Todd Bentley Extra Marital Affair with Female Member of Staff
Thanks to all the people who directed me to this latest information. Yet again (apart from the lies, like they did not know this information earlier this week!) there is a noticeable lack of any admission of real GUILT or a request from Todd Bentley for forgiveness, and repentence. Instead sin is blamed on the enemy, and Todd needs “healing” and “counselling” – not acknowledgment of his sin, confession of it, repentence and forgiveness for his own dirty deeds. I am disgusted once again by the continuing lies and hypocrisy coming out of this camp. If only Todd was the only one. Instead, a whole team has been, and still is, complicit in this deception. (Apparently nobody among his assocates considers lying and fraud a good reason to step down from ministry).
“From the Board of Directors
The Fresh Fire Ministries Board of Directors
Aug 16, 2008From the Board of Directors
We wish to thank all of our friends and partners for the overwhelming flood of support and compassion we have received as a ministry on behalf of Todd and Shonnah Bentley. The many phone calls and emails of concern from people who genuinely love the Bentleys and Fresh Fire Ministries have been a great encouragement to all of us here during these past few days. In particular, the rallying of support and prayer for Todd and Shonnah by prominent leaders within the Body of Christ has been a beautiful indicator of the maturity and grace the Lord is bringing to his Bride.
We wish to acknowledge, however, that since our last statement from the Fresh Fire Board of Directors, we have discovered new information revealing that Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff. In light of this new information and in consultation with his leaders and advisors, Todd Bentley has agreed to step down from his position on the Board of Directors and to refrain from all public ministry for a season to receive counsel in his personal life.
On behalf of the Fresh Fire leadership and the Board of Directors we wish to apologize to our friends and partners and to the larger body of Christ and to ask for your forgiveness. We are truly sorry for the pain many of you must feel and so regret that in the midst of great revival, the enemy has found a way into our camp. To those who have stood by us, we wish to thank you for what in many cases has been years of support. Thank you for your financial giving towards the vision of this ministry, and thank you especially for your prayers. For those of our partners, friends and supporters who may be struggling with the recent disclosures and finding continued support of this ministry in conflict with either conscience or conviction, we release and bless you with all our hearts and trust that God will redeem in your hearts the good that He has accomplished in your lives through this ministry. It is our sincerest hope and prayer that the Lord bless you and bring you into your fullest destiny in Him.
When this ministry was initially birthed in May of 1998, Todd had but one simple desire in his heart – to see the world come to know Jesus. Now, only 10 years later, Fresh Fire Ministries has grown to become a Resource Center that is literally reaching out to all the corners of the Earth. There have been dozens of associate ministries, scores of interns and hundreds of graduates from the Supernatural Training Center. Over 60 nations have received a combined total of more than five million dollars in humanitarian aid and we have seen well over one million conversions for Jesus Christ.
And so, the question can well be asked… where do we go from here? It is true that we are deeply saddened by these recent events, but it hasn’t shaken our faith in either God or His goodness towards us and with the help of wise and compassionate leaders within the body, we will do everything within our power to see our brother and sister healed and restored.
As a ministry, we can not forsake the vision and heartbeat upon which Todd Bentley founded Fresh Fire Ministries which is simply this:
Matthew 10:7-8
“And as you go, Preach, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is at hand” Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. ”While Todd and Shonnah each go through the necessary steps towards restoration and wholeness, we are compelled, with the resources with which God has entrusted us, to continue to spread God’s love and power all over the world.
There are many noble activities and endeavors in which Fresh Fire Ministries is involved, initiated by Todd, and to which we are still committed. We have the Supernatural Training Centre, our school of ministry, already in it’s fourth full year and with more than 50 students already enrolled we’re believing for an amazing year of biblical instruction, practical application and encounters with the presence of God. Many mature and gifted speakers and associates, graduated interns and teachers filled brim-full with the DNA and fire of this ministry are ready to pour revelation and passion into the hungry hearts of this coming year’s student body.
We will continue to host conferences in our region with speakers and worship leaders from around the nation whose message and mandates resonate with the vision and heart of Fresh Fire Ministries. In addition, we are committed to supporting the growing “OutPourings” across North America and around the world with our Associates, with encouragement and prayer support. In Todd’s own words, “What God is doing is bigger than one man”, and we now have a golden opportunity as the Body of Christ to pick up the baton and to run with perseverance for His glory.
Our missions department is progressing, as previously mentioned, with our major African crusade. With close to 100 team members in attendance, excitement is beginning to build and team members have responded that they are still believing God for the most amazing missions trip ever! Our Uganda Jesus Village in Kampala is forging ahead with the recent acquisition of 35 acres of land 30 minutes drive from our present location. Two of the 15 homes planned for the property are nearing completion, and the expanded village, when finished, will house almost 150 orphans rescued from war torn northern Uganda.
So whether in our Children’s Home in Africa, in our Supernatural Training Centre in British Columbia, in the revival meetings and outpourings spreading around the globe, or in taking teams to minister compassion and practical assistance to the poor in the far corners of the Earth, we have been and still are committed to bringing love, hope and a demonstration of the saving, healing, delivering power of the Gospel to a world in need.
Thank you all once again for your prayers and support. We bless each and every one of you in whatever decision you must make. Please know that our heart in all of this is to see the name of the Lord vindicated, and we take great encouragement from Psalm 23 and the Lord’s promise that He will “lead us in paths of righteousness for His name’s sake.” Together we look to the mercy and wisdom of our loving Father and we remain as ever, your brothers and sisters in Christ.
The Fresh Fire Board of Directors”
According to several sources, Todd had an affair with another staff member around two and a half years ago.
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And here it goes….BAM, BAM, BAM! I an shocked at how these days with all the internet and camera phones etc, that anyone, political, or ministry would even try to get away with any infidelity. John Edwards, a candidate, what was he thinking? Todd, what where you thinking? People are looking up to you! You have let a whole lot of people (sheep) down and caused many (sheep) to stumble. I fear leadership positions myself. It is judged so much more. Repent and ask forgiveness from the Lord and the sheep. And all the so called spiritual fathers watching . Shame on all of you! You to are partakers of this.
