Eric VonAnderseck & Joanne Cremer of Second8thweek ministries

As we are getting a growing thread on this subject, I have created a new post on this group for easier accessibility with the old comments moved here. I was originally contacted by ‘Greg’ who asked -

“I am currently researching a very disturbing group called Second8thweek ministries. It is run by a man called Eric Von Anderseck and he claims that he is an endtime apostle spoken about in Isaiah and revelation. He has an online university and there are what they call assembly meetings in America And South Africa and other places around the world. I have been to South Africa and attended am meeting because of a friend. He preaches that the church has been in error for two thousand years because it has been without apostles and now in the end times God is restoring this ministry. He claims that all churches have to go to him for doctrinal cleansing.

It may sound funny but I have seen what this mans ministry can do to believers. He is based in Port Huron in Michigan. I have tried to get information on him but cannot. He teaches from the books of Enoch ( so Called) and the so called lost books of eden. He is destroying a friend of mine who I love very much. He says that all pastors are tares and so are people who believe in Jesus but have not received the baptism in the holy spirit evidenced by tongues. He has several sites one of which is http://www.second8thweek.com. He has a spiritual c.v as he calls it that has to be seen to believed. None of the major discernment sites have any info on him but his teachings are growing.

Do you know anything about him. I read on a site called conqueringlove.com about a couple that were with him but managed to get away. Can you please pray for my friend in South Africa. Thank you.”

Comment from me:

Greg – wow, I had never heard of this guy, but he is very cultic using weird language by looking at his website. What you said already marks it as cultic and wrong eg – He claims that all churches have to go to him for doctrinal cleansing.

Here’s more nonsense from him – crazy stuff -

“PRE-BIRTH REVELATION: I was the 10th person standing in a line of spirits. Angels were busy preparing these souls for their earthly existence; their activities, from their birth to their death. I heard God saying, “Who will go for Me?” I didn’t know what the mission was, all I remember is that I felt compelled to volunteer so I said, “I’ll go.”

A very large angel dressed in a white robe took me out of line and up to the front. God again spoke and said, “I will use him in the last days.” I turned to the angel which brought me to the gate or opening and said, “Will you let me remember this?” He replied, “Yes you shall remember this, and prosper.”

Greg said -

Thank you for your VERY speedy reply. Yes it is WOW stuff isn’t it. You haven’t seen the half of it. I have met some of the apostles of this movement. One of them a girl of twenty six spent a year in my country and never once visited a church or looked up christians. I thought that was very strange but I was a guest in my friends house and had to be wise in my approach. For sure I expressed my opinions and spoke to their Chief apostle in south Africa. There is Another apostle on myspace called Joanne Cremer. She split away from them but has her own teaching university and teaches their doctrines.

I have some of them on file that my friend sent me as she was trying to get me to enrol in their university. Their stuff is copywrited but my friend had permission to send it to me and I was not told to give it to anyone else. If you like I can send you some of their teachings to an e-mail adress. I cannot see how my friend can’t see that they are a cult.

What seems to happen is that christians who are relativley new and somewhat dissafected with their church are drawn to them and then ensnared. I feel helpless and would love to do something cause now it’s personal. Maybe not the purest motive but thats the way it has happened. Anyway thanks again. Its been a while since I was here and it looks like so much is going on on the site. You MUST have staff by now. Thats if you didn’t already. Miriam will you please pray that my friends eyes will be opened and SOON to this deception. I am praying too. Thanks again.

Forgot to say, his pre birth revelation he justifies through scriptures concerning Jeremiah, you know ” I knew you before I formed you in your mothers womb”. As I see it all cults can justify or try I mean, their doctrines and experiences from scripture. Yes God does know us before he formed us but the things that are added to these things we know about God are what shows up the cults like the “angels preparing the souls” stuff. A new revelation?

Me:

God does know us before we are made, but that does not mean that we remember a pre birth experience, let alone that something like this even occured

Greg said -

It is hard to know how big it is but it has many ” Assemblies” as they call them, Listed in their membership and in different parts of the world. They have reached Europe and and South Africa. There is a blog on them by Matt Slick of C.A.R.M.

They are probably a drop in the ocean but give the appearance that they are growing rapidly. Not sure really. But like all cults they start out small then grow

Dimples said:

Hi all, YES! There is a dangerouse teaching that appears to be biblical, but it is very confusing and the language is wierd. I enrolled in the school and there are red flags every where. I too was a little frustrated with my church and that is how I was drawn in. As I went through the lessons I just got more and more confused and they told me that I was never in covenant and now that I am learning from them, “living apostles”, I am now in convenant. They teach from the “lost books of the bible” and they are totally against church gatherings. I wanted to see how far they take this false doctrine by continuing on in the school, but it is so discusting and upsetting so I am just going to quit before I am corrupted.

Sorry I forgot to mention that the false apostolic school is called The Apostles Center and it is headed by JoAnne Cremer and I believe that those teachings are from Eric VonAnderseck who is also a false apostle with wierd teachings and confusing language.

Me:

 Would you like to share more Dimples, for the benefit of all as to what they believe?

