Kathie Walters statement re Todd Bentley & Lakeland

This statement from Kathie Walters re Todd Bentley and Lakeland was sent as a comment to the website, (thanks to the person who sent it in) and I am flagging it up as a post.

A bit more about Kathie Walters is here. This is the same Kathie Walters that warned that the negative words spoken about Todd Bentley (eg the criticism) was empowered by a Druid Spirit. Oh well, it made a change to the critics being satanists, witches and warlocks who sacrifice small animals in their evil covenant ….

“Hi everyone – re Lakeland etc.

By now everyone must have heard of the break up of Todd’s marriage. Unfortunately it’s not that rare these days is it, for many divorced and re-married people are in the ministry. The great Methodist preacher, John Wesley had a terrible disastrous marriage. Although he didn’t divorce his wife, she was a thorn in the flesh to him. She would drag him around the room by his hair, hit him, verbally abuse him, and try to wreck his meetings and ministry. I would encourage you to encourage people and pray for them and not beat them up. Bearing in mind that the Holy Spirit is “the encourager.” it doesn’t seem too encouraging to me to kick people when they are down. Where’s the redemptive quality in that?

{End times notes – Note again that they are attributing words and deeds to the critics that are not actually being said and done. I do not know anybody running a discernment blog who is “kicking” Todd when he is down. Just as they attributed words and deeds to the critics that were not actually being said or done before this. These guys make it a habit to bear false witness for their own ends – where’s the redemptive quality in that?

Furthermore, notice yet again the blameshifting and the refusal to take account for personal sin. Not only does Kathie Walters attempt to nullify this separation by saying, ah well divorce is not that unusual in the ministry – which says a lot about the ministries she is linked to and her view of sin (and she possibly attempts to shift some of the blame onto Shonnah Bentley by a comparison with Wesley’s wife) but she also says we should be encouraging Todd and feel sorry for him right now. Why should anybody encourage an unrepentent chain sinner? Seriously? Remember, Todd is the one that is supposed to have instigated not only the legal separation, but done some naughty fleshly things more than once that we are going to be hearing even more about, that will bring even more disgrace than he already has onto the body. And that is not all he has done wrong by any means.

The Bible says we do not hug and encourage an unrepentent sinner. Rather we rebuke them and if they accept correction and confess and repent, very well, we can forgive them and bring them into a lengthy restoration process (not the laughable nine months proposed by Wagner). If people do not confess and repent etc, then we should have nothing to do with them and publically shun them.

In Todd’s case there is not a restoration process back into ministry as he has never been in legitimate ministry in the first place, and manifests demonic counterfeits with no indication he was ever even saved, let alone has ever operated in the real or has ever known God – because of how he speaks and what he has done. For how can a man genuinely know God and not fear him even a little, to lie and mock him and oppose him in such a way as Todd has? And to mock and abuse the saints as Todd has?]

As I was checking on some of the info I came across some websites with very critical articles about Todd and Lakeland and other well known prophetic type ministries. Of course my name was also out there on the “hit lists,” but I am not as big and famous as people like Heidi Baker, Bob Jones, Todd, Rick Joyner etc., so they didn’t spend all that time on me as they do with people like Rick, Bob J, Bobby Conner, and Paul Keith.

{If your name is on the ‘hit list’, is there a reason for it, Kathie Walters? There is, evidently, as you are a false teacher and false prophetess. As are the other names you mention who preach a warped twisted gospel inspired by evil. So why don’t you repent? Is the money too good?  Or do you love darkness? Or do you just not care?]

I felt very sick after I read some of the stuff. I mean physically sick. I wondered what it was about the articles that affected me that way. Then I realized that it was bitterness.

{What, you were feeling bitter? Or was God calling you a bitter root that would defile many? Fot you do indeed defile.

It is irrespective that you felt sick (typical Charismatic, led by feelings over the word of God) – rather what matters is, was there truth in what was actually said? What does the BIBLE – not your feelings – say? How do you weigh up when compared to that? Not well, evidently.

Regardless, the truth is hard to take, but why don’t you love the truth Kathie? Why do you prefer to live a lie and to cloak yourself in darkness?  You cannot take money with you to the Lake of Fire.]

In Hebrews 12 it has a very strong warning about bitterness

Heb 12:14-15

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled; KJV

[This scripture is blatantly distorted as criticism and the watchman/discernment ministry has never been refered to as a bitter root.]

