The Cult of Star R. Scott and Calvary Temple Star Evangelistic Enterprises
Many thanks to Brad who directed me to this article by Michelle Boorstein, from The Washington Post, November 16, 2008 -
“In Va., a Powerful and Polarizing Pastor
A Loudoun Minister Inspires Loyalty From Followers, Anger From Ex-Members With Torn Lives and Moral PainRob Foster was 16 when his family unraveled.
He had told his parents that he wanted to leave Calvary Temple, the Pentecostal church in Sterling the family had attended for decades. But church leaders were blunt with his parents: Throw your son out of the house, or you will be excommunicated. And so that December two years ago, Gary and Marsha Foster told Rob that he had to leave. They would not see him or talk to him.
“I was devastated,” he said.
For more than three decades, hundreds of families have been coming to Calvary Temple, a sprawling, beige stucco complex that sits unobtrusively behind the suburban strip malls and subdivisions of Leesburg Pike. As conservative Christianity flourished in Loudoun County and across the country in the 1980s, Calvary thrived.
Under the leadership of longtime pastor Star R. Scott, Calvary opened a school, television and radio ministries, and satellite churches around the globe. The local congregation at one point numbered 2,000.
Scott’s followers see him as an inspiring interpreter of God’s word. Members pack the church most nights, united in their desire to live as the Bible intended and reject what they view as society’s moral ambivalence.
“Church isn’t for everyone who wants to just show up,” Scott said in an interview. “It’s not a community club. We’re not looking to build moral, successful children. We’re looking to build Christians.”
But for hundreds of members who have left the church during the past decade, Calvary is a place of spiritual warfare, where ministers urged them to divorce spouses and shun children who resisted the teachings. Scott is twisting the Bible’s message, they say, and members who challenged the theology were accused of hating God.
They had joined eagerly, drawn to Scott’s energy as a new religious broadcaster and his commitment to living by the literal word of the Bible. He defined the church. But just as he built Calvary, they say, Scott transformed it, taking it from a vibrant, open church to a rigidly insular community over which he has almost total control.
In 2002, three weeks after the death of his wife, Scott, who was then 55, stood before the congregation and announced that the Bible instructed him as a high priest to take a virgin bride from the faithful. A week later, he did — a pretty 20-year-old who a couple of years earlier had been a star basketball player on the church high school team.
Scott said he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars of church funds on a fleet of race cars and until last year devoted many weekends touring the circuit for his “racing ministry.” The church Web site shows Scott and his wife, Greer, 26, posing in racing suits, helmets in hand, beside a red dragster.
Scott is Calvary’s “apostle” and presiding elder, and in 1996, he named himself the sole trustee, putting him in charge of virtually all of the church’s operations, its theology and finances.
In his sermons, Scott teaches that his church is scripturally superior to others and views keeping people in the fold as a matter of their salvation. “Anything that’s other than a member in harmony has to be identified and expelled,” Scott preached in May 2007.
Don’t be afraid of “social services” if you throw rebellious children out of the house, he told the congregation in an earlier sermon, because “you obeyed God.” In an interview, he cited scriptures: “Deuteronomy says if your kid doesn’t follow your God, kill ‘em. That’s what we do, but not physically. To us, you’re dead if you’re not serving our God,” he said.
Scott describes those who decide to leave the church as “depraved,” and Calvary’s practice is to cut them off. When parents have left the church, some young children have been urged to stay; a few have been taken in by pastors. Scott’s family has been divided, too: Scott is estranged from his 36-year-old son, Star Scott Jr.
“Jesus said, ‘I didn’t come to bring peace, I came to bring a sword,’ ” the elder Scott said about the divided families.
Most current members declined to talk to The Washington Post, although Scott and three other leaders spoke at length.
Kim Heglund, Scott’s daughter and the wife of a Calvary pastor, said members feel strongly loyal to Calvary because they believe they are living out the Bible: “This is Christianity, people being a family.” Bitter feelings and divided families are the exception and caused by people who “pretended to be Christians.” Calvary leaders are careful never to explicitly tell people what to do, she said. “We just say: ‘This is what the Bible says. You make a decision.’ “
Former members contend that much about their lives, from how they spent their money to how they raised their children, was dictated by Scott and other church leaders.
“What started out as a Christian organization has turned into a cult where people are controlled,” said Jonathan Ernst, a Calvary pastor until he was blacklisted by Scott in 1994.
Scott’s teachings have become well known in Loudoun’s conservative religious community, where several ministers expressed criticism and said they have taken into their congregations hundreds of former Calvary members, some of whom are traumatized by their broken families and torn over the meaning of the Bible.
After Rob Foster left the family’s tidy home in Sterling, his parents pored over the Bible. Foster said they posed their own questions: Doesn’t Deuteronomy 21 say parents, not the pastor, determine whether a child is rebellious? Doesn’t Luke 15 tell of a father celebrating the return of his prodigal younger son?
Rob had moved in with a family that had left Calvary but was homesick and would show up at his parents’ door on Sundays to talk. After a few months, they took him back.
Soon, the church removed Gary Foster as the choir pianist. And last year, the couple were ejected from the church. Their two older children, still members of Calvary, stopped speaking to them and Rob.
“They think we are in rebellion to what God wants,” said Rob, 19, who is studying to be a mechanic.
Of the Fosters, Scott said: “You’re choosing to believe differently, and you want to just drop in and bring another philosophy? You can’t do this.”
Consolidating Authority
At 61, Scott still has the air of the West Coast college football player he once was. He dresses informally, smiles easily and delivers his judgments not by banging the lectern but by using a tone of New Age calm.
In his sermons, he tells of his exploits as a young man, the lure of sports, girls and parties. Born in Monterey, Calif., he was raised in a home where religion wasn’t practiced. He was born again at 20.
He gave up sports for pastoring and came east to be a youth minister at a church then known as the Herndon Assemblies of God. He quickly became head pastor, changed the name to Calvary Temple and moved the church to its Sterling location on 31 acres. In 1986, Scott, then in his late 30s, led Calvary to leave the Assemblies of God denomination and become independent.
Now, Scott’s church practices its own theology, a blend of evangelicalism and fundamentalism. Services are demonstrative, with contemporary music and people speaking in tongues. Members try to organize their lives around a literal interpretation of the Bible, which at Calvary involves uniformity and deference to leadership.
During the 1980s and ’90s, Calvary, under the name Star Evangelistic Enterprises, opened churches in Africa and several U.S. cities, including Richmond and Laurel.
Calvary “was like a mecca. It drew people to church from all up and down the East Coast, from well-to-do from Middleburg to people who could barely afford diapers from West Virginia,” said Ernst, the former pastor, who works as an arborist in Richmond.
At one point more than a decade ago, Scott closed down the media ministries, along with most of the spinoff churches, to focus on 40 branch churches in East Africa.
“We used to be the biggest thing around, and I’d like to say all my motives were great, but they weren’t,” he said. Now, “we’re better than we’ve ever been.”
Over the past decade, former members say, Scott has increasingly emphasized the wickedness of people and the mercilessness of God. In the 1980s, members voted on who should be pastor and decisions about budgets and real estate. But control of the church has narrowed. Scott has chosen four assistant pastors as well as deacons and elders, with whom he consults on church matters, he said.
“I’m the one who is in authority, and I’ll have to answer to God for that,” he said.
Former members and church leaders say power essentially rests with Scott.
“If there was anyone in a pastoral position who didn’t agree with Star, he was eliminated and often disparaged from the pulpit,” Ernst said. Scott “would say, ‘God is leading us in this direction, and you are holding us back.’ “
Financial Concerns
When Bobby and Katie Timms were in elementary school at Calvary, they said, they were told not to come to class because their parents had fallen behind on tithing — a mandatory 10 percent of a family’s income. Their father had lost his job, but the church would accept that as an excuse only if the family were willing to turn over all its financial information.
All of the former members interviewed told of fundraising campaigns in which they were required to tithe 15 or 20 percent of their earnings for special projects, including one five years ago to expand and remodel the sanctuary. But many of the projects never materialized, they said.
“At the time, I didn’t connect the dots. All I knew was, he has all these cars and where is the building?” said Bobby Timms, 19, who attends Northern Virginia Community College. He blames Calvary for his parents’ breakup, saying church leaders urged his father to divorce his mother after she left the church.
L. Steve Gardner, associate pastor at Calvary, said the sanctuary project hasn’t begun because more funding is needed. “Is money being spent on things other than the building? No,” he said. “They are misrepresenting because they are bitter.”
Scott’s decision to leave the Assemblies of God removed a level of financial oversight, and he eliminated boards and public votes, former members said. Calvary’s constitution calls for finances to be administered “by the presiding elder and/or recognized Apostle.” Scott holds both positions, according to court documents. The constitution also says that if the church closes, all property will be controlled by the apostle.
The church owns $8.5 million in property, according to land records, including the church site, worth about $5.7 million, and six houses in Loudoun where church employees live, including Scott’s 3,400-square-foot home with a pool, worth about $550,000.
Calvary pastors owned at least two of the homes and sold them to the church at a loss, according to land records. Former assistant pastor Richard Miller sold his home to the church in 2000 for $32,000, less than he and his wife had paid for it 11 years earlier.
Miller, who still is a member of the church and lives in the home, did not return calls requesting comment. Scott said the pastors willingly turned over their property to the church in an attempt to “take a poverty vow.”
‘Automotive Outreach’
With the free hand given to him by congregants, Scott launched a ministry in the early 1990s that dovetailed with a favorite hobby: expensive cars.
He bought Corvettes, Ferraris, dragsters, souped-up motorcycles and trucks, many of which are on view on the ministry Web site. The site describes the racing ministry, named Finish the Race, as “an automotive outreach.”
Scott said the goal was to evangelize to crowds at racing events, and “we had thousands of people born again.”
County building department records show what many former members describe: a 2,400-square-foot garage on church property where he stored the vehicles. Until last year, when he quit going on the road, Scott carted the vehicles to shows and races across the country in a huge trailer attached to a motor home with granite floors and plasma TVs, said Star Scott Jr., who added that he traveled for years with his father to car events. The son said that his father would be on the road for weeks and that Calvary would pick up the tab, which sometimes included snowmobiling, casino gambling or attending concerts.
He said his father lives off church-paid credit cards, and 2005 card statements he provided to The Post, addressed to Calvary Temple and sent to Pastor Scott’s house, show personal spending of $10,000 to $13,000 a month. Items include $2,377 to a company that makes wheels for Harley Davidson motorcycles, $1,450 to a sports memorabilia firm and $544 to a winter sports rental center in Lake Tahoe.
“I don’t dispute” the expenses, Scott said, adding that he has no set salary and that his possessions belong to the church. “Some may like it, some may not. I don’t tell them what to do with their salary.”
Church leaders said that they are selling some of the race cars and that the money will go to support the churches in Africa.
Under federal law, churches can choose any system of governance and are exempt from filing financial information to the government. Federal tax code, however, forbids an individual “such as the creator or the creator’s family” from benefiting excessively — through “unreasonable compensation,” for example — from a tax-exempt organization.
Church finances are not required to be public, but Calvary’s lack of transparency is unusual, said experts with the Assemblies of God, whose tenets Scott says he still shares. In Assemblies of God churches, congregations typically vote to select a pastor and are often listed on the title to the property.
“It’s not the norm within the Assemblies of God for the pastor to be able to determine everything,” said Ron Hall, chairman of church ministries at Valley Forge Christian College and a longtime Assemblies minister. “This is a prime example of someone who wants ultimate control. I would think there would be serious flags.”
Broken Families
About 400 members remain and are at the church most days for services or activities including fellowship breakfasts and student basketball games, former members said. Families are expected to send their children to Calvary’s school, which has classes from kindergarten through high school.
Rob Foster, the Timmses and others who attended the school say punishments ranged from spankings with a thick wooden paddle to spending the day outside digging, filling and redigging holes.
Charm Kern, a nursing student and mother, says she was traumatized by Calvary teachers telling her in her early adolescence that she was too overweight to be on the cheerleading squad. As punishment for being a “glutton,” said Kern, who is 20, she was tied by a rope to faster children and pulled during runs. She and her brother, who was also overweight, would be required to run while other children ate lunch, she said. By ninth grade, she was rebelling against her teachers, and pastors tried to place her and her brother with another family. Her parents pulled the family out of Calvary.
Scott said that Kern’s parents initially were supportive of the efforts to help her lose weight and that such measures “are discipline, not punitive.”
The school originally was open to any children but was closed to nonmembers in the 1980s as the church became more insular. That growing isolation drove some members to leave. Others left after Scott stood on the sanctuary stage in the fall of 2002, 19 days after the death of his wife after a long battle with cancer, and, according to a transcript, announced that he would take a new wife from the congregation.
Saying the Old Testament calls for a widowed high priest to take a virgin bride, Scott, then 55, said that the next week he would be marrying Greer Parker, whose father is close to Scott. Former members said many congregants were stunned.
“He kept saying it’s to keep him from falling into sin, to keep the ministry going,” Star Scott Jr. said of his father’s explanation to his children.
Others said they began questioning Calvary’s theology.
