Bob Jones Shepherd’s Rod Prediction and The Annual “Jesus” Bloodshedding

Steve Schultz, founder of the Elijah List, interviews Bob Jones on Prophetic TV last year. My comments are in brackets and italics.

Brief transcript of this video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdl0dnXexRE&feature=related

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[Rather than correct this poor thinking, bad theology and ignorant notion of God, the Elijah List capitalise on it and market it. They want people to be dependent on them and their prophets for spiritual kicks - otherwise they will be out of a job!]

Start of interview:- 

Steve Schulz: “Bob Jones, a veteran prophet, who I consider to be a friend as well as prophetic seer….and Larry Randolph a prophetic seer and great friend, great guy. Larry is here to sort of interpret Bob in case he starts talking about (….elephants??…) and that kind of thing.”

[End times note: Does this mean Bob Jones needs someone to reign him in case he goes too far or flaky?  But he does way go to far and flaky in this interview and nobody corrects him or reigns in him. Steve Schulz is rather enraptured at Bob Jones' dark sayings]

Larry Randolph: (approx 5.40 minutes) ’The Lord talks to Bob in dark sayings, scripture talks about parables and dark sayings….

[End times note: Bob Jones is 'dark' all right - scripture says the antichrist will speak in dark sentences]

Bob Jones: (7.02 mins) Bob Jones claims with zero substantiation that when God really  gives a word, all hell breaks loose to attack it - the more clear the word, more clear the trial. (7.18 min)… every times I’ve seen a real accurate prophecy like that, a one hundred percenter, I’ll go along with them (the person the word is to) and say you better not give up as the enemy is going to do everything he can to stop it.

[End times note: But ALL prophecy should be a 'one hundred percenter' - or at least aimed at. And if Bob Jones recognises that there is a recognisable difference at the time of his reciept of a vision between a one hundred percenter and a nought percenter, fifty percenter or even a seventy or eighty percenter, then he should not speak the percentage he is aware of in the flesh and endeavor keep it one hundred percent pure and of God, and just speaks out what he knows to be 100% of God. Otherwise he is testifying and admitting that he prophesies in the flesh - a huge no, no. (I am humoring him for the sake of argument here, as Bob Jones does NOT speak for God because of the audacious things he prophesies, even if he is ever accurate - which he rarely is except the self-fulfilled words put into motion for him by the apostolic-prophetic movement like their clammering to get to Lakeland on June 23rd, the date Bob Jones just so happened to prophesy the glory would get stronger - a pure coincidence we are assured by Che Ahn. Yeah, right, just like Toronto was a coincidentental timing to match Bob's prophecies...!]

(8.30 min) Bob Jones says the Elijah List are dangerous to the enemy so are attacked by the evil one!

(9.20 min) The shepherd’s rod.

Bob Jones: Back in the 1970s a priest began to appear to me and give me information of what was going to happen the next year – and he kept asking me, did I know who he was. After three or four years I said ‘no, I know you’re Jesus but I don’t know who…’

[So we are supposed to believe that Bob Jones did not reply to this priest for 3 or 4 years even though this priest in this divine visitation directly kept asking him who he thought He was?  And more worrying than that that that Bob Jones listens to 'spirit beings' without asking their identity or testing them?

And what on earth is ''no, I know you're Jesus but I don't know who...'" supposed to mean?!  How many Jesus's does Bob know? (or not know as the case may be]

…. and he kept speaking Heb 6.5 to me… and Heb 5.6 a priest like unto Melchelzideck – and he began to show that this priest still comes ….

[Yet Jesus is no longer a high priest in this sense. He has already MADE intercession once and for all - past tense, says Hebrews - through his death on the cross. Though that sacrifice and offering is still now open and valid for all who will come and repent and believe, Jesus is no longer working in that priest's role, as he is now resurrected and glorified! The past work acts as a continual intercession before God, not Jesus's continued actions still.]

this priest still comes on the day of atonement …

[note all the prophetic-apostolic's enrapturement with Hebrew dates. Only one day of atonement is relevant for us, the day Jesus blood was spilt nearly two thousand years ago. Each subsequent day of atonement has no more relevance to us or specialness then than any other day - unless we wish to keep it as a festival of remembrance. But is is not a more anointed or special day as Bob is claiming here, or a day that Jesus does anything uniquely special to help us....]

and goes into the holiest of holies ….

[The Holy of Holies under the Old Covenant is obsolete, as after Christ's death on the cross, the veil to this sacred place was ripped in two, thereby indicating that man could now boldly enter this place and approach the throne of God with no other need of a priest or mediator than Christ Jesus's body as that curtain/veil.

In the New Covenant, the Holy of Holies is the place where God dwells. If Bob Jones is suggesting the Holy of Holies is some sort of physical heavenly place, how can Jesus 'go into' the place where God dwells in the heavenlies when He is God anyway?  And bearing in mind His continued status on the throne of heaven, how can He go 'into' something that He already is in and glorified in at that? Is Bob Jones suggesting that Jesus is not constantly in the most holy place in heaven?

