The following is from C Peter Wagner’s website from around about one month ago. My comments are in italics underneath his comments.
“We have just returned from “opening the West Gate” in Seattle. Oh my! These “Opening the Gate” gatherings are just incredible. Different regions in our nation have different anointings and callings.”
[End times note - They do?! Yet the Bible says there is only one true anointing, so how can men, let alone regions have different anointings? The Bible also shows this anointing comes upon men's flesh upon acceptance of Christ. The 'anointing' does not come upon physical plots of land, cities, regions or nations, nor does it come without direct acts of the will being involved. A plot of land does not have a calling, though the peoples of every tribe, nation and tongue that walk on it and dwell on it sure do.]
“We at Global Harvest Ministries felt it was strategic to gather in the Northeastern area of our nation to cry out for the gates of Heaven and Earth to align.”
[End times note - yet the real gate between heaven and earth 'aligned' itself two thousand years ago when Christ died on the cross and then rose again from the dead. Christ became the ladder bridging heaven and earth, and the true gate that man on earth may know the Father and enter heaven by.
Why then do we need another 'gate' or multiple gates, let alone should we meet with the new apostles to cry out for the gates (plural) of heaven and earth to realign when there is no need for it? Christ's work is done and more than sufficient. We need only lead men to Him, that gate. As stated before in the article here extra gates, hubs and ladders are antichrist as they take away from Jesus being the only way, truth and life.
It should also be noted that the realignment is with them, the new apostles.
Note too, the emphasis by Wagner's associates on being in a certain region to be able to have more power over that area in prayer/spiritual warfare. This is unbiblical and superstitious and is more akin to the occult (as is the talk of gates) than Christianity.]
“Knowing this will help unlock the ancient sounds and paths in this nation that will produce wealth and dominion for the future generations…”
[End times note - this sounds extremely gnostic.
Also the way to advance the kingdom of God is to preach the word and do acts of service, and bring in one man at a time into the kingdom. If Wagner truly wants the kingdom of God to be expanded, then he would call the church to repentence, dedicaton, holiness, a rejection of mammon, a love of the word of the Bible and boldness in speaking the word, and to do acts of service - all with the Holy Spirit's empowerment and guidance - not to gnostically spend time in fantasy land 'unlocking' so called doors and gates in order to advance his own agenda which is focussed on mammon (production of wealth, when Christ calls to give away wealth, and not chase after it like the pagans do) and also demands dominion - Peter Wagner's aka Petrus Romanus' dominion with his own spiritually abusive, controlling and unbiblical false apostles and false prophets - aka the beast with his false prophet.]
“….. we would like to invite you to join us in Dearborn, Michigan for what we are calling Opening the Gate of Change to the Nations. Dearborn has the largest population of Muslims outside of the Middle East. Therefore, we will be there to pray and prophesy to the nations!
This is a year to open the gates. Most of us think that the gate is a physical place that will appear in front of you.”
[End times note - err, no!]
“However, the first gate we must go through is Heaven’s Gate! This is where we enter boldly into the Throne Room and receive super-abounding grace …”
[End times note - didn't we do this when we accepted Christ? This offer and this gate has been open for 2000 years, why speak about something as fundamental as this as if it is future tense, unless you plan to alter the gate to heaven or amend it?]
“so we can leap through the place of the “new” in the earth!”
[End times note - what's new except their own words and agendas that has no place in God's word or God's agenda?]
“Consequently, on July 24-26, we will be convening a gathering in Dearborn to open the gate of change to realign the nations.”
[End times note - this means realign the nations under THEIR apostolic authority not under Christ's authority.]
“Speakers include Peter Wagner, Chuck Pierce, Barbara Yoder, Pat Francis, and Cindy Jacobs.
[End times note - that is all the new apostles and/or prophets]
“In this year to open the gates, one gate that we must swing wide is the gate of change. One can hardly turn on the news without hearing change used like a buzzword for what will save this nation. As the Body of Christ, we do not seek change for the sake of change, but so that God’s presence can manifest in a new way.”
[End times note - what's wrong with the old way? Christ's gospel is more than sufficient to change any man! C Peter Wagner would say however, that the old way, the old winekin is not good enough and the new winekin, the new apostles and their prophets are what is needed to bring change by demanding physical control in every aspect - media, finance, political as well as the church. This is antichrist.]
