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John Arnott on Todd Bentley Divorce & Excessive Drinking

Thanks to Jennifer for directing me to this latest release here from John Arnott (of the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship) on the Todd Bentley scandal.

“I have just re-read the article about the Lakeland Revival that I wrote two months ago for our most recent edition of Spread the Fire Magazine. It was a glowing report of the wonderful healings happening there. Now it is with sadness and disappointment that I am writing again to our friends and supporters. You may have already heard that Todd Bentley has announced his decision to separate from Shonnah, his wife. I am deeply saddened for the Body of Christ that has been disillusioned yet again.

{End times thoughts - Whose fault is it if people get disillusioned? Those like John Arnott that help spread the delusion in the first place?]

I grieve for all the dedicated Fresh Fire Team, Roy Fields and all the musicians and for Stephen Strader, the pastor of Ignited Church and all his faithful folks who have been serving so diligently. Had any of us known what was just ahead, perhaps we would have been able to intervene before things went into crisis.

{End times thoughts – Oh wow. Had any of us known?! Many knew and they intentionally kept quiet about it! This statement from Arnott directly contadicts other testimonies come in from other leaders that expressed the HAD known. It is pure hypocrisy. (See also his Charisma Magazine Statement where Arnott claims he knew about the problems two years ago.)

And even if they genuinely had not known and were not told by concerned parties, as parties claim they were, how prophetic were they not to have known?]

We at TACF, Catch the Fire, Partners in Harvest and the Revival Alliance want to stand with Todd and Shonnah and try to offer godly counsel and support. We all want to see the good that has come from this ministry and the Lakeland Revival redeemed.

{Godly counsel and support. Why was this not offered before? And what about Godly counsel and support re the lies and the charlatanism and false prophecy etc?  The Lakeland Revival cannot be redeemed as it was false and rotten at its core, and was led by false and rotten leaders (I do not just mean Bentley). Furthermore, is not Christ the redeemer, and not the neo apostolic movement that Arnott suggests it gets redeemed through somehow?]

I have known Todd for several years and have seen God work mightily through him.

{When was that then?]

I went to Lakeland to support what Todd and Fresh Fire were doing there because I believed that God was moving powerfully in the lives of thousands.  I also knew Todd would have many critics, just as I had had with the revival in Toronto.  I wanted to stand with him and say, “I am here for you. Don’t let anyone discourage what God is doing through you.”

I wanted to be available to Todd if he needed advice. I had no agenda other than to see what was happening in Lakeland continue and to see Todd nurture this revival successfully.  I wish I had known that he was struggling in his marriage, but unfortunately, I did not.

I am working now with Bill Johnson and Che Ahn to listen to each person who is close to the situation in order to give godly counsel and confront the presenting issues in God’s love. 

{Yet to hear you – or anyone – even confess the presenting issues? The affair is but a smokescreen.]

We are all receiving many phone calls and reading much correspondence about all these matters at the moment. Some of it is quite hopeful and some of it is not. However, I believe that God can break through.

We all want to provide any help we can to preserve the fruit of this outpouring. We are doing this for several reasons. First, we love the Body of Christ and the work God does through times of revival. We care very deeply about the impact of the church’s leaders and role models on the body of Christ and the world. We also care about Todd and Shonnah, the Fresh Fire Ministries staff and all who have been a vital part of the Lakeland Revival. They are our friends.

Todd has chosen to do something that is wrong according to Scripture,

{And since when have YOU cared about upholding scripture? If you cared about truth and righteousness and what GOD wants, you’d have dealt with Todd months ago.]

and his timing to announce it was equally inappropriate.

{No, it was perfect timing for the apostolic agenda. Absolutely perfect. Todd had nothing much to lose as he had already been exposed and Lakeland had shut down based on the revelations re lies and fraud! Throw this in and suddenly people start to feel sorry for him, to pray for his marriage instead of rebuking him for his fraud, and forget the real reasons why he and Lakeland was criticised and closed down, and Todd is questioned and not the revival. Restoration is also offered as a solution to get him back on the road. And the apostles get seen as heros and get promoted and the real issues at Lakeland are forgotten. It is genius. Deliberate conniving genius. The timing of the press releases has been timed to perfection, bit by bit, drip by drip. This was pre-planned!]

Everyone is asking, “What happened?” “Why didn’t anyone see this coming?”  We are making the answers to those questions a matter of prayer, and are as shocked and saddened by what has just happened as you are.

{Hypocrits!]

Furthermore, it has now come out that there has been some inappropriate behavior, both with excessive drinking and also with a female member of his staff.

{And there’s more!]

Please don’t jump to conclusions or assume the worst,

{Huh! But you have just told us the facts though….haven’t you?]

but this behavior is wrong before the Lord.

Let me encourage you to hold steady to your faith in God and give the redemptive process the time it requires

{Confession and repentence and acknowledgment of guilt must come before restoration. And I have seen none of that from Todd Bentley. It is not just a question of giving it some time for people to forget and then coming back into false ministry!]

and let’s see what God will do. Because I believe in God, I also believe that nothing is impossible with Him. He is able to take the worst situation and turn it into a great blessing.

{He is indeed. BUT Todd needs to repent.]

Be slow to speak out publicly and to judge prematurely.

{Uh Huh. Nice scriptural distortion there to try and shut up their critics and lovers of God’s word. But people have had months to ‘judge’ Todd Bentley by biblical criteria. So if they speak now then they are being slow to speak and hardly being premature. And that was even the case months ago when it was plain exactly what Todd Bentley was.

And John Arnott YOU and many of your associates are speaking out so you must have determined it is time to speak out. So if it is OK for you, why is it not OK for others? One rule for you and another for those you do not like what they say? This is called hypocrisy.]

It is time to treat these people with grace, like you would like to be treated when you fall or make a mistake.

{Sure. Treating people with grace though is NOT the same as not speaking out or not demanding a public apology from them when they have “made a mistake”. I am happy to treat with Bentley with grace – despite his heinous deeds that have NOT yet been spoken of – IF he repents and gets right with God. NOTHING would make me happier. But it is dependent on Todd’s actions. And if Todd does not truly repent of ALL his wrong doing then the way of grace is to shun him and have nothing to do with him as per biblical command.]

Be assured that nothing is being ‘swept under the carpet,’

{hah!]

 but we are bringing it out into the light of God’s truth in mercy

{for your own agendas – because you knew about this BEFORE}

so that we can interrupt Satan’s plan to use this to discredit Jesus Christ by destroying the lives of Todd, his family and his friends.

{Nice undermining there again of the critics. Todd destroys himself (and others) by his own evil dark deeds – unless he saves Himself by becoming born again genuinely for the first time by repenting.

Satan is the father of lies. Did Arnott care or do anything about stopping or interrupting Satan’s plan re the lies before? Obviously not.]

The Holy Spirit, who is perfect, must use imperfect people even in revival.

{Correct, although the definition of true revival is another thing. But The Holy Spirit does not cause these imperfect people He uses to lie or to falsely prophesy or preach another Jesus or another gospel…or to be lying drunken fornicators. I John indicates that Todd Bentley is not of God because of his behaviour and because also of his teachings. The Bible also says such men are anathema – so why then does Arnott harbour them and support them, as well as being one who peddles another gospel himself?]

Carol and I always urge Christians to pay close attention to the issues of integrity.

{Ha! For real? What so they can coverup?!}

The scripture admonishes each one of us, “Watch over your heart with all diligence; for out of it flow the springs of life.” (Proverbs 4:23) Christian leaders are held to the high standard of being exemplary in character and all other aspects of our personal lives.

{Exemplary?! This is hypocrisy at its best – or worst!]

When a leader fails, the news spreads so quickly to those outside the body of Christ heaping shame and reproach upon the name of Jesus Christ and the church. The enemy wants to use these failures to undo the work of the Holy Spirit if he can.

To those who were blessed in Lakeland, do not allow the seeds of hope and healing that were sown into you there be uprooted by this leader’s mistakes. It was God who touched you and no one can take that away unless you allow it. Continue to give God the praise and thanks.

I am aware that the devil wants to tempt some people to say, “I told you so.”

{’I told you so’ ain’t necessarily the devil speaking, Arnott…. God uses that line too, albeit He uses it for righteous reasons and in love, but in all holiness – and that also reflects his anger. God is not just loving, He is angry too – especially about men like Todd. There is also a difference between weeping a thing and crowing it.]

Do not allow yourself to become his instrument by using the sword of truth without mercy in this way.

{Truth with mercy rebukes – it does not ignore and do nothing.]

Before you cast a stone, remember that you are not without sin yourself. This is how pride can gain a subtle hold in your heart. What you sow now, you will reap in the future.

{Turn on the critics! Note how much John Arnott is putting down criticism of them by twisting and distorting scriptures for his own ends! Then he tries to make the critics even more afraid of speaking out about Todd and them by claiming that what you will sow you will reap, so you better not really think about it, and only say nice things of Todd and not warn about him.  

What you will sow you will reap? What sowing obedience and righteousness? The Lord rebuke you, you deciver and hypocrit, John Arnott!

And isn’t ‘what you will sow you will reap’ an apt line more to be spoken over the likes of men like Todd and other liars and sinners as a warning now? And if what they reap partially comes, then is it not a case of “I told you so”? (God is not afraid of using that line!)

The Bible commands us to refute error and rebuke sinful men.]

Had you lived during the reign of King David would you have judged him for his moral failure?

{Yes, by the biblical standard of ’judgments’ as all should have. We are all priests and kings now – kings rule and judge as do priests – and priests and kings judge the church as per scriptural command! If it was wrong and unloving and unspiritual to judge why were there appointed judges in Israel?!]

While he was in sin, God saw David’s heart and knew that he could be corrected and redeemed. His sin and God’s judgment on it as well as God’s redemption of the situation are recorded in Scripture for everyone to read.

{God did not consider it a small thing at all. David confessed and repented of it (he did not cover it up when confronted) but there were still consequences to pay for years afterwards, including the death of his child. A prophet rebuked David for his sin so was allowed to “judge” and “speak out” in the sense Arnott says we cannot.

