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Joyce Meyer on Men Being Little Gods

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August 21, 2008 - Posted by endtimespropheticwords | False Prophets and Teachers, Joyce Meyer, Prophecy | , , | 12 Comments

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  1. Miriam,I don’t recall if you have this or not? Thought maybe the people that didn’t see this video, I found a site that transcribed it for those who never got to hear the story! I only posted it here so you could repost it if you so chose!

    Love you sister,
    Debbie
    OhhowILOVEJESUS

    Comment by OhhowILOVEJESUS | August 21, 2008

  2. Once again we have WoF adherents misapplying John 10:34-36:

    34Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods?’ 35If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

    Since Jesus is speaking to experts in the Law He knew they would understand that he was referring to Psalms 82:6:

    5 “They know nothing, they understand nothing.
    They walk about in darkness;
    all the foundations of the earth are shaken.

    6 “I said, ‘You are “gods”;
    you are all sons of the Most High.’

    7 But you will die like mere men;
    you will fall like every other ruler.”

    8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
    for all the nations are your inheritance.     [Psalms 82:5-8 NIV]

    Note in verse 6 above that “gods” is in quotes. These verses are speaking of rulers/judges who were appointed by God. These were referred to as ‘gods.’ So, since the Pharisee’s were calling Jesus a blasphemer, why didn’t they refer to the rulers/judges as above blasphemers? The answer is that they were only ‘gods’ in a figurative, not literal, sense.

    On the other hand, Jesus proclaimed his Divinity:

    36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. 38But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” [John 10:36-38 NIV]

    Here Jesus is comparing and contrasting what He was doing as the Son of God — the miracles — and what the rulers/judges had done. This passage does not assert that anyone besides God is a god.

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | August 21, 2008

  3. yes please a transcription would be great…

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 21, 2008

  4. OOps forgot to post the story?
    By Todd Bentley (ed. Kathy Thorne, dated 05/07/07)

    An Encounter with Jesus:

    God’s works and His ways are unendingly awesome! A whole new dimension is opening up for those who love the Lord, who are in the right position. Remember last week I shared that heaven is more real to me now than it’s ever been; all because I’ve been there! I’ve been taken into heaven.

    Recently, the Lord Jesus Christ walked into my world while I was away ministering at a Youth Conference, just like He did when He approached two of His disciples as they walked along the road to Emmaus! (Luke 24:13–15). Here’s what happened. I was sitting with my team at the conference. It was already in session but I was getting ready to minister. I was receiving specific prophetic words from the Lord for the region and for the church hosting it, when suddenly I was overcome by the Holy Spirit. Feeling somewhat weak, as if I was going to go into a trance, [a feeling somewhat familiar to me], I asked my team to help me leave the meeting. I had about an hour’s time before I was scheduled to speak and they took me behind the platform into a little room. Sitting down on the couch I could feel a strong overwhelming sense of the presence of God and I knew I was going to fall into a trance. I was going to have a supernatural encounter.

    In the chair, with my eyes open, I had an open vision. Jesus appeared right in front of me. It was as though He stepped right out of heaven, the Lord Jesus Himself, and stood before me as a Man. He wasn’t the King of glory or the Lord full of majesty. He was as He would have been on the earth as the Son of man. In fact, I was struck by His appearance, surprised that He did not look more majestic—King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. But I knew it was the Lord; I saw His eyes.

    Now I want you to understand there are times when, although you can see everything (in a heavenly encounter), there are only certain details that become the focus. So, even though I could give a description of the Lord, the main thing that I was drawn to was Jesus’ eyes. He had brown eyes, and I know it sounds funny, but I immediately thought of Bambi! He had these big brown eyes and he was wearing a simple garment; it was almost brown, like the dust of the earth or almost the color of wood (the cross), with a little hint of purple. Pondering what I was seeing, I had the quickening realization that He was as the Good Shepherd would be. It was like Jesus simply stepped out of the harvest field, came as the Son of man, very humble in apparel. I focused on the eyes of the Lord. I wanted to go into His eyes. I was drawn into His eyes.