“The declarations and worship that we release literally change the atmosphere around us.”
[End times note - this is what the spiritual warfare people have claimed for years but it is proven to be a lie as it is compeltely untrue! The world has got worse and not better - for all their third wave binding and loosing and prophesying and declarations over the years, nothing has been achieved except false prophecy, delusion, deception, an elevation of these false prophets, dominionist apostles and dominion theology, and crucially, a lot of time being wasted in a grand diversion when instead during this time the gospel could have been preached and proper prayer could have been made to God and people could have been really saved and transformed for the better and not the worse.]
“Detroit is a key city with a distinct sound and expression that influences the very heart of our nation.”
[End times note - so because Detroit is music city that has impacted the American culture, then it has somehow a spiritual sound to unlock to impact America? Therefore, also, it will be a more powerful place to pray in to achieve their end result?! This is sheer nonsense, and the doctrine of demons.]
“This Metroplex also exemplifies a convergence of cultures and nations.
While we are together, we want to unlock the winds from the North. Biblically, the north wind is an awakening wind.”
[End times note - The North Wind is not an awakening wind in the sense C Peter Wagner means it, it is an ungodly wind of destruction. The North Wind/army of the North are consistently always in scripture enemies of God, and the army of Babylon. Joel's Army is also a devasting army from the North but made up of demonic and not godly hoardes.
The North Wind being called upon, testifies that C Peter Wagner and his New Apostolic Reformation and his false prophet mouthpiece consistently testify and prophesy to their true nature (if we could not already see it) - that is, they are enemies and not friends of God and are linked to Babylon. 'Come out of her my people!' cries God, 'Come out!'
These new wave prophets and apostles aim to 'unlock' the forces of Babylon upon the true church and devastate them (their civil war prophecies also make this clear when they speak of the coming war as they see it between the blues and the grays, between the new prophets who trample on scripture and the apostles who demand unthinking and unquestioning obedience, against the true bible believers. Rick Joyner and others are referencing these revelations more and more in our times. Read here if you have not already about Joel's Army and Civil War agendas.
Last July I saw affliction coming onto the church and a great falling away - (see whole prophecy here) -
'I then saw a large army rushing forward, dressed in black armour, their helmets were affiliated to evil, they were rushing en-masse, pressing down and swooping down - God called it an ‘army from the North’* rushing down in a semi-circular formation - like a hurricane formation - and then it came too from the East so it was like a North East wave, momentus in its force, and it looked like it was coming down upon the map of the USA (the ’seat’ of 21st century lukewarm Christianity?) over from the North and then the East. ‘The army will be like bees,’ said God, ‘with a sting in their tail’. Just like God allowed pharoah and other ungodly kings to bring judgment upon Israel - in order that they may repent and come back to Him - so He would use ungodly forces to bring affliction upon the modern day church if they did not repent and become hot.'
Coming from The North and from the East describes Todd Bentley and Lakeland, doesn't it? The poisoned pond prophecy here could be a metaphorical 'Lake' as a play on words with 'Lakeland' - note how the "Joel's army" poisons, infiltates, pollutes and attempts to gain dominion and squeeze the life and the goodness from within the church 'lake' - and more than that, in time it becomes a menacing force bringing fear and intimidation against the 'good' part of the church.
See also this here about the corrupt greedy power hungry dominionist church plotting for power, pushing a dark army and their being empowered by the dragon with real spiritual power (albeit dark) as he comes to unleash his anger upon the world. Note also the connection with them to Rome.
Then see this here, I got only only days before ‘revival’ hit Lakeland. Note the dark locusts of Joel are destroying the church from within through hiding within the Trojan's Horse accepted into the camp as enticing spiritual gifts. The church would first try to be won over by apparent niceness from the enemy within, before outright hostility and war. I also saw the pretender come very soon. "In the Last Days, this false Prince, this pretender, will make War against the Saints and overcome them - but don’t you know, the way to first make war is to pretend you are on the other party’s side and undermine them or convert them to your cause." ]
“We also know that in addition to being quickened, you need to be strengthened to go through the gates.
[End times note: you need to be strengthened by them to go through Christ Jesus?]
“Therefore, we will have personal ministry to help you advance. So come with a mind and heart to:
• Understand the changing Church and how the Kingdom will advance!
