Another Deliberate Deception. Todd Bentley angel Emma has a sex change in Todd Bentley’s latest Book
Thanks to Chairos Seeker who made me aware of the following:
Here’s the latest account of Todd’s encounter with Emma, now an unnamed male angel, taken from his recently published Reality of the Supernatural World:
“A while ago, Bob Jones told me about an angel that helped birth the entire prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. The Lord had sent this angel to help nurture the prophetic ministry (and gift), at a time when it was being re-established in the modern-day church in North America.
“A few weeks after our conversation, I attended a church service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the meeting an angel glided in. As I stared wide-eyed at the angel, I heard the Lord tell me that this was the same angel that was involved with the prophetic movement in Kansas City. The angel floated a couple of inches off the floor emitting a brilliant light and colors. He appeared young–about 22 years old–but old at the same time. It was as though he carried the wisdom, virtue, and grace of Proverbs 31.
“He carried bags and pulled gold out of them. Then as he walked up and down the aisles, he put gold dust on people. “God, what is happening?” The Lord answered that the angel was releasing gold, which represents both the revelation and the financial breakthrough that He was bringing into that church. At the Lord’s direction, I announced that the same angel that appeared in Kansas City had showed up in the meeting as a sign that the Lord was endorsing and releasing a prophetic spirit in the church.”
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This account seems suspiciously familiar with something else I read. This is virtually word for word the same as Todd’s original claims re Emma, angel of the prophetic as per here http://www.etpv.org/2003/angho.html. Same prophet Bob Jones who tells Todd about this angel, same job and identity for the angel as one who births the prophetic in Kansas City, same place Beulah where Todd sees the angel, same story and description, same wording – virtually everything is the same except the angel’s sex and name. However, Todd Bentley or his editor is stupid enough to have left in the reference to Proverbs 31 which is about the wife of noble character – how on earth can this apply to a male angel?
“Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980: “Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?” He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I said, “Bob, who is Emma?” He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, “Here’s Emma.” I’m not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young-about 22 years old-but she was old at the same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 on her life.
She glided into the room, emitting brilliant light and colors. Emma carried these bags and began pulling gold out of them. Then, as she walked up and down the aisles of the church, she began putting gold dust on people. “God, what is happening?” I asked. The Lord answered: “She is releasing the gold, which is both the revelation and the financial breakthrough that I am bringing into this church. I want you to prophecy that Emma showed up in this service-the same angel that appeared in Kansas city-as a sign that I am endorsing and releasing a prophetic spirit in the church.” See, when angels come, they always come for a reason; we need to actually ask God what the purpose is. Within three weeks of that visitation, the church had given me the biggest offering I had ever received to that point in my ministry. Thousands of dollars! Thousands! Even though the entire community consisted of only three thousand people, weeks after I left the church the pastor testified that the church offerings had either doubled or tripled.
I believe Emma released a financial and prophetic anointing in that place. That was the first angel that I have ever seen in the form of a woman. Some angels I’ve seen seemed like they were neither male nor female. However, Emma appeared as a woman who was like a Deborah, like a mother in Zion. When she came, she began to mentor, nurture and opened up a prophetic well. The people in the church began having trances and visions and the pastor began getting words of knowledge and moving in healing. That congregation also saw more financial breakthrough than they had ever seen before.”
How on earth can any Todd Bentley fan defend this type of consistent and persistant lying? Really?
I have recorded literally dozens of brazen lies coming out of Todd Bentley’s mouth in the past few weeks (and I do not mean the scriptural lies which are numerous on top of this). How can this possibly be a man of God?
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EMMA is a transvestite!
This is far worse than just claiming a female angel. A male angel in drag with the virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 is even creepier.
“It’s not the lie, it’s the cover-up”
lol
You have so exposed the works of darkness that he has no clothes on. What a liar. It tells us who is father is. Thx
OoooKaaay …
the best advice for someone stuck in a hole is to stop digging. However, for the benefit of the body of Christ, we want him to dig himself a hole even the blind will be able to avoid!
So let’s pray for that folks!
Shalom.
Bill has an excellent post on Bentley’s angelology:
http://beyondgrace.blogspot.com/2008/07/bentleys-angelogy.html
“It’s not the cover-up, it’s the make-up!”
I haven’t laughed out loud this long and hard in a long time. Thank you Scott and Geoff for your comments.
