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Discovering the New Age Movement / New World Order, Part Two

by Craig “Lee” Dorsheimer

 

This is the second part of this series which takes the bulk of its information from a video of the 2006 Radio Liberty Conference in Aptos, California by attorney, author and speaker Constance Cumbey titled “Discovering the New Age Movement.”  You can view the video here.[1]

 

Part One of this series is here http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/discovering-the-new-age-movementnew-world-order-part-one/

 

Connection to Nazism

 

According to Foster Bailey’s book Running God’s Plan,  Cumbey states, “One of the goals of their hierarchy was to have a unified Europe… ‘We tried this before working through a disciple using the Rhine River valley and the inhabitants of that valley as a binding factor.  That attempt was unsuccessful; but, now another attempt is in full swing namely the six nation European Common Market.’”[1]  Quite obviously Bailey, husband to Alice A. Bailey, was referring to Adolph Hitler.  Hitler’s Fascism was an attempt at creating a New World Order.

 

It is well known that Hitler was dabbling in the occult before he came to power.  At the height of his regime many have noted his strange magnetism.  People were drawn to him.  Some have suggested he was under demonic power, even possessed.  Hitler was inspired by the occultic/esoteric writings of Madame Helena Blavatsky, the founder of Theosophy in 1875[2], and kept a copy of her book The Secret Doctrine  at his bedside.[3]  

 

For a pop music connection: Joy Division, a Manchester, England based punk/post-punk band from 1977 to 1980, got their name from a term used in a novel by Karol Cetinskys titled House of Dolls.  According to the novel, Joy Division was the term used for the brothels of WWII era Nazis who used concentration camp victims as prostitutes.  The band name had been changed from their previous moniker of Warsaw.  By 1979, Joy Division had become an underground success.[4]

 

Lead vocalist/lyricist Ian Curtis was a frenetic performer energizing their live shows.[4]  His lyrics were very dark as evidenced in the opening track “Disorder” from their first full length album Unknown Pleasures:

 

            I’ve been waiting for a guide to come and take me by the hand

            Could these sensations make me feel the pleasures of a normal man

            These sensations barely interest me for another day

            I got the spirit, lose the feeling, take the shock away

            …Until the spirit – new sensation – takes hold, then you know

I got the spirit, don’t lose the feeling

I got the spirit, don’t lose the feeling[5] [Emphasis mine]

 

According to Jon Savage, pop music critic, who was in audience at an October 27, 1979 gig:

 

Joy Division walk out and launch into “Dead Souls”. The peculiarity of this song is that it has a long, rolling introduction that allows the group to orient themselves in their environment for the night

 

… building up to the moment when, transported by the music, he [Curtis] launches himself into the void – arms flailing and legs pumping.

 

Then he begins to sing… The lyric to “Dead Souls” is an unsettling evocation of psychic possession and the presence of past lives. The chorus is an anguished chant: “They keep calling me”.[6] [Emphasis mine]

 

Here are some of the lyrics for “Dead Souls” from their posthumously released Still:

           

            Someone take these dreams away

            And point me to another day

            Back to the personalities

            That stretch our true realities

            …they keep calling me

They keep calling me…[7] [Emphasis mine]

 

Bernard Sumner, guitarist for the band: “Ian [Curtis] said to me that doing this album [Closer, their second full length release] felt very strange because he felt that all his words were writing themselves…”[6]  [Emphasis mine]

 

12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms [Ephesians 6:12 NIV]

 

After Curtis’ suicide on the eve of their first North American tour, the remaining members of the band found a replacement for Curtis, renamed themselves New Order – an obvious reference to Nazism if their previous name wasn’t – and became one of the more successful bands of the 1980s releasing the best selling 12” release of all time in “Blue Monday” in 1983.  They continued to record into the 21st century.[8]   There are many other references to occultism, neo-Nazism and the New Age permeating the pop music industry.

 

A New Age Christ

 

Cumbey again, “…Reflections on the Christ  by David Spangler, who you could carry into any Christian service and not attract a lot of attention except they might think you were really pious.  But, inside that book – a chapter titled ‘Lucifer, Christ and God’ – and he [Spangler] said ‘Lucifer came to give us the final gift of wholeness if we accept it we are free and he is free. …the Luciferic initiation is a required entry point into the New Age.’”[1]

 

Not wanting to rely on just one source, Cumbey eventually found the Alice A. Bailey books from Lucis Trust – which originally went by the name ‘Lucifer Publishing’ which they denied for a time although Cumbey now has 3 books in her personal library with this designation.[1]  It is now plainly stated on their website:

 

…However, for a brief time period of two or three years in the early 1920’s, when Alice and Foster Bailey were beginning to publish the books published under her name, they named their fledgling publishing company “Lucifer Publishing Company”. [sic]  By 1925 the name was changed to Lucis Publishing Company and has remained so ever since.[9] [Emphasis mine]

 

Lucis Trust is one of the United Nations’ non-governmental organizations (NGO).  Their “Main Activity” according the Department of Public Information section of the UN is listed as “Humanitarian Affairs.”[10]  One has to wonder why the UN would endorse an openly Luciferic organization.

 

According to Cumbey’s book The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, on April 24, 1982, there appeared a full page advertisement proclaiming “The Christ is Now Here!” in major newspapers across the world.  This ran in more than twenty major cities; and, the advertisement itself listed four different addresses at the bottom as “information centers” in Amsterdam, London, New York City and North Hollywood, California.[11]  Here are some quotes from the ad:

 

            He comes not to judge but to aid and inspire.

