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Australian Assemblies of God re Michael Guglielmucci Fraud

Statement from the Australian AOG website here re Michael Guglielmucci’s Faked Illness-

“Representatives of the National Executive recently met with Michael Guglielmucci.  At this meeting he read a statement indicating that his claim to have cancer was untrue.  His credential with the ACC was immediately suspended.  

The National Executive is taking this matter very seriously and is awaiting the results of medical tests before determining the full extent of the discipline that will be imposed upon him.

We are very concerned for the many people who have been or will be hurt by Michael’s actions and we encourage all of our churches to pray for all those affected.

Yours sincerely,

Alun Davies
National Vice President

20 August 2008″  

August 21, 2008 - Posted by endtimespropheticwords | False Prophets and Teachers, Healing, Hillsong, Michael Guglielmucci, Mike Guglielmucci, Prophecy | , , | 16 Comments

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  1. Say WHAT!?!?
    *is stunned*

    Comment by bethany | August 22, 2008

  2. “…the full extent of the discipline that will be imposed upon him.”

    Whether it happens or not, time will tell. But it IS refreshing to see evidence that someone who has deceived others in a public ministry may be held to account. Where sin is swept under the rug, it tends to flourish there.

    Comment by Dave | August 22, 2008

  3. I knew Michael from my school days. He was very popular back then, and probably still is. My church days are over, so I really have no direct involvement in this saga. However I do have a few comments to make. Firstly, I am unsure what caused Michael to start the lies. Was it a small lie, that grew into a bigger one? Did he then get himself in a situation where he could no longer tell the truth because he had gone too far? Did he take advantage of the lie by using it to preach?
    More importantly, I would like to comment on these types of churches and how innocent people may be effected. A church has a responsibility to be steady. The Bible talks about Christians being founded on solid foundation…on the rock so to speak. However, many churches today are based on popularity. Based on jumping and shouting. Based on the emotion of feeling Jesus and the holy Spirit. Is there a place for this…..I am not sure I should be able to judge this, but I think there is one thing missing in all of this. Truth and honesty. Jesus and his disciples were servants of God. Humility was their most important asset that they could give to the people. A lot of churches are more caught up in the new spiritual movements, definitely caught up in having the best and flashy music, and forget to give the people what they really need. Many pastors drive flashy cars, live in exotic houses, and due to their lifestyles probably don’t work as hard as many in the congregation. Is this wrong? I am not sure. I would have thought that a servant of God would not be into material things, but hey I never wrote the Bible so what should I know?
    What Michael did inspired people. His own deception brought people closer to God…so we are lead to believe. How can that be? The reason it is, is because the congregation are too involved in the emotional hype of the Church to see what is real and what is not. In my opinion this is a very dangerous game. When the emotion runs out what are you left to stand on? Emotion and feeling is NOT a solid foundation. If we could lose the hype and just get back to basics, then I believe Christians will be better off. However the arguement goes like this, if you lose the flashy part of the Church, it will then become boring and the number of attendences drop. It kind of makes you wonder what is real and what is not. My opinion only, and I don’t mean to offend anybody.

    Comment by Bov | August 22, 2008

  4. Bov – you do not offend, you are right about the emotionalism and the hype. Why are your church days over?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 22, 2008

  5. Bov, I hope your days with the Lord Jesus Christ aren’t over. He is first and foremost what ‘Christianity’ is all about.

    Comment by shoshana | August 22, 2008

  6. Hi ,
    2 points …..Michael is not the first . In my profession we had Dr William McBride of thalidomide fame eventually deregistered after fabricating research…. but eventually rehabilitated . I am sure plenty of others in various nonchristian professions have pushed the truth, I am not defending it but I am saying ”lET he who is without sin cast the first stone ”.
    Re Hype …Yes I agree but don’t have to throw the baby out with the bath water . I am a medico and I never believed that healing in the modern age occurred and I thought it was all emotional hype . Then in completely ;;non hype” situation was prayed for and healed and then again on another occasion , also my wife .So I for one could never go ”back” . Find the balance

    Comment by dr gary porter | August 22, 2008

  7. Personal reasons. I think you get to a point where you try and work out what is right and wrong….not with the Church but one self. For me, I have no ill feelings about any Church. I am more than happy for my friends and family to attend. I get more out of my discussions with my friends then I ever got at the Church though. But it is all good. I am happy.

