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Eric Von Anderseck’s Mind Bending Second8thweek Group

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“The group is growing by leeps and bounds. I know, I went through the first two orientation sets and attended one assembly on line before I realized what I had gotten into and withdrew from the school and broke all associations with them.

… I had to fight to get my own mind back after just two orientations and one assembly. It is not worth it.”

See here for the original post and more details about the group.

February 11, 2009 - Posted by endtimespropheticwords | Cults, Eric Von Anderseck, False Prophets and Teachers, Joanne Cremer, Prophecy, Second8thweek ministries | , , | 26 Comments

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  1. Hi
    I Listened to about 5 of the videos of so called teaching of Joanne Cremer and have been feeling like my head is just scrambled. Does anybody know if Is there a site available for people who survived this false teaching. I tried the conquering love but it seems to be a place to meet singles. I don’t get the conection if there is one off that site to what I might need. Joanne cremer site in my opinion is very very dangerous. Thanks for listening.

    Comment by Dancer | February 12, 2009

  2. Dancer

    Talk here! There are ex members that come here.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | February 12, 2009

  3. Hi Dancer, even today I was fighting the feeling of total depression, deeper than I had ever felt. I got alone with God and He reminded me that even where I considered myself unfaithful by being deceived through my desire to know more, that He was forever faithful and that His grace towards me was not dependent on my faithfulness, but on Jesus’ finished work. It has only been a few days for me and each day so far has been a fight for my life, but God and I are winning. I got very sick after that online assembly. The headaches are finally subsiding and the sick flashes and feelings of weakness are subsiding also. I look forward to tomorrow because I know I am one step closer to ending the effects that that site, curse of that site had on my life. I am praying for the ones who so blindly are into it. If God had not loved me so much, I would be one of them. Praise be unto God who causes me to triumph.

    Comment by Hopeabounds | February 13, 2009

  4. If and when either of you are up to it, I would be interested to hear more of your experiences, why you joined them, what they claimed etc.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | February 13, 2009

  5. I have to get off to start work, but I can reveal this. They offer you teaching to lead you into worshipping in spirit and in truth, making your worship fit for God’s presence. I had discovered God’s grace, was very new in it and I guess wanted to go deeper into his grace. They offer tools to do it right that only are taught through the Apostles office. They start off by discussing how other ministries are only trying to get money for selling their false forms of gospel. They are not telling complete lies, they are just pulling a satan on the mountain top version, truth mixed with a touch of lies. The orientation was not bad, not too bad teaching, but the still I felt like I had to empty myself of everything in order to receive what they were pushing. (I had only been working on the orientation for only about a week) Then at the Assembly, that was when it got strange. She was talking about orbs surrounding adam and eve, that they didn’t even have skin until they sinned, that they had God’s power to create just with their thoughts, etcs. While this was going on, Eric was writing these so called words of offering before God which totally distracts you from what Joanne is saying. Before I knew it, I was sick as a dog and unable to quit crying. They dismissed it as a satanic attack and that I was to weak and to young in Christ to know what it really was and that I needed to resist satan, get stronger. They told me when I wanted to fast and pray before continuing that fasting would not take the place of the truth and that truth was what I was receiving. They took what I wrote during my orientation where I agreed with what was being taught, which was basically basic description of what was being taught wrong in the church as well as basic bible teaching that I could not tell was wrong, I guess enough deception had come in by that second orientation. They took the fragments of what I wrote and used them to try and shame me into staying, but they were counting on me getting mad. I may have been abused as a child and rejected in almost every church because people don’t understand my son’s disability (he is autistic), but I have learned something since my salvation and it is not to put up with being bullied into believing something. So, I sent an email, rejected them and the school. It has been a fight, but one will never forget and next time not be so easily deceived.

    I hope I make sense. Ask any question and even though I still feel some shame, I want to keep others from falling into it, so I will answer the questions.

    Comment by Hopeabounds | February 13, 2009

  6. Please don’t feel shame. Lift up your head – if you have repented you are forgiven!

    Thanks so much for sharing this.

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | February 13, 2009

  7. Where was the assembly?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | February 13, 2009

  8. And did you first hear of them online – what via youtube?

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | February 13, 2009

  9. Thank you. The assembly was online. I can’t recall the format she used, if I can recall it, I will let you know. Actually, I heard her first on Godtube, now Tangle. If you have not listened to her, her voice is very alluring, very soft, very seducing you could say. Be careful, she will take you by surprise. She uses words that sound very encouraging, especially to the hungry and to the dejected and like me the ones who want so much to show God you love Him, but feel inadequate. Now I realize, its okay that I don’t know how to love Him like I want, He loves me anyway.

