Rick Joyner On Unity, Harmony and World Control
Rick Joyner claims:
“The year 2009 will bring extraordinary growth in faith and peace for those who serve the Lord. One major reason for this is because it will also be a year of extraordinary unity. There will be a coming together in the Body of Christ this year in ways that we have probably not seen in our lifetime. The result is going to be a release of even more power and light, which will result in ever-increasing faith and peace with His people.
{Endtimespropheticwords comment: The ‘coming together’ and ‘unity’ that Rick Joyner prophesies is the church aligning with his apostate band of false prophets and apostles in C Peter Wagner’s NAR. As I have previously remarked, unity on only their terms, is not unity at all, it is bullying dominionism.
If these guys in the NAR really loved unity and harmony, and really thought it were so necessary for “God’s purposes”, then they would give ground and come the other way also, just as they expect others to do - but they don’t! Everyone has to come to them on their terms only. Which really does say it all.
I also emphasis their elitism, especially among their own leaders – which is far from true fellowship or harmonious or true unity.
They talk about unity and harmony in order to manipulate, to quieten opposition and any dissention within their ranks [typical cult control], and to promote their own, and only their own, agendas.
Rick Joyner knows that his flock want “even more power and light” {note the new age overtones] and ”ever-increasing faith and peace” and so will hold this up as a dangling carrot to the hungry insatiable church. “You want more power, come and get it – under us! Come under the true apostles and prophets and get blessed – after all, you don’t want to miss it, do you by unbelief or rebellion or a religious spirit?” [That is unbelief and rebellion to them, not God.]
Yet the church ignore the scriptures at their peril as well as the NAR’s sleight of hand and empty promises – the scriptures to test all things and to have nothing to do with the deeds of darkness, and not to unite with “damnable” heretics, merchandisers, blasphemers and deceivers promoting the doctrines of demons as Rick Joyner er al certainly are.
The church should not unite under the NAR for the sake of ‘unity’, any more than they should unite with Islam, or Buddhism, or Hinduism, or Scientology, or the Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormons. They should not unite with, listen to or obey such liars and deceivers and false prophets within the NAR as they should not unite with Rev. Moon, Sai Baba, Charles Manson etc. The church has no fellowship with darkness – rather it is called to contend with and EXPOSE such works of darkness.
Now we come into some real scripture twisting by Rick Joyner below ….]
“The Church: Unity and Harmony
We have been covering ways that the Church is beginning to rise up to fulfill its last-day purpose of preparing the way for the Lord. Two primary ways that this is accomplished is by preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom throughout the world and building a highway for the Kingdom as we see in Isaiah 40.
In a basic way, the Church is called to be this highway. It is called to be a representative of the coming King and a reflection of His Kingdom upon which people enter and travel toward their ultimate destiny. One of the aspects of the Kingdom that we see in Biblical prophecy is that after the Kingdom comes, the earth will again come into harmony to the degree that even the lions will lie down with lambs, children will be able to play with cobras, and no one will hurt anyone else. Therefore, one of the basic ways that we can expect the Church to begin reflecting the Kingdom will be by her unity and harmony.
As we also see in Biblical prophecy, the world will fall into increasing confusion and conflict at the end of this age, so the Church will be moving in the exact opposite direction of the world in many basic ways. As fear increases in the world, the Church will be growing in faith and peace. One reason for this will be the increase of unity. Faith gets multiplied with unity. That is why the Lord said in Matthew 18:19, “…if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in Heaven.”
The word that is translated “agree” here means much more than just intellectually assenting to something; rather, it implies a deep heart unity. We can derive from His teachings several reasons why He requires faith to be unified with another in order to move in extraordinary ways. One is that the unity of His people is one of the primary issues on the Lord’s heart, which we see in His prayer in John 17. Another is that God gives His grace to the humble, and it takes all of the qualities of humility to come into unity with someone else.
Some teach that Matthew 18:19 is really saying that if we come into unity with the Lord and ask anything, then it will be done for us. Of course, that would be true, but this verse does say to “agree on earth,” which makes it quite clear that He is saying this agreement must be with another person.
In Genesis 11:6, the Lord describes the power of unity when speaking of what is happening with those who are seeking to build the tower of Babel: “And the Lord said, ‘Behold, they are one people, and they all have the same language. And this is what they began to do, and now nothing which they purpose to do will be impossible for them.’”
{But the building of the tower of Babel was wrong for ungodly purposes! See how Joyner twists and distorts the Bible!]