 

…At the center of this “Spiritual Hierarchy” stands the World Teacher, LORD MAITREYA, known by Christians as the CHRIST.  And as Christians await the Second Coming, so the Jews await the MESSIAH, the Buddhists the FIFTH BUDDHA, the Moslems the IMAM MAHDI, and the Hindus await KRISHNA.  These are all names for one individual.  His presence in the world guarantees there will be no third World War.[11]  [All quotes and caps in original; underlining and bolding mine][11]

 

After coming across a book by Benjamin Crème titled The Reappearance of the Christshe found a section titled ‘How The Plan is Working Out’ which spoke of the political developments going on at the time.  She knew she had to see him in person.[1]

 

She picked up a flyer sponsored by the local Unity church which detailed a local appearance and she attended along with eight other Christians.  It was standing room only.  Cumbey recognized many prominent people in the audience.  She asked one individual she knew what he was doing there and he replied, “Because, I’m taking A Course in Miracles…” It was a “requirement” in a “spiritual growth” class he was taking.[1]

 

When Crème walked in, he made a ‘wave’ with his hand and the crowd immediately went into a deep trance save for Cumbey and her eight associates.  She made noises in attempts to get the other attendees out of their trance but to no avail.[1]  The whole account is rather unsettling.

 

After taking a break, Crème was to lead the audience into a “mass recitation of ‘The Great Invocation’”[12] which is a prayer by Alice Bailey for “the Antichrist to come and take the world for Lucifer.[1]  From the Lucis Trust site regarding “The Use and Significance of the Great Invocation:”

 

The Great Invocation if given widespread distribution, can be to the new world religion what the Lord’s Prayer has been to Christianity and the 23rd Psalm has been to the spiritually minded Jew.[13 ]

 

Crème declared there would be a ‘transmission’ from Maitreya the Christ as soon as the prayer was finished.  “…His literature said that he had been ‘overshadowed’ by Maitreya the Christ” in previous meetings.  As the people began their prayer, Cumbey instead loudly prayed the first four stanzas of the ‘Lord’s Prayer.’  During the last two lines of their prayer she said instead, “May Jesus Christ return to earth and end the evil present in this room tonight.”[1]

 

Then, according to Cumbey the “spookiest thing of the evening happened” – actually it didn’t happen.  Crème “waited and waited;” but, the ‘overshadowing’ never occurred.  He finally “dismissed the crowd and said, ‘That will be all.’”[1]   The sword of the Spirit – the Word of God [Ephesians 6:17] – prevailed!  You have to admire the courage of Constance Cumbey to take a stand amidst the foes.

 

12 For the Word of God is living and active.  Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.  [Hebrews 4:12 NIV]

 

Commenting to negative remarks after the event, Cumbey said, “Well, if your new Maitreya the Christ, Betray-a the Christ, or whatever his name’s supposed to be, were everything he’s cracked up to be, one lousy Christian in the room reciting the ‘Lord’s Prayer’ shouldn’t have stopped him.”[1]

 

A Syncretism of the New Age and Christendom 

 

Unfortunately, Cumbey met with opposition within the Evangelical community.[1]  I suppose it should not have been a surprise given that she’d seen these New Age infused books at an evangelical bookstore initially.

 

In Cumbey’s second book A Planned Deception,  she recounts, “…One Seattle Evangelical bookstore sells The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow  under the counter in a plain brown paper bag, stapled shut and enclosed with a critical review from Christianity Today.” [14] However, the heretical books of Matthew Fox were taking up an increasing amount of space.[14]

 

As recently as 1999, Christianity Today  has inferred that the NAM was no longer a threat stating “the New Age Movement has been replaced by Neopaganism”[15] – as if Neopaganism wasn’t a part of the movement to begin with!  To continue to deny the existence of the New Age Movement by a major Christian magazine is downright disgraceful to the body of Christ.  All one has to do is look at Oprah’s TV show to find out about the latest New Age guru.  Yet the magazine has no trouble referencing New Ager[16] Ken Blanchard.[17, 18]

 

Going back to Cumbey’s first book, in the chapter titled Deluded… or Deceivers? she writes:

 

“The New Age Movement is pushing for, among other things: global agencies to handle distribution of global resources, redistribution of the world’s wealth, a new world religion, experiential religion (as opposed to religion based on scriptural authority and tradition), a universal tax… …a teaching that all things are part of one whole, an emphasis on universal interdependence

 

“All these concepts are beginning to rear their ugly heads in evangelical Christian books and publications…”[19] [Emphasis mine]

 

Further in this same chapter she speaks of “a trend today toward a social exegesis of the Gospel.”[20]  This has only grown worse in the past 25 years as evidenced by the examples of Rick Warren[21] and Joel Osteen[22] among others.

