Thanks to ‘IWantTheTruth’ for directing me to this statement from Dutch Sheets on the recent US elections. It is characteristically full of ignorance, false dominionist theology, false prophecy and a lack of discernment. The bold emphasises are mine.
“November 6, 2008
I feel certain that many in my stream of the Church want a statement from me concerning Tuesday’s presidential election. I will be frank in my remarks but I do not, however, intend to vent anger or attack anyone. I have read several statements from friends and colleagues I respect very much. Their thoughts are well stated and, for the most part, insightful. None of them, however, seem to want to say some things that I believe need to be said. I do not claim infallibility or to have the final word, but my convictions run deep and I believe I bear a God-given responsibility to share them.
Was This God’s Will?
Was what happened Tuesday God’s will? I am quite confident it was not. America was offered a very clear choice between moving further toward protecting the unborn or further away; between a Supreme Court that would move toward honoring God, life and morality or away from it. The stakes couldn’t have been higher nor the cost greater. As a nation we put on blinders concerning Barak Obama’s background, associations, beliefs and practices, and set these causes back years, possibly decades. And in doing so we took another step away from God and His plans for America, and another step toward judgment.
Judgment Will Increase
This is not a fire and brimstone warning from an angry, legalistic preacher. In fact, I feel more sadness and grief than anything else.
Perhaps I feel what Jesus felt as He wept for Jerusalem while announcing its judgment. I am not hoping for judgment; I am saying it is inevitable. I don’t know where the unbiblical belief comes from that says a nation can live any way it pleases, can reject God and His ways-even mock Him-and not receive His judgments. Nor do I know when the belief came that it is always mean-spirited or judgmental to warn of these things. To the contrary, I believe it is our responsibility.
In warning of judgment, I am not suggesting that God is going to intentionally and directly hurt people. Much judgment is simply the absence of God’s protection and provision, caused by a rejection of His laws and ways. We have been experiencing some forms of judgment in America for years, but God in His incredible patience and mercy has kept us from the level we’ve deserved. I believe this will change to a degree and judgment will now increase:
• For those in the Church who aligned themselves with pro-abortion forces, I believe judgment will result.
• For leaders in the Body of Christ who refused to take a stand for fear of losing people, money, and tax-exempt status – I believe there will be a degree of judgment.
• For those, both within the Church and without, who voted money over morality-a potential raise or better health insurance over the life of a baby – there will be judgment. (The irony is that this decision to base one’s vote on the hopes of a better economy won’t produce the hoped for result anyway. The scriptures teach that it is righteousness which exalts a nation and that the nation is blessed whose God is the Lord.)
[Endtimes note, is Dutch Sheets having the audacity here to claim that America has been 'blessed' financially [by unrighteous practices and false promises and towers made out of straw] during the George W Bush years, and before then under other presidents, as it was then righteous and has made God its Lord?!
Do I think judgement is coming to America? Yes it is! But it will not be for the most part because Barack Obama is president, whatever his politics and however good or bad they are, it will be because of the judgment it has heaped on itself over many years while pretending to be a Christian nation – under other presidents such as Dubya!]
I have heard the argument that God cares as much about social justice issues (such as poverty and racism) as He does abortion, making a vote for Obama OK. I certainly believe God puts a very high priority on caring for the poor and I, too, have wanted to see equality demonstrated through a “minority” president. But to equate having a better income or the desire for a first black president, regardless of his positions on abortion and morality, to the issue of killing 50 million babies is not justice – it is a gross distortion of justice and great deception. I fear that we have been desensitized to this issue of abortion. I believe it kills babies and takes innocent life. I also believe it is blood sacrifice that empowers demons. Let’s not forget this in our noble attempts to be kind and conciliatory.
For African Americans I can easily see how it could bring healing to have a first black president, just as it would be for Native Americans to achieve this or for women if a woman were elected president. Again, I have wanted to see justice in this way. I am only saddened that the price for this healing ended up being Barak Obama, a man that will set the cause of life and, most-likely, our God-given destiny as a nation back so drastically. (I also realize there are some who interpret any criticism of Obama as racism. Racism is so NOT what I am about nor what I live, that I will not even dignify any such accusations with a response.)
What Can We Expect?
What are some of the judgments we can expect on our nation from this election?
- More economic woes
- More violence in an already violent nation
- Disease and death (Satan, who is responsible for these things will have greater inroads to our nation.)
- Natural disasters (weather-tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, drought; fires; earthquakes; etc.)
- Terrorism (they will fear us much less now)
- War, perhaps on our own soil
- Judgments relating to the Court. The stacking of the Supreme Court against the sanctity
of life and God’s influence on America will occur, which will in turn cause the shedding
of more innocent blood, more rejection of God’s laws and the stealing from us of our
godly heritage-all of which will perpetuate a cycle of even more judgment.
How Did This Happen?
I’ve been asked if this could have been averted had there been more prayer. I’m not sure. I believe there was a remnant of Christians fervently praying over these elections – I don’t think there was anything more they could have done. Others, obviously, should have done more. The complacency and lack of discernment concerning our real condition in America – especially by the Church – is both appalling and horrifying. America is in serious trouble and it seems no one wants to say it. Fewer still are willing to do anything to change it.
Though I understand our reasons, we must be careful in our attempts to placate our feelings and calm our fears through religious phrases like “God is still on the throne” or “God has a plan”. He was on His throne 35 years and 50 million babies ago. And He had a plan back then. The problem is, it was us. I understand our reasons for waving high the banner of God’s sovereignty at times like these-it gives us hope. I will wave it, as well.
But please be careful with this. Too much emphasis on God’s sovereignty and we’re worthless; too little and we’re hopeless. Maybe we should say, “we lost a critical battle but God will give us strategy to win the war.” Then find the strategy.
But still yet, since God is usually willing to work through a remnant, I thought we had enough prayer. Obviously, God decided otherwise. There comes a time when He will not forgive or bless the majority based on the prayers or actions of only a few. America rejected God and asked for a king; I believe we now have our Saul (see 1 Samuel 8:5-7) – a man who does not have God’s heart for America but his own. Like Israel in scripture, our nation believes it can turn from God and still be blessed. In His mercy and justice He will show us otherwise.
Like many, believing I had many promises and confirmations that God would “grace” us with a pro-life president in this election, I failed to consider strongly enough that all promises-even scripture-are conditional 99.9% of the time. Though I never prophesied or made guarantees that McCain-Palin would win, failing to factor this principle in strongly enough no doubt caused me to share my optimism with others inappropriately. If this caused any harm or confusion, I apologize.
Has the fact that my prayers weren’t answered shaken my faith? No. I’m a little confused and discouraged. I’m also somewhat angry at the nation in general and much of the Church. Mostly I’m grieving over the nation and what this will cost us. I am not, however, angry with God and do not question His justice. And it is not true that we wasted our time, energy and money in our efforts anymore than it is a waste when we share the gospel with people who don’t get saved. We must keep in the forefront of our thinking the fact that ultimately we are doing this for Him and that He will reward us for our faithfulness. And who knows, perhaps He will store up all those prayers for the next battle (Revelation 5:8, 8:3-5).
A friend and fellow warrior said it well, “We did ‘give it our all.’ I know the Lord was pleased with that. A coach wants to know one thing at the end of a heartbreaking sports loss: ‘Did you leave it all on the field?’ (your passion, your commitment, your strength, your courage, etc.) I know that we ‘left it all on the field.’ We didn’t hold anything back until the game ended. Tragically, it ended in defeat. We will rise for another day because Jesus is worthy.”
Where Do We Go from Here?
Does this election outcome shake my faith that we can see a great awakening and ultimately reformation in America? Absolutely not (and it strengthens my resolve). We will simply get there through greater pain and loss. Even my passion to see the Supreme Court shift is not from a presupposition that there can be no spiritual awakening without it. It is simply due to my deep conviction that their decisions bring so much death, destruction, curses and judgment to America; and because our full destiny as a nation is unquestionably linked to their decisions. So, yes, we will get an awakening and reformation; but the reality is that this reformation of the nation will reform the Supreme Court (and government, in general), not vice-versa. My faith has never been in people or a political party; my faith is in the God who works through them.
I’ve been asked if my feelings about Sarah Palin have changed. They have not. I believe she is an Esther, a Deborah, with a huge mantle from God for reformation. God has a great destiny for her related to this nation if she chooses to continue down this path.