Unity does have that kind of power. As we discussed earlier, even a small degree of unity with a small group of people can have extraordinary impact. Karl Marx taught that just a tiny fraction of passionate people would control the rest who were indifferent. Lenin then proved this by taking over Russia, a nation of millions, with just 20,000 Bolsheviks. Likewise, if just a few thousand Christians came into unity and began to live with the resolve and willingness to sacrifice for their cause like the Bolsheviks did for theirs, the impact for light and truth would be so great that many nations would be transformed.
{Unto dominionism with the apostles in power – this is NOT the gospel in any sense, nor the church’s mandate. It is dangerous power seeking dominionism in an antichrist antigospel.]
Remember what the officials of one of the most powerful empires of the world said when Paul and Silas limped into their city: “Those who have turned the world upside down have now come to us!” (see Acts 17) That was just two people!
This year we are going to begin to see extraordinary results from Christians who begin to grow in unity. Resolve that you will be a part of it. Over the next few weeks we are going to address some of the practical ways that we will see this happen. To prepare for this in your own heart, begin to pray for your fellow Christians, especially for any who have disappointed you or wounded you in the past. Pray for them to be filled with the Spirit of God, to know His peace, and to grow in His faith. If there is anything that you can do to bring reconciliation to any degree, do it.
Rick Joyner
MorningStar Ministries”_____________________________
See also these associated articles -
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Rick Joyner On Liking Interesting Demons
And a real must read!
Testimony of Someone Involved with Rick Joyner and MorningStar
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WordPress created an auto-generated ‘possibly related post’ which asks “Why can’t you be exactly like me so we can have unity?” This sentence kind of sums up a lot of what counterfeit unity is about.
‘Lenin then proved this by taking over Russia, a nation of millions with 20,000 Bolshevicks.’
Yes! and Hitler took over with a handful of Nazis and Mussolini took over with a handful. Millions of innocent people died with these TAKE OVERS, what a stupid example!!! Or as I have comented elsewhere, maybe Joyner goes to the grave site of these guys to soak up some of the ‘TAKE OVER ANOINTING’
Funny how Rick Warren was recently quoted as saying to look to the people who followed Hitler and Mao as an example….
The wonderful thing about the Internet that anybody with brains can instantly see the truth about Rick Joyner and other false ones in NAR and Revival Alliance!
They now have a harder time to deceive many because many are becoming aware about them. And in this negative economy situation it is harder for the false ones to raise money!
I believe there will be unity, but NOT between Rick Joyners followers and true Christians who follow Jesus Christ no matter what cost. There will, I believe, be unity between them and New Agers. After all, I can hardly see any difference in their beliefs.Both believe in “The Angel” more than they believe in Jesus.
ANOTHER SPIRIT
The presence, power and gifts of this spirit become the dominating reality in life, while Jesus is subtly moved to the background.
He instils nice and relaxed feelings in you so that you forget all your problems and sins.
He convinces you through your supernatural gifts and experiences such as falling and laughing in the spirit that God is with you.
He uses people to instil ideas and suggestions in you that are supposedly from God, but are not in fact from Him.
He uses so-called ‘prophets’ as human mediators to convey messages to you about what God wants you to do. He also majors on extra-biblical revelations from God through dreams and visions.
He manifests his presence by way of sensual experiences such as ecstatic thrills, shivers in your body, a tingling in your skin, or a power that causes you to levitate or to be pushed down on the floor.
He removes guilt complexes on his own authority, without specific reference to the cross, and surrounds you with light and joy. You are ever dependent upon him.
By your supernatural experiences he makes you think you are born again, but he cannot regenerate your heart. He only manipulates your feelings and creates false impressions in your mind.
He does not convict of sin, and has no problems to live with lies, deceit, distorted versions of the truth, and moral laxity. He gives to people the false hope that they are saved and will go to heaven.
He does not make an issue of your sins. He ignores them and instead makes you feel guilty about things that are not sins. If you are a true believer he will accuse you of being critical of other believers and devoid of love.
He guides you through a process of inner healing to a spiritual reprogramming of your life in which the scars of the past, and even from before your birth, are put right by self-healing, positive confession and hypnotic regression.
He gives people an entirely new self-image, tending to pride, even arrogance. Their main purpose in life becomes a quest for new and more powerful spiritual gifts and attending exciting services where signs, healings, miracles and new revelations are experienced, also inviting others to such meetings.
An alien spirit produces a show of power to influence people and create the impression that they are in the presence of the Lord. Because people want to experience this power in their lives, they readily open themselves up to it. Without it they feel empty.