I did not think I could find the words to express my feelings over all this, but I did.
Would these people have prayed for Jim Jones’ wife and children to return to him if they had separated….and died with the other 900 plus people in this suicide cult ?
Would they have prayed for David Koresh’s wife and children to return to him prior to Waco ?
If Todd’s sin is limited to heterosexual adultery, I will be a very relieved person as my fears are his menace to tens of millions of naive people via The Internet and God TV.
The Bible makes clear we will not completely eliminate sin prior to Rapture and Second Coming. We can do out utmost but
there is sewing in good soil and futile sewing in bad soil.
This applies to prayer as well.
I praise God for the many Todd will not now be able to deceive and pray this exposure of an evil heretical cult inside The Church continues.
I pray many who are still deceived by Todd and associates are “snatched from The Fire” (Jude) or rather “snatched from Freshfire” and restored to Jesus Christ, The One True Annointed One (ie The Christ).
God The Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit please bless Miriam, her family and this website.
Will “The Counsel” Joyner, Wagner, Ahn, Arnott, King, Johnson be as vocal condemming Todd as they were at all who questioned him? Or will they tip toe away in silence?
The scripture says all things will be revealed and I hope that many will come to understand that this WHOLE group of charletans are nothing more than cheap con men out to seduce your wallet caring nothing for your soul…and maybe at somepoint some of them will learn that phoney, false revival will only stir God’s anger until He deals with each one of them unless they obediantly sit down in the corner and study the definition of the word REPENT!
Perhaps you will kindly improve on this prototype on how to form a deadly heretical cult in 2008.
Just suppose you want to start a cult in 2008 to lead up to a billion sincere Christians away from The Trinity, Jesus Christ as Creator of The World, Original Sin, The Virgin Birth (and necessity for it), The Sinless life of Jesus Christ THE ONLY ANOINTED ONE (which is what CHRIST means), The Cross, The Death, The Resurrection of Lord Jesus Christ THE ONLY MEDIATOR who ALONE is THE ONLY WAY TO FORGIVENESS OF SIN AND ETERNAL LIFE IN HEAVEN.
What do you need ?
A TV station which is branded Christian (but is not)
A very expensive New York PR company which places (in guise of genuine bloggers) on blogs they create and existing blogsites and on Wikopedia and the mainstream media the fact that this cult is CHRISTIAN.
Internet and Youtube marketing.
Email lists of enthusiastic sincere Christians desperate for revival who will naively forward on any positive report of “salvations, healings, miracles etc”. This reaches tens of millions in a few days.
People who have no knowledge of Church history AND MOREOVER REFUSE TO SEEK WISDOM (the first gift listed in 1 Corinthians 12 ahead of prophecy) which is the only gift God guarantees to all who ask (James’ letter) and which God wrote the sales manual for (Proverbs).
People who have no knowledge that all really dangerous cults and herecies ALWAYS start inside the Church and often use a bible almost identical to The Bible…and 96% of times they quote accurate scriptures….(96% is 6.666 divided by 7).
People who want healings and miracles as in Acts but reject the standard of holiness demanded in Acts (like
Annias and Saphira).
People who want abundant healings and supernatural like in Acts but do not realise prison, whippings, slavery, torture, execution (crucifixtion, being eaten by the lions,beheading, boiling in oil) and persecution were daily events for Christians including all The Apostles.
Their children were enslaved, castrated, forced to work as prostitutes. Their homes were confiscated. Still want the package deal ?
People who want to meet Angels and be in The Third Heaven but do not want the full price (Paul’s necessary painful constant THORN IN THE FLESH to avoid Paul getting puffed up with pride). Peter met Angels but spent lots of time in prison. John wrote Revelations in the vile salt mines as a slave.
An ultra greedy group of Christians who will do anything for money and popularity and bully without mercy any who question the movement.
Nicolatians ie the type of power hungry types who want to enslave others and decide if and who other people can marry, work, live, talk to etc The Shepherding and Submission movement of the 1970s
The sexually hungry who want a licence to force others to meet their lusts and will do anything to get it.
You need to educate people to not think for themselves, indeed to see it as sinful, but rather obey Prophets who prophecy more in a day than all The Old Testament Prophets did in their lifetimes.
You need to sell the idea, at least sow the seed, that
people must not question leaders and equate leaders to Holy God Himself.
But above all….well meaning people who will attack with huge force any who warn that cults do form from within The Church and The Bible expressly commands us to watch out for them. People who mistakenly think LOVE is GOD and do not understand God’s Love includes God’s Judgment (very severe) and God’s Justice as well as God’s Mercy.
So Rory and Wendy Alec of God TV, Peter Wagner, Bob Jones, Patricia King, Che Ahn, Sharon Stone, Trevor Baker, Paul Cain, Rick Joyner, you have built your cult, enjoy it while it lasts…sooner or later God will show you that He will not be mocked.
I really just read the release, and noticed that in usual Freshfire style, they spent 15 words on the apology not one being REPENT and then 250 words on how great they are and all that they are doing including schools to teach these same beliefs to fresh young victims…this ain’t over yet.
For the people that might say, “it is only on an emotional level,”
Jesus says, Matthew 5:27-32
27 You have heard that it was said, “DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.” 28 But I am indeed saying to you that every one who looks at a woman to want her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
TB and his ilk have been having extra marital affairs with the mistress “Self” for years
2Ti 3:1 ¶ This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Mark 7:14 “And when He had called all the people unto Him He said unto them,Hearken unto me everyone of you and understand:
15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him:but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
16 If any man have ears to hear let him hear.
17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable
18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive,that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him:
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly..
20 And he said That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man,
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts,covetousness,wickedness,deceipt,lasciviousness,an evil eye, blasphemy,pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within and defile a man.’
Who was it? We area all wondering even if it is not right.
This is SO sad. I pray that the Todd’s eyes, those of his family, and the eyes of his staff open up to the deception they are under.
I’m trying to put Todd’s heart attack on this timeline… was it also 2006?