Miriam, keep up the good work!
Lily
This is beginning to make me wonder if he’s even still in touch with reality anymore. It sounds like he’s having some kind of nervous breakdown!
God forgive me but this guy is an idiot, and apparently thinks everyone else is one as well.
To publish this very same so-called word now, minus ‘Emma’s name’…and even changing the gender, shows me he has been keeping up with all those who have been critiquing his teachings, and realized he needs to cover his proverbial rear-end by making changes to previous claims.
To me this makes him a liar.
Mariam, i know God has spoken to you and shown you things etc…He has me too. Wouldn’t you be afraid to ‘change for convenience sake’ one iota of anything God has shown you, just to make it more acceptable to others?
I would!
Todd being willing to change his previous claim should prove to anyone that his so-called experience of seeing this Angel was an out-right figment of his over-active imagination, or else this guy has absolutely no fear of God: its probably both.
Proverbs 31 10-31 I believe is talking about the Church. The body of CHRIST. We’re called the bride of Christ. I think if you read it and ask God for wisdom. He will show you.
GOD BLESS YOU
For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2 Timothy 4:3,4 (NIV)
Myth–a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
Why do people listen to this man and his lies?
People want to hear fantastic, exciting stories to be entertained, to escape reality, to feel good. Watching television shows and movies has trained many in this generation to turn off their mind to truth and to accept fiction as fact- the more outrageous, the better. Stories of average people becoming superheroes with special powers, such as Spiderman or Ironman, have become commonplace, so why not flock to see the endowments and exploits of Todd Bentley or other “superprophets”? People are used to celebrities being untruthful, so they just ignore the lies and keep watching in fascination. They suspend belief and reason and are ready and willing to be deceived by the latest “new thing” in town.
Sound doctrine demands too much self-sacrifice and too much discipline for those who insist on being entertained and comfortable. Personal desires must be altered or denied in order to come in line with the will of God. Effort must be expended to search the Scriptures and to try the spirits. Sin must be confronted and confessed. It is much easier to roll around on the floor or bark like a dog than it is to humble oneself before the Lord. And as for preferring one another, forget it. People will fight for the best seats in the house and knock each other down in the race to the altar–not an altar of repentance, but one of “more stuff for me”.
My heart goes out to the innocent children and ignorant sinners who are caught up in this spectacle of self-promotion and subterfuge. I pray that God will bring them out of the darkness and deception and into the light of His love. We must do all that we can to spread the truth of God’s Word, even if it means that we will be seen as unspiritual troublemakers. Jesus is coming soon, so let us make the most of every opportunity we have to testify of Him.
“I’VE CHANGED my MIND ABOUT LAKELAND”
- Ken [-Revivalschool member].
Well, shortly after Lakeland started I was posting here as a
“supporter”. I had my life transformed in the Brownsville revival,
and knowing that many who were offended at Lakeland were from
the same camp as those who opposed Brownsville, I naturally took
what I thought to be “the proper side”. Although I did say I was put
off by the hype surrounding Lakeland, I was open to the idea that it
was “from God”, and I saw criticism from this board that I chalked
up to mostly phariseeism.
Then a couple of weeks ago I saw this video on YouTube. [-Linked
below]. It changed my mind once and for all. I don’t know what
spirit was speaking to Bentley when he was told the revival wasn’t
about getting people to Jesus, but it’s about getting people to
believe in “the angel”, but I’ve enough discernment to know it
wasn’t God’s Spirit!
This should be elementary, but since sharing this with others I
know who’ve supported Lakeland, I was shocked to find it really
didn’t bother them in the least! The leader of the revival says it’s
not about getting people to Jesus but getting them to believe in
“the angel”- SINGULAR. What the heck? Is this the delusion?
Well, I’ve seen the devil tip his hand and I’ve turned the other
direction. If God allowed me to see it and turn, He’ll show others
too. I’m praying it happens, and I’m telling everyone I know about this.
I apologise to anybody I might have offended or misled in keeping
my “open mind” about Lakeland. I would exhort everyone who still
thinks this is “from God” to honestly listen to what’s being said on
the video. Does the Holy Spirit lead people to Jesus, or angels?
LINK to VIDEO –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKA_X1zxOQc
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MORE from KEN:
Todd said that “God” told him “Todd, you’ve got to get the people
to believe in the angel.” I don’t know how else to take that. I don’t
have a problem with believing in the supernatural, if I didn’t believe
in the supernatural I wouldn’t believe in Jesus in the first place!
