision, or experience of another, he or she may attribute this to the devil or to the flesh, or hallucinations, for example

It is perfectly valid to consider whether an alleged vision or prophecy is a fleshly hallucination or vain imagination – or an outright lie. Or is from encounters with demons. Or is from a mixture of sources. Likewise with all spiritual manifestations and spiritual gifts.

Many visions and experiences accepted in today’s church are not from God but are readily embraced anyway. People are falsely pushed over as slain in the spirit, I have heard false tongues used and embraced as being godly because they ’sound spiritual’. Many people in the church do ‘relate to’ ear tickling prophecies and false gifts as they know no better – the truth, however feels alien to them -  but whether one ‘relates’ to something or not, does make it any the less true or false.  The word of God and testing the spirits – not experience, not commanlity, not frequency, not tradition – reveals something’s truth or falsity.

Critics do not criticise Todd’s prophecies because they do not ‘relate’ to them – they critise them because they are false and from lying men and lying spirits.

Again, it’s all relative to each individual, their experiences, and backgrounds,

No it is not. Truth is not relative. Truth and Error is all testable and discernable against the word of God with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Only the devil says truth is relative.

and with what they have learned through intimacy with Christ Jesus, and what they have received as a love response from God. I spend hours and hours at the feet of Jesus and perhaps the next person doesn’t.

Ah! See what Todd is actually doing here? He is saying ‘I am better and more enlightened than any who will dare to disagree with me or question me because I spend hours with Jesus in the glory’. and  ’My visions are a love response from God, who are you to question them!’  Apart from the fact this is a LIE, just like many of his other claims, so what if he really spends 24/7 in prayer or soaking? He is not immune to deception. If he says something false, it is false regardless of his experiences or works. A false prophet cannot dispute he is false by saying ‘ah I spend loads of time with God’.   So what if you do or don’t.  So what even if it is the true God you spend time with. A lie is a lie. A false prophecy is a false prophecy. It should be weighed up irrespective of the prophet or how long the prophet claims to sit at God’s feet.

I spend hours and hours at the feet of Jesus and perhaps the next person doesn’t.

Notice also the arrogance, boasting and pride manifested here. Furthermore, note all true believers are with God and God is continually with them even when they are not actively engaged in dialogue or spiritual pursuits.

I spend hours and hours at the feet of Jesus and perhaps the next person doesn’t.

Todd claims to spend hours and hours with Jesus yet the proof is he does not even know Him. He evidently does not fear God as he brazenly lies, decieves and covers up about his visions and spiritual encounters. He is also financially greedy. That fruit from his life ain’t good. The fruit from his prophecy ain’t good, either, it stinks. It is false and unscriptural and contradictory indicating if he does have visions they ain’t from Jesus. Todd idolises false prophets and healers and claims to converse with them in his dreams. Yeah, in your dreams, Todd!

Todd also mentions a vision from Smith Wigglesworth, but Smith Wigglesworth was not God, and many of his claims under scutiny do not hold out either.

Christ paid the price for our spiritual blessings and access to heavenly things – angels included.

Being blood-bought does not mean that we can see angels at will, or enter into the third heaven at will as taught by Todd and his crowd. We cannot even have visions at will, least of all as guided by men!

Where I would be concerned about angelic revelation as being deceptive or as angels actually being demonic spirits, is where not-yet Christians claim angelic revelation while rejecting the cross of Christ.

Apart from the question, is Todd really a Christian, and does he in fact reject the cross of Christ because of his antichrist and gnostic teachings, this is not the Bible’s point. All visions and revelations – Christian’s or otherwise – have to be tested. They can be deceptive. Paul commands it. John commands it. Todd arrogantly and ignorantly says he is not at all concerned about it. But I thought he said earlier things have to be tested! The Bible also says there are wolves with sheeps clothing, angels of light and false prophets called ‘Christians’ in the church.

What Todd is saying is, Christians, and especially me, cannot be decieved, so go with the flow and accept my  revelation. I am beyond deception. So says the arrogant, decietful and manipulative man who twists the word of God for his own evil ends. But Ah! what shall his end be! He is decieved and a deceiver. If he knew his true end, he would be on his face really crying aloud to God for his mercy and forgiveness.

Furthermore, the Colossians heresy indicates that it is not just pagans who are at harm of accepting the heresy of overly-focussing on angels but the church   were. This is what Paul warned them of.

Rejecting the cross of Christ can be far more sublte that saying ‘I do not believe in the cross’. Rejecting the cross of Christ can be adding onto the finished work by extra works or revelations, putting men into the place of God (eg new prophets and apostles, popes or priests) or replacing or undermining Christ by experiences with angels and talk of portals and ladders.

Angels have a purpose in God’s plan. It shouldn’t come as a surprise to the Body of Christ that an angel, called the “Winds of Change” should usher in a new move of God.

Notice the blanket statement of a prophecy that by admission has not been tested in any way. Who says this about this angel? Who has allegedly seen this angel?  Who even says there is such an angel? Bob Jones says so! And everyone in the prophetic movement agrees with Bob where it suits them. Liars and proven false prophets testify to this angel, but men and women of integrity do not! Why should we believe you or Bob, Todd? You are on record for lying numerous times and evidently have no integrity. Bob Jones is a false prophet. How can anything he  says be trusted to be true, let alone be from God when he prophesies antichrist false things (eg Bob Jones recently said that Jesus shed his blood still once a year as a high priest!)