    The Lord (of course) knew what I was thinking! He spoke to me without words— “These are My eyes as I had eyes on the earth. But if you were to see Me in heaven I have eyes ‘blue, like revelation eyes,’ like fire. These are My human eyes, not My God eyes.” As I looked into His eyes I couldn’t help but notice that from behind the Lord, almost like a projection, a vision of heaven shone from the back of the Lord’s body. It was as if He stepped out of heaven and a trail of heaven followed Him. He appeared before me but heaven was projected behind him. That’s what I saw. [“The glory of the Lord will be your rear guard” (Is. 58:8)].

    Out of the Lord came beams of white and golden light. Such brightness! From out of the white, golden, light came other brilliant colors—blue, purple, green, red and pink were the main ones—like rainbows. Pink prophetically represents love and emotions. I saw what looked to be ten rainbows coming from the Lord, Himself. It reminded me of the description of the throne room in Ezekiel 1:28—“Like the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness all around it. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD.”

    Then I saw what Psalm 23 and Isaiah 35 describe. I began to have a vision of the Paradise of heaven. I saw flowers, and gardens. I saw bumble bees, large blue birds, and humming birds. I saw many lions and lambs lying down together. I thought: This is the millennium. I am living Psalm 23. I am living the highway of holiness in Isaiah 35.

    Plainly, heaven came out of the Lord! The Lord was heaven! And yet, there is a place, heaven, but it’s not separable from the Lord. Literally, heaven is the bosom of the Father. Literally, heaven is God; it is light. When you are in heaven you are in God, you are in Christ, and you are in the Father. However, it’s not merely that there is a place called “heaven” where Jesus sits on His throne in heaven. Though that is true, heaven literally came out of the Lord. I saw white shafts of light everywhere. I even saw rivers of oil, rivers of honey, and I saw bridges. Incredible! Open heavens! I saw a sun in the sky though there was no need for a sun. It was a prophetic picture of the Son of Righteousness because God is the light of heaven. I saw the color of the glory. I said, “I am beholding the glory, and this is the Lord Himself.”

    Then the Lord did two things to me. He walked up to me and He put His hand inside my belly and He gave me a supernatural enablement to live through what was about to take place. He was establishing me so I wouldn’t die. I say that because when I saw heaven I wanted to pass the Lord and go into heaven. But the Lord said, “If you pass Me right now, you will die. Todd, you are not just having a vision, you are in heaven and this is real.” The Lord said, “I am the gate, I am the door, I am the ladder. There is no heaven without Me.” He said if you pass Me, you will die. Something sustained me. He put His hand on my shoulder and looked me in the eyes and said one word, “Peace I give you, not as the world gives,” and this peace came over me like a vibration and my whole body vibrated while I received the peace of God.

    Then the vision faded and I was numb, honestly. I was still behind the platform. Remember, I was in a meeting and I was going to preach soon. Yet I was so overcome by the glory of God I just laid on the floor behind the stage, behind the curtain. Then as I was lying there, all of a sudden I was caught up instantly into the spirit. I was no longer aware that I was in a conference setting. All of a sudden I was standing on a grassy hill and I saw still waters, a river flowing, I saw river banks. It was like Psalm 23, green pastures, and I was looking down. I thought the (flowing) river was going to be pure living water but as I looked I saw that it was a river of oil and honey. Next the colors changed from pink and rainbows, white light and the color of gold, to orangey red. Everywhere I looked was the appearance of amber. Everywhere, it was like a sunrise or a sunset, red or ruby or orangey red.

    I looked up to my left and there was a bridge, and my first thought was: What a secret place. Still waters, I am in paradise, this is Ps 23. Look at that beautiful bridge! I just want to sit up on the bridge. That’s what I was thinking. The butterflies were flying by and I felt the peace of God, I was overcome by the Shalom, wow. I thought: Look at that bridge. Now, when you think something in heaven, you are there, so although I don’t actually remember moving, the next thing I knew I was actually sitting on the bridge.

    What happened next? Well, I am still feasting on it, and so I want to share the fantastic banquet with you next week in Part Three. In preparation I invite you to pray and meditate on Hebrews 12:1, the scripture quoted at the very beginning of this teaching series. For next week, emphasis will be placed on “since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses.”

    “Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us.”