 

In Year of Jubilee or Age of Aquarius Disguised?  from her A Secret Kingdom? chapter in Cumbey’s second book she relates some research on then associate pastor of a Unity church in Kansas City.  In his “Research Report #2,” Reverend Ernest Ramsey “tells of something he was led to by a spirit guide…”  He was referring to ‘Manifest Sons of God’ teaching of ‘Neo-Pentecostalism.’  “Ramsey concludes based on even less evidence than I have personally collected that this is part of the New Age Movement.”[23]

 

On March 14, 1999, Rich Nathan, Senior Pastor of Columbus Vineyard Church, began delivering a sermon series sounding an alarm regarding the New Age Movement.  He begins by quoting a brief account of Richard Mouw, president of Fuller Theological Seminary, who witnessed a man with the Playboy Bunny emblem on the bumper of his vehicle and the Virgin Mary dangling from his dash thinking that to be quite a dichotomy.[24]  Nathan then launches into the meat of his sermon:

 

Churches that use both Eastern and Western scriptures are growing; one example is the Unity Church. Fifteen years ago, there were 400 Unity Churches, and now there are a thousand catering to people who “don’t feel comfortable using one particular label for a Higher Being.” There is an Episcopalian Church in San Francisco called St. Gregory of Nyssan, where the two senior ministers have created a service that includes the worship of Jesus Christ and the ringing of Buddhist symbols. This church was built to the two ministers specifications four years ago. The Wall Street Journal reports, “St. Gregory’s has an interior decorated to Eastern Orthodox icons, a Shinto shrine and Tibetan gongs. The ministers wear tie-dyed African vestments. The congregation sings the Shema, which is an ancient Jewish prayer. People dance forward to partake of the Eucharist, which is open to believers in every religion, not just Christians. And the Episcopalian priests and the congregations invoke many different deities, not just Jesus, because as the pastor says, “In the end, they are all the same.”

 

The last common denominator that I would say is a mark of much New Age belief and much New Age spirituality is the tendency to create your own biblical interpretation. The bible is viewed by many people today in America as being like a Rorschach Ink Blot test. Many people who are into New Age spirituality will find in the Bible some really unusual and esoteric interpretation of a verse. The perspective is that everyone’s interpretation of the Bible is equally legitimate.[24] [All emphasis mine]

 

While this sort of thing is encouraging, these warnings to the flock are few and far between.  This minor victory, however, was to be short-lived as Nathan would later openly endorse false ecumenism[25] while Mouw’s Fuller Theological Seminary would openly endorse religious pluralism.[26]  This will be covered in part three. 

 

 

[1] <http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8937919448007045479>

 

[2] <http://www.blavatsky.net/>

 

[3] <http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/thenewage.html>

 

[4] Joy Division; biography. All Music Guide < http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:gbfuxql5ldje~T1>

 

[5] Curtis, Ian/Joy Division. “Disorder.” Unknown Pleasures; Factory Records, Manchester, England; FACT 10; 1979.

 

[6] <http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/dark-star-the-final-days-of-ian-curtis-by-his-joy-division-bandmates-394281.html>

 

[7] Curtis, Ian/Joy Division. “Dead Souls.” Still. Factory Records, Manchester, England; FACD 07/08; 1981.

 

[8]  New Order; biography. All Music Guide < http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:0ifqxqr5ld6e~T1>

 

[9] <http://www.lucistrust.org/en/arcane_school/talks_and_articles/the_esoteric_meaning_of_lucifer>

 

[10] <http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/asp/form.asp?RegID=all&CnID=CH&AcID=-1&kw=&NGOID=3902>

 

[11] Cumbey, Constance E. “Preface.” The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow. Huntington House. Shreveport, LA. 1983, revised

edition. pp 13-15

 

[12] < http://www.uriel.org/Invocation/index.htm>

 

[13] <http://www.lucistrust.org/en/service_activities/the_great_invocation__1/the_use_and_significance_of_the_great_invocation>

 

[14]  Cumbey, Constance E. “The Incredible Heresies of Matthew Fox.” A Planned Deception: the Staging of a New Age “Messiah.” Pointe Publishers, Inc, East Detroit, MI. 1985. p 131

 

[15] <http://www.christianresearchservice.com/KenBlanchard7.htm>

 

[16] <http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/1999/decemberweb-only/22.0a.html>

 

[17] <http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/february/27.24.html>

 

[18] http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/mayweb-only/24.0c.html

 

[19] Ibid. Cumbey “Deluded… or Deceivers?” The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow.  p 145

 

[20] Ibid. Cumbey p. 156

 

[21] <http://herescope.blogspot.com/2006/12/cfr-and-social-gospel-part-1.html>

 

[22] Van Biema, David & Jeff Chu. “Does God Want You to be Rich?” Time. 09/10/2006  <http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1533448,00.html>

 

[23] Ibid. Cumbey. “Year of Jubilee? or Age of Aquarius?” A Planned Deception. pp 171-172

 

[24] Nathan, Rich. “Christ Confronts the New Age” sermon.  March 14, 1999.  Online version Copyright 2008. <http://www.vineyardcolumbus.org/resources/sermons/sermon_detail.asp?id=309>

 

[25] <http://www.acommonword.com/lib/downloads/fullpageadbold18..pdf>

 

[26] <http://www.fullerseminary.net/news/html/religiousplurality.asp>   

 

Part 3 here: http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/discovering-the-new-age-movement-new-world-order-part-three/

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  1. Well last year I had put together a timeline for myself on things that I thought were interesting. When I saw the name Benjamin Crème I went back to the list I compiled and saw that he was indeed on it. So here is the list, hope it isn’t too long. It doesn’t start out with Creme, but all these people link together in the end.

    1964-Wayne Peterson joins the Peace Corp. after being recriuted by David Rockefeller of the Chase Manhattan Bank where he serves till 1966.

    1965-Helen Schucman a Columbia University Professer of Medical Psychology hears from an inner voice named Jesus who has her write a course, A Course in Miracles.

    1966-Wayne Peterson is accepted into the U.S. Foreign Service where he serves for the next 13 years.

    1966-Barbara Marx Hubbard said an inner voice showed her the future of the earth in an intence vision where earth was bathed in light and united by love, and where wide spread healings took place because of our inner light.