Many people have forwarded me emails they have received that were mean, unkind and very bitter…

{She means by that, I imagine, emails that were ”critical” with words that opposed her and her cronies – but that does not mean the words or people behind them are “mean, unkind or bitter”. Jesus and the apostles opposed false prophets like Walters and they did it out of love and concern for the flock as well as out of obedience to God.

Of course Kathie Walters will slander her critics, and question their motives, for how else will she defend being exposed with the actual facts? She cannot by the actual word of God as some of her words and practises are scripturally indefensible, so instead she and her associates will resort to cheap diversionary and shut up tactics like “touch not my anointed” “Judge not”, “criticism is unloving” and all the usual garbage they tout.

I would also suggest it is ones like her that bears false witness against those that speak out about their works of darkness are the ones really being mean and ungodly etc.]

and I have replied to them, saying, “Unsubscribe from that list, it is full of bitterness.” Bitterness can come out of someone and DEFILE other people.

{What about false prophecy, false teaching, heresy, lies, greed, lusts, abuse and charlatanism? That defiles doesn’t it? Why don’t you warn people to “unsubscribe” from Lakeland, Todd Bentley and the NAR apostolic-prophetic movement which is defiled at its very core? Even a little leaven goes through the batch, and in Todd’s case it is more than just a little leaven….]

Isn’t it odd that some sins, especially sexual sins are just not acceptable, but unkind words, unforgiveness, anger, spite, critical spirits, fear and skepticism are tolerated!

{Notice Walters put down of critics once again as being “unforgiving, angry, spiteful, fearful, critical and religious spirits and skeptics.”  But then Walters is criticising the critics so that makes HER a critic and responsible does it not for these sins too. Unless it is only she who is able to criticise in love?

The only ones who are fearful and angry of honest weighing and judgment as per Biblical guidelines and discerning criticism are the false prophets and teachers, because they are then exposed for what they are! No lover of darkness wants the light shone on them, but any child of the light not just is unafraid of the light but welcomes the light and bids it shine ever brighter!

Furthermore Walters makes the claims that the sins she mentions (if they truly exisisted where she claims them to be) are not just accepted but tolerated. They are not by me or any legitmate Christian I know. Perhaps this says much of your prophetic-apostolic movement, Kathie Walters, as they are the ones that have rushed to condemn the separation/divorce, but are not prepared to correct the greed, fraud and charlatanism. This speaks volumes.]

(it does classify in Revelation 21 that the unbelieving and fearful will be cast into the lake of fire along with the murderers).

{Perhaps Kathie could remind me where the beast and the false prophet and its followers she is aligned with will end up?]

Funny enough a couple of the articles that were full of bitterness and resentment said they were saying (more like spewing) all these things ” in love.” There was nothing loving about any of it. When you speak in love – you appeal – you don’t make blanket judgments.

{Wow! What a hypocrit! She has made blanket judgements about the critics and is far from ‘appealing’ here!

Of course what she is saying is not biblically true either.]

 Jesus gave us a warning about making judgments – He said they would come back to you.

{Err….no, He did not. Not in this sense. He said by the same measure you judge others, you will be judged yourself, but that is not the same thing at all as the “scary” thing Walters implies. And the righteous man has nothing to fear from this statement if he applies the exact same plumbline to himself as he does to others. So if discernment ministries scutinise their own doctrine or prophecies, in the very same way they scrutinise others, then this is fine, isn’t it?! What is scary about that? Only the hypocrit or deciever is ’scared’ by this scripture – or more like attempts to scare others with it - as it is a warning about hypocrits and decievers, not those who honestly weigh and test and judge ALL things – doesn’t indeed, Walters testify against herself here by saying it is ’scary’?

There are also two different forms of judgment that Kathie Walters deliberately distorts and twists and confuses - the judging as in the final judgment that is no man’s job, and the judgment of false prophets and false prophecy and false spirits and sin that the church is commanded to do NOW publically. Judgment is the church’s job.]

That’s pretty scary if you think about it.

Did you realize that judgment come from pride? If you make judgments then you are assuming the position of God.

[Judgment in the sense talked about above, is the church's job. The church is commanded to do it. It is only pride that disobeys this command, and more than this distorts the word of God for its own ungodly ends to say judgment should not be done. Why does Kathie distort the word of God, threaten people away from righteous judgment by slandering them or making them fearful, and call it pride - because she does not want people judging her and her associates words and prophecies because if they do, she will be proven false. What a deciever then! She must know she is false to do this!