    An Encounter with Paul, Abraham and King David:

    This week I want to begin exactly where I left off last week—sitting on the bridge, in the peace of God in heaven, overwhelmed by the beauty surrounding me—completely ripe for whatever God wanted to do. Truly, in that amazing place, the blessing of God touched my life far beyond all I could ever ask or think. What happened next has indelibly marked my destiny, forever, as a son of God.

    MY FIRST MEETING

    Now it could have been anyone, or any thing, but by God’s design as unbelievable as it may sound, I actually saw the apostle Paul come walking toward me onto the bridge. You might be wondering how I knew immediately that it was Paul. I just perceived it by divine knowledge and revelation. Some things you just know.

    People have asked me what he looked like, and so I will attempt to describe his appearance. He was short, not more than 5’1” or 5’2” (I’m 5’6”). He was bald except for a little crown of hair that came around his head. Looking very Jewish with a short, trimmed, white beard, my first thought was of a monk in a monastery! He actually had jolly cheeks and I thought: Paul you’ve got a little weight on you! I mean he wasn’t fat but he looked a little pudgy! Funny, eh? But that’s what I was thinking!

    He sat next to me and he took his hand and placed it across my chest not saying anything. But I felt like I was receiving an apostolic blessing from a father—“For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift, so that you may be established” (Rom. 1:11). While he touched my chest, Abraham and David appeared out of the cloud of witnesses (Heb. 12:1). Although they were very close (and yet somehow at a distance), they weren’t the main focus. They were simply there as witnesses to an encounter.

    Next, Paul spoke to me without words spirit to spirit. I never heard one word but I had instant knowledge of what he was saying. He said that David and Abraham are true fathers—“These are the apostolic fathers”—and I thought to myself: Why Abraham and David? He answered me by saying that there would be no gospel without Abraham. People forget that without Abraham there would be no Israel, or Jewish people (Ps. 105:6–11; Gen. 15:1–5, 18–21; Gen. 17).

    Just so you know too, Abraham was taller than David and Paul, about 6’5”. He was a very big rugged looking man, very big boned, large hands, having a long black beard and hair. In fact he looked quite East Indian or Pakistani (in skin color); not like an African man (in blackness), but closer to an East Indian man. He actually didn’t look Jewish at all!

    Now David’s appearance was much different from Abraham’s. Having seen Jesus before, I noticed that David’s features were similar to Jesus, the Son of David. Both Jesus’ hair and David’s hair were alike—long brown reddish locks that hung to their shoulders. David’s eyes were blue and he wore a purple royal robe but when he lifted his arm, inside his robe I saw the color blue; it was very kingly. He was very handsome with a short beard and he was really well kept.

    GLIMPSES INTO THE APOSTLE PAUL’S LIFE

    As I just stated, Paul told me that essentially there would be no gospel and there would be no Israel without Abraham. He said too, that there would be no gospel without David because there would be no divine Son of David (Jesus Christ) in order for the kingdom and His throne to be built upon the throne of David (Luke 1:31, 32). Jesus came through the lineage of David and with Jesus’ coming, the gospel was released.

    Paul also said that—in the sense of the revelation of the gospel to the Gentiles—he was the greatest carrier of that revelation to them. He took what Jesus brought and made it available to the rest of the world, and the global evangelism that’s taking place today comes as a result of the revelation of the gospel by the apostle Paul.

    Because he didn’t actually walk with Jesus Christ when He was alive on earth like the other apostles did, Paul said that people doubted he was a true apostle. So, he had to fight against that doubtful mindset, because he really was a true apostle. We can read in First Corinthians Chapter 15 where Paul begins to describe why he was an apostle and he says, “Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time” (v. 8). Paul did see Jesus, and I’ll discuss this in more detail later.

    PAUL’S HEAVENLY DOWNLOAD DID NOT COME FROM MAN

    What’s more, Paul said, “Todd, I want to share with you how I received the revelation of the gospel and I want to share with you some of the encounters that I had in the third heaven.” Thinking: This needs to be in the Bible, Paul, I said “okay” to that. Then, as Paul began pointing out passages of scripture, the Bible opened up to me – boom! Certain scriptures literally jumped off the page; for starters, two verses from the Book of Galatians: “But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ” (1:11, 12, emphasis mine).