Nobody is saying Todd cannot be forgiven here and redeemed. He can. BUT it is the way of humility, confession and repentence – none of which I think we will see]

My prayer since 1994 has been, “More, Lord! I want more of your love and power.”

[The Toronto Blessing was not of God though. So More of what? Delusion? Deception? Lying signs and wonders?]

I want God to send us more revival with all its accompanying blessings.

{More? How can he send YOU more when he has not sent you any? Unless you mean more delusion.

Does ‘accompanying blessings’ by the way mean offering money?]

I want to see many more conversions, healings and miracles.

{So do I. But it will not happen at Lakeland.]

More than that, however, I want to see these days led by honorable and trusted leaders who not only have powerful gifts but who are pure in heart and character.

{Oh boy, I want that! But where are they?

Arnott is of couse promoting himself and the apostles here – “honorable and trusted leaders who not only have powerful gifts but who are pure in heart and character” – the Wagner apostles “spiritual fathers” Lee Grady is calling on – but please, these men are not honorable, not trusted, not leaders in the body but wolves preying on the flock and false brethren, they are liars, they use false gifts, preach another gospel, some dabble in the occult and gnostic, aand they are far from pure in heart and character… as has been proven just by this Bentley debacle.]

May I enlist your prayers for Todd and Shonnah and their children at this time, that God, the Great Reverser, will miraculously turn this situation around?

{No, not as you want this situation turned around]

Much love to you all in Jesus,

{which Jesus?}

John Arnott
August 17, 2008″

August 20, 2008 - Posted by endtimespropheticwords | Bill Johnson, Che Ahn, False Prophets and Teachers, Fresh Fire ministries, John Arnott, Prophecy, Shonnah Bentley, Stephen Strader, Todd Bentley, Todd Bentley divorce, Toronto Blessing, signs and wonders | , , , | 89 Comments

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  1. see also http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/john-arnott-on-todd-bentley-separation/

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 20, 2008

  2. So Todd is like King David? Wow, we are truly blessed.

    Comment by Jess Manley | August 20, 2008

  3. In all fairness, though “each man will bear his own load,” the primary burden of responsibility falls not upon Todd Bentley, but upon those who placed him in this ministerial position. Prov. 20:25, I Tim. 5:22. I find so-called apostles and prophets lacking in the most basic of fundamental discernment a lethal dichotomy. Shepherds lacking spiritual and common sense, among other essentials, is simply irreconcilable! (Ezek. 34, Jer. 23) “Like clouds and wind without rain, is a man who boasts of his gifts falsely”-Prov. 25:14.

    Comment by Fred London | August 20, 2008

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  5. Maybe Todd Bentley shared a drink with Paul Cain.

    And doesn’t the “Mummy’s having a little drink” sound a lot more ominous now?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 20, 2008

  6. You know what Miriam? I have a feeling more of these visibly “drunken/high” prophet dudes are actually drinking/smoking/snorting and using the “we are soooo drunk/high on God” shtick to hide actual inebriation.

    Comment by Jess Manley | August 20, 2008

  7. Jess: from my own research spiritualist mediums tend to have fleshly substance abuse issues OR sexual problems (eg strong porn addiction, homosexuality, paedophilia, other perversons etc)- food or alcohol. I heard a medium claim this is because the spirits feed off them and they have to be careful of this – well, whatever. BUT what if some of these Christian guys are dabbling in the same kind of spirits, they will manifest the same issues – alcoholism and other fleshly addictions? A lot of these guys also obviously have issues with homosexuality.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 20, 2008

  8. OK, this explains a lot! The “slaying in the spirit” before todd even touched them coulda been the booze on his breath knocking them down! I bet God will not allow these prophets into the “heavenly wine cellar” anymore…and Whoa… wont PK be MAD, no wonder she is turning on todd! I still think Emma-O is behind all this…she probably set todd up because he dumped her! Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned! lol

    Just a little humor

    Comment by OhhowILOVEJESUS | August 20, 2008

  9. Perhaps he is trying to turn the attention away from, “the devil made him do it” to ” the drinking made him do it”. Not that that’s any better, but it might “fly” easier in the minds of ignorant people. They may want folks to think all his troubles stem from an addiction and say, “Poor Todd, he needs our understanding.”

    Comment by Lisa | August 20, 2008

  10. Yeah Lisa, that sounds like a plan. Just a little rehab and he can come back stronger than ever to impart the fire on people again.

    Comment by Jess Manley | August 20, 2008

  11. Todd Bentley reminds me we are all sinners, you and I included..

    In the ongoing secular societies of today sex sins, specially sex outside of marriage, adultery is personally still taken much too lightly, but these sins for Christians also do have real, serious negative consequences, the disapproval of God clearly indicated now in the Bible. In reality when one has indulged in adultery, one has tended to also simultaneously or previously indulged in many other unacceptable sins now too. Over 55 percent of evangelical pastors have committed adultery now too in North America… and it is no wonder they wrongfully tend to counsel divorce too.

    The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein. (Proverbs 22:14 KJV)

    Don’t even look at any “strange women.” If you do, you will utter perverse things. Proverbs 23:33

    (Exo 20:14 KJV) Thou shalt not commit adultery.

    Now for decades, I write about, deal with key political figures who are all to be exemplary as citizen paid employees too.., I observe their acts, responses to my letters.. and let me tell you that the really bad guys are so predicable and they make it easy for me to look further into what they are really also doing wrong.. for bad guys rarely tend to be a little bit pregnant.. so there are the basics I look for that will shortly indicate their great downfall!!
    - their own positive or negative management style, are they power hungry, control freaks, abusers, and so I look at their ongoing performance record abuses of others including their discrimination, verbal or physical abuses, human rights abuses?
    - their attitude towards money, is it normal or have they become greedy, gone overboard, and so do they cheat, lies, steal, live high on the hog?
    – yes I even look for religious hypocrisy, even also next their adultery, cause I know it will predictably happen with the bad guys eventually, Proverbs says this is God’s punishment.. likely for stealing poor people’s money, or abusing the rights of others.. seriously too.
    - even the type of friends they associate, hang around with, birds of feathers flock together, for we even seem to know that alcoholics love to associate with other alcoholics too etc.
    Now I have openly written about our PM Stephen Harper too and Todd Bentley and others.. even that Todd was hanging around with bad people, such as the bad pastors of the Toronto airport Christian fellowship, and he was raking in loads of poor people’s money..

    Mark 12:38 And in [the course of] His teaching, He said, Beware of the scribes, who like to go around in long robes and [to get] greetings in the marketplaces [public forums], 39 And [have] the front seats in the synagogues and the chief couches (places of honor) at feasts,

    Lying, stealing, tax evasions, slander, gossiping, abuse of others, adultery, and alcohol, are the common sins of 70 percent of Pastors so why do some excuse or pick on Todd Bentley alone ?

    Yes even the pastors of the TACF are no angels themselves, of course this was all predicatable..

    http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/08/16/healing-todd-bentley-florda-lakeland-revival/

    Comment by thenonconformer | August 20, 2008

  12. Another blogger had a good idea – Christians who supported these ministries should boycott them now – via not attending their conferences, buying their books, etc. Let them know that the Body of Christ DOES NOT accept being lied to and the spread of false doctrines to the people.

    Comment by Adele | August 20, 2008

  13. “We all want to provide any help we can to preserve the fruit of this outpouring.”

    Why on earth would anybody want to preserve rotten fruit?

    And now we add “excessive drinking” into the mix, which of course Bentley was supposedly miraculously delivered from at his amazing, out of the ordinary conversion experience. More of his rotten fruit that needs to be preserved. Not the fruit of the Spirit of course, which includes Self-Control. But I suppose it probably is the fruit of the spirit under which he operated. Do you suppose any of this crowd will ever open their eyes?

    I wonder what revelation is coming out next? They seem to be deliberately releasing things bit by bit to drag as much out of this as they can and detract from the real issues long enough to make people forget.

    Comment by Cindy | August 20, 2008

  14. Rick Joyner in the history and future of the present revival part 6 says of his visit to Lakeland:
    “They came to get me to sit on the platform, and it was interesting how the anointing seemed different there. It was still good, but different. Even so, I enjoyed seeing Todd and a number of other friends I had not seen in a while. When Todd came over and put his arm around me, it was a hug, but I also felt I kind of needed to hold him up. He is under the kind of anointing that does stagger you and actually makes you feel drunk, which is why they thought the disciples on the day of Pentecost were drunk with wine. Under this kind of anointing I knew Todd would not be able to do some of the in-depth teaching and preaching he is capable of, but I don’t think that is the purpose of Lakeland anyway.”

    Comment by Jan | August 20, 2008

  15. You know, there’s one person we haven’t heard from yet in all this – Todd himself. No repentance, no regrets – only silence. Even Pres. Clinton felt compelled to go on TV and apologize to the nation, such as that was….

    Comment by bn | August 20, 2008

  16. sorry didn’t comment – I’m now wondering if TB was actually drunk and RJ knew it. Nothing would surprise me.

    Comment by Jan | August 20, 2008

  17. Totally agree with comment #6. And, if these meetings are just filled with the presence of the Holy Spirit, who needs even one drink? That’s a come-down from a pure buzz.

    Jesus delivered me from alcohol. They can stop by my receptionist desk and I’d be happy to pray with them free of charge! Or, should I look for my 15 minutes of fame and contact GodTV? *totally joking*

    The one good thing in all of this – God justifies those who stand on the truth. All the dirty looks by the brethren when “grey coats” was the topic were worth it.

    Comment by Kathy | August 20, 2008

  18. I wonder which “angel” told Todd that it was o.k. to have an improper relationship with a woman not his wife?
    In regards to the statement from Arnot that he wishes we knew beforehand the issues that Todd faced, etc.: what happened to the gift from the Holy Spirit of discernment? Words of knowledge? I believe this is a wake-up call for all those who consider themselves spirit-led. If, indeed, we did not discern the spirit(s) behind Todd Bentley, etc., then what is our relationship with the Lord?

    Comment by Marie | August 20, 2008

  19. PS to comment #11 – God bless the churches that allow people in the body of Christ who have been set free from a particular sin to pray with others there who need that touch. It’s been a rare thing in my experience. Instead, it’s like leadership wants to be all to all.

