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Jesus Christ Returning In Manifest Sons of God and Their Dominionism

A comment by NOLR History that I wanted to flag up -

“The core theosophy from which the NOLR (New Order of the Latter Rain)/NAR (New Apostolic Reformation) was formed inevitably leads the participants to believe THEY ARE JESUS CHRIST COLLECTIVELY!!

Moreover, they secretly (but now more openly) believe the Second Coming per Revelations 1:7 “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him…” as a metaphor for the “Manifest Sons of God” (them) to corporately demonstrate, through [their] signs and wonders that Christ has returned and now resides/taken up residence in their bodies corporately.

This is why the Copelands, the Hinn brothers, the Crouches, etc. can say arrogantly “I am” as they believe Christ is fused with their soul. Of course they are all doomed for believing this, but that is besides the point. Here is an excerpt from an article written by a Shaker found in the Western Reserve Historical Society (1723-1952) illuminating the Shaker’s hermetic, alchemystical and Kabbalist belief about the Second Coming that parallels that of the NOLR/NAR.

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Sampson, Proctor. “Reasons For Uniting with the People called Shakers: Comprised in a brief sketch of the Author’s religious exercises, and a brief statement of the peculiar doctrines & practices of that people, copied from the Author’s Manuscript, by Alonzo G. Hollister.”  (August 5, 1888) Shaker Collection of the Western Reserve Historical Society, Book VI: B-41, reel 52, pp. 57-62. (spelling errors left in for historical authenticity) p.57