So, in conclusion, we must re-group as an apostolic, praying church and advance. We must maintain an immovable faith in God, His plans for America and His mercy. And we must move beyond simply asking God for a spiritual awakening and ask Him for strategy to produce reformation, as well. I, for one, am just getting started!
For God and this great nation,
Dutch Sheets”
Dutch Sheets sent this out as an email on October 20th -
“Due to IRS rules, this letter is from me personally and is not from any of the ministries I am associated with. (Also because of IRS rules, I cannot send it to my ministry database and therefore need your help in getting it out.) Do with it as you see fit, but my desire is that you forward it to as many praying friends as possible.
October 20, 2008
Dear Praying Friend,
In 2000, I wrote the 2nd most important letter of my life—a call to prayer for the elections of that year. I’m now writing what may be my most important letter. I knew the importance of those elections in 2000 was beyond any in my life up to that point and that the spiritual warfare surrounding them would be unlike anything any of us had ever seen. That letter was read by millions of people and I believe millions of them responded by praying. I also believe the prayers turned the tide.
You may question whether President Bush was the right choice; obviously, he has made some blunders in his tenure as president. But two of his decisions alone left no doubt he was God’s choice: Roberts and Alito. These two Supreme Court Justices have proven critical in the process of breaking the hold of humanism, death and anti-God agendas that have ruled the Court for 50 years. I assure you that more devastation—the shedding of innocent blood, immorality, decay of the family and an erosion of our godly heritage—has flowed into our nation through that institution than any other door in America. Many times more. The poison allowed into America through their decisions is beyond any of our abilities to articulate.
The reality in America is that you don’t need to control Congress or the White Hose to rule the nation. You only need 5 people – 5 out of 9 on the Supreme Court. And for decades those who disagree with just about everything you and I stand for have been in control!
In Bush’s two terms, the process of turning this around began with the appointments of Roberts and Alito. Now, we win some cases 5-4 and lose some 4-5. (We barely outlawed partial birth abortion. The vote of one judge saved thousands of babies from this horror.) We need one more conservative Justice for a consistent majority, then more to build a strong majority.
In Obama’s own words, “the next president will appoint at least one, perhaps two or more Supreme Court Justices.” He’s right. Almost certainly two or more older, liberal Justices are waiting until after the elections to retire, in hopes of Obama winning and appointing more liberals to replace them. And he certainly would. He voted against the confirmation of Roberts and Alito. So did Biden. And Biden led the fight against Justice Thomas several years back, another of the 4 solid conservatives. Make no mistake about it, the two of them do have a litmus test for Supreme Court Justices, and a major part of that test is Roe vs. Wade. McCain and Palin, on the other hand, both have very strong pro-life positions. This alone makes the choice for President simple. To vote for the 2nd and 3rd most liberal senators (Obama and Biden), both of whom are firmly and blatantly proabortion, would be unconscionable. Obama has actually said that if he wins, he would like his first action as president to be the signing of the Freedom of Choice Act, which would eliminate every other law against any aspect of abortion (partial birth abortion, parental notification, etc., etc.).
And with a democratic majority in the House and Senate, pretty much any legislation he and Biden want to pass will be a slam-dunk. There are many other unrighteous positions they hold but this position alone makes the choice easy. If they win this election, it will set America back decades in the cause of life and the restoration we seek.
Just as many of you do, I too, want to see a first black President, but not Senator Obama. To allow that noble and godly desire, the economy or one’s position on the war to trump this issue of life and death for the innocent unborn is simply wrong. The scriptures teach that if we choose first to exalt righteousness and turn from evil, God promises to heal our land (see Proverbs 14:34; 2 Chronicles 7:14). It is righteousness that exalts a nation, not wealth, prosperity or armies. If we will finish the process of removing the curses of death and anti-God laws off of America by electing a president that will continue to shift the Court, God will grace us with breakthrough in other areas such as the economy, the war against terrorism, etc. My faith is not in a person, and certainly not a political party, for the healing of America, but I know God’s word and His ways well enough to know that our decisions do move Him to action or inaction.
Now to the heart of my reason for writing this letter (I realize I am “preaching to the choir”—most of you who know or listen to me are conservative enough to vote for McCain and Palin.) I have not written any appeals for prayer concerning this election because: 1) others have, and
2) I believe our movement has matured to the point that the prayer base of the Church is already praying.
But I now feel the need to raise my voice. I am appealing to you to pray for these elections the next two weeks like you’ve never prayed for any in the past. Faithfully. Passionately. Boldly. Ask God for His mercy and grace. We deserve His judgment for removing His influence and authority from our government, schools, homes and businesses; for the killing of 50 million babies; for leading the world in the consumption and exporting of pornography; for passing laws to reject His; etc. But mercy triumphs over judgment and in His wrath He remembers mercy. In 2000 we actually lost the popular vote and won the election—talk about grace! Please pray for this grace to be released again.
But I am also asking you for something more than normal prayer. For those of you who understand spiritual warfare, I am asking you to also include this aspect of prayer. There is no doubt that we have entered a Daniel 10 moment in time: “Then he said to me, ‘Do not be afraid, Daniel, for from the first day that you set your heart on understanding this and onhumbling yourself before your God, your words were heard, I have come in response to your words. But the prince of the kingdom of Persia waswithstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chiefprinces, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia’”(Daniel 10: 12-13 NAS). The spiritual warfare in this election is incredibly fierce, and just as it was in Daniel’s day, is all about the restoration of a nation. And also like Daniel, we must keep praying until we win the battle in the heavens.
In August of this year I predicted that September would mark a shift in momentum for these elections. This happened with the appointment of Sarah Palin as the Vice Presidential nominee (who is a true Esther in our generation), but when the economy began its meltdown and the media ramped up their unprecedented attacks on Palin, that momentum wasn’t sustained. But we can see it turn again if we approach this battle as the spiritual warfare it truly is and bind the evil forces involved (see Matthew 16:18-19).
The reality is that this election can be the breakthrough we need to fully shift the Court (and ultimately our nation) or it will be an immeasurable setback that could take many years to reverse—if ever. Please understand what I am saying: if we engage in this battle and do what I am asking—in mass—we will win; if we do not, we will lose. I, for one, don’t intend to allow the latter. I am in Washington, D.C. now (October 20-22) with Lou Engle and a team of prayer leaders from around the nation to war for this election. Join us! Lose some sleep, miss some meals— pray! Pray like never before for these elections. And as you do, involve yourself not only in petitioning prayer but also in spiritual warfare. Use your God-given authority over the plans and strategies of satan’s kingdom. Bind all witchcraft that is working to control the outcome, including occultic powers that are suppressing truth. Release Christ’s Kingdom rule in every way the Holy Spirit leads you.
Don’t be deceived and don’t lose hope (if you have to, turn off the TV.) It is not too late to turn these elections. God is plenty powerful enough to do so. The real question is will we rise to the level of prayer and spiritual warfare necessary to release that power. And remember, we don’t need a majority of Christians who are willing and able to do this—only a praying remnant. We can do it!
Here are some practical suggestions to consider:
1) Fast (a meal a day; a day a week; a Daniel fast; 3 days; 10 days; TV; etc.) and spend
the time praying.
2) Agree in prayer with someone everyday for God’s will to be done.
3) Form/participate in prayer groups regularly. Churches could pray everyday.
4) Take time in every gathering to pray. (Take 15 minutes in every service to pray for the
elections. Turn an entire service to harp and bowl style intercession—worship and
prayer combined.)
5) Join 2 or more on a conference call and pray for 15, 20, or 30 minutes.
6) Pray on the way to work (and on the way home).
7) Pray before you go to sleep.
Pray before church services.
9) Ask God to give you His strategy—He will!
In His grip,
Dutch Sheets”
This is not just false prophecy, it is really bad theology.
If it really were a ‘Daniel moment’ as Dutch Sheets claims then just ONE person praying would have turned this election result around Dutch Sheets’ desired way.
Note also that Daniel did not do third wave spiritual warfare or battle in the heavenlies as per Dutch Sheets NAR. Daniel humbled himself and prayed to GOD and God sent the archangel Michael to battle the Prince of Persia in answer to Daniel’s prayers. Daniel did not bind and cut and loose etc. He also crucially did not assume anything or demand his own will, but submitted to God’s will and set to understanding that and obeying that.
Furthermore, in the context of the Book of Daniel, this spiritual battle between Michael versus the Prince of Persia and then the Prince of Greece was not a battle to stop bad stuff happening to the people of God, period – for if that were true there would have been no abonimation of desolation etc, and no first antichrist Antiochus Epiphanes. Angels and archangels do do battle and do minister on our behalf BUT the people of God must understand [or try to as best they can] what is, and what is not, God’s battles and what are His larger purposes in redemptive history.
