Australian Assemblies of God re Michael Guglielmucci Fraud

Statement from the Australian AOG website here re Michael Guglielmucci’s Faked Illness-

“Representatives of the National Executive recently met with Michael Guglielmucci.  At this meeting he read a statement indicating that his claim to have cancer was untrue.  His credential with the ACC was immediately suspended.  

The National Executive is taking this matter very seriously and is awaiting the results of medical tests before determining the full extent of the discipline that will be imposed upon him.

We are very concerned for the many people who have been or will be hurt by Michael’s actions and we encourage all of our churches to pray for all those affected.

Yours sincerely,

Alun Davies
National Vice President

20 August 2008″  

A Worship Leader Speaks Out re: Todd Bentley & Then Quits

Thanks to the person that posted this, and may God bless you richly for your stand.

“I have been the worship leader at a certain church for the past three years. The elders of our church pushed Lakeland hard on the flock. I knew it was wrong but stood by and let it happen. Last week I wrote a five page letter to the elders about a few problems I see, but dealing largely with the Lakeland mess. I called for public repentance from the elders AND myself for leading the flock astray. Sunday night i was called into an elders meeting, where I sat for three hours and listened to every explanation in the world of why they weren’t in the wrong. It started becoming apparent to me that if these guys defended the sheep with the same zeal that they defend Todd Bentley, the church would be in great shape. By the end of the meeting, I knew that I could no longer justify having my family under their leadership, and stepped down from my position.

So, I’m another casualty of the Lakeland disaster. The fallout of this thing is gonna be huge. My heart breaks for the families and churches this deception has torn apart. A big THANK YOU to this site for looking out for the sheep, even when the shepherds are not.”

The Sheep and Goats and the Interbreed…

Speaking “Shoat” from here by Darin Hufford

“When I analyze the current state of people’s understanding, I am convinced that the message has been watered down to a point where people have become immune to and dependant upon the contaminates that dilute the truth. I think that Christianity has thousands and thousands of practicing members who practice it but don’t get it. They said a “sinner’s prayer” and believed they were a member, however, their hearts are as dead as they can be. As someone who speaks to Christians, I find that I spend most of my time explaining the A,B,Cs of the faith to people who, if they knew the truth, wouldn’t be interested in the first place.

The deterioration occurs when a Pastor stands in front of an audience and preaches from his heart, only to receive 20 angry letters and six phone calls from people who don’t even know God. The budget can’t survive 20 people not giving, so he holds his tongue and dilutes the message with 20% water. Next Sunday he gets ten letters of rebuke, and four phone calls, so he adds another 20% water since the building payment is due at the end of the month and they can’t take the chance that the offering might be short. He mounts the stage the following week with 60% truth and 40% water. Still five angry phone calls and two letters come in, so it’s back to the drawing board. Finally, he finds the perfect formula: 10% truth and 90% water that comes in the form of hype, jargon, and heady-religiosity. When that magical formula comes together, it’s a wonderful day at last. Now the sheep and the goats can live together under the same roof in perfect harmony.

I finally understand why Jesus didn’t allow His time to be monopolized by Pharisees. He simply dismissed them and walked away. He wasn’t willing to water down the message so they could get it and He wasn’t about to try to explain it to them because doing so is impossible. He actually protected the message from the Pharisees in the same way that I might protect my children from an unsafe person. The problem with today’s institutional system of American Christianity is that we have taken a heart-message and we’ve turned it into a head-religion. Because we need the money to make the Church payroll, we have found a way to include both those who get it and those who don’t. We have successfully moved the sheep and the goats into the same house. The real catastrophe is that they’ve started breeding with one another and now we have a generation of “Shoats,” people who half get it and half don’t. The result of this is that the message becomes compromised and contaminated. I now understand fully why Jesus was so protective of in the first place.