    Comment by Bov | August 22, 2008

  8. I’d like to respond to the comment made about how the deception led people to Christ. No matter who the messenger is, the mesage remains true and pure. God uses anyone. Many people have been saved by Mike and it is at this point that people have to realise that they are saved by God and not Mike. Christians should not affect your walk and faith in God because it has nothing to do with other people. This of course is extremely difficult, however, faith was never going to be easy.
    I think this is not a time for judgement…but this is when our faith is truly tested and we extend mercy, love and grace towards Mike and his family.

    Comment by Breanna | August 23, 2008

  10. Shortly after my 44th birthday last year, I was diagnosed with ovarian cancer. Initially my prognosis was described as “very good,” however, things have not gone so well since and I’m told that my chances of remission are now “very low.” I have spent many long days (and nights) in anguish, trying to understand how and why the God I have loved and trusted since childhood would allow this to happen. In the last 12 months, I have had 3 surgical procedures and am presently on my 3rd round of chemo. It has been a long hard slog, and I got to the point where I found it easier not to believe in God at all, rather than believe in an all-loving, all-powerful God who could stop all this, but instead chooses to sit on His hands and do nothing.

    In the midst of all this, a dear friend pointed me to Micheal Guglielmucci as an example of how God can cause “all things to work together for good.” Micheal’s deception has hurt her a great deal; and it is very evident that my physical and spiritual battles are nothing compared to his. Mostly, I feel very, very sad for this man; however (and I am ashamed to confess this), there is a tiny little part of me that hopes he gets to experience first-hand the joys of cancer treatment – the nausea, fatigue, hair loss, radiation burns, the pricking,poking, probing, prodding and pain – if he thinks cancer is such a great idea for evangalism and spreading the Word. He has made my friends at the AOG, and Christians in general, look like fools, and trivialized the pain and suffering of genuine cancer patients.

    Apparently not even his parents or wife were aware of his deception. I can understand how his parents may not have been aware of his lie, but his wife must have known. She may be in denial and choosing not to see, but there are some things involved with cancer treatment that cannot be hidden from the people you share your home with.

    Anyway, one good thing has come from my illness and it’s treatment. In my search for answers, I accidently stumbled across this site. I’ve found it inspiring, and encouraging -something I am sorely in need of at the moment. It’s nice to know that there are others “out there” who understand that having faith doesn’t mean you cannot use your brain, and must just swallow everything somebody who looks good and sounds “right” says!I know God can do miracles (and it looks like that is what it’s going to take for me to see my 50th birthday)but I found a long time ago that if you dare to question some of these people, you are accused of being faithless. We live in interesting times.

    Comment by Dianne | August 25, 2008

  11. Dianne – there are fakes out there, but I for one have been miraculously healed (through no man.) I pray you will meet the Healer, but physically healed or not that you will know HIM and Love HIM for all He is regardless of healing or not (pp Job) and find your perfect peace by standing on Him. Bless you. May God restore you and restore the years the locusts have eaten.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 25, 2008

  12. Praying for you Dianne. I’m sorry that the AOG seems to be very very guilty these days: they used to be stalwart. But like Miriam said, HE DOES STILL HEAL.
    Keep this site updated on your situation, and Lord bless and keep you.

    Comment by AriseMyLove | August 25, 2008

  13. Dianne: “Keep this site updated on your situation, and Lord bless and keep you.”
    Please do!

    Comment by Killerud Sigbjørn | August 25, 2008

  14. Dianne-I really feel for you and what you have been through.
    I do have 2 friends who have recently recovered from breast cancer after prayer,surgery, radiotherapy and much support. I pray for God to hear your cry and your hearts desire.