Michelle Freeman, 48, left in December after church leaders and other members urged her to reject her son and her husband, who was not a member. Her son, Channing, had left Calvary as a high school sophomore, setting off heated debates between his parents, leading to their separation.
Channing, 18, wrote an essay this year at his public school describing terrifying dreams about God and Satan he had while in the church. Calvary, he wrote, has “stolen so much of my life. For eleven years I’ve been devoid of a real life. I don’t know what it’s like to live.”
Now, Michelle Freeman is among more than two dozen former members who gather for support. At a Loudoun Starbucks recently, Freeman cried as those around her talked about their wounded families.
“I’ve been praying for your boy,” one woman told another.
“I was marked while I was in there,” said another, using the Calvary term for a member who leaders say should be shunned.
After 12 years at Calvary, Freeman is livid.
“I paid good money for my children to be brainwashed and for my marriage to be ruined,” said Freeman, a U.S. Postal Service secretary.
When asked about the divided families, Scott answered, “That happens.” They accepted Calvary’s theology until it affected them, he said. “They were ready to see it apply to others’ lives for years and served many times in the orchestration of it.”
Now, “I’m at perfect peace with them being gone,” he said. “We’re happy with what we believe, so why aren’t they happy?”
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My heart is so aggrieved. I don’t know which is sadder… a pastor who has so given in to his base lusts… or congregants who follow him into disowning their own children… Talk about vain-glorious ~~ since when does anyone appoint himself a high priest? I thought it was God Alone Who appointeth His High Priest.
Thanks, Miriam, for warning the flock against the grievous wolves. God Bless you and strengthen you daily for His purpose. ~Brenda
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I love the man called jesus-a life of struggle and sacrifice for the betterment of mankind- this is the highest principle of life to live-struggle in any form- you want a strong body- train hard all the time- take one week off and you deteriorate- want a strong mind-read and learn everything as often as you can-want an enlightened soul- love god with all your heart and soul and struggle and sacrifice for the betterment of mankind-Life is a struggle- I wouldn’t have it any other way- Free will
Moses and Mohamed are brothers of the same entity- one with a staff-one with a sword- for man needs to understand discipline- and our duty continues until all submit to the chosen one of peace and love- one that sits at the right hand of the father- the Christ- man of peace- our duty continues under god
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What happens when people follow a false prophet and teachings..so sad..destroys families..
Noblefuse …
Moses and Mohammed followed two different Gods.
Jesus is God’s only begotten Son who was crucified, died and raised to life again and He has been appointed by the Father to Judge the living and the dead.
Jesus will judge Moses, and Buddha, and Confucius and Mohammed. As well as you and me. Jesus, the Son of God will judge you.
Does that excite you?
I am most concerned about the new Jim Bakker style theme park that is slated to be built at the church. It will be a terrible source of congestion for us folk that live nearby. The people will be fine….let’s get concerned about the real issues – traffic and the green affect on the footprint and gas submissions.
I think it is foolish to read or hear anything in the media and believe it for face value. The Washington Post is on a mission here. Why don’t you guys visit the place. I don’t go there physically but i am very intimately involved with most of the members and pastors lives. These are good godly people who do God’s Word as it is revealed in the Bible. Today the Bible and God are not welcome in the majority of the churches, so strict adherance to “the old paths wherein is the good way” is totally out of the question for professed religious folks and the ungodly. Doesn’t any rational thinker understand that there is very limited perspective and quotes from satisfied and fruitful members who exemplify Jesus everyday to their community and workplace. God is a jealous God and His Name shall be glorified. We will all know soon enough, come quickly Lord Jesus.
Your “very intimately involved with most of the members and pastors lives”? Considering their foundational scripture which is “commit to faithful men” I doubt you know these people nearly as well as you think you do. I say that because they only commit to members and of the members only the ones they deam as faithful to their ministry. Their schedule of being at church every day simply does not allow enough time to fellowship with Believers outside of their local church nor do most of them want to. It’s easy to look at this fellowship on the surface and think they are wonderful. Unless you’ve committed your life meaning your time, your money, your heart, etc you really have nothing but an outsiders perspective. Honestly you have not earned the right to defend these people.
Because you left my church it’s OK for me to gossip and slander you behind your back!
Because you left my church I no longer consider you worthy to speak into my life.
Because you left my church I consider you un-faithful and myself faithful for remaining!
Because you left my church God could never use you for anything.
Because you left my church you lost your salvation and are headed for a Hell.
Because you left my church Jesus is no longer the Lord of your life.
Because you left my church I will not have anything to do with you because I only committ to the faithful members of MY local church.
Because you left my church it just proves you didn’t want to do the Word of God.
Because you left my church I am more spiritual than you are.
Because you left my church and because my pastor is perfect I will believe everything he says about you without asking you a single question.
Because you left my church the six things the Lord hates, seven that are detestable to Him do not apply to my life.
Pride comes before the fall.
SuzyQ, I know well over half of them, I sow into the work financially and physically. I have known them for 15 years and hold true to all their teachings. If you judge the doctrine unbiblical, you probably hate the Word of God. i thought the devil knew by now after all these years that persecution only strengthens the cause of the gospel. James was beheaded and it emboldened the first church. Keep it coming you children or your father the devil!!!
Matt 24:8-10
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
1 Thess 2:15
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
Acts 12:2-5
2 And he killed James the brother of John with the sword.
3 And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also. (Then were the days of unleavened bread.)
4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
5 Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.
Rev 2:10-11
10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Whoa, Dave,
You sure know a lot of scripture! Sure does feel good to spout off them verses and to consign pastor Scott’s critics to enternal flames, don’t it? After all, none of the nay-sayers have any valid points, do they?
I see your point – the ex-members questioning of financial misappropriation of church funds, pastoral strangulation of family relationships, and sound mind indoctrination put them in the same category as those who would murder, imprison, betray, and hate as described in the verses that you quote. But their evil plans shalt not triumph! Nah, screw them. By the grace of God, pastor Scott is not going to prison and still gets to keep all of the church property and money!
I am with you, Dave. Hey, if you can put in a good word for me with pastor Scott, can I commit myself to Calvary Temple ministry as a staff member, get good pay, the use of church credit cards, paid ministry trips (to NASCAR, etc.), and take my pick of the sweet young virgin thangs in the congregation as a wife? I want to share in the same persecution for the sake of righteousness!
Drag on, pastor Star!
Jesus consigned many people including many AOG pastors to hell by His words:
MT 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
7:22 “Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
7:23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Dave, where in the world did all of your judgemental comments come from? I did not say a single comment that was negative about the “ministry” you so feel the need to defend. I simply stated their core scripture and questioned your committment because I’ve never heard of anybody that was close to this ministry without actually being a part of it. Your comments are a perfect example of the typical Calvary person……arrogant, prideful, and quick to discard people when they bring a question or comment you don’t like. I pray the Lord will bring some balance into your life and that you would learn to think before you speak (or write)….remember the perfect man can control his tongue.
I Love PaulAAA’s comments. It’s sooo very true and yet so very sad at the same time!
Susie, I am simply replying to alot of differant comments here. it would do us well to take heed to whatever applies to us as I will and as Pastor Scott does. His heart is to take heed as always I have known him. He receives the report from our ever so reliable mass media as:
All those that comment from without have no clue what it is like part of that godly family. We all will be judged as we judge folks. They weren’t afraid of speaking evil against Moses, hum, who did Moses report to? Who did Paul report to? That is right God! I guess God cannot produce enough faith in His children to trust in His sovereignty.
1) chastisement + 2) persecution + 3) sign of the times all of it = the cross
I challenge any of his critics to sit down with the Word and open it on any of these topics you guys are talking about. I am judging him by his fruit, my friends changed lives, my changed life (I am a direct result of his ministry free from drugs, growing in God’s grace from the word of God Pastor Scott has taught). I guarantee all who left speaking evil doesn’t love enough to just disagree but has to go spewing out venom.
Jeremiah 17:5
5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
Study these verses and see what you come up with. See how this godless society has filtered these verses!
Hebrews 13:17
17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
Heb 13:7
7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Prov 5:12-14
12 And say, How have I hated instruction, and my heart despised reproof;
13 And have not obeyed the voice of my teachers, nor inclined mine ear to them that instructed me!
14 I was almost in all evil in the midst of the congregation and assembly.
1 Tim 5:17
17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
1 Thess 5:12-13
12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. And be at peace among yourselves.
That is right i do sound like the typical member, I know the word as do they. As soon as we decide to quit doing the word we deceive ourselves.
James 1:22-24
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
See ya soon!!!
Brother Dave
Dave,
I am glad to hear that you are in a place where you are receiving spiritual instruction, letting go of old habits, and developing the nature of Christ. All of this is good.
Your latest scripture references concerning the behavior / attitudes of the individual believer toward their spiritual leaders are much closer to the main point than the first batch, which dealt with warning believers of persecution (the real kind) arising from the systematic legal, civil, or para-military suppression by pagan authorities hostile to the Christian faith. Sorrowfully, this kind of oppression is taking place today in many countries.
How we believers deal with the many and very real differences between ourselves and our leaders is always a sticky wicket, and just for the reasons cited in your latest scriptures. With submission must come knowledge. God never calls for blind obedience, why would a man demand ignorance of his flock? With authority must come integrity. Carrying the mantle does not make a leader infallible. Too many times, the isolated leader devolves into a cult demagogue.
Whether pastor Scott has done “wrong” remains an open question, but there is clearly a lack of accountability, transparency, in the operation of Calvary Temple, and a lack of and theological consultation in scriptural interpretation. The good people under his leadership deserve to have it.
Sincerely, I am happy that you are getting something out of membership there… just be careful to watch your step, lest you be disfellowsheeped.
There is not a lack of accountability there. It can be a fearful thing in the natural to surrender our will to another, but does anything God desires of a believer make natural sense?
If you want to be exalted you have to humble yourself
If you want to be rich you have to make yourself poor
If you are hated you must love
If you are persecuted you must pray for them
Love your enemies
Bless them that curse you
I can go on!
What do you do with verses like:
1 Cor 5:6-13
6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
2 Tim 2:15-17
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
Phil 3:17-19
17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
18(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:
19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Prov 22:10
10 Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.
Ps 106:34-36
34 They did not destroy the nations, concerning whom the LORD commanded them:
35 But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.
36 And they served their idols: which were a snare unto them.
Should we as the modern day church of Jesus Christ take a sharpie and blot them out of our bibles and pretend that God does not require a seperate church a holy people that is undefiled. You and I both know that most churches are full of conscience appeasers who want to feel good about themselves, they can fill the astrodome but not there in sterling. LOL
what ya think?
Unfortunately PaulAAA’s comments above display the current attitude and heart of the vast majority of CT members and their leadership.
Dave,
It is kind of hard to know where you are going in this discussion. Your latest submission of scriptures illustrates a couple of points:
1. A corrupting moral influence on other people can be exerted by both religious AND heathen peoples. In both cases, the evidence of corruption is attributable to manifest behavior.
2. Scripture gives concrete definitions that constitute wayward behavior, e.g. fornication, covetousness, idolatry, railing accusation, drunkardness, backbiting, lying, etc. They also give perscriptions of bad behaviors to avoid.
3. There is hypocracy, idolatry, uncleanliness, etc. among churchgoers just as is found among unbelievers.
I do not recommend blotting out any of the scriptures from the Bible that you have cited. They all have value.
Yes, the church (meaning its people) should strive to be separate from the world regarding its standards of morality and holiness.
I agree with the practice of the spiritual paradoxes that you list at the beginning of your message. They are reminiscent of the instructions from Christ’s sermon on the mount. Of course, we place ourselves in submission to spiritual leaders, but that does not exempt us from the responsibility of ultimately following God rather than man.
What is less clear in all of this is to whom pastor Scott is accountable. Were all of the members who left Calvary Temple guilty of the excesses as listed in these scriptures? Does questioning pastor Scott’s doctrine qualify as “railing” or some other sin? Does refusing to reconcile with (repentent) family members count as rebellion? Who serves as judge in these matters? Is this contention all about Calvary Temple or pastor Scott getting some bad press? 80% of ex-CT members voted with their feet long before this story made the papers.
Maybe none of these questions center on the main thing, which is, as you quote, to humble ourselves so that we may be exhalted. Just one point of clarification: Let us humble ourselves before GOD, not man. GOD loves to exhalt; man loves to walk all over others.
Pastor Scott and his congregation (for the most part) talk poorly about ALL those that have left the congregation and call them “Depraved” or “Pretend Christians” according to the article in the Post. They will answer to the Lord for their behavior and gossip. After talking poorly about folks, they run or look the other direction when they see them in public. It’s funny how they run scared when they see former CT’ers yet they want to portray themselves as these mighty and bold warriors for the kingdom. They are a bunch of gossiping old woman who sit in their own private little world thinking they are something completely different than what they really are.
Merry Christmas, everybody!!