Undoubtedly angels are involved in God’s purpose as his servants, and minister still to Christians. But that does not mean that Winds of Change is one of God’s angels. Looking at this angel’s alleged nature, and how is he imparted or introduced  through the aberrant false prophet Bob Jones, and what he was allegedly associated with (the 1940s/1950s healing revival with false prophet William Branham) and what he is alleged to be doing (ushering in the Latter Rain) indicates he is NOT one of God’s angels. I, for one, want nothing to do with this supposed ‘new move of God’, as it is not my God this angel serves.

It shouldn’t come as a surprise to the Body of Christ that an angel, called the “Winds of Change” should usher in a new move of God.

Note again the blatant assumption that this should not be a surprise, that this is God’s angel, and this is God’s new move, and the lack of testing.

The new move proclaimed is not from God, it is a Latter Rain antichrist one that elevates false apostles and false prophets all converging with Rome. God through the Holy Spirit ushered in all this church age needs – not angels, least of all called Winds of Change.

If God has chosen to send them to us, it behooves us to welcome their presence as we usher in the presence and move of the Lord

But only Todd and his cronies are saying God has sent these angels to us. Why should we believe him, especially without testing the claims biblically? God has not sent these angels. They are either figments of Bob Jones sick perverted and corrupted mind, passed onto and repeated by corrupted and corrupting career prophets like Patricia King and Todd Bentley, or are demons.

It does not behoove us to welcome in any such angels, particularly not without testing and discernment - rather we should say ‘let this men and their angels be accursed!’ as they preach another gospel and another Jesus. This is not a move of the Lord Jesus.

Of the angels we learn, “He makes His angels winds and His servants flames of fire” (Heb. 1:7, NAS; see also Psalm 104:3, 4). If God has chosen to send them to us, it behooves us to welcome their presence as we usher in the presence and move of the Lord.

We see a manifestation of God’s presence and power by means of “wind and fire” in the New Testament on the day of Pentecost “when suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance” (Acts 2:1-4).

‘He makes His angels winds and His servants flames of fire’ does not mean that the ‘fire’ that fell at pentecost was the presense of angels, or caused by them! This is not just ridiculously bad theology, it is blasphemous and antichrist. The Holy Spirit was the one the came, not angels, or ‘the angel’. Perhaps this is why Todd wants everyone to believe in ‘the angel’ one who who would pretend to be Jesus, or the Holy Spirit.

Some people have even ventured to say that my visions and visitations are false. That’s like telling someone who’s just told you about a dream they had in their sleep that they didn’t really dream it.

No, it’s not at all. It is saying that they are ‘false’ because of their source and their content. In Todd’s case, I venture to say many of his visions and encounters did not occur as well  because of their contradictory and far fetched nature. His multiple versions and spins of the events cannot all be true, and this with his evident lack of understanding indicate he is not even a sincere  but misguided false prophet, but a brazen liar. In his case I am saying of many if not all these things:  ’He did not even dream it, he is inventing it and making it up as he goes along.’ (You can note this too by watching his body language, noting his language (only liars keep adding ‘this is really true!’ and also by using wisdom and discernment – Todd is a bad liar.)

By Todd’s logic again, note again the despising of discernment and testing – he is basically saying: If I said it, not only did it happen in the first place and you cannot dispute it, but it is also true.   Which of course is not true. As people lie. Todd lies. You can dispute it just as a policeman or court disputes a false alibi when the evidence betrays the lie as a lie. 

And even if it did really occur, it still does not make it Godly just because it happened. If someone dreams a dream, it does not make the dream a prophetic dream by default, does it? It is only prophetic if it is prophetic in nature!

In the case of my encounter with Paul the apostle, just as Paul didn’t know if he was in his body or out of his body when he was taken into the third heaven, I don’t know whether my encounter was in a vision or an actual encounter. I do know that it was not of the adversary. God had reason for this experience and for the revelation that transpired from it. These things I cannot refute.

This is the encounter where Todd allegedly met Paul, David and Abraham in heaven here. There are ridiculous, ludicrous images and claims, including that Paul looked like a little pudgy mediveal monk, Abraham was 6ft 5 and Pakistani looking, and that David had long reddish hair and blue eyes and looked just like Jesus. David and Abraham are the true apostolic fathers, according to Todd’s revelation, and Abraham apparently taught Paul in heaven and they co-authored the book of Hebrews together as ’so much of Hebrews is based on other things that you just can’t pull from in other scriptures’.  The revelation then gets all weird with Todd climbing up and down Jacob’s type ladders surrounded by bright colours and rainbows, and pulling back clouds, and bad ideas about what is the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth seventh heaven. Note in all this detailed vision, of Todd’s apparent time in heaven, there is no focus on GOD, let alone on Jesus! We are led to believe Todd went up and had all these experiences and went down again untouched and without being any the wiser about God. All he came back with was a pack of obvious lies, and some self promotion.