    Comment by Suzanne | August 25, 2008

  15. Dear Sister Diane, I too have health problems but not near as severe as you. I am 52 years old and I have asked God many things over the years during times of suffering and times of not having the things I desired. I have asked Him, “Why did You not give me children, Lord. You know that is the one thing I ever really wanted.”
    “Why have you allowed so many sick people around me? Can I not have just one month where no one is sick and all is well?”
    “Why did you let me get heart disease at such an early age? You know all I wanted to do was to be able to go here and there to serve you, but now I can’t Lord.”
    “Why have you let those who were close to me forsake me over the past few years?”
    “Why won’t you you just give me enough strength for one day to just get things done like I used to?”
    “Why does it seem everybody else has such wonderful lives and mine is completely screwy and I am never joyful?”
    “Why can’t my mother be healthy like someone elses’ mother?”

    I have asked Him these things and more over the years. I am not saying them to you now for any kind of pity or anything. I am just stating facts. I pretty much stopped asking questions. As it is just too tiresome. I would rather try and focus on now.

    I can’t say a booming voice came down and answered my questions. Some have yet to still be answered and I suppose I will not know the answer to many of them till I see my Savior face-to-face.

    But one thing I do know. His desire is for me to know Him.
    I found out that when I was healthy and on top of things, I just did not “need” Him so much. I was so independent and proud of my own strength and abilities. Well, that bit the dust. If my husband tells me he is “proud” of me for working in the yard and getting something done, I tell him, “Do not say that. It is not by my strength or ability. It is by Gods’. Rather you should say you take pleasure in what God has equipped me to do.” Like Job I can say,”Before I was afflicted, I went astray.”

    I have learned to take pleasure in the little things God allows me to do. Such sweet and tender moments between me and the Lord in the times of weakness, that no one on this earth can touch. I have learned He is all that I need. Even though some times I still may have me a little pity party… and I really go all out, hats and balloons! I can really throw a party sometimes! But I don’t “party” long. Because there is only one place that is safe and a true comfort to my soul. And that is the place of the cross. Letting the cross do its’ work in me. Now, I can not say I know exactly how it is done. Sickness is NOT our cross. But it can lead us to the cross. It is a mysterious place where we go and learn “I can’t but you can Jesus.” It is a place where no one else can go with us, but Jesus. It is the place where we learn of his nature as we die so He can live in us. It is a place of complete solitude other than Jesus. Our help will not be in man or mans’ teachings. But in Him who loves our soul. It is the place where we hear Him speak, “My grace is sufficient.” It is the place where we come to the end of ourselves and say, “Not my will, but your will, oh Lord.”

    We won’t find the Cross by reading books like “the purpose driven life,” or “Your best life now.” We only find it through our sufferings. If we run from our sufferings we never find it. I believe this is where the church has made its’ greatest mistake. Too many want a quick fix to cure their ailments. (I’m not talking about the severely sick.) So many want to be “healed” of so many things, never even giving it a thought maybe God wants to heal them by convicting them of sin in some area. They will read every book they can find on “how to be a better you” and other such nonsense, when all along Jesus is saying, “pick up your cross and die so that I may live and arise in you.”
    Oh how bad I want to know what this means but I would be lying if i said it did not scare me somehow!

    Diane, I know you know these things but I say them anyway, God has not forgotten about you. He sees you in your sufferings. He is there for you. He longs for you to know Him as He is even now, especially now, during your time of suffering. He alone can offer your soul the comfort and peace you need at this time. He has not cast you off. He is on the throne. He will never leave you or forsake you. Cling to Jesus. Let no one or anything come between your sufferings and Him right now. He says his love for you is jealous and He desires that you make no other greater than Him in your life. He is the well from which you drink. He is the source of your joy and strenght. He is the One who makes it possible for any of us to say, “This is the day the Lord has made. I will rejoice and be glad in it.”