    Comment by Kathy | August 20, 2008

  20. This has been both funny and sad at the same time. Funny in that it is amazing how the Lord will weed out all these charlatans and expose them for the frauds they truly are. With Todd there was never any brokenness or contrition over his sin and as far as I’m aware there still isn’t. He spoke more about his angel (demon) Emma than he did about Christ!

    But the saddest part about all this is the lack of discernment in the church today. How so many could be deceived and led astray by this guy is beyond me. But I guess Scripture is just proven true again. 2Tim 4:3-4 “For the time is coming when people will not endure sound doctrine, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.”

    I pray that the Lord will bring a revival of solid Biblical teaching back into the American church before its too late.

    Comment by Robert Moritz | August 20, 2008

  21. Not defending Todd or anything, but the latest news is that Todd is staying with friends in California and is taking a year off to ____________________ fill in the blank.

    As we type Fresh Fire has a set of 4 DVD’s ready to go that highlight the Florida Outpouring, coming soon as yet no price.

    How many will be able to discern a different Todd on those DVD’s than the one that hyped them to give,to come get some, to believe that He was the will of God.

    God shall not be mocked, bringing Todd to His knees was a true move of God.

    Comment by geetrue | August 20, 2008

  22. You commented that is was all planned, why? It doesn’t make sense. Bentley could have invitations for years! And building his ministry on a much higher level! Maybe more free airtime etc.

    Maybe it is a other reason…

    Where I am curious about, did the ministry (and Todd) pay all its bills! Or is Freshfire now bankrupt? Does someone has answers about this…

    But please treath the man with LOVE! Do not trust him, but we can show mercy to him…

    Comment by Arnold | August 20, 2008

  23. Rick Joyner and the others are not being honest with themselves nor are they being honest with the people. No one should follow them, There is no annointing with them nor has there ever been. We must speak the truth because the Lord does have a standard that will not be violated no matter how they try to jusitfy, validate, or reason it out. Bentley has no indepth teaching, nor is he qualified to preach. He was having marital troubles before the lakeland thing, and the drinking and God knows what all has be going on. How do we know he has been with a woman? Because of his background, how do we know there isn’t homosexuality involved? Just what are they covering up?? in the name of their so called revival? Paul Cain is still being asked to preach, and remember Paul Cain was flown down to lakeland by bentley. Paul Cain has never made it right with those who were over him from his own homosexuality. This is abhorant, and yes I agree a major investigation should be done, I think it is getting to the place where those who do fear God are starting to realize just how serious this is, and are coming together to pray, I wonder how many preachers who have molested children are still loose because people were afraid to call the police and turn them in? We need strong Leaders to start calling for severe accountability. “Know those who labor among you. Paul said there should not even be a hint of sin, or sexual sin among you. Instead they accuse those who are calling for holiness, and rightiousness, they are saying we are judging, this is serious, what is it going to take?????? from Joyce.

    Comment by joyce | August 20, 2008

  24. God made a covenant with King David. He made a covenant of his sure mercies which is fullfilled through Jesus Christ, Acts 13. We must remember that when David sinned, he repented and he never did it again, He never committed adultry nor did he murder again after his repentance. He was contrite and broken, he truly repented. It is a Godly sorrow that leads to repentance, not laughter. God saw Davids heart and he made this covenant with David because he would humble himself and truly repent. We need preachers of rightiousness, right living, preachers who are preaching repentance, calling the people to this right living, leading people to the real annointing of Godly sorrow, true repentance is the most awesome thing, bringing the fruits of rightiousness, Peace, Love Joy all the fruit of the spirit. Jesus said he would send the Comforter to us, the Spirit of Truth. This Spirit of Truth leads us to a repentant heart.
    In the old testement they offered blood sacrifices for the sins. This was a serious thing, even if the priests weren’t right they would fall down dead and the cord around their ankles would drag them out of the Holy of Holies. Now our Savior Jesus Christ is the final Sacrifice for our sins, this should never ever be taken lightly. Knowing his goodness to us, his Love that took him to the cross, this awesome committment to mankind, leads us to want to repent. It is only through true repentance can we gain access to Him,
    Preachers have left this teaching, and are not having alter calls, nor preaching repentance to the people. the Lukewarm church is having programs and shows instead of real preaching of truth. Oh the Blood of Jesus, Oh the Blood of Jesus Oh the Blood of Jesus that washes white as snow. Lord we need you as never before, move upon your people, lead us to True repentance, and right living, lead people out of darkness into your marvelous Light. Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord, Lord let us be like Noah, let us be found faithful to you. In Jesus name from Joyce.

    Comment by joyce | August 20, 2008

  25. Let me give you a National Leader that I have known personally for over 30 years, and absolutely know he is above reproach.

    Dr. George Wood, the General Superintendent of the Assemblies of God.

    Dr. Wood; At the beginning of this “Lakeland Thing”; Immediatly put out both a video on how to discern a true revival from a false revival, and a written paper on the same subject. Both are down loadable at ag.org.

    It is well worth your time to both watch and read.

    I would encourage you A/G or not; To show your church the video and hand out copies of “How To Discern A True Revival From A False Revival” Everything is backed up with the Scripture.

    While not pointing directly at Todd Bentley and Lakeland, anyone with a thimble full of discernment knows that he and the national leadership were warning people to first line the Lakeland “Thing” up with the Word. And stay away. Notice That Not 1 A/G National Leader was ever On The Stage.

    Let us all pray for Todd’s marriage to be truly restored. That he is delivered from all the false impartations he has received from all these false apostles and prophets!(They have proven their own falsehood by having no discernment, and laying hands on Todd suddenly without test of his life–CHARACTER MUST BE ESTABLISHED FIRST–THEN THE GIFT RECOGNIZED AND RELEASED) we in the American church go after the GIFT first, and then perhaps, maybe, rarely, later we look into the character) Also that Todd’s eyes will be opened to the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, and not the waked out false gospel of Bob Jones, Dr. Wagner, and the rest of these self proclaimed apostles and prophets.

    Finally, all of you so-called apostles paying your dues to Wagner to keep your apostleship, will one day stand, as we all will before Jesus Christ to be judged by Him. You may want to ask yourself in this case, “What did I do to Heal both Todd, His Marriage, And the Body of Christ At Large?”
    I am praying for you all, not my will, but the God’s will be done.

    Love In Christ,
    MARK

    Comment by Dr. Mark S. Hicks, Th.D. | August 20, 2008

  26. George Wood did indeed bring out a statement BUT it was not at the very beginning of the revival, and was after some prompting by Joh Sharp and others.

    The AOG is not without fault. Steve Strader is AOG!

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 20, 2008

  27. I shared alot today but I have something more I would like to share. Jesus said his sheep hears his voice. He would lead the sheep beside still waters. The shepherd leads his sheep, protects them from wolves, and preditors, he sometimes will use his staff to break the legs of those sheep who continually go astray and put themselves in danger. He does this and then he holds that sheep in his arms lovingly. He binds up those breaks and nurses that sheep back to health, He loves his sheep. There is so much more that the shepherd does to help protect and nuture his sheep. How much more in the body of Christ. Yet there are dire warnings in the word, from Ezekeil, to Malachi, that shepherds are scattering the sheep, that wolves and jackals are devouring the sheep. That the Lord himself will come and be the shepherd. I know this is old testament for Israel but I wonder if is also to the modern day church? Shouldn’t the sheep lie beside still waters, to restore their soul??? Psalm 23, The Lord is my shepherd, He leads me beside still waters.
    There is an epidemic of sexual sins in the body of Christ. I myself personally witnessed, I walked in the act of a molestation of my son, by a church member who in another state had already been in prison for molesting his nephew. He was working for the welfare department in California, and was married and had a young child. He was molesting children in the neighborhood, I thank God I walked in on this, I called the police immediatley and my testomony put this man in prison for more than 15 years. The Pastor did not want me to call the police nor did he want his church involved in scandal. He violated a direct order from the judge and while this guy was awaiting his sentancing he allowed this man on the church property around children. The Pastor, the Leader, the Shepherd who was suppose to protect the sheep. Even the judge said Himself the church should be a safe place and these people were violated. I am sharing this because of my great concern that many are not turning in those who they know have molested, or abused, because they are afraid to because of their social status or leadership in the community. It is my desire to encourage those who know of this criminal behavior to get the courage to step up and do what is right. But I believe it goes a step further, How many jail or prison cells have to be filled with sexual preditors, My heart crys for a move of God to bring deliverance and repentance, true deliverance and true repantance to these people. Jail or Prison controls those who can’t control themselves. Oh how we need real Godly leaders to preach genuine truth to the people, to bring the sheep beside the still waters, to comfort the people. Comfort my people, prepare the way, strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. Help us Lord to be your instruments to bring your will, and your way. In Jesus name, from Joyce

    Comment by joyce | August 21, 2008

  28. One more comment, Jesus said he would set the captive free, that means free from sin, all of it, even sexual perversion of all kinds. I wonder if Todd Bentley has ever received a genuine ministry, I wonder if he has ever been set free from sexual perversion that put him in jail in Canada? I pray the Lord moves in a genuine way and that the Lord will send true Godly leaders in his life to bring deliverance to him. I also pray he has not molested in the USA. If he has I pray this will be brought to light and that he will be held accountable for this, even if it means prison time, perhaps he will find repentance and true deliverance. Only the Lord knows what has been going on in secret places.

    Comment by joyce | August 21, 2008

  29. Amen, Joyce!

    Comment by Lisa | August 21, 2008

  30. Joyce- he is not even a Christian

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 21, 2008

  31. DRINKING? sorta looked like some kind of sorcery to me.

    Comment by pat holliday | August 21, 2008

  32. endtimes, I think you are right, I pray anyone who reads this knows something, to come forward and please contact legal authorities since he is a Canadian citizen, the most important thing is to protect children, and people. People seem to be afraid to confront any spiritual leader, because of the scriptures being constantly thrown at them of “touch not mine annointed”, what they need to understand is that according to the new testament teachings we are all kings and priests everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord and is saved. We are all the same in Christ. Here is an excellant article explaining this http://www.inplainsite.org/html/touch_not_mine_anointed.html
    This touch not mine annointed is used by false teachers and cults as a means to control people and instill fear into them. It is time for the truth to be told. Thank you God bless from Joyce.