    1968-On July 4th Sai Baba gave a declaration, stating his purpose for incarnating at this time.

    “I have come to light the Lamp of Love in your hearts, to see that it shines day by day with added luster. I have not come in behalf of any exclusive religion. I have not come on a mission of publicity for a sect or creed or cause, nor have I come to collect followers for a doctrine. I have no plan to attract disciples of devotees into my fold or any fold. I have come to tell you of this unitary faith, this spiritual principle, this path of love, this duty of love, this obligation of love”.

    1977-Barbara Marx Hubbard heard the inner voice again as it told her to be fully devoted to its plan and promising her contact with great forces waiting in the wings.

    1979-Psychiatrist Gerald Jampolsky writes Love is Letting Go of Fear-which introduces Course in Miracles to the self help market.

    1979-Wayne Peterson becomes director of the Fulbright Scholarship program, which is administered through U.S. embassies overseas

    1979-Dec 25th-Barbara Marx Hubbard has revelation that inner voice is “Christ”. Hubbard is a co-founding board member of the World Future Society. Her last three books have been funded by her “benefactor” Laurance S. Rockefeller through his Fund for the Enhancement of the Human Spirit.

    1980-Benjamin Creme writes Reappearance of the Christ and the Masters of Wisdom.

    1982-Wayne Peterson was in Washington and heard a man speaking on the ‘Merv Griffin Show’ with Gore Vidal. Peterson said it was author Benjamin Creme, describing brilliant scientific and technological advancements soon to be released, such as the discovery of cold fusion. He talked of profound economic and political changes as well, stating that a group of very advanced men, perfected men, were guiding these changes and helping humanity at this critical time from behind the scenes. It was not long afterwards that Peterson was contacted by a representative of this group, in a most unusual manner, and offered the chance to meet their leader Maitreya, the World Teacher, for one hour.

    Peterson was able to discuss Maitreya and his ideas with personal friends of the Pope, businessmen close to the U.S. president, foreign government leaders, and a number of influential people both in the U.S. and overseas. Many of them have had special experiences similar to his meeting with Maitreya.

    1986-New Age Church of Religious Science minister Terry Cole-Wittaker writes The Inner Path From Where You Are To Where You Want To Be, she acknowledge Neale Donald Walsch the then differently middle named Neale Marshall-Walsch for helping to “produce” her New Age book.

    1990-Wayne Peterson has a breakthrough as he claims to haved lived before as Francesco Foscari, a politician and leader of the Venetian Republic, who lived from 1373-1457.

    1992-Marianne Williamson writes A Return to Love:Reflections on the Principles of A Course in Miracles and is featured on the Oprah Winfrey Show where she of course recieves praise.

    1993-Barbara Marx Hubbard re writes the book of Revelation with Revelation:A Message of Hope for the New Millenium. In it Hubbards “Christ” teaches that there is an alternative to Armageddon. It is of note that this same message is taught in Marianne Williamsons A Return to Love.

    1993-Eugene Peterson translates the New Testament into The Message where Peterson continually drops the word “Lord” from Jesus’ title, choosing instead to refer to Him as “Master Jesus”. Unfortunately, many popular church leaders—like Rick Warren—choose to use this newer translation and play into the hands of the “new gospel” by presenting Jesus not as Lord of all, but one among many masters soon to reveal themselves.

    1994-Wayne Peterson has a close friend who visits Sai Baba, a “spiritual avatar incarnate” in India. She returns with a photo of Sai Baba that had been blessed for Peterson.

    1995-Neale Donald Walsch writes Conversations with God. In it “God” tells Neale such things as Jesus wasn’t perfect, there are no such things as the Ten Commandments and that Hitler went to heaven. “God” also says He gave Hubbard the title to her new book and inspired A Course in Miracles. Message in a nutshell is that Man is God and there is no such thing as Sin.

    2000- Marianne Williamson writes Healing the Soul of America: Reclaiming Our Voices as Spiritual Citizens making a subtle transition and bringing the Course in Miracles into the political arena.

    The Course in Miracles has been featured on Wayne Dyers new age PBS specials and New Age leader and A Course in Miracles advocate Gerald Jampolsky was Robert Schuller’s featured guest on his Oct. 17th 2004 Hour of Power television program.(Jampolsky and Schuller were friends and had held work shops together 25 years earlier in Hawaii)

    Just six months after Jampolsky’s appearance on the Hour of Power, Christian leader Bruce Wilkinson stood in Schuller’s pulpit enthusiastically endorsing Schuller and his ministry. Wilkinson described Schuller as a “visionary” and a “real leader,” and the “grandfather” of today’s church growth movement—the man who trained pastors like Rick Warren and Bill Hybels.

    Wilkinson’s flattering remarks prompted the congregation to give Schuller a standing ovation. Instead of warning the church about Schuller, Wilkinson praised him. Then he actually warned the church to watch out for those who would criticize Schuller. Thus, Schuller’s almost “in your face” joint appearance with Jampolsky had passed an important New Age litmus test. No one in the church—most especially church leaders—seemed to care.

    2000?-Hoping to inspire a “new gospel” approach to national and world problems Williamson along with best selling Conversations with God author Neale Donald Walsch co-founded the Global Renaaissance Alliance.

    2001-On the November 9th show of Bridging Heaven and Earth Wayne Peterson mentions that South African political leader Nelson Mandela is actively working with Maitreya. Of note is that the Santa Barbara television program is overseen by a board of directors that includes Barbara Marx Hubbard.