I do know that it was not of the adversary. God had reason for this experience and for the revelation that transpired from it. These things I cannot refute.

Who is your adversary, Todd, seeing it is not clear which God you serve? If we take what Todd says on face value, he says he knows  it was not the adversary (without testing) and knows it was from ‘God’ because he experienced it.   This despite its blatant lies and contradictions indicating it cannot  have been from God. Is Todd really that proud and arrogant? I have already detailed how this approach is foolhardy and reckless, even if we accept it really happened as claimed (which I do not).

Todd says – ‘these things I cannot refute’ – well any sane Christian can refute them, if Todd is unprepared to test and weigh them. His vision contradicts the Bible multiple times. It is a lie from a lying spirit (either Todd’s or a demon’s or both). It is not, and cannot, be true and from God.

for the revelation that transpired from it

The revelation is false though and blatantly so. If Todd continues to insist this is GOD then he testifies his GOD is the devil, the father of lies.

My accountability team and I, through careful examination determined that this vision was not outside of God’s realm

Todd has an accountability team? Oh do not make me laugh. That is the craziest thing I have heard. If such a team exists they are as corrupt and biblically illiterate and as godless as he is. But let us not forget his mentor is Bob Jones!

My accountability team and I, through careful examination, determined that this vision was not outside of God’s realm.

But I thought he said that you should not test things or deny another persons’s ‘response from God’ as that grieves the Holy Spirit? How can Todd be ‘accountable’ to anybody when nobody can say of another person’s ’response from God’ it is wrong, as we are all differant and all truth is relative – according to him? And Todd also said he cannot be decieved, and is not concerned by potential deception, so why then weigh anything or subject it to his or anothers’ judgment, if this is the truth? And Todd has specifically stated it is wrong to apply the word of God to such individual’s (especially his)  ‘responses’, so how did this accountability team weigh this vision and decide it is was ‘within God’s realm’ if not by the word of God? By their experiences? But all experiences are different and anything goes and we should not judge them! 

So Todd is contradicting his own doctrine and his own arguments by making this statement that it went through an accountability team. If Todd could not refute his vision or experience, and ‘knew’ it was not the adversary, and Todd only needs to be concerned of demonic counterfeits if not a Christian, then why let this go through an accountability team at all, let alone have an accountability team in the first place? This is a tadd contradictory. And is he could not ‘refute it’ and his accountability team were not yes men on his payroll (if indeed they exist) and if they said it was not of God, would he have refuted it or ignored their criticism like he does us?  [It should be noted that Todd is accountable to not just his accountability team but others in the general body of Christ. I call him to account!]

His talk of ‘accountability’ is just religious deception to try and pull the wool over the undiscerning’s minds. Somebody is lying and decieving here and it ain’t me. What Todd is really saying here is: nobody who comes up with the conclusion that I am false, can come to that conclusion, let alone speak it out  and he has given all sorts of false lying reasons why this is so. He is pretending he is accountable and giving lip service while all the time denying the need for it. The hypocrit and deciever! More double speak and dark sentences from Mr Bentley.

God had a purpose and a plan for the revelation He gave me and it all pointed to Christ.

But none of this vision pointed to Christ. Not even remotely. It was just full of ridiculous obvious lies. It promoted Todd Bentley but Jesus is not even mentioned, let alone worshipped or focussed on. Some of it is even antichrist (eg the talk about Jacob’s ladders Todd climbs up and down and the portals).

An encounter with heaven is an encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ.

So why not mention him then? In another alleged third heaven encounter, all Todd could focus on was the gold and stuffing it in his pockets. That says it all about what god he worships.

Many people don’t see what’s happening in the spirit realm, viewing things only from the physical realm. This is one reason why there’s so much division right now. I have found that many are judging things by what they see or hear in the natural, by their natural senses, to feelings, or without having relevant supernatural experiences themselves.

It is right many people are only viewing things from a non spiritual perspective – but that is his followers. Todd’s critics are those who look beyond the man-made hype and show and lies, and spiritually   discern between good and evil, between true and false. They are ones that rightly use the sword of God to divide between flesh and marrow.

I have found that many are judging things by what they see or hear in the natural, by their natural senses, to feelings, or without having relevant supernatural experiences themselves.

Basically Todd is arrogantly saying if you do not agree with him, you are not spiritual. Even though he contradicts scripture and logic.

But the fact is the critics I know of all criticise spiritually,  using the word of God which is spirit and power, and in some cases use the gifts of wisdom and discernment, prophecy and the distinguishing of spirits. Many of Todd’s critics have supernatural experiences of themselves (although not  of Todd’s lying kind). We believe in the true but we also belive in the counterfeit and so test and weigh. Does Todd never  test and weigh ever, anything, anywhere?

I am a prophet and I prophesy Todd is of the darkness and not the light. But you do not need to be a prophet to know and see what Todd is, just like you do not need to be a prophet to know Joseph Smith or Alaistair Crowley are of the dark one.

They shared that they had to repent for believing in their hearts some of the concerns that they’d heard or read about, without first seeking the Lord about it or attending the outpouring, and experiencing first hand what God was doing here. They were amazed by the power and the glory of God there, and have headed back to Nevada with good reports!