Jesus identified the goats right away by their response to His teachings. In fact, His teachings were delivered in such a way that they would specifically root out the goats from the sheep. If you close your eyes and listen to the sound of sheep and goats, it’s almost impossible to tell them apart. We actually used a baby goat in our Church Easter Pageant one year because we couldn’t find a baby lamb, and you know what? Not a single person knew the difference. Jesus, however, found a way to catch the goats and winnow them. He placed “goat traps” all around the message. It had no effect on the sheep but would stop the goats dead in their tracks. When Jesus was finished with His sermon, He would walk through the field and collect all the goats that were caught in the goat traps and dismiss them. The goat traps were nothing more than illustrations that the goats couldn’t swallow. While everyone else chewed them up, swallowed them and went on to see and experience the glorious truth that He came to show them, the goats grabbed their throats, doubled over along side of the road, gagging and coughing on an illustration and ended up missing the entire heart of the message. When confronted by one of the sheep as to why He did this to the goats, Jesus said, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that, though seeing, they may not see; though hearing, they may not understand.” (Luke 8:10)

It was brilliant. He spoke in metaphors and parables because “head-thinkers” can’t get beyond them in order to behold the truth. Metaphors and parables become a vault that protects the truth from those who would certainly defile the message if they came anywhere close to it. The metaphor would be so outlandish that only the heart-people could see past it. While the head thinking goats were choking to death from trying to figure out how a man could crawl back up into his mother’s womb, how gross it would be to eat Jesus’ flesh and blood, the heart-thinking sheep were frolicking in the grass of salvation and relationship with God. Unfortunately, today’s version of Christianity has adopted both head and heart principles so that everyone can join, even with partial understanding. The results are devastating. No one frolics in the grass of salvation. Instead, they merely stand in line at the feeding trough with hollow looks in their eyes, waiting patiently for their pastor to dump the slop in front of them.

As a young boy, I had two favorite shows. One was “Tarzan,” and the other, “Lucan.” Tarzan was the story about a man who was raised by monkeys, and Lucan was a 1970s show about a boy raised by wolves. Each of these characters tried with all their might to adapt to civilization and found that they could not. The moment a stressful situation came along, they would immediately revert to their upbringing and begin behaving like the animals that raised them. Lucan would start growling and attack people and Tarzan would start jumping around like a monkey and climb a tree for safety. As a kid, I thought this was the coolest thing in the world. In reality, if this were to happen to anyone, it would be monumentally heartbreaking. These two men were struggling with an overwhelming identity crisis. Lucan was a man who actually thought he was a wolf and Tarzan believed himself to be a monkey. That’s not cool, that’s sad.

Because of our watered-down version of truth, Christianity today is full of Sheep who were raised by Goats; heart-people who were trained by head-thinkers. The moment a crisis comes along, they immediately revert back to their goat-roots and begin to behave like head thinkers. Rather than daily live from their heart, the moment something stressful occurs, they must run to their Bibles and find a “promise-verse” to keep them calm. Rather than know God personally, they revert back to the “manual” and desperately search for something to spell it out. Head things bring warmth and comfort to sheep that were raised by goats. It’s like throwing a banana to Tarzan or a bloody steak to Lucan.

Ministry today is all about re-training the “shoats” to think and behave like sheep. It’s about teaching them who they really are, as opposed to how they were raised. Tarzan was not a “monkey man.” He was a man. The monkey part was embedded in his mind, but it’s not true. Until he is ready to forsake monkey-mamma and monkey-daddy, he will never really know his true self. Sadly, few sheep are willing to give up their goat-parents.

Communicating with “Shoats” is an art form in this generation. They need a verse to tell them that murder is wrong. They have to read a Scripture passage that tells them to “love one another” before they’ll believe it’s a good idea. Things must be said within the prescribed method or they’ll become skittish and uneasy. It becomes necessary to recreate the jungle experience for them or they’ll never open their hearts. You almost have to learn to think like a goat and talk like a goat or you’ll have no success within the present system. It can be exhausting to attempt to walk people out of such a mindset.