    Comment by joyce | August 21, 2008

  33. I happened to follow one of your links to you-tube(the one about the Bentley divorce, I think).
    If I read or hear one more supposed Christian warn us all not to “judge lest we be judged”–I think I will throw up.
    As I stated in my comment at you tube –many people actually think Christians who exercise discernment are worthy of a greater punishment than a false prophet,false Apostle, false teacher,liar, adulterer, etc.
    Those people are going to end up following the Antichrist without blinking an eye!
    I do not believe there is a biblically literate soul among them.
    Can someone tell me why they never quote Paul commanding the Corinthians to cast a sinning brother OUT!
    If God says we are someday going to judge Angels, and HE does say that, then we sure better be judging what is grossly false among us.
    I sure hope some of God’s fleeced flock take your posts seriously.

    Comment by Victoria Lynch | August 21, 2008

  34. Actually where protection of children are concerned, the Bible is very clear:
    “It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea, than that he would cause one of these little ones to stumble. Luke 17:2

    Comment by Deborah | August 21, 2008

  35. Thank you Victoria and Deborah, I do hope and pray they take this seriously, Our family had a wake up call when this happened to us. Church as we knew it wasn’t a safe place anymore, trust was violated and children were abused. Thank God I was able to think for myself and not listen to my Pastor because he asked me not to testify in court if the mans mother showed up there. I got on my knees and told the Lord I had to do what was right in my heart, and that was to testify. I did with shaking knees but He was sentanced to 15 years. I would do again today to protect the little ones. This turned my whole world upside down, church as I knew it wasn’t church anymore, and this began a new journey for us. My testimony is that the Lord never left us nor did he forsake us through this, and we left this denomination, Jesus was and is faithful and true, no matter the circumstances. Our God is an awesome God, I can’t praise him enough for his goodness and mercy to us. We were able to get our son counsiling, and now 22 years later he has been married for 17 years, raising a beautiful daughter and I praise the Lord for this. We are now doing bible studies, about the whole church system as we know it, I believe a great change is happening. For one thing, Jesus didn’t come from the tribe of Levi, He came from the tribe of Judah, which means praise. By the way true worship and praise
    is not barking like dogs and crowing like chickens. There is a true worship that comes from a heart that has repentant and broken before the Lord, who comes with a heart of Love and adoration, mostley through tears and gentle praise. The fruit of the spirit is gentle, peaceful, not violant and abusive. We would know them by the fruits.
    Here is a website I am studying from.
    http://prayershack.freeservers.com/article_whoaretheclergy.html There are many more articles there, I have only begun to study this. Because we came from a very controlling legalistic denomination, they used the scriptures to control people. It was like people leaving their brains at the door when they came in church. It is appalling that people are so afraid of these leaders they won’t confront them or question anything that is said or done. That is why cults are everywhere now. Men love power more than they Love God. This was never Gods will for his bride, the Church. This is why the Bentley thing and lakeland was so dangerous, and many more like him, there was no accountability nor did anyone question anything he said or did. How can anyone say this revival was annointed when he used the holy bam in the baptism and many other instances too numerous to mention that was said and done even the shirts he wore, this should spark such an outcry in the body of Christ. Lord help us to speak truth, only your truth in Jesus name amen. From Joyce

    Comment by joyce | August 21, 2008

  36. A couple of things, the title of this blog – prophecy, dreams, visions etc makes me think this blogger believes the holy spirit is active in the church today in what many have called supernatural ways(eek)!! A line from Arnott about conversions, healings and miracles is replied with a – “so do I but from leaders who display powerful gifts but also have integrity” – or something like that anyway. I want to live a life where I love God, I experience his love and where the Holy Spirit works through me where my life is a sign and a wonder that points people to a loving God who died fot them and forgives their sin. I have Todd Bentley books (although I have removed his podcasts from my itunes library and left a facebook group about him) I want to learn from a leader who moves powerfully with God’s strength and gifts but like you I want that leader to be honest and of good character. Do you know of any such leader? Please let me know!!
    Todd Bentley has upset me, I wait for his apology and repentence but I will never, ever, ever joke about him being drunk on stage or poke fun by saying maybe his angel told him to have adultery. God made us all, sent his son to die for us all and will send his Spirit to live in anyone wh0 is prepared to live for him, when people don’t recognise this or fall sort of living with the amazing love God has for us, whetever they are christian or not, we should feel compassion for that person – we love because we know how much He loves us. Sorry, I have found many of the posts here helpful, some I have found distasteful and very unhelpful.

    Comment by David | August 21, 2008

  37. Joyce, may the Lord heal your son and family completely from the trauma you went through, in Jesus name. (hug)

    Comment by Kathy | August 21, 2008

  38. endtimespropheticwords,

    You are right on. I personally e-mailed and strongly encouraged Dr. Wood many times to take a strong stand against Lakeland. I also asked if Strader had been warned or rebuked for allowing this to take place in his church. But, Straders father has a Big A/G church and has friends in the A/G leadership. Sad to say that numbers, money and politics reign even in the church, and we all know that big churches with “Big-Time pastors” get treated far different than small churches with “servant-pastors” that have to work outside the church to support their families. It makes me sick! I e-mailed Dr. Wood several times encouraging him to take a strong stand against Bentley, Che Ahn, Patricia King, etc…NAMING NAMES, Who we know are all false prophets/teachers/apostles. And believe me I know some of them ersonally and have had some interesting encounters.

    So, I am right there with you! I feel that while the A/G did at least take a stand, it was wimpy. I wanted it to be straight forward, and bold, and to have Strader warned and if he did not shut it down have his ordination papers pulled immediately!

    One Note, Dr. Wood was out of the country when the Lakeland fiasco started. That is not to excuse what happened but being in the A/G I know how things work, and they work VERY slowly. I am now asking Dr. Wood what we as the A/G are doing to help heal the thousands damaged by this false circus! And that if he and the executive presbytery would have listened we would now not be sitting ere with egg on our face. But, as far as Dr. Wood personally, believe me, I have known him almost all my life and he truly is a man of integrity and above reproach. However, he sometimes moves on things much more slowly than I personally would like for the sake of the sheep. Maybe I am just too passionate!

    Anyway wanted you to know that I agree with you!
    BLESSINGS,
    MARK

    Comment by Dr. Mark S. Hicks, Th.D. | August 21, 2008

  39. One thing on the famous “He who is without sin cast the first stone”. If you study out the Greek from a manuscript Bible and not out of a translation, you will find that it should read, for us that only understand English, “He who is without “THIS” sin cast the first stone.”
    And the “Judge not lest you be judge with the SAME judgment”. If you had committed the same sin as the offender you were simply considered unqualified to sit as a judge on the person committing the sin. NOT, that you should not judge all the false teaching which can be wrapped up in one word–”BAM” whatever that means in Greek? And also, all the multiple other un-scriptural junk going on continually. Forget about all that’s coming out now and that will continue to come out. (I don’t think we have seen the full darkness revealed yet, but God will make sure what has been hidden in the dark will be brought to light, if there is no repentance). You have more than enough from the very beginning of the Lakeland fiasco to judge, discern and say–”This is not of God.”
    Love In Christ To All,
    MARK

    Comment by Dr. Mark S. Hicks, Th.D. | August 21, 2008

  40. Mark - while George Wood did not go far enough, he stands out as a positive beacon of light in those months of darkness for at least he spoke out…. and was one of the few I can count on the fingers of my hand that did.

    I appreciate your reminder of the judge not saga and the word ‘THIS’ which I think I will flag up again as it keeps coming up. It also of course disqualifies the apostles from sorting this fiasco out, doesn’t it as they are guilty of the same things that need judged?!

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 21, 2008

  41. endtimespropheticwords,

    YEP! They’ve gotten themselves into quite a mess. That’s what happens when you commission/ordain a novice. I believe that God is using this to expose this false men and women and I can only pray that the flock of God, led by bold pastor’s, will really get it this time, and stop listening to these folk, quit buying their books/CD’s/DVD’s etc…Shut off TBN, and get into your own Bible people! I believe it’s only the beginning-Please Lord Let, “Judgment Begin At The House of God” Bring it on Lord!
    BLESSINGS!
    MARK

    Comment by Dr. Mark S. Hicks, Th.D. | August 21, 2008

  42. Endtimes,

    There are those who would intimate that “criticism” has led Todd towards drinking and an affair. They are painting Todd as a victim.

    We have new evidence that suggests that Todd has been doing this all along:

    Cary McMullen of the Lakeland Ledger said today, “This confirms what I had heard off the record from a source, who said he had received reports from people close to Bentley, of Bentley being seen in local bars.

    NOW WATCH WHAT CARY SAYS! “I was told by the Rev. Stephen Strader, pastor of Ignited Church, where the Florida Outpouring revival began, that although his church and denomination (Assemblies of God) have an abstinence rule forbidding consumption of alcohol, Bentley’s Fresh Fire Ministries does not have such a rule, which surprised me.”
    Isn’t it interesting that Strader could so quickly divulge this information.

    It’s all at this link:
    http://blogs.theledger.com/default.asp?item=2254115

    The evidence is mounting that Todd didn’t suddenly start drinking last week. Bentley is an “in your face” guy, who kicks people, Baptizes in the name of Bam, wears Skeleton T-shirts, lies to the Charlotte Observer, and drinks…All in the public eye. What does that say? Did he want to get caught?