Ah, here is the criticism, how can you know if you have not been there yourself.  This is a ridiculous and lying and unbiblical thing to say. So we have to go to to Todd’s rally to say he is of the devil?   Would you believe us anyway if we did? No, you’d find another excuse to discount our judgments. As it is, many have   been there in person and testify it is not of God and their opinions are still ignored by Todd. 

As for me, I can listen to Todd or watch him on the TV or internet or read his numerous lies, and know he is false, just as I can read other false prophet’s messages and know they are false without meeting them.   Is Todd saying you have to go somewhere and experience  it before God tells you it ain’t right?  Only the devil who promotes sin would say that! I have never been to a witches’ coven or experimented with drugs but know that it ain’t right and will boldly say so. I have never cheated on my husband and do not need to sleep with some fancy man and have experienced adultery before I knock adultery and say it is wrong!

Why would you experient with sin? It is only a son of the devil who says such a thing. If the couple Todd mentions existed, they were seduced by their feelings over truth, just as I might be if I slept with some fancy man and decide it must be right because it felt so good. Sin is like that – seductive.

By the way, Todd, you criticise me and other critics, but you have never been here with me in person and experienced my criticism! Don’t knock me and judge me til you have been here with me in person and experienced first hand what God is doing! Come and get some!

People may see me or others sprawled out on the floor, or in heavenly laughter, or shaking because of the glory and presence of God, but try to look beyond and understand that something’s happening in the spirit, trusting that there’s that other realm that you may not see.

Because there is a spiritual realm, does not mean that everything  that happens at a religious meeting is spiritual.  There is a lot of fleshly behaviour, deliberately manipulated through music under the guise of worship, hype, body gestures, tones of voice, auto suggestion and other trancework and hypnotic suggestions and other ploys. There is also deliberate faking it, and I have seen Todd faking it numerous times. There is also the demonic.

trusting that there’s that other realm that you may not see.

Am I to trust you and take you word for it that Jesus came out of heaven in his chariots, appeared in the clouds, and appeared on stage on June 8th and only you   saw him, Todd? Yeah, right. Pull the other one.

Revival is often messy because there’s a lot happening

This is not revival though they pretend it to be. Besides which true revival is not rotten at its core like this one.

and sometimes it’s hard for people to take in everything they see in the natural.

How patronising! The thing is, is it is NOT hard for people to see it is fake and unbiblical if they will but look – in the natural or supernatural. Todd is mocking the church. It is not hard for me to see what this is about. I understand it only too well. And that is why I warn.

Many come and some do manifest fleshly things,

But Todd just said a minute ago:  but try to look beyond and understand that something’s happening in the spirit, trusting that there’s that other realm that you may not see.   Now we are NOT to trust something spiritual is going on but to understand it may be something fleshly too?  What in Todd? Or others? Or Todd manipulating and hyping others? 

If fleshly behaviour can occur, then why does he never warn the crowd of its possibility if so, but only plays the flesh up with deliberate ploys and hypes it up and rejoices in it? Why does he love and welcome fleshly behaviour (eg pushing people over) pretending that God knocks them over? Why is there so much focus on the flesh – if people do not manifest and go over, Todd and the crowd are not interested. Why does Todd not recognise and welcome the quiet and invisible work of God equal to the noisy and the messy (which I dispute is God but humor him for the sake of this point)?

If fleshly stuff is manifested and a Christian thinks it spiritual, how is this Christian then decieved? I thought that Todd said they could not be decieved and could know  it was of God and undeniable, and they do not to discern or defend the manifestation. Should they have tested the spirits after all? And if they discern their fleshly (or worse demonic) manifestations come after Todd lays his hands on them, then what does it say about Todd and the source of his impartations? And what is then done?

Does Todd ever test for the flesh or for the demonic in himself or others? How is the flesh over the Spirit spotted by anyone? And should people not judge in case they grieve the spirit, according to Todd?

They have claimed if they see fleshly behaviour exhibited at Lakeland they will kick people off stage, but this is absolutely not the truth as they embrace fleshly behaviour and false manifestations, not reject them. And who are they to judge, by their own reckoning, someone else’s ‘response’ from God just because it is different to theirs. They just do not understand it and must not judge! Can you see all the hypocrisy and lies and contradictions here?! They cannot keep their story straight.

but for the most part, everyone is sincere and of good intention at a revival.

Todd isn’t sincere, nor is Stephen Strader. But even if they were sincere, sincerity and good intention is not markers that a revival is a revival and that it is godly. Are Mormons or Catholics or Hare Krishnas and many witches not equally sincere and of good intentions? Sincerity is not the point. Truth is. But truth is in short supply through Bentley at Lakeland.

Trust it’s better to be full of life with a little untidiness than to be dead. Also, trust that God is big. He can handle it and can separate the tares from the wheat.

So Todd is basically saying that unquestionally accept everything he says and imparts as God is big enough. How decieving! A little leaven is commanded not to be tolerated, and this is more than a little leaven, it is whole barrel full of yeast. It is more than untidiness, it is deception and the doctrine of demons.  It is no excuse not to discern or not to weigh things! The church is commanded to pull out the weeds, it is NOT left up to God. And Todd is one huge stinging nettle.