“Shoats” are an interesting breed. Some are sheep who were raised by goats and others are goats who were raised by sheep. In my opinion, the latter are the most impossible to deal with. I have found that the best way to separate the sheep-shoats from the goat-shoats is to set them all free. The goats-shoats will either attack you out of anger for opening their cage, or they’ll run back into a life of sin. The sheep-shoats, however, will thank you and immediately recognize their need for freedom. They’ll run nowhere. They will simply graze close to the shepherd because that’s where they choose to be.

Another way to separate them is to speak the language of love. Only sheep recognize this language. It’s totally foreign to goats. Sheep-shoats recognize it in their hearts even though they’ve never spoken it before and goat-shoats get angry when they hear it because their head cannot understand a word of it. The truth is encapsulated “in love” so that those who do not love cannot retrieve it.

If you are worried that you might be a goat-shoat, you probably aren’t. The very fact that you even care is proof that you have sheep blood running through your veins. If you’re angry because you think I’m accusing you of being a goat-shoat, and you need to see a Scripture with the word “shoat” in it for you to grant validity to this post, you’re probably a goat-shoat.

I believe that the Free Believers movement taking place all over the world is a great way of separating sheep from goats. ONLY sheep can survive outside the pen. The goats cannot follow us to where we are because they’ll run out of breath or starve to death. Surviving in the wild takes all heart in order to make it. It’s either sink or swim out here. Learning to live in the wild is one thing, but reclaiming your identity as a heart-thinker sometimes takes years.

It’s the path that all free believers are on. I, for one, love it.

I have spent most of my life learning to speak “shoat,” and trying my best to move and function in a shoat system. Countless hours have been wasted trying to speak a language that is contrary to my heart. I am learning more and more that the real message is about speaking the language of sheep and not the dialect of goats or even shoats. It’s all the same today as it was when Christ came and said, “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.” (John 10:27)

 The purpose of the Free Believers Network is to hopefully recover and resurrect the authentic sheep language. We are constantly sorting out what comes from the heart of love from what was added later by a Shoat Institution. We’re not perfect but we’re committed to leaving the jungle and adapting to kingdom principals. We have resolved in our hearts to live as sheep, to eat the food of sheep and speak the language of sheep and listen only to the voice of the sheppard.”

Healing a Sick Church

I found the following by AngelicJB from the website here. It is a good article and I paticularly thought her refutal of Bill Johnson’s ‘excuses’ re. Todd Bentley were good.

“These are strange times we’re living in, my friends. Those of you who’ve been tracking news of the Lakeland Outpouring have probably already heard about Todd Bentley’s fall from grace. The notice of Bentley’s separation from his wife wasn’t exactly shocking to me, but it was very sad. Now, though, we have a bunch of self-proclaimed apostles and prophets running around decrying Bentley and throwing him under the glory bus, and I find that very sad as well. For years Bentley has been spouting off about angelic visitation, astral projection, chatting with dead people in heaven and receiving direct revelation from Jesus in human form. And the breakup of his marriage is what gets these charismatic leaders riled up?   Color me bewildered.

Others in Bentley’s circle, like Patricia King and Bill Johnson, have taken to blaming Bentley’s critics for his marital problems. They claim we’re gleeful over Bentley’s embarrassment because we’re haters or whatever. While there may be some of that going on, to paint all the critics in such broad strokes is a gross mischaracterization. Speaking for myself, Bentley’s character was never the issue—his doctrine was. Even if no scandals had ever been attached to his name, many of the things he preached would still have been wrong, wrong, wrong. Let me be clear: There is no sense of triumph in the breakup of the Bentleys’ marriage. I feel terribly for Todd and his wife as well as for their children. I pray that God will bring reconciliation. But I really hope this admission of Bentley’s affair will not sidetrack the church from the real issue. Bentley shouldn’t have been endorsed as a preacher, not because his marriage was bad, but because his theology was unbiblical. As it is, I’m worried that all we’ll take away from this is to make sure that the next boy-wonder-preacher-of-the-moment who decides to mislead the sheep presents a cleaner image. If that’s all we’ve learned, then that’s the biggest tragedy of all.