Note also that she is a hypocrit - like all the others of them - for she has judged the critics so she cannot even keep her own warped theology!]

We are not given permission to judge someone’s motives.

{So why does she then?

And seeing as it is the word of God that can indeed determine motives and reveal the very heart of man, we can speak and “judge” motives in the sense I have referred to.]

We have all done or said some dumb things sometimes. I don’t know any ministry that has it all together and has never messed up.

{We all still sin sometimes apart from the law. But when we sin we are accountable for this sin – even more so when in leadership. When a person or ministry has ‘messed up’ (note yet again the nullifying of GUILT and SIN by calling sinning ‘messing up’) they are accountable and they should confess it and publically repent of it. And if they do not, then they deserve as per scriptural command, rebuke and shunning.]

We have been in the ministry for 35 years by the way, I didn’t come out of the woodwork overnight, or grow up with the mushrooms yesterday.

{Out of the woodwork? She said it!]

Am I saying that we just swallow everything, that we never ask a question, or have a caution or use any discernment? No of course not – No we are not jump on to the first new thing that happens to come along. It is not wise for leaders to immediately endorse a new powerful event, it’s tempting to see it as an opportunity to receive part of the credit, if it goes well.

{Notice the elitist tendancy. It is for all Christians, not just leaders, to discern.

And the ungodly Wagner associates and leaders did jump on board for exactly the reason she says – to get credit – promotion and elevation.

“Am I saying that we just swallow everything, that we never ask a question, or have a caution or use any discernment” – but that is exactly what the apostolic-prophetic movement say. Go with the flow, God offends the mind to reveal the heart, don’t stop to think or you will miss it, and all that nonsense.

Furthermore, if this is true, where is Walters discernment re Lakeland? Re anything, indeed?

And if it is ok to have discernment, and if that discernment reveals something is demonic or otherwise rebuke worthy, then that must mean it is ok to speak out about it aka criticise. But Walters said that critics were mean and bitter blah blah blah. Apart from her, when criticising her critics. But then we must also remember that she said a few months ago that Lakeland critics were motivated by a Druid Spirit. So apparently it is ok for her to ‘judge’ and to ‘criticise’ – wrongly, as it turns out – but not others, rightly as it turns out. Hmm. Typical hypocrisy and double speak!]

Unfortunately, if it goes bad then they end up with egg on their faces and lose some credibility.

{Indeed who has egg on their face now? All the false prophets including you, Madam.]

If you don’t want your church or yourself to be attacked, then don’t have any supernatural move, don’t move out in the prophetic, don’t have any miracles and then you will be left alone (and bored.)

{But Todd did not have any miracles, nor did he move out in the prophetic. He just lied!]

I am not a dummy and I wasn’t born yesterday. My pastor was probably the greatest expository preacher in the world, so I did not lack for good theology and I could probably out-theologize most people.

{ha ha ha! Good one, Kathy. Apart from this being a really proud and arrogant statement to make, it is patently untrue as far as you are concerned because of your theology, prophecy and ministry, and because of who you associate with and endorse.

This one statement alone speaks volumes about you.

Furthermore discernment is based on the word of God, certainly, but ultimately it is not of the flesh but of the Spirit – are you just like the arrogant Rick Joyner thinking discernment is so simple it can be done by the flesh, so you do it in the flesh and get it wrong?  You certainly imply pride and arrogance in your own skills by calling yourself not a dummy et al. Or do you love darkness? Or not care?]

BUT – in all the discerning and figuring out – be careful about judging people’s hearts and motives.

{But she said we did not have permission to do this a moment ago, so is contradicting herself – again.

Anyway, by stating that her and her associates’ critics are “mean, unkind and very bitter” and “unforgiving, angry, spiteful, with critical spirits, fearful and skeptical”  – is that not judging the heart? What a total hypocrit she is, for not only is she wrong, and doing it for her own unrighteous and unbiblical motives, but she has not been careful in her judgment – and it certainly does not come from the Spirit of the Lord!  For what spirit could possibly endorse Bob Jones but a spirit not from God?]

Jesus did not judge by what He saw or heard – and we are not supposed to do that either. You can’t go by what you see with your eyes or hear with your ears – you have to discern the heart BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

{So why does she not discern, instead of opposing the Spirit of God’s work?]