    I will be praying for you, my sister.

    Comment by redeemedhippie | August 25, 2008

  16. I don’t know how “the system” works in heaven, but I really, really hope that one day the Lord will allow me to thank all you good people personally for your prayers and kind words. It means a great deal to me at this point in time.

    For those who are interested-an update on my situation. I’ll be having weekly chemo for a few more weeks, then another CT scan (probably towards the end of September) to see just what is happening and where. My blood work isn’t giving much away; the protein CA125 is normally used to monitor your progress, but mine keeps coming back as being within normal limits. (The tendency of the CA125 test to throw “false negatives,” as I am doing, and “false positives” is one reason among many why it is not used as a routine screening test for all women for ovarian cancer.)Instead, I have a secondary tumour the size of a golf ball in my left breast which is being left in situ to monitor my reaction to the chemo. When it starts to get softer and smaller, we’ll know that any other undetected tumours will also be shrinking, and I’ll be off to theatre to get the wretched thing chopped out. Cannot be too soon, so far as I’m concerned!

    “Locusts” were mentioned in an earlier post, and it is such an accurate and apt description for my life in recent times! It hasn’t been just one “big thing” (although cancer is big enough!)that has been challenging me so severely, it has been the constant barrage of smaller things that keep on chewing away at me. I lost my dear old horse in January 2007, and that was like losing a member of the family. Three weeks later, my Dad died very suddenly; he was only 68, and the fall-out from that has been immense. Amongst other things, we’ve had to sell our family farm, and keep it going in drought conditions until it was sorted. I was diagnosed in August 2007. In between treatment, I’ve been able to help Mum buy a house in town; ironically, she takes possesion of it next month on what would have been Dad’s 70th birthday. It will bring her much nearer to me, which will be nice.

    Having said all that, though, I feel in my heart that the worst of it all might be over. I have a lot of good people around me, praying for me and helping me out. Nothing, but nothing, is impossible for God; I haven’t given up hope that He might restore my health, miracles can and do happen. Despite everything, I can see that He still has work for me to do. I have met a lot of sad and desperate people during treatment, and while sick Christians don’t generally make great witnesses (there is something very contradictory about talking about a God of Love who is apparently quite willing to sit by and let you die way too young), there is nonetheless, a time and place for it. It’s hard, but then Jesus never promised us a way out of anything, but rather that He’d be with us through anything.

    As for Micheal G.- His name came up on Thursday, when I had chemo, he really has made a lot of people very angry and confused. I have read and heard people saying things about not dismissing the truth of his message, despite his failings; to not throw the baby out with the bath water, so to speak. The trouble is, I think, that in the “real world” the means of delivering the message is also a part of the message. For example, my doctor’s appointments are written down in a nice, easy to read format on a nice business card. The information could just as easily be written on a piece of scrap paper or the back of an old envelope – it would not change the message. “You need to be here at this time.” But it gives me confidence that my doctor is a competent professional when his office delivers his message in a competent professional manner. “Truth” is a very basic principal of the Christian message; when it’s delivered by a liar, things get messy. Micheal Guglielmucci’s main audiences were youth and young people, I think; when he has managed to confuse and upset mature adults, I hate to think of the mess he will have created in less experienced, immature minds. He will have to answer to God for his behaviour, as will his wife, who I cannot believe did not know what was going on. People with cancer don’t always look sick (I don’t!), but there are some aspects of cancer treatment that you just cannot hide from those you live with. She may be in denial, or just refusing to see – the capacity of the human mind to deceive itself is incredible.

    Again, many, many thanks for the prayers and kind thoughts. God be with you all! (And tomorrow is the first day of spring. It has been a particularly cold, dreary winter this year, and just the thought of warmer weather on the way is cheering!!)

    Comment by Dianne | August 31, 2008


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