A woman has an abortion with or without laws. This nation as a whole is as if the United States is being likened to Israel. The Old Testament is not for the United States. Rightly divide the word .
A bunch of unsaved people in Washington passing laws has gone on since the beginning of the U. s. What about the useless war in Iraq killing innocent women and children and stirring up the already hate for the west. But no, these guys all were behind Bush on his so called Godly decisions. But the important only number one issue is how do they feel about abortion. I’m sorry, did I miss something here? I’m not “for ” abortion, but I also know as it was well stated in another blog, Mans laws do not make a nation Righteous. But to these “We will save the world” guys, it does. And, I am a bit confused on the judgement statements ….. I thought we were in a redemptive time right now and when Jesus comes back that is when his judgement comes. For now, all I hear anymore is about an angry God, Throwing fire down . I know that an appointed time will come for the whole world. But for the whole world, not just this so called elite country of America, because of not electing her righteous king. Please…..
I wonder if Dutch Sheets and company see the election of Barak Obama as God’s Sovereign will, or will they be thinking that they didn’t pray fervently enough to sweep the candidates of ‘their choice’ into Government.
They really are bent on believing that ‘their way’ is the way it should be. Have these ‘prophets’ ever stood still for five minutes and truly considered what God Almighty might be saying.
“Was what happened Tuesday God’s will? I am quite confident it was not.”
Dutch is ignoring the scripture that clearly tells us that God Himself places kings and leaders over nations. If BHO getting elected was not God’s will, it would not have happened. I agree with you, judgement is coming to America because of years and years and years of our slowly turning our backs on God. We kicked Him out of our government, we kicked Him out of our schools, and we’ve slowly kicked Him out of our churches. I also agree, this is full of dominionist theology.
Someone must be spiking his lattes……what a deluded imagination. Gee I was relieved when he gave the ‘disclaimer’ of not being infallible.
“Was what happened Tuesday God’s will? I am quite confident it was not.”
He has a small idea of the God of Scripture who to him is a hand wringing wimp on high. That god is not worthy of anyone’s worship as it is an idol.
“Judgment Will Increase: I am not hoping for judgment; I am saying it is inevitable.”
How does he know that? Is he omniscient? What a contradiction……he just passed judgment by bring a verdict of guilt before God ,violating Matt. 7:1 While the church is instructed not to judge (pass a verdict reserved for The Judge) it is instructed to be discerning; these are not the same thing and often confused.
“What Can We Expect? What are some of the judgments we can expect on our nation from this election?”
He offers nothing gut a logical continuation of what has already been….no special insight here.
‘How did this happen? But please be careful with this. Too much emphasis on God’s sovereignty and we’re
worthless; too little and we’re hopeless. Maybe we should say, ‘we lost a critical battle but God
will give us strategy to win the war.’ Then find the strategy.”
There seems to be a Patonic dualism to his theology……..cosmic struggle of good/evil. “We” lost a critical battle? Perhaps it was not ours to win? Perhaps this historical event, as will all others, is actually perfectly in line with God’s global redemptive plan and the end times which will unfold as scripture affirms.
“For God and this great nation, Dutch Sheets”
Wow, to dogmatically insist that he is God’s spokesman to me and all others is, creepy.
Thanks, Dutch, for offering me your pearls of wisdom, but I’ll pass.
The more Dutch talks the more he shoots himself in the foot.He never reprimanded his false prophet buddies once, the ones who recently prophesied falsely that Palin would be in the White House. Incredibly he blames the people who voted for Barak as responsible for his friend’s false prophecies. That to me that speaks volumes about Dutch Sheets. He is no shepherd, rather he protects the Wolves in sheep’s clothing. Dutch is a “dispenser” of a false Christ.
I shall continue to serve and grow closer to the Lord, setting me goals on Christ Jesus..praying for America..
Not sure where to place this, but please read this and see the satanic connections that our modern church has; http://www.seekgod.ca/stardoves.htm also and notice how Rick Joyner comes up http://www.seekgod.ca/legacy.htm This will in no doubt expose that satanism is alive and well IN OUR CHURCH!
The focus on trying to bring about or sustain righteousness through changing laws or government is another way to distract us from the real calling of God which is to evangelize and walk the walk ourselves. People who have had their heart changed through an encounter with Jesus don’t have abortions, or steal, or commit adultery, etc.
We know from the word that in the last times perilous times would come. We know that these things will not change until Jesus returns. The word never said that salvation would come by a constitution or laws, even great ones (I love the
American constitution).
This doesn’t mean it’s a time for despair. God will be shaking everything until that which cannot be shaken remains (Hebrew 12). This is a time to look up because Jesus said to be watching and looking for him. It’s a time to make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed.
This doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t vote or pray for the government. It just means that you shouldn’t look for salvation in those things. Seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. (Colossians 3)
sounds to me like God’s judgement is upon America.
quote of Dutch Sheets writing : “I’ve been asked if my feelings about Sarah Palin have changed. They have not. I believe she is an Esther, a Deborah, with a huge mantle from God for reformation. God has a great destiny for her related to this nation if she chooses to continue down this path”
To say that Palin is an Esther and a Deborah is an insult to Esther and Deborah! How can Dutch compare Palin to those two women who were wise (!) and not seeking power?
And like you said Miriam, Daniël 10 can not be used the way Dutch Sheets is doing. But sadly this is normal for the NAR and others that believe in Dominion. They are very good in the abuse of the Old Testament for their own ideas and goals.
See also this post to discuss Daniel 10 a little more in depth -
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/daniel-10-and-the-notion-of-territorial-spirits/
Here in Australia, the Australian Prayer Network were praying feverishly that our Prime Minister, John Howard (a great friend and stalwart of President Bush)would remain in power when we went to the elections earlier this year. Bear in mind it is COMPULSORY for every citizen to vote. He and his party (Liberal) after 12 yrs in power, in which they brought Australia into Godly direction and prosperity, lost everything in a massive landslide to the left wing Labour Party earlier this year. I can say, generally speaking, that we were all shocked and very concerned. However, there is a concensus of opinion, that this is God’s appointment and we here in Aust. must remain faithful to Jesus Christ. We also are very guilty of terrible sin and in the recent few days one of our States will lift the restrictions on abortion. Once, when it was for medical reasons, it will now be on demand. Our new Prime Minister is overjoyed that BHO won the US Presidency. The troubling thing for us over here, is that Australia is barely a blimp on Barack’s foreign policy radar. Australia is neighbour to the world’s largest muslim population and it was always comforting to know that the superpower of the US could be relied upon should their attitude toward us became less than friendly. We also have a very strong economy, but we are also being dragged down by the debacle in the US. The happenings in the US, political/economical has hit us all in the face throughout the world community. Brace yourselves for anti-american sentiment to increase and increase. Sadly America, while I remind myself and others that your country produced and sent out massive nos of missionaries, the filth that has also been exported is……
Judgement is coming to the whole world, not just you folk in the States.
I agree Shosana. Judgment is coming to the whole world, not just to the US.
If the NAR believes that the superapostles and prophets have to take dominion over ever aspect of global society to usher Christ back, then it is easy to see why they have the gall to say this was not God’s will. But as Eli mentioned, God is in control over everything. There is nothing that He does not control. Satan is not God’s equal, he is a created being and is subject to his creator. God’s word never returns to Him void- it is always done. What is so hard for them to understand about that? is the implication then, that God cannot move without us? That He is impotent? an invalid? It is not so! He is the Almighty God and His judgments are GOOD!
And yes, the filth that has been exported from my country is horrendous, disgusting,etc…but remember, it takes two to tango, and importers will not go unpunished either. Judgment is coming to the world. No nation, no individual is exempt from that. We need to pray for one another, be sober and vigilant in these last days because although we love God and serve Him, we are not beyond deceit.
But you, beloved, build yourselves up on your most holy faith; pray in the Holy Spirit; keep yourselves in the love of God; wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life. And convince some, who doubt; save some, by snatching them out of the fire; on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment spotted by the flesh. Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever. Amen. (Jude 17-25)
The prayers and fasting did their work. Grace was released so there could be a turning back to God and His ways even as they went to vote. Hearts were hardened and the grace was resisted. Mercy couldn’t come, it couldn’t be released… God won’t reward evil. Judah was warned by the prophets that destruction would come if they continued in their sinful ways. God’s compassion warned them over and over. Finally destruction came… America has chosen self as god.