Millennium or Second Coming of Christ “He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.” From the first declaration of God to man after his fall, The seed of the woman shall bruise the serpent’s head, it is evident that the mind of Infinite Wisdom purposed a work, that should in due time, redeem man from his lost state, & from the power and dominion of the serpent which he by the fall, imbibed into his nature. For this work, God has been preparing the way for his final complete redemption, according to the times & seasons which the Father reserved in His own power, and the degree of preparation mankind are in, to receive the increase of good, which God designs he shall partake of. God never arbitrarily withheld His light & good from the lost race of man, but has dispensed to every age, to every nation, to every individual, as much as could be of good use to them, according to the state in which those ages – those nations – & those individuals were. Abraham appears to have been favored with more of the manifestations of God, than any individual had previously been, after the fall. A further dispensation was given the children of Israel, thru Moses. Yet this was but a figurative representation of that perfect manifestation of the Father, made thru Jesus Christ, & therefore, in power & degree, far short of the perfect work. Jesus Christ, in his first appearing, did perfectly in the work he was appointed to do in that prepared body which he took upon him. As he says, near the close of his life, “I have glorified Thee on earth; I have finished the work Thou hast given me to do”. But as it respected others, his work on earth was not completed. And it was to be in his second coming, when God should effectually judge the secrets of men by that man who He hath appointed, that the finishing work of God among mankind should take place; his gospel be preached to every creature, and then the end shall come. As Jesus & his Apostles had foretold the falling away from that power an holiness in which they stood, they also foretold a time when “Unto them that look for him, shall he appear a second time, without sin, unto salvation, & that he in his second coming, would set up a kingdom on earth, that should never be supplanted nor overthrown, but should increase to the final restitution of all things; when the “Saints of the Most High should take the kingdom and possess it forever & ever.” It is known to those who are acquainted with the Scriptures, that many of the prophets speak of a time of blessedness to be among mankind, beyond what has ever taken place. Hence many who are familiar with the Scriptures have written abundantly of the Millennium, or Christ’s reign of a thousand years on earth. and tho’ these writers may be mistaken in their calculations of the time for its commencement, & tho their ideas concerning the manner of the work may in many respects be far from the truth, yet, that such a time should come, the prophecies in both Testaments abundantly declare. The opinion that Christ should personally appear on earth at his second coming, & many other equally erroneous opinions concerning his second coming, are doubtless owing to that mistaken sense by which all natural men must judge, when they read the Scriptures. The notion that he will personally appear in the natural clouds of the firmament, so that all mankind shall se him with their natural eyes, at one & the same time, is contrary to the real import of Scripture, as well as sound philosophy. That he will appear [has appeared] in the clouds of heaven, & that in the progress of his work, every eye shall see him, we confidently believe. But what clouds? The clouds of his witnesses. And what eye? The eye of faith, in the mind; whereby every one, in the preaching of that gospel (which is the power of God unto salvation, to every one that believeth; — and) which brings sure evidence of its truth to the consciences of men. So that in the progress of the present work of God, in the preaching of the gospel to every creature, every eye shall see him, & every soul will have to make its final choice, to be harvested out of the world, gathered to the camp of the saints, & gain that perfect good which the gospel offers them, or resist the call of God; deliberately & willfully choose evil instead of good, & receive for its portion, shame & everlasting contempt, with banishment fromthe presence of God, & from the glory of His Power. The mistaken idea that the second coming of Christ shall be so immediately universal that all will see him at once, probably originated in a misconception of what Jesus himself said. “As the lightning which cometh out of the East, & shineth even unto the West, so shall the coming [the presence] of the Son of man be.” Those acquainted with the original, tell us that the word here translated lightning, signifies not only lightning but any vivid brightness or shining light, as that of a sun, or of a star, lamp, or candle, in which the sense the same is used in other places. The word translated lightning in Matt. 24:27, is in Luke 11:38, rendered bright shining. Thus translated, the word aptly shows the beginning & progress of the work of Christ. As the bright shining, or light of the Sun, cometh out of the East & shineth even to the West, so shall the coming [Greek: “presence”] of the Son of man be: gradual & progressing, till every eye shall see him. Let us inquire who, or what is Christ? Christ is not, & strictly speaking, never was a person. Jesus was anointed with the Holy Ghost & Power of God, by [in] which he went about doing good. This constituted him the Christ, or Anointed of God. The word Christ signifies anointed – Jesus, means Savior. Thus Christ Jesus was the Anointed Savior. Cyrus was the Lord’s Anointed or Christ, for a particular purpose. The church is called the body of Christ, that is, the body of the Anointed; for none can truly belong to the church of Christ, unless they are anointed with the Holy Spirit. We must look then for the second coming of Christ, and his thousand years reign on earth, in spirit, for in no other way will he ever appear. That his second coming has commenced, and that his millennial reign has begun, we are witnesses. And that the present work of Christ will progress & increase till he has put all his enemies under his feet, we have no doubt. “Now has come salvation and strength, & the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His anointed.” The God of heaven, as foreseen by Daniel, is now setting up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor be left to another people: but it shall break in pieces & consume all other kingdoms, & it shall stand forever.” Many in this day, are expecting the Millennium at hand, & some have ventured to say that it begins to dawn. It may be so to them. The signs of the time indicate that a more rapid increase of that work which some know themselves to be in, is not far distant. Tho some in the preparatory work of the millennium & others not so forward as that, do not perceive that the work has commenced, those who are in the work have a sure evidence that it has begun & will progress not only in its subjects, but in many who as yet, know not the great day in which they live. The Prophet Ezekiel had a visionary view of the four dispensations of the grace of God to man, under the similitude of waters which issued from water under the threshold of the Sanctuary. The first 1000 cubits bro’t him thru the waters when they were to the ancles. The next 1000 cubits, bro’t him through the waters to the knees. At the third measurement, the waters were to the loins. At the fourth, the waters had become a river that could not be passed over; they were waters to swim in. The first thousand cubits & waters to the ancles, signified the measure of light given in the Patriarchal Dispensation, directing their feet in the order of the natural state. The second thousand & water to the knees, signifies the increasing light in the Dispensation of the law of Moses’ bending their knees, & directing their walk in such a manner as to figuratively a more perfect, and spiritual work [to come]. The third measure, represents the dispensation of Christ’s first Appearing, when the manifestation of the spirit of God, reached to the loins, and began to point out [draw] the separating line between nature & grace, flesh & spirit. The fourth measure & rise of the waters, typified the Dispensation of Christ’s Second Appearing in spirit & power, when all souls must swim in the waters of the river of life clear of all earthly propensities, [possessions] & attractions, or sink to rise no more. Jesus Christ sometimes spake of the second coming & brot comparisons to show the manner of it. In one place he likens to the time of Noah. “For as in the days that were before the flood, they were eating &drinking, marrying & giving in marriage, till the day that Noah entered into the ark, & knew not till the flood came & took them all away, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.” Noah preacht righteousness, & no doubt faithfully called the generation in which he lived, to repentence. But they regarded him not, & their destruction was the consequence. Daniel foreseeing/predicting the time in which we live, when many shall run to & fro & nolej shall be increast, adds “Many shall be purified, made white & tried, but the wicked shall do wickedly, & none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.” Altho nolej increases in a wonderful manner in this our day, yet none are truly wise, however much their nolej, but those who truly fear God. and all who truly fear God will cease to do evil and learn to do well. It is to the poor in spirit, —those who hunger & thirst after righteousness; the righteousness of God thru Christ, who will receive Christ in his appearing. But the selfwise, selfrighteous & selfexalted, however much they may increase their nolej, will not understand, Ye hypocrites! Ye can discern the face of the sky, but can ye not discern the signs of the times. In another place, Christ compares his coming to that of a thief in the night – suddenly, unexpected & unknown to those who are asleep. He also compared it to a snare, so shall it come upon all the earth. Also to a woman in travail, & they shall not escape. This great Day of the last & final Judgment of God, will assuredly overtake every creature. Every soul will have to see themselves and be seen as they are seen in the site of a Holy God, without any of those deceptiv coverings which men are naturally so fond of. And they will be bro’t to that point that they must rise up in the judgment with God, against sin in themselves, condemn, confess & forake it;—or take part with the enemy of God; knowingly & wilfully cleave to their sins & have their portion with the Devil & his emmissaries. [The final & severest Judge, of each, will be his or her own conscience i.e. the losers]  Christ again compares his work on earth at his second coming to a harvest. “The harvest is the end of the world, & the reapers are the Angels. As therefore the tares are gathered & burned in the fire, so shall it be in the end of the world. The Son of Man shall send forth his Messengers & they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, [stumbling bloks] & them that do lawlessness, & shall cast them into a furnace of fire. There shall be wailing & nashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.” Some may ask what evidence have you that you are in the work of which you speak, & show how you are able to assert with such confidence that the second appearing of Christ, or millennial state has commenced? We answer that not only by prophesies, visions, signs, & other outward evidences, has the work been foreseen & the testimony borne thereto, but by the same sure word of prophesy, the internal witness which every one receives who truly comes into the work. Many who are now subjects of this work, had long & anxiously felt their need of salvation from sin. They sought it earnestly & sincerely in many of the denominations called Christian in the world, but could not obtain it. Their experience and nolej of different sects in the world, enables them to say that the abiding power of salvation is not with any of them. Visiting this people, hearing their testimony, and observing its fruits, they were convinced that the work among the people was the work of God’s salvation & were induced to take the way that they directed, to find the salvation that their souls longed for. Uniting with the work. Uniting with the work, they know that they have found that salvation they never before could obtain. They have a sure internal witness that every step they take in obedience to this testimony, advances them in the work of salvation. Therefore they have the most convincing evidence that Christ has appeared the second time, without sin unto salvation unto them. And as God is no respecter of persons, they are sure that the same will be manifested to all souls in due time, & when thus offerd, they can be made partakers if they will comply with its terms, & that souls would be wise – that they would understand this – that they would accept of repentance & salvation when offerd to them in the Gospel.