Dimples said:

Sure. I really can’t pinpoint it, but there is defiantly something wrong with what they are teaching; how they word everything and they have a weird language and terminology that one would not know unless one belongs to their group. It is not simple and it makes one even more confused and everything that they say really needs to be explained more and what they teach and how they teach it leaves room for one to take the Word of God totally out of context. They don’t read anything in context, but use the text to validate their doctrine. Their doctrine is about the “Transition” of the church into the New Covenant, a covenant of which they only know and are “sent” to preach. It is also centered on the error of the teachings of some televangelists. They don’t go into churches, but have websites and communicate by way of internet and phone calls. They tell students to empty everything that they ever learned because it is false and not the true gospel. The true gospel only comes from them and we are to only study what they give us and listen to the MP3’s and feast off of that. They encourage us to stop going to church or to the FRS (False Religious System). Also they tell us to offer up prophecies and prophecies according to them are encouraging words based off of what they teach and scripture. We are to offer these prophecies to God and to each other. These prophecies go something like this “Through the contact points that God has set for us by His grace we can touch God and remain in fellowship with Him”. I don’t know what the contact points are, but I they say I will know them as I continue on). They teach about the baptism of light. I really don’t know what that is, but again I was told I will find that out later. They teach about grace and how it is not God’s unmerited favor, but it is a revelation of God, illumination and some other stuff and so much emphasis is put on that element and I personally would rather attribute everything to God and the Lord Jesus Christ. I understand what grace is and how we are saved by it, but they take it to a whole other level. They really do need to be exposed because of the cunning craftiness of what they teach and how they teach it. It appears to be biblical, but it leaves me with an unrest and I constantly have to search the scriptures after I come into contact with them because I know in my heart of hearts that something is not right.

Greg said:

I just checked this post out just now after a long time so sorry about not getting back to you. Dimples it is amazing that you found it. I suggest STRONGLY that you check out http://www.conqueringlove.com. The writers are ex second8thweek members and know their doctrines and teachings inside out. I wrote to Debbie Virshek of the site and she is a gracious woman. You can write to her at truth@conqueringlove.com. I am sure she would be glad to hear from you.

Miriam, their teachings are hard to describe succinctly and I can e-mail you some things I was sent. They believe that there was a pattern for faith set in Jesus that we must follow. They believe that in terms of conversion God gives you the grace to believe in Jesus but you are not saved till you come into full covenant by receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit evidenced by toungues. Toungues is the sign of the seal of the Holy spirit just like cicumcision was the sign of the sealing of Abrahams faith. They believe that nine tools of the faith.. Government(the five fold ministry) prayer (in toungues)prophecy, teaching, the gifts, the callings,the manifold graces of God,truth, and the Spirit.

They believe that believers who refuse to speak in toungues are refusing the baptism of the Holy Spirit and their faith is REPROBATE and they are the men of 1 John. They believe that pastors who run churches not under apostles are tares.

They say that you can believe in Jesus with all your heart but you are not saved (In covenanent with God) unless you speak in tongues.

All the above is only the beginning. They teach that Enoch was changed into the Angel Metatron and is over the creche in heaven of all the children that died because these children must come back to earth to go through a salvation experience. They teach that the children are not re-incarnated but will know that they have come back BUT in adult bodies during the tribulation. Like I said Miriam, I have it on a memory stick. The confusing thing is that people or Christians who join their assemblies and teachings seem to get baptised in the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues thus confirming their teachings.I have met some including their Apostles in South Africa. Make no mistake they are attracting mostly Christians.

HOW am I doing so far DIMPLES!!!

Miriam I have some of the teachings or rather propositions they have but they say to understand them you must do the course. The main teaching that initially attracts people is the 125 false teachings of the church. I have read it and it is a mishmash of truth and error.

The baptism of light Dimples is apparently when you die and are received into God and you will be able to create just Like him because you have the divine nature because you were saved. I think thats enough for now.

By the way Debbie Virshek states that she already spoke in tongues before getting involved with them but the Lord showed her that her tongues changed and was not of him. I cannot agree or deny this because I do not speak in tongues therefore feel I have no opinion on it. But I stlll believe that from scripture their doctrines are false.

Dimples:

Yes! You explained it very well. I stopped logging on to thier site and reading their lessons. I did research them after I noticed the red flags and I did come across the conquering love website and it was extreemly eye opening. Regarding tongues, they told me to speak at least one hour a day, but when I do so I feel like I am faking it and making it up as I go along. Everytime I “speak” the scripture comes into my mind “and they spake as the Spirit gave them utterance”. I was giving my own self utterance and I didn’t feel right so I stopped. There are times when I am praying that I began to speak in tongues and it just happens – I did not force it or anything and I think that is how it is supposed to be. Also they told me that it is impossible for me to simply read the bible and rely on the Holy Ghost to help me understand it and rightly divide it. They said God sent them to do that – “to reveal the mystery of Chirst” because they have been given the doctrine and the grace to interpret it. There is a lot of truth mixed with error like you said Greg and that is how their deception is a little hard for me to pinpoint.

Greg said:

I am so glad that you got away from them. It is hard to explain their teachings because there is so much to contend with. You could not do it here in any great depth I would guess. You see what seems to get people is the fact that they have apostles. It seems to me that the church is in confusion about apostles as I am might I say in that are they for today in the same way as they were in the beginning. I remember when I got saved first eighteen yrs ago thinking when the scriptures were opened up to me as being alive and real that we would never see their likes again because their teachings were laid down in Gods word.

But Ephesians seems to be saying that the office of apostle is still operational as are the other callings of prophet teacher etc. Hence today you have people claiming they are apostles but to me they are false. At least I mean the ones in charge of the current revivals.Why are those that claim to be apostles always American!!!!!

My question in little old Ireland is if the office of apostle exists where are the real ones. Has anyone out there met a genuine apostle full of humility and truth and gentleness and compassion and has a servants heart and doesn’t think they are in charge of the heavenly realms. If so can you please let me know.

Hey Dimples did they try and stop you from leaving?”

Please carry on this topic in the comments…………