But look at the statement again. It looks like an agenda to me.
Todd and the rest (Bob Jones, etc.) are always talking about their
encounters with supernatural entities, but you never once hear
how they test what they’re supposedly communicating with. I’ve
even heard BJ say that he told a “priest” that was talking to him, “I
know that you’re Jesus, but I don’t know who”.
So who, or what are these spirits that are talking to these guys?
They aren’t tested, and nobody from the prophetic movement
seems to think it’s important that they are. The “credentials” of the
preacher passing on the message are good enough (Credentials
meaning, how many people do they have following their ministry).
Well, that’s not the criteria I read in the Bible for testing the spirits…..
So my point is, the spirits aren’t tested, so all you have to go by is
does what they say agree with the Spirit and the Word? Would it
be on God’s agenda to get people to believe in “The angel” ? Why?
Was that a running theme in the New Testament church? Was
Paul bent on getting the “gospel of the angel” to the church at
large, or to any of his mission field? I have to say no, it is and
always has been and never will be anything other than getting the
people to JESUS. If things aren’t going “that direction”, count me
out – I ain’t goin’, and I’ll tell anyone else who’ll listen they should
skip the trip, too…
In the context of that message Todd was talking about “the angel
of the winds of change”, who Todd says is responsible for the revival.
Why is an angel responsible for the revival? Why wouldn’t God
Himself be responsible? What angelic entity that was of the host
of the Lord would even allow a “move of God” to focus on itself? I
can think of only one type of angel that would receive any kind of
special attention or glory from men – that would be a fallen angel.
Let the Spirit of the Lord speak to your heart concerning these things.
I pray you find the true God and Lord of the Bible and follow Him only.
~Read more discussion of this topic on the Forum at-
http://www.revivalschool.com
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Question: How on earth can any Todd Bentley fan defend this type of consistent and persistant lying? Really?
I have recorded literally dozens of brazen lies coming out of Todd Bentley’s mouth in the past few weeks (and I do not mean the scriptural lies which are numerous on top of this). How can this possibly be a man of God?
Answer: Revelations 22:14-15 “Blessed are those who wash their robes,so that thy may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.”
http://www.thelordsremnant.com
Looks like Bentley has been taking lessons from Bill Clinton on how to parse his words in such a way to make it appear he’s saying one thing when he’s really not.
I came across this clip tonight. He is criticizing people ‘out there in heresy land’ regarding his previous documented statements about an encounter he said he had with a ‘female angel named EMMA.’
As noted here in his just released book, he changes the story completely around and removes the name EMMA altogether, and turns the angel into a male angel.
See if you can detect what he intentionally does in this public statement about EMMA.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UukDxptR5WE
Why can’t he admit the fact that Emma is not an angel from the Lord and he is deceived by that angel?
PJ – anyone who has any fear of God, or respect for others would not dream of bearing false witness in such a way – even a tiny little bit.
But Todd despises the saints and tramples over them, and does not fear God, rather he seeks to seize God’s place. Evil, evil man. And I do not say that lightly.
this has finally pushed me over the edge. the guy is a liar and a charlatan. thanks for your work. this is proof to me that tb is a scammer.
#15 Comment: As noted here in his just released book, he changes the story completely around and removes the name EMMA altogether, and turns the angel into a male angel.
See if you can detect what he intentionally does in this public statement about EMMA.
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Answer: I shared the following link on another topic within this web site.
I think it is worth the reading to understand the mindset of some of these people that proclaim knowing God and Bible doctrine – yet, are proclaiming some ‘way-out-there’ heresy….
Don’t stop at this page though, scan the web site; it’s very informative.
http://members.aol.com/RawnaMoon/what.html
( scroll down to this topic on the page)
Feminist Spirituality
I have been in Pentecostal/Full Gospel Churches all of my life(50+). I was part of the “re-awakening” revival of the early 70’s-Cross & the Switchblade, David Wilerson, Nicky Cruz etc. I have seen the miraculoous, demons cast out, REAL prophecy and all the gifts of the Spirit manifested. Unfortunately, I have also seen the counterfeits. We used to call it “being in the flesh” and maybe it was at first. But even during the early 70’s revival, people from long time spiritually dead denominations got revived. This is an entire book there is not space enough here to go into. Suffice it to see, I have watched the false teachings and doctrines of demons invade true scripture and the true monve of God.