• Understand wealth strategies as we connect Earth with Heaven and release Kingdom strategies of increase!
[End times note 'we' rather than Christ, really says it all]
• Receive revelation that will cause you to think critically in critical times! (the Mind War)
[End times note: but no discernment and no testing of the spirits. Most of the time, in fact they command people to let go of their minds and to not think and to go with the flow of what they say. Thinking critically for them is obeying them implicity, not thinking for oneself and jumping when they say jump. And speaking out is an absolute no no for them.
Furthermore the new revelation they get directly contradicts scripture, so what does this say about the source of the revelation and the agenda of the people that promote it?]
• See how the iniquities in your blood resist change! (the Blood War)
• Pray in a way to reorder your day and the atmosphere around you. (the Time War)
• Determine how the Lampstand of your region is burning! (the Presence and Glory War)
[End times note: the lampstand is the church and not a region]
• Understand the Wealth and Power Wars that are occurring in the earth as NATIONS Realign!
[End times note: realign and come under Wagner's bunch that is]
• Receive a new strength to keep praying and prophesying until the harvest is secured!”
[End times note: a false harvest under them - with false prophesying]
Interesting as the Jesus says of His church of true Revelators: “AND THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT!!!”
Also, Seattle area is a major espionage entry point for China against the U.S.
USAF pilots have been blinded there by lasers pointed into the cockpits.
Major submarine station there.
C PETER WAGNER STOP HELPING THE ENEMY DESTROY THE US AND THE WEST, in the name of GOD.
The bad leaven is rising in Wagner, which is good, as anyone who was double-minded previously as to whether his ministry is of God certainly now would be convinced by this writing that he is very off.
The good leaven in the saints means they get better and better over time, they become progressively more conformed to Christ in Spirit and the Truth of His Word.
The bad leaven in the disqualified means they progressively get worse and worse, their life and teachings just get nuttier and more “out there” as they get older.
TB and his motley crew will be coming to my city, Louisville, Kentucky on the 17th of July. I don’t think the 17th is a coincidence. If you do a search on William Branham and the number 17, you will find that Branham saw the number 17 important as it refers to “angels.” If you notice on the video of TB calling out angels, chanting over and over, he says it 17 times. A coincidence? Only God knows. But I believe TB knows exactly what he is doing. I am asking everyone to start praying for my city. This “opening of gates” is demonic and is meant to bring down demons.
Call me crazy, call me anything, but I am convinced there are witches and Satanists in this “revival.” If I am blaspheming the Holy name of Jesus or the Holy Ghost, God have mercy on me. But I am convinced I am not. God knows who they are.
Tod Bentley is a bully and not of God. Jesus said, “I am gentle and lowly.” That is so far removed for what I see coming out of this occult invasion into the church, with TB punching sick people. Jesus said, “Come unto me and I will give you rest.” Not, “Come to me, but be careful I may have to punch you in the stomach.” We are watching such a huge mockery of the Holy Ghost and the harlot loves it so!
I am convinced the time of playing church is over, the time of heaping up teachers is over, the time of just letting things slide for the sake of “peace” is over, so much is over now. The playground that the church has been playing on for the past few decades is now a battlefield. We must be bathed in the Word of God, putting on the whole armour of God, pick up our cross and follow the real Jesus. Not the “Jesus” that is being created before our eyes in the image of these deceivers. This “Jesus” they want us to bow down to. I will not bow to the “Jesus” of this movement!
I truly believe there is a trumpet being blown throughout the land. It is crying out, “Come out of her My people!” Out of the harlot who calls itself the Bride of Christ. I am coming out from her. That means I will not fellowship with anyone who will not take the time to test things but still heap up teachers to themselves. I will not fellowship with those who want their ears tickled. I will not fellowship with those who are following heresy. I will not pray with or ask for prayer from anyone who is too stupid to not test the spirits. Lest I get punched in the face by some devil. My “Husband” my “Bridegroom” loves me more than that!
A line has been drawn. Too many years we have put up with false teachings. Too many years we have put of with those “great ones” in our midst, not daring to question lest we be called ‘religious, rebellious, Jezebel.’
We have had so many “teachers” and “annointed ones” over the past few decades giving us messages that have absolutely nothing to do with the cross. They are “clouds without water,” false teachers. Any message that does not point to the cross is heresy!