    2003- Wayne Peterson writes Extraordinary Times, Extraordinary Beings: Experiences of an American Diplomat With Maitreya and the Masters of Wisdom. In it he tells of how Mikhail Gorbachev and his wife had become “christians” while Mr. Gorbachev was in office, and that a Pentagon official had told him that the Gorbachevs were involved with Maitreya and that Mrs. Gorbachev had visited India several times to see the avatar Sai Baba.

    2005-On the fourth anniversary of September 11th, Hubbard was presented with a prestigious “Peace Builders Award” in Washington, D.C. Featured speakers at the conference included Marianne Williamson, former news anchor Walter Cronkite and Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich. Hubbard’s acceptance speech was entitled “Peace Through Co-Creation.” This woman, who described death by the “selection process,” was now being hailed as a Peace Builder in our nation’s capital. The prophet Isaiah(5:20) warned that the day would come when evil was called good and good evil.

    Comment by Jeremy Huser | August 31, 2008

  2. Thanks for this.

    Has anyone been able to link any of these people to C Peter Wagner?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 31, 2008

  3. Another interesting link I found

    http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~emcd/index32.pdf

    Comment by Jeremy Huser | August 31, 2008

  4. Jeremy,

    Thanks for the timeline! Very interesting indeed! I’m going to print it out.

    Neale Marshall-Walsch

    I just googled and see this is another name for Neale Donald-Walsch.

    Not to be too much of a stickler but Eugene Peterson’s The Message is a ‘paraphrase’ and not a translation. Here’s some interesting info:

    http://www.crossroad.to/Bible_studies/Message.html

    Look at his use of the occult phrase “as above, so below” in the Lord’s Prayer!

    Some of the folks you list above will be in Part Three of this series.

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | August 31, 2008

  5. Has anyone been able to link any of these people to C Peter Wagner?

    Not yet; but, I’m trying.

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | August 31, 2008

  6. Jeremy,

    re: post #3. Yes, I’ve seen that and this part of this whole mess also. I’ve not yet untangled/verified (although I don’t doubt) all of the connections.

    I took the Alpha Course last year with the express purpose of critiquing it. The virgin birth is never mentioned which I found interesting. There are other sites who do a good job of critiquing the course; but, I don’t have the link handy.

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | August 31, 2008

  7. I am SURE he is in there somewhere. Also with Rev Moon.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 31, 2008

  8. The fourth part of this series will feature Rev Moon.

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | August 31, 2008

  9. Of course Wagner does have ties with the freemasons and the Knights of Malta through Rick Joyner, Paul Cain, Mahesh Chavda, Bobby Conner et al….and they get interconnected there with this bunch.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 31, 2008

  10. Forgive me for being so slow. I’m not the brightest crayon in the box. I’m not sure what to look for. But does this link help? I did a search on “C Peter Wagner Gerald Jampolsky” and got this.

    http://herescope.blogspot.com/2007/10/rethinking-culture.html

    Comment by redeemedhippie | August 31, 2008

  11. You are not slow Redeemed or not bright….

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 31, 2008

  12. Of course -

    C. Peter Wagner, one of key interfaith Rick Warren’s mentors

    Also connected to new age Robert Schuller

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 31, 2008

  13. RH,

    Yes, that’s a good link. The 7 mountains are a part of Wagner’s Dominionism / Great Transfer of Wealth. The GTOW is purportedly to take $$$ from the ‘ungodly.’

    Wagner is from Fuller Theological Seminary and graduates include Robert Schuller, Rick Warren, Bill Hybels (Willow Creek), and local (San Antonio, TX) Rick Godwin.

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | August 31, 2008

  14. Hey Craig,

    I had read the study you link to in post # 4 before and yeah the “as above, so below” in the Lord’s prayer creeped me out for sure. I think Eugene Peterson’s The Message has a connection to Maitreya and the Masters of Wisdom stuff. Kinda conditioning for the appearence of the Master or something.

    Comment by Jeremy Huser | August 31, 2008

  15. Here is something i just remembered while trying to search for Rev. Moon. A few years ago a friend of mine had a pastor here named Danny Johnson. I knew this man from years ago and knew he was a false teacher the moment I met him back in the mid to late 80s. I was doing a search on Moon being here in Louisville because the Unification church is a big advocate and I wanted to see what was going on. By doing the search I found that this Danny Johnson AND lots of other pastors had some kind of coranation ceremony or something with Moon. There were pictures with all of them dressed up in white. Rev. Moon gave them all very expspensive watches. I was shocked when i saw this man with moon. I knew he was a false teacher but I never would have guessed he would have compromised like this. Moon was “blessing” all the marriages or something among the pastors. So YES, I bet Moon has a part in this big time! Does this help?!

    Comment by redeemedhippie | August 31, 2008

  16. >> take $$$ from the ‘ungodly.’

    Sounds just like the Nazis with the Jews. Are they into art theft too?

    That ‘ungodly’ means us by the way. (No man could buy or sell lest he take the mark of the beast…)

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 31, 2008

  17. Oh and funny we are discussing Creme. I felt led last night to start tracking him again. The man is evil big time!

    Comment by redeemedhippie | August 31, 2008

  18. I know Moon has lots of front organisations and also has connections with Left Behind Tim LeHaye.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 31, 2008

  19. Craig, do you have anything on the Aspen Institute?

    Comment by Jeremy Huser | August 31, 2008

  20. I didn’t know about the LaHaye/Moon connection. Now, wait, I think Cumbey may have mentioned that.

    RH,

    Every little bit helps! Moon is connected to the United Nations and the White House — well, at least Bush, Sr.