Now I want to take a minute (okay, more than a minute) to focus on Bill Johnson’s statements concerning Todd Bentley and the church. Why pick on Bill? Because it’s in his footsteps that my church is following. Johnson’s influence has radically reshaped my pastors’ theology, and I don’t think for the better. I’ve been looking into Johnson’s beliefs for a while now, but the guy’s a pretty skilled equivocator. It’s been tough to pin him down on some of the crazier beliefs espoused by his apostolic colleagues. Even Johnson’s version of dominion theology seemed watered down enough so that it avoids the creepy world domination fixation of other dominion theologians. Guys like Jack Deere, Bob Jones and C. Peter Wagner, on the other hand, come off very much like the Brain from Animaniacs  (oh for the days of Wacko, Yakko and Dot!) only without all the subtlety. (Pinky: What are we going to do tonight, Brain? Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky. TRY TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!) But after listening to Johnson’s message on Bentley, I find myself disquieted. Maybe I’m overreacting. Here’s the video if you care to watch. Now let us reason together.

1. I don’t appreciate Johnson’s argument that Bentley’s critics somehow contributed to his “mental breakdown.” I know Johnson says that he will not blame Bentley’s critics, but clearly that’s exactly what he’s doing. Fine. All those who had the temerity to point out Bentley’s twisting of scripture and doctrine owe Bentley an apology for his messed up marriage. However, by Johnson’s own admission, this is not the first time Bentley’s been in this kind of trouble. So… I guess we all retroactively caused that indiscretion as well? Whoa, we are some kind of talented.

2. I don’t appreciate Johnson’s horrible exegesis. He postulates that we, as the church, shouldn’t call Bentley out for his misbehavior because…David mourned for Saul when Saul died. Huh. That’s a stretch. First of all, David had tremendous respect for Saul’s position as king. He was pretty fanatical about respecting Saul’s authority because he was God’s anointed. The only authority Todd Bentley ever had over the church was the authority he claimed for himself and the authority other self-proclaimed specially anointed ones claimed for him. Neither Bentley nor his apostle friends were my kings nor my spiritual leaders. Bentley was just another guy who preached crazy, heretical things. David’s honoring of the man who had been placed as king over him by God Himself is not quite analogous to the manner in which the church should reverence Todd Bentley. Secondly, even if David did not want word to get out that Saul died a miserable failure, the Bible takes no pains to hide it. The Israel David and Saul ruled was a nation set apart. Badmouthing their king to foreign peoples would have achieved no good for the Israelites, but the Scriptures are very upfront about Saul’s weaknesses so that God’s people could learn from them. Unlike ancient Israel, however, the church’s goal is not to merely remain separate from and survive the chaos of the outside world. The church is to take God’s message into the world. It’s important for us to be upfront about our own moral failings for the sake of those who don’t yet believe. Anyone who looks at the church should see us dealing with our sin honestly. When we mess up we should admit it and proclaim that our behavior is unacceptable before God. Bill Johnson seems to be advocating a sweep it all under the rug policy. So if a popular Christian spokesperson commits a grave sin, we should keep it to ourselves and refuse to discuss it with outsiders? That’s the way of the Chinese government, not the church. Oy vey.

Oh, I almost forgot. (I kinda wish I had.) Johnson also compares the church’s treatment of Bentley to David’s murdering of Uriah, Bathsheba’s husband. So ummm…that makes the kinda sense that doesn’t. Perhaps I need some apostolic enlightening.

I do agree with Johnson that certain things should remain private. There’s no reason anybody not directly involved in the situation needs to know all the details. The last thing we want is to get drawn into sensationalism. But why do we need to guilt people into silence? Johnson references the Christian leaders who went to the media in the wake of the Jimmy Swaggart and Jim Bakker scandals as an example of what we shouldn’t be doing, but you know what? Better, I think, that the world hears it from us than from some Nightline reporter. I’m not advocating throwing anyone to the wolves, but the church should definitely make it clear where we stand when our golden boys take a plunge into infamy. It compromises our witness when we give the impression that we’re hiding something. So while I give Johnson’s attempted guilt trip points for creativity, I remain unmoved by his appeal.