I’m so glad that part of the truth about this freak is coming out. Many people will still believe in this freak and he will continue to deceive millions of other people. I’m a christian but I’m a militant christian who’s tired of freaks like Todd deceiving good people and taking their money. I hope the whole truth comes out about him and the other jerks who promoted him. I feel sorry for people who are so gullible and fell for his untruths. He should be ashame of himself and this is my opinion and not a judgement on this phony freak.
Who is the “other” woman???
Who is the marriage breaking tramp???
I hope the TB coherts go down too.
Peter Wagner, Pat King, James Goll, Bobby Connor,
and so many others.
They are just as guilty of sin as Todd Bentley.
You know why? Because i emailed them months ago and
declared Todd would fall. They did not care.
They are “Jesus Only”, “Oneness”, and do not believe in
the Father or the Holy Spirit as persons.
Followers of William Branham, who preached that if you
believe in the Trinity, you are going to hell!!!
All these self appointed “Apostles” and “Mystics”
need to go down with Todd Bentley.
God help us all to see truth!!!
Shame on you Todd Bentley!!!
I don’t know how to fix this and it is very, very frustrating. Ijust typed something that really took me some time and thought and in my correcting some things and rewording it disappaered because your Top Post column keeps overlapping the comments box. So when I move the curser with the mouse to the end of the line I end up linking to the “top post” and then my comment goes bye bye.
Is there any way to fix that eithet on my end or yours to get it off of the comment box? Please.
Your previous comment did not come through so I cannot do anything about it – sorry
I asked if anyone in the renewal movement leadership was listening. Apparently, some are, and they’re beginning to speak out! http://northwestmusings.wordpress.com/2008/08/17/the-dancing-continues-can-you-do-the-twist/
Alan Hawkins, a Pastor in the renewal movement is speaking out. He Pastor’s a Church in Albuquerque, N.M. called New Life City. He made this comment on his blog today:
“I for one hope we play this out just as publicly as we played out the endorsement of Todd Bentley. Our repentance should be as public as our proclamation of revival. Let’s go on God TV and tell the world about our failure, our weakness and our courage to face problems openly and without fear. Todd will find forgiveness from his Christian family. The overseers will find understanding from the body of Christ. And we should expect to find them all open and transparent. I will have more to say about this.”
Thank you, Alan. Your forthrightness is refreshing.
Gal. 5:14 For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.”
Gal. 6:1 Brethren, even if anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, so that you too will not be tempted.
Looks like the dragon is done shaking TB and has spit him out.
I’m sorry for all those hurt by this….except the leaders who embraced TB’s ministry. May they take a BIG hit of credibility and may this open the eyes of some of the sheep anyway.
How very very sad.
Sexual sins are out of control in the church today..many of our leaders have fallen due to sexual sins..lust of the flesh..accountable, repentance, forgiveness, and reconcilation to the Father is what is need, along with counseling and facing the consequences of thier failures. There must be higher standards in place..because sexual sin in the church is no different than in the world..what are churches doing about this with thier members who have been caught of in the lusts of their flesh..in allowing themselves to enter into sexual sins?
8-17-08 / 9:04 EST
Greetings!
How would one go about getting a refund from anyone associate with Todd Bentley, since we were obviously unwillingly lead astray?
Thank you.
Best Regards,
Byron Swetland
Shouldn’t someone start a class action suit??
Consult a lawyer re fraud and false advertising?
By the way someone threatened Peter Popoff with not only the law but exposure to get their money back, and they got it back.
And learn from it for next time to test men biblically so you will not fall for it the next time. They could steal your soul, not just some dollars….
Why is it this does not surprise me? Sheep listen to your TRUE Shephard. He knows your name.
Why does this not surprise me?
Will this be a heads-up to the revival leaders and those who publicly endorsed him and anointed him an “apostle”? Will this cause God TV to rethink its brainless programming and money-grabbing attitudes? Will the thousands of gullible christians who defended every abhorrent practise and word from his lips be shamed? Will anything radically change in this Laodicean church…..
….NOPE
This is a terrible situation, of course, but there’s a much bigger problem than simply the breakup of Bentley’s marriage, and the new allegation of an adulterous relationship with a female staff member. On June 23, C. Peter Wagner and his apostolic gang commissioned Bentley. There were prophecies pronounced over him supposedly from God Himself. All the big names of today’s apostolic / prophetic fiasco were on stage in support of Bentley and all of them either brought prophecy, or affirmed the prophecy that was brought. Now that we know what was going on behind the scenes, how could these have come from God? I never thought they were of God, or that Bentley was a minister of God, but I’m asking the direct question to those who continue to support these false revivals – Bentley was supposedly commissioned by God through these people, and now his ministry is not only in question, but ought to be ended — if we have any respect for the standards of the Word of God. Why didn’t God know this was about to happen? Instead of the great commissioning that was PROMISED Bentley in these supposed prophecies, now we have THIS. Why didn’t the Holy Spirit know what these people speaking for the Holy Spirit didn’t know? I believe that what has really happened is that God has once again exposed the folly and error of these things – and has done it in a way that no objective person could deny. But many won’t accept it. Personally, I’m not interested in the shock or disappointment of Fresh Fire ministries, or of any of the other people that were on stage on June 23rd as a part of Bentley’ss commission from, “God.” Shock and disappointment? There is a bigger issue here. Therefore, what I would ask from Peter Wagner, John Arnott, and Che An, as well as the others, is this: How could THEY – who are supposed to be God’s end time apostles and prophets – how could THEY have FALSELY prophesied over Bentley, and falsely commissioned him? It is clear that God was NOT in this. God knew what was going on the whole time with Bentley and his problems. So how could THEY could have had NO discernment on these matters? I’d like to hear them answer this, for really, it is the entire question. THEY helped create Bentley, they commissioned Him – said it was OF GOD – and now we see they were totally wrong. That is no a small mistake. It is not a mistake of judgment – watch again the commissioning of June 23rd. This calls into question – for those who supported them – their entire ministry. Pardon me if I resist the temptation of sharing what I already know the answer is going to be to these questions. I’m sure the damage control machine is already in high gear.