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | August 31, 2008

  21. I remember reading that Cumbey mentions him – Paul/David Yong Y Cho is also apparently linked but I am not sure how beyond the Korea connection.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 31, 2008

  22. Jeremy,

    I’ve not come across the Aspen Institute; but, it appears the state of Colorado is a hotbed for this stuff for some reason.

    Really, I don’t know very much at all. I have a LOT to learn. My initial intent on putting out these articles is to give people more of a macro rather than micro view of things. Many are quick to point out doctrinal errors of ‘Christian leaders’ — and rightly so — but, these guys are obviously no dummies and it appears there’s a different agenda. New Age ideals have successfully integrated the Church. The best way to attack an enemy is from within…

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | August 31, 2008

  23. >> The state of Colorado is a hotbed for this stuff

    That’s where Wagner is and YWAM and key military. It must be a portal.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | August 31, 2008

  24. I wish they all would get in the “portal” and disappear into some twilight zone.

    Comment by redeemedhippie | August 31, 2008

  25. It seems Wagner gets his studente to do the running around so he can’t be connected directly with the new-agers!

    The Phenomena of Rick Warren: Rick Warren has single-handedly accomplished the convergence between the movements of Transformational teachings. Warren received his doctorate from Fuller Seminary and wrote his thesis under the tutelage of his advisor C. Peter Wagner referred to above. He is embarking on an aggressive marketing campaign to “transform” Rwanda under the banner of missionary endeavor. Warren has launched his plan to “transform” Africa – to cure Aids, end poverty and “fulfill the Great commission. Warren transcends evangelicalism. He easily moves in internationalist circles (Aspen Institute, see below) and aligns himself with rock stars (Bono). Warren calls his P.E.A.C.E. plan a Second Reformation. Warren intends to amass the worlds largest volunteer army of “one billion foot soldiers, to implement his “Transformation Plan.”

    There is a notable increase in the urgency of “strategic level” prayer warfare which is linked to global “transformation” (Dominionism). Prophets regularly pump out new “prophecies” and “decrees” to shore up the kingdom mandate. These prophecies function like oracles communicating God’s plan for the next step of transformational kingdom building. Restored apostles are being appointed for regions around the world and charged with wielding the king’s authority. The organizations promoting this can be found on the web at the Elijah List and they all have interlocking boards of directors.

    George Otis of the Sentinel Group suggests that by taking dominion of the earth (he calls it “transformation”); paradise can be restored (as in Genesis 1 before the fall). Since 9/11, patriotic fervor has combined with neoconservative goals. There is a disturbing rise of actual military activity for “kingdom building” purposes. Bill Gothard has set up paramilitary training camps for evangelical children. Christian Right leader Michael Farris, connected with COR is recruiting homeschoolers for CIA type training at his Patrick Henry College.

    By Orrel Steinkamp found at Moriel Ministries

    the above paragraphs are part of this article

    http://www.moriel.org/articles/sermons/transformation_thinking_for_dummies.htm

    Orrel Steinkamp recommends this link for good reading as well:
    http://www.discernment-ministries.org/ChristianImperialism.htm

    Rick Warren Teams Up With New-Age Guru Ken Blanchard!
    http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/PressReleasekenblanchard.htm

    Rick Warren and the Aspen Institute

    The Aspen Institute is a globalist, new thought think tank that is “dedicated to fostering enlightened leadership and open-minded dialogue” and seeks common ground between all peoples.”(See more)

    On July 5th – 10th this year(2005?), the Institute will hold the Aspen’s Ideas Festival. Speakers include New Agers, contemplatives,Buddhists,, homosexuals and well-knowns such as Jane Goodall and Colin Powell and Arthur Schleissinger. Joining this open dialogue of ideas is Rick Warren.

    Rick Warren will be speaking and sharing the platform one morning with another speaker–Rev. Peter Gomes. the two men will be talking about the American Experience: The Problem of Evil.

    Peter Gomes is the out-of-the-closet homosexual minister for Memorial Church at Harvard University. Gomes endorses Alan Jones book, Reimagining Christianity as does Brian McLaren. part of this link: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/newsletterjuly.htm#article9

    Comment by Jeremy Huser | September 1, 2008

  26. I caught part of the news today where the actor Jude Law and another guy were talking about UN Global Peace Day on Sept 21st (the same day Rick Joyner is pushing, and a Wiccan festival). They used words like ‘transformation’ and ‘transition’ and the world ‘uniting’ and all the same kind of words Wagner and New Ager’s uses!

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | September 1, 2008

  27. They will redeemedhippie (#24)they certainly will, according to God’s timetable though! If it wasn’t so diabolically serious with eternal consequences the whole phenomena unfolding before us is an extraordinary story. My brother who had a wonderful salvation and baptism experience in his youth has now ‘fallen off the deep end’ with that dreadful Neale Donald Walsch book. He asked me to read it, which I’m struggling to, so that we may have conversation and that I may understand what my bro is getting himself into. I could swear Satan was laughing at me as I read the pages. It’s shaken my family that our brother could get so besotted over this. We really don’t want our precious brother disappearing into a lost eternity.