Scooter,
Why is man so afraid of relying on God? If god puts a man in charge then God is big enough to take care of everything. From the beginning, man has wanted control, to leave the simplicity of a child-like reliance upon God. God’s method are offensive to the offspring of Adam, but not the offspring of God. This day is a day of rejoicing, Jesus is coming back soon. A great falling away is at hand, GLORY!!!! Are we going to be a part of the falling away or a part of the remnant who love God more than themselves????
Those who endure til the end, who continue in His Word and be his disciples. Those who loved not their own lives, even unto the death. Those who deny themselves, take up their cross and follow HIM!!! Doesn’t sound anything like modern American christianity does it? Examine yourself and see if you be in the faith.
God in so many places refers to His children as sheep. it sure looks like either many who say they are sheep aren’t sheep or these sheep are too big for their britches. lol!!
“God, have mercy on them. Cause them to know you and your ways for they are so much higher than theirs. Your desire, as is Pastor Scotts, is that people will know you and seek you with all of their hearts, that all of us in the body of Christ will do their part in increasing and edifying the body as well as reaching lost souls. Help us Lord.”
Dave,
Yes, God is big enough to take care of things, even if one of His appointed servants messes things up. I really do not mean to tear down anyone’s faith. It is just that too many people in North America (and elsewhere, probably) regard their local church pastors as “royalty” and the higher-ups on staff as the church “stars”.
Some churches encourage their flocks to investigate the Word for themselves; others invite the faithful to check their brains at the door and to swallow the teaching inside without question.
You seem to be a young believer, and I do not want to discourage you in your Christian walk. At some point in your life, however, you may be very disappointed by spiritual authorities that you trusted, revered, and supported. Should that situation happen to you, please remember that the just shall live by faith (your faith, not someone else’s). You are wise not to become bitter, hold onto anger, or simply to fall away. At the end of our days, we each stand before Christ alone to give account of our faith.
Scooter do you think oyu are ready to stand and give account for your thinking of a Pastor without intimate knowledge or the attempt at teaching me and all the readers of this blog? I have hardly arrived at perfection but not a new believer and I have intimate knowledge of Pastor Scott and others of the body of christ at Calvary. Jesus is Lord there and He rules by His order. Sorry you are so soon shaken by the words of a few disgruntled. Show me where democracy is part of the church. Pastor Scott has for as long as I have known him ointed the flock to the Word and complete dependence upon the the Word as our guide. Do sheep tell the shepherd where they should eat and how they should defend themselves from wolves, how to come in or to go out. Does a human body get led by the foot or the ear or does the head tell it what to do? The Word is so easy to be entreated but made so difficult by those still of their father Adam.
Dave, I’m curious about something so I have a question for you.
Is it possible for a member of Calvary Temple to leave, join a new church, and still be in the perfect will of God? Still be in fellowship with God? Still be born again and headed for heaven?
Can you give me an example of one person in the last 20 years that has left Calvary Temple (besides a Pastor who Star Scott sent out to start a satelite or go out into the missions field) who was not talked about poorly from the pulpit or who would be considered in good standing with Pastor Star Scott and Calvary Temple Sterling?
Dave,
I really don’t know what to say. What I have attempted to point out, in a very diplomatic way, is that the abundance of scripture that you quote regarding the affairs at Calvary Temple and the conduct of Pastor Scott is almost entirely MISAPPLIED!
More than that, my approach was one of reasoned dialog, not invidious accusation, and yet you still maintain that I am the uninformed, condescending one. Can you not respond on the grounds of logic? Do you always have to react in knee-jerk indignation?
Is Pastor Scott of the Lord or of Beelzebub? Time will tell, Dave, time will tell. In the meantime, do what you please. Take another big gulp out of the vat of that special CT grape Kool-aid. Whatever. Goodnight.
Please stop giving Dave and those like him an audience any further. Pastor Star Scott is not worth talking about any further. Apparently they are all right 100% of the time about everything so let them go be right.
And while they are playing church with themselves, True Believers, instead of talking about how great and right they are, will be sharing the gospel, winning souls for the kingdom, encouraging friends and family members in the faith, studying our bibles, asking Father to make us teachable like King David, worshipping the Lord, confessing our sins, and helping each other make it into the Kingdom of heaven. I pray God will open the eyes of the blind to see their wicked, self righteous hearts. And when he does they will each have to determine whether they will respond as Peter or as Judas.
The pond will be turned into an ice rink. The community will protest in 76 degrees temprators if this happens. We are not going to stand for it…Please send in reinforcements for Dave to limit traffic. Regards, the residents of the Sunrise Home.
Recently Pastor Star R Scott made a few comments during recent teachings that I would like to address.
The first comment is paraphrased: “Two people with serious diseases have been recently healed. Praise God for Karen and Neil. See how the Lord is now able to move and work in our midst since He’s purged us and gotten rid of the leaven. There’s more folks that will be leaving as Father continues to purify us”.
Answer: If you go with this thought process what do you do with all of the “bad” things that have happened to people at that church during the same time period? Death, sick children, broken relationships, personal sickness and disease, etc? And what do you do with the healings that occured when all of the “leaven” remained for the previous 30 years? The fact remains all Believers are healed whether that healing manifests or not. Why Father chooses to manifest healing in some and not others; I have no idea. But to make statements like the above is dangerous. And for it to be valid it would need to work both ways which it does not.
The second comment is a direct quote…”If a brother/sister will walk out on you, they will walk out on Jesus; because how can one love Jesus whom they can’t see, when they can’t love their brother whom they have”.
Answer: I would agree however a few assumptions are incorrect. Leaving one church for another does not mean you’ve walked out on friends and family. Attending a new church does not mean you do not love your friends at your former church. I always thought I should love God above everything else and once I was doing that I was then filled to love others. I am to remain faithful and love Jesus with my whole heart, He is the one I am committed to, not a man that knows better than everyone else. My friends are those that Love God, keep His commandments, and trust fully in the finished work of Jesus Christ ALONE and when you stop doing that you are no longer my friend. We all have choices to make, I chose to obey the Lord, leave Calvary Temple, and attend a different church. I chose to obey God even though I knew it would cost me my friends and family but the scriptures say we are not worthy of Him unless we love him more than anything else. I do. So feel free to I shun me, gossip about me, ignore me, shoot me dirty looks all because I love Jesus more than you, more than Pastor Scott, and more than anyone. Anyone can stand up and talk about what’s wrong with this person and that person but it takes a REAL man of God to lay down his life and actually go and help these people. You judge the fruit for yourself. If you find yourself making excuses for yourself, your pastor, and your friends living sub-par lives than you truly don’t love Jesus.
In a recent teaching Pastor Scott said “If they can walk out on Me, then they’ll walk out on Jesus”. He also compared people who leave his fellowship to a man/woman walking out on their spouse.
Ok for starters when you marry someone YOU make the decision and committment for life. When did I make the same such commitment to Calvary Temple? Pastor Scott is accusing people of breaking some type of covenant with his church that they never made. The bible talks about it’s better to never make a vow than to make one and not keep it. And besides the bulk of recent departers left because you are now teachings a different doctrine. Paul makes it very clear how we are to respond and thus many have. BTW, most of us came from somewhere else so does that mean we are all whores, cheaters, defectors, etc for coming to CT? No of course not…as long as your coming IN to CT your OK, it’s just when you leave when you have the problem. If something is a true biblical principal it should work both ways.
Secondly, he says if we leave him we’ll leave Jesus. What he did not mention is when you have a teacher that is no longer worthy to be followed…are we to continue to follow them? Maybe the Lord would have you stay for a while, sow into their life, pray for them, admonish them, etc but once it’s established what they are you have a choice to make. Follow a man in the wrong direction or hook up with some other folks headed in the right way. I for one will not continue to follow someone who plain and simply is not modeling the true word of God and does not care about me. He can call me all the names in the world but that will not deture me from walking in what I know to do. He seems so intent on disparging and discrediting all of those that leave rather than becoming a man worthy to be followed and worthy to be called a shephard of Gods people.
And for all those people who think some how Gods wrath is upon those because they leave Calvary Temple please show me in the scriptures. All of your fear is from a lack of knowing Father. When you know the Word, TRUST solely in Father and His Word your able to make right decisions regardless of the situation. I am being as honest as I can, I have a heart to not only listen but obey and DO what God tells me thru His word so I don’t fear every step I take. I believe He and his word are a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path. Remember TRUSTing soley in Him, not your schedule, your works, or your pastor is what grants you the key into heaven. The Body of Christ is important but in the end YOU alone will stand before the Lord for your own actions.
Question about leaving CT and followup to Wackadoe’s comments:
If (and I am not) I am 100% wrong by leaving CT, has my salvation now been revoked and God is now going to cast me into Hell? Is leaving CT the unpardinable sin? It is nice to know that my “Former Pastor/Shephard/Counselor/Apostle” loves me so much when I was in my sin and leaving his church that he never once said a single word to me, called me, told my deacon to call me. If he is such a great pastor and this place is so mature & great then explain why no one tried to rescue me from Hell or at least a lifestyle of rebellion? All I received after years & years was nothing….not a single call, nothing. And this is the place I am supposed to stay at until I die? You’ve got to be kidding me! Please don’t keep saying how the world looks at your church from the outside and says what manner of love they have for one another….that’s a complete joke.
Even SATAN can quote scripture! “Knowledge Puffs up”
I could say so much about this place, this man, and the people…but why put myself on their level? He, rest assured, will stand before God like the rest of us and answer for all the lost sheep! And God’s promise (among many of His promises)is Passage Ezekiel 34 : see below, Ephesis: verse 16
Ezekiel 34
1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto the shepherds; Woe be to the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the flocks?
3Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill them that are fed: but ye feed not the flock.
4The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought again that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with cruelty have ye ruled them.
5And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered.
6My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.
7Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
8As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely because my flock became a prey, and my flock became meat to every beast of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my flock, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my flock;
9Therefore, O ye shepherds, hear the word of the LORD;
10Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.
11For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
12As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
13And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
14I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.
15I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.
16I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.
17And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.
18Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?
19And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
20Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle.
21Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;
22Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.
23And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
24And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it.
25And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods.
26And I will make them and the places round about my hill a blessing; and I will cause the shower to come down in his season; there shall be showers of blessing.
27And the tree of the field shall yield her fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land, and shall know that I am the LORD, when I have broken the bands of their yoke, and delivered them out of the hand of those that served themselves of them.
28And they shall no more be a prey to the heathen, neither shall the beast of the land devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and none shall make them afraid.
29And I will raise up for them a plant of renown, and they shall be no more consumed with hunger in the land, neither bear the shame of the heathen any more.
30Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the Lord GOD.
31And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD
I hope you read Ezekiel 34 and be encouraged that God has made us a promise! Be sure that those of us who have left Calvary Temple, are serving God to that best of our ability, according to His Word and be blameless and when they bring their accusations and slanderous comments that they hold no value!
Be encouraged!
As a CT church goer, I thought I would add that this place is NOT a cult. I have never seen so many passionate, caring people just trying to live as true christians in a world that is immoral and not living by the standards that God set for us as humans. They are always more than willing to do anything for you and if you leave, they will accept you back. This article was very one sided and was based on the ex member’s own misperceptions. For those making nasty comments, maybe you should come to the church with an open heart and open mind before you make any more judgemental comments. I have my own personal stories to prove this article otherwise, but I’m not willing to share my personal information all over the internet.
My sister recently decided to join CT. She has whole-heartedly accepted every word she has heard and changed her life completely. She has stopped drinking (though she never had an addiction), stopped fornicating, and became completely self-satisfied. She has also married a man she didn’t even know had feelings for her, and I’m not sure she has any lasting feelings for him. What really worries and hurts me is the fact that she has excluded her family members from her life, including the wedding. Are we really evil people? We have not tried to sway her from her beliefs, but we do not go to her church- we have our own. Is CT the ONLY good and holy church, and Pastor Scott the only good and holy leader of an earthy house of God? What about the people who live far away (and not in East Africa)? Are these people damned to hell? Has this pastor gone to every church on earth, or in our area, and personally witnessed a bad pastor or a bad flock in each church? My belief in God involves His unbridled love for his people. Look at the example Christ gave when he accepted the offering of the prostitute who washed his feet in sweet perfumed oil on the night of the last supper. When the apostles wanted to judge her unworthy to be with the Lord, He demonstrated compassion and love. As long as there is love for God filling a person’s heart it should not matter which church they attend or even which denomination. And above all else it is God’s place to judge a man’s heart, and not this Pastor Scott or any member of any church. Yes, its true that you would not willingly associate with a rapist, or murderer- but are those sins the same as not attending CT- especially if you don’t live within 10 hours of CT? I applaud my sister for dedicating her life to God, but I mourn for the loss of her fellowship. I’m not a bad person!