    Comment by Dan-o | August 21, 2008

  43. Dearest Sister Joyce,
    Thank you for your comments. And I will be praying that all the wounds you received in the abusive church be completely healed.
    NEVER, NEVER, attend a church where the pastor is not under accountability. I desire accountability because I know I am just a man, and as such fallible. Our church moves in the power of the Holy Spirit, and we have seen many great healings, (verifiable) and all without me as the pastor kicking any of one of them. We believe and practice the gifts of the Spirit, along with signs and wonders following those who believe. But, it is always lined up with the Word. I personally took over, at the request of those I am under in the Lord (Accountable to), a very small church that hadn’t been able to grow and was down to 6 people. Now, because the Lord continues to add to the church daily those being saved, we are seeing 40-45 in a litle over a year. All without “Saddlebacks formulas” or “Willow Creeks” and Yes I do use the word “SIN” when I preach unlike that guy with the perfect teeth that has the biggest church in America and says (I heard it with my own ears), that he will not use the word sin in his messages. It’s al about living the good life now. Nothing about knowing Christ as Paul desired, in the power of His resurrection AND the fellowship of His SUFFERINGS. Anyway, God has grown the church His way in a small coastal town where it was said it couldn’t be done. We are truly experiencing revival, people coming to the Lord, repentance, People being filled with the Holy Spirit. And we are asking the Lord how to begin to enlarge the sanctuary in a church built in 1952 and never having many people. I said all that to say this in closing. (A Blog Closing, not a pastor’s Message closing?)I am personally under 2 men directly in the congrgation. Also, ANYONE in the congregation can question me at any time without being shoot down. I encourage them to take the message and get out their Bible’s and line it up. I want to know if I’m off! After that, I have 2 more men I meet with monthly that I am accountable to. And then many presbyters/elders within the fellowship I am a part of.

    Any man or woman that does not only desire, but also seeks out accountability should not be given any leadership role within the church. Not wanting accountability shows that they are immature novices. And when a novice is commissioned/ordained all you end up with is a mess, with the Body of Christ left questioning and hurting. And, Don’t look to the ones that ordained the novice for your answers, for by ordaining a novice, they have shown clearly they are at least novices themselves and more, I believe, false teachers/prophets/apostles.
    Get in a good Bible preaching church, where the pastor is secure enough to be questioned about anything he says. If he can’t point to it in the Word, or apologize for making a mistake to you and the church, then, GET OUT! I will be praying for you that the Lord Jesus Christ, the Head of His church, will lead you to be planted in the local body “He” desires for you to be in. You do know that there is no such thing as “Church Shopping”! People need to ask the Lord, “What local church do YOU want me to become a part of?” And them be obedient. If we did that, we would save ourselves a lot of hurt and pain from being in the wrong place(church) because we like the style of the music they play.(Not saying this is what you did in the beginning and being hurt) But, you can be at peace when you know you are going where JESUS has told you to go, not where you want to go.
    In Christ’s Love To ALL!
    MARK

    Comment by Dr. Mark S. Hicks, Th.D. | August 21, 2008

  44. Mark, your church sounds great, the kind of integrity I’m looking for and a church that encourages people to live for God in the word so that signs and wonders follow. Do you have a church website? Where is this church? Miriam, can you in anyway endorse this guy and his church? Sorry Mark, you can forgive us all if we are a little bit jumpy when wandering into the gifts of healing/signs following type statements. My fear is that in rejecting Bentley many will sadly reject God’s ability to heal or the idea that believers can act with authority, come before the Lord and heal in Jesus’ name. Are there any ministers to would trust to teach gifts/healing minister to your church? It is hard to pray expectantly when either you don’t see it or when you do you know it is faked!!

    Comment by David | August 21, 2008

  45. If Mark sends me more info, I can ‘endorse’ him and his doctrinal soundness based on that info as it stands. But I could not endorse his ‘church’ as a whole, as that is multi layered made up of many people, nor his character as I do not know him.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 21, 2008

  46. thank you for your support and prayers, I appreciate it very much.
    I feel so strongly that it is time to call a prayer assembly across the nation. I hope and pray that the leaders will see this and call for this.
    I contend that bentley should not have been allowed to preach in the first place at anytime whatsoever at any place. I pray for much healing to take place in those that have been deceived and lied to about this, and I do pray that somehow bentley will see his need for salvation, repent and go back to canada and get a job and start taking responsibility for his children. I pray for his wife and children.
    I also pray that if anyone knows something about bentley that warrants the authorities getting involved that they come forward and call them, for his souls sake and those who he has lied to and deceived.
    God bless from Joyce

    Comment by joyce | August 22, 2008

  47. First of all I pray for those like endtimes and others on here and other websites exposing the darkness, fighting the battles, I am so thankful you all have taken the time to do this. I do have a question and I ask this in the fear of God with a sincere heart and no ill will to bentley. But has anyone else here remembered that Bentley flew paul cain to florida and allowed him to preach??? Paul Cain is still being dealt with for his homosexuality and his excessive drinking. Now they have come out with Bentley excessive drinking. The Bible says not to let your good be evil spoken of and to avoid the very appearance of evil. Based on these scriptures, I am very concerned for the fact that paul cain was down there, and that they have said that bentley has had trouble in the past. This doesn’t look good, and that is why I feel they should do an extensive investigation. Fresh Fires is a cult and so is the prophetive movement as it stands now. Do you think they will tell the whole truth about this???? We need to pray because I keep hearing that people feel that bentley will try to make a come back, this should not happen for any reason. Even if he were to get counseling and repent, it would be wise and prudent of him to go back to Canada get training and stay under authority and get a job and take care of his wife and children. This is the way I see it. Thank you for letting me post. God bless you all, we will pray for all of this. from Joyce PS I read where he has been doing this for 10 years, that means he was in his early 20’s when he started, this is not acceptable nor is it biblical. I am so thankful for so many speaking out against this and speaking truth. I pray many more leaders will come forward and humble themselves and repent publicly to the people.

    Comment by joyce | August 22, 2008

  48. John Arnott came to Dublin Ireland with his band of merry men and prayed for all
    On the stage was Willie Stuart, Pastor
    There was prophesies etc and all was well.
    A couple of Years later a letter was found in a bedrom by a mother cleaning same, it belogned to a young lad who belonged to the Church
    The letter was about the relationship willie Stuart was having with the Young Lad
    Willie was caught and had to stand down this was not his first time.
    The church was shattered and the young people were scattered to the winds and bars of Dublin
    Now my point is that Homosexuals seem to be very common in the circle that Arnott, Wagner and Bentley etc are involved with
    Arnott was supposed to have discernment Why did he not detect what was in Willie Stuart?
    And like Lakeland it will all go away and be forgotten until the next time
    I could go on and on about what I have witnessed but I have kept it short as I don’t want to bore you and the light is bad cannot see key board

    Comment by williamsouthward | August 22, 2008

  49. William, bless you for sharing this, this certainly wasn’t boring, and what you shared only confirms this. It is very possible they are using the adultry with a woman as a cover up. But is there child molestation involved? I pray that there isn’t. That is why there must be an investigation done by the authorties, now that he is in california, people can still come forward. I do pray that leaders will come forward and deal with this.
    William I am so sorry this happened to the this young boy in Ireland. Did the parents of this young lad call the police??? When did this happen, it may not be to late.
    I have felt this about bentley from the beginning especially when he flew paul cain down to florida. This is blatent outright rebellion. I pray that what has been done in secret will be revealed openly, for his souls sake. We must continue to pray. God bless you William
    There is a sexual preditor epidemic in the United Pentecostal church as well, they hide it and most are not turned in to the authorities because they are afraid to go against the leadership. This must be shouted from the rooftops, the children must be protected. In Jesus from Brenda Lord Jesus bring your cleansing

    Comment by Joyce | August 23, 2008

  50. This whole thing is one sad mess.I dont know if Todd was sincere,but decieved or just a charlatan,I dont know his heart.The things he has been teaching is largely heretical.I have heard that there is no proof of any “organic”healings.In other words,healings that can be physically proven,where an actual physical change has occurred.Alot of people are disillusioned,but that is probably a good thing,in this case.We Christians dont need to be chasing after illusions.

    Comment by alease Brink Davis | August 23, 2008

  51. Got an interesting call today. My friend’s pastors went to Lakeland fro Oregon and came back to “impart” to their flock… Last night the co-pastor got up and apologized for bringing Todd’s teachings back to the church. Then later he prophesied over my friend that she had angels all around her house and she would soon be having angelic visitations!!! Oh brother!

    To Joyce – I also was in a church for a long time where there was molestation by pastors and children’s workers alike. After suffering years of that when I was very small I had a few years of repreave. Then, when I was in my late teens a pastor hit on me and started kissing me heavily. Said, I’m just being a father to you!!!! That happened with two pastors. Because of my abuse I had no clue until the Lord showed me when I was 21 that it was wrong. I stopped them immediately. Just goes to show how persuasive “christian pastors” can be. Yuk! Yuk! Yuk! By the way, both of those pastors lost their pastorate (finally) because someone else exposed them. Wish it had been me. I repented for allowing that, even though it took me so long to figure out, and am so thankful that the Lord revealed it to me. Oh Lord, keep us safe. Blessings

    Comment by marybee | August 23, 2008

  52. I just found this a few minutes ago, please get this to endtimes, if she hasn’t seen it yet, here is proof positive that the leaders knew of todd bentleys sins and they still let him preach. http://pjmiller.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/todd-bentley-last-meeting-they-already-knew/
    Now the ones supporting bentley are saying that they called Jesus a wine bibber and a devil, to try to prove that those trying to stop this and expose him wrong.
    Let me say here that I believe in healings and miracles. But not in crusades where big money is involved. There are many miracles happening in quiet places where people pray in many circumstances. God is no respecter of persons, he will answer any prayer or hearts cry. Jesus said his house will be called a House of Prayer not a den of theives. May God help us. Lord you said the gates of hell will not prevail against your church. I do not believe men should be singled out as some great prophet or leader, but all should walk if reverent fear and humility before the Lord.\
    What I saw on videos in Lakeland was arrogence, pride, self will, sin, deception, lies, defiance and a whole host of other stuff. The deception is great because it gives the appearance of God.
    In the dream I had, the man looked like Jesus, but he was not Jesus. He said many false Christs would come, that means many saying they are preaching truth and are not.
    Many are offended at those who want to expose the falsehood, because they don’t want the Light to shine into the darkness and expose it. 1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
    1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
    1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
    God bless from Joyce