    My work site was down, I work on line, waiting for it to come back up so I was able to come back on and answer you.

    Comment by Hopeabounds | February 13, 2009

  10. Hi
    I had just a day or so before the experience with Cremer, discovered the God Tube site , now called Tangle.com, so I was brousing the site , listening to various sermons and music videos, when i saw her very colorful ads to view the videos. I was attracted to it for a number of reasons. One was the talk of end time theolgy, which I have had an interest in, and the fact that she promised a link to get free bible education.Looking back, it certainly seems like a get rich quick scheme , not with money but spiritual gifts and a closeness to God. I am/was a struggling christian, who was seeking to get closer to Jesus. I was reading my bible , lots, but unfortunately not the New Testament , other than the 4 gospels. I was reading to get through the bible in a year, so had not yet reached that far.I was also watching tv gospel programs like Huntley Street, Joyce Myers , etc. My prayer life wasn,t really rich though, and I guess I was hoping for a break through, which is a term Cremer used on her videos..I believe that was kind of promised. It was what seemed an upbeat message about overcoming and getting closer to God and pleasing Him more, with real fruits of the spirit instead of weak works of the flesh like tithing, or continualy buying christian books . I have bought alot of books and still felt like I was not a very “on fire for Jesus” type Christian. That was what I wanted and I believe that that is what was promised . I signed up for the education , and was going through the orientation.Something inside of me though must of knew that something was not right here. I got nervous when it was stated that I would recieve the gift of tonques. I know people who have that gift , and they love the Lord, but this seemed odd to me. I knew I had already been baptised by the Holy Spirit, 30 years ago and at that time did not recieve a gift of tonques, so I did not think this was from the Lord, for me. I stopped viewing the videos then, but felt totally like I had gotten myself into a big spiritual mess. I felt lost, condemmed, hopeless, and felt that I would die physically and be cut of from Jesus. I could not sleep that night. I woke and prayed earnestly but found no relief. I paced the floors the next day, and called some prayer lines for prayer for myself. Later that day, my friend came and I told her how lost and hopeless I was feeling, and that I was afraid of something terrible that I did which was to abandon the faith that God had given me and followed other teaching. She prayed for me and only then did I feel any relief. A bible passage came into my mind, and a hymn..which was The old rugged Cross. I told her about this and she said the same hymn came to her…so that was a bit of comfort. She also said that she felt assured that I would sleep peacefully that night, and I did. It was probably the best I slept in years, so that was a comfort, but the next day, being alone I felt strong depression. I kept reading my bible outloud and read a few hymns. I do not feel very good about myself for going there. After reading in First Timothy ( I believe) that in the last days , some would abandon their faith. I wondered if this is what I did. Also I read that there would be a falling away from the faith before the AntiChrist would be revealed, so again, I wonder about the gravity of what I did , by listening and paying attention to those teachings. I am the type of Christian who has needed lots of assurance and find it difficult to go very long without any. I feel like I have gotten away from it but I do not know what damage I,ve done to myself, and whether now I will still be able to walk with Jesus. I am just trying to live moment by moment. I don’t feel all the strong condemnation but I am not on the mountain top either, which is where I would rather be. I also find my mind is quite distracted and cannot follow conversation very well. I think it is because I am inward looking for a sign that I,ll be okay. I do not not know how to test myself . It is pretty scary . I hope the door shuts on that teaching before others go through. I hope that this will help someone.

    Comment by Dancer | February 13, 2009

  11. I had written an answer, but for some reason it is not appearing, so I will go again.

    The assembly was on line. I don’t remember the format. I first heard her on God tube or Tangle. Her voice is very alluring and enticing and somewhat comforting especially to the lonely, the dejected and in my case the one who just wants to love God deeply, but feels inadequate to do so. She uses enticing words that are not complete lies. She gets you where it hurts, the fact that you have tried everything and have not been successful as others have and so you fall into the trap because she tells you its okay and she will show you have to get in with God better than the others. The “tools” to the Holy Priesthood. I hope this one stays on. With my luck, I will send this one and the other will show back up. Anyway, I am forgiven and I am sooooo glad His love endures forever.

    Comment by Hopeabounds | February 13, 2009

  12. see…told ya. As soon as I hit submit, the other showed back up.

    Comment by Hopeabounds | February 13, 2009

  13. Hi Again
    Another night , no sleep. I feel as if I am burning inside and can,t find rest. Also wonder if I am losing interest in the true things of God. Does anybody else feel like this.