    After Paul highlighted those scriptures, he asked, “Do you want to know when that (Gal. 1:11, 12) happened?” Of course I did! And so he told me it occurred when the events described in Second Corinthians 12:1–4 took place:

    “It is doubtless not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago–whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows–such a one was caught up to the third heaven. And I know such a man–whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows– how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.”

    Yes, Paul didn’t preach the gospel according to man, nor did he get revelation in the same way that the other apostles did. Paul’s revelation came through the revelation of Jesus Christ in the third heaven! “Jesus Christ was with me when I was here in heaven, and He shared the revelation of the gospel Himself,” said Paul. Friends, that’s essentially what it says right here in Galatians 1:11, 12 which I just quoted!

    In fact, the Bible says that Paul emphasized once more (to the Galatians) that he did not preach the gospel according to man—“. . . that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days” (Gal. 1:16–18, emphasis mine).

    To paraphrase, he was saying, “When I got saved I did not talk with flesh and blood and not one single man taught me. I didn’t go to any Bible school and I didn’t hang out with any other apostles. Instead, I spent three years in Arabia in the desert by myself. During those three years I had a third heaven encounter (2 Cor. 12:1–4). That’s when I was taken up into heaven and had visions and revelations of the Lord. I heard inexpressible words which were unlawful to utter.

    So let’s track the context of these events. After Paul’s encounter in the third heaven he went up to Jerusalem and visited with Peter for fifteen days (getting to know him better), and he saw James as well (Gal. 1:18, 19). But much later, after an interval of fourteen years, Paul returned to Jerusalem (with Barnabas and Titus) because he had something important to tell the other apostles (Gal. 2:1). And what did he have for the other apostles to hear? It was the revelation that he received in the third heaven which he preached among the Gentiles (2:2)!

    REVELATION BY THE SPIRIT OF REVELATION

    In fact, I believe Paul’s apostleship was born in the third heaven when he walked with the Lord there.

    So, bearing in mind Paul’s third heaven encounter, I want to challenge some of you by asking a few questions. Is there a greater realm than just conferring with other apostles and disciples [even though I believe in all that]? Is there a greater realm than just what man teaches? Is it possible that today by revelation, by the Spirit of revelation, God is teaching believers? Look. Fresh Fire Ministries has a Supernatural Training Centre and I have an internship program. I believe in mentoring, discipling, releasing and raising men and woman up for ministry. But I believe that there are those that can be literally taken into heaven and in one moment in heaven God can give them more than anything they can learn by being with other apostles and disciples.

    Furthermore, think about this: Jesus Christ put his hand inside my belly (see Part Two: Heaven is much more than we think), and Paul laid his hand on my chest to give me a father’s blessing. Listen! We need more blessings like this from Jesus Christ and the true apostles. I believe that similar experiences need to happen to you for your encounter in heaven and also for the church today . . . which brings me to my final crucial question. Do you want this?

    PAUL’S MEETING WITH THE FATHER OF THE FAITH

    Back to Paul! I discovered while conversing with Paul that it wasn’t only Jesus Christ who taught him in heaven. I say this because Paul told me: “Abraham taught me, in heaven, and that’s how and why I wrote the book of Hebrews. What I heard was from the lips of Abraham himself.”

    I know I’m stepping out on theology now; however, I want you to understand that Paul always made it clear when he authored an epistle—“Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ” or “Paul, a bond-servant of Christ.” Always! Yet, for the Book of Hebrews, although most Bible scholars believe that it was authored by Paul, there are those that really can’t say it was him because the authorship is never clear. Paul told me why. Here is what he said to me. “Do you know why I know so much about Abraham?” [So much of Hebrews is based on other things that you just can’t pull from in other scriptures.] He said, “Abraham himself shared (information) with me and I simply wrote it” (in the Book of Hebrews). “The authorship isn’t clear because it was Abraham and I; Abraham shared with me.” [Much of Hebrews is about Abraham; i.e. Hebrews Chapter 11.] Paul said, “When I was in the third heaven, Abraham was with me like you are with me now.”

    THE MESSAGE OF THE HOUR IS A TWOFOLD MESSAGE

    Then Paul emphasized that the beginning of First Corinthians Chapter Two contains the most important passage of scripture for the church in this hour. Do you know how it begins? With the message of the cross—“And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified” (vv. 1, 2).