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COMMENTS

1. Keep in mind that the Shakers, like NOLR/NAR leaders and their deceived followers, talked with angels. Also, their captive children acted as “instruments” (mediums) for those members who died and gave messages from the other side.

2. Their founders included extensive quotes from Jane Leade and the Philadelphian Society. As documented on this site elsewhere [ http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/the-nars-fairy-godmother-jane-leade-the-philadelphian-society/  ] the Philadelphians embraced the Lurian Kabbalah doctrine of Reincarnation or “Gilgul” as well as the “Repair of the World” or Tikkun Olam. These two occult (hidden) doctrines were christianized by the Philadelphians and subsequently formed the core Dominion/Reconstruction doctrines of the NOLR/NAR that was to be carried out by the “restoration” or reincarnation in historical context of the original apostles and prophets’ souls into the bodies of their genetic (spiritual DNA) descendants.

Dutch Sheets and his wife along with the rest of the NOLR/NAR reincarnated “apostles and prophets” seem to be shifting a lot of gears recently, especially after *ALL* their credibility has finally and forever been thrown out after defending and “restoring” not only the original Kansas City Seven, but now walking disaster Todd Bentley. This is what happens as a result of plagiarizing and re-working false doctrines. $Trillions have been ripped off from Christians since the 1948 North Battleford Revival broke out and morphed into today’s NAR/USAR compound.”