Trust it’s better to be full of life with a little untidiness than to be dead.

Full of life? How can one be full of life by being renewed by the doctrines and impartations of demons? Only Jesus gives life, and most going to this revival know Jesus already but are being led into spiritual adultery with another Jesus and seductive spirits. They actually go to fall away (just as happened with Toronto, many fell away in the years following) and to spiritual death – not to life.  Todd does not have the truth or teach it. Nor does he have life. His end as part of the false prophet is the lake of fire, the same place C Peter Wagner’s beast are destined. Do you really want to follow him there?

Revival shakes paradigms. It doesn’t fit the mainstream Church’s way of thinking. Revival is an upstream move of God that breaks away from the stagnant pools of religion and tradition. Those bound by tradition and inside a paradigm of do’s and don’ts who give way to an upward stream, find transformation, and a new supernatural, empowering paradigm for their lives.

This sounds impressive. I am sure Todd did not write it. Revival may well move away from traditionalism. I do not have a problem because Todd is ‘untraditional’, rather I have a problem with him because he contradicts the timeless word of God and does not testify to my Jesus and my God.

An upward stream. Hmm. Does that mean we should all embrace the antichrist, Todd, and find transformation, and a new supernatural, empowering paradigm for our lives?

Moves of God like this are never normal. Do you think what happened in Acts looked normal to the disciples, or even to the onlookers? Pentecost was way, way out there, pretty far out, and must have caused much talk.

It does not need to be ‘normal’, but it does need to comform to the word of God. Pentecost though appearing ‘far out’ was not – it testified with scripture, and was promised, prophesied and expected. Todd’s words and acts do not, they testify against scripture and true prophecy, blatantly. The fruit of Pentecost were immediately evident and glorified God and empowered the church. Todd’s fruits are only bad and lead to lies and spiritual delusion.

Revival is about new things happening, so it’s important not to be quick to judge.

Actually, it is very important to ‘judge’ its soundness and its spirit and its truth OR reap the aweful consequences. Discerning and judging a prophecy or a prophet is NOT rocket science. It does not take weeks or months, it can be done within hours, or days at most. Sometimes it only takes minutes. Todd only wants people not to judge him so he gets as long a run as possible at pulling the wool over their eyes. I have said it before and I say it again, Todd fears discernment as he and his father get revealed if people test.

Revival is about new things happening, so it’s important not to be quick to judge.

These things are not new. They were there in the associated Toronto Blessing 14 years ago and have followed many false religions and movements for hundreds of years. Also, Todd is NOT new on the scene, nor are his associates. Some people have been weighing him and his associates and their prophecies and their impartations for YEARS. Therefore they are hardly quick to judge.

so it’s important not to be quick to judge.

How long is long enough for a critic to say Todd is false? 14 years? 60 days? And surely by Todd’s reckoning, we not should not judge anyway as that is grieving the Holy Spirit. Please, Todd, which is right? Should we be slow to judge or not judge at all?

so it’s important not to be quick to judge.

If we are to not be quick to judge, surely that means by Todd’s logic, we should not readily accept something, as if we do, we judge it to be right! Surely that means we should be cautious before recieving his impartations? Oh no, but that is not what the hypocrit Todd claims, rather it is only critics   who should not be quick to judge and are to keep quiet. Oh, the hypocrisy of this vile man!

We’re only in our baby stages – and there’s a lot to learn, but what we need now is the support of the Church because unity is crucial.

How can light support darkness? Why would anyone want to support workers of darkness who are greedy and manipulative liars and makes things up as they go along? What Todd wants is unity at the expense of truth and for people to support him anyway. No way! Leave Babylon alone. The chuch should rather be unified against evil doctrine and evil men like Todd.

One of the admitted aims of Todd’s revival is to elevate the false dominionist apostles and prophets who want you to unite with them so they can have power over you. You want to unite with them? Whose agenda is killing (literally) all their critics. That’s loving, isn’t it?

If you cannot understand the supernatural things of God, or even if you disagree or choose to discount or discredit me in any way, then I urge you to look at the fruit

Indeed look at it. Jesus commands us to judge a prophet by his fruit – that is not his ‘goodness’ but whether what he says comes to pass. Todd’s words do not and are not true. You are judged by your bad fruit Todd.

However we can also judge Todd by the evident lack of the fruit of the Holy Spirit – that is his pride, lack of truth, lack of self control, arrogance, hypocrisy, false prophecy, false teaching, false manifestations, false words, mocking God, mocking his saints, lack of discernment, lack of wisdom, lies, contradictions, cover ups, deception, brazenness, antichrist teaching, over focus on angels, no fear of God. The numerous lies alone show Todd is not a man of God. Nobody can dispute the lies or cover ups – they are well documented.

If you’re watching out a window from a distance and see a child running around a busy street and in obvious danger of being hit, but see someone close-by who could help, what would you do? Would you first judge the person to determine if he or she is “fit” enough or qualified to lend assistance, in your eyes? Would you check to see that the person is wearing an “S” for “Superman” on his shirt? Would you wait for the right person to come along that fits your mold, or would you throw open the window and yell, “That child – save that child!”