3. I don’t appreciate Johnson’s skirting of the pertinent issues. Johnson doesn’t once attempt to confront Todd Bentley’s botched theology. Am I to understand that Johnson doesn’t see anything the matter with Bentley’s rantings? Really? Neither did Johnson apologize for wrongly endorsing Bentley nor did he admit his lack of discernment. In fact, he made sure to let his audience know that C. Peter Wagner, the head apostle who commissioned Bentley, is an awesomely terrific fellow (an awesomely terrific fellow, by the way, who is running away from the Bentley mess as quickly as possible) in much the same way Johnson told Bentley’s critics to hush up because Bentley was a similarly great guy. Does Johnson completely lack self-awareness? If his discernment was so completely off the mark in Todd’s case, what else is he wrong about? Maybe I’m being harsh, but I think some self-reflection might be in order here.

4. I don’t appreciate and am absolutely creeped out by Johnson’s vision of church government. Johnson argues against denominationalism and in favor of a more familial structure for the church. He wants churches to come together under “spiritual fathers.” Johnson doesn’t expand on this point, but I take this to mean he wants churches in submission to the apostles. That right there is dominion theology, folks. I fail to see how that is not super scary. Johnson and his ilk seem to want my church to bow to the leadership of some dude who thinks he hears special, secret things from God. This is exactly what the Protestant Reformation was fighting against. I don’t need some spiritual megalomaniac directing me and proclaiming the stuff in his head like it’s the word of God. I have the word of God. It’s called the Bible, and it is sufficient, thank you very much.

This apostolic movement I see rising up is not God “doing a new thing.” It’s man doing what man has always done—grabbing for power and influence and using God to do it. The Roman Catholic Church tried to cement its power by keeping Bibles out of the hands of the common people so that only the priests could know the scriptures. However, now that we all have the Bible to read, and we understand it by the power of the Holy Spirit who resides in all Christians, we now are being told that some men have an extra dose of the anointing and can reveal more things of God that us run-of-the-mill Christians are not special enough to know. This approach isn’t even innovative. It’s called Gnosticism, and the early church battled against it thousands of years ago. It’s the methodology of cults and secret societies, and the church should have no part of it. Jesus even warned us about this kind of thing in Matthew 24: “At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look here is the Christ!’ [lit. “anointed one”] or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time.” He told us ahead of time, and we still don’t get it. If these are the end times, which many Christians, including dominion theologians seem to believe, then why aren’t we being more watchful, more careful? This is why it fries me when pastors say they can’t possibly be deceived because God would never let that happen. Dudes, Jesus told   you this was gonna happen. He said there would be deception, and the Bible even says that God Himself will send “a powerful delusion so that they [the perishing] will believe the lie” (2 Thes 2:11). If we’re so smitten with prophecy, why don’t we chew on that one for a while? As WSH likes to say, if it was supposed to be easy to divide the lie from the truth, we wouldn’t need discernment.

So I am deeply troubled, boys and girls. It isn’t that I think Bentley or Wagner or Johnson are bad guys at all. I’m sure they are very nice people who would be a riot to hang out with at parties. I want to believe they are sincerely misguided, genuine men who desire to know God. But.  They are spewing poison into the church, and that shouldn’t be tolerated. It’s one thing to embrace lunacy in your own theology, which really is bad enough, but that’s between you and God. It’s quite another to evangelize with heretical kool-aid. Keep the crazy to yourself, you know? What should be a cultish theology confined to a fringe group of wacky mystics is spreading like a metastasizing cancer into more mainstream charismatic churches. The church is sick. My  church is sick. And more and more I’m realizing that you can’t fight this kind of sickness with well-reasoned logic or sound doctrine. It will take prayer and a move of God to take back what the enemy has stolen and what we, like Esau, have foolishly thrown away. I need to spend less time on my soapbox and more time on my knees contending for my pastors and my church family. I’m at the end of me, and that’s probably a good thing. It’s time to wait upon the Lord. “

Stephen Strader re: Todd Bentley affair

from http://www.theledger.com/article/20080818/NEWS/1280971

“… [Stephen] Strader said last week when the separation was announced he had been told by Bentley’s organization there was “no third party involved.” On Monday, Strader said Bentley had deliberately kept him “out of the loop.”