Praise the Lord! Dear Anonymously Mourning – I am so sorry that you and your family had to experience first-hand the elitism represented by Calvary Temple, which by no means represents Jesus or His Word. I am fully pursuaded that God is indeed in control and is and always had been at work in bringing to the Light what goes on at Calvary Temple. The saddest truth is that the people who attend CT are indeed blinded and deceived. What they perceive as Biblical love is truly no more than idol worship and the worst part is that because they are deceived can not see this for themselves. But God…God is in control, our eternal Shepherd Jesus Christ, as stated emphatically in Ezekiel 34 is indeed taking over at Calvary Temple. He is indeed seeking for the lost and wounded sheep that have been bitten, devoured, destroyed and cast out by that place. Take heart Anonymously Mourning. God has heart the cries of His people; the prayers of the saints who have been praying for over 30 years…
My prayer has and always will be that the the eyes of the attendants of CT will be opened and that the their bound hearts will be set free…
Isaiah 42:16
Dear Anonymous,
I have a few questions for you: who are you trying to convince in your post – yourself? Who are you addressing? -The unsuspecting people out there who might venture into CT based on the word of the people who attend there who are out and about telling people about Jesus? You forget that we all attended there – some longer than even Bob Scott…we all said the same things you said in your post; we all believed the same thing…”Oh Pastor cares so much; Pastor has given so much.” But I ask you to really think about what you have received at CT. I am not going to argue with you that the people at CT truly believe that they love God and are serving Jesus…believe me. We all did. BUT – if you are serious about serving Jesus – line everything up with the Word of God. How did Jesus treat the lost? How did Jesus treat the sinner? How did Jesus treat the self-righteous? Don’t just blindly follow. Ask Jesus to show you HIS TRUTH and Jesus and His Truth will set you free.
Standing, believing and resting on God’s Word,
A Believer in Jesus who once attended CT
Oh, and Dave (who attends CT in MD) Please stop…
I’m posting again – once again, I go to CT. I’m certainly not “blinded”. I do NOT idol Pastor Scott. He is merely the person that is reading out of the bible. I do my own reading and own interpreting and own researching too. Not only that, my family doesn’t go to CT and I still see them several times a week. I know a lot of people there that don’t have families that go to CT and even some that aren’t even christian and they still see their families. Once again, before you judge, why don’t you open your hearts and brains and go see for yourself instead of taking a reporter’s one sided perspective to be the holy truth.
Ah, Dear Anonymous…I spoke of idol worship; YOU are the one who spoke of Bob Scott.
It is like the criminal who incriminates himself to the detective when he talks about the knife used in the murder -and the detective replies saying that the type of weapon used had not been released…
Again – we are praying for everyone at CT, including Bob Scott.
As always, this is, always has been, and always will be about Jesus and His Word. Period.
Ezekiel 34
Dear Anonymous, I can only speak from experience- I am not a reporter, nor do I pretend to be saying that my family’s experience has been the same for every one’s. I do not believe my head or heart is closed, and I anticipate the day my sister’s heart will be opened to me again. I’m not looking to fight about a person’s beliefs, I’m just relating my sadness. However, I don’t feel the need to go to CT and see for myself since this experience has been all the witness I need.
Bob Scott and the leadership of CT are clearly bitter and full of hatred toward all of us that have left. They try at times to act like they are sad but actions speak louder than words! That’s why they continue to slander and rail us from the pulpit. That’s why Kimberly called us “Pretend Christians”, that’s why Bob and Steve G. said we we’re all “apostate and headed for destruction”. Funny, they never said that to me while I was still going to their church. I don’t understand how you throw out comments like that in such a hap-hazard way especially without knowing any of the facts about people.
If they really think these things about those that have left, don’t they owe it to them to try to snatch them from the flames of hell? Shouldn’t they come, shake their brother and ask “whats going on with you”? Shouldn’t they go after the one lost sheep? The fact remains they don’t do these things because they are all things that Christians would do. Instead they make ugly, attacking comments to a heathen reporter, they spew their hatred from the pulpit, and they instill this same thought process into their followers. This course of action is set in scripture as an example on how we are to behave, where? The example we have is of the shephard going after the lost sheep. Or Paul and Barnabas having a disagreement. Funny, I don’t recall either man going back to their friends and damning the other man to Hell for not believing the way I choose to Believe. “That Barnabas is going out and joining himself to a whore by going to another church”. “Paul is apostate, you’d better not talk to him, he’s a Pretend Christian and that’s why he’s bitter”. It’s ridiculous and about as immature as you can get. It’s my sandbox and you can’t play in it anymore! I’m taking my ball and going home! What a bunch of whinning babies with overinflated ideas of their own selfworth and their own interpretation of the scriptures! Unbelievable! I wonder how teachable a person is who already knows everything? But then again we are talking about a man who throughs temper tantrums if things aren’t done exactly how he thinks they should be; yet it’s excused because he’s just a type A personality. No, it’s called selfishness and being a whiny brat; get over yourself! There’s clearly no room for anyone besides Bob in his mind.
Dear Anonymous, I find it hard to believe you “see your family several times per week.” Your church teaches that you must ‘gather yourselves together and all the more so as you behold the end drawing near.’ As it has been explained to me, a non-member, that means you are required to attend “Corporate prayer” and a variety of other planned activities 7 nights per week, for at least 2 hours each night, plus many more required devotional hours on Sunday. This effectively prevents working people within CT from associating with anyone outside the congregation – family members, friends from work, old friends, etc… all of whom are now considered to be unacceptable or dangerous because they “aren’t serving the Lord” or at least don’t serve the way Star Scott interprets Godly devotion. Where is your internal B.S. meter? Why aren’t your alarm bells ringing? Mandatory tithes to support an expensive race car hobby? Total ownership of all church assets?? The supposed command from “God” to take a virgin bride from within the congregation??? Are you kidding me?!?!?!?!?! Unfortunately, anyone can plausibly twist the scriptures to suit their own ends – and that’s what your “apostle” and “prophet” has done to you and your congregation. I grieve and pray for all who have been victimized by this con artist. Beware, Anonymous. According to 2Corinthians 11:14 (TEV), “Even Satan can change himself to look like an angel of light…” (or maybe even a Star)
Pastor Star Scott, the other Pastors, and the bulk of the Calvary Temple congregation believe they are serving the Lord, walking in humility, being faithful, and doing better than most others around them. To them I have a few remarks to share:
1. Serving the Lord & Being Faithful is being up at church as much as possible? I don’t have time for others, former members, etc because I’m sowing into the faithful. In the story of the Good Samaritan Jesus said “Go and Do likewise”. The Good Samaritan took time to sow into someone he didn’t even know, fed him, brought him to a place to heal up, used his money and resources to help someone he doesn’t even know. The priest and the levite walked by, without lifting a finger, perhaps on their way to a Calvary Temple meeting!
2. Walking in Humility is saying we’re better than everyone else around within a 20 minute drive? Based on who’s opinion, your’s Pastor Scott? So in your opinion your better than everyone else? Oh, so we can judge ourselves by ourselves now? Huh, good to know. I wonder if that prideful attitude has anything at all to do with why folks have been leaving? Nah, that couldn’t be it…it’s because they are all defectors! I guess it’s just a coincidence that at the same time more and more people are defecting your becoming more and more prideful and arrogant?
3. We’re doing better than most around us. Strengthing one another do continue to strengthen one another? Many of the “lesser churches” around are doing far better at ministering to those in need, evangelism, and DOING the works of the ministry because they get out and DO, they don’t sit around saying how much better they are than everyone else. Who do you think the bum on the street who was just ministered to with the gospel, a sandwich, and a place to sleep thinks is better. The one that helped him or the folks on triple 7 that think their better than everyone else? You are what you DO not what you say! People don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care.
I guess at Calvary Temple, since you do it better than everyone else especially all of those other loosers within a 20 mile radius, you can’t bothered with obeying Jesus to “go and do likewise” because you might miss a meeting. I guess you guys know better than Jesus. I would rather be at one of these “lesser churches” that knows they are a lesser church, walks in humility, and simply wants to please the Lord. Father gives grace to the humble and I desparately need that grace. I certainly don’t want Fathers resistance that comes from walking in pride. Once your eyes are opened you will be shocked and incredibly saddened by the arrogance you walked in as a disciple of CT and a product of Pastor Scott.
To all who have ears to hear:
First I want to let SuperStar know that I thoroughly appreciate and agree with your comments from March 31. Also, to the person who posted Ezekiel 34, THANK YOU!!!
But here is what needs to be said today – it is time:
Here is the real issue concerning Calvary Temple. Whether people attending CT believe the following facts or not, does not make the Truth about that place NOT true. The fact of the matter is: Calvary Temple is at best a cult and at worst, a spiritually abusive and authoritarian place. The congregants and attendees, the leadership staff, the school teachers and children’s church teachers, everyone from the oldest to the youngest are deceived. Period. (You know it’s a funny thing about deception. People who are deceived don’t know that they are. If they knew, they wouldn’t be deceived!!)
Bob Scott is all of the following and more: a false prophet, a false shepherd, he is a Simon the Sorcerer, a Saul at best, but never a King David (please! Come on people – Jesus is the only King we want or need!), a money-changer, and first and foremost he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Please read again Ezekiel 34 – those Scriptures describe CT perfectly. Not only does Ezekiel 34 describe BS and the “leadership” there, but it also describes what JESUS, our True and ONLY Shepherd will do, and I believe IS doing there.
What he most definitely is not is: a Moses or a Joshua; a Paul or a Peter; a true shepherd after the heart of Jesus, an apostle or a prophet of any kind, nor is he kind or loving, or longsuffering (who throws children out on the street? Give me a break!). Who uses and hurts children, denies it and leaves them and their lives to be subsequently destroyed, and then acts as if everything has been made right – and then boasts about it?! Is that the work of a true follower of Jesus? Come on! Somebody start using the brains that God gave you!
That place makes people fearful. Fearful of what people will think if “perfect” lives aren’t lived out like “Pastor Scott.” Fearful of saying something deemed wrong and getting sucked into a meeting. Fearful of each other because it is nothing for CT congregants to “take things up,” (remember, you’re never wrong (or gossiping?) when you take things to leadership.”), and then the next thing you know, you are placed on discipline or yanked out of teaching kids or some such thing. Goodness gracious!
But doesn’t the Bible say that perfect love casts out ALL fear?
And don’t think for one minute that “leadership” doesn’t tell you what to do. Let me ask you something – what happens if you don’t do what they say? Like I said in the previous paragraph, there are consequences to not doing what is “counseled.” You are disciplined, taken out of activities, put on visitor status, not allowed to attend activities…but they don’t tell you what to do! Wow! The manipulation is staggering, just staggering!
That place is all about control. Why do you think BS gossips from the pulpit? Why do you think he marks people? Do you really think that a BS marking of those who have left has ANY impact on us; on anyone OUTSIDE of CT? CT does not mark people according to the Bible (don’t even say it CT people. What you do is NOT Scriptural!) Scripturally and spiritually it is WRONG; therefore, it means NOTHING. This is why CT has marked, oh, I don’t know – HUNDREDs of people? (Who does that???) He marks people to control the congregants. He can’t control us (people who have left, which is a fact that BS hates), but you all let him control you. Let me ask you something – which of you have picked up the phone and asked ANYONE who has left if what was said from the pulpit is true or not? …yeah, that’s what I thought. Not one of you has.
Here’s the thing, when people change jobs, change churches, move to a different county or state to live, regular communication between old work friends, church friends, even family, might not be as regular as it once was. Friends and family might go a long period of time without talking or seeing one another. This is not what we are talking about when we talk about leaving CT. What happens is not natural, nor is it Scriptural. If you leave CT, you are considered rebellious, a defector from both that church and God, no longer saved or backslidden, fully serving Satan, never saved, dangerous, and so on and so on, ad nausea. Gossip. Gossip. Gossip. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
What audacity! What arrogance! What self-righteousness! I tell you this, and please listen carefully. I fear for the people of CT. Through your judgments, legalism, false doctrine, you are adding to and taking away from the Word of God – Your traditions, and your shear hatred for people (yes, I said hatred), I fear for you. Jesus had harsh words for the self-righteous. He said that they would not enter the Kingdom of God. He said that He would separate the sheep from the goats (Jesus will separate, not BS – like he did at that abomination of a “sport’s banquet” when he took all of the kid’s stuff – anything they received from CT – which, BTW, the parent’s paid for. Are you kidding?????? But yet, one by one, they were all “guilted” into taking their stuff up there and laying them at the feet of their idol, Bob Scott. Unbelievable!!!! No idol worship there, huh?). That place puts people back under the law. And by doing this, they make the Blood of Jesus of NO EFFECT. Do you hear what I just said? Attendants of CT trample the Blood of Jesus under their feet EVERY DAY.
BUT – listen carefully! It is not too late. People are praying for you all, literally all around the world. Open your eyes people! Ask your True Shepherd JESUS to open your eyes and open your mind and open your heart. Stop listening to Bob Scott’s commentary! Yes, you carry your Bibles to church. Yes, you open them and Scripture is read. BUT – Bob Scott’s commentary is poison; poison I tell you!