I had to laugh at this guy who said he went to a prophetic conference at Kansas City – he believed he had a message from God and his message was not received by the other prophets who were ministering there. They didn’t know who he was and had never heard of him for a start. Well guess what? In his opinion, all the other prophets were wrong and he was the only one who was right?? He seemed to be very resentful about it and has been attacking them ever since.

{Laughing isn’t very ‘loving’ by her standards is it?

Kathie Walters is defending the Kansas City Prophets? This says much about her wisdom, discernment and prophetic ability – as well as what spirit she prophesies by.

Besides which, it is not whether somebody is in the majority or whether they are known or not, it is whether what they say is biblically true or not – even if they are unheard of and in the minority.]

I went to Lakeland – I didn’t get any particular impartation or anything – a bit loud and noisy for me, too “hypey” ( is there such a word?) But, I know many many people who got powerfully impacted and carried that same power and anointing back to their cities all over the world, and their lives were profoundly changed, like the testimony I just sent out from Michelle who just graduated form the school in Lakeland. That was a powerful testimony to the love of God to shower us with His benefits

Does that mean that Todd Bentley is totally “approved” by God in every area of his life? – not it doesn’t, but God honors your faith and He doesn’t use us because of us – more like in spite of us. Thousands thronged to William Branham even after he got to believing he was Elijah. People still got healed – God honored their faith, but God lifted His grace in the end. It wasn’t all William Branham’s fault as some of the people seemed to almost worship him because of the great gift in operation.

When a man gets into pride, (if you think you are Elijah I would say there is some pride and deception there,) then God lifts His grace and then you fall into the first hole that you come to.

{What about when you think you are the New Breed and the New Elijah or God’s endtime elite  perfect immortal Godmen apostles as do the KC Prophets and NAR apostles? Don’t you think there is some pride and deception there?]

We are all kept only by the grace of God. Humility is knowing that it’s ALL GOD by the way. Your salvation, your sanctification your redemption is totally because of God’s grace – there not one thing you can add to what Jesus has done for you.

{Humility is a bit rich bearing in mind the arrogant elitist movement to which Walters is attached]

People who think their calling is to correct the Body of Christ must assume that have all the answers.

{Err no, they do not. They are obeying God and His word. Why don’t you, Kathy, obey God and His word?

And note that you are not only criticising again, but attempting to correct the body of its critics, so are being a tad hypocritical yet again! If what you are saying is true, it must apply to you too – but it does not!]

You have to learn to listen to the witness in your spirit -You have been given the witness in your spirit to teach you. The anointing within you is to teach you. He will witness to the truth in your spirit.

{And He witnesses Todd Bentley is a fraud. And witnesses of the need to speak out about people like you, Kathie Walters. So your point is?}

But the anointing which ye have received of him abides in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in him (1 John 2:27.) KJV

{What kind of anointing do you have, Kathie Walters that not only contradicts the word of God, and tells us not to obey it, but witnesses for frauds, decievers and charlatans?

“No lie” – tbut here were myriads of lies at Lakeland in Todd Bentley and his associates – your ‘friends’ Kathie. So by your own testimony, repeating I John, you show what kind of anointing Bentley and his spiritual father Bob Jones have – a lying one. So why associate with them and the movement? Seriously? Come out of this lying beast’s mouth, Kathie, for God’s sake, lest you be swallowed up and be prey to its distruction.]

Don’t eat bitter fruit or take in bitter words – it is not healthy. The Love and grace of God is your portion.

{Healthy is not being a false prophet in an antichrist movement. You speak of don’t take in ‘bitter words’, but bitter words - by your definition - if true can save you – but what about lying words, Kathie?  They lead only to your distruction. Bitter fruit indeed as they poison you from within. The fruit of Lakeland is surely bitter …]

One time years ago when David and I were traveling in America ( we lived in London at the time) we ministered in some house groups in the North Atlanta area. On the Sunday we were due to speak at one of the larger house groups. We had not met this particular house group leader before and so one of the other elders took us to the house on Saturday night to meet the pastor in charge of the Sunday group.