In reading Dutch Sheets comments on th election. I have one thing going over and over again in my spirit,” where is the love?” The number one concern I believe on God’s heart for
His people is maturing them in the His love. No matter what happens in America will we love those who oppose us? Jesus did. He died for them!
Prophecies will cease. But love never fails. It’s time grow up in love!
If we as the church of Christ intend to win the war we are waging against the evils facing America. We must walk in t the mature love of God!
Love will win this battle!
Before we can we stand for righteousness there must first be a manifestation of His love in our lives for those around us.
Only then can we stand for what is right, yield the power to change the hearts of men and bring the true fruits of repentence and righteousness in America.
It is the true love of God, born out of a human heart that will cause us to win the battle for the issues we stand for.
Now it is time to rise up in the love and light of Jesus Christ like never before this could be the church’s finest hour!
God’s love is going to win the heart of this nation!
Arise and Shine for the Glory of The Lord has Risen Upon You!
I have to believe that Barak Obama is a direct result of Americas downhill slide which has steadily progressed since WW2. I believe because of my nations sin we have been given the leader we deserve, and yes GOD has allowed it to happen just as he allowed the German people to have Hitler for a leader. I do not sing the praises of GW or any other leader for that matter, however up to this point we have been allowed to worship GOD openly and freely in this country. It is now a good possibility that this will change under Obama and the dems, as christians are not “TOLERANT” enough, and are always a thorn in the side of the be anything do anything lifestyle. Because GODS people did little or nothing to slow the growth of wickedness in this country we will now reap what has been sown. As far as Mr. Sheets and his friends, what part of “ALL THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD GATHERED IN THE VALLEY OF DECISION” does he not understand. American blood will also be splattered on JESUS garment along with blood from every other nation on this planet. Doesnt sound much like America saving the world and handing it over to JESUS at his return. This current election could be the vehicle that could put Babylon the harlot in charge of America in four years time. Just a few thought from an American from a small town who clings to his “RELIGION AND HIS GUNS” GOD BLESS!!!
hey Eli,
What you mean “we” Kemosabe?
I disagree with Laurie somewhat. “People who have their heart changed through…Jesus…don’t have abortions, steal, commit adultery…”. *** This SHOULD be the norm, not the exception; but,sadly,even born-again Christians get into sin, or maybe are not totally delivered. Think of the many well-known (and local) leaders who have committed crimes, adultry,etc. I know many Christians, and they ALL have some sin. Just because someone is ’saved’ doesn’t mean they are automatically pure, holy, sanctified and sinless. I wish it was that way, but it isn’t. Some people take longer to repent, to get healed, to be restored, to get delivered, to forgive, etc. Most every Christian in America probably has some sin of some sort. ***Examples: greed, lust, anger, hatred, racism, vengeance, deception, doubt, unbelief, selfishness, pride, lying, exaggerating, fantasy thoughts, pornography addictions, meanness, religious spirits, rage, jealousy, controlling spirits, fornication and immorality, child abuse, violence, wife beating, divorce, drinking, multiple marriages, superiority complexes, arrogance, neglect, blasphemy, swearing, profanity, adulterous desires, gluttony, idolatry, envy, cruelty, maliciousness, cowardice, witchcraft, unnatural affections, drug use, uncleanness, spite, unforgiveness, holding grudges, power-seeking, vulgarity, apathy. ***Also, complacency, denial, chosen ignorance, avoidance, escapeism, political ‘correctness’, rejecting and ignoring the weak, flattery, flirting, manipulation, dressing provocatively, gossip, whisperings, slander, disregarding prayer, lack of Bible knowledge and study, not fearing/respecting God, wasting time, wasting money, arguing, foolish talk, not being some type of witness for Jesus, wanting the ’spotlight’, slothfulness, laziness, serving ‘man’ and not God, wasting resources, stealing, dishonoring parents and elderly, not helping fatherless, not obeying Scriptures, picking-and-choosing Scriptures, changing the Bible, praying ‘curse prayers’, excluding certain people, charging fees for the Gospel, ridiculing the poor,etc,etc,etc.*** Look around, look at yourself: we are all guilty in some manner. That is why we need God’s grace, mercy, forgiveness and cleansing. ***I John 1:9 “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” and also, I John 1:8 ” If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” *******Of course, if we are truly born of the Spirit of God, our lives SHOULD change and we hopefully will sin less and less. But there is no cookie-cutter Christian. If we were all made from the sme mold, we would be merely robots. Being born again is a daily struggle. No one is 100% sinless, only Jesus was and is.*** I am trusting in the mercy of God and His word that promises He will deliver me from every evil work.
You’re right Shosana. Judgement will be all over the world. Why would it be only in the USA? Is the USA a country which is more prefered by God? I am from The Netherlands and they are trend setters concerning liberal/humanistic views. The Netherlands is one of the countries who started with same-sex marriage, liberal drugs policy, abortion, euthanasia etc. Yet this little country on the North Sea still exists. It is not destroyed by God. And the ironic thing is that a some of the NAR prophets are speaking nothing but good messages about the Netherlands. There is no message of repentance and judgement. Furthermore, how is Mr.Sheets so sure that the election of Obama is not God’s Will. If other christians are getting the same message from God only that He agrees with Obama to be the next president, who is speaking the truth and who is the one who lied? The people from the NAR are so elitarian, that it will become so hard to have a normal relationship with Jesus Christ. It almost seems that to become a good christian, you must totally agree with the NAR and their theories/dogmas etc. A humble life in which you are following Jesus, in which you are picking up your cross and denying yourself, in which you really care about your neighbour, is a message that is not being preached withing the NAR borders. That is sad and it makes the NAR also very dangerous.
How could a HOLY God inspire, promote, and cover a contentious, rebelling, demonically-run Republican Campaign full of lies and slander; instilling “FEAR” in the America public to vote for their agenda at all cost? I am so sorry to say that as a Born-Again Spirit-Filled Conservative Christian (50-year old American white woman) who has always voted Republican except for this election, I could not hear the words or speeches of McCain and Palin because their actions were speaking TOO loud. Because of their lack of Christian character displayed (there was no light of Christ), my spirit did not bear witness with their spirit and how could I trust and believe in their agendas ?! From day one, Palin projected a DIVA, JEZEBEL Spirit who was out for her own agenda, causing friction and problems in the camp and obviously could not submit as a “VICE” president to stand by McCain’s presidential campaign. An “Esther” ? I’m afraid not! Obviously God’s time is not her time “for such a time as this!” God chose “OBAMA” for such a time as this! And just know,“White evangelicals by themselves cannot preserve a biblical worldview or a biblical agenda within American political and public policy arena. It is impossible. 2008 said it is over.” Does the outcome of the Proposition 8 speak for itself in the liberal state of California? And I didn’t see BUSH reverse the legalization of abortion, or put prayer back in school, or etc…? But under HIS administration, California did legalize “Gay marriages”, but the citizens voted against it (and I am sure they were not ALL conservative white evangelical christians who voted against it.) Just remember to pray and know irregardless God will move on your behalf. HE is faithful enough. Enough said.
If you believe in God and are truly saved why can’t you quit being afraid? I am not afraid of going to heaven, and I am willing to go through whatever God has laid out for me on this wonderful earth.
Look at what you are reading. We are the luckiest of the lucky.
Thank you Jesus, our beloved Father, and the Holy Spirit for your gift of Barack Obama. I will be obedient as You have asked.
Here is a letter I got from a grown up Christian pastor.
Send him a message that his message was the righteous message:
Friday, November 7, 2008 http://www.ICLV.com http://www.PrayerMountainLasVegas.com
Dear ICLV,
Greetings in Jesus’ wonderful name! Wow! History has been made. The democratic process was once again successful. Thank God that we live in a nation that allows for debates, discussions and elections. As you all know, I have visited several nations where democracy has been taken over by communism, forms of socialism or some other aberration of justice. Rejoice that you are Americans. Rejoice that you are a Christian and rejoice that Jesus is still our mediator.
In view of the election results, I wanted to take a moment to encourage you to be united in spirit and attitude. Here are a few thoughts that are important today:
1.Please pray for a smooth transition of leadership for President Bush and President-elect Barack Obama.
2.Pray that God will bless President Bush, his family and his entire team.
3.Pray that the Holy Spirit will give President-elect Obama a spirit of wisdom and discernment.
4.Pray that God will powerfully move on all Congressional and Senatorial representatives.
5.Commit to pray everyday for:
•All of our federal, state and city leaders.