Let’s talk a little bit about bitterness. People who leave CT are not bitter. Everyone is thankful to finally have their eyes opened and to be free from that bondage, but bitterness is not there. Everyone is hurt and wounded and some have had their families destroyed by that place (which I will talk about in a little bit), but bitterness is not there. Everyone is broken-hearted that friends and family will no longer have anything to do with them, are shocked to have people turn away or run away from them when a chance encounter happens out in public, but bitterness is not there. So, who is bitter then? The bitterness, acid-tongued conversation usually occurs in CT, both from the pulpit and from the congregation. Here is another question for you? How come people inside that place can talk about everyone outside of CT, but when people who have left talk it is now considered bitterness and gossip? Sounds like a double standard to me! Let me tell you something! I am free from the bondage of death and legalism; I am free from Pharisee-ism; I am free from the laws of sin and death – and I am going to tell people about it! My Jesus brought me to CT (I do firmly believe) and He led me out of there (I do firmly believe)!! So – stop using the word bitter; it is sickening and it is a tool of control.
Now families and leadership – oh my goodness! The number of destroyed lives and families, consequences from going to Calvary Temple are staggering and astonishing. And don’t bring up, “but Jesus came to bring a sword!” That is a blatant misuse of the Scripture. You forget the number one rule: Scripture does not contradict Scripture. Jesus is the CREATOR of families, the CREATOR of the COVENANT between a man and wife. Jesus doesn’t destroy marriages and families, people do; the enemy does. To cavalierly tell children they do not have to obey parents, to tell husbands to throw wives out and vice versa, makes me sick. And I will say this ONE time: YOU CAN”T THROW CHILDREN OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AND CALL IT GOD!!! It is a stench and an abomination. Shame on you! God hates divorce. Period. Jesus is the Head of man and man is the head of his household. Period. There are no CT leaders in-between. Jesus is man’s mediator, not BS – not the pope! Again, I fear for you.
And don’t bother trying to say that you are all special and that nobody else knows what they are doing…how prideful is that?
And finally – what about grace? What about Jesus? What about longsuffering? Goodness? Kindness? Love? Patience? What about the fruits of the spirit?
I do not see timeframes for “performance” in the New Testament. I just do not see it! If people do not perform within CT time parameters, you’re out! That is NOT God’s grace – quote all the Scriptures you want to try to justify what you do there and they don’t hold up; they just simply don’t.
There is so much more that I could write, but I will end for now. What was said finally needed to be said.
And remember: you all may have written us off (even though you say we are welcome back if we repent. My question to you is this: Repent of what? Doing God’s Word? Forget about it! It isn’t going to happen; not now, not ever! We have done NOTHING wrong), but we have not written you off. We are STANDERS. We stand on God’s Word for your salvation, for our families’ salvation and we have FAITH that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is faithful to finish the work He has begun.
Always praying for Calvary Temple,
A STANDER FOR JESUS AND HIS WORD.
Please check out the following books and web sites:
Churches That Abuse by Ronald Enroth (Currently out of print but available on line or on Amazon.com)
The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse: Recognizing and Escaping Spiritual Manipulation and False Spiritual Authority Within the Church by David Johnson & Jeff VanVonderen
Check out the entire list at: http://www.spiritualabuse.org/books/abuse.html
P.S. Don’t bring up the author Gene Edwards and his book, “A Tale of Three Kings,” unless you bring up his 34+ other books, all written to Christians who have been spiritually abused by false kings, including the three kings book. Try reading, “Letters to a Devastated Christian,” and then we’ll talk.
And one final post-script – the Washington Post article was NOT one-sided. Four people from CT spoke to the Post: Bob Scott, Greer Scott, Kimberly Heglund and Steve Gardner. How come they can talk to the WaPo, but other people can’t. Oh, and verifiable facts in the WaPo are, well, verifiable. They are what they are…if you don’t get it, you don’t get it.
Members of Calvary Temple,
Many caring and concerned believers are praying for you as indicated in the article above and so many of the other postings. Many believers are praying that you will read and comprehend the true word of God; praying that your eyes would be opened to the deception you are in and the distortion of God’s Word that has been presented to you by the leader of Calvary Temple; praying that you will see the truth.
God’s Word says in 1 John 1: 5-7 that He is light and in Him there is no darkness at all. He also said if we claim to have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, that we lie and do not live by the truth. However He went on to say if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we will have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
This very straight forward and simple truth must be a guide or test for all of us. Remember that He was not talking about a specific church group here, not about a denomination or an independent group. He was talking about the universal Body of Christ. Instructing us that, “He is Light – no darkness in Him at all, and that we are to walk in the light as He is in the Light.” The result of doing that is that we will have fellowship with one another! And even more importantly, that the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin!
So, here’s a simple and easy test to see if you are in the light, if His blood has purified you from all sin. Ask yourselves a question, “Am I free to have fellowship with the universal Body of Christ?” I bet you’ll say, “Yes.” However, remember that means those who love Jesus, who have received Him as personal Savior and Lord, and are serving Him. And that includes those who have never attended Calvary Temple as well as those who have attended and subsequently left. Please be truthful, and if you cannot say yes, then you are walking in darkness, you do not really have fellowship with Christ, and you lie and do not live by the truth. If you do say yes, then your actions and behaviors must support that. Avoiding other members of the Body of Christ, refusing to take their phone calls, refusing correspondence, speaking harshly to them or about them would mean you do not have fellowship with them, and that means that you ultimately do not have fellowship with Christ.
Please read it for yourselves again 1 John 1:5-7. The gospel of Jesus Christ is very plain and simple and leads to the way that is straight and narrow, yet it is the way that few will find. If you deny the scriptures – then you should know that you have not found that true straight and narrow way.
Michelle your a trip, you know your going to be “Double Marked” for this post.
If Bob finds out your going to be in hot water young lady!
What your saying is true. Have you seen BS lately and many others from CT. They physically look horrible. The one’s I’ve seen look really bad. No joy, downcast, just really sad. I hope some hears what you guys are saying.
yes my real name is on this…because not putting it i think is lame. heck i don’t even know why i’m typing this in the first place, for some reason i am, though. i can’t comment much on what has been posted already…due to getting entirely bored of how long this whole thing is. so i will just comment on what i glanced at. dave from CT you’re trying too hard. if you believe you are right, and are content in knowing you’re on the right path, then you shouldn’t waste time talking here and trying to counter others points. onto the anonymous CT attending scared to put their name and story out person. do you not realize most of who are commenting HAVE gone to CT and KNOW what they/we are talking about? even if you do get to see your family a few times a week…..a FEW times a week. sound like alot to you? not really the definition of family. anyone making good points and good arguements will get old because there is no getting through. we will continue to get the cruel looks in the grocery store. continue to watch people speed their pace up with their head down because God forbid we make eye contact. or maybe they don’t want to look because they know they will see us be friendly waiting to wave or say hi. and they just can’t even muster a hello back.
now onto myself. i have learned that CT leadership will tell the fellowship and individuals whatever is best at a given time. they tell one indivual one thing, but to others they will tell of a completely different story. not too smart knowing what an annoying grapevine it all is. anywho, onto “the last straw” for me and CT. as you know, mom is marked. which, she doesn’t even get to enjoy now since they hand marks out like candy on halloween. anyway i don’t agree with the marking. and sure as hell wasn’t going to up and move in the middle of the night without telling her like they were forcing me to. i know many at CT don’t know the real story because they tell it different. i was approached one night by 2 individuals. one..a pastor…the other an older friend. they told me that everything they said was coming straight down from star scott. giving me the choice to either: go get my things and move out over night…or go on visitors status, only attending the church services. i told them no i’m not doing that. at that time not even worrying about going back and forth on scripture. at a point where your pastor is making threats for you to do what they want you to do or else…you pretty much realize it is time to move on.
i was working nights at this time. told them i would give an answer by morning.
thing is…we aren’t just spouting off random made up stories. we are just saying what has happened. and we do know what we are talking about. anonymous you are more going off one side than we are. since all you have heard about each of our situations is what you have heard from leadership. i know what leadership has said and i know my situation better than anyone. so i do know both sides of the story.
one more thing…sorry for the length. i’m thinking bout just backspacing all this anyway, we shall see.
about pastors quote on if we leave our friends than we will leave God or whatever. i didn’t leave any friends. i left a church. to attend a different church….still serving God…fellowshiping with other Christians…and stiving for Heaven. if it were up to me, i would still talk and hang with those at CT. CT doesn’t see it that way, though. you’ll say want us back, but do you? i don’t think ignoring us and turning away from us shows that. maybe i’m just off, but i’m not known for being wrong.
in closing, i would just like to say i wish…someday…maybe just someday!…all the christian churches in the world put together into one church……could equal the almighty greatness CT shadows over us. i have no clue who reads this or who has commented so….yes that’s sarcastic. those who know me will know that. see why names are helpful…
happy easter ya’ll
o and…i didn’t proofread and i’m not sorry for any typos or run-ons or anything else that doesn’t please you. guess i’m actually sending this
First and Foremost I want to say how proud I am of my Sister Michelle and my Nephews Stu and Channing! For years I feared for the people they had become and what they were doing in the supposed name of God. I remember say things to my sister that she now puts in writing such as God gave you a brain you need to use it! The things that have happen there and still are sicken me and I don’t understand how people can not see the wrong? My sister is Marked – WHAT REALLY???? BY WHO…and who do you think you are? What do you mean she will be Double Marked and in Hot water by whom???? by what????? explain this crap because that’s what this is. My nephew is told to leave his family in the middle of the night – WOW the middle of the night……. only thiefs and cowards do there dirty work at night! But then the one that blows my mind the most THE BELL RINGER – throw your children out because WHY – A leader of a church a man of God says so……..What are you thinking…..I not going to sit here and debate teachings and scripture with any of you!!!!! This has got to be one of the craziest, cult like, manipulative thing I have ever read. I’m sorry – my sister and her family is far better off without this so-called-church CT – I will say this again I am proud of my family and anyone else for that matter that has been able to leave this very evil place. My Family is not Bitter they are free!
Stu, You Da Man.! Keep up the good work and I hope that your family stays tight.
Stu, on another note,I just want to say that your dad is one of best examples and strongest men that I ever observed during the times that I observed him over the years when he stopped by to watch you and your brother play ball. No dad should have had to put up the bunk that he went through especially from a so called church. As far as I’m concerned, he always carried himself like a champ and was more of a model example for they way a real Christian man and father should act and treat other people than most of the other dads at CT. I pray that your family stays tight like God wants it to.
God Speed my young friend.
To all who have ears to hear:
First I want to let SuperStar know that I thoroughly appreciate and agree with your comments from March 31. Also, to the person who posted Ezekiel 34, THANK YOU!!!
But here is what needs to be said today – it is time:
Here is the real issue concerning Calvary Temple. Whether people attending CT believe the following facts or not, does not make the Truth about that place NOT true. The fact of the matter is: Calvary Temple is at best a cult and at worst, a spiritually abusive and authoritarian place. The congregants and attendees, the leadership staff, the school teachers and children’s church teachers, everyone from the oldest to the youngest are deceived. Period. (You know it’s a funny thing about deception. People who are deceived don’t know that they are. If they knew, they wouldn’t be deceived!!)
Bob Scott is all of the following and more: a false prophet, a false shepherd, he is a Simon the Sorcerer, a Saul at best, but never a King David (please! Come on people – Jesus is the only King we want or need!), a money-changer, and first and foremost he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Please read again Ezekiel 34 – those Scriptures describe CT perfectly. Not only does Ezekiel 34 describe BS and the “leadership” there, but it also describes what JESUS, our True and ONLY Shepherd will do, and I believe IS doing there.
What he most definitely is not is: a Moses or a Joshua; a Paul or a Peter; a true shepherd after the heart of Jesus, an apostle or a prophet of any kind, nor is he kind or loving, or longsuffering (who throws children out on the street? Give me a break!). Who uses and hurts children, denies it and leaves them and their lives to be subsequently destroyed, and then acts as if everything has been made right – and then boasts about it?! Is that the work of a true follower of Jesus? Come on! Somebody start using the brains that God gave you!
That place makes people fearful. Fearful of what people will think if “perfect” lives aren’t lived out like “Pastor Scott.” Fearful of saying something deemed wrong and getting sucked into a meeting. Fearful of each other because it is nothing for CT congregants to “take things up,” (remember, you’re never wrong (or gossiping?) when you take things to leadership.”), and then the next thing you know, you are placed on discipline or yanked out of teaching kids or some such thing. Goodness gracious!
But doesn’t the Bible say that perfect love casts out ALL fear?
And don’t think for one minute that “leadership” doesn’t tell you what to do. Let me ask you something – what happens if you don’t do what they say? Like I said in the previous paragraph, there are consequences to not doing what is “counseled.” You are disciplined, taken out of activities, put on visitor status, not allowed to attend activities…but they don’t tell you what to do! Wow! The manipulation is staggering, just staggering!
That place is all about control. Why do you think BS gossips from the pulpit? Why do you think he marks people? Do you really think that a BS marking of those who have left has ANY impact on us; on anyone OUTSIDE of CT? CT does not mark people according to the Bible (don’t even say it CT people. What you do is NOT Scriptural!) Scripturally and spiritually it is WRONG; therefore, it means NOTHING. This is why CT has marked, oh, I don’t know – HUNDREDs of people? (Who does that???) He marks people to control the congregants. He can’t control us (people who have left, which is a fact that BS hates), but you all let him control you. Let me ask you something – which of you have picked up the phone and asked ANYONE who has left if what was said from the pulpit is true or not? …yeah, that’s what I thought. Not one of you has.