How can someone save ’the child’ who does not teach the truth or lead to the real Jesus. Todd is basically saying, do not care about the lies, and deception, do not stop to check, flow with me as they are real conversions I am having. But Todd’s gospel is not real, so while some may be genuinely saved in spite of Todd, there are many more false conversions. False prophets get plenty of converts to a false ear-tickling message! And, even if there are true conversions through a false teacher or prophet, it is no excuse not to rebuke a false prophet or false teacher for their falseness. If this was not true, the early church would have been commanded to unite with the false instead of remove themselves from it. And they would not have been commanded to weed out the leaven and to vigorously contend with men like Todd who are deceived and decievers.

would you throw open the window and yell, “That child – save that child!”

What about the importance of watchmen saving the child from wolves like Todd? Yet when we watchmen open up the window and yell save the child, we are told we are not being loving! Hypocrits!

Please. Our mission is to save the lost. Period. Everything that is happening at Lakeland is to that end.

No it is not, and even those at Lakeland no this is not what it is really about. Who is Todd trying to kid?  It is actually about money.

You may not understand some of the things that you see. It may be out of your paradigm or traditional way of thinking, but trust that if God didn’t want this to happen that He is more than capable of shutting it down single-handedly without the help of man

Notice yet again the suggestion those that doubt or criticise Todd do not ‘understand it’. We understand it is false!

You may not understand some of the things that you see. It may be out of your paradigm or traditional way of thinking, but trust that if God didn’t want this to happen that He is more than capable of shutting it down single-handedly without the help of man

God is more than capable of stopping anything. And He will. But he allows sin to remains – does this mean by Todd’s logic that sin is Ok as if it is no of God it will stop it? How ridiculous. The church should not tolerate sin or falseness.  They should do THEIR bit to deal with it. You don’t just let this be and let it get on with it unrebuked. Todd wishes!

If you saw a child being abused before your eyes, would you let it continue, as ‘if it is not of God, God will stop it and shut the abuse down?’ Of course not! And would anyone say you were being ‘religious’ and ‘unloving’ for jumping into save the child? No, nobody but the abuser would say such a thing!

Jumping into rivers of condemnation, disapproval, even censure before experiencing things for yourself could make you responsible for the loss of the one who may have come to the Lord but for quick judgments or criticisms. God is doing new things! Church history should never be used as a blueprint for experiences or beliefs, that’s what the Word of God is for.

Ah, there we go again, if you have not experienced it you cannot knock it. Jesus did not ‘experience’ sin but he knocked it!

Jumping into rivers of condemnation, disapproval, even censure before experiencing things for yourself could make you responsible for the loss of the one who may have come to the Lord but for quick judgments or criticisms.

If Todd does not like censure, why is it that the only place one sees two sided arguments about this ‘revival’ is on sites like this? His sites ban anybody immediately who so much as says ‘do you test the spirits’. He is the only one afraid of the truth. We are not.

Jumping into rivers of condemnation, disapproval, even censure before experiencing things for yourself could make you responsible for the loss of the one who may have come to the Lord but for quick judgments or criticisms.

Note his colourful language of the critics, and again the assertion that they are ‘quick’ to judge (and therefore wrong in their assumption as they have not been there). Note too the manipulation and the fear tactics – if you dare say that I am false, somebody may not come to the Lord because of it.   How manipulative, and also how untrue! These are not the words of a man of God but a man of the devil who does not want to be exposed. They are not the words of a man who cares for souls, but only the words of a man who cares about one soul – his own (but not enough, as he sold it to the devil and is stupid it enough to believe the lies Satan told him). They are like the words of a cult leader. They are controlling, they are abusive, they are threatening.

This move of God may not fit your perception of revival, especially if you are basing it on previous revivals, or even on the traditions of the Church. So too, I likely don’t fit the mold of the traditional evangelist. Jesus used the Pharisees’ disapproval as an opportunity to teach why it was important that He didn’t fit into their mold. First, He used the metaphor of the patched garments and said “No one tears a patch from a new garment and sews it on an old one. If he does, he will have torn the new garment, and the patch from the new will not match the old” (Luke 5:36). To try to attach a new, unshrunk garment to the old will not only tear and destroy the new but also the old won’t look right and will eventually tear again. Jesus contrasted the old and new again with a parable about new wine and old, saying that if a person pours new wine into old wineskins the new wine will burst the skins, the wine will run out, and the wineskins would ruin (Luke 5:37, 38).

Todd is not like a new patch or new wine, and these scriptures are of course misapplied as they are about the New Covenant and not the Old Covenant. Todd is a false prophet and liar – there is nothing new about that.

However, the condition of the heart is what truly allies us with Him. This I’ve stressed repeatedly in my ministry. The heart changes when someone spends much time with the Lord. This is the foundation of my ministry and my walk with Jesus. From the outset of my salvation, my ministry, and even today, I spend hours in the secret place of His presence. I seek Him and His will for every meeting. My team here at Lakeland knows that several hours of every afternoon; before every meeting, I’m not to be disturbed as I spend time with Jesus.