    Comment by Dancer | February 13, 2009

  14. I have a desire and call to help folks caught in deception. My website is stil under construction but have an active forum. I know I need to write some stuff diretly related to deception recovery.

    Hopeabounds, it sounds like you have been through a lot. And yes, a lot of folks don’t understand autism, PDD, Aspergers.

    I can say that telling your story and what you have been through can be a part of the healing journey.

    Other things are needed as well.

    Comment by peacebringer | February 13, 2009

  15. oops, my email was incorrect miriam. it is now correct.

    Comment by peacebringer | February 13, 2009

  16. I wrote two other posts on here and they disappeared where I tried to answer your questions Miriam. I can try again.

    Comment by Hopeabounds | February 14, 2009

  17. okay, either my computer is wacked or this thing takes them down and brings them back up at will…oh well.

    Comment by Hopeabounds | February 14, 2009

  18. All messages are moderated before appearing live, and I am moderating them now as we speak!

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | February 14, 2009

  19. Your right Peacebringer. The road back, even though I was only in it for a week, feels like I was in it for years. The feelings of stupidity is really bad some times. I will be okay. I have endured pain before and so this is not something I have not dealt with before. I know it will take less time to go through this time. My biggest problem is besides God who do I trust. My poor pastor looked at me tonight during music pratice and I started to question what he says. That was so crazy. He teachs straight scripture. He would never on purpose hurt anyone.

    I cry a lot and I also laugh a lot. I turn 47 tomorrow and I will turn 47 in the arms and under the waterfall of God’s grace. I am so blessed at the way He loves me. So tomorrow, after I finally sleep tonight, I will laugh and enjoy my life on the first day of age 47.

    Comment by Hopeabounds | February 14, 2009

  20. Happy Birthday, sweetie :)

    Comment by endtimespropheticwords | February 14, 2009

  21. Thank you Miriam. Dancer, I am not losing interest in the things of God, but I am fighting to hold on and I will hold on. I will not loose Him. I will not give Him up. He is all I have ever wanted and I will not give in to what I feel now. I will never give in.

    Dancer, this is for you and me both. God loves you. He will not ever let go of you. If you are losing interest in the things of God, that is satan. He has come to steal, kill and destroy. Tonight, I will sleep like a baby in the arms of her daddy.

    These words are coming to me. My peace I leave you, my peace I give to you, not as the world gives. He is leaving His peace with us.

    I have a nagging feeling about someone commenting on this site Miriam. I don’t fully trust my discernment now, but I keep getting the sense to not trust someone on this site who is commenting. I am asking God to reveal it to us both. I just can’t shake it and I must go with it. I have had this before and was correct, boy am I glad to feel it. If I don’t respond candidly it is becaused I have been warned, just like now when I started to write something else.

    Well, in about 20 minutes I will be 47. I am going to get some sweet sleep.

    Comment by Hopeabounds | February 14, 2009

  22. Hi
    I,m just wondering if other people who listened to those teachings by Joanne Cremer, have totally recovered. I feel I am still floundering. Does anybody know if there is a support group. Thanks

    Comment by Dancer | March 2, 2009

  23. Hi,

    It is a dangerous thing to search for a deeper relationship with Jesus outside of the Bible. I know, I did it also. That is how I got taken in with the Chuck Pierce, Cindy Jacobs, Dutch Sheets, Bill Hamon’s, Benny Hinn, Mike Bickle, c. Peter Wagner, Rick Joyner, James Goll and all the NAR gang.

    I got all the books. I was dissatified with my relationship with Jesus. I wanted that close intimate passionate walk with Jesus that they all claim they have. They claim they are so close to Jesus that He talks with them one-on-one daily. They are never in doubt about anything. They talk to Jesus He replies.

    I desired to be like the deciple John “Jesus called John the one He loved.” The scripture that says, “I no longer call you servant, I call you friend, and I tell my secrets to my friends.” I felt a longing for that depth with Jesus when I read that scripture.

    These NAR people said they had that depth. In my hunger for this deep relationship I searched outside the Bible. I spent hunderds of dollars buying there books to learn how to get such a relationship. I believed they had what I was searching for. After all they claimed they did and would a Minister of the Gospel of Jesus Christ lie?

    I learned all the ways they teach you to pray, seek, go into that secret place with Him. Get behind the veil etc….

    I spent all that money and got no closer. I was very flustrated to the point of just laying it all down and walking away. But then I ask myself, “where would I go?” Back is not a option. To stand still you get stagnat. In fact I was getting futher away from the Jesus of the Bible with every book I bought.