He teaches people to meditate. They switch over to their ‘right-brain’ to have mystical experiences and to hear strange voices. They empty their minds and withdraw themselves from reality to descend to the deeper levels of their subconscious mind which is ‘the world of the spirit’.
The emotions of people are manipulated by an alien spirit and they act like hypnotised captives. They may fall down, laugh, roar, bleat, howl or bark without knowing why they do so. The spirit of delusion gains authority over them.
He commands you and demands certain actions through prophecies uttered by other people. Driven by fear of disobedience to the prophet of God, you ignore your conscience by obeying a false prophecy.
You feel compelled to invite other people to meetings where events of false revival occur. There they can see exciting manifestations, experience healing, witness miracles, become drunk, laugh, dance, fall, prophesy and make animal noises in the ‘spirit’. You become critical and hostile towards all who react negatively to the modern revival movement. You are unaware that you are being deceived due to your mind being blinded and your emotions and senses being manipulated.
The leader of your worship group or church becomes a cult leader who prescribes your decisions and actions. You must obey him.
You receive gifts such as prophecy, healing, tongues, astral travel and clairvoyance. Spurious signs such as gold-dust appearing to fall on people, and other weird phenomena, may be the work of seducing spirits and consequently are false and occult in origin.
He tells you that you are a king already, who has dominion on earth and can claim and demand anything you like. You do not have to suffer poverty, disease, or other afflictions, and can change anything through positive confession. You are in command of your life
http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Engarticles/Deception.htm
Joyner doesn’t say what the resuls were of that socialist state…
Stalin killed millions of people! What Joyner is trying is creating a false unity and how can he use Karl Marx as an example? It’s human effort, not the real unity of the Spirit.
So he’s saying we should act like Lenin and the Bolsheviks and take over? How in the world is that a Christian example!?
An important thing to remember is that people most often come to power by promising the world to those at the middle to low incomes. Lennin did it, and then had all the major land owners shot, Hitler did it by bringing Germany out of the depression building his military machine, Mussolini by promising to restore the Roman Empire and to return the Italians to greatness! It is also interesting to note that the people at least in Lennins and Hitlers case ignored the writings and promises of both, such as them telling people beforehand of the millions of deaths they planned to orchestrate! IE Jews, and property holders and christians! Seems kinda familiar as I think people heard what they wanted to hear during the election and ignored all those things that could possibly put a damper on thier UTOPIA. Just as some on the right can be decieved into electing people who profess to be christians, who are not but promise moral laws and of course fiscal security. GOD BLESS!!!
Endtime,
I was looking at past prophecy post of yours. Did you not have a prophey for these NAR leaders posted. I found the prophey for Gloria Copland that was all I could find.
Just wondering, did you feel in your spirit that the earthquake vision/dream that Jonh Kilpatrick was speaking of earthquakes is talking about cities in the United States on a Spanish map? Il. , Mo. , Ms., As John Kilpatrick felt?
I’m still trying to learn and seek correction if I missed the interpt. I have to admit I sometimes have a hard time seperating my personally feeling from what I feel the Holy Spirit is speaking. (still learning and in need of correction when needed.) Also I know (who am I compared to these Big leaders with all this Bible collage background).
John ask on the site if anyone gets anythig to please send it to him. He is big, I am little so who am I? Plus there is a very good chance I am wrong. Endtime did you disern anything?
Sherry Lee
Sherry
There is a link that should catch most of my posted prophecies on this site here: http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/category/prophecies-of-miriam-franklin/ I am not sure though which one you could be referring to?
To be honest, because I know John Kilpatrick is a false prophet and know some of the false spirits that surround him and are the source for his “prophecy”, I did not give his prophecy any credence. I know also quite a few of his associates have allegedly seen stuff to do with the Madrid Fault Line – but correct me if I am wrong, but prophesying something like this is not far off prophesying another quake will hit California one day .
And furthermore if I know the source of something ain’t God and is demonic, even if the information actually be true, I have no interest in listening.
I think your insights are by and large correct, albeit I think they come from a different source to his dream. And come from your extra meditations, rather than his dream being divine. I could be wrong, but those are my thoughts.
By all means if you get anything email John with it.
Not in the sight of God, my lady! And also he said, email him, didn’t he?!