    Comment by Joyce | August 23, 2008

  53. there needs to be something posted on the violence of todd bentley. Out of his own mouth on utube he spoke of beating his own mother, denying that he broke her arm when his family accused him of it. Could you please post a list of those false leaders who have endorsed todd bentley and also the false teachers? I want to make sure I don’t read anything nor endorse anything they do. I am so glad I had said from the beginning bentley should not have ever been allowed to preach. I did not know of his beatings of his mother. Even if he had gotten saved, he should have never been allowed to preach ever, for any reason. There are no words to discribe the disgust, abhorrance of this. He beat his own mother. There also have been no personal response by bentley himself for his current conduct in Lakeland. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ended up in jail. His violence is unacceptable. from joyce

    Comment by Joyce | August 25, 2008

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  55. Wow, I would like to leave a comment that I personally went to Lakeland and quite enjoyed it. I found it both refreshing and encouraging. I find that all of you have a lot to say and very little compassion and mercy to pour out. As someone who went to Lakeland, enjoys John Arnotts, Bill Johnsons, Rick Joyners, and Todd’s ministry I feel that I would have a better reason to be hurt and threatened than any of you. As many of you never accepted his ministry I find it entertaining that you spend so much time discrediting him and those around him. I esteem honesty, integrity, and holiness as something to strive for. I do not understand why END TIMES rails so much on Todd. I look forward to any and all responses and will challenge any response on points of condemnation. I believe that we (as the church) are exhorted to restore one who has fallen-understanding that many of you think Todd was a devil-and if so how did Jesus treat such. I have found in endtimes writings only loud challenges, many without a scriptual basis for why he/she feels that way laced with harsh bitter spewing of cruel malice. What does the body of Christ have to gain with your proud sayings??? Please entertain me for a while and express with me, on a mature intellectual and spiritual platform, your thoughts and feelings. Am I a mindless spiritual sheep that has been mislead and blinded. If so show me.
    Psalmist.

    Comment by Brandi | August 26, 2008

  56. Dear Brandi:

    The Lord teaches us to beware false prophets.

    If you go back on this site, the real uproar over Todd Bentley has to do with the underlying doctrines of William Branham’s heresies — the “Latter Rain” and “Manifest Sons of God” doctrines.

    Add some of Peter Wagner’s false praying over buildings, waterways and streets so as to pull down principalities BEFORE evangelizing (which goes against the Word to “preach the Word in season and out of season” and does not mention principalities in any evangelistic scripture citation …

    and then add that the whole resurrection of Branham’s heresies happened when Bob Jones and Mike Bickle and Paul Cain started the “Kansas City Revival” in 1980 —

    JONES SAID IT WAS STARTED BY HIS “ANGEL” EMMA. And then when Bob Jones, a proven false prophet and sexual Baal worshipper (yes he prophesied over the women he was molesting, naked) told Bentley that he was “giving” him his “Angel” Emma — and so when Bentley ran on and on about “Emma” and that Jesus told him to “get people to believe in the ‘angel’” — we were aflame in the rank APOSTASY of Lakeland.

    So, then the Lord answers our prayers and unveils the hidden sin that Bentley apparently was in the whole time at Lakeland.

    All this to say — Bentley was sucked in and deceived by false doctrine and false prophets. The beef is with the false teaching. I wrote an open letter to my church, backed with facts about Jones Cain Joyner Hamon et all back in early June.

    I asked for prayer for Todd Bentley because he was being “targeted” by the demonic forces behind Jones and Cain, probably because of Todd’s own sexual perversion in raping a seven year old boy that he never gave proper testimony of his overcoming about.

    So with Todd’s sin being revealed, it just proves that God is NOT happy with the false prophets and false teachings and false, and corrupted Impartations at Lakeland because God says “Ye shall know them by their fruit.”

    As for our tone, I can only speak for myself. I have never been in more intercession for God to SPARE FAITH than I have in these horrendous months of Lakeland because my church, like you and yours, is completely under its spell — Johnson, Sheets, Joyner Che Ahn Cindy Jacobs Wagner Jim Goll et all.

    This is apostasy, the Great “falling away” that God tells us will come in the End Times, Brandi. Google “Specter of the Red” about Lakeland, too, and you will see what this really is.

    Also, read about Rick Joyner’s pagan and AntiChrist antics off this site.

    This powers that be behind Lakeland are not Christian, they are doctrines of demons.

    Comment by AriseMyLove | August 26, 2008

  57. Brandi, LIES, PROVEN LIES! In the Bible satan is the father of LIES, they all have been PROVEN LIARS, so now who do you think their father is!?!

    Comment by OhhowILOVEJESUS | August 26, 2008

  58. The only thing Endtimes does here is unmask these liars so people like you don’t fall into satans web of lies. I for one am so glad the Lord led me here…I was watching Fakeland and felt a REAL tug in my spirit when I heard the vomit coming out of their mouths! I got in deep prayer as the Holy Spirit led and ended up right here and learned so much! This place was conformation from God that what Holy Spirit was showing me was right on! And if you would get into the Word, and study it you would see Endtimes is doing scriptually exactly what the Lord requires her to do! She don’t charge a penny for her teachings (like Bentley and the others) she puts in endless hours researching what she writes about, and if you look back on many posts you will see scriptures that totally back it up! Being led by Holy Spirit will bring you to all truth!

    Comment by OhhowILOVEJESUS | August 26, 2008

  59. I am glad you responded and appreciated you response. As for William Branham and his apostacy, it is no secret he had some crazy doctrines. I know personally that many of the Group (Rick J., Mike B., Che, John A., etc.) acknowledge his wayward teachings. As for Emma, I heard this too, and questioned it as I do everything. I heard it explained that emma means whole and that this was the angels title that came with the purpose of bringing wholeness to the body of Christ. That can be argued from many points but Angels heralded many things in scripture and find that, according to Todd that if this was a healing angel releasing wholeness (be thou made whole) then I felt that it did not counter the gospel but supported it. He did not ask us to worship this angel but simply stated its presence. Explain the pool of bethesda (theologically) if you can? Did Jesus acknowledge or challenge it? Why and through whom did it come? I guess I should ask some doctrinal questions like… Do you believe in healing, miracles, signs and wonders, and other such gifts are in operation in the body of Christ today. Knowing that would help us understand each other more. I do. I have not personally experienced a miracle before. I prayed hard for healing as I am 32 and had to have OHS last year. This did not change my belief though.

    Comment by Brandi | August 26, 2008

  60. I believe in the gifts and have been miraculously healed myself. But just as there are true, there are false ones.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 26, 2008

  61. Brandi, I believe in healing, so much so I am praying right now for God to touch you and you be healed!

    Comment by OhhowILOVEJESUS | August 26, 2008

  62. Miriam, may i ask what you were healed of?

    Comment by redeemedhippie | August 26, 2008

  63. Extreme pain a few days after a car crash that was even worse than when I was in hospital and had been given some morphine for the pain, so it was worse even than that, and no painkillers would touch. After prayer, I instantly felt electricity going through my body and instantly the pain was relieved and started dissapating immediately – enough for me to get up from laying down about ten minutes later and have some tea and toast, and there was only very slight aches left that I could feel only a little, but by next morning I was completely pain free.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 26, 2008

  64. Oh How I love Jesus. Those are strong words and I would be glad to discuss the proven “LIES, PROVEN LIES!” you state you know of. As for End Times ( I will use ETP from here out)thanks for sharing your position on healing. What do you suppose are false ones that you are making me (as a reader) aware of. As for the teachings of those who associate with another, would you consider every teacher, minister, and friend (in Christ) and exact copy of your beliefs or are there differing opinions. I feel that you unfairly associated anyone who ministered in Florida or supports Todd with his complete teachings. For example, Heather Clark issued a statement that she considered Todd a friend but did not agree with all of his teachings and interpretations of his prophetic experiences. I found it interesting and well put. Here she ministered along side of him but with grace offered that she did not completely agree with him. Again I would ask what false things in Todd Bentley and Lakeland did you feel were so wicked and decietful?(sp?)

    Comment by Brandi | August 26, 2008

  65. Maybe Todd Bentley shared a drink with Paul Cain.

    And doesn’t the “Mummy’s having a little drink” sound a lot more ominous now?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 20, 2008.

    I found this comment neither encouraging or uplifting but rather mocking. Paul Cain fell (you would have to believe he was a christian to agree) horribly. If you feel he was an unsaved sinner then he did what he was so why the fuss. Yet there is no effort to preach the gospel but only to point out the flaws. Show me Jesus in that statement and I will digress.

    Comment by Brandi | August 26, 2008

  66. Brandi – there as nothing mocking at all in my comment. I meant it as it was stated on its face value.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 26, 2008

  67. Do you have any reason to believe that he would have a drink with paul cain? What kind of drink do you suppose that would be? And Why would that be of relevance. Do you consider it a sin for a christian to consume alcohol? Oh, I don’t want this dicussion to interrupt the original. I would like a response to the other also if you would please oblige me?

    Comment by Brandi | August 26, 2008

  68. Brandi: we are commanded not to “tolerate” false prophets or false doctrine as per Revelation 2:20, with serious repercussions. Being “friends” with someone who is not preaching Christianity and sharing the stage with them is an accursed thing according to the Lord.

    It’s not funny. It is not sweet. It is not love to do this. Love in Christ is nothing without His Truth. You need to show yourself approved, especially about Paul Cain. This man is a Baal worshipper, as per “what Jezebel teaches”. He was not just caught in homosexual sin, nor has he just “missed it” with decades of deluded false prophetic words. The man was praying over the men he was molesting, while he was molesting them, that they were cured of “homophobia”. This is rank perversion.

    And yet, the men who also backed Todd at Lakeland in the 90’s, called Paul Cain and Bob Jones the “two end time witnesses” of the Bible?

    The whole tree, the whole foundation under Lakeland is corrupt. And I don’t mean by the symptoms of perversion or adultery either. I mean by false teaching, false doctrines of demons and especially, FALSE PROPHESY that has brainwashed the sheep into believing William Branham’s heresies.

    THIS IS WHAT LAKELAND WAS REALLY ABOUT, BRANDI. APOSTASY. THE END TIME DELUSION.