•That every elected official will keep voting for biblical principles and values.
•That God will forgive us for any complacency or lack of prayer in the past.
6.Please get involved in the political process. The seven mountains can only experience the kingdom of God when we get involved.
These elections were truly historic in many ways. Our president-elect will need all of our prayers and support. Our nation is facing some of the greatest challenges in recent history. The debate and battle for biblical values in our nation will continue unabated. The threats of terrorism will need to be faced aggressively and the economic crises must be addressed. I am counting on your maturity and Christian spirit to lead the way in this time of transition. Every elected official will need our involvement, input and strength to honestly confront the many other issues that threaten our nation, such as homelessness, pornography on the web, violence, sex on television, child abuse, poverty and many more.
Although I have a lot more to say, I will leave room on Sunday to share my thoughts with you. Please be assured that God is still on the throne and Jesus is our great intercessor. I have no doubt that God has great plans for us. Stay committed to Him, join in daily prayer, grow in the word, win your friends and family to Christ, and pray for ICLV and our entire team.
We look forward to seing you this weekend at ICLV as we host internationally renowned prophetic worship leader Ray Hughes at our Fire on the Mountain Conference. We love you!
Pastor Paul Goulet
I just got to say that we are not a christian nation, and we never have been. We’re a nation that hides behind high morals and self rightous ways. I am not for killing babys, I have one myself that I love very much. However, people are and always will (until the second coming of Christ) murder eachother. I believe in free will. With that comes consequences. Laws should be set only to keep the peace between people. Not to dictate every decision. God does not dictate our choices he gives them to us freely, knowing we will all fall into sin. All sin is equal in the eyes of God. To say that voting for Obomah is voting for the killing of babies is rediculous. Everyday women are making that decision right now in America, and the world. And they will all have that on their conscience. Barak did get into the White house so it must be Gods will. Everything that happens is God’s will. He is the one that allows us our free will and allows Satan dominion over the Earth for the time being. Christ is coming and he will be the judge, not you or I or any of the self rightous people out there, saying this is wrong and that is right. So many self proclaiming Christians forget that Christ said Judge not that ye be not judged, for with what judgement ye judge, ye will be judged. If I am to say this person or that person is a sinner, I am saying that I am a sinner. Christians seem to be the first to say you’re wrong and I’m right, this and that are all sins. When will we as sinners and Christians accept and love the sinner? People will always do what they want, God the father and Christ Jesus are the ones with the burden of judgement because they are the only ones without sin. I just can’t believe that someone who calls themselves a Christian has the audacity to make such harsh judgements. Yes we will all be judged shortly, but it certainly wont be soley because not enough people voted for McCain. That’s just silly. We will all be judged when the time is right and the fields ready for harvest, regardless of who we as a nation elected into our presidency. It seems to me that alot of right winged uber conservative Christians have been led to believe some outrageous things about Barak Obama. In my own research of the man I find he is just a regular person like anyone else. He goes to a Christian church, has a great family, and a multicultural background, that I believe is needed in a man who is going to run such a diverse country. The majority of the country is not made up of old white republicans (who claim to be Christian, but who also involve themselves in The Freemasons…hmmm). Therefor, why should the country be run by one? We put too much faith in our worldly governments and societies. This is all temperal and will inevitably pass away. You can’t forse people to do what’s right (whether that be not having an abortion, not stealing, telling the trueth, loving one another, or simply loving God). We should all try to love eachother regardless of our downfalls and try to coexist peacefully with one another until Christ comes, and leave the judgement to him.
or being deceived.
Please people, just read your bibles for yourself! Don’t let anyone tell you what thus says the Lord! America, is not mention in God’s bible. And we’ve been due God’s wrath for a long time. He punished Sodam and Gomorra, so what makes us think we are any better.
We, Americans, have put ourselves on a pedestal and from it’s conception it has all been a BIG LIE! “In God we TRUST” and we can not love our brother, that’s all brothers, black, red, yellow or green as our self! We took the land from the Indians by deceit. We enslave an entire people to build the land, and we refuse to give them credit for it. We fail to look at the man in the mirror and truly see him for who he is.
God has a plan, and that plan will play out whether I like it or not! Because it is NOT ABOUT ME! IT’S ABOUT HIM! And we have to accept what God allows, even if we don’t understand it or agree with it. By the way, who are you to agree or disagree with GOD!
And to say that Sarah Palin was Esther or Deborah, would they say some of the things she said while campaigning. God’s word tells us how to treat others, and I feel that as a “Christian” the McCain campaign should have beeb campaigning on what they stood for and what they could bring to government whether than tearing Obama or anyone else down! I don’t care what you say, God did not or would not approve of such tactics!
Read the book of James, it gives a nutshell view of what we Christians should do and be. And Jesus life was the example. He didn’t go around tearing down his opponents, Jesus was LOVE, Jesus is LOVE.
All of the “what to expects” are happening right now, and Obama will inherit what years of self righteousness on our American government’s part has bought. We are reaping what we have sown!
So Mr. Sheets, God’s will, will be done, whether you like it or not. And I’ve learned that I’m glad God didn’t give me everything that I’ve prayed for and you should too! Because God’s does know what’s best!
People, don’t let Mr Sheets, or anyone else, tell you anything but what thus says the Lord. “Study to show thyself approved”. Read your bibles daily. I have “breakfast with Jesus” every morning. That’s where I pray and study and listen for God to lead me. And I prayed and asked God to direct my vote and he did. And by the LANDSLIDE, it looks like a lot of other people did too!
I will end with the word, “II Corinthians 5:10, says that we ALL must stand before the judgement seat and give account for what he has done while in this body, whether good or bad.” In the final anaylis it will be between you and God not you and anyone else.
I also stand on Romans 8:28, “For ALL things work together for the good of those who love the Lord, and who are called according to his purpose.”
Remember, it ain’t about YOU, It’s about HIM! To God be the GLORY! And his will, will be done!
I’m against abortion and if I could change the law I would because it would save lives. It would allow some people to be born that have had that right taken away from them. Human life is human life and I believe it should be protected whether it’s an unborn infant or a 95 year old person that needs round the clock care.
Many of those who are saying God gives people the right to abort their unborn babies would be saying something else if the issue being voted for was whether to kill people who are incapacitated for instance. I agree that laws don’t create righteousness but that doesn’t mean I’m not going to consider abortion when I’m voting because if the law was changed it would save some lives.
I would never vote for Obama because he is a strongly pro-abortion and I completely don’t believe in that. However, if God told me to vote for him, I would, while trusting that there must be more at stake then the abortion issue and since I know God’s voice I would do what he told me to do, even if it went against my natural reasoning–but it would have to be a very strong witness.
I think it was right to pray for this and it was right to vote for it, but it didn’t happen so we need to continue trusting God and leaving those unborn babies in his hands. He took care of Lazurus and he will take care of them too.
I don’t see in the near future that any change will come to the law unless God does a miracle. That door has seemingly been closed and prayer was not enough to change this. Anger and accusations will not change it either. God cares about those babies even more than we do so we need to trust him and move forward.
I am encouraged by these post……many of your post touched my heart. For so long I thought I was blind. I am a Christian. As I listened to the McCain/Palin campaign, I became heavy in my heart at the lies and attacks. They professed to be Christians while the so-called heathen man they attacked said nothing back to them on the level they said about him. And both McCain/Palin live in glass houses that could have been shattered if the so muslim, socialist, communist, un -American, and unchristian man’ wanted to do so. I don’t think he was any of those things.
As I think about the Christian-right they seem to be focused on two things that will bring God’s judgment killing babies and gays. Ok, there are more things wrong with America than those 2 issues. There is injustice, not taking care of widows, orphans, no fear of God, and the poor. They never once seemed impassioned by the numerous people that have died on death row that were in fact innocent. How about the many people imprisoned for life and decades later, we find they were wrongly imprisoned. How about the corruption, the politicians who line their own pockets, the lies, backbiting, talebearers, and failure of the church to love one another? I think there are many things God will judge not only the U.S. but also the world for. I agree with a post of above, where is the love?. Should the church pray that God would stay his hand of judgment? Should not we as godly people who think and believe we can get a pray through to heaven as for and pray for mercy? What will happen to the souls who do not know Christ Jesus? So do we just let them go to hell because we want to prove a point that Obama should not have been elected? Judging from the attacks against Obama I believe this is the will of God. He would not have gotten into office (think of all the pray that went up for the other team). I think the body should be asking God what is and was his will. It is scary that no one seemed to ask God what he wanted. Many people rejoiced when Bush was selected. Although I disagree with his policy I believe God put in him office. I am still trying to figure out why (prayer for me). I am shamed of many of my brothering. I very afraid that when judgment comes it will sweep the “so called Christian with it.” Did not Jesus tell the (my paraphrase) people many people will say to me Lord, Lord I did all these things in your name. And He will say depart from me I know you not. The body of Jesus Christ should be praying now that in the coming judgment he will know them.