A “REVIVAL” comes when the WORD OF GOD is preached. The Holy Spirit Convicts people of their sins. They got to the altar and REPENT (turn from their sins and MEAN it)and it spreads throughout the community. I have seen real revivals where complete strangers, totally unaffiliated with a particular church, would drive by the church during a meeting, fall under conviction and come in and get saved.
The WORD OF GOD is not preached in any of these services. As a 25 years Minister of Music, I know how music can and does affect people. I have seen the Charlatan tricks going on in “The Manifest Sons of God” [sic] group. I have sat in a church where some poor unsuspecting Pastor allowed the Insane False Prophet Bob Jones to stand up and spew his nonesense to their church, and I watched the devastation that came to those churches. The fact that Bob JOnes is involved alone is enough to make people RUN like the devil is after them from these meetings.
Bob Jones-
1. Follower of Oneness Theolgy founder Bill Branham
2. Member of the “Kansas City Prophets” and “Manifest
Sons of God” until he was outed for having women stand
naked before the Lord while he prohisied over him.
3. Had a mental breakdown and was committed to an insane
asylum where, his words, God told him to either kill or
forgive 10-12 people if he wanted his mind back.
(His rantings show he didn’t get a sound mind back)
(Continued- sorry did not mean to post twice)
see for yourself at
http://www.bobjones.org/
I personally know people and have family members involved in these heresies. They are totally decived and will not listen. When the disciples came to Jesus and said, in Mat 24 “how will we know when the end is near? What will the signs be”? The very first thing He told them was ” verse 4- And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
verse 5 -For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”
Sadly, the picture is beginning to show that in making mockery of the church, everything is very deliberately calculated (incompetently) try to enhance and protect the image of Todd and his angels – not the image of God or Jesus Christ or the Bible.
The reason it seems like Todd Bentley is Bill Clinton is because of the arrogance behind the lies and the lack of any repentance. Instead it’s cover-ups and finger-wagging in our faces.
Even the mass baptism last night was triggered by critics of this unbiblical monstrosity. There’s no way on earth that event takes place without a resistance movement because it’s not “supernatural” and doesn’t involve the angels.
But in the end, there’s no real change of heart or remorse from Bentley. The orthodox is now being added into the mixture as a “show of Christianity” calculated to enhance revenue for GodTV in the long run. The baptism being televised was a PR-focused event designed to enhance the deception. And even still, Todd said something last night before it happened that it was going to be about receiving his impartation because people on TV could receive it too.
early on we heard from many in authority and otherwise that we should wait and see what fruit shall come forth..some here including me agreed that may be too late for some,but now after all this the fruit has piled up,so just now a few are now being able to see even though the pile is to the sky,i guess because thats where their eyes have been instead of their eyes and hearts in the word of God…how many have eaten this stuff up(bentley circus) and are now so polluted and so duped that their pride and false foundation will not allow them to repent ..i pray to God this is not so…”for with man this is impossible but with God all things are possible”
Here is a great story of a guy who attended Lakeland. Warning, you’ll need a sense of humor.
http://www.darinhufford.com/article.php?id=19
Either Todd or his people have definitely been reading the critics. Last week TB spent a whole sermon defending his “anointing” and how he got it because he was so dedicated and hungry.
The next night he defended his violent acts by telling everyone how “obedient” he is to God and how the people he attacked are now his partners. BTW, he encouraged everybody to hear the whole story and not just things taken out of context by buying his materials — for sale at the tables.
The next evening Todd had another speaker telling the audience how humble and wonderful and obedient Todd is. A couple of days ago Todd was on Sid Roth hawking his wares.
There’s major damage control underway! Emma’s makeover is another proof.
I personally believe that Todd is a mental case. Look at his body and his movements. I’ve been around mentally imbalance people and I know their movements and actions. I’m sorry for the good people that can’t detect his actions and I pray that God will lead them away from this person.
Hi I just wanted to comment on what I am seeing in the church today concerning demons running the show.I have seen so much destruction to hurting children of God and Pastors ignoring the Word and “Just loving them thru it”(demoniacs).The victims of their bloodshed get treated as causing the situation and stirring them up?While the demoniacs continue to cause discention in the church?If I voice the Word and question their authority I get anger.All I want to know is why is the church allowing this contradiction of Our Lords Word to continue in the church?