    Comment by shoshana | September 1, 2008

  28. Shoshana – can you summarise the book and why it is so bad?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | September 1, 2008

  29. The book is titled. Conversations with God – an uncommon dialogue. Neale Walsch was particularly disgruntled about his life and wrote a long letter to God. He was about to throw it to the bin when he has ‘this urge’ to write. A being which called itself God has this conversation with Neale via writing. Things like ‘we are all led to the truth for which we are ready’. This god said, ‘my most common form of communication is through feeling. If you want to know what’s true for you about something, look to how you’re feeling about it. Hidden in your deepest feeling is your highest truth’. Get a load of this: ‘finally, when feelings and thoughts and experience all fail, I use words. Words are really the least effective communicator. They are most open to misinterpretation, most often misunderstood!’ ‘Words are merely utterances…noises that stand for feelings, thoughts and experiences….They are not Truth. They are not the real thing. Now the supreme irony here is that you have all placed so much importance on the Word of God and so little on the experience.’

    Can anyone reading this, hear Satan say, ‘Hath God said’??Jesus’ one and only come back to the devil, IT IS WRITTEN…. My feelings dragged me to the miry clay, it was, is and always WILL BE the WORD of GOD THAT causes me to have the victory, as I am sure it is with you all.

    This god goes on to say, ‘mine is always your Highest Thought, your Clearst Word, your Grandest Feeling. Anything less is from another source.’ My Question: so a person convicted and guilt ridden with sin, can discard it, for it is not from God as it isn’t a ‘grand feeling’.

    There is a series of three books, 1st is about the individual self, 2nd is global topics and challenges facing the world, 3rd, universal truths of the highest order, challenges, opportunities of the soul. We can all see where this fits in to the NWO.

    So it is a continuation, repackage of the whole new age religion. We are all bits of God, his spiritual children. Our body, mind and soul (spirit) are one – a microcosm of Me–the Divine All, the Holy Everything, the Sum and Substance. You see now how I am the beginning and the end of everything, the Alpha and the Omega. Now I will explain to you the ultimate mystery: your exact and true relationsip to Me. YOU ARE MY BODY. Everything I experience, I experience through you…..So it is that Jesus of Nazareth, among the many who understood this mystery, spoke immutable truth when he said, “I and the Father are One”. (page 197) Also he states that many lifetimes will give us the opportunity to perfect ourselves. There is no hell, no right or wrong, no evil. Just better choices.

    Miriam, I’m not very good at sumarising, hence a few quoted passages. I’m sure you get the gist of it, however. It’s all new-age propaganda as I have since discovered. Hope this helps somewhat.

    Comment by shoshana | September 1, 2008

  30. Thank you, that is very helpful and also a good explanation.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | September 1, 2008

  31. By the way, do you guys know that UK evangelical leader Steve Chalke penned a book by ‘automatic writing’ while under a Toronto Blessing type spirit? He has gotten flakier and flakier. He used to be pretty good.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | September 1, 2008

  32. Jeremy,

    Thanks for post #25. Some of this I knew and some I didn’t.

    And, yes “transformation” and also “breakthrough” is not only New Age but blatantly occultic.

    Remember The Doors (Jim Morrison) song “Break On Through (To The Other Side)” from 1967 [The Summer of Love which coincided with the Age of Aquarius]:

    ‘Ya know the day divides the night, night divides the day
    try to run, try to hide; break on through to the other side’

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | September 1, 2008

  33. Shoshana, is this not the very same book the James Dobson is said to endorse? Like I would ever trust his discernment or endorsement at all.

    “when he has ‘this urge’ to write.” This is automatic writing. Something occultic.

    You are sooooo right in discerning this book as wrong. Thank you for bringing it out. Maybe someone will see it here and stop believeing the lies from it.

    Comment by redeemedhippie | September 1, 2008

  34. RH,

    Apparently Dobson did not endorse the book but instead told parents to ‘beware:’

    http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/5468.htm

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | September 1, 2008

  35. I actually started reading the book Conversations with God a couple years ago.

    The first couple of pages seemed wishful thinking and then the spirit pretending to be God said we were all gods in the making (paraphrasing) and I threw the book down. I actually set the book outside the door to my house to take it directly back to the library in the morning. I didn’t want any part of that evil around me, my child or in my house.

    I had such unsettling in my spirit while reading that book it was like trying to ride and calm down a bucking bronco. I couldn’t finish it.

    I commend you Shoshana for actually being able to keep your stomache while reading it, just so you can understand your brother’s deception and build a case against that horrible deception that will hopefully open his eyes and heart to the truth.

    Yes, it is an ugly deceptive book, built to cater to human weakness…our need to not feel guilty about our actions, sear our conscience, cater to our desires and call evil good and good evil.

    Comment by servant | September 1, 2008

  36. Servant,

    I know what you mean. I’m currently reading a book by theosophist/esotericist Alice A. Bailey titled From Bethlehem to Calvary which symbolizes the life of Jesus Christ; and, I must be careful when I read it. It equates Jesus’ Birth, Baptism, Transfiguration, Crucifixion and Resurrection/Ascension as ‘initiations’ we can attain. I’m doing research pursuant to this series and future articles; and, I see ties to Latter Rain teachings. Here’s a quote:

    When the Church lays its emphasis on the living Christ… Its form must be sacrificed upon the Cross of Christ in order that it may be resurrected into true and vital life for the meeting of the people’s need. Let a living Christ be its theme, and not a dying Saviour. [The Fourth Initiation p188]

    “…The sons of God are ready to be manifested. Today as never before…

    “Towards this glorification of God we are all moving. Some of the sons of men have already achieved, through the realization of their divinity.” [The Fourth Initiation p 189]

    Sound familiar?

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | September 1, 2008

  37. Craig, Here is something you could research. I have heard of a movement called TheoPhostics that some churches have been teaching. It sounds waaaaaay out in left field, but I don’t know for sure about it? Have you ever heard of it???