    Then one day out of the blue it came to me from way off someplace in my rememberence. You know Jesus through His Word. {The Holy Bible} you are to have faith in His Word. Faith comes by hearing His Word.

    That began my journey back. That is when my eyes began to be opened to the false in the NAR teachings. They are rich men and women from the sales of these false teaching books to those hungery and searching for a deeper relationship with Jesus.

    I think that is how people get caught-up in the cults. They are hungry and searching for a deeper walk with Jesus outside of His Word. Their motive is good, but just maybe we want it all without all the pain of dying to self? Searching outside of the Holy Bible is a very dangerous thing indeed!

    Glad to be back!
    Blessings,
    Sherry Lee

    Comment by Sherry Lee | March 3, 2009

  24. I have started an apostle Eric info page @ http://heforgives.org/Apostle_Eric_the_Apostate_apostle.html

    If any person has experience with Eric and would like to submit their testimony I will post it.

    I know that I could copy and paste what is written here and that you can also. BUT,I recently found out that if that is done Google and the search engines would rank that page and this page lower, reducing the chance that it will be seen by anyone.
    For the Kingdom, Steve Page

    contact@heforgives.org

    Comment by StevePage | October 10, 2009

  25. Hi There All,
    My son and his wife are extreamly involved in theteachings of Eric Von Anderseck. I g\have read some of the teachings and it seems so real and plausable, however having received the Holy Spirit and reling on the Spirit of discernment, I have a very uneasy feeling with it all. I have never fallen for any belief/group that bashes another religion as being ‘False Prophets’ etc, and it seems to be tha major tone of this Cult. MAybe I am totally off key and out of line here, but I am certainly going to pray long and hard about trying to find some sort of peace with this group. Please posr more of your experiences of this group, if you have any.
    Thanx :-)

    Comment by Kate | November 26, 2009

  26. Kate,

    You are right to feel uneasy about it all. Eric VonAndersecks teachings are so against scripture it defies belief. BUT!! you have to dig a little in to them in order to uncover his heresies. For one he does not make all his teachings public and one only gets them when one enrols in his classes.

    I, fortunately have some of his teachings on mp3 format that are not in the public domain. I have tried to discuss them with him both privately and publicly to no avail. he will not discuss them and avoids the subject. His understanding of scripture is from the interpretation of his own mind and not from the Holy Spirit.

    Here is some things he believes.
    1. That God called him to be THE! apostle to the whole of the North american continent through a dream from the Apostle John and a dream featuring Enoch.

    2. That an angel spoke to him in a pre-birth revelation when he was a spirit in heaven before being sent to earth and the angel commisioned him for the end times to preach the real gospel.

    3. the WHOLE church worldwide is in error and only he and those he commisions have the truth.

    4. That you can believe in the Lord Jesus with all your heart but you are not saved until you receive the spirit evidenced by tongues.

    5. all pastors that lead churches and will not recognise his authority are TARES and they preach a false gospel.

    6. He teaches that the bible as we have it is a lie of Satan and there should be other books in there which he regards as scripture. An example is the books of Adam and Eve which I have read and they are false. And why do I say that? Because in them Adam commits suicide and offers his own blood as a sacrifice for sin and God accepts it.

    Does that contradict scripture or not is the question? I wholeheartedly say yes and would never follow an apostle that teaches such things are ok.

    7. he believs and teaches that there is a third covenant in heaven which is that we will become creators like God.

    8. He teaches that there is another baptism in heaven called the baptism of LITE which happens when we are TAKEN into God’s soul and all truth is revealed to us and then we will be like him being able to create.

    My question would be what would we create…other human beings? and if so would we be worshipped by them?

    Or would our creative abilities be limited to plants planets and animals?

    9. he believes that there will be alien lifeforms walking around the earth at the endtimes and we will be communing with them.

    10. He believes that angels appear to him in the form of purple and white orbs. They dont say anything they just appear.

    Google “are purple orbs angels” and see what you come up with.

    He also believes that ENOCH was transformed into one of the highest angels and has wings and is in charge of the creche in heaven where the souls of departed children go. BUT!! he also teaches that they must come back to earth in the bodies of adults to undergo a salvation experience.

    I could go on and on but that is enough would you say. Ask your son and his wife to verify these things with Eric if he has not told them these things already.

    Also, Eric and his wife have not been in a church for over twenty five years and they do not fellowship with other believers. I personally do not believe they are true believers at worst or at best are seriously deceived ones. Hope this helps.

    Greg.

    Comment by Greg | November 28, 2009


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