Here’s the thing, when people change jobs, change churches, move to a different county or state to live, regular communication between old work friends, church friends, even family, might not be as regular as it once was. Friends and family might go a long period of time without talking or seeing one another. This is not what we are talking about when we talk about leaving CT. What happens is not natural, nor is it Scriptural. If you leave CT, you are considered rebellious, a defector from both that church and God, no longer saved or backslidden, fully serving Satan, never saved, dangerous, and so on and so on, ad nausea. Gossip. Gossip. Gossip. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
What audacity! What arrogance! What self-righteousness! I tell you this, and please listen carefully. I fear for the people of CT. Through your judgments, legalism, false doctrine, you are adding to and taking away from the Word of God – Your traditions, and your shear hatred for people (yes, I said hatred), I fear for you. Jesus had harsh words for the self-righteous. He said that they would not enter the Kingdom of God. He said that He would separate the sheep from the goats (Jesus will separate, not BS – like he did at that abomination of a “sport’s banquet” when he took all of the kid’s stuff – anything they received from CT – which, BTW, the parent’s paid for. Are you kidding?????? But yet, one by one, they were all “guilted” into taking their stuff up there and laying them at the feet of their idol, Bob Scott. Unbelievable!!!! No idol worship there, huh?). That place puts people back under the law. And by doing this, they make the Blood of Jesus of NO EFFECT. Do you hear what I just said? Attendants of CT trample the Blood of Jesus under their feet EVERY DAY.
BUT – listen carefully! It is not too late. People are praying for you all, literally all around the world. Open your eyes people! Ask your True Shepherd JESUS to open your eyes and open your mind and open your heart. Stop listening to Bob Scott’s commentary! Yes, you carry your Bibles to church. Yes, you open them and Scripture is read. BUT – Bob Scott’s commentary is poison; poison I tell you!
Let’s talk a little bit about bitterness. People who leave CT are not bitter. Everyone is thankful to finally have their eyes opened and to be free from that bondage, but bitterness is not there. Everyone is hurt and wounded and some have had their families destroyed by that place (which I will talk about in a little bit), but bitterness is not there. Everyone is broken-hearted that friends and family will no longer have anything to do with them, are shocked to have people turn away or run away from them when a chance encounter happens out in public, but bitterness is not there. So, who is bitter then? The bitterness, acid-tongued conversation usually occurs in CT, both from the pulpit and from the congregation. Here is another question for you? How come people inside that place can talk about everyone outside of CT, but when people who have left talk it is now considered bitterness and gossip? Sounds like a double standard to me! Let me tell you something! I am free from the bondage of death and legalism; I am free from Pharisee-ism; I am free from the laws of sin and death – and I am going to tell people about it! My Jesus brought me to CT (I do firmly believe) and He led me out of there (I do firmly believe)!! So – stop using the word bitter; it is sickening and it is a tool of control.
Now families and leadership – oh my goodness! The number of destroyed lives and families, consequences from going to Calvary Temple are staggering and astonishing. And don’t bring up, “but Jesus came to bring a sword!” That is a blatant misuse of the Scripture. You forget the number one rule: Scripture does not contradict Scripture. Jesus is the CREATOR of families, the CREATOR of the COVENANT between a man and wife. Jesus doesn’t destroy marriages and families, people do; the enemy does. To cavalierly tell children they do not have to obey parents, to tell husbands to throw wives out and vice versa, makes me sick. And I will say this ONE time: YOU CAN”T THROW CHILDREN OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AND CALL IT GOD!!! It is a stench and an abomination. Shame on you! God hates divorce. Period. Jesus is the Head of man and man is the head of his household. Period. There are no CT leaders in-between. Jesus is man’s mediator, not BS – not the pope! Again, I fear for you.
And don’t bother trying to say that you are all special and that nobody else knows what they are doing…how prideful is that?
And finally – what about grace? What about Jesus? What about longsuffering? Goodness? Kindness? Love? Patience? What about the fruits of the spirit?
I do not see timeframes for “performance” in the New Testament. I just do not see it! If people do not perform within CT time parameters, you’re out! That is NOT God’s grace – quote all the Scriptures you want to try to justify what you do there and they don’t hold up; they just simply don’t.
There is so much more that I could write, but I will end for now. What was said finally needed to be said.
And remember: you all may have written us off (even though you say we are welcome back if we repent. My question to you is this: Repent of what? Doing God’s Word? Forget about it! It isn’t going to happen; not now, not ever! We have done NOTHING wrong), but we have not written you off. We are STANDERS. We stand on God’s Word for your salvation, for our families’ salvation and we have FAITH that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is faithful to finish the work He has begun.
Always praying for Calvary Temple,
A STANDER FOR JESUS AND HIS WORD.
Please check out the following books and web sites:
Churches That Abuse by Ronald Enroth (Currently out of print but available on line or on Amazon.com)
The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse: Recognizing and Escaping Spiritual Manipulation and False Spiritual Authority Within the Church by David Johnson & Jeff VanVonderen
Check out the entire list at: http://www.spiritualabuse.org/books/abuse.html
P.S. Don’t bring up the author Gene Edwards and his book, “A Tale of Three Kings,” unless you bring up his 34+ other books, all written to Christians who have been spiritually abused by false kings, including the three kings book. Try reading, “Letters to a Devastated Christian,” and then we’ll talk.
And one final post-script – the Washington Post article was NOT one-sided. Four people from CT spoke to the Post: Bob Scott, Greer Scott, Kimberly Heglund and Steve Gardner. How come they can talk to the WaPo, but other people can’t. Oh, and verifiable facts in the WaPo are, well, verifiable. They are what they are…if you don’t get it, you don’t get it.
Michelle
No need to apologise. This place stinks.
If you want to write a longer piece up, I will post it as a longer article so more people can see it.
Hi Miriam,
Thank you for this blog! If I could warn every single person on this planet away from Calvary Temple in Sterling, VA, I would.
Sure, well if you can shape something together about your experiences and Star Scott’s beliefs, I will flag up a new post on this so more people see it and have a chance to be warned.
Well, OK then. I give full credit to anything I’ve written to the Lord, so we will see what He has to say…
God Bless you, my friend.
The Lord gave me Isaiah 42:16 right at the time He led me out of Calvary Temple in December 2007 (that is a story and a miracle in and of itself)…so on down this path He leads me I will go.
Blessings to you, Michelle
FYI, their back on the radio everyone!
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Peace Out,
CB
Hi guys and gals, you have been busy. All of this mess is history repeating itself. There is no new thing under the sun. Pastor Scott is one of the few real men of God in the area rightly dividing the word of truth. They hated Jesus they will hate you. Jesus wouldn’t be welcome in the most of your churches and the ones who get offended at this are the ones i am talking about. Soon they will kill God’s servants and think they are doing God’s service. They call good evil and evil good. The servant is not better than their master. It is a shame when true Christianity must fight the god of this world out in the world and in the professed church. I am thankful God is merciful for a remnant, for if the righteous scarcly be saved, what will happen to the ungodly and the wicked.
Isaiah 1:9-20
9 Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
10 Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.
11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.
14 Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.
16 Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
17 Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Michelle, your long story reeks of fear. Get to know Jesus He is the prince of peace.
“Reeks of fear.”
You are kidding, right?
Dave,
I am reposting a question that was directed toward you that you never answered.
“Dave, I’m curious about something so I have a question for you.
Is it possible for a member of Calvary Temple to leave, join a new church, and still be in the perfect will of God? Still be in fellowship with God? Still be born again and headed for heaven?
Can you give me an example of one person in the last 20 years that has left Calvary Temple (besides a Pastor who Star Scott sent out to start a satelite or go out into the missions field) who was not talked about poorly from the pulpit or who would be considered in good standing with Pastor Star Scott and Calvary Temple Sterling?”
Comment by jabukathegreat | January 12, 2009
JTG
Dave,
I have an honest question for you. Where does this need to be 100% right come from and why do you feel the need to condemn others to hell so quickly?
I would think that if you really loved the Lord and had even an elementary understanding of Hell that you would want to minister to those in error especially with your background. Instead you say Bob is right and you guys are all wrong and going to hell. Honestly no one cares about what you know Dave until they know you care. It’s a lesson Bob Scott, yourself, and 90%+ of CT members need to be taught. No one on this blog needs you telling them that what they experienced wasn’t true. It’s a real shame how you guys are so quick to throw people away.
Although to be honest my life is more full of Joy, peace, and the other fruit of the spirit so much more now. I am so much freer to do the work of the ministry. My witnessing and sharing has increased 2-3 fold while my condemnation, guilt, and heaviness has been removed. Bob says those that have left are not really happy, not really serving God, are happy because they are free to serve their flesh, etc. Perhaps he should clarify with specific names because that’s certainly not me. I’m accountable to friends and pastors, I’m involved in multiple ministries, I have friends, I get convicted when I get off track, etc. The difference is now the fruit that’s being birthed will remain.
So in closing I guess the main difference between us Dave is that I count you a brother (I give people the benefit of the doubt);maybe a little too harsh and judgemental of others) but none the less a brother. You on the other hand count me and others on this blog that have shared our problems and difficulties with Bob and CT as enemies and God Haters. May the Lord reward both you and Bob according to your judgements.
BB
Jerry and Mira Gordon for one
I don’t need to be 100% right, just one here defending a good and godly, transparent man who is in front of your chopping blocks and firing squads. Read what happened in the scriptures to those who blasted their loose lipped critisisms at men of God. I am glad I am communicating via email and not standing next to some of you all. Why can’t you just go away and live as your own god like you want to do. I do know there is no one who has left that was so in love with God and with his people that they stayed and opened the scriptures to defend their positions. I miss the part in a sheep fold where the sheep had anything to say or do about decisions for the fold or what the shepherd should have done or where we should eat, let’s vote guys on whether we should do the Woerd of God yawl. WOW guys we are missing the definition of LORD, GOD, SUBMISSION, OBEDIENCE,
If Pastor is so off then why not rescue him and love him with the truth. Instead these blogs lack everything that the fruit of the spirit is and they involve speaking evil of dignitaries, lack order and love and are everybit as critical as you are accusing me of. selah….
I fellowshipped with a guy who i went to church with years ago and he came to visit today. We had a great time of fellowship, ministry, we exchanged phone #s and are gonna do more of the same. He was pretty free to come back and visit. I think todays church is missing the very obvious principles of commitment, family, one body, unity, same mind and care etc….
Oh and I have yet condemned anyone to hell, I am incapable of doing so. I have rebuked you gossips and slanderers though, YES I DID DO THAT AND DO NOT APOLOGIZE FOR IT AT ALL!!!!!Bridal your tongues and seek Jesus for your complaints, complain up not laterally and down. Beware of being an accuser of the brethern.
Dave,
Let me respond to a few of your statements above:
Dave: “Read what happened in the scriptures to those who blasted their loose lipped critisisms at men of God.”
BB: How many times have I heard Bob Scott slame all of the other local pastors in the area and nationally? We’re doing things better than everyone else around us.
Dave: “I am glad I am communicating via email and not standing next to some of you all.”
BB: Is that a threat, Dave? Sounds similiar to what Bob did when he was challenged with questions about his behavior that he did not like. Remember, walk in the spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of your flesh Dave. Mature men can have a discussion without resorting to childish threats Dave.
Dave: “I do know there is no one who has left that was so in love with God and with his people that they stayed and opened the scriptures to defend their positions.”
BB: You KNOW this huh? Really? That’s interesting because I’ve never spoken to you in my life Dave although I believe I know who you are. Several people, including myself, brought things to Bob’s attention and were either ignored or he acted upset that the question would even be brought up because “don’t you trust me”? He was challenged and asked about his behavior. He refused. Others were involved and nothing happened. It’s his church so what can be done. I trust Father will address what needs to be addressed. That’s part of why CT is loosing members. Please don’t say God is cleansing CT by getting rid of men like Chuck, Ken, and Dominic. Pretty sad that you need to resort to that type of gossip. Bob just can’t let anyone leave without somehow slandering them to make himself look better but in reality it just shows how insecure and immature he really is.
Dave: “I miss the part in a sheep fold where the sheep had anything to say or do about decisions for the fold or what the shepherd should have done or where we should eat”
BB: My Sheep know my voice and another they will not follow. Sheep will eventually find another shephard if they are not being cared for by their current shephard.
Dave: “If Pastor is so off then why not rescue him and love him with the truth.”
BB: This is exactly my point, many of us have Dave and we were ignored, I will give examples below. You just hear Bob’s side and blindly follow what he says. Have you bothered to speak to a single person that’s left
Dave? I doubt it.
Dave: “Beware of being an accuser of the brethern.”
BB: Dave, every person that’s left CT has had this very thing happen to them…are you kidding me. All Bob does is say those that have left are “Apostate or headed for
destruction”. These comments made about ALL those that have left. He hasn’t even bothered to talk to half of us. Great shephard, sheep leave and do you go after them?
Nope, instead you sit around with all of the other sheep and gossip about the one’s that have left. Great Example of being a man of God.