May 30, 2009 - Posted by endtimespropheticwords | Angels, Dominionism, Dutch Sheets, End Times Eschatology, False Prophets, Jane Lead, Kabbalah, Latter Rain, Manifest Sons of God/Manchild, New Apostolic Reformation (NAR), Philadelphian Society, Prophecy, Rapture, Revival, Shakers, signs and wonders | , , | 22 Comments

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  1. Now I understand why Duncan Smith from TACF forbade us to pray to the Father in the Name of Jesus in one of his workshops.
    He kept saying that he had a revelation of the cross:that Jesus,on the cros,was burning in judgemnet for our sins and that we became one with him.Therefore because we were “melted’ with Christ we became one and we no longer can be separated.
    His belief now,is: that since Christ and us are one,we no longer need to pray.We just say “kingdom of God come” because it’s Jesus melted in us that does the work.
    The only tine Jesus said:”Let Your kingdom come” was when He taught the disciples how to pray “Our Father”!
    I know that we are one with Christ but not in thatway they describe it!We are not Jesus!
    Concerning the fact that they deny that Jesus will come exactly as He said He would,I just have 3 words: LIARS and FALSE PROPHETS!

    Comment by My Beloved is Mine and He is Yours too | May 30, 2009

  2. SEPARATION OF RAUNCH AND STATE

    (It’s still legal – and always God-honoring – to air messages like the following. See Ezekiel 3:18-19. In light of government backing of raunchy behavior (such offenders were even executed in early America!), maybe the separation we really need is the “separation of raunch and state”!)

    In Luke 17 in the New Testament, Jesus said that one of the big “signs” that will happen shortly before His return to earth as Judge will be a repeat of the “days of Lot” (see Genesis 19 for details). So gays are actually helping to fulfill this same worldwide “sign” (and making the Bible even more believable!) and thus hurrying up the return of the Judge! They are accomplishing what many preachers haven’t accomplished! Gays couldn’t have accomplished this by just coming out of closets into bedrooms. Instead, they invented new architecture – you know, closets opening on to Main Streets where little kids would be able to watch naked men having sex with each other at festivals in places like San Francisco (where their underground saint – San Andreas – may soon get a big jolt out of what’s going on over his head!). Thanks, gays, for figuring out how to bring back our resurrected Saviour even quicker!

    [If you would care to learn about the depraved human "pigpen" that regularly occurs in Nancy Pelosi's district in California, Google "Zombietime" and click on "Up Your Alley Fair" in the left column. And to think - horrors - that she is only two levels away from being President!]

    (Just spotted the above on the web – Baxter)

    Comment by Baxter | May 30, 2009

  3. Acts 1:9,10,11 amplified

    9. And when He had said this even as they were looking {at Him}, He was caught up, and a cloud received and carried Him away out of their sight.

    10. And while they were gazing intently into heaven as He went, behold, two men {dressed} in white robes suddenly stood beside them,

    11. Who said, Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing into heaven? This same Jesus, Who was caught away and lifted up from among you into heaven, will return in {just} the same way in which you saw Him go into heaven.

    Comment by Canadanorth | May 31, 2009

  4. I’ve often followed St Augustine’s interpretation. It’ quite good, if anyone is interested. See: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf102.iv.XX.6.html (and subsequent chapters)

    God Bless,

    Comment by David Murdoch | May 31, 2009

  5. “Moreover, they secretly (but now more openly) believe the Second Coming per Revelations 1:7 “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him…” as a metaphor for the “Manifest Sons of God” (them) to corporately demonstrate, through [their] signs and wonders that Christ has returned and now resides/taken up residence in their bodies corporately.”

    Acts 1:9,10,11 amplified

    9. And when He had said this even as they were looking {at Him}, He was caught up, and a cloud received and carried Him away out of their sight.

    10. And while they were gazing intently into heaven as He went, behold, two men {dressed} in white robes suddenly stood beside them,

    11. Who said, Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing into heaven? This same Jesus, Who was caught away and lifted up from among you into heaven, will return in {just} the same way in which you saw Him go into heaven.

    Comment by Canadanorth | May 31, 2009

  6. “Moreover, they secretly (but now more openly) believe the Second Coming per Revelations 1:7 “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him…” as a metaphor for the “Manifest Sons of God” (them) to corporately demonstrate, through [their] signs and wonders that Christ has returned and now resides/taken up residence in their bodies corporately.”

    Yesterday I heard James Maloney speak. He gave a testimony about a 14 year old boy he’d prayed for. He said this kid had severely restricted growth – about the height of a seven year old – due to kidney problems.

    - digression -

    He also had diabetes because of the kidney problems – I thought diabetes was a cause of kidney problems, not a symptom. He’d had a transplant, but one of the kidneys wasn’t working – I thought you could live perfectly well on one kidney. I’m highly sceptical of this testimony. Not because I don’t believe God heals – he does, and I’ve seen “creative” miracles – but I just don’t believe James Baloney is telling the truth, or, at the very best, is stretching things. These events alledgedly took place at Living Stones Church, Chicago, Illinois two weeks ago (mid May). Caught on video, “which you’ll be able to find on the web” – though I’ve searched extensively and find nothing.