This is war, Church! And we are to fight with everything we have in us to expose Satan in these last days, with the Truth. We must have the truth in our hearts, we must be bold, we must be strong, we must not be afraid to speak out to those who are our “leaders.” We must not be afraid. Test all things!
redeemedhippie,
Amen! You are absolutely correct!
redeemedhippie: You are spot on!!
I agree wholeheartedly with redeemedhippie. These articles are so informative; I am blown away at the width and depth of this deception. There is no denying the anti-christ spirit is barreling down hard and fast.
To be candid, this is also very depressing. My church is going seeker sensitive so now I must leave it. Are there any true churches left?
Miriam, will you share a positive word of survival to all of us who are the isolated remnant surviving on the fringes without fellowship? I appreciate the cyber comments, but it is lonely out here!!
RH: I’m with you my brother. Sounds like you and a small band need to gather to fast and pray over Louisville. God is waiting to answer your intercessions for the sheep waiting to be led to the slaughter there. I will pray.
ianvincent wrote:
“Call me crazy, call me anything, but I am convinced there are witches and Satanists in this “revival.” If I am blaspheming the Holy name of Jesus or the Holy Ghost, God have mercy on me. But I am convinced I am not. God knows who they are.”
Some of what I’ve seen tells me you’re not at all crazy, and what’s close to convincing me this is willful deception is this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLJumIS8hIs
At 2:14 (approx 6 mins total) he gives the ‘devil’s horn’ hand sign, using his left hand (and the church of satan calls itself ‘the left hand way’). I noticed the sign and I think it may have been the Holy Spirit that prompted me to notice he used his left hand.
I’d visited the church of satan web site a couple years ago or so, when a co-worker mentioned he attended that church (yikes!) I’d not even known there was such a church before. It makes me want to go around and start shaking people to wake them up, sometimes!
redeemedhippie,
I second the AMEN! Keep preaching the truth…
The fact you mention that these may be witches and Satanists
is a very good point and deserves notation here.
I attended Southeastern A/G in Lakeland for two and half years before transferring to Central Bible College in Springfield, MO.
A professor told our Cults class that a witch had been a Sunday school teacher at First A/G Church Lakeland for over a year before being detected by a Southeastern student that had just taken the course that year. No one else had the descernment/knowledge. The ‘Sunday School teacher’ admitted they were indeed a witch and had on purpose infiltrated.
Therefore, you just may be on target here – I know I will be looking into this being as we are in Lakeland – preaching against this whole revival thing ourselves.
MKL
http://www.thelordsremnant.com
Marilyn –
In what way were they discerned and detected, and in what way had they infiltrated and with what purpose? What happened?
#10 Question: In what way were they discerned and detected, and in what way had they infiltrated and with what purpose? What happened?
http://members.aol.com/RawnaMoon/what.html
Answer: The professor at the time did not go into the details. I do know that she refused to attend the church in question on grounds of the heresy she and her husband (another professor at Southeastern) heard there.
Was she biased? No, this lady and her husband were highly respected for their love of the truth and were part of a local body of in a smaller church. If I printed her name anyone in the A/G would recognize that name.
I know at the time she shared this with our Cults class – her emphasis of her mentioning the witch was how cults take common ‘religious’ words and ‘redefine’ them.
You, think you are conversing on a subject and are both in ‘agreement’. If someone in another ‘religion’ (or even in the sphere of ‘christianity’ = meaning they focus on Jesus….)were to mention the word ’salvation’ with no further ‘explanation’ of the word….you and that person were actually talking about two very different meanings, but thought both were agreeing on the subject.
I have included a link above that will explain how someone can infiltrate and not be detected – they do so ‘on purpose’. Why would they do that? They would answer you, “Because, you just don’t understand ‘us’.”
What happened? With the church in question ~ I would say the witch was kept around as the fruit is showing up a couple of decades later. (Actually, they were asked to leave – at the time this all happened there were too many Southeastern professors and their families that attended this church.)Since then these all left and started another mega church in Lakeland.
Todd Bentley~ Peter Wagner ~Star Gates~ Synchromysticism~ the Wizards of the NEW AGE Christ ~ New Age Light of Lucifer
TAKING A GENERATION FOR THEIR GODS
Fantasy- dramatic magical – Si-fi — Milky-Way Christianity has arrived. Synchronism of Christianity with mysticism is now at the center of the world’s stage which I view as an attempt of using dramatic magic to become concepts take their quantum leap to godhood. These ministers are wizards and witches of the New Age. They think of themselves as the sages of the Christian Church to bring it to a new mystical age of supernaturalism to join their gods, the Ascended Masters of the New Age.