Yea Miriam I’ve heard him several times say he was God and Jesus and how he was doing all this!!! Sure have, I heard him!!!! My gosh people you need to let this go. If it aint for you then let it go. It’s driving you guys crazy!!
Going to Lakeland on Friday…Need to see for myself if this is a true move of God.
Well, give someone enough rope …
the problem with lies is that they come back and bite you …
Todd’s real problem is that most of his angelic ‘anecdotes’ from the past are on YouTube. This means that his lies about when he got his tattoos are also exposed …
He is attempting to moderate his history in order to appeal to more and more people.
However, this will turn more people off. We’ve already reached the high-water mark, God willing.
Shalom
Dear Geoff:
Interesting: I had a short dream about Bentley a month ago. That people would be putting their hands on the TV to receive his “BimBam” “false new language of Faith” and would be getting cancer when they did it. I suppose this meant a spiritual cancer.
Jeff: we have a burden about this, that’s true. Tell you what … answer this question: “Does God like the idea of ATM’s in the church to facilitate giving/tithing?”
or
“Does God sanction giving on credit card?” This facilitates debt of course. But who worries about that.
Julie: could you please give us a report about how many times there is an offering talk, how many ATM’s are at the back of the tent and whether or not there are envelopes on or under the chair or handed out with credit card slips inside?
Many Thanks.
Shalom.
THis is an emergancy alert from the emergancy broadcast system In the event of serious spiritual deception
you will be instructed where to turn. Warning Warning we are in the midst of a spiritual emergancy. See the dusty old book on the coffee table, grab it, dust it off and study like you never studied before. Only when we know the truth, the word of God, can we clearly see and not fall for the lie.
Programing as usual will not be resumed because we are in a battle. Get on the floor and make war on your knees.
Hey Bull why dont you ask God those questions. I can’t answer for him. He’s alot smarter than me and I’m sure he can help you with that!!!
Trackback
http://www.sheepleblog.net/post/2008/07/08/Emma-Bentleys-Identity-Challenged-Angel.aspx
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3871573/Todd-Bentley-Rick-JoinerThe-Cosmic-Tree-STAR-GATES-TO-THE-THIRD-HEAVEN-
A few preachers are beginning to get it. They are losing their sheep and tithes because they let the wolves into the pen. Lakeland is NOT a place to go out of curiosity. IT IS DANGEROUS – much soul snatching is going on there. A preacher called me said, I went over and took a group from my church. I was washing my hands and the Lord spoke to me and said, “Get out of here. This place is filled with wizards and witches. I left.
Pat, I’ve lost many people and they started giving their money to Todd Bentley. A preacher that I know in Tampa is going to lose his church, they’ve left and going to Todd’s. I see the danger and when I try to warn my fellow pastor friends, they get angry with me and break fellowship. This is the most heart retching thing that I have ever seen.”
Todd Bentley’s and GOD-TV- Wendy Alec’s gods “IT” and the god of “COME AND GET SOME,” are ravaging souls and sheep hustling are heading your way. Pastor, are you prepared for the great separation and falling away? Are you ready for lifetime friends that will no longer speak to you because they are spiritually gone? It’s already happening, they go into the star gate and what comes back is not their spirit. THEY ARE GONE — FOREVER!
Read this new report, weep for the church, fast and pray.
TO THE THIRD HEAVEN ~ Transformation~ “BAM-BAM” – (BhaMBhaM) – to sodomize NEW AGE TRANCE ~ ANTICHRIST LOOMS ~ THEY ARE GETTING YOU READY THEIR NEW RELIGIOUS LEADER, THE ANTICHRIST
TODD BENTLEY SAID AFTER HIS GREAT FRIENDSHIP RING INITIATION “Oh this is so global.”
COSMIC TREE
Looking For the Tree of Life – In search of the Return to Eden
Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: De 12:2
THE NEW BREED ~ Lakeland Outpouring Apostolic Team: Chuck Pierce, Dutch Sheets, Lee Grady, Steve Strang, Ché Ahn, Jeff Beacham, David Cannistraci, Joseph Askins, Bill Johnson, John Arnott, and many more are no longer in hiding. We can clearly see them and more are coming exposed every day. PRAY, PRAY, PRAY. . . When the sheep go to the other side, they don’t come back.