    - end of digression -

    James had prayed for this kid, and apparently the kid had grown. What’s interesting, given the first quote I made, is that James said something like:

    “As I prayed for him, the spirit of the boy rose up. Then my spirit rose up. Jesus came to me, and I felt myself becoming one with Jesus. “

    Comment by NotAllThere | June 1, 2009

  7. There is a “new” kid on the block in the NARzi camp….

    Rob Rufus of the “New Frontiers International” churches
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    http://pentecostalpostitnotes.blogspot.com/2008/04/prophecy-from-che-ahn-to-todd-bentley.html

    “Very sad to read this and hear of Rob Rufus going after what’s happening in Lakeland – where is his discernment?

    Do your research and read your bibles lest you fall into deception.”
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    http://pentecostalpostitnotes.blogspot.com/2008/07/rob-rufus-on-florida-outpouring-critics.html

    Rob Rufus on the Florida Outpouring Critics
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    http://ncmifringe.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/rob-rufus-on-the-true-church/

    Quote by Rob Rufus:

    “The Church in it’s purest form was birthed by God in a state of supernatural drunkenness, liberty and freedom and they never were more in the plan, will and pattern of God drunk in the Holy Spirit. As the Church got more and more sober and intellectual and cerebral and intellectual, the Church got more and more out of the pattern and the will of God”.”
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    http://www.reachouttrust.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1060&start=30

    Rob Rufus is affiliated with New Frontiers International churches

    http://www.reachouttrust.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=1060&start=30#p38259

    “New Frontiers International & Alpha.
    by Danzo121 » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:40 pm

    I have spent many years in New Frontiers International churches (Notice the small c) and as an Itinerant Evangelist here in the UK and down in southern Spain and Gibraltar have had the joy of equipping many of God’s people to effectively communicate the Gospel, seeing many folk come to Christ and through all my thirty years walking and serving the Lord I have never found such a dangerous pseudo Christian group as NFI, who use heretical and un-Biblical practices (Alpha) to gain decisions for Christ but I have seen only a few real converts, who were mostly saved through the faithful teaching/preaching of another Servant of God outside the NFI Sect.
    My heart goes out to many dear ones I know personally here in my own home town, who claim to have been saved at an Alpha Course but all the leaders can do to Disciple such ones is to molly-coddle them and keep them in a strait jacket attached at the hip to their Cell Group Leader!!! That’s a fact I hasted to add.
    I have campaigned across the world to expose the false prophets of New Frontiers International, including Dave Devonish, Terry Virgo and his high-powered rep Ray Lowe, travelling the world under the misguided idea that he is church planting….
    I am very concerned that such a false Christian Sect should gain any reputation as being Biblically sound, whilst deceiving unsuspecting souls with their use of Gumbel’s corrupt Alpha course, as well as their cultish Dominionistic beliefs!!!

    Hope you’re not an NFI fan Bro?

    Love in Christ
    Dan”
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    Rob Rufus going after Lakeland, associated with the “Alpha course”, New Frontiers International churches, dominionists and making statements like above?

    Heretics of a feather flock together……….

    Comment by UnprofitableServant | June 2, 2009

  8. “As I prayed for him, the spirit of the boy rose up. Then my spirit rose up. Jesus came to me, and I felt myself becoming one with Jesus. “

    That took my breath away. Pretty scary comment from him. James Baloney.

    All these falsies say the strangest things, don’t they? They sound so mystical and enlightened, when really they are just plain stupid. Stupid is as stupid does.