We went to this man’s house. Myself, David, and a girl who was traveling with us on that trip. Her name was Sue. When we knocked on the door a nice looking man answered. He welcomed us and I assumed he was the leader we were there to meet. As he shook my hand and smiled at me- I saw a spirit of adultery in his eyes. It was not a hidden thing, it was bold I must say that it shocked me. I could see from Sue’s face that she saw it too.

{Did you happen to see this same spirit on Todd Bentley or others of your movement?]

We went on into the living room and there were a number of people standing and sitting around, chatting.

An old minister/friend from England ( Arthur Burt) was sitting there, talking to someone and seemed oblivious. I couldn’t understand it – surely if I could see this, Arthur could see it. He had been in the ministry for 60 years.

I was trying to talk to Arthur with my eyes- WHY DON’T YOU DO SOMETHING?

{Why didn’t she? Why didn’t she confront sin in the normal, biblical way?]

”Surely if I can see this brazen spirit, you can too.” Sue was trying to do the same thing to me. She was making weird faces at me across the room.

Suddenly Arthur put down the Orange Juice he was holding and gave forth a very loud message in tongues. The whole room was silenced. After that he gave a message or interpretation in English. It went something like this ”You have until this time tomorrow to uncover or be discovered by the Spirit of God.” Then he picked up his orange juice and continued his conversation with the lady next to him.

Well when we got back to place we were staying I went immediately to my room. ‘Ok God what Was that all about?” God said to me ”I couldn’t use you Kathie because you already judged the man in your heart.” I realized that was true. When I SAW the spirit of adultery – I was already making assessments and judgments in my heart. Not consciously, but unconsciously. With most of us, our minds are geared that way because we haven’t been taught NOT to live in that realm, of sight and sound and feel.

Of course Arthur Burt has been around a very long time, he is not a dummy. I am sure he SAW the spirit but he DIDN’T KNOW IT UNTIL GOD TOLD HIM.

The word he gave did its own work. We had a great meeting in the morning but in the evening the leader took off with a lady in the church and never did come back.

So I learned some more about the spirit of false judgment and how it is rooted in pride. “He Has showed you Oh man what is good and what does the Lord require of you, but to do justly and to LOVE mercy and to walk humbly with your God.”

{False judgment may well be rooted in pride. But there is a difference between false judgment and true judgment.]

If you have a word from God for Todd or anyone else – that’s one thing – go to them or someone over him but don’t put out your own negative thoughts and criticisms out there floating around the internet and defile others with it – yuck!

{This charge is not at all scriptural, for apart from Walters not even giving credence there is such a thing as negative ‘words from God’ (meaning ‘critical’, she does not care for the Bible, evidently and all its criticisms), let alone for or about Saint Todd Bentley of the false impartations, where does it say for the watchman to go and have a quiet cup of tea with the wolf and not warn the sheep? And what of those who have a word from God addressed to the sheep re Todd Bentley and not for Todd Bentley himself? Is false prophetess Kathie Walters counselling us not to speak that word out to the public because she will not like it and it makes her feel ’sick’?

The warnings are not all people’s OWN ‘negative’ thoughts or OWN negative criticisms but are solid biblically based evidence opposing Lakeland and Bentley – so many are the direct undistorted pure word of the Lord. Which is more than can be said of Kathie’s current words.

And again, what about all YOUR ‘negative’ and ‘defiling’ thoughts about the critics, Kathie - what continued hypocrisy! Why don’t YOU keep quiet and not post YOUR thoughts over the internet?! It’s apparently one rule for you and another for others.

Satan does not like being exposed, does he, Kathie? Todd Bentley and his fraud was exposed because of the internet primarily. You are bound to say ‘yuck’ to this, as it exposed you and his associates at the same time, you lying bunch of cowering bats.  “Negative thoughts and criticisms” – please tell me how one can be positive about lies, fraud, blasphemy and adultery?  More like warnings, get real and get biblical for once, lady.

The warnings did not defile others – they saved many from defilement – including being ripped off financially, led astray, and recieving demonic doctrine and impartations.]

If you are interested in learning more about how NOT to judge by the seeing of the eye or the hearing of the ear (false judgment) you can read my book ”The Spirit of False Judgment.” It’s on my website.

MANY BLESSINGS KATHIE”

{True to your kind, a plug for a product! And an unbiblical one at that… why would anyone want to read a book by one who is decieved and also a deciever – honestly?

Kathie, repent of your waywardness and leading so many astray with you! There are not many days left for you to do this. Get right with God OR face his wrath]