“For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. “ (Gen 3:5).KJV
STARGATES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-imN9RiFVns&feature=related
WHO WILL YOU FOLLOW? TODD BENTLEY AND PETER WAGNER AND HIS APOSTLES PROPHETS OR JESUS?
“How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? “ (Jn. 5:44).KJV
“That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life,” (Jn. 3:15-16).
ALEISTER CROWLEY AND ANTICHRIST REVIVAL
Evidences of powerful connections with these New Age Christian’s doctrines of the opening the Star Gates and the famous Satanist Aleister Crowley? This Satanist investigated other dimensional beings and attempted to create a dimensional vortex star gate. He wanted to bridge the gap between the world of the seen and the unseen. He developed a ritual called the
Alamantria Working and according to Crowley, he became successful when a presence manifested itself. He called this being “Lamb” that is amazingly similar to the modern pop culture of the greys.
Fifty years later: Jack Parsons, October 2, 1914 – died June 17, 1952), was an American rocket propulsion researcher at the California Institute of Technology and co-founder of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) and Aerojet Corporation. He was also an enthusiastic occultist, and one of the earliest American devotees of Aleister Crowley did another ritual called the Babylon Working. He wanted to incarnate the spirit of Babylon to our current generation. Parsons was also an avid practitioner of the occult arts, and a follower of Thelema. He saw no contradiction between his scientific and magical pursuits: before each rocket test launch, Parsons would invoke the god Pan.
QUANTUM LEAP INTO GODHOOD AND NEW AGE
And so there you have it. Well known Christians following in the footsteps of the most famous Satanists in the world ~ Crowley’s Magical Portal that produced a mystical being by opening the Star Gate. Will you follow these soul snatchers & soul scalpers? Todd Bentley, Bob Jones, Paul Cain and Peter Wagner’s apostles and prophets are the “New Breed,” sometimes referred to as “Joel’s Army. They want disconnect you from the Jesus of the Bible and link you to the Awakened Supernatural Beings they are calling angels. They tell us that these angels are from the divine realm, existing from a place called the Third Heaven. They want to take you through occultist’s eye called the wormhole, that wizards and sorceries have long sought called “Stargate of the gods.” Their witchcraft experiences will teach you about the powerful new “electrical energies” bathing your spirits with the anointing of the Ascended Masters powers of the New Age. I do not endorse these stargate films… Just for your education only.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F53PSE4yX4M&feature=related Keep under the Blood of Jesus!
THE NEW BREED ~ QUANTUM LEAP TO GODHOOD
We may ask “what is really going on here?” These New Age witches, wizards and New. . .
Pat Holliday
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3822823/-Todd-Bentley-Peter-Wagner-Star-Gates-Synchromysticism-the-Wizards-of-the-NEW-AGE-Christ-
Bill Johnson makes a phony case between Christians having “power” and Christians having “character” in this video with a geeky intro by Patricia King:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEt3_VTf5m4
Do you know what this liar is really saying here? (Boy he is smooth, though).
Johnson is saying that when “his team” needs to do things against the devil “in power” it may conflict with our notion of morality and “character.” So that means… they can basically do anything they want as long as it is “in power.”
Whoa, Bill, I’m just not ready for the entirety of the End Time Delusion to be foisted upon me just yet. Can you hold off on the gibberish in the name of Christ for about fifty more years? Thanks.
Bill Johnson makes George Orwell’s vision look like tiddlywinks.
Arise: What hypocrisy! Patricia King claims she loves righteousness! Yet why does she not act righteously and persecute righteousness? And Bill Johnson claims that people have to character and power. What bad character and bad power?
ETPW, I really want to “go after” Bill Johnson. Many many of my friends have been sucked into his lullaby of deception up there in Redding.
I don’t know if anyone knows or cares, but i had relatives in Redding for years before the influx of Bill Johnson and other deluded “Christians” up there.