Note the arrogance and the boasting and the ‘I’m better than you’. Todd claims  he spends hours with God – we should believe him because he tells us, just like he tells us he has visions he does not have – and he says he seeks God’s will, YET he repeatedly lies and denies God’s will, and contradicts God’s will and disobeys Him and his heart is full of greed and manipulation. This just does not add up.

Spend time in His presence and you won’t be as resistant to change. You won’t be afraid to be a new wineskin, God’s present wineskin. You won’t even be the same wineskin as tomorrow, because with God wineskins are new and newer. New wineskins won’t limit God or what He can do.

The power of suggestion planting an idea of what God will and will not reveal to us about Todd. If you weigh Todd up by the BIBLE and not just by empty headed soaking (note Todd does not mention using the word here) then he is revealed as false.

I am not afraid of change. Change is desperately needed in today’s church. But not the change that Todd pushes – he is poison as are his impartation, which lead only to more diseases in the long run and a new plague of sicknesses in America and the Western world.

We do not need the new wineskin – as by that the new apostles and prophets mean their new revelation and leadership surplanting and contradicting the word of God. This is not a new age and new era! It is the same wineskin as at pentecost, and I will cling to and embrace the word of God for it is worthy and reliable – unlike Todd.

New wineskins won’t limit God or what He can do.

By that Todd is meaning, will not criticise him!

I asked my staff to remove from our website, articles that are causing such strife and division and deterring the Body from the very real and pressing focus of these last days.

The liar! He removed them because they embrassed him and showed him up! He was told not to mention certain things like Emma again, she was embrassing, and he has since spoken out certain deliberate lies about what he does and does not believe about angel Emma  - anything but the truth as an attempt to cover up. The truth is, despite the lies, and the attempted cover ups and damage limitation, Todd is still being shown up across the internet.

I asked my staff to remove from our website, articles that are causing such strife and division

The hypocrit! He is making out he is so godly by doing this! No he only covers up for himself and is looking after number one (clue, that is not Jesus for Him). If his teachings are causing strife and division, whose fault is it? The teacher, I suggest!  It is quite simple really. Avoid and do not tolerate false prophets and teachers like Todd. Rightly divide truth and error and kick Todd out of the church arena.

Again I emphasize, it’s good and right to search out the Truth and to discern the spirits

But err, Todd said, if we stop to test it, we’ll miss it, and we should not have to defend the manifestations as they are proof within themselves of the gospel. Todd extols the benefits of extra biblical thinking, preaching ‘greater things’ and ‘new wineskins’. He says we should not test as it would grieve the Holy Spirit and also says it is wrong to apply God’s word to our relationship and experiences and it cannot be demons if we are Christians. And we can trust it is spiritual. And it is better to be alive and decieved than dead and revival is messy and veryone is sincere, and God will put a stop it if it is wrong. And we should not judge. And some people may not get saved if we criticise – blah blah blah,  you know.

So Todd did not really say it and Todd does not really mean it either.

it’s also important to do so outside of one’s comfortable box, not mistaking discomfort for discernment

Sly! He is again implanting the idea that critics are uncomfortable because it is outside their box, not because they have spiritually discerned it is demonic and unscriptural. Consider this – it is outside many Christian’s box they can be decieved. But they need to get out of their false box and false comfort zone and wake up!

Realize also, that if you spend time in His presence, in fellowship with Him, and if daily, you put on the full armor of God and spend time in His Word; you’ll be more comfortable erring on the side of extravagance rather than quench the Spirit. A body of believers without the Holy Spirit is a breathless, lifeless body.

So Todd is saying we cannot be decieved if we soak. (Note the emphasis on relationship over the word of God). But the full armour includes  the word of God which Todd says is wrong to use to discern or apply to this soaking or relationship.

you’ll be more comfortable erring on the side of extravagance rather than quench the Spirit.

No true and obedient and Spirit-led believer will be comfortable accepting anything without due care and consideration. Only Todd would teach garbage like this. It is quenching the Spirit to accept the false without due care or discernement. It is quenching the Spirit to ignore his breathed and inspired word.

A body of believers without the Holy Spirit is a breathless, lifeless body.

But all true believers have the Holy Spirit and are alive in Christ. Rather here Todd must be talking about another  Holy Spirit here and another Jesus (a blasphemous Latter rain one)  present only in Todd’s manifestations and words and hotspots and through his impartations. His kind of manifestations make believers ‘alive’ (but really dead) but are not God’s. What a dangerous liar Todd is.

I would say here: A body of believers without the Holy Spirit’s WORDS, or consideration for them, are lost, apostate and decieved.

I am accountable to God, and to those who He has sent to me to speak wisdom into my life and ministry – (I submit to an accountability team that comprises my pastor and spiritual overseers from varying backgrounds and denominations). They have not discounted the things that the Lord has shown me just because they don’t fit the mold of tradition or the old wineskins that some are carrying. The dreams, visions, and experiences that I’ve brought forth have been solely for ministering to the Body of Christ. My experiences have made me even hungrier and more zealous for God. That hunger transfers into a hunger to see others experience what I know to be true. They’ve been substantiated through the Word of God in principle, and accepted and given the go-ahead by my accountability team.