Expect to see big dying – empty churches around the world. . . Captured by the dead Jesus god of Todd Bentley, GOD-TV, THE NEW BREED and the demonic angels from the “The Third Heaven” star gates.
GOD-TV WENDY ALEC of godless-TV
And what’s even scarier is what Bentley’s endorser, Wendy Alec, co-founder of God-TV prophesied regarding this latest “outpouring” of the unholy spirit:
“THIS is just the warm up party – for what you shall see in the coming days shall even make these days pale – with what I have up my sleeve. And I tell you my son – that THIS THAT I POUR OUT UPON YOU UPON FLORIDA shall flow to the east.”
Does God have something up his sleeve? Of course not! These words emerged from the pit of hell where Emma rules.
Continue to pray… The devils cannot hide and our Lord Jesus Christ is more powerful, if we will pray, then He will hear from heaven and heal our land.
Blessings to you,
Pat Holliday
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How do you explain the healings though?
Matt: which healings, Matt? The ones they claim or the ones they have verified which are very different eg many thousands each night compared to NIL ever.
matt,
While there’s not been one documented/provable healing to date, there may be some actual healings. If so, remember shaman and witch doctors heal. Kundalini is said to have healing powers.
And, then, it is widely known that there are paid audience plants used at times who fake having afflictions then are ‘miraculously healed’ to ‘prove’ to onlookers and skeptics.
Regarding comment 36 para 1:
First of all, I deplore what TB is doing and his ‘Fakeland’ frenzy. On the other hand, if the pastor/shepherd is going to lead them into the wolf’s den and then expect his sheep to come out whole and without scars, he is not doing his job. I guess what really bothers me about your comment is the phrase “They are losing their sheep and tithes …”; far too many pastors seem to make church a ‘business’ and therefore equate numbers to dollars and then to success. I’ve been a finance director at a church and know first hand about the money factor. We shouldn’t be in the business of creating and sustaining these ‘mini-corporations’ but we should be about the business of winning souls and growing them up so they can discern the difference between what is of God and what is not.
And that is the sad part, TB isn’t even all that good at what he does. What will happen when a handsome, polished character actor comes along who can keep track of his lies before they get spewed out of his mouth? Unfortunately I don’t think TB and Fakeland even qualify for the appetizer menu. God help us, there will be more to come…
I do think we should continue to pray for our wayward brothers and sisters and do what we can to make sure they get free of this debacle if they are in it [and be willing to help them heal from their wounds instead of beating them down] or ensure that no one else falls.
v/r,
Matt:
I assume that ‘healings’ would indicate evidence of God’s approval?
Evidence of blessing cannot be taken as evidence of God’s approval.
If I had to wait until God approved of every area of my life, I wouldn’t have been blessed as I have with A job, a home, a wife, and children.
I have been blessed with many things. Similarly, many non-believers have been blessed materially, and with good health. Even with spontaneous healings … cancers going into remission and so on.
So, whatever the physical, tangible results that have come … and little or no verification of healings, btw, the only thing we can do is to test the spirits. Is Todd Bentley biblical (enough … core doctrine like the trinity, the authority of scripture, a basic understanding of the substitutionary atonement and so on) leaving out eschatology since everyone I have spoken to has their own view.
Do they believe that Jesus is fully Human and fully Divine?
Are the prophecies true or false? Does what they say contradict or support scripture?
If Todd said he was a mormon, would you still think this Lakeland thing was of God?
Church growth is not a valid test either. ‘Christianity’ is growing faster than at any other time in History. However, Islam is growing 4 times faster than the church.
The Mormon Church and the JW’s are growing pretty fast too.
Does God approve of them all?
Shalom.
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[...] I believe Emma released a financial and prophetic anointing in that place. That was the first angel that I have ever seen in the form of a woman. Some angels I’ve seen seemed like they were neither male nor female. However, Emma appeared as a woman who was like a Deborah, like a mother in Zion. When she came, she began to mentor, nurture and opened up a prophetic well. The people in the church began having trances and visions and the pastor began getting words of knowledge and moving in healing. That congregation also saw more financial breakthrough than they had ever seen before.” Source. [...]
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Yes.He said the angel was female and even said that she was “hot” . I have that tape set “encounters of the kingdom kind” .
He said she was hot?!
There is another time he refered to an angel and sounded oh so gay when he said how good looking he was and said ‘he was better than Fabio, ok’….