David
What about the Alec’s? Or at least Wendy with her prophecies? I know y’all think I am down on the Alec’s and godtv…and you’re right, I am!!! They were instrumental in spreading this manure to the masses AND still are! Joyner was just on there…no I don’t watch godtv (the blasphemy channel) but I do check it out sometimes so as not to comment on it in error! And believe me when I say….I’m NOT in error!!!!!!!!! Full of FALSE teachings from satans agenda, NOT GOD’S!!!!! You can almost hear the liar satan lol because he IS reaching the masses through the balsphemy channel, and the Alec’s are hosting it all! Just putting 1 bad program on it would be WRONG, but…..gtv is FULL of them!!!
I have also been extremely critical of Bentley and his teachings. I think those of us that were calling him out could see this coming. However, there’s no boasting, “I told you so”, here. This is a spiritual disaster. I quit church several years ago because of the type of hypocrisy I see here. I’m no better. I think people need to hold Bentley and those that promoted him accountable. This is going to affect countless people, and why? Just because they wanted their ears tickled.
A few weeks ago I wondered why Todd Bentley did not write anything without the “editing” being done by Kathy Thorne.
It all seems to be coming into focus now.
Miriam, I’m so sprituallt sick and tired of all these LIARS and want to post this open letter to them, I know they will see it because they lurk here! Thank you!
Open Letter to, Bentley, King, Wagner, Jones, Joyner, Arnott, Strader and ALL the rest of you LIARS and Todd defenders,
You are ALL wolves that don’t even bother to don sheep’s clothing! You preach a false Jesus, no wait…you hardley mention JESUS, lie about teleporting into the heavenlies, Emma-O, “winds of change angels, (OUR Lord says “He changes NOT)” healing angels, talking to Paul (a real Apostle, not your LIE filled NAR’S from Mars) William Branham (another LIAR) and not forgetting your money, money, money message, just to name a few of your many lie’s!
The only reason I’m bothering to write this is, I feel led by The Holy Sprit and not because I just feel like it! And YES, REAL CHRISTIANS ARE TRUELY LED BY a REAL HOLY SPIRIT FROM THE REAL GOD who gives wisdom, revelation, knowledge, understanding, dicernment, in case you have never heard about Him, He is the Creator of Heaven and Earth, our Heavenly Father, The One that sent His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ to DIE for our sins, yes your’s too if you would only repent (repent means, to feel such sorrow for sin or fault as to be disposed to change one’s life for the better; be penitent) you could know Him for who He REALLY is, if only you would pick up the Bible, it’s a book that details the REAL things we must do to be saved and the life of Jesus. (the One that died for our sins on a cruel cross)
What you people have done is reduced Our Lord to a magician, a hocus pocus, here you are nope, there you are up in the portal, nope, never mind I’m putting you in the pillar of fire, wait….let’s go to the heavenly wine cellar and get drunk. WHOA… wait, I think you need to come up to heaven for surgery, let me get a angel on that right away. HE (Jesus) IS NOT a wizardly puppeteer that takes us on all kinds of science fiction comic book adventures, in UFO’s and teleporting us to the 3rd heavens and the likes! The only magic you heretics do is make money disappear from the flock! Heres a word that should become a “buzz” word for the likes of you all. FLEECE!
You sicken me and MANY others…you all say “we are from the enemy, religious heresey hunters, jealous of your anointing, Pharisees” and so on But let me tell you all this…we are doing what the Bible (a book that details what the One TRUE God of heaven and earth expects from us!) tells us to do, bringing your false doctrine into the light, and believe you me it DOES NOT pass the test of scriptures in the Bible! ( the book that tells us about God and His will for us) Pick one up (Bible) sometime and actuall read it, you may be pleasently surprised! You can find one in just about any store or CHRISTIAN book store! hint; you wont find it in the occult, witch craft, UFO or satanic bible section where you ALL seem to shop!
Why don’t you ALL try to change your ministries(?) read the Bible (a book inspired by the ONE TRUE LIVING GOD, Father of JESUS) and start serving the ONE TRUE GOD, FATHER OF HEAVEN and EARTH, not the god of this world, you know, the one you are all inspired by, ie, portals, lightning, pillars of fire. I know you all will read this letter, since I will be posting it at Endtimespropheticwords where you seem to lurk (can tell by some of YOUR posts it’s you) and post! Days are short and “the winds of change” ARE coming the ones in the Bible that OUR Lord speaks of, The Last Days are fast approaching and it wont be fun! The time to repent is NOW lest you be caught with your greedy hands in the Spritual cookie jar! You are leading many baby Christians away, and woe to you for that!
Let me just leave you tale spinners and flock fleecers with this word from the Bible! (a book writen by the ONE TRUE GOD)
Malachi 3
5 And I will come near you for judgment;
I will be a swift witness
Against sorcerers,
Against adulterers,
Against perjurers,
Against those who exploit wage earners and widows and orphans,
And against those who turn away an alien—
Because they do not fear Me,”
Says the LORD of hosts.
6 “ For I am the LORD, I do not change;
Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.
7 Yet from the days of your fathers
You have gone away from My ordinances
And have not kept them.
Return to Me, and I will return to you,”
Says the LORD of hosts.
p.s. when the Lord talks about Aliens in these scriptures, he means “ones from other countries”…NOT worlds, so before you go on a rant and twist the scriptures, yet again, pray (pray,to offer devout petition, praise, thanks, to God)
A TRUE follower of JESUS,
Debbie
OhhowILOVEJESUS
I agree with ohhowilovejesus. I hope you heretics see this. And know this too, we are not going to bow to the “jesus” you all are trying to create in your image through Satan. So whatta yea think about that! This is war you apostates and God is always on the side of truth!
Another True follower of the REAL JESUS
Miriam, found this article about Toddy, not much new, just that he is in California staying with “friends.”
http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=732617
Another alluding to more bad things from Todd.
http://startnow72.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/the-next-shoe-to-drop-for-todd-bentley-and-joshua-mills-is-still-a-criminal/
Is this movement burning out? That would be a GOOD thing.
Dear brothers and sisters,
These things are a warning for all of us. Let each of us TAKE HEED so that WE do not fall. It is soooo easy to point to this or that person and say ‘Didn’t we all say so?’