The truth will come out, what is hidden in darkness will be brought to light. Deception is growing stronger and more widespread every day. What happened with Lakeland was but a blip on the radar scope of time. What happened with an unknown, carefully groomed, plant becoming President is deception on a scale grander times a thousand.
May God bless America!
I’m not sure, but I’m wondering about the Obama mania. Why are people so hypnotized and crazed-looking when they are in his presence? Why are millions upon millions of starry-eyed souls looking to this human messiah to save them? Does he have some supernatural ‘connections’? Yes, God ‘allowed’ this man to be a very powerful leader for such a time as this…but why? Why don’t we all delve a little deeper into the spiritual implications of this appointment? And why do a growing number of leaders of many nations, presidents, dignitaries, press corps,etc; all stand up in honor and awe when he enters the room? What is the source of this magnetic power? Isn’t anyone suspicious? Are we all so naive and dependent-on-a-man that we just allow ouselves to be mesmerized? I don’t trust this kind of blind patronage and blatant idol worship. (P.S. I am not racist,for I would notice this phenomenon no matter what the person’s race was.)
JeffOBAMA – regrettably a NAR, dominionist grown up pastor.
Beware of any referral to seven mountains.
OBAMA-NATION= a recalcitrant, rebellious nation whose time of judgment is drawing very near.
I believe that both Republicans and Democrats are sleeping in the same bed. If Dutch and his boys were prophetic they would stay out of this farse. Here’s what a prophet of God once told me; For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Get that? it isn’t the Rulers of Light, because the Light is not in power. Get that? Both Parties are One in Darkness, and for that matter the rest of the World.
To say that Barack Obama is the perfect will of God is like saying Nebuchadnezzar was God’s Man too! The election of ‘08 enjoyed the permissive will of God. Our little Tower of Babel is about to be knocked down, and Obama enjoys the unenviable position of chief sandcastle builder in a storm. Those who suppress the truth have been given over in God’s wrath to delusion– this whole world’s thinking is futile, and most foolish hearts are darkened. How else can you explain things like the vote in California, where prop 8, and Obama, who campaigned publicly against it, were both voted in? How else can you explain the numbers of people who claimed that Obama was actually pro-life (I heard the tortured logic of a pro-life constitutional scholar working for Obama as he tried to justify his position in the campaign–he was totally bizarre in his thinking!). Do not be partakers of the world’s delusion.
But God is merciful to his church, and once again exposes the false prophets and hirelings that are her self-proclaimed leaders. Dutch Sheets, for instance, whose God has arms that are seemingly too short. Whose God can’t move until the prayer bowls are full, (”the incessant prayers missed the tipping point by just .01% this time guys, let’s find a new strategy–what about self-flagellation? “) But God is merciful to his own, and says to his remnant once again, “Come out from them and be separate. Touch no unclean thing, and I will recieve you. I will be a Father to you and you will be my sons and daughters.” (2Cori 6:17)
Frankly, I don’t know who Dutch Sheets is, nor do I care what his or any other man’s opinion is as compared with what the Word of God has to say on this matter.
Romans 13:1-2 & 7 (NIV) has this to say…”Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.”
We need not quote the subjective opinion of this person, Dutch Sheets, nor any other man rather than simply standing on what the Word of God has to say. The Word of God is our compass, our road map, and God’s instruction for our lives, and we need not look any further to find the answer to any question we face. There are many “Christians” who spend a great deal of time dabbling in the world of politics and providing irreverent commentary about our leaders and casting judgement, but God’s Word clearly establishes that we are to do no such thing. In fact, quite to the contrary, we are to support, honor, and respect our leaders…period. God’s Word has no loopholes!
Regardless of who was elected President of the United States or to any other office, they are worthy of our highest honor and respect. The job they do is something none of us is cut out for, but God saw fit to grant them such authority. So, who are we to squabble about such things or waste even one precious moment complaining about what is already done? I believe, God desires that we live as people of love and mercy…to do what Jesus did when He walked the face of this earth. And if He didn’t waste His time doing such things, then why should we?
You may say, “Jesus did question or challenge the leadership of the day.” And, in fact, that is true! Jesus questioned the religious authority of that time, who hypocritically judged others with a prideful and hauty heart that was self-righteous and looked more outward than inward. But, to Caesar, who represented the very regime that would put Jesus to death on the cross, He said “give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.” When Jesus Christ himself had the opportunity to demonstrate disrespect to earthly authority and lead a rebellion, He instead modeled submission to the laws of the land and the rulers who establish such laws. His example should speak volumes to us about how we are to live.
Please do not misunderstand, this does not mean that we are to merely be passive bystanders about the evils that exist within our society and even within our government. However, we are to battle against Satan and his regime…not against flesh and blood (Ephesians 6:12). The enemy of our souls would love for nothing more than to divide us against each other and to destroy the witness each of us is supposed to have as followers of Christ. The unbelievers are looking to the church and to those who proclaim their faith in Jesus Christ to see what our reaction will be. And if we model for them the concepts of love, peace, humility, respect, and submission to our authorities then I believe God will be glorified. But, if we, as “Christians” stubbornly defy our leadership, then what else can we expect from those who do not call themselves “Christians”?
The lesson that I believe each of us should take away from this is that we should spend more time working to conquer the battle against our own flesh and doing battle in the heavenlies as we intercede for our country and lift up our leaders in prayer than we spend looking outward at the speck in everyone else’s eye while we yet have planks in our own.
Submission and respect to authority = God’s blessing in our lives
Rebellion and disrespect to authority = God’s judgement on our lives
…The choice is ours to make! I choose God’s blessing…may you also.
And as for the predictions Dutch Sheets or others have to make about what tragedy or callamity this President will bring to our nation, I would say that such things are already abounding and will continue to abound. In fact, once again, God’s Word provides the answers to that subject as well. Matthew 24:6 says, “You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.” And 1 John 5:19 says, “We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.” Therefore, we should not be surprised by these things as Christians. In fact, we should be prepared for even more of it (no matter who holds the office of President of the U.S.). But, we needn’t fear because in John 16:33 Jesus tells us, “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”
Hi,
I just found your website. A lot of good discussion on here. Concerning the ‘prophets’ who said Palin would be elected or something along those lines’ I asked the Lord what that was all about. He took me to Jeremiah 29:9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.
This is what the Lord put in my heart the day after the election. It may be too lengthy for you to post.
Blessings,
Hazel
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Wednesday, November 05, 2008
The Threshing Floor Prophecy
Well, It’s finally over! We now have elected a new president of the United States.
But really, it’s only beginning…….
There are many who are jubilant and celebrating a victory this morning. There are also many who are broken hearted and disappointed, who feel that their prayers were not heard. After a rather sleepless night of praying and questioning God on the outcome of this election, I want to share the following words with you.
First of all I would tell you to be of good cheer for the Lord has heard our prayers.
Isaiah 55: 5-9, For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Though we may not understand why God has allowed the election to go this way, He has a plan.
I do not for a second believe that God has ignored the fasting and the prayers of His people on behalf of this nation. I do, however believe that God answers prayers in His perfect way. We who are followers of Jesus Christ, who know the Word of God, know that throughout history the true church has endured much persecution. We are told in Matthew 16:18 that ‘the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church’. Who is the church? WE ARE! We are the BODY OF CHRIST!
We also know that Proverbs 21:1 declares. ‘The king’s heart is in the hand of the LORD, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.
We MUST, according to God’s Word pray for our new president!
1 Timothy 2: 1-3 states, ‘I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour.
Now is not the time to back up and stop praying. We must work harder than ever before to see souls saved. We must preach and teach His Word without compromise. The Body of Christ has been complacent for far too long. We have allowed the enemy to come in on our watch and steal from us. He has stolen prayer from our schools and the lives of our unborn. Marriages are being destroyed by adultry. Pornography addiction is at an all time high, even among those in the church and in ministry. God help us! Homosexuality is rampant and being introduced into our schools as a normal lifestyle.