    Comment by OhhowILOVEJESUS | September 1, 2008

  38. OhILJ,

    I’ve not heard of ‘em till now. Oooh boy…

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | September 1, 2008

  39. Well, I think it’s time to take a break from the computer screen since judging by my ‘photo’ I look green and my eyes are popping out of my head. ;-)

    Where did wordpress get the little monster avatars [I don't really like that term; but, I don't know if they have another name]?

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | September 1, 2008

  40. It just sounds so “New Agie” to me. The only thing I think I know is, theo is supposd to mean God and phostics light????

    Comment by OhhowILOVEJESUS | September 1, 2008

  41. Craig,

    I was thinking about mentioning to you Peterson’s “The Message” but others beat me to it. If I can find it again, I will send you the link for an article I read earlier that referenced a lot of other occultic terminology in that book.

    Comment by cheryl U. | September 1, 2008

  42. cheryl U.,

    Please do send the link on ‘The Message’ as I had an argument in a recent small group over the use of it.

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | September 1, 2008

  43. OhILJ,

    Yes, you are correct on the definition of Theophosy being God + light. You may know this: Lucifer is from the Latin — Lucis = light and ferre = to bring; so, Lucifer means ‘bringer of light’ which I define in part one of this series.

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | September 1, 2008

  44. Craig,

    Please see my note on Kim’s site re: the link I mentioned above. Thanks

    Comment by cheryl U. | September 1, 2008

  45. Craig, if you are correct, thank you for setting me straight. :)

    Comment by redeemedhippie | September 2, 2008

  46. Shoshana (#29) and Servant (#35),

    An excellent book regarding Neale Donald Walsch, his teachings, and his agenda is “Deceived on Purpose” by Warren Smith. Walsch is a prominent leader in the New Age movement. Smith’s book is actually an expose on Rick Warren and the New Age leanings of his Purpose Driven Life movement. Among the many things shown in this book is that Rick Warren’s P.E.A.C.E. plan is remarkably similar to Neale Donald Walsch’s P.E.A.C.E. plan.

    Incidentally, Warren Smith’s book also shows that “The Message” (by Eugene Peterson) is very New Age-friendly. Craig (#42), this might be a good reference tool for you to use in discussion with your small group. Smith himself came out of the New Age movement, and spends much of his time showing how deeply the New Age movement has already infiltrated the Church.

    Another good book showing the same thing is “A Time of Departing” by Ray Yungen. His main targets are the Contemplative Prayer movement and “Christian” mysticism (He doesn’t cover John Crowder and his demonized sidekicks, though).

    Comment by Adam | September 2, 2008

  47. ETPW, here is some info that might be helpful in connecting Wagner to a whole bunch of BAD PEOPLE!!! Google, C. Peter Wagner and the Global thirst for power. There is an article by Cephas Ministries under that heading. GOD BLESS!!

    Comment by Vince | September 2, 2008

  48. http://www.cephasministry.com/apostles_wagner_australia.html

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | September 2, 2008

  49. Adam,

    Yes, I need to buy both of those books. OTOH, I do like to research independently as I find it’s through firsthand research that I tend to retain the info better.

    The reason Yungen does it cover Crowder, Dunn et al is because these guys weren’t know at the time of the book’s writing.

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | September 2, 2008

  50. Craig and Adam,
    Yes, sounds very familiar. The tricky thing about reading and learning about the enemy is all the questions that arise in your head that you have to fight off with scripture.

    I remember thinking “Who am I to think I have all the right answers, what if this stuff is true?”

    I don’t like to think I’m above learning, so I struggle with some things, praying for God to correct me and show me the truth. What was truly emotional for me about that book Conversations with God was that the overall sell was that ‘we were god’, and it really eliminated our God from the picture, so it wouldn’t make sense that this guy Neale was talking to god, but more so talking to himself if you tied up all the ends.

    The story is quite an ear tickler for people that don’t want to be accountable for anything. My question is, if we’re little god’s how come we can’t make ourselves rich and happy and never have to deal with any problems. I love how new age teachings make attaining godhood like a video game where you have to do all these little errands and tasks just to make it to the next level…and then you get your god cookie. It really caters to our huge egos.

    I read The Purpose Driven Life and can’t remember much about it (yeah, it was that life changing, HA!). It was regular self help stuff with scripture. I do remember the P.E.A.C.E Plan stuff mentioned at the end and thought “Are you kidding me…this guy is pushing the ‘world peace’ agenda and he’s a Christian knowing full well that isn’t ever going to happen.” I didn’t think much of it except for Warren maybe trying to get all the kids to play nice on the playground, until the mess hits the fan. I now know from reading up on the NAR, false prophets, false teachers, and such that he truly is not being passive but has anti-christ agenda veiled with nicey-nicey.

    Good luck on your studies Craig and I pray that God will pop out every little deceptive detail to you for you to write on for our benefit. Thank you.

    Comment by servant | September 2, 2008

  51. Servant,

    Thanks for the encouragement! When someone is seduced by the ’self is God’ thing I want to ask them, “Can you create from nothing?”

    Regarding Warren’s P.E.A.C.E. plan: with two ‘E’s in this acronym where’s ‘evangelism?’ Also, interesting is he recently changed the ‘P’ to ‘promote reconciliation’ from the previous ‘plant churches.’ That’s telling in and of itself.

    Comment by Craig Dorsheimer [formerly Lee] | September 2, 2008


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