Personal holiness, waiting on the Lord day by day, prayerfully and carefully reading the word, turning away from sin IN OUR HEARTS is what we need today. I have met pastors and church leaders who watch slightly off colour films, laugh at questionable jokes, over eat and so on. Will we not then reap this kind of harvest? To talk of fasting, self mortification, living simply and taking up the cross and suffering for the Lord is derided as puritanical and legalistic and so on.
I praise God that there are at the same time, many, unsung, unlauded, unknown who are walking the walk and talking the talk.
Rise up Christians!!!!!!!!!!!! Let us each take up our cross and humbly follow our Lord. Let us untiringly tell the gospel to our neighbours and friends and all we meet. Let us cheerfully live moment by moment remembering that HE and a cloud of witnesses are watching us.
Let us weep for the sins of our fellow Christians and in solidarity, repent, crying out to our God for His mercy.
The time has come for the people of the Lord to LIVE for HIM.
God bless you my brothers and sisters as we prepare ourselves to meet Him, who is surely coming again.
Amen, Amos! It SHOULD be a warning for all of us. So often we get caught up in bashing those who’ve fallen (and who totally do need to repent) that we forget the “lest we fall into a graver sin” part. Having traveled the US and Canada for the last 14 years and observed many hundreds of ministries and churches up close and personal, I can say with joy that there is much hope for the America church; if you count PEOPLE as the church and not the organizations…
The reason we don’t hear about these unsung heroes is that it’s just not sensational enough. I mean, what’s so exciting about a man married to the same woman for 30 years, never cheating, never stealing and never lying? I suppose we could start a website to criticize their excessive purity!
There are many just such men and women who PREACH what they LIVE and to them my hat goes off. Good word!
Amos, beautifully said….thank you.
I am not going to quote ONE scripture
We all know how to find the one that backs up our own points -
All I want to say is I’m greived. I am so greived.
I am in a little town, in a little church we’ve planted, trying my best to do what I believe God’s wants….
it’s embarassing as a minister of the gospel to be put in the same catagory as Todd Bently (just the latest in embarrassing fallen minister stories)-
why should the unbeliever believe me?
they don’t know I’m different than that-
the gospel I offer them is laced in hypocrasy because of storeis and headlines like this one-
I don’t even know Todd Bently, or Ted Haggard – they don’t know me and never will – but millions of lost souls know those BIG names and will dismiss me when they find out I’m peddling the same book as those ministries.
That makes me sad.
So sad.
So thanks, thanks to all (sarcasm) those who have fallen and made my job all that much harder!
TB’s face no longer appears on the fresh fire ministries home page and his agenda is gone as well. Now, maybe they can consider giving people their money back.
http://www.freshfire.ca/
To me it looks like Todd Bentley was a walking time bomb.
He did not get rid of his demons in time, then they puffed him up in pride and planned to shoot him down when the expected damage was to be the greatest but God has not allowed it to go on end. Get your own deliverance in time before it is too late and you have unnecessary hindrances still in you!
“The verse before Todd Bentley’s Fresh Fire founding verses are: “These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: “Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
These instructions were very specific and meant for the twelve. Context. You can’t pick and choose your ministry. You can’t separate the Gospel from the signs and wonders. The apostles preached Jesus Christ first and foremeost and the signs and wonders were evidence of their authority. Todd Bentley had no authority. He did not preach Jesus Christ, sin, repentance, self-denial, self-sacrifice. He boasted of himself (“I can preach with the best of ‘em!), boasted of his “miracles,” he did not even give glory to God for God’s supposed “miracles,” he left the Gospel out of whatever message he was trying to convey, he greedily asked for money. Any “gospel” message that leaves out Jesus Christ is no gospel at all.
Todd Bentley’s sin found him out. God brought him down from his man made pedestal and put an end to this mockery. Praise Jesus!
“Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. YOU WILL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS (emphasis added).” – Matthew 7:15-16
Father, I pray for each and every soul that was led astray by this man-centered message. I pray that they would not look for signs and wonders like the Jews but that they would treasure Your Word in their heart so that they might not sin against you. That they would look to You for guidance, for strength, for wisdom. That they would search after you and that you would lead them to drink of Your righteousness. Thank you for dying on the cross. Thank you for Your sacrifice. Please prick the hearts of all so that they may know that You are the true and living God and that you do not need men to manifest Yourself. For we know that true faith comes by hearing…and hearing by Your Word. I pray that we would all be willing to sacrifice our families, even our own lives for Your sake. And I also pray for Todd Bentley, that you would draw Him to You – that he would see his sin and that he would repent and be made a new creature…In Your name I pray…
I don’t think we have heard the last on Todd’s acting out with alcohol and affairs…
Lisa:
I feel the same way. There is way more to come with this story. I felt this way a couple of months ago. I wrote something to the effect of, “Give this guy time. He’s going to fall.” He did, and I don’t think we’ve heard everything yet.
Hey Guys,
Did you know that Todd hasn’t stopped ministering? He’s coming to a church near me next week. Also, from what I can gather from other friends in the ministry around America is that Todd is doing smaller 1-2 night church meetings and then getting out of town. Shame on you so-called pastors–You don’t love God’s sheep or Todd–You just want to get the crowds/money/and exposure so YOUR church will grow. I say YOUR church, because it certainly is not Christ’s!
Well, I guess Strader showed Todd how to get the Holy Spirit to help him lie, like he does him. (You can actually watch “pastor” Super-Wagner-Apostle Steve Strader tell a joke about how the Holy Spirit helps him to lie better. Just search strader at youtube.com and you’ll find it).
This thing’s NOT over, so don’t let down your guard.
My question is, “Where are all those super-apostles making sure Todd is sitting down from ministry so he can be ministered to and restored?” If they really loved Todd they would do whatever it takes to stop this out-of-control young man and rescue him from himself. I truly would if Todd and “they” would allow it, but I don’t run in those circles(Wagner-Che–Bill Johnson–ETC).Never-The-Less–I am still trying to find a time I can get close to Todd and take him out for some coffee and some speaking the truth in love. I feel so bad for him, his family, and all the other hurt sheep of God, that once again are just left to die, bleeding on the side of the “revival” road by these so-called–self-called super-apostles and prophets. So super in fact that they could not discern Todd’s sin and stop Lakeland thing before it turned into the sheep-meat grinder it did!