BB
You speak about things that you have no understanding about. First of all Jerry and Mira were gossiped about severely after they left so it’s clear you can’t see Sterling clearly from Baltimore.
Secondly many people brought several things directly to Bob Scott. He ignored them or made comments back like “Your a real pain in the neck” or “why would you ask that, don’t you trust me”.
I will give you two very clear examples: During his wedding to Greer several people had questions about things. In the past Bob made a big deal about no outsiders at the wedding yet he brought his own God hating brother into the wedding. In fact he even gave him a seat of honor at the reception, having Believers serve a man that hates them. Many people did not understand this and when asked about it Bob Scott said “I had no plans to invite him but he was in town. I’ve never done anything like this before so if you don’t like it too bad”. Great response from someone who told all of us to tell our family they aren’t invited to different things at the church because they hate God. Why is Bob any different….when it applies to him he’s the special exception to everything.
Example #2. Bob had all of the kids turn in their diplomas, lettermen jackets, etc at the sports banquet. He then publicly gave a few kids he deemed worthy their stuff back publicly. The rest were labeled as not “doing good enough” to keep their stuff. They had to earn it back. Afterwards one of the fathers questioned Bob about his child to which Bob said “your kid is OK, he can have his stuff back”. The father in turn said “OK, just please publicly let the congregation know that because he’s been labeled by you as “one of the unfaithful who needs to earn his stuff back” and in fact my child has been faithful. Bob refused to humble himself and tell the congregation the mistake. He slandered this young man in front of everyone by including him in the group of unfaithful, yet when questioned about it Bob admitted he was wrong, yet would still not publicly correct his mistake.
Dave, I would agree that perhaps some people went over board and got into sin dealing with their situations and feelings over CT. People are people. Just like your threat in your earlier post doesn’t make you apostate or headed for hell, you simply feel passionate about your position and went overboard. I don’t excuse sin in them and I would suggest you stop excusing it in Bob. Or at the very least stop defending situations and points that you have no knowledge of. I believe very confidently that Father will deal with whomever he needs to deal with including Bob and CT leadership and those that have left.
BB
If people are people when did Pastor Scott quit being a people? And when is it that we leave relationships based upon alleged faults. Pastor is solid in his teaching in commitment to the body and relationships. Most leave because of sin and pride and don’t want to deal with it in the light and instead of laboring in the Word and dying to self, doing the hard thing, we take the good old american way, the easy way out. If you who have left in search of sinless perfection in anyone in the body (including the overseers), you will probably wander around missing out on opportunity to be perfected missing the fact that that is why we all gather and hold the standard good and godly, (til we all come to the unity and the knowledge), if you Demas followers would be honest with yourselves you would recognize you are lord and flesh and carnal mind is in control. Come on come clean. When I look at my overseers and recognized more of their humanity it cause me to respect them more since I am intimately aquainted with my personal short comings.
I have personally spoke to two of those three men you mentioned. All were true yokefellow, I ate with them ministered with them cried when they were hurting as did they with me.
Dave,
You make complete assumptions about why people have left. Again you know everything about everyone elses situation. All your doing is reiterating what Bob Scott has told his congregation about everyone that has left. What do you know personally about all these people you judge? And don’t tell me what Bob said. I want to hear what you know. If Ken, Chuck, and Dominic are “yolkfellow” how do you reconile that with the fact that your overseer has publically slandered all 3 of these men basically calling them rebels, those that bring other doctrines, and basically defectors? You are what you associate with Dave and allow in your midst. So either you agree that these 3 men are what Bob said or your a hypocrite pretending to be in agreement with Bob. The moment Bob finds out your not in agreement you’ll be gone too. You can’t ride the fence Dave, which is it?
You and many others refuse to hold Bob Scott accountable for his actions and sins. It’s like some of you have this need to make him something he’s not….respect for a position is one thing but to put someone up on an altar the way many of you do is idolatry and it blinds you to his blatant sin. Reminds me of the Pope and the Pope ain’t biblical! Besides if he was truly humble he would not allow it, yet he revels in being “the church superstar”. His arrogance is overwhelming. That’s my personal opinion from sitting under him for years, interacting with him, and listening to many of his comments when those he’s speaking about are not around. That’s part of why I left. Dave you said we left because we wouldn’t die to ourselves, we didn’t want to deal with the light. You’ve got it backwards my friend. Pastor Scott refused to listen to anyone but himself and his group of leaders. He did not believe he had to answer to any regular congregant when things were brought to his attention. He refused the light and love that was being brought to him time after time after time. Of course he would never share that from the pulpit, would he? No I don’t think so. Eventually it becomes obvious what he is about so it’s clear it’s time to move on. I am so tired of this “you left because you didn’t want to do the word, you couldn’t stand the light”, blah blah blah. Especially after you lay down your life to help others, die to yourself, they kick you in the teeth, and slander your name. No worries though, Jesus is on the thrown and He knows the truth!
Time and time again things were brought to deacons and Pastors, questions about things Bob would say or do and the response back was typically “I have enough to worry about keeping myself straight. He’s the man of God and Father will correct him if something is not right”. That’s wrong, plain and simple. I personally asked about our main doctrine of “Coming together more as the day approachs, the need to be knit more and more, come up to church more and more….then why is Bob, our leader, our example, out running and playing with his race cars for weeks and weekends in a row constantly missing church? The response: He’s a mature Believe who has been in ministry for 30+ years and he’s free to do things most of the rest of us are not. Oh so he’s Mature enough to no longer heed the bible and do the word of God? Wow, I had no idea something like that even existed. Now there’s something to shoot for….get so mature you don’t need imput from others and basic bible priniples no longer apply! Well Praise God, I’ve almost arrived! Hallelujah!
I think I’m pretty much done here!
Peace,
BB
It people like you that Pastor is describing, humble yourself and let Father deliver you. This is a wicked and vexing site isn’t it?
Dave, your ignorance is astounding! The only thing vexing on this site is your continued refusal to actually read the posts and stories on this blog. You are blind. Period. I pray that your eyes will one day be opened and you will truly be set free. You will regret your thoughts, words and actions on this blog. And when you are finally set free, please know that all of us ex-CTers will have already forgiven you and your gossip, slander, and hatred towards us.
Again – this is, has, and always will be about Jesus and His Word. We are Standers for God and His Word, and we will continue to pray for everyone at CT – that all will have their eyes, ears and hearts opened and will finally be set free from the bondage of sin and death. Isaiah 42: 16; Ezekiel 34
Michelle,
Dave is clearly stumped and can’t answer any of the points or questions BB brought up in his/her previous post so he resorts to “people like you” comments? He’s a bully and a spoiled brat. He’s made a physical threat on this board and he shoots his mouth off at everyone, here and on other boards. And when people bring up valid points he either ignores them or makes attacking, dumb comments.
Harveythecaretaker
All,
Let me show you all a posting from another site and then look at Dave’s response, very telling:
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Dave, if you can’t show mercy to others it proves you’ve never received mercy yourself. Perhaps your not Born Again. You may want to take a serious look at whether or not your “in the faith”. Quoting scriptures and knowing alot “About God” is not the same as knowing Father. All of your posting reak of self righteousness and a know it all spirit. That’s not the heart of Jesus Christ. We are to walk in humility, remain teachable, and correct and rebuke with the realization that we ourselves could be in the very same situation if we’re not careful. We are to rebuke and correct, you are correct in saying that, but what spirit are you doing it in? God resists the Proud but gives grace to the humble.
Harry
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One sure cannot get born again on this website, I would not want to learn anything from folks here who slander and gossip. Man what a place.
You folks are something else.
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See also
http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/true-discipleship-versus-false-discipleship-true-leadership-versus-false-leadership/
CT, Dave & Others,
If Bob Scott is the Man of God as you say and he is wise and walks in the spirit consistently then when Janet died what happened? Bob took a 20 yr old within 3 weeks of Janet’s death, who may be a nice girl, but has really done nothing for the kingdom. Really what has she done in the spiritual realm, nothing. Not to say she won’t down the road but if a man has a history of having problems with young girls, says he is the man of God in charge of this large international ministry, it would make sense for him to choose a Proverbs 31 woman who is proven and can lend some real assistance to the ministry. Instead, Bob chooses with his “lil bob” and calls it Gods leading and uses a bunch of Old Testament scriptures about him being the high priest and how the high priest must marry a virgin, blah blah blah.
So Dave, just so I’m clear, this is the type of example you are saying all of us Ex-CT’ers need to follow. We’re wrong for leaving a ministry like this? We’re the one’s who have apostacized from the truth because we do not believe things like what I wrote above are wise and a pattern we need to follow?
Denny
This is so sad and funny all at once. It is good that God is merciful.
Bob “stopped being people” when he made himself Apostle, Prophet, High Priest , etc. When will he declare himself Messiah? The Second Coming of Christ? And should he need to create a Rapture, beware the Kool-Aid.
I wonder how so many people can plainly see all the highly questionable things this man does and not be repulsed. Especially this ridiculous Finish the Race Ministry. Ex-CTers- please, tell me how does he explain this one? I’ve visited the website and I just don’t buy it. Also, does everyone in the church actually know the story about he and Greer? How does that not send “WARNING! WARNING!” racing through one’s head? By the way- problems with young girls? Is this what Janet would turn in her grave if she knew about?
And this is directly copied from the church homepage, posted just 3 days ago: “Meekness is dying to self; every time God speaks we humble ourselves to obey. Every time the Word of God speaks, whether we understand fully or not, we obey because His Word is truth. Let God be true and every man a liar.” He preaches complete compliance, and he is apparently the Word of God. He is JUST a man! … who has a God-complex! If you do not “fully understand” (or disagree) you must be rejecting God, because Bob is the only man who can interpret the Bible accurately- plus he’s a GREAT example of a true Christian- right?
Did you know Hitler was loved by his people? And defended by them?
This is my own opinion… Calvary Temple is a CULT!!! Pastor Scott is controlling every single member in that church. I have a family member that goes there! so i have visited a couple of times and was soooo uncomfortable by the way the church does their service. the family member has changed and tries to defend their church and when the rest of my family knows it’s not a good church at all.
Now i think the only good thing that comes from the church is the courting. their are alot of good guys there with good morals.but when it comes to membership. i was visiting this family member and wanted to visit one of the church’s groups. but was told, it’s only for members so i wasn’t even able to visit to see what this group was all about. So in order to go to activites or groups you HAVE to be a member. CT doesn’t give you an opportunity to visit and attend activities and see if you like this church, enough to become a member. I was thinking, at MY church u are allowed to bring guest’s to groups and take as much time as u need to become a member while attending groups and making friends in the process.
Plus what’s up with the pastor marrying someone 30+ years younger. when i was visiting that church and was told who his wife is, my reaction was. “that’s just plain DISGUSTING!!”
Overall It’s my opinion that CT is a cult and pastor scott is controling everyone in that church. heck members their are stupid enough to not realize that they are being controlled. If he tells all of his member to shoot themselves. they all will shoot themselves to please pastor scott!!
My family member has changed a great deal since becoming a member in that church and the change is NOT IN A GOOD WAY. the FM has claimed that before the FM moved to Sterling. every christian is spiritually dead where my family lives. when in fact there are many churches here that teach the bible the right way and don’t twist the scripture to fit their lives, the churches up here have many opportunities to minister to the !!non-believers outside of the church(unlike CT)!
Calvary Temple is a Cult and i will never set foot in that church again!!!!
I am pleased to see that there is still fresh discussion on the problems at Calvary Temple. Here’s my two cents:
Perhaps it was the Lord who spoke to me recently, when my sister mentioned the Washington Post article on Calvary Temple, well over a decade since I’d attended services there. I am still in disbelief, both surprised and thankful that this destructive environment is being exposed to its members and the public at large. Hence, in the interests of furthering the cause of “spiritual” justice, I would like to share my small, but nonetheless relevant experience.
I began attending Calvary Temple church during the early 1990s with a couple whom I’d known for some time. I, like others who felt the pull to attend church there, sought a place of refuge from what I felt was an increasingly secular society, as well as the abusive confines of my then-employer. Additionally, as a conservative, I also felt I would be getting the validation I’d sought my entire life.
Well, even this conservative was offended. Not too long into my year-long affiliation with the church, I observed some troubling dynamics. The congregation as a whole seemed emotionally distant, excessively sober and even isolating towards me. But this, I later surmised, was part of its modus operandi, which excludes forging bonds with newcomers until they’ve convinced the church leadership of its good standing with God. Apparently, this could be bought with both unbridled deference and sizable sums of money.
But the environment there only served to ensure that I would not be supplying either one to that buffoon of a pastor and his henchmen. The proverbial straw for me was an incident that occurred on the heels of a church picnic, or some such event. After being told of another upcoming social event, I sought transportation from a fellow parishioner, as I did not then have a car. Much to my fortune (or perhaps misfortune), a young gentlemen at the church offered to bring me. Yet I was uneasy, as I sensed a palpable disapproval from those in my midst. My misgivings were later validated when I received a telephone call from the now-deceased Janet Scott, Pastor Scott’s first wife, who informed me that I would not have a ride after all.