“I was told Tuesday night they suspected something. I got the news Saturday morning. Todd told me he kept me out of the loop for my protection,” he said.

Strader said Bentley’s relationship with the staffer was the second time he has jeopardized his marriage.

“Three years ago, he did the exact same thing. He grew out of his relationship to his wife and transferred his affection to another. That’s the biggest frustration with us. The bottom line is that he was traveling too much and not taking care of his wife and family like he should,” he said.

Strader said he did not feel betrayed and that the latest disclosures do not invalidate the revival.

“One of the things we don’t understand is how God uses people of flawed character. People ask me, why choose someone who’s dysfunctional? Because God does it,” he said.

Lynne Breidenbach, a Lakeland woman who had acted as Bentley’s spokesperson, echoed Strader’s remark.

“This is a personal failing on Todd’s part, and he can recover from it. It’s not an excuse to live a sloppy life, but there should be some encouragement here. God knew ahead of time Todd’s frailty but chose to use him anyway,” she said. “Unfortunately, some Christians are going to be disappointed with God. It’s a good lesson for Christians to say, maybe you had unrealistic expectations.”

Strader stressed that the revival is still continuing at Ignited Church, although with smaller crowds.

“Miracles are still happening. God’s power is still present in the building,” he said.” [end of article]

“He grew out of his relationship to his wife and transferred his affection to another…”   wow, that is a new spin on adultery…. then blaming it on the travelling. The bottom line is that these recent statements show exactly what kind of men and women these ”Christian leaders” are – none of them mention sin, guilt, confession, repentence and restitution - and they completely pass the buck as if in denial. The Whitewashed walls!

True and False Prophets and Two Kinds of False Prophets

Thanks to ‘OhhowIlovJesus’ for pointing out this article here: by K Neill Foster on true and false prophets. The distinction between Two Kinds of False Prophets is very interesting.

Todd Bentley Excessive Drinking – More Information

Thanks to ‘Dan-O’ for posting this information from The Ledger.

By Cary McMullin, 21st August

“John Arnott, founder and pastor of the Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship and one of three pastors who have undertaken Todd Bentley’s rehabilitation, mentioned in a letter on his Web site Sunday that in addition to the previously reported “emotional” attachment to a female staffer, Bentley was drinking excessively. You can read the full letter here, but here’s the operative section:

“Everyone is asking, ‘What happened?’ ‘Why didn’t anyone see this coming?’ We are making the answers to those questions a matter of prayer, and are as shocked and saddened by what has just happened as you are. Furthermore, it has now come out that there has been some inappropriate behavior, both with excessive drinking and also with a female member of his staff. Please don’t jump to conclusions or assume the worst, but this behavior is wrong before the Lord.”

This confirms what I had heard off the record from a source, who said he had received reports from people close to Bentley, of Bentley being seen in local bars. I hadn’t reported this because it was secondhand, and I had no confirmation, but Arnott is in a position to know. Bentley has admitted he had a drug and alcohol problem as a teenager, before his conversion to Christianity.

Why is this an issue? After all, drinking (even to excess) is not illegal, nor in the eyes of society generally would it rise to the level of emotional abandonment of a spouse. But for Pentecostals, traditionally, drinking alcohol has been considered sinful and strictly forbidden. I was told by the Rev. Stephen Strader, pastor of Ignited Church, where the Florida Outpouring revival began, that although his church and denomination (Assemblies of God) have an abstinence rule forbidding consumption of alcohol, Bentley’s Fresh Fire Ministries does not have such a rule, which surprised me. In any event, it is obviously a matter of concern to Bentley’s supporters.”