GRACE TO ALL!
Dr Mark – do you have more info on these meetings please, like specifics?
If one would have a record of his initial position, and could get a court order to exhume, then compare the current resting position of our friend Martin Luther, to the previous… I think one would find he turned about four times.
Questions:
After thousands died for the revolution in the 1500’s… Who are these Christians who reinvented and enhanced the weirdness of ordination? God calls and equips, the rest is man-made and mostly occult.
Why all the judgment? Ever heard of the story that Billy Graham could be freemason of the 89th degree (or whatever other levels the charismaniacs added)? A wise man asked me once when I was disturbed by yet-another-televangelist-taking-a-dive… So does this prevent God from using him? God reached people through the guy next to Jesus on the cross.
You are disturbed because God allowed this – to perhaps stir the picture perfect website and image and marketing and hollywood likeness of it all?
Does this perhaps bother you because you equate His Love and Goodness to how many are healed and how the well-oiled system works so well – and now it seems Todd broke God? God used him, piece of clay (soil-based substance frequently containing shit) and things happened because God is good. Not Todd. Todd human, his wife too. Needs Grace – lots of it… especially if answering to this gestapo!
Tell me (this question interjected by the Holy Spirit): Are you creatures ready to make a TV ministry of one of many of today’s real life stories similar to that of Job? Imagine… reality TV show of man losing it all and full of stinking sores… argues with God (a lot, more even than my wife)… But just hangs in there and keeps loving God as unconditionally as He loves us. Won’t really make you money, now will it? Remember now, we need to make the money to buy that salvation, expensive stuff!
Time to remember the 5 Soli’s perhaps? So start with this one… Soli Grata? How about another one… Soli Deo Gloria?
Entire websites dedicated to yet-another-human-coolness, and now the resulting many websites dedicating to judging him? Who in his life is helping this young man? Why the hell may the guys in the seats have marital problems, but not the guys up there? Why on earth does the pulpit make thee so much higher, oh pope-like-beings?
How about the streets? What are the chances of a bloke getting up and healing the sick again on the streets? Where us real people are… Can someone please tell me which church Jesus was a member of? Who ordained him? If you put two and two together – the system who approved Todd may just have failed JC!!! Can you imagine – Jesus… denied access to TV, not cool enough and no membership papers!
Conclusion:
What is wrong with Todd? Perhaps nothing? His theology? Perhaps just needs to read a few books – could be fixed. Most of the theology he fails at he got from a myriad of today-type-charismatic-churches in any case… So what then? Perhaps what’s wrong is that this makes the system look bad? Woe to the modern charismatholic church… Yebo! You break the rules, now you gotta perform to be loved again. Oh, and don’t forget to give that most important offering!!
I have taken time out of the church because so much stuff was going on in the 90’s. All I can say to this is, PLEASE GODS PEOPLE KNOW WE ARE IN THE LAST DAYS. BE PRAYING, DO NOT LOOK TO MAN BUT GOD ALONE. GO AND DO YOUR RESEARCH ABOUT THE BIBLE, IT IS TIME CHRSITIAN TAKE RESPONSIBLITY FOR THEMSELVES AND FIND OUT ABOUT WHAT THEY READ AND WHO THEY LISTEN TOO. MORE STUFF IS GOING TO COME OUT IN THE OPEN,MORE PREACHERS WILL BE EXPOSED. SO PLEASE BE GROUNDED IN TRUTH. AS THIS IS THE BEGINNING. GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED.
This is devastating news. But, I can say that he too is a sinner! So often we put pastors and leaders on pedastools. We look at them with perfect lenses. But, being a daughter and grandaughter of pastors, being in ministry, and seeing ministers after ministers fall and sin… I can say they are just like you and me! They encounter sin and temptation and are not free of it! Even Jesus was tempted but he didn’t follow through… we need to be aware that temptation will come but we as leaders in ministry and as christians have to be strong enough to say “NO TEMPTATION!!!” But, when and if we fall we know that God is all forgiving and merciful! Praise and Glory be to God!
So, all I can say is pray for Todd Bentley and all of the leaders that have fallen before and the ones that will fall after!
Be blessed!
I’m so thankful that this man has been exposed. I knew from the minute I saw him that he came straight from the devil. Somehow I doubt this is over, somehow they will use this later to proclaim him even “bigger and better” after this. *eye roll* Do people EVER open their Bible? Do they even know what the TRUE moving of the Holy Spirit is like? Obviously not. This sickens me still.
Okay, let’s see now…Does this sound familiar?
“Judge not, lest ye be judged.” How about, “You without sin cast the first stone.” Folks, Todd is human. Now it doesn’t make it right what he did. As a minister myself, I’d love to put him over my knee and spank his butt. What good would that do. Now, I have never cheated on my wife, but I’m not perfect. How about any of you who have commented…are you perfect, giving you any right to condemn what Todd has done? No! As Christians, we are to lift up one who has fallen and help them get through this. Unfortunately, there may be consequences that could cause divorce. Todd has stepped down and IS seeking counseling for himself and for his marriage. Let’s pray that all will work out. Remember, Todd did not do anything in Florida; it was ALL God!
Stan – you are a minister, and you so hugely misunderstand something so crucial and fundamental about dealing with sin and judging it? Wow. What has today’s church come to?
What, God lies and cheats and leads astray? Wow. Which God do you serve?
Stan NO WAY am I perfect, not even close! But I don’t lead the sheep astray, take poor sick peoples money, LIE telling people God told me to hurt them, tell them they are healed when clearly they are NOT, teach un Biblical angel encounters, get drunk, and so on the list goes of all the lies of Todd Bentley!
“Todd did not do anything in Florida; it was ALL God!” How can I remember that, when it simply and straighforwardly wasn’t. When you’ve known the real thing, the counterfeit is somewhat lacking.