Puzzled, I asked why. Much to my astonishment, I was told that they would not “allow” this man to pick up a new (read unscrutinized) member, and that it wouldn’t be appropriate lest something should happen. The church had thus found out about my arrangements and intervened to prevent his exposure to a newbie, as well as to prevent any potential for intimacy between the two of us. But I was nonplussed by their reasoning, thinking, “What right do these people have to derail my social plans”? And in such an overt fashion? But this gesture was merely symptomatic of the isolation and control with which they kept rein over church members.
I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry, but clearly, something had to be done. So I phoned the couple I was friendly with, expecting to get their support. But I was to be disappointed again: my friends, apparently ensnared by the church philosophy and tactics, gave me a spiel in which they rationalized and justified the leadership’s interference. Never mind that I was a friend, or that their oversight was unwarranted.
Not long afterwards, I wrote a farewell letter to the couple about my decision to quit the church, as I felt too troubled about the whole thing to entertain any more direct contact with them. I purposely avoided discussing my decision in depth, as it would only elicit more of the same blather I’d already heard. Who was it who said that to argue with a fool renders one a fool as well?
Sadly, and perhaps not coincidentally, I was diagnosed with clinical depression around the same time. Though there were other factors contributing to the onset of my illness, Calvary Temple unquestionably played a role in my personal demise. And I was one of the lucky ones.
For the sake of honoring my need to confront wrongdoers in my life, as well as those who have been similarly harmed, I support any efforts to expose and/or shut down the church’s operations. And let us not forget the Lord God himself. He deserves vindication as well.
Dear Chelsea,
I wanted to take a moment and thank you for taking the time to share your story. I am so sorry to hear that you are one of the many, many (hundreds and hundreds) people who have been hurt by that place. Families and lives have been destroyed. But God! Keep praying, my friend. God has heard the cries of His people. (See Ezekiel 34) He never slumbers nor rests. Keep praying Chelsea! Keep praying everyone; keep praying! For a time such as this!
Take care, Chelsea. May God’s peace be upon your heart this evening and always.
Hello Everyone. This is Star Scott II. I have been reading all of the postings over the last few months. I am finally posting to let everyone know that I am here to answer any questions for help and clarification. I have been one of the closest people to my Dad over the last 36 years. I have been in many meetings in the Back rooms and heard discussion about any and everyone at Calvary. I am here to “HELP” everyone see the Truth. HOWEVER, I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO PERSONAL BASHING’S OR FOOLISH DISCUSSION. But, being Truthful, Open and In the “Light” is the Best.
I do have a few quick things to say though. Of those that have left Calvary, there are some who are “Seeking Father & Serving Him Whole Heartedly”. And then there are some who have left and serving their flesh. Everyone can not be Judged in the same order. Also, it is to each an every Christian to Walk Out Their Own Salvation with Fear & Trembling. Everyone should be very careful in Judging others with knowing their Fruit.
I can Honestly say that I and my Family have been Hated, Ex-Communicated, Defamed, Slandered and Threatened! And none of it is Justified. I know for a fact, that I have sinned against NONE OF YOU who call me “EVIL” and plead for me to Repent to my Dad. If you are at strive with me, my family or other Ex-Calvary for your “PERCEPTION” of Rebellion to others. THEN YOU ARE THE ONE’S IN “SIN”.
As I have stated before, in my so called “EVIL” e-mail and at other times. We love and miss everyone at Calvary. We pray for you all daily. And we are here for anyone’s Help or Illumination.
In Him,
Star II
hehe, Dave,
How does it feel to be b*tch slapped by the Holy Ghost as speaking through believers like Big Black, Michelle, and everyone else on this board? Your (non)responses to their points of argument have been your signature comical evasion. Your deflectory criticism of this website leaves me in stiches!
I am not mad at you anymore; I know that there is hope that you will one day see the light, although it may take the Almighty to drop-kick your blessed assurance through the goal post of life. Maybe then, when your head has landed in the manure pile and a footprint bigger than the universe is glowing across your ample upturned behind, you may be able to reflect on how much you need mercy from God and your fellow man…
…the mercy that at one time you had denied to other Christians.
Toodle-oo, Dave
Dear Mr. Star Scott II,
So what you are saying is that all of the problems at Calvary Temple have been caused by other people, not by leadership?
Let’s not quibble about personalities. May I suggest a useful step for building a team spirit among your paltry remaining flock?
For starters, what may clear up some confusion is for CT to publish the financial books for income and expenses for the last 10 years to your congregation and briefly explain the financial choices.
I’m just sayin’
What is the deal with Calvary Temple? You all dwell on Pastor Scott OK well did all of you know Chuck LaRock has up and left and took the back door out of Calvary Temple with his entire family and his extended family after being a pastor there from my understanding for like twenty plus years? Now how responsible is he for all of you? Now at my church even I hear from ex Calvary goers about this and all other things Calvary. All I know is I am not perfect and dealing with me is plenty and I am responsible for helping my entire family to try to make it to heaven. Me, all of you and from Joel Olsteen to Pastor Scott and everyone in between we will all answer to God one day.
Hello Mr. Wright.
While I appreciate your comments, I am not sure what you are trying to say. We focus on Bob Scott because of the false doctrine and spiritual abuse that takes place at CT. We focus on Jesus and His Word and pray for the congregants of CT and other places like CT to be set free. As far as Chuck LaRock goes, I am not sure what you would like him to do. Yes, we know and we are all glad that he has come out of that place; we are confident that the Holy Spirit opened his eyes and led him out of there; therefore, we are confident that the work of the Holy Spirit is continuing, not only in Chuck’s heart, but in mine, in yours, and in everyone. I don’t know what you hear and I don’t know what you think…I guess I do have one question: did you read the article and the comments made by people on this blog?
So, again, this is and always has been about Jesus and His Word. We are praying and standing on the Word of God.
I am not asossciated with Calvary, but i have seen it rip families apart. I live in Sterling, and I know people who have or are in Calvary. I have learned enough to know that the followers are so zealous that it is borderline dangerous, and that Calvary ruined the lives of many others for not following the “true faith”. I personally am agnostic.I am not ashamed. My belief is that God put me on this Earth to live life freely, and he the fact he lets me live is reason enough to believe in him. He does not require i worship him day and night, only remember him. But, I am getting off track. I have read all the past comments, and I would like to point out a few things. Firstly, those who are slandering CT, please stop. If we do the same to them that they do to us, are we any different? The only way to win this battle will be through logic and deductive reasoning, not inflamed passion although i feel deeply for all of you who have found sorrow in this subject. I will tell of you now that I personally think Calvary is indeed a cult, or at the very best Bob Scott is no man of God. My reasons:
The 7 deadly sins: Pride, Greed, Envy, Wrath, Lust, Gluttony, Sloth.
Of these 7, Rob Scott fits into all of these but envy.
Pride: Bob Scott cannot be wrong. His word is the will of God. He is a divine being, and all others are less superior. Those who practice religious freedom are heathens.
Greed: Bob Scott spends over ten thousand dollars a month on various things. He uses The Calvary funds to pay for his things, and he lives a lavish lifestyle. If followers don’t pay up, they’re kicked out.
Wrath: If you go against the will of Bob, he will damn u with a vengance. He will irate you’re ignorance at the pulpit for all to hear. Where is the understanding? the compassion for fellow beings?
Lust: I don’t know about any of you, but when your wife has died, and you’re 55, you don’t force a 20 year old woman into wed-lock. Sex with a woman 35 years younger than you is just messed up, bordering pedophilia, and I am actually disgusted that the woman’s parents allowed Bob to do this.
Gluttony: The man is a high pastor of a local “church”, and he owns a lot of race cars. He also has a pool. Where is the Temperance? Is this where all the money the hardworking followers make goes? How would you like to give you’re money to the church so that Bob can buy himself a diving board?
Sloth: Someone posted that the Church is willing to take people back onto the “righteous path”. Yet you slander any one who leaves. No where as far as I know in the testament did Jesus say “if a sheep leaves the fold, damn him to hell and let him rot in his ignorance”. If everyone must hear the word of God, why would no effort be put into trying to bring an unbeliever to salvation?
You know, Calvary reminds me a lot of another “Church”. Scientology. You have to pay to join that one too. You can’t see family. You can’t live your life. Dave, you say that Calvary is about family and that you are not prideful or always correct. Yet all the people I know in Calvary have had their family divided. They are not on good terms, so to speak, because this Church ruined their lives. As for being humble, when has Bob Scott ever learned humility? He can’t learn it because he has totalitarian control over Calvary. Anyone who doesn’t like him is gone forever, and he isn’t the first to do this. Go back into history. Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler. Sound familiar? I may have only one side of this argument, but at least I am humble enough to admit it, Dave. Your argument is completely biased and sounds like it came straight from Bob’s text book. Do your church teachings bring you inner peace when you see families ripped apart? Does that seem like the kind of thing that God would approve?
God takes many forms, but so does Satan. Suffice to say I deeply regret that you are so zealous in your desire to be a puppet to your master that you cannot take the time to contemplate the bad as well as the good. I am not saying everyone should turn away from Calvary. I am not like your “exalted one”. I am saying that everyone should have the right to practice what they believe. After all, no matter what is practiced, all religions serve God. If Bob Scott doesn’t like other religions, he is denying the faith of God, and by that logic NOW who is the heathen?
No words needed:
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Who changes the oil
Who washes the cars
How much fuel do you use
Who pays for the fuel
Who pays to transport the cars
How much for the tires
How much does it cost to pay mechanics
How much does it cost to travel and stay at the sites of the drag races
That’s a lot of stuff to think about
There must be a lot of taxes, upkeep, transportation, fuel, etc. for all those race cars going from race to race as noted on the schedule on the finishtherace website
He built a special garage on the church property to house everything. He alone owns the church property outright, after he called his congregation for a “special push” to pay the property off so everyone would have a place to live in case things got really bad for the church, economy, etc. All of the cars and everything that goes with them is taken directly from the church funds by Pastor Scott. Since it’s a “Ministry” I believe he’s covered from the IRS.
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Hebrews 13 v7 tells us to consider the outcome of our leaders walk of faith.I appreciate the damage thats been done by false leaders.But we are called to weigh their actions and motives against the Word. If Jesus and his word were held in greater esteem life wouldnt be as troublesome. Having had some dialogue with “Dave” its fairly obvious the doctrine of CT is Old Covenant with Jesus having been replaced by “Capt Bob”. He will be held accountable for refusing to accept the grace of Jesus first and foremost. The Devil only has authority when we delegate it to him. Draw near to God Resist the devil and he Will flee from you. Scripture warns about false Shepherds Paul warned night and day with tears to the Ephesians about ferocious wolves coming in, the Ephesians seemed to take note as in revelation they had tried those that said they were apostles but they lost focus of their first love. Surely the issue is being more focused on Christ. (crzyfrog your doctrine is pretty good for an agnostic) “Dave” I believe you are a bit like Zaccheus caught up a tree exposed by Jesus and its his desire to have an intimate relationship with you like Zaccheus you dont deserve it but thats the wonderfull thing about grace. Pass it on to “Capt Bob” if you allow Jesus to come close he will reveal his love and allow you to deal with everything you have accumulated and the debt you owe. If this carries on the praise from men will become more empty, its God that is opposing you (not men) soften your heart today is the day.
This is 100 % TYPICAL of American/Canadian “christianity”.
Where I live it is no different.
joel rosenberg is a featured speaker on canadian “Christian” tv ie 100 Huntley Street – where he is free to spew his zionist propaganda.
Big bucks behind this “American” aka Israeli double agent. And the outlets he frequents are also well-funded propaganda pipelines.
Yeah – he had preknowledge of 911 BEFORE 911 – gasp gasp shock shock.
Of course he did – Israel divulged 911 as far back as 1979.
99% 0f “Christians” have their collective head up their own butt so far they need a rope around their ankles – and soon. Time is dwindling down, soon the antichrist will appear, the 666 will be mandatory, and true Christians will be hunted down and slaughtered.
Did anyone hear anything of the IRS coming into Calvary and taking some of Scott’s toys (motorcycles/race cars, etc.) and then Scott told his followers that he sold them for the church? Just a rumor maybe?
My girlfriend is now being threatened to get kicked out by her family for not going to Calvary. Are there any support or help groups that could help her? She would have nothing and shes just starting college. Her funding would vanish
Crzyfrog Perfect love casts out fear and fear has to do with torment.Its obvious Calvary uses fear to control,be encouraged to keep the faith with the one that promised to never leave us or forsake us,your girlfriend needs to honour her parents irrespective of the situation.Be prepared to put the college on hold if both of you keep trusting, God delights in turning what appear to be nightmares beyond our wildest dreams.I was close to a breakdown 20 years ago left by a Church that didnt have the faith or love to help,God turned up big time my assurance of his love at that time has changed who I am eternally.I beleive he will do the same for you. Dave (uk)
How many people are left at that Calvary place anyway. It seems like a ton of people have left and how can that Scott guy keep up his lavish lifestyle without the income?Is Scott getting ready to split the area?