    Comment by M'Kayla | June 2, 2009

  9. Israel to hold massive military exercise

    By Stan Goodenough
    May 29, 2009
    Surrounded by enemies on every side as well as inside their country, Israel will Sunday launch a massive military exercise to help ready the nation for a full-scale war.
    Operation ‘Turning Point 3′ is set to last for five days, and will simulate a simultaneous war against the Hamas in Gaza, the Hizb’allah in Lebanon, the Syrian army, the Palestinian Arabs in Judea and Samaria and Israel’s Arab citizens, who are expected to riot and in other ways assist Israel’s enemies in the case of such a war.
    Israel National News described parts of the exercise, which is intended to test Israel’s preparedness at all levels, from the government down to the citizen in the street. It is also meant to check the coordination between local authorities and the various military and other organizations involved:
    The five-day simulation involves scenarios in which Israel is attacked by first by the Hamas terrorist organization, followed by an escalation which leads to an attack by the Lebanon-based Hizb’allah guerrilla group from the north, joined by Syria. The scenario includes rioting and terror attacks from within by Palestinian Authority Arabs, as well as Israel’s own Arab citizens. Missile attacks on Israel’s civilian population, a 60-day ground war in Gaza and a conflict in the north are all part of the plan, which begins at the end of a three month-long escalation in tensions between Israel and its Arab neighbors. The various scenarios will include a natural disaster, an operational malfunction at a hazardous materials (HazMat) facility and/or an epidemic, in addition to the war and major terror attack.
    Provocative pro-Arab media like Press TV have charged that Israel’s self-defense exercise could “ignite all out regional war.”
    The Lebanese government has put its army on high alert along the border with Israel, and has lodged complaints with the United Nations. Hizb’allah, too, has said it will place its terrorist forces on a ready footing.
    But Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said that the exercise “is a routine drill that was planned several months ago and is held annually.”
    http://www.jnewswire.com/article/2655

    Comment by BRAD | June 3, 2009

  10. How deceived can these amillinialists be..they just type and shadow and metaphor everything. its happening right before their eyes..look at Israel. you know they must have some metaphor for that to. It don’t take a G.E.D to figure the word out just read. just like the pretribers when you read in revelation 4:1 when john was told to come up hither..he was saying john but the pretribers just turn the word around say that means the church…I go to a prayer meeting at an older woman’s house and she is a amillinialist but we don’t get into arguments about eschatology. we got past that but she would say things like Jesus Christ has come in your flesh when it talks about in the word in 1st john 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. now I understand more of 1st cor 13 means when it say we know in part…

    Comment by Byron | June 3, 2009

  11. The amazing thing is, the gospel is so simple, a child can understand it. jesus did not make it difficult:

    In John
    3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
    3:15 That whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.”

    In Matthew
    4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.
    4:24 And His fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto Him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and He healed them.
    4:25 And there followed Him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.”

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    The “gospel” aka god-spell (really is the “evangel” which means “good words” is NOT hard to understand – it is these charlatans who make it out that you need to get “it” from them. For money.

    Comment by Lawrence Luprypa | June 3, 2009

  12. Byron
    Amills believe that when Christ returns it signals the destruction of the heavens and earth, and so a new heaven and earth are created.The overall message of Revelation is one that proclaims Christs victory over satan and that this is a message of hope for all believers.
    The deception that prevails today is that pushed by premills whereby they in effect deny the deity of Christ. As i have mentioned on another thread, the implications for those who hold those beliefs are serious.Interpreting prophecy through world events is not a reliable or sensible way of doing so, the bible is its own interpretor.

    Comment by ray | June 3, 2009

  13. “The overall message of Revelation is one that proclaims Christs victory over satan and that this is a message of hope for all believers.” of course.
    “The deception that prevails today is that pushed by premills whereby they in effect deny the deity of Christ. …Interpreting prophecy through world events is not a reliable or sensible way of doing so, the bible is its own interpretor.”
    Where do you get the idea that premills deny the deity of Jesus? ( btw, be careful – many will agree with the deity of Christ, but disagree with the deity of Jesus ). Not all pre-mills interpret prophecy through world events.

    To my mind, if “Amills believe that when Christ returns it signals the destruction of the heavens and earth, and so a new heaven and earth are created”, then they’ve been applying their worldview and the interpretation invented by their own minds, to scripture. Rather than letting scripture speak for itself.

    Comment by NotAllThere | June 4, 2009

  14. To make it clear. All NAR are premill. Not all premill are NAR. Some premill’s think Hal Lindsey is wrong.

    Before making your judgements, I’d propose reading Pawson’s book “When Jesus Returns”, rather than relying on the narrow teachings of a bunch of american heretics, to determine what the premill position is.