Guess what? I was just a kid but it was the biggest old hippie pot smokin’ town you could imagine. I remember being about 12 and going with a relative to his friend’s house. His parents were smoking pot and they offered me a “j”! I was a kid, but i was completely shocked. (Sounds so foolish now.) But even then I was aware of a breakdown in authority and rank liberalism. Now this town is overrun by Apostolic Prophetics.
I actually think I’m more comfortable with the old hippies…
Marilyn: We are praying for you. You do such a good job and I am very proud of you!
Florida Says Goodbye
Todd Bentley
http://www.patholliday.com
Todd Bentley~ THE TATTOOED COSMIC GODHOOD ~ Pastor Stephen Stader ~ Peter Wagner ~ Chuck Pierce ~ GOD GAMES PLAYED ON EARTH ~ HERETICS ~ NEW AGE TRANCE ~ SPELL ~ Portals and Gateways to the Ancient Gods ~ Transformation ~ Transitions ~Star Walkers ~ All pathways lead to God ~ Without the Jesus of the Bible ~ Switched Witch ~ New Age Religion ~ Cosmos Gate ~ Bring God’s Kingdom to the earth. Todd Bentley Paul Cain – Gods on Earth
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4635852/Todd-Bentley-THE-TATTOOED-COSMIC-GODHOOD-Pastor-Stephen-Stader-
PASTOR STADER DOESN’T GET IT, OR HAS HIS SPIRIT GONE TO THE THIRD HEAVEN! SOUL SCALPED ~ SPIRITUALLY HI JACKED ~ SPIRITUALLY BLINDED?
Whatever you do, don’t give up the Lord Jesus for these New Age Kooks ~ don’t go into their demonic portals, star gates. Your spirit may not return. Spiritual thrills are not worth your eternal life. Double clink on the videos and they will come up.
THE CHURCH INFECTED – SPACE BALLS . . .
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 3:13 AM, pat holliday wrote:
Hello Dear Beloved Friends:
I am attaching a Newsletter but you can send the below link to your E Mail lists. I wish I could tell you, ITS over but just wait until you find out who ITZ is.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4635852/Todd-Bentley-THE-TATTOOED-COSMIC-GODHOOD-Pastor-Stephen-Stader-
Thank you for your prayers, Jesus is seeing us through the crazy jungle. Please add to your prayers our Christians brothers and sisters in England. They are in this battle too. And don’t forget all the Internet bloggers who are getting information out that the Christian press, like the secular press, wanted to keep you in the dark. They are doing a great job.
Don’t forget to pray for the ones who are being deceived. Prayer will pull them out of the darkness. Jesus loves them.
You know, I could use a good editor. I have a friend, Julie, that has helped me research these articles. Pray for her too!
But if you want to do something for Jesus, see if He may calling you to editing. Contact me if you are interested.
There are mp3,s that are free. here http://www.patholliday.com/radio.php
Blessing to each of you for all that you do for Jesus.
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pat holliday
Pat and Miriam, do we really pray for these deceivers? I am trying my best to understand something. Somewhere in the Word, (I can’t remember right off), it says to reprove or admonish a heretic twice, then if he will not hear, then leave counting him accursed. I really do not want to count anyone accursed. Yet, on the other hand, I don’t want to spend time praying for these people when I believe they have purposely chosen the things they do. Purposely deceiving as many as they can, purposely profaning the name of Jesus and causing great reproach on him and on those of us who truly lofve the truth. Especially when they say things like come and “drink form the breast of heven.” John Crowder. These things are so very profane and vile. Not just a little leaven we are dealing with here. So please, can someone tell me how i am suppose to think about this? I truly want to be pleasing to my Father in heaven. But these things keep me continuely upset. I know I will have no peace apart from His will.
see also http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/01/02/just-whose-land-is-it-on-territorial-spirits-etc/
I’m thinking hard before i write. i was disturbed by all these characters and yet,… equally disturbed by all the responses. they did wierd things and unbiblical things, it’s rather clear. but big sisters and brothers, you didn’t sound like Jesus to me. i only saw clever arguements and sarcastic and condescending watchmen. i know when we deal with evil, we dun act nice. do we declare war at the right target? i am more wary of those people now, their books, their videos, etc…but i didn’t learn Christlike demonstrations in defending the Word from my elder brothers and sisters in the Lord.the laughing and sneering replies speak a lot of what’s inside a man. all of us are definitely more glorious than that for Christ lives in you and me…