    In fact, when you read First Corinthians Chapter Two, yes, Paul begins by preaching the cross, but he also speaks about the hidden mysteries and he ends with preaching about revelatory gifts and the deep things of God (vv. 7–16). So it’s like Paul was saying (paraphrase): “I was never just (only) a preacher of the gospel and I was never just a man of the gospel and salvation. I was a prophet of visions and revelations. I was a man of prophetic encounters and prophetic experiences. I was a man of the open heavens. I was a man that believed in the revelatory gift of the Spirit of God searching the deep things of God and revealing it to me. We have the mind of Christ!”

    He was saying that, above all, God is releasing the message of the cross, the gospel, in power (preaching and salvation), but not without hidden mysteries and not without revelation. So the message of the hour is actually a twofold message. One: the message of the cross. Two: the message released with hidden mysteries revealed by revelation.

    A VISIT AT PAUL’S HOUSE

    Shuba! Next, I was at Paul’s house and he said to eat the Book of Titus!

    Now one of the most striking scriptures in the Book of Titus is the first verse where it opens with—“Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ” (emphasis mine). “Todd, never just be an apostle or just do signs and wonders.” “No!” said Paul, “be a love slave.”

    Immediately after Paul’s counsel I was conscious of the fact that there is something that influences our thinking when we hit apostle status or senior pastor status that somehow we are above the people. In response Paul said, “Not me. I was a love slave. I was a bondservant and an apostle. But what made me a great apostle was my great love . . . my great love . . .” Then, as Paul’s message touched my heart, I ate the Book of Titus while he pronounced: “This is for the sons and daughters that you are raising up.”

    You know, it’s about relationship (for instance, fathering and mothering), and if you read through the Book of Titus you can see the intimacy that existed between Titus and Paul. And so I’ve come to appreciate that this book is good nurturing food, just the right kind that a father would want to give to bless his sons and daughters.

    Now hang on, because Paul had more in store for me! Next he told me to eat the Book of Hebrews, which is one of the most prophetic books in the Bible! And ever since then, more than ever before, I’m preaching from the Book of Hebrews with much greater understanding.

    What’s more, several days later I was taken back into heaven to Paul’s house! But this time I didn’t go inside. I stayed outside where I saw a ladder in his back yard like the one described in Genesis 28, Jacob’s ladder. [I’ve come to understand that there are ladders like that in heaven in order to ascend and descend into different realms because heaven has places, geographical places. For example, the first heaven is where we live on the earth; the second heaven is the invisible realm of Ephesians 6: 12; and the third heaven where I was with Paul, it’s the Paradise of God (Rev. 2:7).]

    So I jumped onto the ladder and began to climb up into another realm. I saw around me that it was all clouds so I began to pull those clouds back. As I did, a hole opened up in the heavens. Immediately then, out of heaven, flowed the color green, not just a light; it was like a green liquid and it was pouring onto my eyes! When I asked God about this, He said, “You are coming into the throne room; you are beneath the sea of glass; there is a rainbow around the throne. It’s not just above the throne; it’s a circle around the throne, a rainbow, emerald, green in color.” [“And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald” (Rev. 4:3).] I had just climbed into the fourth realm of heaven which is the throne room, (with more realms to follow). [You can read Revelation Chapter Four for a good description of the throne room.]

    Although I was aware that there were other colors in the rainbow, I focused mainly on three colors—blue, purple, and pink. Therefore, before I share about the other realms I saw, I want to speak about these three colors because I received notable revelation about what each color symbolizes.

    Do you know what green represents, besides prosperity? It’s growth, new things, life, growth in the Lord, what you grow into. Blue is revelation, and when you grow into revelation, what does it release? Purple! This color represents authority and kingship. [Revelation and counsel bring might, and revelation releases the true authority which brings the kingdom.] What happens after purple? Pink! Remember, last week I said that pink prophetically represents love and emotions. These two attributes are crucial because faith works by love! So, here’s the download: You grow in revelation; revelation releases authority, and the kingdom comes and rules; and it operates out of emotion and love.