A Letter to Bill Johnson From “A Child”

Thanks to Karen Butler for this -

“Bill, we would like to be one big happy family and play NICE (like no scary electricity or vibrations!) but first we gotta know if we have the same Father. Our Daddy says there are bad people out there who just LOOK like his kids, but aren’t, and that they actually want to HURT us so he says we have to careful about playing with strangers.

You and your friends do some things that our Daddy doesn’t let US do, like lie, and make people give you their money for no good reason at all, and bully others (one of your friends did VERY bad things like kicking an old lady in the face, and nobody told him to STOP IT!) and I know our Daddy would want us to stop people from doing these bad things. So this is very confusing to me.

And Daddy always likes us to be very well-behaved in public, so we don’t give the wrong impression to other kids, and they won’t want to be adopted into our family, and thats sad ’cause Daddy loves those stray kids. I’m sorry to say this to you Bill, but I’ve seen you on TV with some very WEIRD people like that lady who shook her head and hissed those strange words, and I sure wouldn’t want to be in HER family! You should tell her to mind her manners better! And you and your friends always talk about WEIRD stuff too, like girly looking angels with bags of gold dust, and porta potties taking people to Heaven (what’s up with that??) but I never hear much about what Daddy’s best son did on the cross to bring us home to him. Yes, Jesus is all I want to talk or sing about. Your songs are sooo boring, over and over again, “fire fall down on us we pray.” And wouldn’t fire burn you?? Very strange!

Daddy helps US to be orderly in public, so I don’t think his training is bad at all, if that is what “defective” means. He asks us to read his letters a lot when he’s gone so we remember what pleases him. We love him so much we read his letters over and over again, because he uses such wise words. I reeallly think you should read his letters more Bill, your talking might be better. You know, plain and easy to understand. Daddy always says when you love the true things it is easy to understand his words. So just use short sentences and no hard words like “denominationalism”–isn’t that about how there have to be differences among us, so people outside the family really KNOW who’s Daddys’ kids? I think thats a GOOD thing, Bill!

So I have this question for you, Bill, and I sure hope it doesn’t hurt your feelings like last time someone asked you a question like this and it seemed like you were ready to cry! Well, you swallowed hard a lot. Anyway, Bill, here it is: Who in God’s name IS your Father?”

Kira Mitchell re: Todd Bentley Affair and Divorce

Kira Mitchell of Unquenchable Fire Ministries was emailed on the 16th August, and asked for a statement re: Todd Bentley and Lakeland ‘in the light of recent events’. Kira is a Fresh Fire associate of Todd Bentley’s and has frequently appeared on stage at Lakeland. This is what she responded back with (very quickly I may add, so kudos to her for that):

“{My statement is that…] despite everything that is gone on that I am standing with Todd and Shonnah and their family and I will continue to be an associate and family friend and pray for them during this season.  Todd and Shonnah and Fresh Fire have impacted my life greatly and mentored me as a daughter.  During tough times family stick together and does not run.”

Kira was emailed back as she had said in the email she was not sure what kind of statement was wanted. Thanking her for her quick response, Kira was then asked…

“{We were more…] looking for a statement with your own personal comments because your personal, moral and spiritual integrity is on the line as well as Todd’s, because you have supported Todd and Lakeland? It is not just Todd’s personal marriage/sexual issues at stake but what went on at Lakeland as well before this [personal stuff came out] - eg the numerous lies?
 
For instance, do you support lies? How can you continue to support lies?”

Kira’s response to this email was:

“What lies? There has been nothing but honesty.”

To which she was answered:

“Nothing but honesty?  Do you truly in your heart of hearts before GOD honestly think this, Kira? Truly?”

This was sent on the 18th August and there has been no response to this yet from her.

Charisma Magazine Forum Refugee Click Here….

As some may know, Charisma Magazine  shut down its forums a few days ago. I actually wondered just before they did it how they felt about having so much stuff there not in favour of Todd Bentley or the NAR stuff there - particularly bearing in mind their very pro NAR agenda – and then they shut the forum down!

Anyway, for those that do not yet know, Sheeple has a forum going that has some of the forum refugees meeting down there -  http://www.sheepleblog.net/forum/index.php