    Show yourself approved and google it all. You’ll see. You will be freaked out and then you will understand the LOVE on this site for showing people the TRUTH.

    Comment by AriseMyLove | August 26, 2008

  69. I will be back sometime later. It is my bedtime

    Psalmist.

    Comment by Brandi | August 26, 2008

  70. brandi..alot of the words here are difficult to swallow and some over the top..BUT the Word of God warns us all of the false teachers,false apostles,false wonders that have and still come into the church….when churches like ignite in lakeland either refuse to test ALL spirits or have already fell into false teaching and practice it..then who should speak up?nobody?is’nt that the problem…in 1 John it says to “test all spirits because not all spirits are of God” this is a command of God..should we ignore it?where is your discernment?do you study the bible? or do you get most of your biblical information from so-called christian books or so-called christian speakers?i’m not being mean..we are in no doubt the last days and there is no time for anything but the pure unchanged word of God…these are perilious times and we better be ready because the word says many will come in Jesus name but inside they are raveniness wolves..this false stuff is truly among us because we have allowed it to come in unchecked untested..God has warned us but we have not believed Him..i believe God now..do you?

    Comment by John C | August 26, 2008

  71. I agree it is apostasy, end time delusion, and dangerous. They are self appointed not God appointed. They have watched others fleece the flock, Oral Roberts said that God would strike him dead unless he received so many millions of dollars. This is a lie. And he never apologised for saying this to the public. The same in Lakeland, bentley spoke on angels, never repentance. I posted that bentley had beat his mom, man that alone should shake people up. He Beat his Mother, put her in the hospital, this man needs help, and these greedy whoremongers found a person they could deceive and manipulate through bentley.

    2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
    Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
    Col 2:4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
    Mat 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
    Lakeland has focused on signs and wonders, but according to Jesus that the wicked seek after a sign, but the only sign given will be the sign of Jonas or Jonah, Jonah went and preached repentance. We should be looking after those who are not only preaching Jesus Christ and the cross for our sins, but they should be preaching repentance. And those that are preaching should be living the example of a Godly life. This has not happened in lakeland. Drunken binges are not what preachers should be doing, nor should they be involved in sexual immoralality, yet Bentley flew paul cain down there who is an alocholic and self admitted homosexual. He said the time has come where people should worship God in spirit and in truth. Truth must be spoken and must be preserved. Paul said to avoid those who speak that gain is Godly. material gain, these word of faith teachers are teaching false. Many have been lured into these false teachings.
    I thank God for those who are speaking truth and are bringing out these web sites to warn people to flee from these false teachers.
    David Wilkerson is one who I believe is speaking truth. From what I understand he has never wavered from it. God bless those who stand and lead others to the precious truth of our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ. God bless from Joyce

    Comment by Joyce | August 26, 2008

  72. I want to add that I am not judging nor condemning anyone, I pray for them to see the error of their ways, repent, turn from this false teaching and apologise to the people for the false teaching. I have prayed for this to happen, with many tears. The most awesome thing about the Lord is his Love and mercy. He has extended mercy and forgiveness to all that call upon him, David said create in me Lord a clean heart and renew a right spirit within me. Lord I pray you will deal with these who have taught falsehoods. I pray that they will repent and turn from their false teachings and start to live according to your ways Lord. In Jesus name amen from Joyce

    Comment by Joyce | August 26, 2008

  73. 1COR 14:29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.

    The bible which the false ones don’t reach teaches that two or three prophets speak and let the others judge! The others means everybody and prophets means anybody including Todd Bentley, Stephen Strader, Stephen Strang, John Arnott and Bill Johnson who are all off the wall and liars and deceivers!

    The Word of God tells us to know those that labor among us. We are to know their character and lifestyles. Todd Bentley preached many false doctrines and did many bizarre things in Lakeland. Many were blinded to his insane ministry. WE NOW KNOW FOR 100% CERTAIN that Todd was living with another woman, drunk most nights, and any sincere Bible knowledge should have deeply concerned people about his heretical doctrines. However, when he confessed his affair with another woman and applied for divorce, he was rejected by all those who endorsed him and he became exposed as a liar. Church leadership rejected his ministry and called him to repentance. Some his peers say that they are ministering to him now and claim that he has repented but we have not heard a word from his lips. Mostly the entire churches AROUND THE world have rejected Bentley because of his sinful lifestyle of womanizing and drinking and rightly so. Pat Holliday
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/5200686/TODD-BENTLEY-MATTHEW-STEPHENS-Stephen-Bening-False-PROPHETS-ASK-GOD-TO-KILL-PAT-HOLLIDAY-

    Comment by Pam | August 30, 2008

  74. I watched Todd and the first time i saw him it took me about2 seconds to see he was not of God. He never used a Bible,Told so many lies,he didnt even remember the ones he told he told so many.i studied on the kundalini and that is what todd and all the kansas city prophets are into.Patricia King is a big Joke(werewolf) she studies comic books not the bible.And Bob Jones (if anyone cant see he is evil they are totally blind)and as for paul cain he is a joke. People can say it is amazing how God uses people like that well he dont if someone sins God does forgive and will use but not if the sin is repeated over and over.I think people better get back to the basics and quit following all the signs and wonders of to day.Get back to Jesus Christ and him crucified,death buryed and rose alive.and is alive and we must be born again.Worship does not save us.I cant not understand how so many people can be deceived with these so called men like todd benny hinn and many more.I love the pentecostal way but i go to baptist went to pentecostal many years.But pentecostal is looking bad with men like todd.and i have read on here thet we shouldnt tell people about men like tood and benny being false.Tell Jon the baptist that( he told some old generation of viper who have warned you to flee from the wrath to come bring forth fruits meet for repentence but it is sad men like todd have none of these fruits. i dont say i am perfect and i know God does heal today i have been healed i was paralyzed for a year at one time i now walk because of many prayers of true christians that touched God. We are living in a time where people will grab anything because they dont pray or read Gods word. People are unlearned on Gods word and like what is easy and what sounds good in their ears.There is one way to heaven that is Christ and that will never change.He is the way , the truth the life.No other way to heaven no matter who trys to change it. I am Glad i am saved. I will welcome comment i have studied many things on todd and know he is scary the little girl on his video had more decernment that anyone that went to the revival.What is wrong with people.And any one to follow the false doctrine of william branham could never read the bible.People read your bibles dont send these false preachers money that are out there and on tv to live like kings give the money to your on pastor and church.Then you can see what you money is doing.But i am Gld that these false preachers are being exposed. It is time we wake up.Jesus said that only sign that would be given was his raising from the dead.He is alive and is on the right hand of the father.Many so called preachers will face God one day and will be cast into the lake of fire.He will say i never knew you.And there will be many people in hell that follows these false deceivers and never sees the light.my email address is charliebill52@yahoo.com

    Comment by charles keith | September 2, 2008

  75. Hi,
    Have you heard of Justin Peters? His set of DVD’s are called ‘A call for Discernment’. They clearly show these false teachers in their true colors!
    Many thanks for your ministry
    God bless you lots
    Maggie

    Comment by Maggie | September 18, 2008

  76. I believe in restoration. I believe that if we say we love God then we should love our neighbor.

    Comment by Althea | September 23, 2008

  77. Althea –

    I believe in restoration too! But before restoration must come repentence and where is that? Todd has not even gone through the motions and said ’sorry’.

    I also believe in ‘love’ – but love does not mean tolerating anything – would you allow an unrepentent satanist to minister to your church as you believe in ‘love’ and restoration? Love and restoration has boundaries – obviously – and for good reason.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | September 23, 2008

  78. Todd Bentley has disappeared from public ministry. To a few, it is a welcomed correction in the American Christian movement. However, many so-called leaders continue to fail to admit the great deception that was allowed to rage in the church had any lasting influence affect upon those poor seduced souls that were subjected to this spiritual clown.
    8.08.08 Todd’s last public appearance.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB9BznV69yo&feature=related
    “God said, “Today, I will break every yoke.” Was this a self prophecy?
    Unless delivered, false doctrines, a different gospel and doctrines of demons place permanent spiritual marks on those who participate in them. Deceiving spirits are used by the god of this world to steal souls. The masses that were drawn to this false prophet were simply left in the darkness of their souls with false explanations that Bentley reverted into an emotional experience with another woman and is divorcing his wife. The followers were told by the very same false prophets that arrived in Lakeland and gave him those heady prophecies of his supposedly anointed future, (which never happened) are “restoring him.” Who is restoring them?
    Although Bentley’s ministry was thoroughly examined for biblical legitimacy and found to be a gospel filled with demonic influences, most church leaders still tell their congregations that it was just a matter of weakness of his flesh and he fell into sin. People are bound with powerful cult demons that have spiritually blinded them and no one has tried to help them to find freedom from the demons that have captured their souls.
    Many, including this writer have related the horror of demonic powers that possessed the victims of crazy revival of Bentley. Seduced people that have been bound by powerful kundalini demons must be set free by driving those demons out through deliverance in the name of Jesus. Once a devil has been invited in, they must be driven out; otherwise, the victim will stay chained by the powers of darkness. How many will land in hell because of this insane deception of this spiritual clown? We will know at the Judgment Seat of Jesus.
    Meantime, while the church continues to center upon such things as: Did Todd commit adultery? Is he still living with the jezebel woman that took him away from his family? Is he still drinking? Where is he hiding now? Who is restoring him? Has he repented? Bentley has become a soap opera to entertain the dumbed down minds of the church.
    Hardly anyone is concerned about the deadly affect of those captured, blinded, wounded victims who are now being tormented by devils. Many have simply fallen away and no longer attend church while others have gone into deeper deceptions such as being entertained by vulture ministers who are really merchandisers of their souls.
    Meanwhile, the most unpopular ministries in America continues to be, freedom giving, devil driving, and deliverance ministers. Sleep on Church, Jesus is coming soon.
    http://www.patholliday.com/radio.php mp3, radio
    http://www.patholliday.com/newsletters.php
    http://www.patholliday.com/video.php

    Comment by Pat Holliday | December 13, 2008

  79. You wanna talk about heresy hunters, and critics. This is some of the worst I have seen. I think that repentance is in order for you just as much as anyone you mentioned in this article. Have faith that God can do more than you can conceive with you little minds. Please just allow him to work in you life. John and Todd have done that, and sure they arent perfect, but God had grace and poured out on them. have you ever been around them or had them minister to you or given you council? have you talked to each other? have you been in a situation to truely see their hearts in all of this? —I didnt think so! So STOP criticizing the men of God.