His accountability team includes Denny Cline of Albany Vineyard to which Steve Schulz of the sell-a-false-prophecy Elijah List goes to. Bob Jones and Patricia King include his other mentors. Say no more. The blind and the blinding leading the blind and the blinding. And like I said before, if Todd insists he cannot be decieved and he knows the visions to be true etc etc then why even submit his visions to others scrutiny?! It is rubbish said to try and get people to believe that he is theologically ok and sound really!

   I also have an entire department of our ministry devoted to intercession

Do you know these intercessors are intercessors for hire? And besides which, how does that make Todd ‘accountable’ let alone correct in what he says. They are on his payroll, not vice versa.

Certainly, some people may not understand the visions God has given me, just as I may not understand theirs, but I’ll always hold and stand firm on the truths and the promises He’s given me because He lines them up in my life with the Word.

This sounds very pretty but it is blatantly untrue. We understand Todd’s visions only too well – they are false!

We have to be immersed people. I want to be saturated with everything that God has for me – including dreams, visions, miracles, signs, wonders, and everything accessible to me as a child of God in the supernatural realm of His kingdom. I want the same for you, and so does God.

But the thing is what you prophesy, Todd, is not of God, nor are your impartations genuine - so what are you and Bob Jones ’immersed’ in, apart from manure up to your necks?

People may criticize me for my boldness and zeal, for my methods and ways, for my intensity and urgency

Making it up as he goes along. I do not know anybody who criticises Todd for his boldness or zeal, his intensity or urgency.  His methods and ways, yes, as they are false and belong to a charlatan and liar.

Walking in communion with God and in the reality of heaven on earth is the distance to aim and reach for but you have to be open to the impossible happening, even if it bursts your wineskin.

What Todd is actually saying here is, ignore the word of God, do not criticise me and go with the flow and enjoy these experiences. It’s all Ok, you can trust me, I am accountable! I cannot be decieved, I spend hours with God and know more than you and am more enlightened. Those who criticise me just don’t understand and are just being religious and will miss it. Go with the new. It’s Ok I promise. And sow a seed to me while you are at it. I am a humble modest man who would not misuse your money and would never lie to you about drawing a ‘modest’ salary either!

God uses the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. For some reason, He’s chosen a bald-headed, red-bearded, tattooed, pierced, imperfect man as an agent for revival.

Nope, an overweight balding, boring looking, bland and blond false prophet decided to restyle himself only a few years ago and get tattoos and piercings – these help deflect the criticism as he says we do not like him because of how he looks. He then decided (with the help of other false prophets and apostles and a television station that love money and false prophets) to invent and then to hype up a false revival for his own agenda. Who says God was involved anywhere?

I pray you can see past my imperfections and gaze at the perfection of Christ Jesus. Break through your old wineskin and into the present one. Trust the wisdom of God and His hand in all of this.

But the Bible commands us not to have anything to do with greedy liars and decievers. Nowhere in scripture are we to ignore the sort of ‘imperfections’ (which are deliberate charlatanism) as are evident in and through Todd. This is not about imperfection, but about a lying false prophet prophesying by lying spirits and handing out decietful and demonic teachings and impartations, and being greedy and manipulative with money. That’s a big deal. Todd says to trust the wisdom of God in this, and by that he means, leave me alone, and let me get on with it!   but the wisdom of God in the bible says the opposite - rebuke, contend with, have nothing to do with him, it commands, and mark men such as him.

Trust too what a respected Pharisee advised in Acts 5:38, 39: “And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow it – lest you even be found to fight against God.”

The Gamaliel Approach. Should have known that was coming! ‘A respected pharisee’ who was a persecutor and actually publically judged the apostles and whipped them and commanded them not to mention the name of Jesus again! So going by Todd’s standards we should judge him and rebuke him and whip him and command him not to mention the name of Jesus? Yes, that is scriptural! Todd, you hypocrit, the only thing you have in common with Gamaliel is that you HATE the true brethren, just like your father, the father of lies. And you aim to silence them just the same.

 I understand that people have questions, and God understands too!

Err, yeah, but how about honestly answering these questions instead of evading them, ignoring them, throwing up diversions, putting other spins on them, directly lying and contradicting yourself? Is that too much to ask?!!

I invite you to come to Lakeland to see what God has for you, and to see for yourself the mighty and wondrous things that God is doing here.

So ultimately that is all it comes down to for Todd, come and see,  come and feel,  come and get some!  But what about the truth? He cannot even agree with himself, and contradicts himself too many times to count!

And what then also of people like me (there are others too) who claim to see visions that Todd belongs to the evil one? Should these visions not equally be accepted if we are to accept all revelations from God and anything goes as God’s response to us?

Todd includes a 55 page booklet by a Dr Gary Grieg (yes, he made sure it was from a ‘Dr’ so it looked like it must be true) which is about as unbiblical and trashy and contradictory as he is. That and its contents will have to wait til another post though. (Update - Jacob Prasch’s response to Greig’s defense is  here)

All Todd Bentley and Lakeland articles here