    Back to climbing! I went up from the throne room into the fifth realm which is the heavenly city. I saw streets that are golden and mansions and I noticed that it was very different from the Paradise of God (third heaven) where there are hills, still waters, and flowers. It wasn’t as peaceful. Next came the sixth realm of heaven which is the place where the angels live. There is literally a realm reserved for Michael, Gabriel, all the arch angels and all the angels under the arch angels! This isn’t the second heaven, the angel and demon realm, where they battle. It’s just a realm where the angels dwell. Then the last heaven I saw, the seventh realm was other universes and the solar systems; undiscovered universes and planets that God has created.

    JESUS IS THE DOOR

    There could be other heavenly realms; however, I only saw seven. But having said that, friends, really . . . everything I experienced and saw—Jesus, Paul, the seven atmospheres of heaven, and more—when it’s all said and done, it all boils down to Jesus Christ. He is the essence of everything and He is the all in all. He is the way, the truth and the life (John 14:6). It’s about Him! An encounter with heaven is an encounter with the Lord Jesus Christ! It’s about friendship and intimacy with Jesus; He wants us to experience ever-increasing measures of His love and greater glory.

    In this hour God wants us to realize that He is causing a great shift to take place in the church. Today He is releasing keys to unlock some of the hidden mysteries and He is giving crucial revelation to willing believers because God is building up His kingdom “on the earth as it is in heaven” NOW. But it’s for those who want it! God is establishing the reality of heaven in our hearts if we will allow Him! Once again, do you want this?

    You know, when Jesus died for us on the cross He did so because of the joy that was set before Him (Heb. 12:2). You and I are that joy; the joy not only written on His heart, but on His hands too—“See, I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands; your walls are continually before Me” (Is. 49:16). Now think about this. If we will allow the reality of heaven to be written on our hearts it will be a joy for us, too; because Jesus Christ is the Joy. The reality of heaven is Jesus Christ, and we are His joy and He is our joy, and it’s all written on our hearts!

    There’s more. Joy involves pleasure. Remember, we discussed (in the first segment) how the covenant with God that Olympic athlete Eric Liddell made, brought God such great pleasure that Eric Liddell could actually feel God’s pleasure! The reality of heaven was written on his heart! Eric overcame and outran all the opposition both in the natural and in the spiritual realms. With all eyes on him, he was God’s man for the hour! Equally, God wants you to run your race as a champion, too; AND YOU WILL!

    Also, we took a look at the early explorers and the modern-day astronauts (in the second segment), those fearless ground-breakers who explored uncharted territory on the earth and in the heavens. Remember, the DNA that launched them into the deep is available to you, too! God wants your faith to soar to new heights.

    It bears repeating—God wants you to experience the reality of heaven, that heaven is real! And that’s why this teaching-article was written. Yet, ultimately, remember that it’s about Jesus! It all comes back to Him! He is the door and it’s only through Jesus Christ that you and I can enter in to the greater glory and the joy of our Lord. He is the only door to every true encounter with heaven.

    “Then Jesus said to them again, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep . . . I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture . . .I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.’”—John 10:7, 9, 10b.

    Todd Bentley

    SEE MY RESPONSE: Todd Bentley – Looking at the Fruits

    EMMA, ANGEL OF THE PROPHETIC

    Now let me talk about an angelic experience with Emma. Twice Bob Jones asked me about this angel that was in Kansas City in 1980: “Todd, have you ever seen the angel by the name of Emma?” He asked me as if he expected that this angel was appearing to me. Surprised, I said, “Bob, who is Emma?” He told me that Emma was the angel that helped birth and start the whole prophetic movement in Kansas City in the 1980s. She was a mothering-type angel that helped nurture the prophetic as it broke out. Within a few weeks of Bob asking me about Emma, I was in a service in Beulah, North Dakota. In the middle of the service I was in conversation with Ivan and another person when in walks Emma. As I stared at the angel with open eyes, the Lord said, “Here’s Emma.” I’m not kidding. She floated a couple of inches off the floor. It was almost like Kathryn Khulman in those old videos when she wore a white dress and looked like she was gliding across the platform. Emma appeared beautiful and young-about 22 years old-but she was old at the same time. She seemed to carry the wisdom, virtue and grace of Proverbs 31 on her life.