    Comment by NotAllThere | June 4, 2009

  15. NotAllThere

    I dont know who James Maloney is. I dont know if he’s a false prophet or not but false prophets can do genuine miracles in the name of Jesus. To be honest I dont know if he was lying about the boy’s testimony or not. Unbelievers can access the power of God. I know it sounds crazy, but Jesus even said it. I’ll give you a few examples. Do you remember when Jesus said concerning false prophets they will say “Lord Lord didnt we do miracles in your name, and in your name prophesy and cast out demons, and Jesus will say depart from me I never knew you, for you break God’s commandments.” Notice Jesus doesnt say you never did miracles, you never did this or that. He just tells them I never knew you, you worker of iniquity. Here’s another example. When Jesus sent out the 12 disciples to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cast out demons, JUDAS an unbeleiver, was able to do those things as well because of the authority Christ gave them. Now again notice Jesus doesn’t say “now Judas you dont believe I’m the Messiah you can’t go”. Nope he sent his disciples including one UNBELIEVER who performed genuine miracles in Jesus name. Thats why its very very important to NOT follow after signs and wonders because even unbelievers can perform them IN THE NAME OF JESUS. They may deny Jesus as their Lord but they may recognize the POWER behind his name. Demons tremble at his name. God’s Word is a spiritual law. Just like gravity is a natural law, so the word of God is a spiritual law. Whatever God says He means and HE can’t break HIS own word. Its impossible for God to break His word. Take the spiritual law of sowing and reaping for example. If an unbeliever donates to charity or gives his money to the poor, he is going to reap. Just look at the company Walmart who gives back 2 Million dollars a week to the community. Its not because they’re a big company. Its because they understand that when they help others, resources will come back to them. But yet some Christians just dont grasp this concept. They think well that’s “Old Testament.”

    Some people think that a false prophet will do “counterfiet” miracles but not genuine miracles. There are creative miracles done at the hands of false prophets. And when people see a genuine miracle they automatically think “wow this person is a christian who is close to God.” When the fact is, like I mentioned before, “some” miracles are spiritual law. Now I understand that in the last days satan will come and do many “counterfeit” miracles. I dont know if that means genuine miracles with the power of satan or if that means miracles that were faked. I think its the latter because I dont think satan has the ability to heal. It would go against his character because he came to steal, kill and destroy not to heal. There’s no instance in the Bible that I can recall where satan healed a person so I highly doubt he can do that now. So if satan can’t heal a person then how does a false prophet see genuine (real) healings? The mighty name of Jesus.

    Comment by Jesus Heals | June 6, 2009

  16. Satan made Job have sickness as God gave him permission to.If he can make you sick,Satan can surely make you ‘unsick’ ie give the impression of healing.
    Florida was full of these’healings’
    Satan can use temporary healing if it leads you to follow away from Christ
    So many people i know who werer ‘healed’ then got it back again

    Comment by wodadler | June 7, 2009

  17. NotAllThere

    2 Peter 3:10
    But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pas away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and disolved and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.
    since all these things are thus to be disolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of thr day of God,necause of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn!. But according to his promise we are waiting for a new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

    ……………………
    Does his look like my own worldview and an intrpretation of my own mind?.
    This is scripture speaking for itself!

    Comment by ray | June 7, 2009

  18. Wodadler

    “Satan can use temporary healing if it leads you to follow away from Christ”

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    If Christ is the one recieving the glory for the healing how can that lead you away? Following MEN and following SIGNS AND WONDERS, WILL lead you astray but following GOD and his provision will never lead you astray.
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    You also said “So many people i know who werer ‘healed’ then got it back again.”

    I know alot of people who were saved but yet went into the world again.

    Here’s another biblical example of sicknesses coming back AFTER JESUS healed them.

    John 5:14, “Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, LEST A WORSE THING COME UNTO THEE.”

    So there’s some Biblical examples of someone losing their “healing.” God and His Word is awesome.

    Proverbs 3 “Lean not on your own understanding, but Trust GOD in ALL THINGS.

    Comment by Jesus Heals | June 15, 2009

  19. I watched Copeland on tv – he is on 3 diferent channels consecutively here – and he spoke in the 1st person as Jehovah, for about 20 minutes ie “this saith (note the King James English the phony “prophets” use)the Lord”: “you will be admired for all eternity as one of the manifested sons of God, the bright shining ones. Others will say, “Look! There’s one of the Chosen Ones who walked in great glory and spoke face to face with Jesus” etc blah blah at the WoF convention at Southfield, MI /Word of Faith Int’l Christian Center of Southfield, MI.

    A den of vipers. Must of been a thousand sheeple there all sucking on the Copeland teat of poison milk.