    Comment by millz | December 25, 2008

  80. oh and by the way…. in response to the person before this, yes there are step being taken to restore Todd. Sure, and i do think it is wrong, Todd has not come into full repentence YET. He has agree starting in January to begin a process of healing and restoration but going to Rick Joyner’s Morning Star Ministry for multiple months. There he will begin the healing process and hopefully he will fully let God work on his heart, mind, and spirit. There is some deliverance necessary, and he has a rough path ahead of him. I do believe though that Todd is a man that loves the presence of God and wants to run after what is truth.
    Please have mercy on him and pray the fathers heart for his life, his family and his ministry.

    Blessings

    Comment by millz | December 25, 2008

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    Comment by Talia White | January 20, 2009

  82. Would Jesus have written an article like this? Is criticism a fruit of the Holy Spirit? I pray that God will teach you how to love! For He alone is worthy!

    I love you.

    Comment by Colin Jamieson | April 23, 2009

  83. here’s some truth from behind the scenes in Abbotsford. Jessa first of all was an intern in the fall 08 cycle. She never applied for it Todd invited her into the internship. Even after a board member severly opposed it. Later Todd invited her and another intern to live in his house during the internship, and after the internship as a live in nanny.

    At the same time the Bellingham, Washington church was being established so fresh fire could get a legal foot hold in America. This is evident by the lack and the sheer refusal to work with the local churches. It was just for the papers not the church.

    In January 2009 2 members of the board confronted Todd about Jessa, and that it was wrong and they couldn’t stand by him about it. They where “relieved” of their position for doing so. This shouldn’t be surprising as another member of FFM was faceed with the same threat, after he caught Todd with another woman in England (this is what the dark night of the soul was actually about), the FFM member was forced to either work for FFM outside of North America or be fired. Jessa is woman number 4 that Todd has cheated on Shonnah with.

    Todd isn’t 100% to blame just 80% the rest of the blame falls on those board members and pastors that refused to confront Todd on his infidelities. One in particular had the mind set that if Todd does it, it’s okay even if it isn’t for others. Others refused to confront because they didn’t want to loose their jobs (like many have over the years)

    Even in Lakeland which I personally think was a two edged work of God, it was a blessing to the locals who have prayed for God to move. And the other edge was a judgement on Todd, in total over the top Todd style. During the highet of revival there was excessive drinking, slasher flicks, and other things I wont get into now with Todd and his inner circle (yes men). There was infighting with the leaders on stage, and the interns where just slaves with ministry badges. Or the fact that all the money collected for the orphans and for sudan never made it to them, it was instead used to pay for the buildings/land for the revival.

    Even after Lakeland fell apart, and the news finally became public, Todd never returned home to Abbotsford. He remained in America (illegally) in California, then a breif stop in Reno for their quickey divorce rules. Then it was off to Rick Joyner and his marriage with Jessa

    These words are not made up, this is a summary of many conversations I have had with former FFM employees, board members and former interns. I just can’t stand by and see Todd get away with this for a fourth time. A man who has turned his back on his wife and children once again. yet will be received by the masses as THE man of God.

    Comment by Daniel | May 18, 2009

  84. Daniel

    Thanks for your post. Could I just ask you to check the dates.

    Jessa was seen at Lakeland in mid-2008, so I would have thought that she started at FFM in the fall of 2007. Likewise, did the two FFM board members confront Todd about it in Jan 2008, not Jan 2009 as you say. I’m not sure that they could have done this in Jan 2009 as he had parted company from FFM before then.

    Are you able to say anything about what’s happened before? I believe that one of Todd’s extra-marital relationships happened when he was in England in Oct 2005, which prompted his sabbatical from late 2005 to mid 2006. Todd came back, but then in Oct 2006, there was another announcement about him taking a break, the reasons for which are unclear. From what you say, I presume that was another extra-marital relationship. And what about the fourth? When did that happen?

    I’m only asking all this because I’ve been trying to research Todd’s history and it seems that there has been deliberate attempts to mislead people on more than one occasion. Deception and smokescreens seem to be the order of the day, and it can be hard to unravel the facts.

    Comment by anon | May 18, 2009

  85. I hate when people want to cover up sin by criticizing those who call it as it is!
    Steve Long played the same line on me!That I was saying:”I told You so”,concerning Todd Bentley!
    Not true,since I had never adressed that matter before!
    These people talk like if they are the only ones who have compassion!That is called hipocrisy!
    Yesterday I asked the Lord permission to use a strong expression in my prayer to Him because I respect His Holiness!
    However after asking Him for permission,I asked the Lord to raise up some Pastors in these churches where these people come to the pulpit and it’s all about them and what Jesus gives them, to stop this insanity!
    John Arnott should’ve done it long time ago everytime his wife would declare from the pulpit that she was Jesus’s chosen one and that the love she felt was better than sex!
    I even feel sorry for the Lord because He is Holy and people don’t distinguish the difference between the spiritual realm and the natural.
    The same with their friend who boasts of her sacrificial life in the mission field and who tells over and over how she saw Jesus’s eyes full of love and passion for her!
    That’s why I spoke to the Lord with fear and trembling,
    asking Him to raise up some Pastors with
    “testicles” who would have the courage to do something about this type of behaviour that causes so much damage to those who have a genuine love for Jesus!
    I know,because I was a victim!
    It amazes me how they bash the ones who have suffered in their hands but they cover up the sin of those who are their equal!
    I remember the day I approached John Arnott to share something the Lord had done for me and he gave me this look:”How do You dare approach me?”
    Once there was a young lady weeping in a conference and she was behind me.
    John Arnott stopped and asked her if she would like to attend their school of ministry.Then he offered up to help her financially and he told her to call the office and let them know she was being sent by him.
    He took down her name and everything!
    First,I thought to myself:”It must be the Holy Spirit touching him to do this!”
    Then after he left I started a conversation with her and she told me that she had a baby and that her husband doesn’t attend church.
    I realized right away that the Holy Spirit wouldn’t take a mother away from her young child for such a long time!Also,without the consent of her husband!
    Later I heard about another couple who met him in some beach in the States (Rodriguez)and again he volunteered to help them financially.
    After that,thinking that they had been invited because he had seen something especial on them,they wanted to perform deliverance on a forner witch,when they themselves were young Christians.
    Even the woman they wanted to deliver was reluctant because she said that she had invited very strong demons into her life and she knew they couln’t handle the situation.
    She felt they wanted to practice on her more for themselves than for her so she cancelled the whole thing!
    God is no respector of persons but these people allow their wives and friends to be on the floor with their legs upside down (as they testify of it) for 45 minutes.However,I was worshipping the Lord on my knees and as soon as the music stopped,I felt a tap on my shoulder.One of their elders was asking me to go back to my seat!
    One day they will know that the dream that I gave them and that they rejected,was from God!
    Lately,this words keep coming to me:Let God arise and His enemies be scattered!

    Comment by My Beloved is Mine and He is Yours too | May 19, 2009

  86. One day they will know that the dream that I gave them and that they rejected,was from God!

    Could you tell us about the dream?

    Comment by Barry | May 19, 2009

  87. Barry
    About the dream!
    I was at TACF at the back of the church!
    Jesus was on the pulpit hoding a micro in His hand!
    There were people on the pulpit around Jesus and there were also people in front of the altar.
    A woman screamed: I love Heidi Baker!
    Another person shouted:I love that portuguese guy called Gilberto!
    Jesus was listening!
    From the back of the church I said:What about loving the One who died for You on the cross?
    Then the face of a man who was in their prophetic team came to me like if he was floating and he said:The swimming pool has been removed!
    I had no idea of what it meant!-First I was wondering if they had removed the swimming pool they have under the altar where they baptize people.
    Later that day,the Lord told me that He knew I would like to have the interpretation to the dream.That’s when the Lord said that they have to stop baptizing people with praise and that He won’t tolerate it!
    Then the Lord told me to give the dream to Steve long which I did!
    Later I had a “debate” with him about Todd Bentley and I reminded him about the dream!
    I told him:First I was invited by one of Your pastor’s wife,who was the leader of their prophetic team,to go with her husband and others on a mission’s trip to Brazil because they said that I was such a woman of God!However,now that I gave You a dream from the Lord,You rejected it!
    He enquired if I was telling the truth and first he was denying I had gone on that trip but then I contacted Trish Bootsma and she confirmed it to him!
    The Lord told me that he spent more time trying to find out about my character than praying about the dream!
    I just want to explain something:the guy called Gilberto,actually he is from Brazil but because the language spoken there is Portuguese,many people get confused and in the dream it was the way I heard it.
    I think the Lord used his name because he is his close friend!He has had an evangelical ministry for the last few years.
    After I gave him the dream,I was there shortly after and when he announced that heidi baker would be speaking there the next day,the people went wild.So I was expecting for him to remind them that we are not to “baptize people with preaise” (I had never heard that term before) but he didn’t!
    I had mentioned at the end of my email that it as as much a sin to put people on a pedestal,as it is for those who have been put there,not to do anything to come down!
    I guess that must have offended them as well because we can’t “rebuke” a leader!
    Not to mention that heidi is the “golden calf” whom they worship!-There is a lot og idolizing towards her!
    May the Name of Jesus alone be glorified!
    Amen!

    Comment by My Beloved is Mine and He is Yours too | May 19, 2009

  88. Steve Long doesn’t seem to be a nice guy at all!

    Was he hand picked by John Arnott because he helped pay off John’s mortgage and buy him a new car?

    Comment by Barry | May 19, 2009

  89. Later I had a “debate” with him about Todd Bentley and I reminded him about the dream!

    Could you tell us more about the debate?

    Comment by Barry | May 19, 2009


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