The word of God indicates that the Holy of Holies is within us as we believers are now the temple of God by His Spirit. If Bob Jones is suggesting Jesus enters us each year, this is heresy, as Christ is with us always from conversion and has no need to re-enter us in this sense.]

and offers up his blood for our sins ….

[This is an incredible heresy - it denies Christ's all sufficient work and it denies the power of the blood of Jesus and the cross! Bob Jones is claiming that Jesus is in some sense re-crucified each year on the day of atonement in some mysterious Holy of Holies. Apparently Christ's death and ressurrection the first time around was not enough, and Christ was lying when he said 'it is finished'. Finished til just next year, eh? Does this 'Jesus but I don't know who' get resurrected each year too, Bob? 

It is incredible that Bob Jones is so well viewed in parts of hoodwinked Christiandom as this most be the worst thing I have heard Bob Jones say out of lots of crazy things. It is not Christianity, it is another Jesus and antichrist.]

and guaranteeing us one more year of life.

[but the one-off shed blood of Jesus does not guarantee Christians one more year of life. It guarantees forgiveness of sins and eternal life but not immortality on earth without tasting death as Christians still die physically]

And Lev 27:32, all the sheep pass under the shepherd’s rod on the day of atonement. 10% are marked holy unto the Lord.

[huh! This is crazy! All Christ's sheep are holy, not just 10% of them. Bob Jones is focussed on Old Testament types and shadows that have long since past away, and wrongly interpreting them at that.]

So their destiny is marked for that year. 

[Our destiny is marked by Christ's continually giving himself and shedding his blood on the day of atonement?  Is our destiny not rather marked before even the creation of the world culminating in the one off spilling of blood on the cross?]

We become a living sacrifice and every year we still go under that shepherds rod on the day of atonement and the Lord marks us for service.

[But I thought that Bob Jones was saying Jesus was the yearly sacrifice. Now we are becoming the yearly sacrifice according to Jones?! Do we spill our blood too while we are at it? 

Romans 12:1 indicates that our continued submission to God is as a living sacrifice, not by spilling of our blood in this sense but by odedience and dedication or a life laid down in service - and this is a continual thing, not just once a year, that WE do as an act of our wills, not that God does for us, although we are continually helped by the Holy Spirit.  We are marked for service by this dedication and obedience co-ordinated with God's Will - not some silly yearly ritual]

Read Leviticus. Every place you see that He is within us that there is maturity He opens up destiny. And Ezekiel 21:37 he says ‘who really goes there’, he says ‘we the people go under that rod every year’.

[Maturity does not open up destiny - Christ does. And Christ does not just use us when we are mature, and none of us are fully mature anyway this side of eternity. In fact going by this thinking, it is the immature parts that God often opens up to work on and develop character]

We are evaluated or devaluated every year for promotion or demotion.

[Promoted and Demoted to what?!]

It’s not like we can lose our salvation

- it is always day of atonment as per Hebrew calendar.

(12.15) I believe everyone should really seek the Lord on that night, 6 in the evening til 6 the next evening, with pencil and piece of paper… .and He is going to give them intructions for the next year

[So once a year is a special prophetic time to get instructions for the whole of the next year? What twaddle!]

Bob Jones then goes on to say that God took away the ’glory’ in 1977 because people marketed it. He took the white light away til now in 2007….He gave it back apparently because of new hunger and new morals in the leaders with such a hunger that they will never market it again. 

[!!!!!! ha ha ha! this is very droll - he is being interviewed by Mr Merchandiser himself, Steve Schulz of the Elijah List

Note too that once again Bob Jones demonstrates that he is false as who has marketed the alleged glory that we know recently that obviously lacks morals and character despite his claims to virtual perfection....??]

(18.58 min) Larry Randolph says the new glory means people will be sealed on the forehead   ‘holiness unto the Lord’. 

Bob claims that 27 people praying together powerfully is very significant number and 27 is the spiritual number of New Jerusalem.

[Note this is ridiculous, superstitious and unbiblical! Sure, 27 is good, but 2 and 3 or 22 and 14 and any other number is a good number too.

Is this 27 claim why on Todd's commissioning night by the new apostles they claimed their 27th resurrection?]

Steve Schulz seems really shocked and amazed on this video that 27 Christians praying together are more powerful than all the muslim world praying on Ramadan!   He is ’surprised’ by this revelation? One Christian praying is more powerful that any numbers of Muslims or JW or pagans praying! Just one.  Is Schulzy really that ignorant about prayer and the uniqueness of Christ and the power of the name of Jesus?

Lastly, right at the end of video, the scripture ‘you will know the truth and it will set you free’ is blatantly distorted and applied for the last days ONLY.]