Prof. Johan Malan, University of the North, South Africa has an excellent website on Spiritual Decline and False Teachings http://www.bibleguidance.co.za/Librarylists/Englisharticlelist%20Spiritual.htm
He decries the lack of spiritual discernment in the body of Christ and lack of knowledge of the Word of God . But true spiritual discernment comes not only from the Word of God but from the Holy Spirit who has been given to us to be another Helper, the Spirit of truth, (JN 14:16-17), teacher, and reminder (JN 14:26). The Holy Spirit is part of the God head and is a real person who is not to be ignored or grieved by Christians (Ephesians 4:30). Everything that is taught by men concerning so called truth or the word of God is to be checked with the Holy Spirit for His verification especially as there are many liars, deceivers and even another Jesus and another spirit.
It is sad but many professing Christians live fleshly lives that are not crucified to sin (Lk. 9:23; Gal. 6:14). They do not heed the commands to holiness in 2 Corinthians 7:1, Galatians 5:16 and 1 Thessalonians 4:1-8. They don’t understand their dependence on the Holy Spirit for sanctification and putting off the old man and putting on the new man. As a result some Christians try to work things out in their own strength and others just give up trying!
A friend of mine sent me your link on the Jewish roots movement because there is a woman from my church and her husband who have been going to classes or “Bible study” where there is much of what seems like interpreting scripture via Jewish tradition.One thing that really bothered me and I spoke to this woman about it, was the teaching that while hell is real it is not eternal, she used Col 1:20 and the word in greek Aeon which means”age” to back this heretical teaching up. I even talked to the asst. Pastor and supposedly they were taking care of the situation. But she and her husband are still going to this woman’s classes and are leaders in a shepherding group @ my church. I think I need to go again to the Pastor and ask why thay are in leadership position and possibly find a new church.This teaching flies in the face of scripture first and foremost, church history of justification and seems catholic….like a type of purgatory.What say you?
Jesus gave the glory He recieved from the Father to those who would believe the message of the disciples that they may be one as He is one with the Father, so that the world would know that he has been sent by the Father and that the Father loves us as He loves Jesus (john17:21-23).So I guess unity or rather oneness is pretty high on Jesus’agenda for His believers.Now everyone has their own idea of unity and oneness..mine is simply this..let everyone listen to Jesus first,follow Him,practice His words under the supervision of the Holy Spirit, before they listen to anyone else,or follow anyone else or practice anyone else’s words, and be under no one except the Lord. In this way, truely we can walk shoulder to shoulder, and what business then is it of ours how another is following Jesus(John21:22)Why worry about the messenger(Courier)..check the message..what’s wrong with a year of greater unity and faith amongst those who are listening to Jesus,following Him,practicing His word under the supervision of the Holy Spirit. Frankly, I find that if you busy yourself listening to Jesus instead,worry about following Him,and getting the practice of His words right yourself, you will have little worry or fear of the ‘falsies’. It is the sheep that strays from the shepherd that has to fear the wolf, but the sheep that stays close to the shepherd has nothing to fear.If the twelve has listened to Jesus and went to bethsaida immediately instead of waitng until dark to go to Capernaum,thay would not have been stuck in the middle of the lake in the dark going nowhere with the wind against ,fearful of who is approaching.(After the feeding of the 5000).Everyone who listens to the Holy Spirit already knows what is to come(John 16:13),and has no need for prophets really,Agabus’message did not add to Paul’s foreknowledge of what awaited him in Jerusalem. A year of unprecedented unity and faith for those who belong to Jesus with Jesus?.Amen. Dr.Ed.a footstool of Jesus.
ps..perhaps a better example of two in agreement would have been Jonathan and his armour bearer..but both of those were embarking on a suicide mission if God didn’t back them up. Now..we know what happened to the Philistines that day. And when you can’t find someone to agree with you, then be inspired Shammah,who stood alone against the Philistines while Isreal fled. One man/woman with Jesus is more than enough, two is better..a whole church, now that’s God’s dream come true.Dr.Ed
Mariam,
Thank You for your insight and reply. That is what I thought might have happened. My extra meditiation on the drean/vision. Then when I woke up quoting 1 John 2:2 & 1 John 4:10 It talks about Jesus forgives everyone who repents.
My long study of the whole book of 1 John took me in the direction of the antichrist spirit and all the false apostles, prophets, teachers that are now on the world sceen.
Which was a study the Lord was probably speaking to me about. Not Johm Kilpatrick.
There is much danger in the churches in my area. Seems like there are more false than true (if that is possible one area of the world is worst than others? Or else there are many ministries preaching truth, but I seem to manage to go to ones preaching this nutty stuff :O) somehow?)
Could be happenstance that the Cities on the Spanish map were also spanish words, speaking of money, legal and wave. Satan is sly. I have been tricked more than I’d care to tell.