While God will touch those who genuinely seek Him, because He is merciful, and so there were probably people who did meet with God at Lakeland, I have to say what happened in Florida was largely a combination of Todd, his (human) friends and demons.
Beware the sin of pride. Walk humbly with the Lord, knowing the hour. Let the Word of God convict you. Verses are not grenades to toss at one another, but are powerful to bring down the strongholds of sin in one’s own heart, removing the log in your eye that you may help another.
Though they seem successful for a while in this fallen world, the Lord opposes any false system set against Him. These will be exposed, and will fall in His time. Is He not exposing and condemning the false thoughts of “new appostles” and “new revelation”? Is it not the great grace and steadfast love of our merciful God that calls us to the feet of His Son to repent of the idols we have made of fallen men and their teachings–and even more than that–that our own deceptive hearts be rended for seeking spiritual answers from any but Him Who has spoken once for all in Scripture? We do not have all knowledge nor all understanding; we must lean upon Him Who does, and keep His word in our hearts that we may not sin against Him.
Contend for the faith, and stand firm in the truth of every convicting word of Scripture breathed by our Holy God that we may inhale and live open lives of forgiveness, mercy, justice, and love. And let us beware the great dark sin of pride, that we not fall, unaware of our own deceitful hearts.
After years of witnessing to my family for years, I took them to Lakeland and they got saved! After getting hip replacements, and returning from Lakeland, I visited my doctor and praise God , my false hips were replaced by real ones!!!
I would be a bit weary of anyone who tries to justify the behavior of Todd Bentley. (That was for you Stan)
And that’s before I heard of his current affair with a female staff member. His phony miracles, tongues, and conversations with God was already enough for me to accuse him of being either a lunatic or a deceiver (the latter of which I would be so inclined to believe). And these morons like Stan make absurd comments about how it was God who was present in Lakeland. Give me a break dipshit, that was Todd “the Fraud” Bentley 100%. That was not God. People were (and are still being) decieved by this miracle nonsense. The whole bunch of them associated with Todd “the Fraud” are guilty of deception and fraud. There are no miracles there, there is no Holy Spirit there. But there are innocent by-standers in Lakeland who have hope and they are being swindled of their money and it’s absolutely wrong.
I hope they all come crashing down and pay for their deception and dishonesty. The charismatic / pentecostal movement is a fraud in and of itself. It is not of God at all.
I think we all should keep our opinions to ourselves.Including me.Let God be the judge of such things.A mans life and mistakes are not to be used as fuel for vain and theatrical self seeking blogs.Our Lord says,”Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven.” and in another place,”Do not murmur against one another, brothers, that you not be condemned. Behold, the Judge stands before the door.” and “But why do you judge your brother? Or also why do you despise your brother? For all shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ.”
Brandon – classic quote from you while expressing your opinion: “I think I should keep my opinion to myself.” Can you not see the hypocrisy in this?!
Brandon, you go right ahead and keep your opinions to yourself if you want. But there are a lot of us who will not. We have learned it is courage to speak out against lies. You can quote all the scripture you want in defending yourself by giving us your opinion but somehow the rest of us are to be silent? Can you see the double standard in that? Stick around and read some more posts and you will see what a lot of us have come out of, what we have been through…we have the right to speak out. And in all my years as a christian I have not seen a group of people like on this site, that is so interested only in finding the truth. Will you not join us in the quest for truth?
Hey EndTimes I guess I’ll keep my opinions to my self.
I believe the outpouring was real. I also believe that Todd really has a gift. But we, as Christians, forget that people in ministry are human too, which is why we have to stay on guard ALL the time. It is sad. That is all I can really say. Todd Bently is no more immortal than you or I. We hold him to a higher standard than the average person because of the anointing and his position in leadership. He made the decision to do what he did, so now he has to answer for that. But his sin is no more worse than sin you or I have done….Sin is sin…is sin. We all know what is done in darkness will always come to light.
When Jim Bakker was in prison for his accounting fraud, he did an interview. THe person that interviewed him asked him why did he do all that he had, (i.e. accounting fraud, sex scandal, etc) was it becasue he stopped loving God? His response was, “No, I love God; its that I stopped fearing Him as God.” We all need to sit back and be watchful becasue the enemy is sly and we have to deny ourselves and take up our cross daily. We all need to make sure we pray for them and not gossip about them.
I am not shocked in fact I knew this was going to happen.
Many people looked up to Todd like he was a God it is idolatry. I believe Todd started out right at about the 2 month he was here, he started letting other things in.
For all those people that think Todd is a God let me tell
you there are many other people that have a prophetic gift
and healing gift!! There was other spirits in his
meetings like familar spirits that he let in.
And lastly you are not supposed to have tattoos that
is not religious it is just in the bible dont mark your
body he mixed light with darkness and some of the
things he said was not the complete truth.
That why this happened and God is exposing him like he
is showed other prophets that are not famous or big names
I am sad to know that patrica king is still backing him, even when the familar spirits started coming into the meetings even toward the middle and before all this happen
with his wife. I pray that he knows the truth and God reveals all to Todd and he get rid of the witchcraft and does great things for God
I would like to ask my fellow true believers as I am afraid, the sin of Todd Bentley be get infected and lingered on in the innocent souls who had trusted in him as a true prophet in the beginning. I think, even we who had trusted him in the first sight also need to cleanse our soul by praying on our own time to invite the Holy Spirit to dwell within us and to give us wisdom not to let a second chance for such mistake: a false belief happen again in our life.
Lavender I am sorry to hear about that The bible says that in
1 Timothy 4
1BUT THE [Holy] Spirit distinctly and expressly declares that in latter times some will turn away from the faith, giving attention to deluding and seducing spirits and doctrines that demons teach.
Matthew 24:24:
24For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (God’s chosen ones).
Mark 13:22
false prophets will arise and show signs and [work] miracles to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect (those God has chosen out for Himself).
I am not saying that Todd is the anti-christ but I am saying that he allowed familar spirits to come in this is what destroyed the camp. Why did he really never bring a bible up in the stage and really ever focus on that too, it all about fire, fire, fire where was the word too?