    Comment by Lawrence Luprypa | June 19, 2009

  20. ever wondered what would have happened to the church if the 11 believed the women that morning and got up and went to Galilee immediately instead of locking the doors and hiding?It’s simple..”Listen to Him”..until you hear what He is saying and how he is saying it..After all,He did say,that the Father told Him what to say and HOW to say it…anyone who does not listen to Jesus will always end up in the wrong place at the wrong time.Every error you can find in any preacher,doctrine and practice..that is every sin starts when we do not listen to the one we are supposed to.Isreal went astrayed when they did not listen to Moses,and christians of all denoninations go astray when they do not listen to Jesus. When we listen to those who do not listen to Jesus we are led astray..all these falsies are merely descendants of Nicolatians,Balaamites and Jezebellians which Jesus spoke about in His seven letters to the seven churches with a good dose of infection of the yeasts of the Pharisees,Sadduccess and Herodians.”Jesus Heals” comments are interesting,the antichrists according to John came from amongst us and left..so it is no surprise that they left with the gifts of the Holy Spirit and are using them for their own profit,for didn’t Paul say the gifts of God are without repentance? Thank God,Jesus said every blasphemy against the Son of Man will be forgiven of man.Just pray for all these men that the Lord does speak to them presonally like He spoke to James and Saul and corrected them. As for all who think they are zealous for the Lord..just listen to Him and agree with the Holy Spirit,and let Him show you what the real end game is.If you are a brother of Jesus,than are you not also a son? if you can change water to good wine,cause the blind to see,stop freeze an assailant with a word..if supernatural powers reside within you and is available on tap..are you not like a god? If God can trust you with His powers..what has that to do with anyone else..as Jesus said, we should all just follow Him. If only the eleven had believed and gone at the second message from the women instead of locking those doors.They didn’t listen, they didn’t belive they didn’t obey..so here we are.Dr.Ed,manager Holy Spirit’s workshop

    Comment by dr.edmond kwan | June 28, 2009

  21. These are the ones Jesus was talking about when he said : YEA ARE GODS

    John 10
    30I and my Father are one.

    31Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

    32Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

    33The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

    34Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

    35If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

    36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

    Now notice he said “I SAID ye are Gods”?

    When Adam ate of the tree of knowledge what did God say?

    Genesis 3:22
    And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

    Israel was baptized unto Moses:

    1 Corinthians 10
    1Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
    3And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

    They were baptized under the cloud (spirit) and had the word of God (spiritual meat), but they fell because of unbelief.

    These are the ones the word of God came to.

    35If he called them gods, unto WHOM THE WORD OF GOD CAME, and the scripture cannot be broken;

    Now read psalm 82 in context and see what Jesus was talking about those whom the word of God came to (Israel) and why he was saying it to the Pharasees and why he called them Gods and sons of god.

    Psalm 82
    1God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

    2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

    3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

    4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

    5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

    6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

    7But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

    8Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

    Jesus came to judge the earth and inherit the nations. Those who rejected him will go to the pit and die the death of the uncircumcised.

    Jeremiah 9:25
    Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;

    Ezekiel 28:9-11
    9Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

    10Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

    Just because they were baptized by the cloud, it doesn’t mean they remained as Gods. They fell because of unbelief.

    Now think on this parable.

    Matthew 21:38
    But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

    Pharaoh/Satan/Pharsees all desired to seize on Christ inheritance and get the worship and kingom given to Jesus Christ. They wanted to be God, Gods, and sit in his seat of authority.

    In the rebellion of Korah, we see another clue to their rebellion against the authority of God. These all want the preisthood of Christ and God. They want the worship also,and the fame as did the Pharasees, Satan, and Korah, the famous of the congregation.

    Numbers 16:9-11

    9Seemeth it but a small thing unto you, that the God of Israel hath separated you from the congregation of Israel, to bring you near to himself to do the service of the tabernacle of the LORD, and to stand before the congregation to minister unto them?

    10And he hath brought thee near to him, and all thy brethren the sons of Levi with thee: and seek ye the priesthood also?

    11For which cause both thou and all thy company are gathered together against the LORD: and what is Aaron, that ye murmur against him?

    It doesn’t take long to see that believers, the ministers of the Lord have transgressed against the Lords inheritance and throne and authority.

    Not everyone who says, Lord, Lord as you have heard a hundred times.

    These all have transgressed their appointed offices and rebelled just as Lucifer.

    They will all die the death of the uncircumsized “of the heart”.

    Ezekiel 28:2
    Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

    Revelation 15:2
    And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

    This is the seat of the anti-christ, the place of the authority of God in their hearts.

    This is folly among many in the church today doing ministry.

    We are to get “victory” over the mark and over his name in the midst of the seas (nations. These have given their seat to the beast (and themselves), not God.

    Comment by Jerie Quinty | July 5, 2009

  22. What do you all think of this preacher’s message? (He does not believe in the ‘rapture’ teaching) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTi1mlqu8fA

    Comment by justavoice | November 4, 2009


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