    She glided into the room, emitting brilliant light and colors. Emma carried these bags and began pulling gold out of them. Then, as she walked up and down the aisles of the church, she began putting gold dust on people. “God, what is happening?” I asked. The Lord answered: “She is releasing the gold, which is both the revelation and the financial breakthrough that I am bringing into this church. I want you to prophecy that Emma showed up in this service-the same angel that appeared in Kansas city-as a sign that I am endorsing and releasing a prophetic spirit in the church.” See, when angels come, they always come for a reason; we need to actually ask God what the purpose is. Within three weeks of that visitation, the church had given me the biggest offering I had ever received to that point in my ministry. Thousands of dollars! Thousands! Even though the entire community consisted of only three thousand people, weeks after I left the church the pastor testified that the church offerings had either doubled or tripled.

    During this visitation the pastor’s wife (it was an AOG church) got totally whacked by the Holy Ghost- she began running around barking like a dog or squawking like a chicken as a powerful prophetic spirit came on her. Also, as this prophetic anointing came on her, she started getting phone numbers of complete strangers and calling them up on the telephone and prophesying over them. She would tell them that God gave her their telephone number and then would give them words of knowledge. Complete strangers. Then angels started showing up in the church.

    I believe Emma released a financial and prophetic anointing in that place. That was the first angel that I have ever seen in the form of a woman. Some angels I’ve seen seemed like they were neither male nor female. However, Emma appeared as a woman who was like a Deborah, like a mother in Zion. When she came, she began to mentor, nurture and opened up a prophetic well. The people in the church began having trances and visions and the pastor began getting words of knowledge and moving in healing. That congregation also saw more financial breakthrough than they had ever seen before.

    Todd Bentley (Further reading: Angelic Hosts )

    Comment by OhhowILOVEJESUS | August 21, 2008

  5. Same old deception as Eden.

    “and you will be like God, knowing good and evil” Gen 3:5 (ANIV)

    It didn’t work for Eve so why does she suppose it will work now?

    Comment by Eve | August 21, 2008

  6. I first heard this “we are little gods” teaching from Kenneth Copeland about 30 years ago. In fact, I think Joyce is using Kenneth’s same examples and reasonings and slant to “prove” that we are little gods.

    Comment by LeeRichards | August 21, 2008

  7. while this “you are gods” things is certainly dangerous (faith movement), I didn’t get the feeling Meyer was trying to push it in the sense : “you’re a god, just say the word and it will happen”. Rather, that she’s trying to make God’s people more aware of their worth in the eyes of God (chosen nation, kingdom of priests, sons and daughters of God). More in the sense of knowing who we are and not making excuses for ourselves.

    Comment by Smabe | August 21, 2008

  8. Smabe,

    You could be correct in your assessment; but, I do find it curious that these guys seem to use the same verses as proof texting.

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | August 21, 2008

  9. Smabe,

    Oh, wait; I just remembered something else in the video that really bugs me. It’s the cat/kitten and dog/pupply analogy. God DOES NOT PROCREATE! That’s a VERY poor analogy and is blasphemy in my mind! We are adopted sons/daughters.

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | August 22, 2008

  10. Greg, great point! “We are ADOPTED sons/daughters.” YES!

    Comment by redeemedhippie | August 22, 2008

  11. Live and let live…Joyce Meyer is really getting on my nerves too…BUT she does great things BUT then again…I think I have to take a pass when she passes the hat…

    I am so glad to be out of being a fire-and-brimstone Xtian…
    I think better and feel better and the Peeps Upstairs can probably vouch for me on that one c”,

    Peace and Good Vibes to all fellow citizens of this planet c”,

    Parting shot: “Hate in your heart will consume you too…”

    Comment by maikeru76 | August 22, 2008

  12. Again, as in Dobson’s ministry, who are we to sentence/judge her? Like Dobson, she is doing fine touching and reaching many for the Lord Jesus. Like Dobson and all of us, she is not perfect. Or she wouldn’t be on earth anymore.

    I hope your ministry is not one to judge fellow-workers of God’ Kingdom. Of course, if certain teaching is really out of context of scriptures and clearly cultic and false, we must expose and truly reject it. May the Lord Himself protect His own against wolves! May the Lord’s Holy Spirit lead and guide you, in your head and in your heart, too. Perhaps, you should sit down with those you think have erred and bring them to the right path and demonstrate the love of God. God bless.

    Comment by anak sarawak | December 27, 2008


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