He has messed up even the Elect of God deceived-so sad!
God is Good! This why as God’s saints on the earth we need to be looking to Him and not man for our sorce.
we are not perfect also.we need to prayer for todd , to do the the right thing because he have 3 kids and iam sure that his kids are hurting as well ,I prayer that todd and his family will be back together again.
I doesn’t take a NASA rocket man
to see Todd Bentley should Be on the FBI’s
top ten most wanted list. A real & true
con man. He should be a carnie, but then carnies
would get a really horrible name.
All were warned, but few listened.
Steve Strader certainly never got healed
of His gout! Just think He had the mighty
Todd & His 3 ring circus there for weeks,
fleecing millions of dollars.
Marilyn Manson was the only thing
missing from His act.
Steve you even say your Brother Daniel
who is in Prison for stealing, is also
innocent for fleecing your Daddy
Karl’s flock. Do you own a Mirror?
So who will get all the stolen money?
Todd said with his own lying lips,
I don’t get one dime! Sure Todd
and you never unzipped your pants either.
get another tattoo or kick another old
helpless lady in the face. You are
disgrace and so are all these losers
who endorsed your stealing and
circus. Paul Cain, Bob Jones,
Peter Wagner, all should thank
Pat Holliday for helping expose them
http://www.patholliday.com
as she told the truth about this side show.
TODD will go down in history as another
famous freak show. Do you feel stupid
America? He is still snorting lines,
laughing all the way to the bank,
I would want to be on His Harley!
I hope his children never follow in His
footsteps. Dave Bentley knew the truth,
His son is a flake. Dave Tomlinson
too! IS this all witchcraft? lol!
I just found this website this past weekend trying to find out the whole truth about the Bentley coverup. I agree with noname on #64 – These are the days of apostasy. Does Todd Bentley have gifts? Maybe, maybe not, but how often do we see people move in Gifts and then fall. Integrity is not a prerequisite of a gift, they are given without repentance from God. But the integrity of the ministry is serious business. To become a stumbling block to somebody coming to Jesus is monumental to God. It alarms me the NONE of the people who supposedly believes in the gifts of the Spirit who did all that prophesying over Bentley could not discern problems or at least one of them walked in the Gift of Diserning of spirits. And then you read where a couple of them felt bad in their spirits and DID IT ANYWAY. Proverbs 27:5 reads “Open rebuke is better than love carefully concealed.” But hey, this is America. No repentance necessary, just “bad judgement” not sin. I know a handful of REAl apostles and prophets, and they steer way clear of these people. I heard one back in February hammer a couple of well known names, one that has even states he’s a prophet but less than 40% of what he prophesys come to pass. As this one guy said he’s no more a prophet than I’m a bullfrog. Remember Revelation 2:20 says that Jezebel calls herself a prophetess and can teach. I am not judging anybody involved at Lakeland, for I am probably not able to walk on water, and I do not want any judgement to be measured to me, but God’s Truth would have us to through winds of caution to any of these guys, now no matter what thy are going to tell us from there websites.
Apparently, Bentley has been in LA under the “covering” of Che Ahn who is “helping” Bentley with the restoration process. Whatever that is.
Che has the most to lose on Bentley; he has been the most unrepentant and stubbornly pointed the finger of blame at Bentley’s detractors, rather than to Bob jones/Wagner/Joyner and himself who FAILED TO SEE THE SIN PROBLEM.
I wish I knew what to do about this. I have no fear to confront Ahn but need the Lord to show me what to do about this deception at this point.
Such liars in the name of Christ.
BTW, isn’t the whole Lakeland “revival” a pointed sin of “Taking the Lord’s Name In Vain”?
An offshoot of the Lakeland “outpouring” is happening in the UK, in Dudley, and GOD TV is broadcasting live programmes. They have been holding meetings for several months too.
We’ll see what happens next.
Shalom my brothers and sisters! I too was caught up with this “false revival” and indeed I did repent unto King Jesus! I was upset with myself but we must cry out for alot of Spirit Discernment of the True Five Fold Ministry of Jesus Christ and the False Five Fold Ministry of satan, who works through people. As for Todd Bentley and other false prophets/apostles, I just pray for their salvation and to be convicted in their hearts to repent with Godly Genuine Repentance! Pray for the leaders of God who are caught in this spider web to be delivered and have spiritual ears to hear what the Spirit of the Lord is saying to them! I am free and delivered from this falseness, but I am someone who is Hungry for True Holy Spiritual Revival in America and that is why,I believe, I and many many others were blind at first to all of this. But let us pray to have such Spiritual Discernment like never before to know the real True Revival of Elohim’s Heart,Spirit and Mind!!! Remember, the Lord LOVES Todd Bentley and All caught in this demonic spider web and wants them to be truly saved so they can be His children eternally forever with us in Heaven with Abba Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit!Amen and Amen!!!May they Repent and receive hearts from Heaven filled with the things of the one true God, the God of Israel!
Dear Arise,
It’s not even the sin problem (altho that is definitely a problem!). (:
It’s the false teaching problem (ie, that Todd taught anti-Biblical things) ~ to me, the most egregious of which is taking the Lord’s Name In Vain as you mention, by thinking a man can command the Glory of the LORD God Almighty.
Lifting you up that God reveal His next steps for re: the deception. God Bless, always. ~Brenda
Hi All,
I am back to this web site again, wanting to know something about Todd’s repentent. Sad to know even in updated Wikipedia saying Todd has still not yet coming bak to the Lord. We all have done sin in different ways and I can understand Todd’s temptations. But, he just need to repent and God is there ready to forgive him. If he is still keeping in the dark, well…there’s nothing moe to say about him.
Lavender, Fresh Fire has an update on their web-site. Bentley has refused to get help, has not sought reconciliation with his wife, and is still involved with his girlfriend.
…”Todd Bentley has agreed to step down from his position on the Board of Directors and to refrain from all public ministry for a season to receive counsel in his personal life.”
TRANSLATION: The charlatan, demon possessed, con artist, adulterer Todd Bentley has agreed to lay low until this crap blows over