God has been speaking loudly to His church for some time. Now I think He is getting our attention. I don’t speak prophecies of ‘doom and gloom’ for I know that Romans 8: 28 says, ‘And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.’ I also see where the Lord will use this situation to draw us closer to him for the day is drawing closer when we will at last see him. Dear friends, that day is very near! He wants us to be ready. He said in Ephesians 5:27, ‘That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.’
There is a great shaking to come, but HOLD ONTO JESUS! Keep trusting in his Holy Word.
The following word was given to me back in December of 2005. I now see it coming to pass.
In Christ love,
Hazel
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The Lord has been speaking to me a lot lately about “shaking”. He said there will be no more sitting on the fence. Those who are on the fence will be shaken. They will fall one way or the other. (Rev. 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.)
The Lord has been preparing His people. Those who are listening to what the Holy Spirit is saying will not be caught unprepared.
What’s coming next is not a denominational movement. It will not be contained in the four walls of any church but it has already begun in the hearts of God’s praying people around the world.
It is God’s desire that we know Him. We know Him through His word. He is revealed to us more and more as we meditate on His word and spend time in His presence.
Daniel 11:32 says, “but the people that know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.” John 7:38 goes on to say, “He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.”
I also have a strong sense of persecution that is coming to the Church in America. I hear the Lord saying, “America, to whom much is given much is required. You have been given much. You have become fat, lazy and self-indulgent: lovers of the flesh and all things carnal. You have not used your senses to discern good and evil. Therefore says the Lord, I will place you on my threshing floor and I will restore the glory of my church. Let all things that can be shaken be shaken. I will revive you from your slumber and cause you to call upon my name. Woe to those who call evil good and good evil. Such are those that have perverted my sanctuary and desecrated the temple. But be still and know this: just as I bring cleansing, I bring great power and honor to my bride, the church. I will present you to myself in proper order. America, have you not know of my great love for you? Why do you go whoring after other Gods? Was I not faithful to you? And to those who will call upon my name I am forever faithful.”
It is imperative that we get alone with God and let Him speak to our hearts. This is a day of great deception. Many are falling away and the Gospel offends many. If we say that Jesus is the only way to God, the only way to heaven, the world says we are guilty of intolerance and hate. God’s people must pray fervently right now. Jam 5:16 The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. If we don’t there will soon be laws passed in this nation, forbidding ministers to preach the uncompromised truth of God’s word. Already, Christians are being persecuted for preaching against the sin of homosexuality. After 911, it was very popular to say that you were a Christian. Everyone wanted to talk about God, but they did not want to talk about Christ.
If God’s people do not pray there is also coming a terrible attack against this nation. The Lord showed me this over a couple of years ago. There will be 2 states in the North East that will be brutally attacked. I generally don’t speak these things out publicly, but lately I have had strong dreams and visions of things that are coming.
Remember, 2 CH 7:14, If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
1 John 4: 1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Let’s seek the Lord today as never before.
Do not forget what the scriptures say: 2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
ApsaraSaat,
Thank you for being a sensible christian. The last republican administration was full of lies, fear tactics, self righteousness, and greed. As was our republican candidate this year. THose things are all the downfall of america, not what someone is doing in their own life. That’s all between them and God. It’s how we treat eachother. Do we love His creation? We as Christians need to be then more Christ like. That’s the only way to win souls to God. We’re not here to police eachother, we’re here to love eahother and worship and love God!!! Those are the things we should be focussing our energies on. Where’s the love? What on Earth are we doing for Heaven’s sake?!!
Jeffobama,
Glory to God!!!! Glory to God!!! Thank you Jehova for filling jeffobama with your spirit of praise! I just want to say I appreciate hearing praise for you, rather than doubt! YHWH you are good! Thank you for putting me in the time and place where I am allowed the freedome to choose how things are run. Thank God Almighty, even the great I Am that His plan is coming to pass! For by Him are all things created, and all things consist! Glory be to God that we are here in a time and place where we are governed by the people and for the people once again!!! Next year is President Lincoln’s 200 birthday celebration, and our country’s first African American President so many years later is presiding over that celebration. What a wonderfull gift to the man who through the will of God freed the slaves. Glory to God for that! THank you jeffobama for sharing your praise!!!
Brenda,
Glory to God!!! Jehova is Love, it’s as simple as that. Praise God for it! I love that you got Romans 8:28 That’s one of my favorites! It’s all good for those who love the Lord! And that means ALL, everything! Thank you for Brendas praise. It’s contagiouse! Let’s all give God a Holla!
Godhelpus, (Post 33)
I have noticed the same, and it grabs my attention. The world leaders fawn over this man, terrorists compliment him, everyone looking to him for answers. The answers he has in mind diminish our freedoms, kill the unborn, and unjustly take from some to give to others. Pray.
I think Charley is funny. And honest. Keep writing, Charley!
It is clear that this man (Sheets) does not know the God of the bible. He knows nothing of His character and His ways.
Sheets is clinging to a false god and spreading a false gospel.
Godhelpus,
I think you have to remember that the majority of the country was not happy at the way the last election went. It’s been a rough eight years for us all. People are rallying around him, simply because (in all honesty) he’s not the last administration. Anyone different from he last administration, i think, would be getting this kind of attention. I don’t think there’s necisarily an evil supernatural power behind him. Just alot of people, with the hopes of our country t o be run a little different. I personally haven’t heard anything out of his mouth that is anti freedom, or anti peace. When we start to get into end times prophecies, such as what you are implying, it’s important to take all the facts of the bible and all the history of the world. That way we can come up with an educated guesse rather than a scared finger being pointed. We as true followers of Christ have nothing to fear. For when we took Christ into urselves we became grafted into the tree of Isreal. God has promised that all of Isreal will be saved. This is a promise to all those in the Faith. Secondly, let’s take a look at what the bible says about the antichrist or the little horn of Daniel. There are 16 signs of identification as to who the antichrists will be.
1.2Thes 2:1-3
The antichrist comes before the rapture
2.2thes2:7
Begining at the first century and held back for a time
3.Daniel7:8
Rises up among the ten horns or ten tribes of the fourth beast
4. DAn7:24
Rises up after them.
5.Daniel 7:8
A little horn for a little kingdome
6.Daniel7:8
A man at it’s head to speak for it.
7.Dan7:8
It would uproot three of the horns(kingdomes)
8.Dan7:24
It would be diverse or different from the other kingdomes
9.Dan7:21&25
It will persecute the saints
10Dan7:25
The saints would be delivered into it’s hands for a time, times and a half a time
11.Dan7:8&20&24
It would speak great blasphemies
12.Dan7:25
It would think to change times and laws
13.Rev13:3-8
Deadly wound healed/world wide power
14.Rev13:18
666
15.Rev13:2,12:4
Dragon’s throne
16.Destroyed at christs return
Okay so using this we should be able to get a pretty good idea as to who it is. The first thing we have to think about is what are the beats in Daniel and what do they represent. The first one was a Lion with eagle wings. This is easy it represented Babylon. God uses a lion with wings, because that’s what the Babylonian empire used for itself anyway. They obviously fell away and a second beast arose a bear with three fish in it’s mouth. The same beast is described in Daniel chapter 8, as one side being greater than the other. With this information we know that the second beast is the Medo-persian empire. One group was more powerfull than the other and they conquered three peoples on the Meditoranian coast. Thus the fish in it’s mouth. The third beast is a Leopard with four heads and four wings. Again this is all ready come to past so it’s easy to identify. It’s Greece, Alexander the Great conquered fast and then died and left his kingdome to four generals. Therefore four heads. The last beast is a dragon like beast. It has ten horns and iron teeth. This beast is the Roman empire, that conquered the world at the time of Christ. When the Roman empire fell, the land was devided into ten tribes of people. Or ten horns or kingdomes.