I have met and listen to John Kilpatrick preach many years ago. He came to my town for a 3 day free conference. I think at that time he was pure and right in his teaching. It is so sad for me to see him go the way of Balaham. (I feel he really knows better! He’s going with the popular!)
I think I will pray and seek the Lord. I won’t sent him my interpert unless I really feel a release from the Father. Since in all likely hood it is my own thoughts.
(if I sent the interpt I would have to speak plainly and say the interpt is probably my own thoughts after meditiating on the dream/vision, not of The Holy Spirit. To allow him to even think it was from The Holy Spirit by omission of that fact is still a lie. ) it would sound as though I was a person that was just being mean and hurling out my own opinion of him and his ministry.
Thanks again so much for the insight and teaching.
Blessing,
Sherry Lee
When you speak through religion and not love then something is lost and the faith hope and passion that love brings is diminished. JESUS is LOVE and when he says unity it means for us all, not just those ‘who think they are chosen. LOVE WILL INDEED BRING UNITY HE WILL ‘CALL US OUT FROM THE HOUSES OF MAN AND INTO HIS HOUSE OF THE GREATEST PASSION FOR HIS PEOPLE THAT MAN HAS/WILL EVER SEE. JESUS’S GREAT LOVE WE ALL NEED ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT.Its a pity some think they are, have and will be his only. WE ARE ALL HIS ONLY. PEACE BE WITH THOSE OF YOU WHO LIKE US ALL NEED HIM TO LOVE YOU WHEN MANS HAS RUN DRY.
see also http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/01/28/rick-joyner-treads-all-over-word-of-god-to-promote-todd-bentley/
To exclude any non christian from supposed unity should ring alarm bells to you all. If your father said yes to one and no to another is that not division and remember the church needs you to believe they are the leaders and chosen ones, they think. Jesus didn’t need a ‘church’ (building)infact he showed us who they were in revelations when he said look at the church of man and then turn to me then I will send you out free from religiosity to LOVE MY PEOPLE. You don’t need a church to love you or be loved by they do, what we all need is to know that when earthly no longer is enough and people let us down that there is someone to take us into his loving heart even though we may feel like filth in comparrison. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT HELLS BELLS ARE RINGING FROM THE TOWER OF BABEL THAT IS BECOMING HIS SO CALLED CHURCH. Have mercy Lord on the pharisses.
Polycarp made some good comments here
http://thechurchofjesuschrist.wordpress.com/2009/01/28/rick-joyner-church-unity-but-only-after-he-is-victorious-in-the-civil-war/
“Ah, Rick… The Body of Christ has never been at war with itself. Granted, individuals have attempted to destroy it or carve out for themselves their own kingdom, but the Body of Christ is united by Christ through the bond of the Spirit. (Ephesians 2.22)
I do not want to spoil Rick’s fun here, or give away the rest of the story, but the highway in Isaiah 40 was prepared by John the Baptizer (Matthew 3.3). It is clear by allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture that the highway has been built, and those preparing another highway is building a highway away from God.
Rick is confusing the two highways found in Isaiah as one. First, there is a way prepared by John for Christ; then there is the highway of holiness found in Isaiah 35.8. This is the Church, the path to God, but it is not a path for Christ to return to earth. The basic tenant of the Kingdom mythology is that groups like Joel’s Army will prepare a way for the coming of Christ, by first converting the world to Christianity, rather, their demonic form of it. If you confuse the two, and stretch it a bit, then you can perhaps see some measure of their corruption.
Some teach that Matthew 18:19 is really saying that if we come into unity with the Lord and ask anything, then it will be done for us. Of course, that would be true, but this verse does say to “agree on earth,” which makes it quite clear that He is saying this agreement must be with another person.
What Rick excludes from this passage is the entire passage itself. It is about admonishment by the Government of the Church. John Calvin, a commenter who I would trust more than Rick, says,
Simply, this passage is about Church government, and the proper way to maintain order – to the exclusion of unity at times. This is not about increasing faith or having God move in extraordinary ways, but having obey God’s symphony, whether from the heaven or the earth.
Now, I may be twisting words here, but is Rick really wanting the Church to become Babylon? Marxists? Or Bolsheviks? Is that the unity – based on greed, fear, and religion – that Rick wants for the ‘Church’? (Remember, Rick Warren compared the Church to Hitler Youth) Bare in mind, that the groups that Rick mentions were in man made unity, and at least one was unified against God.”
see also http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/01/31/shawn-bolz-bill-johnson-rick-joyner-the-upcoming-%e2%80%98civil-war%e2%80%99-in-the-church/