Visigoths-modern day Spain
Anglo-Saxons-modern day England
Franks-modern day France
Alemani-modern dayGermany
Burgandians-modern day Switzerland
Lumbards-modern day Italy
Suevi-modern day Portugal
Heruli-extinct
Ostrogoths-extinct
Vandals-extinct
The little horn or antichrist or super power that rises up, is among these. And also caused the three that are gone to be destroyed. We know that this super power is all ready in existance and has been for a while. The bible tells us it arises in the first century. We know that it is a Kingdome with in Europe that is small but powerfull. It is different from the rest. It would have one man that speaks for it and speaks blasphomy. This is where we need to be looking not at the president elect, because bible prophecy is clear. It is a super power or government, not any one man. It’s allready been around since the begining of Christianity. Who do you think has the most recognition world wide this countries president or the pope? Just an open question for you Christian out thre to think about. Who among what we know as Europe has not only “spiritual power” but also political power. The Vatican city is a kingdome of it’s own. But it’s awefully small and different. They teach in their own writings that the pope and priests have the power to forgive sin. Theres the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades and countless other persecutions of the saints. The second comandment is missing from their teachings. The second commandment being No graven images or worship of Idols. Is it not an idol if it’s a giant statue of christ, or a saint or the virgin mary? No it’s still an idol. The sabath day was changed to sunday by the early church. These are Gods laws and God’s times, are they not being changed? Just because they thought to. As for a time, times and half a time. This is given in many different measurements in the Bible but they are all the same. Just as Christ had freedom to teach for a time, times and a time and a half. This is 1260 days or three and a half years. In prophetic dyas we’re talking about years, that’s the way it works in the bible. The first pope was named in 538 AD. In 1798 the Papal (Roman Catholic Government) Rule was put to an end. Exactly 1260 years. This is the deadly blow the beast recieved, but it is healing. I wont go much into 666 conspiracy theoris but I will tell you that Roman letters are also numbers. The Pope is called Vicarious Filii Dei.
V-5, I-1, C-100, A-0, R-0, I-1, U is interchanged with V-5, s-0, F-0, I-1, L-50, I-1, I-1, D-500, E-0, I-1
Added up that’s 666. Finaly the throne of the Dagon. The Beast the dragon is Rome. Are they not at the throne? When Ceasar left Rome he left his seat to the Pontif, or Pope. One last thing, Ezk 8:14 talks of women weeping for Tamuz. Which sounds fairly inocent unless you know your history. Tamuz is the son of the sun god of babalonian times. The sun god empregnated Esther, she had Tamuz who died. It was customary to weep for him for 40 days. I think it’s interesting that we still celebrate easter douring the spring solstice, and that lint lasts fourty days. Alot of Christian hollidays today were started by the early church and are actually Peagan hollidays and rituals. I just urge all Christians to really get into their Bibles and see what God has to say. That is the only true source of informationand the one thing we can check everything against. This is all only info on one of the Beasts by the way, there are two and satan. Making it a false trinity. The Antichrists are powers satan uses for his purpose, by decieving them and tempting them with power, and self righteousness.
Glory to God, though for His wonderfull plan, and for giving us everything we need to be prepared, and found in faith on His side. Praise Jehova!!!!!!!!
OH an additional note, The three tribes that are gone were destroyed by everyone else for the Roman Catholic Empire. By the way I’m not saying that all Catholics ar4e bad, or even that all the popes and preists are bad. It is simply a super power used by satan. America is too, but we’re not all evil. THis super power just gets used by Lucifer for evil sometimes. It’s really the same anywhere with any super power. They all get used by satan. power corrupts.
Dutch Sheets and the rest of the NAR have a lot more to worry about the the President of America, they have spread false prophecies, and supported the likes of Todd Bentley etc.
I see a severe judgment coming upon all of them. just watch! for all the poor souls they led astray from our glorious Lord, no don’t worry about the president, worry about all of those poor lost souls, that need to be saved,
Amen to that Brother!!! The president elect is the least of our worries
A nation that has turned away from God is a fallen nation. God has blessed this nation from it’s foundations and it is even on our money In God We Trust. This is why we have been the greatest nation on earth.
This election is a watershed and we will pay as a nation for our sins. God has let this man become President as a judgment. One of our founders said and I am not sure who but they said (man shall ether be governed by God or ruled by tyrants) I will show the respect he deserves but he is nothing more than one who rules not governs.
Tom
>> This is why we have been the greatest nation on earth
I love America, Tom BUT…. come on! I guess you have not travelled much or know much about WORLD history?
Tom,
We may have in God we trust on our money but we also have well known masonic symols. Our founding fathers and many, well most of the presidents have been masons. And that is a satanic orginization using the front of a christianity in america. We have not been blessed by God because we run our country according to him. Money and Power is not a blessing God’s people usually recieve. Through out history the most wealthy and powerfull nations have not been Goddly people, doing Goddly things. Money and Power is a tool of satan, not a blessing of God. God’s people have always been poor and oppressed by the world. This worlds kingdomes and governments are not Gods. He has His own Kingdom, and I don’t believe it includes money. The only thing we are abundant in in this country is debt, poverty, and iniquity. We are not a country abundant in Love or Charity or Compassion. And that’s ok, because it’s God’s will that is being done right now. This years election results are not a punishment of God for our iniquity and sin. The God of the Bible is big, and eternal and has all knowledge and justice. He is in control, bringing to pass his will. What is happening now in the world always has been what will happen. All to bring about His will. The judgement has not come yet. And when it does it wont be because of any one governments leader, it will be because everyone has chosen a side. And no one is switching. What does Egypt, Babylon, Greece, Rome, and America have in common? They are all world super powers, and they have all been used by satan to lead peaple into condemnation and to oppress the saints. Pray for this man, he has a huge task ahead of him. He is coming into the presidency at a time of war and strife, economic colapse, poverty and division of the country. Not to mention that we are nearing the end, and quite honestly I would not want to bear the load he has right now. Pray for him and his administration. Pray that more souls will know the love of God. Because very soon there will be no more coming under Gods preverbial wing. I am saddened by the masses that are missing out on God’s true nature and love. Not because they are doing things that are wrong (their really only hurting themselves eternally) but because they have allowed satan to harden their hearts to the real love of God. And that is sad to me, that God very soon will have to destroy so much of his creation, so many people who never humbled themselve to see the truth. I can only imagine how sad God must be. We are His children. I know if I had to destroy my daughter because of her sin, I would be so sad. Sad not for me but for her. Obama has a tough road ahead of him and a country to heal and unite. I just hope our prayers are all with him as he embarks on this incredibly difficult journey. And I hope that our praise always be to God for His plan and His will that is being done! Glory to God!!!!
I find it hard to believe that some Christians still doubt Obama. If you listened to God at all, you would have known this a long time ago. I knew since February 2008 that he would be the next President of the US.
I was very sceptical at first because I didn’t see how he would do it, and also because I thought Hillary was very very strong.
But then something happened and I went and I cried to God, asking Him what was wrong with the Black race and why we have had to suffer so much and why we have been despised so much and why people seem to think we are inferior. I also asked him when He will bring us out, when He will avenge the injustice we have suffered. It was with a very bitter spirit that I did this.
The Lord comforted me after that, He said nothing. Later on Obama won in a series of states and I know that was my answer, I knew he would become the next president in the US.
I am not American, I am an African living in Europe, so I know nothing of the TV wars.
A few months after I watched on YouTube Dr. Myles Munroe’s presentation at the Azusu Conference in 1990, and it just confirmed everything.
I would advise my white brethen in the Lord to make sure they are fortified in the Lord, because the next few years will be rough; finally you will all know what it’s like to be a minority.
May God’s Peace be upon Israel. Shalom.
This is from Dutch Sheets. He is now in ‘the driver’s seat’ of the apostolic movement, taking over from Peter Wagner. Read on:
“My dear friend and partner in ministry Chuck Pierce stated prophetically to me that there was a major shift coming to the Apostolic Reformation. He then challenged me to hear from the Holy Spirit as to what this new phase looked like and what my leadership role in it was to be.
Chuck felt that this new assignment for my life was what Dr. Peter Wagner had seen in a dream concerning me. In Peter’s dream I had moved into the driver’s seat of a vehicle in which he and I were riding. We were left to interpret what that “vehicle” represented. The three of us now believe it was the Apostolic Reformation with all three of its components.
The plan involves taking the apostolic, prophetic and prayer movements to a much more practical level, resulting in regional transformation.
Most of us in the Apostolic Reformation have been transformed by the movement individually, as have our congregations and networks. However, if we are honest, we must acknowledge that for most of us this has not resulted in regional cultural change.
For this to occur, we must expand from relational apostolic networks primarily, to functional apostolic alliances, as well. God has given us (Dr. Wagner, Chuck Pierce, Robert Henderson, and me) a blueprint to accomplish this.
This new phase is not just for the apostolic leader of a local congregation or network, but for all of us who consider ourselves a part of this movement. If our stream has realized anything in the past 15-20 years, it is that the walls must come down between the pulpit and pew.
We are all called to ministry! If you consider yourself a part of this Apostolic Reformation and are ready to see it move into its reforming stage, we invite you to align yourself with the United States Apostolic Alliance.
Dutch Sheets
http://www.usapostolicalliance.org/about.htm
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